I've heard of your book AD Richard and it's an interesting topic and related to another interesting topic, estimating the ufo situation, piecing it all together. You're probably my favorite 'ufologist' but there is one aspect of UFOs that I have curiously overlooked until recently and I think you may not have focused much on either and that is the abductions. which if true tells us so much because it's up close and detailed.
so one question comes to mind, what do you make of the telepathy?
I still see no reason for secrecy. At all. Whatsoever. It's not even a 'shocker'. Big news is big news.
The only things that should remain secret are our sex lives and bathroom breaks.
If 'they' can disable our most advanced war planes but don't come around turning off super computers etc. I think it's safe to say they're pretty cool entities and are looking out for us dumb monkeys.
Let's show them some respect and stop fighting needless wars and start repairing earth.
@dahur I see by this quote you posted that he loves to threaten people when he can't win at a logical debate. And when that doesn't work he always thinks that marking your post as spam can help. No wonder he stays in so much trouble all the time.
"dahur, I've warned you. And I don't repeat my warnings. I am used to act."
SHOLVA AKA debrainasher, dahurHunter, lllwindrunner. and many other user names
" Imitation, injection of false or insinuated information into information networks are accepted INTEL-means and intended to create confusion.
Since my known screennames are worn out, I consider to launch a new set. What would you say about the name «dahuг»? (No, the last letter isn't a 'r'. It's the cyrillic small 'g' -> г)"
-Sholva AKA lllwindrunner
"UFO Multiple activity over Melbourne Australia June 2nd 2011"
Posted under UFO Multiple activity over Melbourne Australia June 2nd 2011
@dahur The only possible conclusion that can be drawn from your notorious behaviour to attempt character assassination by quoting compromizing out-of-context quotes is, you ran out of arguments. Although I can understand your exo-religious feelings, it might be a surprising fact for you, but astrobiology is a scientific topic; bound to the accepted rules of a scientific proof.
"We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area. A high ranking Air Force officer said- Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report."
~ Captain Robert Salas, US Air Force-
Discussing UFOs being reported by our military over missile sites in sync with power outs in a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program in 2001. Also later dicussed with a military panel in a CNN, LKL interview.
Monitoring the airspace and deploying flying machines are military- and intelligence service tasks - and not that of ordinary cititzens. It's not a coincidence, a suitable security clearence and need to know is required to become eligible for this kind of information. Every nation has the legitimate right to keep military secrets; particularly, when international security is affected. Therefore, every petition, that addresses the UAP/technology issue is a waste of time and a pontless job.
@llIwindrunner Sorry but you're only partially right. No government (or agency operating illegally outside of any government's control and oversight) has ever had any right to keep *the wrong kinds of secrets* from it's people. Remember military officials have big concerns about the securiy of it's own nation regarding these non-miliary craft that fly over thier missile sites.
"Government works best under the glare of public scrutiny. Absent such scrutiny, abuses occur."
@jklinne8 "....government (or agency operating illegally outside of any government's control and oversight)..." I hat to be the bearer of bad news again, but you colport exo-ufoistical mainstream misbeliefs. No agency operates on its own. Such claims are required as apparently plausible prerequisites for exo-ufoistical conspiracytainment publishers to to make their assumptions more believable, the govt would know everything about (alleged) ETs. References to self-proclaimed 'whistleblowers'...
(ff2)...are nonsensial too. Correct ist, exo-ufoistical publishers use means of manipulative reporting and menticidation in a quite extensive and convincing manner. Even real unsuspecting officials, like e.g. John Podesta, Robert Salas, etc. have been fooled by exo-ufoistical publishers. Real scientists and engineers however are committed to facts, backed up by hard and unambigous proof. You can accept it or not, but state secrets are legitimate - and legal. [e.g. National Security Act, 1947]
"Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitude and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major US defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles."
~ Dr. H Marshall Chadwell, former assistant director of the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence, in a December, 1952 memo to then-director of the CIA, General Walter B. Smith.
We've seen a dwindling band of debunkers making loud definitive claims about having solved what a major case UFO is with zero proof to show while most of the population has mainly formed a speculative opinion or hypothesis about UFOs and not made claims of proof. We should be free to speculate about UFOs without harassment as well as be allowed open government investigations to solve them. That's a civilized and logical path toward widely accepted proof and resolving what a given UFOs really is.
@jklinne8: Plenty of phenomena go unexplained, and of course we are free to speculate as to what they are. Govts frankly are not going to waste taxpayers' money investigating a light in the sky from 1989. We might ask "What is the most likely explanation?" and that they are alien spacecraft ranks close to the bottom of possibilities, along with faerie-saucers and leprechaun-modules. Your comment re debunkers having zero proof is staggeringly ironic.
@GreenDistantStar Here in the USA when any sort of large flying craft has been confirmed on radar as well as seen by pilots and as yet unidentified as a drone from another country or anything else and without even so much as correct running lights or a call number, (basically breaking all kinds of FAA safety regulations) it is then a flight safety risk and or national security risk- Especially when that UFO can out race our own military pilots who've been ordered to chase after it.
@jklinne8: @jklinne8: So they get reported, no-one can confirm what they are, gotcha. Now make the connection between that and demands for 'disclosure', which necessarily implies govts actually know what they are, and are hiding that info.
@GreenDistantStar Read what's being said instead of creating falsified and off the point arguments. They wear very poorly on you. I've never said that a UFO can never be confirmed but that people are being denied a proper investigation to do that and this petition being discussed in the video is *not about a disclosure*. I and many others have also not claimed the origin of UFO. So you're the one who needs to connect some dots or perhaps try to work a bit harder on your reading comprehension.
Its funny, they say the "US goverment" has no evidence, but the private billionare contracters do!!!!! Just let us befriend the aliens and get it over with
If this was a civil court, where a preponderance of the evidence is necessary for a judgement. Then it is easy to see how there is proof that UFO's do exist and we are being visited by beings from another world.
@sonofmabarker: How did they migrate from 'Unidentified' to "..easy to see...that UFOs do exist and we are being visited by beings from another world."? You seem to have made an enormous jump from 'know nothing' to 'know a lot'. It's called 'the argument from ignorance'.
@GreenDistantStar The evidence is "easy to see". Words that may help you out in this case are: radar, audio, video, documents, confessions, interviews, astronauts, pilots, presidents, governors, testimony, Brazil, Canada, Iran, Belgium, China, America, Mexico, England, Spain, Moon, and Austraila.
@sonofmabarker: The evidentiary requirements for science are much greater than for court trials. Mere testimony is NOT scientific proof, a simple fact most grade-schoolers can understand.
So multiple witness sightings involving multiple witnesses from many vantage points on the air and ground corroborated by radar confirmation is equivalent to what farmer Bob says he saw out in his corn field last Tuesday? There is a gradient of probability you are ignoring here that carries weight. I do disagree with those that argue eye witness testimony is proof.
