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To clarify your statement.

Lee Teng-hui was not the president of "Taiwan." He was the president of China. To be more specific, the Republic of China.

Taiwan does not have a president. That's because Taiwan is a province of a nation, and not a nation.

Theoretically the ROC is a "mutli-party democracy." But the reality was that under LTH and CSB, it was a kleptocracy lorded over by imperial presidencies who did whatever they damn well pleased regardless of constitutional limits.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

Hence, and I quote "Taiwan Independence was born out of necessity an Enlightenment, self realization"

And as you have wrote, Lee Teng-Hui was president of "Taiwan", He was the president of China, To be more specific, the Republic of China.

I would like to see, Current President Ma, exercise his presidential power, over Republic of Mongolia, and People Republic of China. we both knew that it is impossible.

Your dream its equivalent to 宋帝昺.

gmrwawa 4 months ago

@gmrwawa

You misquoted me. I did not say:

Lee Teng-hui was the president of "Taiwan."

I said that because Taiwan is not a nation. Taiwan does not have a president. Taiwan is a province of the Republic of China.

Taiwan independence advocates want Taiwan to be a nation. That's why they demand the so-called "rectification of names and the authoring of a new constitution."

But that is simultaneously an admission that Taiwan is not a nation.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and so are you. I respect that. And I also respect that, from across the strait, the norm tends to view everything in Taiwan as collective property of Mainland China.

I was born Taiwanese and take pride in being a citizen in the country of Taiwan. You obviously are against this notion. However, I hope you weigh-in my perspective and realize that we have differences, rather than making your perspective a matter of fact.

Peace :)

dwangaa 4 months ago

The hallmark of the Taiwan independence zealot is his hypocrisy. He self-righteously assumes everyone on Taiwan must accept "Taiwan independence" as he defines it.

He whines incessantly about how brute force from Beijing is the sole obstacle in the way of Taiwan independence -- as he defines it.

He blanks out the fact that brute force from Han Chinese on Taiwan is the sole obstacle in the way of genuine Taiwan independence -- as Taiwanese Aborigines would have it.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

Instead of whining about Taiwanese wishing to seek Independence, I think Chinese in the mainland need to ask themselves a question, "Why Taiwanese do not wish to be reunite?" If mainland Chinese are open minded and actually put their mind in others' shoes, the answer to this question is not that hard. China today is a shithole thanks to the CCP, even the mainland Chinese themselves is migrating out by masses, why would Taiwan want to be reunite with such a nation?

Balencian 4 months ago

Your comment is so tiresomely predictable in its "inside the box" thinking.

If you think in these narcissistic "me, me, me" terms, of course you will arrive at exactly these "I'm alright, Jack" conclusions.

One fifth of the human race lives on the Chinese mainland. It has been victimized by CCP misrule.

Should it be left to the mercy of the PRC government? Wouldn't it be better ruled by the ROC?

thechinadesk 4 months ago

So if Taiwan is reunited under PRC government, who do you think will rule Taiwan and China. Obviously the PRC, so instead of giving Taiwan to PRC, you should support their independence, if you really love the ROC.

The greatest obstacle is that you do not understand your thinking is "inside the box"; right now, PRC control everything like a thug, and this is not going to change in the near future. Instead of benefiting Commies, think how to damage them.

Balencian 4 months ago

Don't you TI zealots ever get tired of erecting straw men to knock down?

I have several blogs. Some over 10 years old, with thousands of blog entries. Never once in any of them have I ever advocated allowing the Taiwan region of China to be controlled by the CCP.

I am a Deep Blue advocate of reunification. Not a Red advocate of reunification. Reunification must be under the Constitution of the Republic of China, not the PRC.

Stop making assumptions unsupported by the facts.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

Hmm, perhaps you should try pressing President Ma and his KMT associates to make a strong stance against the Reds. As far as what I see, it is the blues that are backing down and not the Greens.

Just because I opposed your view, does not automatically a TI (stigmatizing opposing voices is what generate the TI in the first place). I am actually an admirer of Dr. Sun Yat Sen and would love a ROC unification. Yet, this is not going to happen with the current KMT admin.

Balencian 4 months ago

Glad you would love Chinese reunification under the terms of the ROC Constitution. In that case, we have no disagreement.

Now there is the big question of how to achieve it. Admittedly it is a little bit like trying to put the bell on the cat. But it is actually more realistic than TI.

As even Chen Shui-bian conceded in a moment of rare honesty, "If it [TI] can't be done, it can't be done."

thechinadesk 4 months ago

Well, first is first, Ma Ying Jeou and the KMT need to be stronger on the Reds than the Greens. The Greens want independence, which cannot be done unless majority of TW want it (majority support status quo). The KMT should just fix Taiwan first, and exert some influences in places that have very strong pro-ROC sentiment (like HK), and wait for PRC's economy to collapse (Which def will in our lifetime) and slowly take over.

Balencian 4 months ago

None of this matters to TI.

Many who sympathize with TI don't realize that TI is not really about "freedom, democracy, and human rights."

TI is about "creating a Taiwanese, not Chinese ethnic and political identity." It is about primitive tribalism.

TI pays insincere lip service to "freedom, democracy, and human rights" to attract international sympathy. But if you have ever attended a Deep Green political rally, it will be abundantly clear that is not their real bottom line.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

I really don't see TI as much of a threat, many TI are simply driven by Commiephobism. Once PRC fall, and democracy restored, TI will probably lose significant support and even if TI do win, I doubt genocide/cultural oppression will happen in any scale comparable to a Chicom takeover*.

We need to understand Chicom love to divide/conquer (just like they did to HK), as a result, ROC supporters should work with TI supporters to stop them. Remember the larger threat.

