You're right. These demonstrations aren't realistic. The ukes go with the joint lock into a throw. In real life when you apply these techniques someone's wrist, elbow or shoulder gets dislocated. It's not gay. Now UFC? Two nearly naked guys putting their hands all over each other? Now THAT's gay.
yea but first someone wouldn't just run at you they would punch or kick you maby knee or elbow clinch or takedown an second this is coreographed (don't know spelling sorry)
WAT some one deleted my comment.geez im just saying this i have 2 black belts .1 in bbj and 1 in northern eagle kung fu.I respect all arts ,but some are for show and you will never see them in the ring or street.
Aikido=the worst martial arts ever.The spiritual purpose is on top,but for fights hellll no.Thats the reason you have never seen a Aikido fight online.if anyone can contest this please i beg u message me.thanks.btw i been in MA for 10 years now!
i used aikido in undergound fighting competitions and have been very succesfull because what you see in all this demos on the tube is not whats happens when you take the art to the streets.of course you have to complement the art whit your own style off punshes and kicks.but after a beating from me your elbows never going to be the same that the were before.many off my opponents may never gona be able fight again. aikido attacks the joints. and finnishing fighst quickly.
good point. this was pretty shit, but still i am a big aikido fan. I think there should be more training against punches in aikido, to properly defend yourself
Right to the point, kayser152 :) But, honestly... I wouldn't really like it... it would make me a bullshitter like these losers are... and I like to think of myself as a serious fighter.
being able to defend yourself in a fight like aiikido teaches you to do would win you more respect than being a macho fighter. If anyone thinks it would not work i a real fight are kidding themselves.
I agree. It definitely works. You just have to be committed and focused. If you disagree with me. Try this drill, whatever style you are. Do not kick, do not punch, do not even think of kicking or punching. Just think of avoiding your opponents kicks and punches. This does not mean block...AVOID! Stay loose and limber. Do not have thoughts of hurting your opponent at all. Now, tell me? Was it easy to avoid your opponent? I bet it was much easier, wasn't it?
Agree with you..except the fuck in the ass part. In a real fight you don't go in with straight punches like these guys do...in fact many fights end up on the ground regardless of skill...
This is fake. The opponents are just running up to him like they're waiting to be taken down. Any martial art can shown just as demonstration such as this.
They were among those who rejected BJJ and MMA. Why? It's just "not what we do." Well maybe they should start. Dan Inasanto was doing BJJ before the first UFC. He got into some big hassle with some of Bruce Lee's ex-students because they said he did do "Jeet Kun-Do." But it's a philosophy not a set of techniques. If you want something to evolve, you have be careful with the cult of personality surrounding the founder. If not, you have different groups of people arguing what he would have done.
In the 80's, when I was doing Tang Soo Do, which I still do cause it's fun, there was never a consideration of fighting on the ground, fighting in a clinch or anything like that. The same school did Japanese ju-jitsu, and it Aikido influenced because a couple of the head instructors took Aikido. I don't teach at that same school anymore, but I keep in touch with them and they still do the exact same thing they did back in the 80's. They may have changed a couple things, but not many.
But I tapped them several times. One guy who was a black belt in Aikido kept trying to do a wristlock while he was in my guard. So if you live in the DC area, or you're ever here, this is an invitation for an experiment. And since you say Aikido isn't a sport, then we can make the "rules" as open as you want them. I'm sure you'll think of something to keep living your fantasy. You've already told me you can "pounce" and you're "aware of intent." Shit, I'm fighting a mind-reading leopard.
Your problem is the false association of sparring with reality self-defense.
Aikido wasn't built for such conditions and it won't work competitively.
People taught reality self-defense systems won't spar with you either. That's not why they take those systems. They're not competitive athletes, they're regular folk who aim to protect themselves from reality attackers quickly and efficiently.
Aikido principles/footwork play well with such systems. They don't play well with the ring.
The problem with almost every traditional martial art is that they don't give the attacker credit for having a brain. Every one of the attackers here overcommitts and then poses. And Aikido "supposes" an attack like most other Japanese ju-jitsu schools. Except Judo. That's why the Kodakan took every one of them out in the 1880s. And Daito Ryu ju-jitsu was around then. You ever try to put a wrist lock on someone who was resisting? They just rip the hand away unless they're drunk.
All techniques ending in a wristlock start with atemi to attacker, taking attacker's entire balance through large joint manipulation, and while he's off-balance, finishing with the lock.
It's not vital, though. At that point the finish could be simply smashing their face into a wall.
If you think a wristlock can ever be "put" on someone, or that such is the approach of these martial arts, then you don't understand Daito Ryu and you definitely don't understand Aikido.
I remember going to a "Ju-jitsu America" convention more than 10 years ago now. I was watching a Daito Ryu demo with Wily Cahill, the US Olypmic Judo coach in 76. He was shaking his head at them. Take a look at the tall guy on the right in this video at about 6 or 7 seconds in, he does the classic "one-step" punch. I've never seen anyone try to attack anyone like that in the street or competition. The problem is that the art doesn't understand the mechanics of real combat.
And what I mean by that is that nobody leaves their arm out. THEY PULL THE ARM BACK AS FAST AS IT GOES OUT. Because of this, there is no simply putting someone in a lock as is shown, nor is there simply taking someone's balance and smashing their head into a wall.
I did traditional ju-jitsu for years before starting BJJ and Judo. I'm not being mean, but I can't tell you how many friends of mine I've dissappointed when their techniques didn't work. Took me a while too.....
There's more to advanced Aikido than overexaggerated attacks. Aikido works just fine when the arm is withdrawn and attacker keeps it close to their body. It really stops mattering once you understand the principles instead of locking your brain into "trying" to "do" a "technique" "on" someone.
The quotes are there on purpose, as this is a very common misconception for many Aikido practitioners.
Once you internalize principles of Aikido, it becomes easy to apply to reality attacks, when you're not willing to play the attacker's game, there's no mats, no ring, few-seconds time window, and rough ground/walls/weapon potential.
For the ring, that's another story, but that's not what Aikido is about.
If you look closely you'll see that even mainstream Aikido practices the very common grab n' punch street attacks on the receiving end of which I've found myself more than once in real life.
If you spend you time training practicing stuff that never happens, it leaves less time to practice stuff that does.
"Aikido" works fine when the attacker keeps his arm close to the body? I've never seen any Aikido practitioner, or any traditional martial artist do a pummeling drill such as that in done in wrestling or Thai Boxing. Tell me what the principles are in close quarters? Are they different than when the opponent is further away? You're trying to sell Aikido to yourself and...
The rest of us. In fact, there are a set of principles that govern what you should do and it all depends on what the opponent does. Movements and techniques. There are different options, some can be strikes, some joint locks, some takedowns and control. All of it relies on not getting hit. This guy has his hands down the entire time. What's more important is practicing as much as possible what a real opponent will do. There is nothing real about most attack scenarios in traditional arts.
Your last sentence is a grossly inaccurate generalization. As for multiple attacker drills, why don't you try some at realtime speed, with 3-4 guys coming at you simultaneously, and see what matters more - your guard stance or your strong moving posture+footwork together.
You may be surprised at what you will find to be effective as result of that drill.
The problem with this (and every other Aikido or traditional martial I see or have done) isn't the speed, it's the stupidity it supposes on the attackers.
Have you ever, at any time, tried a grappling match against a judo or BJJ player? Have you ever tried a grappling match against a wrestler? And don't tell me Aikido isn't for competition. I didn't ask about competition. I'm talking about seeing if your techniques work against a fully resisting opponent to further the art, not to win a trophy
I've done Judo randori. Mind you I was 4th kyu at the time and the guy was about the same rank in Judo. Even though I did not use strikes, which are necessary with combat Aikido, I got him into supinating wristlock, which is against Judo rules, yet is one of the essential Aikido/police techniques for reducing size dependency between participants.
However, in reality he would've gotten hit in the face the moment he went for the grab. I also used ikkyo in real life on someone who tried to box me.
As his fists went up, I closed distance quickly and made contact, he tried to punch me, but sent himself stumbling backwards instead, because that energy was returned to him via ikkyo.
We don't do boxing drills because Aikido isn't boxing. It would be incredibly stupid to engage someone in a game at which they're better than you.