@SophistAssassin: None of which relates to the issue, which is this demand for 'disclosure'. This demand is to prove a negative, which is impossible, thus the demand can be maintained in perpetuity. Do I really need to provide a Logic 101 lesson here? Am I dealing with high-school dropouts? I hope not, but the internet does allow those who fell asleep or threw spitballs in high-school to now attempt to tell the rest of us how reality works.
@GreenDistantStar Project Bluebook, our governments only so called official UFO investigation has long since been admitted to be no more than a propaganda spin by it's very own team leads. Major Robert J Friend, who headed up Project Bluebook from 1958 onward, has publicly stated that Bluebook was never even adequately founded to study UFOs but was instead on a mission to "re educate" the public about what it wanted to say UFOs were. Like Alan Hynek, he has stated this on camera to reporters.
I copy and pasted the exact wording of the petition for you previously, multiple times. It says nothing about disclosure. It demands a further *investigation* of UFO reports with access to documents, immunity granted to witnesses and for the results to made public. Read it again and stop repeating the same straw man. Your condescension isn't appreciated.
@SophistAssassin: And the name of the web-site is?? Read it again. And as Dolan says, yes, it's a waste of time if you don't believe in them. So Dolan starts with a position of belief, not skepticism, and my condescension is completely apropos.
The wording of the petition is completely appropriate. The authors intentions or beliefs are irrelevant. That's the guilt by association fallacy. "Dolan believes in the ETH and a government cover up; therefore, his petition (no matter how appropriately worded) is no longer valid."
@SophistAssassin: "After Disclosure" is the name of the web site and the name of the book Dolan co-authored, yet you're telling me the vid that started this little exchange has nothing to do with disclosure, and ask me to re-read??? Please, don't try to lecture me about logical fallacies. I teach Philosophy, and at a university that likely wouldn't accept you.
The video promotes the petition. I quoted the petition. I am not aware of whether or not youtube allows url links, but I don't believe so. Either way, it is easy to find. Follow the links and tell me the wording is inappropriate as is. I dont understand the condescension. Especially from a "University professor." I wasn't aware this was a competition. Regardless of your credentials, dismissing the petition on the grounds of the authors beliefs is fallacious.
@SophistAssassin: What's fallacious is the claim that Dolan doesn't believe the US govt is hiding proof. It's in his book, it's in his web-site. The petition's sub-text is clear. There's no competition, but if you want to use logic in any discussion, best you know what you're talking about.
Please supply direct quotations of my statements denying Dolan's belief in a cover up. In fact, I stated the opposite multiple times, including just now. My argument was that his personal beliefs have no relevance to the legitimacy of the petitions requests for further investigation.
@SophistAssassin: Dolan wants (yet another) investigation because he believes the US Govt is covering up,it's that simple. Dolan never states exactly *which* sightings should be investigated, nor does he provide any suggestions as to how such an investigation should be conducted. You're being had, my friend, adding misplaced kudos to a guy with an agenda you apparently can't discern.
So your issue is with Dolan, and not with the legitimacy of the call for further investigation of the UFO phenomenon? My interest in further investigation is completely independent from Dolan and his personal views. Dolan is not my source of justification, he is merely an author to a petition that mirrors my independent sentiments based on a review of official documents and all previous large scale scientific studies conducted on the matter.
@GreenDistantStar If you only wish to talk about what we can all speculate, as a philosophy professor your own speculation (or perhaps even agenda) about UFOs along with your lack of basic education about their history regarding past investigations, flight safety issues, security risk, military actions etc., will never carry as much weight for me or most others as does the speculations and hypothesis of say for example; very well known and highly accomplished scientist such as these....
"In my mind, there is no question that they're out there. My Career is well established. My texts books are required reading in all the major capitals on planet earth. If you want to become a physicist to learn about the unified field theory-you read my books. Therefore, I'm in a position to say: Yes- Most likely they're out there, perhaps even visited, perhaps on our moon." - ABC News Quote
~Professor Michio Kaku, Author of Theoretical Physics UNY
@llIwindrunner ...«Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.»... Yes exactly! Thanks for putting a UFO debunker like Shermer in his place! It's the best confession quote we've ever heard from that particular nowhere man.
@jklinne8 Debunkers provide a valuable service to our society, since they remove tons of bunk from the heads of gullible, misguided and menticized people. It's not a coincidence, serious scientists and engineers are debunkers, because during the medieval dark ages, charlatans manged to argue a whole zoo of mythological creatures into their existence. (Alleged) exo-ufoistical ET-visitors are the space-age unicorns, so to speak. In reality, UAP are misidentified natural or man made phenomena.
@llIwindrunner Nope. Good scientist can be good skeptics but are not career debunkers and in reality, any UFO is a “UFO” until it is properly investigated and identified. Debunkers tend toward claims about having solved what a major case UFO is and yet with no proof to show for their claims while most of the world population has mainly formed a speculative opinion or hypothesis about UFOs and not made claims. Remember- Debunkers such as yourself have even confessed to being pursued by the FBI.
@jklinne8 You've just followed the logical fallacy of the medieval dark ages: Not the process of investigation turns a particular UAP-sighting into a identified phenomenon, but the existence of sufficient and unambigous data. 65 years of (more or less) serious ufoistical research revealed, not one single UAP with sufficient data was extraordinary. Without such data, a UAP remains unidentified; forever. Since no new objective investigation can create new facts, there is no reason to even assume..
(ff2)..the extraordinary nature of a UAP. All studies, that followed accepted scientific methodology, identified hundreds of natural- and man-made phenomena. [UK MoD UAP Report, 2001]. Many of them were classified military flying machines, indeed. Without a tangible proof, no serious scientist will ever dive into the topic. It's not a coincidence, exo-ufoistical pseudo-scientists, never use real scientific instruments to back up their claims. They rely on anecdotical stories and interpretations.
"When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap."
~ J. Allan Hynek, PhD- Lead scientific investigator for the USA’s only official investigation into UFO’s - Project Bluebook
"The definitive resolution of the UFO enigma will not come about unless and until the problem is subjected to open and extensive scientific study by the normal procedures of established science. “
~ Dr. Peter A. Sturrock, Professor of Space Science and Astrophysics and Deputy Director of the Center for Space Sciences and Astrophysics at Stanford University
You are making important, valid points here. Argument from ignorance is an important fallacy to take into consideration as is the burden of proof. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. However, where I disagree with you is the apparent necessity for "proof" of UFOs being of alien origin in order to justify further investigation, as well as the insinuation that there is no gradient of probability, only a dichotomy of proof and fiction.
@SophistAssassin: UFOs have been investigated for decades, what exactly will be gained by yet another. My issue is the illogical call for 'disclosure' which implies both hidden knowledge and wilful deception. How does one prove one is not hiding something? You can't, so the call is on its face absurd. Yes, there is a gradient of possibility, and with no hard evidence, it's about zero.
