You will not find so easy a sponsor or producer because non exist interess to make something for home users even they want to be independents.There are political,economical bussiness man who will want to stop this.This was happen here and everywhere because they want to be dependent economical,political to sell energy at their price.Your intention is good,first make a prototype who will work,next try to find money from good peoples.
@titusignat Hello! I am not looking for sponsors or money. I am looking for affordable motors from a manufacturer. I am familiar with ICPE. Here is a motor that they make: Axial Flux Ironless Permanent-Magnet Motor/Generator
They list new products online but I am sure that they still make old technology motors. In general older ceiling fan motors are less efficient and burn more electricity. They also generate more electricity. Can you buy motors from ICPE?
@titusignat The manufacturers require a minimum order of 10,000 motors. Even if I could afford that, I would not have a place to put them.
I would like to know if the ceiling fans that are for sale in the stores have motors that are made locally. If so, I would like to contact the stores and try to purchase 100 units.
The motor/generator that I saw looks big: icpe. ro/en/d/3/p/axial_field
@titusignat Your plan sounds great. I usually post a first prototype and let other people make it better. I am sure that you will build a better generator. Thanks!
When i say electric motor to axis,i want to say :motor who will generate electricity like dynam from bycicle.You can next combine with an alternator to 220 volts to obtain voltage for a bulb to 220 v or use a halogen or leds bulbs for more bulbs.Search user Roobert33
@titusignat Watch "ceiling fan alternator 230" volts, "ceiling fan alternator 125+ volts" and all my videos with the words "ceiling fan" in the title. If you can find me a company that will sell me 100 to 1000 ceiling fan motors of the same model and design, I will start selling alternators. I am making my own with available standard parts because I want to be able to assemble multiple copies. I am sure that there is a company in your city that makes ceiling fan motors. Please let me know.TKS!
Im not sure their is any comparison between the ceiling fan alt and this one for a number of reasons but I feel now that I am just going to start repeating myself. Please dont feel that I am trying to put you down as this is not my intention I am all for people trying new things but inside realistic peramiters. I have been working on a project for a number of years now and when i have some viable results I will post a video and look farward to any criticism you may have
Axial flux generators of this sort usualy have the magnets mounted on steel discs and this is not just a case of mounting them but the steel consentrates the magnetic field so if you could find pieces of steel to back each magnet it will improve your power output. Once again I would recomend hugh piggots book it really is very good.
@TheJimmax I copied Hugh Piggott's work in my first alternator. But after I got my skin trapped between two disks loaded with magnets, I decided that making alternator with steel disks was just too dangerous for me. Because I am fearful of large magnets, I migrated to ceiling fan alternators, which use small magnets.Before that, I made the magic rotor alternator, which basically slices the disks into 4 slices each. My next alternator will use bobbins stator in an attempt to copy the ceiling fan.
@generatorblue Seems strange to me that a man who uses a chainsaw lathe should find magnet disks dangerous but each to their own. However if you want an efficent generator from your hard work it seems wise to learn from the people who have pushed this forward with their hard work and experience.
@TheJimmax I try to build with hand tools and with parts that most people have access to. I try to build machines that people in third world countries can duplicate without the use of machine tools. I respect what other people have done but believe it or not, I have found a magnet setup that is more efficient than what I have seen so far. Eventually, I will put it together. For now, I am pleased with my original wind turbine designs: "Bevel siding" & "wire mesh". Mr Piggott sent me a long reply
@generatorblue Allthough I appreciate that everyone does not have acess to tools and materials and i am not just posting these comments to be negative but rather trying to give tips to people who might be interested in this so as to prevent them from being dissapointed by a very low power output. indeed I went down the same road my self and dissapointment was what happened. Perhaps you could provide some data regarding power output so we can tell how long it takes to charge a small battery.
@Slayermachete One day, I recycled a rusted bicycle and inflated the tires. Everything was in working order but the chrome on the rear wheel was gone. Each time I applied the brakes, a good chunk of the brake pads was chewed up. I had to discard that perfectly balanced wheel. I soon decided to make wind turbines with bicycle wheels. Later, I discovered ways to assemble alternators with bicycle wheels. I have not yet immersed myself in (electrical) output control. Please send more suggestions!
@Slayermachete Hi!, I am aware of that. I actually do not have a tower and my house is located at the bottom of the hill. So far, I have been generating electricity while filming videos. I usually take the prototype apart while I think about the next improved one. Eventually, I will assemble a complete machine. The price of magnets and magnet wire is an obstacle but rusted bicycle wheels can be found. I think that I can find low power rectifiers in CFL bulb circuits. Where else should I look?
@MucusFelidae I cannot take any credit. I have read hugh piggots book he outlines all the do's and donts very clearly a good read for anyone doing this type of thing.
Love it, great design!!! Great minds with ideas like yours will one day free us all from the corperate strangle hold they have overmankind! Many blessing and take care, Chris
@Topher4334 Hi! If you can make a patented object, the patent holder has the right to ask the courts to stop you from making and selling them. However, I am not aware of a law stating that you cannot find safe alternative uses for objects. Most recycling programs concentrate on recovering the materials that were used to build objects. I recycle the skilled manpower that designed and shaped the object. One day I decided to recycle car tires and glass bottles. I posted a car tire video idea today.