As for the principles in close quarters, they remain the same. When you're still attached to how technique looks, as opposed to how it feels, you will not be able to do it.
Ikkyo, for example can be applied to someone in a boxing stance just fine, depending on circumstances, among a couple of other approaches. Elbow down and tight ? Doesn't matter.
No wristlock or armlock works unless you can grab something on the arm or the hand. So you're telling me that when someone throws a jab or a cross you can grab the wrist every time? That's all you need? You're dreaming, like the guy in this demo. Get your hands up when you fight or you get hit in the face. Is that a principle of Aikido? If not, then someone forgot something.
Grabbing the wrist when someone throws a jab ? Not only I never said this, you apparently ignored 80% of what I said up to this point.
As not to make this into a pissfest, I'll humor you with a serious reply. An armlock works fine if you can lock the arm. If you go into a boxing stance, I can pounce, tie up your wrists just for the 0.3 seconds it takes me to smash your throat with my elbow, grab the opposite shoulder and trip you over my leg which is behind you.
There's where the problem is. What is the opponent doing when you're "pouncing?" What the hell is pouncing anyway? Are you a leopard?
If you're smashing someone's throat with an elbow, then you might as well practice throwing elbows like MMA. I know you'll say that MMA is a sport, but you don't seem to get that the hard part isn't hitting the throat, but landing the elbow. When I go into my "boxing stance" and you do what you say up there, my response is "wow, that guy moves like a leoapard"
You can't back up to relinquish your space as fast as I press forward. It's simple reality, try it sometime.
This differential in speed is enough to maintain control for the one-tick motion, but of course training is needed to put body weight and speed behind it at the same time.
If, instead of backing up, you try to sidestep it only opens your side for me to do the throw faster.
Not that I will convince you. Just another day at work, arguing with someone on Youtube...
This isn't a "challenge" but where do you live? I live in the Washington DC area. I've been doing martial arts for a long time. When I started, there was no UFC, MMA, there was no BJJ instruction in the US. I did Tang Soo Do, and Japanese Ju-jitsu.
I have lots of friends that are black belts in different styles of Japanese ju-jitsu, and I have friends that are black belts in Aikido. When I started taking BJJ I rolled with alot of them and never came close to tapping....
Why did your friends compete in BJJ without knowing the BJJ game ? They're odd.
You mock "awareness" but I can read you well.
You take my words as an affront to yourself, and keep peppering your replies with personal attacks.
My not insulting you back creates a visible contrast. You can now see that this behavior is unbecoming of you, but you can't control yourself. This upsets you even more.
However, I can control myself, and whether this goes any further. It won't. Good luck and God bless.
My friends thought that what they were doing would work. This was a while ago, maybe 7 years.
My "problem" with traditional arts is that they cocoon themselves instead of inviting new information. I had a buddy that knew about the Gracies back in the late 80's. He had gone to their seminars and told me about them. He was a Wally Jay student. When the UFC first started in '93, I saw it and knew that it was something completely missing from my training....
But most, not all, but most of the people I trained with at the time dismissed it. I guess it didn't help, and maybe it still doesn't that the Gracies were arrogant too, but so were (and still are) traditionalists. 16 years later, some have come around, some haven't. My frustration comes from dealing with close-minded people for 16 years. Now, I'm the one that's come to this forum, so I wasn't forced to bring this to you, but as a long time instructor, I just got sick of the fantasies.
The problem with Aikido demonstrations is that you get this old man who has ukes grab both his hands, and he "throws" them. It's a beginner training exercise, not a technique, yet you have Nth dans performing it on video. Aiki Expo is full of "dance poets" relying on custom-trained ukes. Such bullshit dilutes the real applicable principles of Aikido - the cutting art. Look up articles by Henry Ellis on what Aikido used to be before the new-age hippies started imitating old O Sensei.
I completely agree. Aikido has been watered down to a peaceful form of "self defense," but it looks more like ballet sometimes. I have trained for 5 years in Tenshin Aikido, but I think the real difference is the way we trained. We'd attack each other in the same way we're getting attacked on the street. Not like these Karate punches. We'd punch each other in the face, fight for our lives, and everything in between. Aikido, to us at least, wasn't about grace and flow, it's about surviving.
Its important to balance the "realism" so that it doesn't take the "Aiki" out of one's Aikido.
Aikido's movement is graceful not by purpose, but due to its alignment with natural laws. In order to learn how to move like this, regular training with stylized attacks is extremely important.
However I do expect MULTIPLE DEGREE BLACKBELTS to work with real street attacks in demonstrations, as well as unrehearsed ukes from other Aiki branches.
i do agree that it's not aikido without the aiki. I just hate seeing these cautious ukes giving their sensei a break cuz he's giving a demo. When I was training constantly, we had a standing bet going with all of the students. If any of us could hit our sensei while he was demonstrating technique, we'd get 100 bucks. You can bet that I always tried my hardest to whoop his fuckin ass, every chance I got, even in demonstrations. That only makes our technique better. I never was able to hit him.
Yep, even stylized attacks have to be sincere. If someone doesn't move, you should be able to hurt them with tsuki or shomen/yokomen attacks.
Otherwise, you're learning incorrect feel for energy and distancing. This seems very common in Aikido dojos, at least ones that make it to TV.
Usually comparisons to Yoga abound from the commentator while some touchie-feelie hippies ballet-dance in background. That's the retarded demo they usually have for TV. It makes me sick.
My problem with traditional arts is that nobody follows the founder's teachings. O Sensei said that Aikido should always change. He said not to get caught up in appearance of technique as it will continue to evolve. He also said that he looked back and saw no one following his path.
The only person I've seen evolve Aikido up to this point was Steven Seagal, and coincidentally, he repeated much of the path O Sensei took when developing it.
In a vain attempt to not play along with your attempts to start a pissfest, I'll give you a serious reply once more.
I've seized "boxing guard" hands before. Aikido is a Budo, it is not made for the ring with a referee and a bell. One of the things it teaches is awareness of people's intent in everyday life.
As I see boxing stance go up, I enter and tie the arms. That, throat strike, shoulder grab and sweep are ONE continuous, quick, straight move. It's called martial arts for a reason. Peace
So before I leave for the day, I'm sure I'll never meet you, but the fallacy with what you're saying is all in "as I see boxing stance go up, I enter and tie the arms." No, wristlock boy, you don't, unless someone just lets you. I guess you could do it if they were waving hello, but since you can read minds you wouldn't do that.
IF you can "enter and tie the arms" yeah, you'll take the opponent out. That must have been what I was doing wrong in that match with Anderson Silva. Damn.
Again, 80% of what I said conveniently went over your head.
The opening is when the opponent's arms are going up, not when they're already up. You can't seize them in the ring, because when the match starts they're already up, as you're both playing the same game.
Real life is not a game. When someone attacks in real life, they don't "box" or "grapple", their attack is quick, sincere and powerful. I've been on receiving end of that many times.
Gotta love noobs when they talk like they are street wise and make up bullshit to make them sound like they know what they are talking about when in reality the only MA they know is the art of turning pages in a book or watching too much crap on youtube. They start preaching they know everything about a "real" fight it makes me laugh and they are just out to troll. You are so transparent cypsation that you have no argument, noob.
The day I decided that Aikido wont make me invicible was the day I was able to study the truth about it. Once you let go of that your mind stops questioning "would this or that work in a real situation" and instead you begin to learn the principle behind the technique. You begin to say "Sure nobody is going to attack you like that, but what am I actually trying to learn here, what is the principle behind this?" This is what one has to do in order to learn Aikido and this is a big step believe me
before they hit you which is impossible. So whats wrong with just studying one art? Id rather be a master of one than a jack of all trades and master of none, but then thats just me. I do MA for a lot of reasons, wanting to be invicible is not one of them.
on the net and there is also some great awesome shit too. I just dont agree with ppl when they judge something just by looking at it on youtube and say that wouldnt work in reality when in reality, Aikido just wouldnt look like that thats all but it would be more devastating.
Most of the moves not very useful? In terms of what, Cagefighting? You obviously dont know that Aikido has some pretty devastating techniques that if done with the intent to harm, will kill somebody. People are so easy to brush Aikido aside because all they watch is MMA on youTube. The funny thing is Id love to see you get onto the mats with a 5th Dan Aikidoka and then say "Aikido is not very useful". Yeah cause you wouldn't.