"Bomp, bomp, bomp. Another one bites the dust. Bomp,bomp,bomp Another one bites the dust. And another ones gone, another ones gone. Another one bites the dust"
We entrust our lives with airline pilots and people that guard our nuclear missile bases and so many of them have reported UFOs. Radar operators confirm and military and airline pilots report them in snyc with citizens on the ground. Do we want frightened pilots flying us around or people guarding our nuclear weapons if this many of them are really hallucinating? No. So even for a true skeptic this is major news raising questions for the mental competence at critcal jobs OR we investigate UFOs.
To all the ufologists in here that keep endlessly replying to me with your proof for ET...
You all sound the same - hoping for something but have no real proof. Sure, the universe is a big place and there probably is other life out there somewhere, but there still isn't any proof of ET visiting earth. Life is pretty boring on this rock and I understand your fascination with UFOs - I once felt the same way, but what you consider to be evidence I have found to be sadly lacking.
@CaneFu I ask you to point out any words from me from anywhere that shows I claimed proof of the what a UFO represents but you totally failed to turn one up. You aimed your rants and falsified arguments at me and others and act as though you're frightened out of your mind at the possibility of any proper investigation being done to get at whatever is going on with Unidentified Flying Objects. You clearly have no answers as to what UFOs are and zero credibility as well. Yes.. Stay gone this time.
Good god man, you're a troll. I simply asked for proof of ET (none exists) and you just want to argue forever. I have a life to get back to (TGIF), you obviously don't. Now say and believe whatever you want, I don't care - just quit replying to me with your nonsense.
@CaneFu LOL! Thought you said you were gone. If you have plausible explanations for unexplained UFO's reported by airline pilots, radar specialist, military pilots, police officers, etc...We are happy to hear it, but only if the evidence to support the debunking is presented. There have been many times I’ve noticed that the closer to the truth one gets, the more desperate the person(s) trying to conceal the truth will become, thus the intensity and frequency of the ridicule.
The problem was your premise. It seemed to be, "if there is no proof that UFOs are alien in origin, then they are not worth investigating." Of course, proof would defeat the whole purpose of investigation in the first place! Proof of origin is irrelevant to the purpose of the petition in question. You have ignored that point, and all others, throughout the entire discussion. It took decades to obtain proof of "rocks falling from the skies." UFOs are less generous with samples.
"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense."
"Look, I have a pension to worry about. I have a family to take care of, and they told me to just back away from this entirely or else."
Astronaut James Irwin
Apollo 15, to Frank Stranges after backing out of speaking at a 1976 UFO convention where he was going to "inform us of the strange things he saw on the surface of the moon."
"We had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."
Dr J Allen Hynek Blue Book
"When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap."
@NocturalRyte "Skeptics, who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon in the name of 'rationalism,' are among the primary contributors to the rejection of science by the public… When a so-called expert tells them the object must have been the moon or a mirage, he is really teaching the public that science is impotent or unwilling to pursue the study of the unknown."
People sometimes think of government like it's a singular entity. The government, president or not, is still comprised of many self-acting factions. Some good, some bad, some following orders saying things that don't fit the data. The majority of educated people now feel there's been deliberate misinformation and bogus investigations regarding many major UFO cases. Debunkers have failed for over 64 years to show us proof of their elaborate or silly claims for these kinds of important UFO cases.
@jklinne8: Debunkers haven't failed to do anything, there is no onus on them. Not one shred of hard evidence, just woo-woo, those who are making the claims have the job in front of them. Millions of people over the centuries have claimed to have seen angels, so perhaps we'd better ask the govts of the world to disclose what they are hiding about angels. When they refuse, ah hah! The calls for angel disclosure could run indefinitely, ya get it now? NOTHING TO DISCLOSE, NO PROOF.
There is plenty of evidence. What is lacking is proof. Let's not conflate the two. You're neglecting the gradient of probability. There is stronger evidence in support of a material reality to the UFO phenomenon than for the majority of all court cases in this country. Science has higher standards, and rightly so. But to lump sightings of angels in the same category of evidence as UFO sightings (when have angels been tracked on radar?) displays ignorance.
@SophistAssassin: That there have been observed weird things in the sky is not in dispute, I have seen inexplicable things myself. But that does not necessarily imply that govts are hiding anything beyond invoking some national security redaction. The issue of alien visitation is deeply embedded in the UFO meme, and it rates very low on any gradient of probability. That many have seen UFOs is the "40 million Frenchmen can't be wrong!" argument, with a tinfoil hat on, of course.
Proof follows, not precedes, investigation. Lack of proof is reason FOR investigation. So long as the cumulative evidence is of high enough caliber, or the nature of the phenomenon poses particular safety risks, to justify investigation. All large scale scientific studies on UFOs have turned up startling results in favor of a material phenomenon. From Report 14 to the Cometa report. Can the same be said for angel sightings? The comparison is incompatible.
@SophistAssassin: Safety risks are zero based upon injuries/fatalities by 'impact by alien craft'. Lack of proof of what? Govt docs or the thing you are looking for? You don't know what you're looking for and there is no hard evidence of its existence other than 'cumulative evidence' which is mostly testimony. When there's some hard evidence, let me know, until then, it's just gibberish by internet talking heads.
"The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism. If a competent witness reports having seen something tens of degrees of arc in size (as happens) and the scoffer, who of course was not there -- offers Venus or a high altitude weather balloon as an explanation, the requirement of extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim falls on the proffered negative claim as well."
@GreenDistantStar No it's not. You're just trying to avoid the fact that any claim made by anyone on any side of anything needs to be backed up with proof for that claim. This includes all the debunkers who've failed to show proof of thier own claims for major case UFOs for decades.
“There are people who said they saw things and whenever that happens they deserve at least n investigation.”
~ Senator John McCain being asked about UFO’s in a radio interview on KFYI Phoenix, Arizona June 25, 1997
@jklinne8: No, when someone makes a claim, it is up to them to substantiate it. There is no equal, countervailing requirement for the party hearing of the claim to prove the claim false. Scientists who submit papers for peer review are required to offer falsifiable arguments *of their own position*. Do you see how fundamentally different it is to have to provide circumstances for which your own argument could be invalidated? And you want others to disprove your claims? Think about it..
Ok- Thousands of citizens including trained military pilots, airline pilots, generals and goverment officials have NOT "claimed" anything about UFO's other than they need to be properly investigated due to obvious flight safety and/or national security risk. Even for those who've speculated or made claims of swamp gas or ET have still been repeatedly denied a proper investigation to "substantiate" any major case UFO claims. I've not made any claims of a UFOs origin. Have you??
Official secrecy and ridicule is standard policy. From the harsh regulations of JANAP 146 to the recommendations of the CIA's Robertson Panel (official documents available from govt) of "training and debunking" and using easily solvable cases to make intentional generalizations. That needs to end.
A poll of astronomers conducted by Hynek found that a good percentage of them had seen UFOs and a much larger percentage took them very seriously, but admitted fear of ridicule and loss of funding.