@SouthNJPC I do not remember where I got them. I searched the Internet before responding to your question and found a place called Hose X press that not only sells long one but will also sell you kit that allow you to make them any length you desire. I have a feeling that some trades use them for large diameter cylindrical air flow pipes. They sell them ready-made up to 20 inches in diameter.
If you were to use a rear wheel from a small bike instead of the cart wheel, you could use the sprocket on the bike wheel to chain drive the wheel to a much higher RPM. It would be pretty simple to use the crank from a larger bicycle (more teeth on the sprocket than a small bike) to drive the chain, and you could get some serious speed out of it.
@kenny474 You are absolutely right. I once cut off one crank cam and removed the pedal form the other in an attempt to make a wind turbine that would snap over the remaining crank cam and be secured by one bolt screwed into the hole for the pedal. The idea was to replace the rear wheel by the alternator and let it be driven by the chain and shift gears for wind speeds. I was going to recycle the whole bicycle frame (minus the front fork) and place it on a pole. You are a mechanical thinker. Tks!
why don't you turn it into a 6 phase alternator? efficiency would increase by some 90ish percent, and all you would need is three more of those coil setups.
you're not gonna hook it up to a grid, so the phase period doesn't matter.
@sentientagent Hi! I managed to improve the parallel magnets setup but have not yet found a solid way to secure the coils. I have since moved to a new design based on the ceiling fan stator. Once I achieve 50 volts with one phase with the "Haitian alternator2", I will then consider multiple phases. Note that I have two videos showing how I reached 125 volts and then 230 volts with the ceiling fan alternator (lighting regular light bulbs). I appreciate the information and expect more feedback.
@kinggstatus 1) It is an original design. 2) The person who built it was born in Haiti. 3) It is built in the traditions of Haitian innovators who despite a scarcity of material find ways to transform tin cans from can food into many items like kerosene lamps etc. 4) Too frequently people on the island describe a clever fellow as being too smart for Haiti. 5) Because it could inspire people like you to build a better one. Please explain why you are offended.
@generatorblue It offenses me because I seen Haiti its mostly generators and friends giving out electricity.Haiti is a devastating place and No offense it just looks weird.I just can't say it without offending you/creator.But im not a hater.
@kinggstatus I have been using bicycle wheels to build my small alternators to generate electricity because they can be found anywhere on this planet. Even when the wheel is rusted it still can be used in my designs. I also make sure that I only use hand tools. Most people build alternators in machine tools that cost a lot of money. As I was leaving Haiti, I asked what could I bring with me to represent Haiti? The answer was a bottle of rum. Haiti is in my mind when I build something useful.
@spectrospirit I do not know why I talk too much. I know why I talk too slow when I record a video. I do not want people to stop and rewind the video because they missed something that were said.
There is another Youtube channel more famous than mine with a gentleman who is famous for ceiling fan alternators. I once sent him a message with the following title: "You talk too much and you work too hard".
I suggest that you search for "how to ceiling fan wind?” If you like me, you will love MMM
@MrHobiecat You are certainly right about the power. This first prototype was made to demonstrate the mechanical setup. I have not yet built any alternator with iron core coils but I will. Lately, I shifted my attention from original alternator design to transforming ceiling fans to alternators because they deliver a lot more power for less money. Eventually another more efficient version of the Haitian alternator will follow. I appreciate your suggestion. I am struggling with stator building.
@generatorblue IF you are flashing a 3v light bulb with air core windings, that is pretty good. The trick for wind generators is to get them to spin at low wind speeds. With iron core windings, you get much more power output BUT the magnets will be attracted to the iron cores and will tend to stick to them. There will be a minimum wind speed to break the magnets free from the iron core windings.With air core windings this doesnt happen, but the power is much lower...
@generatorblue ..so to get the same power output with air core windings, you need many more windings on the armatures.
I like your approach, I have a 27" wheel with tape/spoke blades spinning by my watergarden. All it does now is scare away the Blue Herons so they dont eat my Koi, but I do have a small 5W solar panel from Harbor Freight ($35 on sale) that charges a 4Ahr jell cell. On a sunny day it gets enough charge to run a 14W florescent 12V camplight for about 3 hours.,,
@generatorblue ... I would like to combine a bike wheel generator to cover the cloudy days. One thought, where I live the wind is out of the W 80% of the time, and out of the east 15% of the time, so I could mount the wheel fixed to catch a W or E wind, and that removes a lot of complexity from the mounting setup.
Keep us posted on the ceiling fan conversions, I have you in my favorites list - nice work, and nicely done.
@MrHobiecat Please take a look at my ceiling fan alternators videos on the "generatorblue" channel. Also look at the wire mesh wind turbine videos and the" wind and catamaran on a river turbine" video that gives the construction details of the wire mesh wind turbine. I am trying to improve everything that is original in my videos. It is a slow process because I am trying not to build custom parts. I am trying to build with parts that already exist and that are affordable. Thanks for the comments
@generatorblue one last thought, if you measure the power coming off your generators, you will need a scope, or at least a Fluke 97 that measures true RMS power. The reason is the energy is pulsing, and with the large gaps between magnets you have to average in the dead time. The useful number is true RMS power, from which you can calculate how quickly it will charge a battery, or how many amp-hours is being produced for a steady wind speed....