Yeah but most combat training systems ie Police force, Security training and Army teach jujitsu and all Aikido is is Jujitsu without the killing blows. Learning Aikido doesnt mean you cant use the killing blows, Aikido just teaches you theres another way, a harder way.
Look at this video, sure he isnt doing much the the guys but think about it for a second. 3 guys attacking one, I dont think a jujitsu guy who wants to end up grappling on the ground is going to survive 3 men on top of him. So its best to stay on your feet blending with their movement as one movement not 3. At any time then he can dispatch one person at time with a severe technique to put them out.
Your aboslutly right a jiu jitsu guy wouldn't want to be on the ground against 3 attackers, but here in the real world when people attack you they generally don't rush at you with outstretched arms and role with your throws. You might be able to get a way with one throw against a completely amatuer opponent that has no martial arts training what so ever, but against people that know what they're doing you have no realistic chance of utilizing aikido on them.
Yeah but this is a demonstration. If it was a Dan grading then maybe the attacks would be harder. When you say against ppl that know what they are doing you couldnt use Aikido, which part of Aikido are you referring to? Theres the pretty demonstration Aikido that everybody poohoos, which I assume you are talking about, and then theres the street Aikido that doesnt look pretty and can break bones and cause loss of life which everybody forgets exists. I agree that there is a lot of shit Aikido
fair enough, but like any martial art you can't just study one. If you try and utilize aikido against somebody who has the slightest boxing skills, it wouldn't turn out well for the aikido guy. Alternatly if you're defending against attackers that have no combat training, or attempt to grab you in some way i could see how aikido could be useful.
Yes, now we are getting somewhere. So at a basic level Aikido training relies on big, exaggerated, lunging attacks. At a more advanced level where you face off against a trained opponent, thats where it relies more on being able to draw the attacker in so theres a lot of retreating in order to enter if you get my drift. Remember also no MA makes you invincible, neither does knowing several, consider somebody shooting you from a distance. Theres no defence against that unless you can see bullets
Dont forget they "role[roll] with your[the] throws" or else many bones would get broken. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a part of this art is learning how to fall.
Of course you are right, but my point is that in aikido you train for attacks that no one will ever attack you with unless they are totally useless and have no clue how to fight. You will never ever ever catch a punch from somebody who knows how to throw a punch, i don't care if your an aikido master, it won't happen. Theres also a reason why there are no aikido competitions, because when you actually fight someone they either start swinging or clinche with you.
Yeah but how many trained fighters go out there to break the law? Compared to your standard criminal, fuck all would be trained fighters, most are gunna be bar brawlers or hoodlums who think they know how to fight but would just go into a fight swinging arms. Thats the reality on the street IMO. Also Aikido is not just about trying to catch punches, thats just a shallow view and if thats all you see then your a noob and have absolutely no idea whatsoever.
if you have never been in a fight your entire life and have trained aikido for 20 years you will absolutly get your ass kicked, especially by bar room brawlers. If you weren't such a noob you would know that. No amount of aikido training will ever prepare you for a bar fight. I have never seen any aikido techniques utlized from a clinche position, like judo which is actually effective or wrestling. I would say 80% of all street fights end up in a clinche or on the ground. Thats reality
oh yeah an good luck trying to fight someone with a martial art that virtually has no strikes, you're living in a dream world bud, and you've obviously never been in a bar fight, or any fight for that matter.
ROFL yeah and if I had one leg and partially blind I probably would too. Although I would have to say someone who has had no fighting experience except 20 years Aikido would kick your arse from here to Africa. Have you ever seen a boxer or Karateka fight from a clinche position or on the ground? Yeah they probably fight for their lives and bite your ears off and head butt your face just like an Aikidoka would you tosser. Thats reality.
No strikes? half of Aikido is from grabs you idiot .
You obviously prefer the "lets lie down on the ground together and fight this out" approach like animals do. Im prefer the more civilised approach and stand while Im fighting. Thats reality.
well obviously i wouldn't want a street fight to go to the ground especially against multiple attackers, but thats reality people instinctivly clinche and attempt to wrestle each other to the ground its human nature. No aikido training mimics reality.
ive never picked a fight in my life, but beleive me when i say this, the first time you get into a real bar fight you will realize the foley of your ways..... end transmition.
Dude, I have been in fights and at the end of the day its all about instinct. If I have to bite a guys ear off I will who cares that it isnt Aikido. I train in Aikido because it sharpens my reflexes and gives me options but im not bound to any rules buddy.
and im pretty sure you've never used an aikido technique in a fight. and its obvious to everyone who will read you comments that you have never been in a fight, because you would have realized a long time ago the aikido is useless.
Hey man i'm just trying to save you from an ass beating thats all. If you don't want to take the word of someone whos been there and has studied various martial arts for almost 20 years than don't. I'm not saying aikido techniques don't work, i'm just saying in a real fight against a tough opponent you will not be able to use aikido, you'll take one punch to the face and forget every technique you've ever learned, and one you experience a real fight you will learn that.
Hey man, thanks I really dont need your advise coming from somebody who has never been in a fight. All the book studying you have been doing amounts to nothing IMO. Like I said before, Ive been in "real" and my Aikido has come in real handy even when I have been hit in the head. Most punches to the head are glancing blows and after many years training dont affect technique at all. But then you wouldnt know that bookworm.
first of all...90% of the people on the street have only their numbers as an advantage. i mean how many bad a**es do you see just hanging around by themselves? the real punks are in groups.
second, everyone says if you get hit in head, if you get hit in the head. what YOU need to know is IF YOU CAN HIT SOMEONE IN THE HEAD...hitting with accuracy requires training!
if you were to group the trained in any art and the untrained who the hello do you think is gonna sweep. don't be silly.
comming from the guy who has obviously never been in a fight. If you have ever been in a fight or have ever trained full contact then you would understand why people say "if you get hit in the head". An Aikido guy who does not train full contact or has never been punched in the face in his life, will most definatly take a punch and then forget every technique he has ever learned. If your not use to taking punched you will get your ass kick i dont care who you are. So you need to get real.
cypsation you fake arse, let me tell you one or two things about Aikido you obviously dont know about. Firstly, me personally, have been hit in the head while training, and yes it does hurt but this is all part of the conditioning. The truth of it is, once you get over the shock the pain is irrelevant. Aikido training attempts to simulate full force attack and if you dont move you will get hit even though normally it is a single attack.
Theres no point arguing with you because firstly you do not know how to listen and secondly you choose not to believe anything i say so whats the point? You are just hell bent on sticking to your own uninformed opinion and though you have one or two valid points (and thats stretching it) you still dont listen.
ROFL, firstly I didnt say I was a 5th Dan but to get there would take about about 15 years training 4-5 hours a day going by one of my sensei's. So to even say a blue belt in BJJ would give them a run for money is just taking the piss.
Aikido reminds me of ballet. It takes years to master. It's all about perfect timing and angles and it is beautiful to watch, especially when you've been on the recieving end and can respect it. This isn't even that great of a demo, but it's still pretty cool. It's better than watching "MMA" athletes exchanging sloppy punches and kicks. I'm pretty sure traditional Jiujitsu practitioners also wear those "dresses."
The Americans around here...please shut the fuck up......americans dont know how to fight......if you wana a real fight come to football match in europe and fight a hooligan...... mma is for sysy`s........hooliganism is for the real badass mothafuckers.......is like you fucks trying to fight the SWAT teams fuckers
MMA is for sissy's? Mixed Martial Artists are the most talented fighters out there. They get in the ring and actually fight.
In Aikido they wear dresses and run at each other while staring at the ground, sticking their arms straight out and yelling. They just pretend to fight. They're the real sissy's.
lol aikido is fun to watch but most of the moves are not very useful...a friend of mine is a black belt and his disarming techniques are amazing but overall his grappling isnt that good
WTF is this horse shit? MMA ruined the credibility of this kind of movie/hollywood style garbage. Put this toad in with Gracie and he would piss himself just before going to sleep from a rear naked choke.
you'r an idiot aren't u? this is an art, MMA is a VA figthing style including aikido..if you knew something about aikido or any ai ki art you would know and wouldn't talk about it like that....