"A poll of astronomers conducted by Hynek found that a good percentage of them had seen UFOs and a much larger percentage took them very seriously, but admitted fear of ridicule and loss of funding"
It is statements like this that conspiracy theorists like you keep making that bother me. What poll, where, when? You don't cite any credible source and if all the astronomers are anonymous it is worthless. It's illogical as a quality video could blow the lid off.
Hynek mentioned it in his book. It was a small survey of 44 colleagues of whom 5 admitted sightings. It inspired him to conduct a more thorough survey for CUFOS published in 1980 including 1,800 astronomers for which 24% claimed sightings. There were two other surveys conducted with members of the AAIA and AAS by Dr. Peter Sturrock with similar results.
"Hynek mentioned it in his book...small survey...5 admitted sightings...24% (of 1800) claimed sightings"
That's it, that's all u got? Hearsay evidence such as this is not even admissible in small claims court. Honestly, u have nothing here. Just admit that u believe in ET simply because u WANT to - nothing wrong with that. But don't post in here saying there's evidence for alien visitations because there isn't.
No, that's not all the evidence there is. This is youtube, there is a character limit. Astronomer sightings weren't used as proof of ET visitation. I cited them to disprove the misconception that astronomers never report sightings. Demanding proof of ET to justify further investigation is pretty silly, don't you think? If we had proof, there would be no investigation. Again, proof of "aliens" is not a prerequisite for investigation.
You missed my point - UFO believers like yourself are very similar to those with religious belief - you have no hard evidence but CHOOSE to believe in this stuff. I don't believe in ET even though I wanted to because I did the investigation for the past few years and found NOTHING but "he said, she said" quotes and conspiracy theories. No decent close-up video or pics exist, no artifacts, NOTHING.
Unless better evidence surfaces I don't believe in ET.
"No decent close-up video or pics exist, no artifacts, NOTHING." I don't think you have done much investigation. If so, you would have uncovered many great pictures, from BEFORE the computer and digital age (eg. Trent photos 1950)
And BTW, anytime a great video or picture comes up, you guys are always howling "Hoax!" "Fake!" I really think if someone handed you guys the keys a ET craft, you'd just call it a Hollywood prop, lol!
Bullshit, I have looked at thousands of fuzzy far away videos and pics right here on YouTube and the internet - anyone can see them right now. How about a nice closeup walk around video of the many UFOs that people claim they have seen on the ground? Send me a link to just one that shows a clear image of an obvious alien UFO that has not been altered in anyway. We only holler "fake" when they obviously are.
"obvious alien UFO that has not been altered in anyway"
Who gets to be the judge of that? You? You guys holler "fake" about everything. Astronauts, military, and civilian pilots are some of the most highly educated, and respected people in the world. When THEY see something highly unusual, it calls for an impartial investigation. I base my judgements on their very credible testimony. Who are you? A nobody who with no credibility at all.
The "Trent photos 1950" have been seriously questioned by impartial experts & are only defended by ufologists like yourself. At best they are fuzzy, far away & one shows a tangle of threads or wire and the lighting is wrong for an evening shot.
The Trent photos are questionable at best. Again I challenge you to send me one link of a closeup walk around shot of a UFO that has supposedly landed here so many times. With most cell phones having video capability there should be many.
Proof or fiction is a false dichotomy. There is enough evidence beyond eye witness testimony by credible trained observers (corroborative radar traces, landing traces, recorded electromagnetic effects etc) to encourage further investigation. That's it. Btw, how often do commercial airlines eject fragments of their surface?
There are, in fact, artifacts that have been tested and found anomalous, but even here it's hard to obtain definitive results: /watch?v=pZF3BfDNAvs
No matter what I send you, or anybody else does, it won't measure up. We have dealt with you debunkers for years and know the agenda. You cry for "evidence" when you don't really want any, now do you? If you are so against ETFO, or UFO events being real, what are doing on these video's? As to the Trent photos, no one has been able to debunk them, though they've tried to, lol.
Here is George Carlin's comparison between UFO "believers" and religious "believers": /watch?v=-kNyPUBPSUk
I thought he put it well. If nothing else, maybe at least it will give you a good laugh.
And for the record, I have never taken video or pictures seriously. Even the best quality ones can be faked and fool experts. As I said earlier, given the nature of the phenomenon, we have about as much evidence as we would expect to have.
@jklinne8 And what you posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Somebody once said to Richard Dolan, "where is the UFO evidence?" His reply, "where do I back up the truck!"
One thing for sure is, if you have proof of ufo's. The last thing to do is contact the government. They will just bury the evidence in some underground vault. Contact Mufon or Stanton Friedman. And use a computer from the library or a pay phone if you can find one LOL.
There is proof. The question is where is it. Case in point The Gordon Cooper Film We know the government had it, but where or what the did with it is where the proof is. They almost certainly will never let the people see it because it would remove all doubt about the issue.
I posted these sentiments on Leslie Kean's wall (regarding this video/topic): the government will never be "petitioned" into investigating this subject in an honest, and, open manner. They can't do it (they would be thwarted at every turn) and for people in power the findings could amount to an abdication of power. ET is real as heck - just ask myself and 5 other co-workers, two of whom were apparently abducted. Sign away - the government will never give this up...
Richard, Thanks for the post and I'll sign it, tho you and I know the rat bastards will never tell the truth, as Kelly Johnson or was it Ben Rich said it so black and deep it would take a act of God!
Been trying to sign your petition now for 2 days now, i can't log into my account or sign up for a new one, starting to get very frustrated now, and i'm betting im not alone.
I used that very account not 2 months back to sign stephen basset's petition.
What are the hopes of getting 25k signatures by the 30th if this kind of thing is going on.
For different reasons, the same goal: disclosure, WE MUST WANT IT in order for it to happen...The right to the truth another fact that makes all of us equal.
Love your work Rick. We need to keep growing in numbers & pushing this topic forward. Having wittnessed a E.T craft RIGHT UP CLOSE I know from 1st hand experience that this topic is a very real one & needs to be taken seriously. The craft I saw was RIGHT OUTSIDE MY HOUSE & in line with my house roof. The craft was complely glowing & was obviously under inteligent control. I have never seen anything like it since or before.
@KidPuja: Did you take a video of it? Any pics? A scraping from its hull? Kinda funny that thousands upon thousands of amateur astronomers worldwide survey the sky every night, yet none of them ever sight a confirmed alien craft. Yet apparently ET is dropping into millions of people's backyards every year, doing weird experiments etc. Something wrong with that picture, can you tell what it is?
That's why Clyde Tombaugh reported a very elaborate sighting himself. You know, the guy that discovered the planet Pluto? Astronomers see UFO's all the time as well, just look it up. There was even an interesting sighting that was well documented in the late 1800's. This is one of many major misconceptions about UFO's.
@GreenDistantStar No I dont have any evidence & I dont really care if you believe me or not. There is evidence out there & there are credible people wittnessing these things, astronomers to.explore MrSon2k's channel & you will find footage or YouTube search ECETI. This is a huge topic which I can not explain in this comment box cause there isnt enough space. What I saw was the most life changing thing ever, was really beautiful & I dont expect u 2 understand that but the e.ts are so beyond us...