@CarlosWever I usually post a video of the first prototype and after that I try to improve the design.
Once I establish that the mechanical setup is valid, I make it public in order for other people to improve it. The basic idea is that bicycle wheels are available anywhere on earth. FYI, the wires are covered with black electric tape around the rim. I will be building a stronger model that can handle the elements. I have found "standard parts" to improve this project but not all that I need.
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I have a question, in a regular car alternator there is an exciter that sends a bit of electricity, to the coil in order to get the alternator up and running. Don't you also need one? Or how does it work?
@TonyFbaby87 Hi, electricity is generated when coils (loops) of wire travel through magnetic fields.
The magnetic field in this setup is created by the permanent magnets facing each other. The car alternator does not have permanent magnets. Instead it creates a magnetic field with a coil (electromagnet) and an exciter current. In a set of coils create the magnetic field while another set of coils travel through the magnetic field.
The magnetic field varies with the strength of the exciter.
@TonyFbaby87 you can put a magnet in the center of an alternator replacing the magnetic coil . so you do not need the stater . just replace it with somthing that always has a magnetic field . like a magnet . then wire up a 12 volt 12 amp bettery to avariable resister to a 6 volt electtric motor to turn the alternator uses say a power wheels motor . and collect the extra. put some back in the 12 volt battrery with a controler that dont need power to run like a solar controler .
@CaptBart Aye Aye captain! When I built it, my plan was to build blades attached to a bicycle rim (Rim only without spokes) of the same diameter as the wheel that hold the magnets (the rotor). Maybe when you said "the face of another wheel" you mean another rim. Once your blades are mounted to another rim, you can connect the turbine to the alternator rim-to-rim.
@generatorblue Yes this was one way, i was talking but also, I suppose you could mount them to the rim of the inner or magnetized, wheel you already have?
@CaptBart Yes, you could mount them to the rim at an angle. Then, you will decide to make it an "upwind" or "downwind" machine. My "windmill on wheel" video is depicting a downwind machine that does not require a yaw. The "Hollow tomato cage turbine" has a yaw. If you are building a model, do not hesitate to ask more questions.
@generatorblue You definitely got it down Philippe; a time-varying (moving) magnetic field creates an electrical field, and a time-varying electrical field creates a magnetic field.
Moving magnets past a nearby coil creates current flow through the coil. Would be nice to be able to see the coil current/voltage waveform on an oscilloscope , so that an effective power conditioning circuit could be designed to best exploit the current that is created.
@DancingSpiderman Hi! I got some things but I have a long way to go. The cost for the magnets in my original designs is still too high. I need to stop using air core coils. Since magnet wire is not cheap either, recycled ceiling fan alternators takes care of the magnet wire cost. I am always looking for ways to improve my original prototypes but I will use the cheapest way to generate the most power. I have a better chance at improving my original wire mesh wind turbine and drive fan alt. soon.
I usually show one phase in my original alternator prototypes. I just want to demonstrate the mechanical setup. I did look for ready-made coils but could not find anything that thin. They are between 5/16 and 3/8 thin with a diameter of 2 inches. I usually get bored winding coils.
Vous pouvez faire un model avec beaucoup plus de "coils." Il semble que vous avez des outilles pour construire des machines electric.
I will revisit this design. I will try again with fewer magnets and more coils.
Hello, the principles are very simple but your construction is far to complicated and also under higher load highly dangerous. With increasing speed and load the magnets will be attracted to the coil and damage your set-up. Use a wind turbine alternator. You have only two disks sitting on top of each other. Much more control and save. No gearing required either. Simple example from engramiwar
Hello, the principles are very simple but your construction is far to complicated and also under higher load highly dangerous. With increasing speed and load the magnets will be attracted to the coil and damage your set-up. Use a wind turbine alternator. You have only two disks sitting on top of each other. Much more control and save. No gearing required either.
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I wanted to build one with longer magnets but found out that the longer stornger magnets needed more restraining forces at the base. I then placed a wooden cube at the base and used a small hose clamp to tightly join the magnets' endpoints to the wooden block. At the same time I am trying to find ways to use fewer magnets because they are not cheap. You can get more power with fewer magnets with a ceiling fan alternator. I will try to copy the ceiling fan design if I build another alternator.
i would like to add comment here because the work looks great and i bieleve haitian people need your help especialy at the moment... but it s a pity to use these magnet this way (they are so expensive ;o)
u should try to add 9 coils 72mm dia /22mm (round shape) and 12 PM neo 50mm dia /15mm... stick the 9 coils arround the stator with 1mm spacing in betwin, the magnets gets 12mm spacing... I bieleve u could easily get arround 1 or 2 KW with a nice vertical axis
@billmalta1 Hello! I really appreciate your comments. My main focus is on finding ways to generate electricity with bicycle wheels and bicycle wheel hubs in particular. I do the lab work and hope that other people will improve the design. Watch my videos on transforming ceiling fans. They yield more power with fewer magnets. One video shows an electric scooter motors that is a generator.