Shut the fuck up you fag. I know plenty about martial arts cock sucker. Fucking ass wanker goes around calling people ignorant because you don't like what they say. Your apology is in my sack! Come suck it out you bitch!
cool! my friend has 20 years of trainig! he can catch your hand so fast and move you out of the way like a paper! and its really painful if he locks something! I do muythai and karate but now Im looking into aikido or jujitsu! since I live in japan now! keep up the good traing and remember respect is number 1 nometter how strong you are! there is alway someone stronger or better!
thats why you are usless! I also have guns, and I did my training with guns! by the time you pulll your gun I will be already watching the news drinking some milk!
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haha I've been in more street fights than you could ever be in and survive. I'm not fat at all. What you got something against fat people? Haha you are pathetic.
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haha no I am not from England, plus it is americans who have that reputation. You are sad and pathetic. In combat, Id mush your face just like every other clown who thought he was tough. To be honest you must be fucking retarded. And I am not fat. You must be a skinny little toothpick man from mexico eating beans and spicy rice...pfft go shit a liquid ass storm and shut the fuck up.
pathetic, go get a girlfriend...ohhh wait you have never had one because judging by the way your mind works you cant hold a real conversation for SHIT.
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I do work with mentally handicap people but you have no hope! born an idiot die like one! huashushaushaushauhsuahsuahsuahsuahushaushuahsuahsuahsuahsuah
I must of hit a nerve fatass!smart enough!? lets see if you are smart! Eres un puto ke chupa guevos todos los dias y le gusta comer verga de burro todas las noche! marrano gordo como marrano! youare probably gonna translate using the web! so here we go agai! omae bakdaro, omae nanimo shiranai kuchi dake akeru! antama no naka unko dake haiteru! omae shineba ii bebu debu debu! omae wa tomoodachi nai dakara zuto ore no mail suru desho! choto soto ike omae
moshi soto itara tabun yaseru! fatasssssss! dakara kono baka no hito shineba ii! ouch ouch ouch! go eat more cake cause you just got owend by Evil Nation INC. now I must go pick up my girlfriend and go buy the new sony HDR-SR12 on my mercedes kompressor have a nice fatasss dream you ignorant under educated fool! working at the gas stand! netx time I will give you a tip maybe 100 bucks after I wipe my ass with it! you can not your ass is too large!!! you need a carpet!
haha i am 100 times smarter than your dumb ass will ever be...again trying to claim some knowledge by speaking in another language. HAHA The fact that you understand another language does not make you smarter and the fact that you think it does....well makes you an idiot. Anymore bright messages shit for brians? Plus I have more education than you as well.....you live in mexico.......terrible education.
I do agree... That was a stupid comment. But that does not mean I'm saying anything bad about street fights, or akido. But CC needs to read what he said.
Morihei Ueshiba would kick your ass for this horrile music and this lake of elegance !
lepivert 11 months ago
You're right. These demonstrations aren't realistic. The ukes go with the joint lock into a throw. In real life when you apply these techniques someone's wrist, elbow or shoulder gets dislocated. It's not gay. Now UFC? Two nearly naked guys putting their hands all over each other? Now THAT's gay.
kempoka755 2 years ago 2
aikido is one of the most effective martial arts against choreographed punches LOL i win
jeepdude770 2 years ago 8
My thoughts exactly
alin1975 2 years ago
this is retard,, LALALALALALAL
kingzor123 2 years ago
yea but first someone wouldn't just run at you they would punch or kick you maby knee or elbow clinch or takedown an second this is coreographed (don't know spelling sorry)
duff835 2 years ago
It's easy to avoid punches when people aren't trying to hit you. Soooo GAY!
jb69636 2 years ago 2
Excellent short clip. Always wanted to see this style at work against a puncher...even three.
norm58 2 years ago
It's the shell game, you know like in NY?
JeffreyJamesLippold 2 years ago
wtf is this... LOL
ExpressInside 2 years ago
"muay thai"
b9brap123 2 years ago
"aikido"???
purekel 2 years ago
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taichicraig 2 years ago
WAT some one deleted my comment.geez im just saying this i have 2 black belts .1 in bbj and 1 in northern eagle kung fu.I respect all arts ,but some are for show and you will never see them in the ring or street.
taichicraig 2 years ago
Aikido=the worst martial arts ever.The spiritual purpose is on top,but for fights hellll no.Thats the reason you have never seen a Aikido fight online.if anyone can contest this please i beg u message me.thanks.btw i been in MA for 10 years now!
taichicraig 2 years ago
okay then i'd like to see you go up against an 8th dan in aikido, he'll sort you out lol
schumm122 2 years ago 3
i used aikido in undergound fighting competitions and have been very succesfull because what you see in all this demos on the tube is not whats happens when you take the art to the streets.of course you have to complement the art whit your own style off punshes and kicks.but after a beating from me your elbows never going to be the same that the were before.many off my opponents may never gona be able fight again. aikido attacks the joints. and finnishing fighst quickly.
zipfer99 2 years ago
I would love to be a sensei in a school in which all of my students fall down in a choreographed session to show people how tough I really am..
kayser152 2 years ago 2
good point. this was pretty shit, but still i am a big aikido fan. I think there should be more training against punches in aikido, to properly defend yourself
lukevacancy 2 years ago
lol hah ah ah lol thats soo funny dude that can be my new dream lol
DrummerofRock1234 2 years ago
lol. If they are that good get masters of each martial arts to fight them?
vxSMOKEYxv 2 years ago
lol you say that now behind your computer i would love to see you approach him and start shit with him
Lbdataz1469 2 years ago
I get your point, but I see this video a lot more real and doing some real action than many other aikido videos
xverxverxverga 2 years ago
Right to the point, kayser152 :) But, honestly... I wouldn't really like it... it would make me a bullshitter like these losers are... and I like to think of myself as a serious fighter.
PanicusVulgaris 2 years ago
being able to defend yourself in a fight like aiikido teaches you to do would win you more respect than being a macho fighter. If anyone thinks it would not work i a real fight are kidding themselves.
raff23 2 years ago 2
I agree. It definitely works. You just have to be committed and focused. If you disagree with me. Try this drill, whatever style you are. Do not kick, do not punch, do not even think of kicking or punching. Just think of avoiding your opponents kicks and punches. This does not mean block...AVOID! Stay loose and limber. Do not have thoughts of hurting your opponent at all. Now, tell me? Was it easy to avoid your opponent? I bet it was much easier, wasn't it?
JeffreyJamesLippold 2 years ago
lol, I agree with you, but nobodys gonna run out and look for someone to fight!!
GavNugent1 2 years ago
it was easy to jizz on your moms boobs your comment is gay
jeepdude770 2 years ago
this is the biggest bullshit martial arts ever! mma guys would fuck everyone of these dudes in the ass!
keggerous 2 years ago
why fuck them in the ass?
FlippyJoJo 2 years ago 4
its demeaning
keggerous 2 years ago 5
haha joker
theicemanmacky 2 years ago
...and a guy with a weapon will fuck every mma guy in the ass! (using your "logic")
All martial arts effectiveness depends on it's purpose and the situation.
Sk41m4n 2 years ago
weapons arent included in hand to hand. and even with a weapon i bet a mma fighter would woop a normal dudes ass. and these fake ass ninja guys.
keggerous 2 years ago
Agree with you..except the fuck in the ass part. In a real fight you don't go in with straight punches like these guys do...in fact many fights end up on the ground regardless of skill...
689433 2 years ago
That's in a fight between two skilled fighters.
in a fight with multiple attackers you don't want to go on the ground
ProfessorOhms 2 years ago
That don't make any sense to me that the Aikido which was created to be a real budo is now no more than a ballet ...
What's the point in training so many years to be only a good actor ?
AbrogatingIslam 2 years ago
女人武功
guanlei2007 2 years ago
This is fake. The opponents are just running up to him like they're waiting to be taken down. Any martial art can shown just as demonstration such as this.
rockafelladw 2 years ago
rockafelladw, i dont see why you got thumbs down for your comment. thats a pretty accurate description of the video and a pretty realistic statement.