@KidPuja: Well when you have some evidence, do let me know. Yes it is a huge subject, credible people say they've seen plenty of things (angels and witches were popular once) but that's not proof.
@GreenDistantStar ... technology and spiritualy. They are not hard nosesdscientists like most scientists on this planet if they want to make themselves known on a global scale then they will but they are still going to people individualy and making their presence known. Believe me you wouldnt be so skeptical if you wittnessed one of these things up close. Go to James Gillilands ranch at lake trout in Washington, spend a night there & you will see some amazing things in the sky.
@KidPuja: So after traveling for years at unimaginable speeds using god-like technology, they somehow can't avoid detection when they arrive at Trout Lake. Think about it. Maybe they're not ETs but from the future? That makes astronomically more sense than the ET explanation. I've seen inexplicable phenomena, beyond Jim's trout-fishing aliens, yet I'm still a skeptic. You have to allow your reason to overcome your feelings and imagination, both potent and persuasive deceivers.
@GreenDistantStar Well thats the thing it wouldnt take years and years. You just have to look at the progress science is making with understanding quantum physics and there is some mind blowing results coming from these experiments that open up the possiblity of instant travel from one point to another point. quantum entaglment is a very interesting part of quantum physics. The e.t's who are millions of years ahead of us will be way more advanced than us & in their evolutionory process will.....
@KidPuja: Any beings capable of what you suggest would have not the least difficulty in remaining undetected, yet they appear to a select few, or crash sometimes e.g Roswell. Dumb huh? In any event, we don't need to discuss reindeer propulsion systems to know that Santa can't make it down hundreds of millions of chimneys. Invoking quantum physics sounds profound, but you might as well say aliens use magic, just like Santa does. One can imagine anything, but that doesn't make it so.
@GreenDistantStar .... have applied these scientific methods to their technology. I wasnt sure wether the e.t's were real or not so I asked out in my thoughts under the night sky if the e.ts could show themselve to me so I could know 100% if they were real and a couple of nights later this AMAZING craft was right outside my house, it wasnt like it was at a distance either, was right above me. I havnt seen anything like it since or be4. Was breath taking & changed my life.
@GreenDistantStar Well I dont like the term very special cause it just seem egotosic & I carnt just summon them on demand cause I would have plenty of footage!. I have only seen one right up close & of course my jaw droped & I felt frozen to the spot & I wish I had a camera back then. They still fly across sky sometimes & I do make sure they are not planes or satellietes 1st & wen i point my laser in sky these glowing objects signal bk by goin dim then bk 2 bein real bright.
Barack Obama either you can make some effort to recognize the people concerns or you can continue acting in denial which your great at.
Either way its not up to you anymore. Other intelligences have their own agenda that are in favor of Disclosing Everything and they will shove you to the side to crash and burn in the history books.
You know that such a petition will not make a difference....Could be useful tho....you can always refer to it when you tell them you did ask them politely.
To admit the knowledge of ufos also would uncover the free energy behind the technology which could be one major reason they dont want to let us know and they would have to admit that theyve had the tech and kept it quiet from us. The corporations of interest would not be able to reap huge profits and would be in their interests also to keep it quiet.
This lays the case out beautifully. Basically, there should be no hurdle to 25,000 signatures. After all, OWS protestors can get pepper-sprayed, the least we can do is take five minutes to sign an Internet petition. We know more than 25,000 Disclosure advocating computer users exist around the world. Let's get them working on this!
I have been investigating"UFOs" for years and there just isn't a single shred of evidence anywhere for alien technology. I am one of those people that would LOVE to find out we are being visited by aliens, I would welcome it as exciting. However, I have to concede that there just isn't any evidence for it - "credible" witnesses mean nothing. I have recently changed my opinion and concede that there are no aliens visiting us - that's the only logical conclusion to come to.
@CaneFu: Yes, I also have come to the same conclusion. The US govt isn't hiding any special knowledge about these phenomena, and no alien technology is in anyone's hands. We should keep an open mind, but unexplained phenomena are just that, remember the 'argument from ignorance'. No hard evidence exists, it's that simple, pleas for 'an investigation' are illogical and self-serving. Aliens? SHOW ME THE MONEY!!
Have you looked at any large scale scientific studies on the subject matter? Project Bluebook's "Special Report 14" did a massive statistical analysis of 3,200 reported cases with striking findings. It was very thorough and contradicts every common conception of UFOs in our culture. The Condon Report, by contrast, a report our govt. references as an excuse not to investigate UFO's further, covered a mere 59 cases of which 30% unidentified. All case files available on web too.
@SophistAssassin: You miss the point. The concept of 'disclosure' presupposes that there is something undisclosed. There is zero proof that any govt has any undisclosed hard evidence of extraterrestrial life. It's logically impossible to prove a negative proposition - prove to me you're not hiding proof of leprechauns and their plans for world domination.
Thanks for the clarification. I disagree that the govt. isn't hiding information because there actually is evidence that they are. We are talking about UFO information, not alien lifeforms per the petition.
1969 -- Bolender Memo. stated UFO reports affecting national security went elsewhere (other than bluebook) in accordance with JANAP 146 & Air Force Manual 55-11. Where are they? We have seen inquiries after bluebook termination such as Tehran, Iran proving interest.
@SophistAssassin: No, none of this is proof of the existence of extraterrestrial craft, alien technology etc. That some govt dept chooses to refuse to disclose or redact is only proof of that, nothing more. The contents of what may or may not be disclosed is by definition, unknown, only the 'argument from ignorance' takes us from 'know nothing' to 'know lots'. No hard evidence, no alien artifacts or bodies, just woo-woo and nutty conspiracy. Move on, folks, nothing to see here..
You're creating a straw man argument and jumping around. I originally argued the legitmacy of the ET *hypothesis*. You insisted I "missed the point." You insisted there was no evidence of information being withheld. I disproved that statement. The petition in question asks for the government to disclose classified investigations regarding UFO incidents. Not once does it say anything about ET lifeforms.
@SophistAssassin: Still missing it. If these govt reports are classified, by gestalt you cannot know their contents. They could be withheld for many reasons, national security the obvious one. Why do so many conspiracy theorists demand their govts have no secrets from them? None of this provides ANY hard evidence of the 'reality' of UFOs, just food for the mis-thought for the gullible. Again, some hard evidence, please.
The point is, they have well over a thousand confirmed classified documents on UFO's. Many of the public, redacted versions omit the sightings completely. In one case, just 3 words can be read on the whole paper. There is a definite method in place for silencing pilots under threat of fine and imprisonment (JANAP 146) as well as a channel for reporting such cases (why?). This is an official, public document.
Arguing "alien proof or nothing" sets up a false dichotomy fallacy.