I am still trying to come up with more efficient original designs and can use all the help. Send me mail!
@woodthink I thank you as well. My original alternator designs deliver small amount of power. I have been getting more power by transforming ceiling fans into alternators. Just like bicycle wheels, ceiling fans can be found all over the world. I will keep trying. I believe that Haiti needs "Museums of Standard Parts."
I have no doubt that the creative minds of the Haitian people will be creating new objects with these old parts.
@generatorblue: Merite. I believe that you will accomplish this goal. I'm amazed that the whole island chain hasn't been able to harvest the heat/light energy of the sun. I wish I could offer the same type of ingenuity.
@woodthink Thank you! It is clear that rich countries will be going green first.
"Solar" has no moving parts and no costly towers. With people connecting directly to the grid without the use of storage batteries, green energy has a great future. The islands should acquire the technical knowledge through their universities and/or Youtube. I have learned most of what I know on the Internet. With lots of failures, I only display what works. Lots of honest "youtubers" put their failures on display.
I love to see creative re-purposing. Thanks for explaining your reason for the large size as I was wondering what you were hoping to achieve. Noise is an often overlooked problem.
I have been trying to help people generate electricity even when they do not have access to sophisticated tool.
The precision work can be found in the wheels even when they are rusted.
I hope that you also watched the "messy coil winding" video clip.
On the other hand, I always try to improve the things that others or I make.
I now want to build a very efficient alternator that is not heavy has a smaller diameter and gets more power with less magnets. I am just a mechanical improviser.
@generatorblue Hello, the principles are very simple but your construction is far to complicated and also under higher load highly dangerous. With increasing speed and load the magnets will be attracted to the coil and damage your set-up. Use a wind turbine alternator. You have only two disks sitting on top of each other. One with coils and one with the magnets. Much more control and save. No gearing required either and run silent when encased.
@TheOldScientist You are right about the direct relationship between speed and attraction force on the coil. When it happened, I could not explain it to myself. It feels good to get some help from a real scientist.
I found a way to really secure the magnets. In my older "magic rotor" design. I subdivided disks into slices and reduced the danger to people assembling the alternator. I prefer the ceiling fan design. My coils are not well secured. I would like to insert them in a solid metal ring.
You will not find so easy a sponsor or producer because non exist interess to make something for home users even they want to be independents.There are political,economical bussiness man who will want to stop this.This was happen here and everywhere because they want to be dependent economical,political to sell energy at their price.Your intention is good,first make a prototype who will work,next try to find money from good peoples.
titusignat 1 week ago
@titusignat Hello! I am not looking for sponsors or money. I am looking for affordable motors from a manufacturer. I am familiar with ICPE. Here is a motor that they make: Axial Flux Ironless Permanent-Magnet Motor/Generator
They list new products online but I am sure that they still make old technology motors. In general older ceiling fan motors are less efficient and burn more electricity. They also generate more electricity. Can you buy motors from ICPE?
generatorblue 1 week ago
ahsansaleem61 is my source of inspiration about external source magnet for rotation.
titusignat 1 week ago
@titusignat The manufacturers require a minimum order of 10,000 motors. Even if I could afford that, I would not have a place to put them.
I would like to know if the ceiling fans that are for sale in the stores have motors that are made locally. If so, I would like to contact the stores and try to purchase 100 units.
The motor/generator that I saw looks big: icpe. ro/en/d/3/p/axial_field
Thanks!
generatorblue 1 week ago
Put an electric motor to axis.Use more magnets(triple or more).Use a strong external magnet to rotate this
magnets with rejection force and you will have a generator that not need wind,water,muscle force,etc.
titusignat 1 week ago
@titusignat Your plan sounds great. I usually post a first prototype and let other people make it better. I am sure that you will build a better generator. Thanks!
generatorblue 1 week ago
@generatorblue
When i say electric motor to axis,i want to say :motor who will generate electricity like dynam from bycicle.You can next combine with an alternator to 220 volts to obtain voltage for a bulb to 220 v or use a halogen or leds bulbs for more bulbs.Search user Roobert33
titusignat 1 week ago
@titusignat Watch "ceiling fan alternator 230" volts, "ceiling fan alternator 125+ volts" and all my videos with the words "ceiling fan" in the title. If you can find me a company that will sell me 100 to 1000 ceiling fan motors of the same model and design, I will start selling alternators. I am making my own with available standard parts because I want to be able to assemble multiple copies. I am sure that there is a company in your city that makes ceiling fan motors. Please let me know.TKS!
generatorblue 1 week ago
Im not sure their is any comparison between the ceiling fan alt and this one for a number of reasons but I feel now that I am just going to start repeating myself. Please dont feel that I am trying to put you down as this is not my intention I am all for people trying new things but inside realistic peramiters. I have been working on a project for a number of years now and when i have some viable results I will post a video and look farward to any criticism you may have
TheJimmax 3 months ago
Axial flux generators of this sort usualy have the magnets mounted on steel discs and this is not just a case of mounting them but the steel consentrates the magnetic field so if you could find pieces of steel to back each magnet it will improve your power output. Once again I would recomend hugh piggots book it really is very good.