TapoutORPassout12345 2 years ago
rockafelladw..you are so astute. We need more stutes, keep it up
Toophless1 2 years ago
MULTIKILL
FlashFireSix 2 years ago
"Grab ur pard'ner round and round! Do-see-doh!!!" lol
saywatThafuckiwant 2 years ago
yes yes real life my ass!no one would attack someone like that lol
pinwbafous 2 years ago
hes makin fools out of them XD
leoc5 2 years ago
That looks like a fun game! :D
Some nice movement. What do you mean by 'real' though? I guess I didn't see any CGI....
deadlypalms 2 years ago
Falcon PUUUUUUUNNNNNNCH!!!
anikinippon 2 years ago
They were among those who rejected BJJ and MMA. Why? It's just "not what we do." Well maybe they should start. Dan Inasanto was doing BJJ before the first UFC. He got into some big hassle with some of Bruce Lee's ex-students because they said he did do "Jeet Kun-Do." But it's a philosophy not a set of techniques. If you want something to evolve, you have be careful with the cult of personality surrounding the founder. If not, you have different groups of people arguing what he would have done.
bwelc00 2 years ago
In the 80's, when I was doing Tang Soo Do, which I still do cause it's fun, there was never a consideration of fighting on the ground, fighting in a clinch or anything like that. The same school did Japanese ju-jitsu, and it Aikido influenced because a couple of the head instructors took Aikido. I don't teach at that same school anymore, but I keep in touch with them and they still do the exact same thing they did back in the 80's. They may have changed a couple things, but not many.
bwelc00 2 years ago
But I tapped them several times. One guy who was a black belt in Aikido kept trying to do a wristlock while he was in my guard. So if you live in the DC area, or you're ever here, this is an invitation for an experiment. And since you say Aikido isn't a sport, then we can make the "rules" as open as you want them. I'm sure you'll think of something to keep living your fantasy. You've already told me you can "pounce" and you're "aware of intent." Shit, I'm fighting a mind-reading leopard.
bwelc00 2 years ago
Your problem is the false association of sparring with reality self-defense.
Aikido wasn't built for such conditions and it won't work competitively.
People taught reality self-defense systems won't spar with you either. That's not why they take those systems. They're not competitive athletes, they're regular folk who aim to protect themselves from reality attackers quickly and efficiently.
Aikido principles/footwork play well with such systems. They don't play well with the ring.
shihonage 2 years ago
The 3 stooges attacking...
phys1c 2 years ago
Do those situations occur? Yeah, but the other guy either has to be drunk or a really bad fighter that would way overcommitt to any one attack.
bwelc00 2 years ago
The problem with almost every traditional martial art is that they don't give the attacker credit for having a brain. Every one of the attackers here overcommitts and then poses. And Aikido "supposes" an attack like most other Japanese ju-jitsu schools. Except Judo. That's why the Kodakan took every one of them out in the 1880s. And Daito Ryu ju-jitsu was around then. You ever try to put a wrist lock on someone who was resisting? They just rip the hand away unless they're drunk.
bwelc00 2 years ago
All techniques ending in a wristlock start with atemi to attacker, taking attacker's entire balance through large joint manipulation, and while he's off-balance, finishing with the lock.
It's not vital, though. At that point the finish could be simply smashing their face into a wall.
If you think a wristlock can ever be "put" on someone, or that such is the approach of these martial arts, then you don't understand Daito Ryu and you definitely don't understand Aikido.
shihonage 2 years ago
I remember going to a "Ju-jitsu America" convention more than 10 years ago now. I was watching a Daito Ryu demo with Wily Cahill, the US Olypmic Judo coach in 76. He was shaking his head at them. Take a look at the tall guy on the right in this video at about 6 or 7 seconds in, he does the classic "one-step" punch. I've never seen anyone try to attack anyone like that in the street or competition. The problem is that the art doesn't understand the mechanics of real combat.
bwelc00 2 years ago
And what I mean by that is that nobody leaves their arm out. THEY PULL THE ARM BACK AS FAST AS IT GOES OUT. Because of this, there is no simply putting someone in a lock as is shown, nor is there simply taking someone's balance and smashing their head into a wall.
I did traditional ju-jitsu for years before starting BJJ and Judo. I'm not being mean, but I can't tell you how many friends of mine I've dissappointed when their techniques didn't work. Took me a while too.....
bwelc00 2 years ago
There's more to advanced Aikido than overexaggerated attacks. Aikido works just fine when the arm is withdrawn and attacker keeps it close to their body. It really stops mattering once you understand the principles instead of locking your brain into "trying" to "do" a "technique" "on" someone.
The quotes are there on purpose, as this is a very common misconception for many Aikido practitioners.
shihonage 2 years ago
Once you internalize principles of Aikido, it becomes easy to apply to reality attacks, when you're not willing to play the attacker's game, there's no mats, no ring, few-seconds time window, and rough ground/walls/weapon potential.
For the ring, that's another story, but that's not what Aikido is about.
If you look closely you'll see that even mainstream Aikido practices the very common grab n' punch street attacks on the receiving end of which I've found myself more than once in real life.
shihonage 2 years ago
If you spend you time training practicing stuff that never happens, it leaves less time to practice stuff that does.
"Aikido" works fine when the attacker keeps his arm close to the body? I've never seen any Aikido practitioner, or any traditional martial artist do a pummeling drill such as that in done in wrestling or Thai Boxing. Tell me what the principles are in close quarters? Are they different than when the opponent is further away? You're trying to sell Aikido to yourself and...
bwelc00 2 years ago
The rest of us. In fact, there are a set of principles that govern what you should do and it all depends on what the opponent does. Movements and techniques. There are different options, some can be strikes, some joint locks, some takedowns and control. All of it relies on not getting hit. This guy has his hands down the entire time. What's more important is practicing as much as possible what a real opponent will do. There is nothing real about most attack scenarios in traditional arts.
bwelc00 2 years ago
Your last sentence is a grossly inaccurate generalization. As for multiple attacker drills, why don't you try some at realtime speed, with 3-4 guys coming at you simultaneously, and see what matters more - your guard stance or your strong moving posture+footwork together.
You may be surprised at what you will find to be effective as result of that drill.
shihonage 2 years ago
The problem with this (and every other Aikido or traditional martial I see or have done) isn't the speed, it's the stupidity it supposes on the attackers.
Have you ever, at any time, tried a grappling match against a judo or BJJ player? Have you ever tried a grappling match against a wrestler? And don't tell me Aikido isn't for competition. I didn't ask about competition. I'm talking about seeing if your techniques work against a fully resisting opponent to further the art, not to win a trophy
bwelc00 2 years ago
I've done Judo randori. Mind you I was 4th kyu at the time and the guy was about the same rank in Judo. Even though I did not use strikes, which are necessary with combat Aikido, I got him into supinating wristlock, which is against Judo rules, yet is one of the essential Aikido/police techniques for reducing size dependency between participants.
However, in reality he would've gotten hit in the face the moment he went for the grab. I also used ikkyo in real life on someone who tried to box me.
shihonage 2 years ago
did you own him?
wwechamp7 2 years ago
As his fists went up, I closed distance quickly and made contact, he tried to punch me, but sent himself stumbling backwards instead, because that energy was returned to him via ikkyo.
Then he changed his mind about attacking me.
shihonage 2 years ago
why u guys fighting and u hard?
wwechamp7 2 years ago
We don't do boxing drills because Aikido isn't boxing. It would be incredibly stupid to engage someone in a game at which they're better than you.
As for the principles in close quarters, they remain the same. When you're still attached to how technique looks, as opposed to how it feels, you will not be able to do it.
Ikkyo, for example can be applied to someone in a boxing stance just fine, depending on circumstances, among a couple of other approaches. Elbow down and tight ? Doesn't matter.
shihonage 2 years ago
No wristlock or armlock works unless you can grab something on the arm or the hand. So you're telling me that when someone throws a jab or a cross you can grab the wrist every time? That's all you need? You're dreaming, like the guy in this demo. Get your hands up when you fight or you get hit in the face. Is that a principle of Aikido? If not, then someone forgot something.
bwelc00 2 years ago
Grabbing the wrist when someone throws a jab ? Not only I never said this, you apparently ignored 80% of what I said up to this point.
As not to make this into a pissfest, I'll humor you with a serious reply. An armlock works fine if you can lock the arm. If you go into a boxing stance, I can pounce, tie up your wrists just for the 0.3 seconds it takes me to smash your throat with my elbow, grab the opposite shoulder and trip you over my leg which is behind you.