@SophistAssassin: Don't you see how dumb and illogical it is to ask for 'proof' when you don't even know what it is you are talking about? Redacted documents; so what? That just suggests the govt in question has decided that you shouldn't see it. Why? Dunno, don't care. National security is a go
This is a "grandiose" video. =p
dwinkinney37e 1 month ago
I've heard of your book AD Richard and it's an interesting topic and related to another interesting topic, estimating the ufo situation, piecing it all together. You're probably my favorite 'ufologist' but there is one aspect of UFOs that I have curiously overlooked until recently and I think you may not have focused much on either and that is the abductions. which if true tells us so much because it's up close and detailed.
so one question comes to mind, what do you make of the telepathy?
DanFrederiksen 1 month ago
I still see no reason for secrecy. At all. Whatsoever. It's not even a 'shocker'. Big news is big news.
The only things that should remain secret are our sex lives and bathroom breaks.
If 'they' can disable our most advanced war planes but don't come around turning off super computers etc. I think it's safe to say they're pretty cool entities and are looking out for us dumb monkeys.
Let's show them some respect and stop fighting needless wars and start repairing earth.
Happy new year, psychos.
sketch2k 2 months ago
"I tell lies in accordance with the official policy I obey due to my insights".
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dahur 2 months ago
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"dahur, I've warned you. And I don't repeat my warnings. I am used to act."
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dahur 2 months ago
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@dahur I see by this quote you posted that he loves to threaten people when he can't win at a logical debate. And when that doesn't work he always thinks that marking your post as spam can help. No wonder he stays in so much trouble all the time.
"dahur, I've warned you. And I don't repeat my warnings. I am used to act."
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jklinne8 2 months ago
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Since my known screennames are worn out, I consider to launch a new set. What would you say about the name «dahuг»? (No, the last letter isn't a 'r'. It's the cyrillic small 'g' -> г)"
-Sholva AKA lllwindrunner
"UFO Multiple activity over Melbourne Australia June 2nd 2011"
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dahur 2 months ago
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dahur 2 months ago
@dahur The only possible conclusion that can be drawn from your notorious behaviour to attempt character assassination by quoting compromizing out-of-context quotes is, you ran out of arguments. Although I can understand your exo-religious feelings, it might be a surprising fact for you, but astrobiology is a scientific topic; bound to the accepted rules of a scientific proof.
dahurWhisperer 2 months ago 3
"We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area. A high ranking Air Force officer said- Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report."
~ Captain Robert Salas, US Air Force-
Discussing UFOs being reported by our military over missile sites in sync with power outs in a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program in 2001. Also later dicussed with a military panel in a CNN, LKL interview.
jklinne8 2 months ago
Monitoring the airspace and deploying flying machines are military- and intelligence service tasks - and not that of ordinary cititzens. It's not a coincidence, a suitable security clearence and need to know is required to become eligible for this kind of information. Every nation has the legitimate right to keep military secrets; particularly, when international security is affected. Therefore, every petition, that addresses the UAP/technology issue is a waste of time and a pontless job.
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
@llIwindrunner Sorry but you're only partially right. No government (or agency operating illegally outside of any government's control and oversight) has ever had any right to keep *the wrong kinds of secrets* from it's people. Remember military officials have big concerns about the securiy of it's own nation regarding these non-miliary craft that fly over thier missile sites.
"Government works best under the glare of public scrutiny. Absent such scrutiny, abuses occur."
~ Stephen W. Hawking
jklinne8 2 months ago
@jklinne8 "....government (or agency operating illegally outside of any government's control and oversight)..." I hat to be the bearer of bad news again, but you colport exo-ufoistical mainstream misbeliefs. No agency operates on its own. Such claims are required as apparently plausible prerequisites for exo-ufoistical conspiracytainment publishers to to make their assumptions more believable, the govt would know everything about (alleged) ETs. References to self-proclaimed 'whistleblowers'...
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
(ff2)...are nonsensial too. Correct ist, exo-ufoistical publishers use means of manipulative reporting and menticidation in a quite extensive and convincing manner. Even real unsuspecting officials, like e.g. John Podesta, Robert Salas, etc. have been fooled by exo-ufoistical publishers. Real scientists and engineers however are committed to facts, backed up by hard and unambigous proof. You can accept it or not, but state secrets are legitimate - and legal. [e.g. National Security Act, 1947]
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
"Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitude and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major US defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles."
~ Dr. H Marshall Chadwell, former assistant director of the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence, in a December, 1952 memo to then-director of the CIA, General Walter B. Smith.
jklinne8 2 months ago
why does this video freeze at 2:14? strange?
cyberage100 2 months ago
1800 signatures damn, long way off. I would have thought Dolan would have a few more followers than that.
ordog11 2 months ago
A blind man told me that after extensive research, it was his opinion that the color blue does not exist.
thenewaeon 2 months ago
SIGN the petition!
jetreschau 2 months ago
Month is almost half over and we still need lots of signatures. Please do so now.
sonofmabarker 2 months ago
I've signed the petition. I don't think the Govt will ever admit UFO's, but petitions and Exopolitics makes more people aware of them.
benthejrporter 3 months ago
Signed.
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We've seen a dwindling band of debunkers making loud definitive claims about having solved what a major case UFO is with zero proof to show while most of the population has mainly formed a speculative opinion or hypothesis about UFOs and not made claims of proof. We should be free to speculate about UFOs without harassment as well as be allowed open government investigations to solve them. That's a civilized and logical path toward widely accepted proof and resolving what a given UFOs really is.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8: Plenty of phenomena go unexplained, and of course we are free to speculate as to what they are. Govts frankly are not going to waste taxpayers' money investigating a light in the sky from 1989. We might ask "What is the most likely explanation?" and that they are alien spacecraft ranks close to the bottom of possibilities, along with faerie-saucers and leprechaun-modules. Your comment re debunkers having zero proof is staggeringly ironic.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar Here in the USA when any sort of large flying craft has been confirmed on radar as well as seen by pilots and as yet unidentified as a drone from another country or anything else and without even so much as correct running lights or a call number, (basically breaking all kinds of FAA safety regulations) it is then a flight safety risk and or national security risk- Especially when that UFO can out race our own military pilots who've been ordered to chase after it.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8: @jklinne8: So they get reported, no-one can confirm what they are, gotcha. Now make the connection between that and demands for 'disclosure', which necessarily implies govts actually know what they are, and are hiding that info.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar Read what's being said instead of creating falsified and off the point arguments. They wear very poorly on you. I've never said that a UFO can never be confirmed but that people are being denied a proper investigation to do that and this petition being discussed in the video is *not about a disclosure*. I and many others have also not claimed the origin of UFO. So you're the one who needs to connect some dots or perhaps try to work a bit harder on your reading comprehension.
jklinne8 3 months ago
Its funny, they say the "US goverment" has no evidence, but the private billionare contracters do!!!!! Just let us befriend the aliens and get it over with
westsidekrooks 3 months ago
If this was a civil court, where a preponderance of the evidence is necessary for a judgement. Then it is easy to see how there is proof that UFO's do exist and we are being visited by beings from another world.