TheJimmax 3 months ago
@TheJimmax I copied Hugh Piggott's work in my first alternator. But after I got my skin trapped between two disks loaded with magnets, I decided that making alternator with steel disks was just too dangerous for me. Because I am fearful of large magnets, I migrated to ceiling fan alternators, which use small magnets.Before that, I made the magic rotor alternator, which basically slices the disks into 4 slices each. My next alternator will use bobbins stator in an attempt to copy the ceiling fan.
generatorblue 3 months ago
@generatorblue Seems strange to me that a man who uses a chainsaw lathe should find magnet disks dangerous but each to their own. However if you want an efficent generator from your hard work it seems wise to learn from the people who have pushed this forward with their hard work and experience.
TheJimmax 3 months ago
@TheJimmax I try to build with hand tools and with parts that most people have access to. I try to build machines that people in third world countries can duplicate without the use of machine tools. I respect what other people have done but believe it or not, I have found a magnet setup that is more efficient than what I have seen so far. Eventually, I will put it together. For now, I am pleased with my original wind turbine designs: "Bevel siding" & "wire mesh". Mr Piggott sent me a long reply
generatorblue 3 months ago
@generatorblue Allthough I appreciate that everyone does not have acess to tools and materials and i am not just posting these comments to be negative but rather trying to give tips to people who might be interested in this so as to prevent them from being dissapointed by a very low power output. indeed I went down the same road my self and dissapointment was what happened. Perhaps you could provide some data regarding power output so we can tell how long it takes to charge a small battery.
TheJimmax 3 months ago
@TheJimmax @TheJimmax If you watch the "ceiling fan alternator 125+ volts" and the "ceiling fan alternator 230+ volts,
You should be able to estimate the power output. Most ceiling fan units usually deliver between (0.7 to 1 amp).
With the voltage reaching 230 volts, I would say that the output is at most 230 amps. The question is: Do you get one amp from each set of coil?
The other alternators are first prototypes built to demonstrate mechanical setups.
You should post some videos.
generatorblue 3 months ago
This is very smart, well done! You should add a capacitor to make the output smooth.
Slayermachete 3 months ago
@Slayermachete One day, I recycled a rusted bicycle and inflated the tires. Everything was in working order but the chrome on the rear wheel was gone. Each time I applied the brakes, a good chunk of the brake pads was chewed up. I had to discard that perfectly balanced wheel. I soon decided to make wind turbines with bicycle wheels. Later, I discovered ways to assemble alternators with bicycle wheels. I have not yet immersed myself in (electrical) output control. Please send more suggestions!
generatorblue 3 months ago
@generatorblue You can use a bridge rectifier to align the pulse, and then use a capacitor to smooth it. The result will be a smooth, DC output.
Slayermachete 3 months ago
@Slayermachete Hi!, I am aware of that. I actually do not have a tower and my house is located at the bottom of the hill. So far, I have been generating electricity while filming videos. I usually take the prototype apart while I think about the next improved one. Eventually, I will assemble a complete machine. The price of magnets and magnet wire is an obstacle but rusted bicycle wheels can be found. I think that I can find low power rectifiers in CFL bulb circuits. Where else should I look?
generatorblue 3 months ago
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seanbritish 4 months ago
@seanbritish Thank you, I appreciate it.
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discoide1451 4 months ago
Put an iron core into the coils, will increase efficiency.
MucusFelidae 4 months ago
@MucusFelidae That is not a good idea for this design it will introduce cogging which will make it harder to turn.
TheJimmax 3 months ago
@TheJimmax "harder to turn"
You are right, that would not work.
MucusFelidae 3 months ago
@MucusFelidae I cannot take any credit. I have read hugh piggots book he outlines all the do's and donts very clearly a good read for anyone doing this type of thing.
TheJimmax 3 months ago
Love it, great design!!! Great minds with ideas like yours will one day free us all from the corperate strangle hold they have overmankind! Many blessing and take care, Chris
Topher4334 5 months ago
@Topher4334 Hi! If you can make a patented object, the patent holder has the right to ask the courts to stop you from making and selling them. However, I am not aware of a law stating that you cannot find safe alternative uses for objects. Most recycling programs concentrate on recovering the materials that were used to build objects. I recycle the skilled manpower that designed and shaped the object. One day I decided to recycle car tires and glass bottles. I posted a car tire video idea today.
generatorblue 5 months ago
Yes I like this better...step away from the chainsaw!
woodjust4u 5 months ago
@woodjust4u Yes sir!
generatorblue 5 months ago
Where the hell did you get that huge hose clamp?!