Fight ? No. Finish ? Yes.
shihonage 2 years ago
There's where the problem is. What is the opponent doing when you're "pouncing?" What the hell is pouncing anyway? Are you a leopard?
If you're smashing someone's throat with an elbow, then you might as well practice throwing elbows like MMA. I know you'll say that MMA is a sport, but you don't seem to get that the hard part isn't hitting the throat, but landing the elbow. When I go into my "boxing stance" and you do what you say up there, my response is "wow, that guy moves like a leoapard"
bwelc00 2 years ago
And you managed to get your leg behind me? Wow, you are quick. Or I just suck.
Or maybe you're just assuming I and everyone else you will encounter sucks.
bwelc00 2 years ago
You can't back up to relinquish your space as fast as I press forward. It's simple reality, try it sometime.
This differential in speed is enough to maintain control for the one-tick motion, but of course training is needed to put body weight and speed behind it at the same time.
If, instead of backing up, you try to sidestep it only opens your side for me to do the throw faster.
Not that I will convince you. Just another day at work, arguing with someone on Youtube...
shihonage 2 years ago
This isn't a "challenge" but where do you live? I live in the Washington DC area. I've been doing martial arts for a long time. When I started, there was no UFC, MMA, there was no BJJ instruction in the US. I did Tang Soo Do, and Japanese Ju-jitsu.
I have lots of friends that are black belts in different styles of Japanese ju-jitsu, and I have friends that are black belts in Aikido. When I started taking BJJ I rolled with alot of them and never came close to tapping....
bwelc00 2 years ago
Why did your friends compete in BJJ without knowing the BJJ game ? They're odd.
You mock "awareness" but I can read you well.
You take my words as an affront to yourself, and keep peppering your replies with personal attacks.
My not insulting you back creates a visible contrast. You can now see that this behavior is unbecoming of you, but you can't control yourself. This upsets you even more.
However, I can control myself, and whether this goes any further. It won't. Good luck and God bless.
shihonage 2 years ago
My friends thought that what they were doing would work. This was a while ago, maybe 7 years.
My "problem" with traditional arts is that they cocoon themselves instead of inviting new information. I had a buddy that knew about the Gracies back in the late 80's. He had gone to their seminars and told me about them. He was a Wally Jay student. When the UFC first started in '93, I saw it and knew that it was something completely missing from my training....
bwelc00 2 years ago
But most, not all, but most of the people I trained with at the time dismissed it. I guess it didn't help, and maybe it still doesn't that the Gracies were arrogant too, but so were (and still are) traditionalists. 16 years later, some have come around, some haven't. My frustration comes from dealing with close-minded people for 16 years. Now, I'm the one that's come to this forum, so I wasn't forced to bring this to you, but as a long time instructor, I just got sick of the fantasies.
bwelc00 2 years ago
The problem with Aikido demonstrations is that you get this old man who has ukes grab both his hands, and he "throws" them. It's a beginner training exercise, not a technique, yet you have Nth dans performing it on video. Aiki Expo is full of "dance poets" relying on custom-trained ukes. Such bullshit dilutes the real applicable principles of Aikido - the cutting art. Look up articles by Henry Ellis on what Aikido used to be before the new-age hippies started imitating old O Sensei.
shihonage 2 years ago 2
I completely agree. Aikido has been watered down to a peaceful form of "self defense," but it looks more like ballet sometimes. I have trained for 5 years in Tenshin Aikido, but I think the real difference is the way we trained. We'd attack each other in the same way we're getting attacked on the street. Not like these Karate punches. We'd punch each other in the face, fight for our lives, and everything in between. Aikido, to us at least, wasn't about grace and flow, it's about surviving.
masterexploder83 2 years ago
Its important to balance the "realism" so that it doesn't take the "Aiki" out of one's Aikido.
Aikido's movement is graceful not by purpose, but due to its alignment with natural laws. In order to learn how to move like this, regular training with stylized attacks is extremely important.
However I do expect MULTIPLE DEGREE BLACKBELTS to work with real street attacks in demonstrations, as well as unrehearsed ukes from other Aiki branches.
Demos should be flashy, explosive and real.
shihonage 2 years ago 2
i do agree that it's not aikido without the aiki. I just hate seeing these cautious ukes giving their sensei a break cuz he's giving a demo. When I was training constantly, we had a standing bet going with all of the students. If any of us could hit our sensei while he was demonstrating technique, we'd get 100 bucks. You can bet that I always tried my hardest to whoop his fuckin ass, every chance I got, even in demonstrations. That only makes our technique better. I never was able to hit him.
masterexploder83 2 years ago
Yep, even stylized attacks have to be sincere. If someone doesn't move, you should be able to hurt them with tsuki or shomen/yokomen attacks.
Otherwise, you're learning incorrect feel for energy and distancing. This seems very common in Aikido dojos, at least ones that make it to TV.
Usually comparisons to Yoga abound from the commentator while some touchie-feelie hippies ballet-dance in background. That's the retarded demo they usually have for TV. It makes me sick.
shihonage 2 years ago 2
My problem with traditional arts is that nobody follows the founder's teachings. O Sensei said that Aikido should always change. He said not to get caught up in appearance of technique as it will continue to evolve. He also said that he looked back and saw no one following his path.
The only person I've seen evolve Aikido up to this point was Steven Seagal, and coincidentally, he repeated much of the path O Sensei took when developing it.
shihonage 2 years ago
In a vain attempt to not play along with your attempts to start a pissfest, I'll give you a serious reply once more.
I've seized "boxing guard" hands before. Aikido is a Budo, it is not made for the ring with a referee and a bell. One of the things it teaches is awareness of people's intent in everyday life.
As I see boxing stance go up, I enter and tie the arms. That, throat strike, shoulder grab and sweep are ONE continuous, quick, straight move. It's called martial arts for a reason. Peace
shihonage 2 years ago
So before I leave for the day, I'm sure I'll never meet you, but the fallacy with what you're saying is all in "as I see boxing stance go up, I enter and tie the arms." No, wristlock boy, you don't, unless someone just lets you. I guess you could do it if they were waving hello, but since you can read minds you wouldn't do that.
IF you can "enter and tie the arms" yeah, you'll take the opponent out. That must have been what I was doing wrong in that match with Anderson Silva. Damn.
bwelc00 2 years ago
Again, 80% of what I said conveniently went over your head.
The opening is when the opponent's arms are going up, not when they're already up. You can't seize them in the ring, because when the match starts they're already up, as you're both playing the same game.
Real life is not a game. When someone attacks in real life, they don't "box" or "grapple", their attack is quick, sincere and powerful. I've been on receiving end of that many times.
shihonage 2 years ago
If someone thiks this is more than a show, go watch MMA annd get real.
felo790 2 years ago
Na I d rather watch some good Aikido than two animals in a cage.
2008August30 2 years ago
Gotta love noobs when they talk like they are street wise and make up bullshit to make them sound like they know what they are talking about when in reality the only MA they know is the art of turning pages in a book or watching too much crap on youtube. They start preaching they know everything about a "real" fight it makes me laugh and they are just out to troll. You are so transparent cypsation that you have no argument, noob.
2008August30 2 years ago
So dont come at me with shit like this wouldnt work, cause you dont really know yourself.
2008August30 2 years ago
Nice dance routine.
tedpm206 2 years ago
The day I decided that Aikido wont make me invicible was the day I was able to study the truth about it. Once you let go of that your mind stops questioning "would this or that work in a real situation" and instead you begin to learn the principle behind the technique. You begin to say "Sure nobody is going to attack you like that, but what am I actually trying to learn here, what is the principle behind this?" This is what one has to do in order to learn Aikido and this is a big step believe me
2008August30 2 years ago
before they hit you which is impossible. So whats wrong with just studying one art? Id rather be a master of one than a jack of all trades and master of none, but then thats just me. I do MA for a lot of reasons, wanting to be invicible is not one of them.
2008August30 2 years ago
on the net and there is also some great awesome shit too. I just dont agree with ppl when they judge something just by looking at it on youtube and say that wouldnt work in reality when in reality, Aikido just wouldnt look like that thats all but it would be more devastating.
2008August30 2 years ago
Most of the moves not very useful? In terms of what, Cagefighting? You obviously dont know that Aikido has some pretty devastating techniques that if done with the intent to harm, will kill somebody. People are so easy to brush Aikido aside because all they watch is MMA on youTube. The funny thing is Id love to see you get onto the mats with a 5th Dan Aikidoka and then say "Aikido is not very useful". Yeah cause you wouldn't.