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
@sonofmabarker: How did they migrate from 'Unidentified' to "..easy to see...that UFOs do exist and we are being visited by beings from another world."? You seem to have made an enormous jump from 'know nothing' to 'know a lot'. It's called 'the argument from ignorance'.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar The evidence is "easy to see". Words that may help you out in this case are: radar, audio, video, documents, confessions, interviews, astronauts, pilots, presidents, governors, testimony, Brazil, Canada, Iran, Belgium, China, America, Mexico, England, Spain, Moon, and Austraila.
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
@sonofmabarker: You only need to understand what one word means, and that word is 'proof', none of which is/are provided by your list of nouns.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar Evidence either eye witness or circumstantial equals proof. I have the feeling you once sat in the OJ Simpson jury box at one time.
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
@sonofmabarker: The evidentiary requirements for science are much greater than for court trials. Mere testimony is NOT scientific proof, a simple fact most grade-schoolers can understand.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
So multiple witness sightings involving multiple witnesses from many vantage points on the air and ground corroborated by radar confirmation is equivalent to what farmer Bob says he saw out in his corn field last Tuesday? There is a gradient of probability you are ignoring here that carries weight. I do disagree with those that argue eye witness testimony is proof.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: None of which relates to the issue, which is this demand for 'disclosure'. This demand is to prove a negative, which is impossible, thus the demand can be maintained in perpetuity. Do I really need to provide a Logic 101 lesson here? Am I dealing with high-school dropouts? I hope not, but the internet does allow those who fell asleep or threw spitballs in high-school to now attempt to tell the rest of us how reality works.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar Project Bluebook, our governments only so called official UFO investigation has long since been admitted to be no more than a propaganda spin by it's very own team leads. Major Robert J Friend, who headed up Project Bluebook from 1958 onward, has publicly stated that Bluebook was never even adequately founded to study UFOs but was instead on a mission to "re educate" the public about what it wanted to say UFOs were. Like Alan Hynek, he has stated this on camera to reporters.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
I copy and pasted the exact wording of the petition for you previously, multiple times. It says nothing about disclosure. It demands a further *investigation* of UFO reports with access to documents, immunity granted to witnesses and for the results to made public. Read it again and stop repeating the same straw man. Your condescension isn't appreciated.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: And the name of the web-site is?? Read it again. And as Dolan says, yes, it's a waste of time if you don't believe in them. So Dolan starts with a position of belief, not skepticism, and my condescension is completely apropos.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
The wording of the petition is completely appropriate. The authors intentions or beliefs are irrelevant. That's the guilt by association fallacy. "Dolan believes in the ETH and a government cover up; therefore, his petition (no matter how appropriately worded) is no longer valid."
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: "After Disclosure" is the name of the web site and the name of the book Dolan co-authored, yet you're telling me the vid that started this little exchange has nothing to do with disclosure, and ask me to re-read??? Please, don't try to lecture me about logical fallacies. I teach Philosophy, and at a university that likely wouldn't accept you.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
The video promotes the petition. I quoted the petition. I am not aware of whether or not youtube allows url links, but I don't believe so. Either way, it is easy to find. Follow the links and tell me the wording is inappropriate as is. I dont understand the condescension. Especially from a "University professor." I wasn't aware this was a competition. Regardless of your credentials, dismissing the petition on the grounds of the authors beliefs is fallacious.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: What's fallacious is the claim that Dolan doesn't believe the US govt is hiding proof. It's in his book, it's in his web-site. The petition's sub-text is clear. There's no competition, but if you want to use logic in any discussion, best you know what you're talking about.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
Please supply direct quotations of my statements denying Dolan's belief in a cover up. In fact, I stated the opposite multiple times, including just now. My argument was that his personal beliefs have no relevance to the legitimacy of the petitions requests for further investigation.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: Dolan wants (yet another) investigation because he believes the US Govt is covering up,it's that simple. Dolan never states exactly *which* sightings should be investigated, nor does he provide any suggestions as to how such an investigation should be conducted. You're being had, my friend, adding misplaced kudos to a guy with an agenda you apparently can't discern.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
So your issue is with Dolan, and not with the legitimacy of the call for further investigation of the UFO phenomenon? My interest in further investigation is completely independent from Dolan and his personal views. Dolan is not my source of justification, he is merely an author to a petition that mirrors my independent sentiments based on a review of official documents and all previous large scale scientific studies conducted on the matter.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
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jklinne8 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin Sorry. My quotes of scientist to you were meant for "GreenDistantStar".
jklinne8 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar If you only wish to talk about what we can all speculate, as a philosophy professor your own speculation (or perhaps even agenda) about UFOs along with your lack of basic education about their history regarding past investigations, flight safety issues, security risk, military actions etc., will never carry as much weight for me or most others as does the speculations and hypothesis of say for example; very well known and highly accomplished scientist such as these....
jklinne8 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
"In my mind, there is no question that they're out there. My Career is well established. My texts books are required reading in all the major capitals on planet earth. If you want to become a physicist to learn about the unified field theory-you read my books. Therefore, I'm in a position to say: Yes- Most likely they're out there, perhaps even visited, perhaps on our moon." - ABC News Quote
~Professor Michio Kaku, Author of Theoretical Physics UNY
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8
«Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.»
~ Michael Shermer
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
@llIwindrunner ...«Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons.»... Yes exactly! Thanks for putting a UFO debunker like Shermer in his place! It's the best confession quote we've ever heard from that particular nowhere man.
jklinne8 2 months ago
@jklinne8 Debunkers provide a valuable service to our society, since they remove tons of bunk from the heads of gullible, misguided and menticized people. It's not a coincidence, serious scientists and engineers are debunkers, because during the medieval dark ages, charlatans manged to argue a whole zoo of mythological creatures into their existence. (Alleged) exo-ufoistical ET-visitors are the space-age unicorns, so to speak. In reality, UAP are misidentified natural or man made phenomena.
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
@llIwindrunner Nope. Good scientist can be good skeptics but are not career debunkers and in reality, any UFO is a “UFO” until it is properly investigated and identified. Debunkers tend toward claims about having solved what a major case UFO is and yet with no proof to show for their claims while most of the world population has mainly formed a speculative opinion or hypothesis about UFOs and not made claims. Remember- Debunkers such as yourself have even confessed to being pursued by the FBI.
jklinne8 2 months ago
@jklinne8 You've just followed the logical fallacy of the medieval dark ages: Not the process of investigation turns a particular UAP-sighting into a identified phenomenon, but the existence of sufficient and unambigous data. 65 years of (more or less) serious ufoistical research revealed, not one single UAP with sufficient data was extraordinary. Without such data, a UAP remains unidentified; forever. Since no new objective investigation can create new facts, there is no reason to even assume..