SouthNJPC 5 months ago
@SouthNJPC I do not remember where I got them. I searched the Internet before responding to your question and found a place called Hose X press that not only sells long one but will also sell you kit that allow you to make them any length you desire. I have a feeling that some trades use them for large diameter cylindrical air flow pipes. They sell them ready-made up to 20 inches in diameter.
generatorblue 5 months ago
If you were to use a rear wheel from a small bike instead of the cart wheel, you could use the sprocket on the bike wheel to chain drive the wheel to a much higher RPM. It would be pretty simple to use the crank from a larger bicycle (more teeth on the sprocket than a small bike) to drive the chain, and you could get some serious speed out of it.
kenny474 5 months ago
@kenny474 You are absolutely right. I once cut off one crank cam and removed the pedal form the other in an attempt to make a wind turbine that would snap over the remaining crank cam and be secured by one bolt screwed into the hole for the pedal. The idea was to replace the rear wheel by the alternator and let it be driven by the chain and shift gears for wind speeds. I was going to recycle the whole bicycle frame (minus the front fork) and place it on a pole. You are a mechanical thinker. Tks!
generatorblue 5 months ago
I gotta hand it to you here, this is clever, very clever!
I like this a lot more than your chainsaw lathe. This has a lot of potential.
kenny474 5 months ago
I gotta hand it to you here, this is clever, very clever!
I like this a lot more than your chainsaw lathe. This has a lot of potential.
kenny474 5 months ago
why don't you turn it into a 6 phase alternator? efficiency would increase by some 90ish percent, and all you would need is three more of those coil setups.
you're not gonna hook it up to a grid, so the phase period doesn't matter.
sentientagent 5 months ago
@sentientagent Hi! I managed to improve the parallel magnets setup but have not yet found a solid way to secure the coils. I have since moved to a new design based on the ceiling fan stator. Once I achieve 50 volts with one phase with the "Haitian alternator2", I will then consider multiple phases. Note that I have two videos showing how I reached 125 volts and then 230 volts with the ceiling fan alternator (lighting regular light bulbs). I appreciate the information and expect more feedback.
generatorblue 5 months ago
@generatorblue Why is is called the Haitian alternator.Its kind of offensive to me.
kinggstatus 5 months ago
@kinggstatus 1) It is an original design. 2) The person who built it was born in Haiti. 3) It is built in the traditions of Haitian innovators who despite a scarcity of material find ways to transform tin cans from can food into many items like kerosene lamps etc. 4) Too frequently people on the island describe a clever fellow as being too smart for Haiti. 5) Because it could inspire people like you to build a better one. Please explain why you are offended.
generatorblue 5 months ago
@generatorblue It offenses me because I seen Haiti its mostly generators and friends giving out electricity.Haiti is a devastating place and No offense it just looks weird.I just can't say it without offending you/creator.But im not a hater.
kinggstatus 5 months ago
@kinggstatus I have been using bicycle wheels to build my small alternators to generate electricity because they can be found anywhere on this planet. Even when the wheel is rusted it still can be used in my designs. I also make sure that I only use hand tools. Most people build alternators in machine tools that cost a lot of money. As I was leaving Haiti, I asked what could I bring with me to represent Haiti? The answer was a bottle of rum. Haiti is in my mind when I build something useful.
generatorblue 5 months ago
damn... you talk too much!
spectrospirit 5 months ago
@spectrospirit I do not know why I talk too much. I know why I talk too slow when I record a video. I do not want people to stop and rewind the video because they missed something that were said.
There is another Youtube channel more famous than mine with a gentleman who is famous for ceiling fan alternators. I once sent him a message with the following title: "You talk too much and you work too hard".
I suggest that you search for "how to ceiling fan wind?” If you like me, you will love MMM
generatorblue 5 months ago
you can make it spin by it self for ever and ever if you just add magnets they will go opposite from eachother and capish
MrBabyboy915 6 months ago
Have you tried to measure the power being generated by a reasonable wind speed?
An AA battery can make an LED blink for weeks, how much voltage and current are you actually generating.
With no iron core on the windings, its probably not very much: milliwatts!
MrHobiecat 9 months ago
@MrHobiecat You are certainly right about the power. This first prototype was made to demonstrate the mechanical setup. I have not yet built any alternator with iron core coils but I will. Lately, I shifted my attention from original alternator design to transforming ceiling fans to alternators because they deliver a lot more power for less money. Eventually another more efficient version of the Haitian alternator will follow. I appreciate your suggestion. I am struggling with stator building.
generatorblue 9 months ago
@MrHobiecat I forgot to mention that is is not an LED but a 3-volt flashlight bulb with some tape or wire wrapped around it.
generatorblue 9 months ago
@generatorblue IF you are flashing a 3v light bulb with air core windings, that is pretty good. The trick for wind generators is to get them to spin at low wind speeds. With iron core windings, you get much more power output BUT the magnets will be attracted to the iron cores and will tend to stick to them. There will be a minimum wind speed to break the magnets free from the iron core windings.With air core windings this doesnt happen, but the power is much lower...
MrHobiecat 9 months ago
@generatorblue ..so to get the same power output with air core windings, you need many more windings on the armatures.