2008August30 2 years ago
if i was a bit older and had some more muscles id punch his nose and he'd start crying.
cmon this is a joke if you take aikido you dont go anyway near real combat unless you do some sparring but even thats lame.
candyisbetternyou 2 years ago
Yeah but most combat training systems ie Police force, Security training and Army teach jujitsu and all Aikido is is Jujitsu without the killing blows. Learning Aikido doesnt mean you cant use the killing blows, Aikido just teaches you theres another way, a harder way.
2008August30 2 years ago
Look at this video, sure he isnt doing much the the guys but think about it for a second. 3 guys attacking one, I dont think a jujitsu guy who wants to end up grappling on the ground is going to survive 3 men on top of him. So its best to stay on your feet blending with their movement as one movement not 3. At any time then he can dispatch one person at time with a severe technique to put them out.
2008August30 2 years ago
Your aboslutly right a jiu jitsu guy wouldn't want to be on the ground against 3 attackers, but here in the real world when people attack you they generally don't rush at you with outstretched arms and role with your throws. You might be able to get a way with one throw against a completely amatuer opponent that has no martial arts training what so ever, but against people that know what they're doing you have no realistic chance of utilizing aikido on them.
cypsation 2 years ago
Yeah but this is a demonstration. If it was a Dan grading then maybe the attacks would be harder. When you say against ppl that know what they are doing you couldnt use Aikido, which part of Aikido are you referring to? Theres the pretty demonstration Aikido that everybody poohoos, which I assume you are talking about, and then theres the street Aikido that doesnt look pretty and can break bones and cause loss of life which everybody forgets exists. I agree that there is a lot of shit Aikido
2008August30 2 years ago
fair enough, but like any martial art you can't just study one. If you try and utilize aikido against somebody who has the slightest boxing skills, it wouldn't turn out well for the aikido guy. Alternatly if you're defending against attackers that have no combat training, or attempt to grab you in some way i could see how aikido could be useful.
cypsation 2 years ago
Yes, now we are getting somewhere. So at a basic level Aikido training relies on big, exaggerated, lunging attacks. At a more advanced level where you face off against a trained opponent, thats where it relies more on being able to draw the attacker in so theres a lot of retreating in order to enter if you get my drift. Remember also no MA makes you invincible, neither does knowing several, consider somebody shooting you from a distance. Theres no defence against that unless you can see bullets
2008August30 2 years ago
Dont forget they "role[roll] with your[the] throws" or else many bones would get broken. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a part of this art is learning how to fall.
SunChipsINC 2 years ago
Of course you are right, but my point is that in aikido you train for attacks that no one will ever attack you with unless they are totally useless and have no clue how to fight. You will never ever ever catch a punch from somebody who knows how to throw a punch, i don't care if your an aikido master, it won't happen. Theres also a reason why there are no aikido competitions, because when you actually fight someone they either start swinging or clinche with you.
cypsation 2 years ago
Yeah but how many trained fighters go out there to break the law? Compared to your standard criminal, fuck all would be trained fighters, most are gunna be bar brawlers or hoodlums who think they know how to fight but would just go into a fight swinging arms. Thats the reality on the street IMO. Also Aikido is not just about trying to catch punches, thats just a shallow view and if thats all you see then your a noob and have absolutely no idea whatsoever.
2008August30 2 years ago
if you have never been in a fight your entire life and have trained aikido for 20 years you will absolutly get your ass kicked, especially by bar room brawlers. If you weren't such a noob you would know that. No amount of aikido training will ever prepare you for a bar fight. I have never seen any aikido techniques utlized from a clinche position, like judo which is actually effective or wrestling. I would say 80% of all street fights end up in a clinche or on the ground. Thats reality
cypsation 2 years ago
oh yeah an good luck trying to fight someone with a martial art that virtually has no strikes, you're living in a dream world bud, and you've obviously never been in a bar fight, or any fight for that matter.
cypsation 2 years ago
ROFL yeah and if I had one leg and partially blind I probably would too. Although I would have to say someone who has had no fighting experience except 20 years Aikido would kick your arse from here to Africa. Have you ever seen a boxer or Karateka fight from a clinche position or on the ground? Yeah they probably fight for their lives and bite your ears off and head butt your face just like an Aikidoka would you tosser. Thats reality.
No strikes? half of Aikido is from grabs you idiot .
2008August30 2 years ago
You obviously prefer the "lets lie down on the ground together and fight this out" approach like animals do. Im prefer the more civilised approach and stand while Im fighting. Thats reality.
2008August30 2 years ago
well obviously i wouldn't want a street fight to go to the ground especially against multiple attackers, but thats reality people instinctivly clinche and attempt to wrestle each other to the ground its human nature. No aikido training mimics reality.
cypsation 2 years ago
ive never picked a fight in my life, but beleive me when i say this, the first time you get into a real bar fight you will realize the foley of your ways..... end transmition.
cypsation 2 years ago
Dude, I have been in fights and at the end of the day its all about instinct. If I have to bite a guys ear off I will who cares that it isnt Aikido. I train in Aikido because it sharpens my reflexes and gives me options but im not bound to any rules buddy.
2008August30 2 years ago
and im pretty sure you've never used an aikido technique in a fight. and its obvious to everyone who will read you comments that you have never been in a fight, because you would have realized a long time ago the aikido is useless.
cypsation 2 years ago
ROFL buzz off loser. Go play with your lego toys.
2008August30 2 years ago
Hey man i'm just trying to save you from an ass beating thats all. If you don't want to take the word of someone whos been there and has studied various martial arts for almost 20 years than don't. I'm not saying aikido techniques don't work, i'm just saying in a real fight against a tough opponent you will not be able to use aikido, you'll take one punch to the face and forget every technique you've ever learned, and one you experience a real fight you will learn that.
cypsation 2 years ago
Hey man, thanks I really dont need your advise coming from somebody who has never been in a fight. All the book studying you have been doing amounts to nothing IMO. Like I said before, Ive been in "real" and my Aikido has come in real handy even when I have been hit in the head. Most punches to the head are glancing blows and after many years training dont affect technique at all. But then you wouldnt know that bookworm.
2008August30 2 years ago
sure kid
cypsation 2 years ago
super troll
2008August30 2 years ago
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Deltcon 2 years ago
first of all...90% of the people on the street have only their numbers as an advantage. i mean how many bad a**es do you see just hanging around by themselves? the real punks are in groups.
second, everyone says if you get hit in head, if you get hit in the head. what YOU need to know is IF YOU CAN HIT SOMEONE IN THE HEAD...hitting with accuracy requires training!
if you were to group the trained in any art and the untrained who the hello do you think is gonna sweep. don't be silly.
doctorsizzle 2 years ago
comming from the guy who has obviously never been in a fight. If you have ever been in a fight or have ever trained full contact then you would understand why people say "if you get hit in the head". An Aikido guy who does not train full contact or has never been punched in the face in his life, will most definatly take a punch and then forget every technique he has ever learned. If your not use to taking punched you will get your ass kick i dont care who you are. So you need to get real.
cypsation 2 years ago
cypsation you fake arse, let me tell you one or two things about Aikido you obviously dont know about. Firstly, me personally, have been hit in the head while training, and yes it does hurt but this is all part of the conditioning. The truth of it is, once you get over the shock the pain is irrelevant. Aikido training attempts to simulate full force attack and if you dont move you will get hit even though normally it is a single attack.
2008August30 2 years ago
Theres no point arguing with you because firstly you do not know how to listen and secondly you choose not to believe anything i say so whats the point? You are just hell bent on sticking to your own uninformed opinion and though you have one or two valid points (and thats stretching it) you still dont listen.
2008August30 2 years ago
You say a 5th Dan black belt...?
How long would it take to get to that level?
I could safely say a blue belt in BJJ would give a 5th Dan in Aikido a run for their money
ROHZS2000 2 years ago
ROFL, firstly I didnt say I was a 5th Dan but to get there would take about about 15 years training 4-5 hours a day going by one of my sensei's. So to even say a blue belt in BJJ would give them a run for money is just taking the piss.