Balencian 4 months ago

Actually the "commies" have already conceded defeat. Do you see any communes on the Chinese mainland today?

TI is no longer as great a threat to the well being of the public on Taiwan as it was when LTH and CSB were in power.

Nevertheless it is still a greater threat to peace and prosperity than the CCP.

Beijing feels no need to take military action against the ROC. It only feels a need to take action against a potential "ROT."

thechinadesk 4 months ago

I think we have different interpretation of commies, the commies today is even worse than those of the 1930s. At least, the commies those day encompasses liberals, and intellectuals that really wish to end corruption and inequality; only a small fraction under Mao were truly radicals that incite violence and wish to enslave the people, it is unfortunate those are the one that prevail within the CCP.

Today, most of the commies are those that are following Mao and his lackies.

Balencian 3 months ago

In my opinion, if a person is a true Communist that follow Marxism ideology, he would not have been the enemy of ROC. Remember Sun Yat Sen himself is a socialist and Chiang Chingkuo is a trokyists. It is Stalinist like Mao Zedong and many of the CCP members today that are the enemy of the people, Chinese, and mankind in general. Unless they are wiped out, I don't think there will be peace for ROC.

Balencian 3 months ago

@you guys should totally run for president.

screwusernames0O0 3 months ago

Having identiy-loss is a really crappy feeling. You feel worthless and confused of who you really are. But hints of sovereignty comes with a gleam of hope, a ray that brightens one's self-identity. LTH & CSB are politicians. They thrive on opportunity. And naturally, they spearheaded the movement and give hope to many. In this case, your comments attack not the movement nor the politician, but slights a people's wishes. A big mistake that KMT and Beijing strategizes.

dwangaa 4 months ago

It is indeed. But seeking the wrong "solutions" will only get individuals and collectives into even more trouble.

During the 1930s, the German people were furious about the Versailles Treaty. Frankly, they were right to be.

But their "solution" was no solution at all. The politician who made them feel good by atavistic appeals to ethnic and national identity, left the nation in ruins.

Popular is not the same as right or wise.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

If in Taiwan independence you see Hitler in ethnic uprising (social status played a big part too, I'm sure you know this), someone else out there might have seen Gandhi with a missed opportunity. Here goes your parallel examples.

I just hope you could spare some gunfire. You seem like a well-thought out guy with an extensive arsenal of vocabulary. Nice, but just spare the ammo of hate.

dwangaa 4 months ago

So opposition to the politics of hate is hate?

Don't you know you can't fool reality merely by being "clever?"

The universe knows. I know. Even you know.

Enough said. I think this horse is dead.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

@thechinadesk A really smart guy you are and probably got a nice degree, but you're not gonna win any votes from the opposition this way..... :(

dwangaa 4 months ago

Winning votes is not my concern. I am an independent observer. Not anybody's campaign consultant. My concern is to speak the truth, regardless of the consequences.

My concern is not to be clever, or to win arguments.

None of that matters. What matters is to sort out the facts, and to see the Big Picture, no matter how ugly that picture might be.

A proper course of action is only possibly after one understands what is really going on.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

I am from Hong Kong, although I affiliated myself with the Republic of China and Sun Yat Sen's ideals, I do not blame you guys for seeking Independence. The Kuomintang had done wrong to the Taiwanese and the CCP and many mainland Chinese do not show signs they will treat the Taiwanese kindly after they are reunited. As an old Chinese proverb says, you guys "have the mandate to revolt", especially such a tyrannic regime like the CCP who never self reflects.

Balencian 4 months ago

Taiwan's been part of "China" as a territory since over a thousand years ago, long before ROC and the Qing Dynasty, so for her to come out and state such a statement means she's denying historical past. The ROC didn't "come into" Taiwan from the "outside", Taiwan was always its territory. The ROC simply relocated their government and capital to Taiwan after its defeat out of the mainland in 1949. It'd be like the USA government moving to NYC and NY calling them foreign.... which is absurd.

galeon110 4 months ago

@galeon110

Quite right.

Taiwan has been part of China for centuries, since the Ming dynasty at least.

Taiwan independence fanatics deliberately conflate "nation" with "government."

But anybody who knows anything about history or political science, understands that nation and government are entirely different concepts.

Every nation on earth has had many governments. But they remain the same nation despite repeated changes in their governments.

thechinadesk 4 months ago

My parents are from Taiwan, and just by looking at her, she might as well be the next Sarah Palin because all she will accomplish is Armageddon in Taiwan...

HumanSpiritz 4 months ago

""""Tsai, the DPP, and the Taiwan independence movement, however, knowingly and deliberately misrepresent these abuses. They misrepresent them as abuses committed by "one tribe against another, different tribe." As abuses committed by "one people against another, different people." As abuses committed by "mainlanders against natives." And ultimately, as abuses committed by "Chinese against Taiwanese." """""

that's actually true...

oneangryterrorist 7 months ago

she's taiwanese. not chinese. that's what she's trying to say. she's pro independence. so what?

oneangryterrorist 7 months ago

@oneangryterrorist

she is a anti china bitch !

goldenkey007 6 months ago

@goldenkey007

Tsai Ing-wen preaches hate. She classifies citizens of the Republic of China, on Taiwan and the Mainland, as "Taiwanese," hence "good," or "Chinese," hence "evil."

Is it necessary to point out this is not the mark of a humanist?

If Tsai genuinely believes people on the Chinese mainland are victims of intolerable political oppression, shouldn't she be doing her utmost to liberate them from oppression, instead of villifying them as "The Enemy?"

thechinadesk 5 months ago