I like your approach, I have a 27" wheel with tape/spoke blades spinning by my watergarden. All it does now is scare away the Blue Herons so they dont eat my Koi, but I do have a small 5W solar panel from Harbor Freight ($35 on sale) that charges a 4Ahr jell cell. On a sunny day it gets enough charge to run a 14W florescent 12V camplight for about 3 hours.,,
MrHobiecat 9 months ago
@generatorblue ... I would like to combine a bike wheel generator to cover the cloudy days. One thought, where I live the wind is out of the W 80% of the time, and out of the east 15% of the time, so I could mount the wheel fixed to catch a W or E wind, and that removes a lot of complexity from the mounting setup.
Keep us posted on the ceiling fan conversions, I have you in my favorites list - nice work, and nicely done.
MrHobiecat 9 months ago
@MrHobiecat Please take a look at my ceiling fan alternators videos on the "generatorblue" channel. Also look at the wire mesh wind turbine videos and the" wind and catamaran on a river turbine" video that gives the construction details of the wire mesh wind turbine. I am trying to improve everything that is original in my videos. It is a slow process because I am trying not to build custom parts. I am trying to build with parts that already exist and that are affordable. Thanks for the comments
generatorblue 9 months ago
@generatorblue one last thought, if you measure the power coming off your generators, you will need a scope, or at least a Fluke 97 that measures true RMS power. The reason is the energy is pulsing, and with the large gaps between magnets you have to average in the dead time. The useful number is true RMS power, from which you can calculate how quickly it will charge a battery, or how many amp-hours is being produced for a steady wind speed....
MrHobiecat 9 months ago
try the same setup, but put some blade, and let wind turn it..no need to spin it :D
CarlosWever 9 months ago
@CarlosWever I usually post a video of the first prototype and after that I try to improve the design.
Once I establish that the mechanical setup is valid, I make it public in order for other people to improve it. The basic idea is that bicycle wheels are available anywhere on earth. FYI, the wires are covered with black electric tape around the rim. I will be building a stronger model that can handle the elements. I have found "standard parts" to improve this project but not all that I need.
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indibry 9 months ago
I have a question, in a regular car alternator there is an exciter that sends a bit of electricity, to the coil in order to get the alternator up and running. Don't you also need one? Or how does it work?
TonyFbaby87 11 months ago
@TonyFbaby87 Hi, electricity is generated when coils (loops) of wire travel through magnetic fields.
The magnetic field in this setup is created by the permanent magnets facing each other. The car alternator does not have permanent magnets. Instead it creates a magnetic field with a coil (electromagnet) and an exciter current. In a set of coils create the magnetic field while another set of coils travel through the magnetic field.
The magnetic field varies with the strength of the exciter.
generatorblue 11 months ago
@TonyFbaby87 you can put a magnet in the center of an alternator replacing the magnetic coil . so you do not need the stater . just replace it with somthing that always has a magnetic field . like a magnet . then wire up a 12 volt 12 amp bettery to avariable resister to a 6 volt electtric motor to turn the alternator uses say a power wheels motor . and collect the extra. put some back in the 12 volt battrery with a controler that dont need power to run like a solar controler .
theonethatgoofs 9 months ago
Great job! Beautifully built, nice elegant design! Will you be putting blades onto the face of another wheel to drive it?
CaptBart 11 months ago
@CaptBart Aye Aye captain! When I built it, my plan was to build blades attached to a bicycle rim (Rim only without spokes) of the same diameter as the wheel that hold the magnets (the rotor). Maybe when you said "the face of another wheel" you mean another rim. Once your blades are mounted to another rim, you can connect the turbine to the alternator rim-to-rim.
generatorblue 11 months ago
@generatorblue Yes this was one way, i was talking but also, I suppose you could mount them to the rim of the inner or magnetized, wheel you already have?
CaptBart 11 months ago
@CaptBart Yes, you could mount them to the rim at an angle. Then, you will decide to make it an "upwind" or "downwind" machine. My "windmill on wheel" video is depicting a downwind machine that does not require a yaw. The "Hollow tomato cage turbine" has a yaw. If you are building a model, do not hesitate to ask more questions.
generatorblue 11 months ago
@generatorblue Oh, Ok, I get what what you're doing. Sorry, I misunderstood. Good luck w/ this, looking forward to seeing it working!
CaptBart 11 months ago
I enjoy your designs.
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
@DancingSpiderman I can improvise with man-made mechanical parts but I need help with the electromagnetic aspects.
generatorblue 1 year ago
@generatorblue You definitely got it down Philippe; a time-varying (moving) magnetic field creates an electrical field, and a time-varying electrical field creates a magnetic field.
Moving magnets past a nearby coil creates current flow through the coil. Would be nice to be able to see the coil current/voltage waveform on an oscilloscope , so that an effective power conditioning circuit could be designed to best exploit the current that is created.
I'll keep on enjoying your creations.
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
@DancingSpiderman Hi! I got some things but I have a long way to go. The cost for the magnets in my original designs is still too high. I need to stop using air core coils. Since magnet wire is not cheap either, recycled ceiling fan alternators takes care of the magnet wire cost. I am always looking for ways to improve my original prototypes but I will use the cheapest way to generate the most power. I have a better chance at improving my original wire mesh wind turbine and drive fan alt. soon.
generatorblue 1 year ago
I usually show one phase in my original alternator prototypes. I just want to demonstrate the mechanical setup. I did look for ready-made coils but could not find anything that thin. They are between 5/16 and 3/8 thin with a diameter of 2 inches. I usually get bored winding coils.