2008August30 2 years ago
how can any european say "Americans can't fight" when we pulled your asses out of two World Wars. Get over yourself.
narner 2 years ago
???
SENSEIJOCIC 2 years ago
did you know more americans have killed europeans from friendly fire in the past 60 years than iraq's and taliban have in the gulf wars etc.
Americans can fight, but they cant aim.
lol.
AidaDGunZ 2 years ago
It were Russians. suck dick, capitalist swine.
eizehore 2 years ago
looks like a moshpit.
igoronline 3 years ago
Aikido reminds me of ballet. It takes years to master. It's all about perfect timing and angles and it is beautiful to watch, especially when you've been on the recieving end and can respect it. This isn't even that great of a demo, but it's still pretty cool. It's better than watching "MMA" athletes exchanging sloppy punches and kicks. I'm pretty sure traditional Jiujitsu practitioners also wear those "dresses."
mouthofacowboy 3 years ago
Quite effective against multiple attackers. They don't go one on one like in the movies.
Arg, why does martial arts training cost so much money???
amazingdany 3 years ago
in the backround music it sounds like some one is playing guitar hero. hahahaha
JasperJJ1 3 years ago
aikido is very eficient martial art.....
PS:
The Americans around here...please shut the fuck up......americans dont know how to fight......if you wana a real fight come to football match in europe and fight a hooligan...... mma is for sysy`s........hooliganism is for the real badass mothafuckers.......is like you fucks trying to fight the SWAT teams fuckers
mardukgodofwar 3 years ago
MMA is for sissy's? Mixed Martial Artists are the most talented fighters out there. They get in the ring and actually fight.
In Aikido they wear dresses and run at each other while staring at the ground, sticking their arms straight out and yelling. They just pretend to fight. They're the real sissy's.
Robopencil 3 years ago
I agree robopencil...it's like a different talent - more like a different kind of "ballet".
talkin79 3 years ago
lol aikido is fun to watch but most of the moves are not very useful...a friend of mine is a black belt and his disarming techniques are amazing but overall his grappling isnt that good
Rhoadhead 2 years ago
umm ps, dont talk shit douche bag, i really dont care if americans dont know how to fight.
DfarakSkeletor 3 years ago
WTF is this horse shit? MMA ruined the credibility of this kind of movie/hollywood style garbage. Put this toad in with Gracie and he would piss himself just before going to sleep from a rear naked choke.
nickasatourian 3 years ago
you'r an idiot aren't u? this is an art, MMA is a VA figthing style including aikido..if you knew something about aikido or any ai ki art you would know and wouldn't talk about it like that....
TranceHS 3 years ago 3
Shut the fuck up you fag. I know plenty about martial arts cock sucker. Fucking ass wanker goes around calling people ignorant because you don't like what they say. Your apology is in my sack! Come suck it out you bitch!
nickasatourian 3 years ago
why are you going around talking about martial arts if you're not a martial artist yourself...a bit weird.
this vid aint good tho I give you that
lordtains 3 years ago
To watch this video in HIGH QUALITY and listen STEREO AUDIO You have to add this (&fmt=18) to existing URL without the brackets.Than hit ENTER.
SENSEIJOCIC 3 years ago
cool! my friend has 20 years of trainig! he can catch your hand so fast and move you out of the way like a paper! and its really painful if he locks something! I do muythai and karate but now Im looking into aikido or jujitsu! since I live in japan now! keep up the good traing and remember respect is number 1 nometter how strong you are! there is alway someone stronger or better!
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
that is why we have guns
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
thats why you are usless! I also have guns, and I did my training with guns! by the time you pulll your gun I will be already watching the news drinking some milk!
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
haha with that attitude you obviously are not thinking realistically.
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
get a life! you must be a fatass! if you think you are going to make me angry! go eat more cake! watch more younoob! thats all you can do watch other people do cool shit that you will never be able to! looooooooooooossssssssseeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr! let me finish edditing my full contac video!
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
haha I've been in more street fights than you could ever be in and survive. I'm not fat at all. What you got something against fat people? Haha you are pathetic.
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
uuuuuuu! wow! really! you must be hated by alot of people! go find a friend near your house! fatasss! fatass! you must be from England! fat assssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
haha no I am not from England, plus it is americans who have that reputation. You are sad and pathetic. In combat, Id mush your face just like every other clown who thought he was tough. To be honest you must be fucking retarded. And I am not fat. You must be a skinny little toothpick man from mexico eating beans and spicy rice...pfft go shit a liquid ass storm and shut the fuck up.
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
bahlhlbahlabhlbhbalhlahblahblahbalbhalbhalbhalbhlahblbhalhblahblahb go get drunk! loooooooooooooooseeeeeeeeeeeer fat assssssss!
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
pathetic, go get a girlfriend...ohhh wait you have never had one because judging by the way your mind works you cant hold a real conversation for SHIT.
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
blbalbaaabalbhhbaahlabahlbaabahbaahlbalhabalabhabalhabaabahababhabh thats how you sound! find a friend! go outside! fatass!
I do work with mentally handicap people but you have no hope! born an idiot die like one! huashushaushaushauhsuahsuahsuahsuahushaushuahsuahsuahsuahsuah
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
I bet that little stupid saying helps YOU sleep at night. bahahahaha. I hope you are smart enough to get that at least....
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
I must of hit a nerve fatass!smart enough!? lets see if you are smart! Eres un puto ke chupa guevos todos los dias y le gusta comer verga de burro todas las noche! marrano gordo como marrano! youare probably gonna translate using the web! so here we go agai! omae bakdaro, omae nanimo shiranai kuchi dake akeru! antama no naka unko dake haiteru! omae shineba ii bebu debu debu! omae wa tomoodachi nai dakara zuto ore no mail suru desho! choto soto ike omae
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
moshi soto itara tabun yaseru! fatasssssss! dakara kono baka no hito shineba ii! ouch ouch ouch! go eat more cake cause you just got owend by Evil Nation INC. now I must go pick up my girlfriend and go buy the new sony HDR-SR12 on my mercedes kompressor have a nice fatasss dream you ignorant under educated fool! working at the gas stand! netx time I will give you a tip maybe 100 bucks after I wipe my ass with it! you can not your ass is too large!!! you need a carpet!
fueldbybeans 3 years ago
haha i am 100 times smarter than your dumb ass will ever be...again trying to claim some knowledge by speaking in another language. HAHA The fact that you understand another language does not make you smarter and the fact that you think it does....well makes you an idiot. Anymore bright messages shit for brians? Plus I have more education than you as well.....you live in mexico.......terrible education.
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
also your lame attempts at trying to insult me when i am not even fat....haha pathetic.
HackTh3Planet 3 years ago
I give what I get. That is the way of life you ape.
nickasatourian 3 years ago
stfu douche
asdflol123 3 years ago
lol
....I dont like milk
lordtains 3 years ago
One low kick would have fixed that dance.
Uberware 3 years ago
CentauriCinema
Quote :- "The problem is anyone that is seriously good in Aikido doesn't care to fight"
"I've had about 8 real street fights."
Then you are not very good in Aikido...
mad101dan 3 years ago
Those of you who are not satisfied go to cage...
DesignJZ 3 years ago
I do agree... That was a stupid comment. But that does not mean I'm saying anything bad about street fights, or akido. But CC needs to read what he said.
DudeMarko 3 years ago
A true Aikidoist doesn't try to fight. He or she tries to not get into a fight. Even if it means running.
Self defense starts with not fighting at all.
CentauriCinema 3 years ago
Yeah, I think what you pointed here is almost common sense.
elunicocalvo 3 years ago
randori..
afiqsince86 3 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Those of you who are not satisfied go to cage...
DesignJZ 3 years ago
FOR StanhopeDoug:
The problem is anyone that is seriously good in Aikido doesn't care to fight or tape it.
You see the number one lesson in Aikido is to not get into the fight in the first place.
I have used Aikido many times. Saved me in every fight I have had (I never started one).
I have never lost a fight and I've had about 8 real street fights.
But you do not have to believe me.
I'm just telling my story.
CentauriCinema 3 years ago
Those of you who are not satisfied go to cage...This is Real Aikido
SENSEIJOCIC 3 years ago
I know it is. It's beautiful really, to see true Aikido I mean.
CentauriCinema 3 years ago
THANKS :)
DesignJZ 3 years ago