Vous pouvez faire un model avec beaucoup plus de "coils." Il semble que vous avez des outilles pour construire des machines electric.
I will revisit this design. I will try again with fewer magnets and more coils.
generatorblue 1 year ago
@generatorblue
Hello, the principles are very simple but your construction is far to complicated and also under higher load highly dangerous. With increasing speed and load the magnets will be attracted to the coil and damage your set-up. Use a wind turbine alternator. You have only two disks sitting on top of each other. Much more control and save. No gearing required either. Simple example from engramiwar
TheOldScientist 1 year ago
@generatorblue
Hello, the principles are very simple but your construction is far to complicated and also under higher load highly dangerous. With increasing speed and load the magnets will be attracted to the coil and damage your set-up. Use a wind turbine alternator. You have only two disks sitting on top of each other. Much more control and save. No gearing required either.
TheOldScientist 1 year ago
put more coils. you have enoug magnets
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breeannaqktjbl 1 year ago
I wanted to build one with longer magnets but found out that the longer stornger magnets needed more restraining forces at the base. I then placed a wooden cube at the base and used a small hose clamp to tightly join the magnets' endpoints to the wooden block. At the same time I am trying to find ways to use fewer magnets because they are not cheap. You can get more power with fewer magnets with a ceiling fan alternator. I will try to copy the ceiling fan design if I build another alternator.
generatorblue 1 year ago
thats cool man good work makes me wanna build one too
RAM4486 1 year ago
hey! Hi Haiti!!
i would like to add comment here because the work looks great and i bieleve haitian people need your help especialy at the moment... but it s a pity to use these magnet this way (they are so expensive ;o)
u should try to add 9 coils 72mm dia /22mm (round shape) and 12 PM neo 50mm dia /15mm... stick the 9 coils arround the stator with 1mm spacing in betwin, the magnets gets 12mm spacing... I bieleve u could easily get arround 1 or 2 KW with a nice vertical axis
Thank s for postin
billmalta1 1 year ago
@billmalta1 Hello! I really appreciate your comments. My main focus is on finding ways to generate electricity with bicycle wheels and bicycle wheel hubs in particular. I do the lab work and hope that other people will improve the design. Watch my videos on transforming ceiling fans. They yield more power with fewer magnets. One video shows an electric scooter motors that is a generator.
I am still trying to come up with more efficient original designs and can use all the help. Send me mail!
generatorblue 1 year ago
Thank you, brother.
woodthink 1 year ago
@woodthink I thank you as well. My original alternator designs deliver small amount of power. I have been getting more power by transforming ceiling fans into alternators. Just like bicycle wheels, ceiling fans can be found all over the world. I will keep trying. I believe that Haiti needs "Museums of Standard Parts."
I have no doubt that the creative minds of the Haitian people will be creating new objects with these old parts.
generatorblue 1 year ago
@generatorblue: Merite. I believe that you will accomplish this goal. I'm amazed that the whole island chain hasn't been able to harvest the heat/light energy of the sun. I wish I could offer the same type of ingenuity.
woodthink 1 year ago
@woodthink Thank you! It is clear that rich countries will be going green first.
"Solar" has no moving parts and no costly towers. With people connecting directly to the grid without the use of storage batteries, green energy has a great future. The islands should acquire the technical knowledge through their universities and/or Youtube. I have learned most of what I know on the Internet. With lots of failures, I only display what works. Lots of honest "youtubers" put their failures on display.
generatorblue 1 year ago
Brilliant Work! Thank you for sharing with the world!
YoLninYo 1 year ago
Very nice work. Enjoyed watching.
auroraron 2 years ago
I thank you.
generatorblue 2 years ago
I love to see creative re-purposing. Thanks for explaining your reason for the large size as I was wondering what you were hoping to achieve. Noise is an often overlooked problem.
4sineweaver2 2 years ago
I have been trying to help people generate electricity even when they do not have access to sophisticated tool.
The precision work can be found in the wheels even when they are rusted.
I hope that you also watched the "messy coil winding" video clip.
On the other hand, I always try to improve the things that others or I make.
I now want to build a very efficient alternator that is not heavy has a smaller diameter and gets more power with less magnets. I am just a mechanical improviser.
generatorblue 2 years ago
@generatorblue Hello, the principles are very simple but your construction is far to complicated and also under higher load highly dangerous. With increasing speed and load the magnets will be attracted to the coil and damage your set-up. Use a wind turbine alternator. You have only two disks sitting on top of each other. One with coils and one with the magnets. Much more control and save. No gearing required either and run silent when encased.
TheOldScientist 1 year ago
@TheOldScientist You are right about the direct relationship between speed and attraction force on the coil. When it happened, I could not explain it to myself. It feels good to get some help from a real scientist.
I found a way to really secure the magnets. In my older "magic rotor" design. I subdivided disks into slices and reduced the danger to people assembling the alternator. I prefer the ceiling fan design. My coils are not well secured. I would like to insert them in a solid metal ring.
generatorblue 1 year ago