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
(ff2)..the extraordinary nature of a UAP. All studies, that followed accepted scientific methodology, identified hundreds of natural- and man-made phenomena. [UK MoD UAP Report, 2001]. Many of them were classified military flying machines, indeed. Without a tangible proof, no serious scientist will ever dive into the topic. It's not a coincidence, exo-ufoistical pseudo-scientists, never use real scientific instruments to back up their claims. They rely on anecdotical stories and interpretations.
llIwindrunner 2 months ago
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@GreenDistantStar
"When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap."
~ J. Allan Hynek, PhD- Lead scientific investigator for the USA’s only official investigation into UFO’s - Project Bluebook
jklinne8 3 months ago
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@GreenDistantStar
"The definitive resolution of the UFO enigma will not come about unless and until the problem is subjected to open and extensive scientific study by the normal procedures of established science. “
~ Dr. Peter A. Sturrock, Professor of Space Science and Astrophysics and Deputy Director of the Center for Space Sciences and Astrophysics at Stanford University
jklinne8 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
You are making important, valid points here. Argument from ignorance is an important fallacy to take into consideration as is the burden of proof. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. However, where I disagree with you is the apparent necessity for "proof" of UFOs being of alien origin in order to justify further investigation, as well as the insinuation that there is no gradient of probability, only a dichotomy of proof and fiction.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: UFOs have been investigated for decades, what exactly will be gained by yet another. My issue is the illogical call for 'disclosure' which implies both hidden knowledge and wilful deception. How does one prove one is not hiding something? You can't, so the call is on its face absurd. Yes, there is a gradient of possibility, and with no hard evidence, it's about zero.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
really professional video - thank u
Love4Yuna 3 months ago
"Bomp, bomp, bomp. Another one bites the dust. Bomp,bomp,bomp Another one bites the dust. And another ones gone, another ones gone. Another one bites the dust"
dahur 3 months ago
We entrust our lives with airline pilots and people that guard our nuclear missile bases and so many of them have reported UFOs. Radar operators confirm and military and airline pilots report them in snyc with citizens on the ground. Do we want frightened pilots flying us around or people guarding our nuclear weapons if this many of them are really hallucinating? No. So even for a true skeptic this is major news raising questions for the mental competence at critcal jobs OR we investigate UFOs.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8
VERY well said!!
dahur 3 months ago
To all the ufologists in here that keep endlessly replying to me with your proof for ET...
You all sound the same - hoping for something but have no real proof. Sure, the universe is a big place and there probably is other life out there somewhere, but there still isn't any proof of ET visiting earth. Life is pretty boring on this rock and I understand your fascination with UFOs - I once felt the same way, but what you consider to be evidence I have found to be sadly lacking.
I'm outta here.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu I ask you to point out any words from me from anywhere that shows I claimed proof of the what a UFO represents but you totally failed to turn one up. You aimed your rants and falsified arguments at me and others and act as though you're frightened out of your mind at the possibility of any proper investigation being done to get at whatever is going on with Unidentified Flying Objects. You clearly have no answers as to what UFOs are and zero credibility as well. Yes.. Stay gone this time.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8
Good god man, you're a troll. I simply asked for proof of ET (none exists) and you just want to argue forever. I have a life to get back to (TGIF), you obviously don't. Now say and believe whatever you want, I don't care - just quit replying to me with your nonsense.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu LOL! Thought you said you were gone. If you have plausible explanations for unexplained UFO's reported by airline pilots, radar specialist, military pilots, police officers, etc...We are happy to hear it, but only if the evidence to support the debunking is presented. There have been many times I’ve noticed that the closer to the truth one gets, the more desperate the person(s) trying to conceal the truth will become, thus the intensity and frequency of the ridicule.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@CaneFu
The problem was your premise. It seemed to be, "if there is no proof that UFOs are alien in origin, then they are not worth investigating." Of course, proof would defeat the whole purpose of investigation in the first place! Proof of origin is irrelevant to the purpose of the petition in question. You have ignored that point, and all others, throughout the entire discussion. It took decades to obtain proof of "rocks falling from the skies." UFOs are less generous with samples.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago 2
"In concealing the evidence of UFO operations, the Air Force is making a serious mistake."
Lieutenant Colonel James McAshan
US Air Force
"There is enough evidence pointing in the direction that clearly there is information being withheld. How far we can go with it, I don't know."
Edgar Mitchell
NASA Astronaut, Apollo 14 lunar module pilot
dahur 3 months ago
"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense."
Roscoe Hillenkoetter
Former CIA Director in a public statement, 1960.
dahur 3 months ago
Well I just signed the petition, #1486. We still have along way to go people.
dahur 3 months ago
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dankeswx 3 months ago
"Look, I have a pension to worry about. I have a family to take care of, and they told me to just back away from this entirely or else."
Astronaut James Irwin
Apollo 15, to Frank Stranges after backing out of speaking at a 1976 UFO convention where he was going to "inform us of the strange things he saw on the surface of the moon."
dahur 3 months ago
"We had a job to do, whether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited."
Dr J Allen Hynek Blue Book
"When the long awaited solution to the UFO problem comes, I believe that it will prove to be not merely the next small step in the march of science, but a mighty and totally unexpected quantum leap."
Dr J Allen Hynek
dahur 3 months ago
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dahur 3 months ago
"Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence"
-Carl Sagan
"Condemnation without investigation is the HIGHEST FORM OF IGNORANCE"
-Albert Einstein
dahur 3 months ago
People who believe in this nonsense really don't understand science, the universe or know how to think rationally.
NocturalRyte 3 months ago
@NocturalRyte "Skeptics, who flatly deny the existence of any unexplained phenomenon in the name of 'rationalism,' are among the primary contributors to the rejection of science by the public… When a so-called expert tells them the object must have been the moon or a mirage, he is really teaching the public that science is impotent or unwilling to pursue the study of the unknown."
~ Dr. Jacques Vallee, Astrophysicist
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8
Great quote!!
dahur 3 months ago
People sometimes think of government like it's a singular entity. The government, president or not, is still comprised of many self-acting factions. Some good, some bad, some following orders saying things that don't fit the data. The majority of educated people now feel there's been deliberate misinformation and bogus investigations regarding many major UFO cases. Debunkers have failed for over 64 years to show us proof of their elaborate or silly claims for these kinds of important UFO cases.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8: Debunkers haven't failed to do anything, there is no onus on them. Not one shred of hard evidence, just woo-woo, those who are making the claims have the job in front of them. Millions of people over the centuries have claimed to have seen angels, so perhaps we'd better ask the govts of the world to disclose what they are hiding about angels. When they refuse, ah hah! The calls for angel disclosure could run indefinitely, ya get it now? NOTHING TO DISCLOSE, NO PROOF.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
There is plenty of evidence. What is lacking is proof. Let's not conflate the two. You're neglecting the gradient of probability. There is stronger evidence in support of a material reality to the UFO phenomenon than for the majority of all court cases in this country. Science has higher standards, and rightly so. But to lump sightings of angels in the same category of evidence as UFO sightings (when have angels been tracked on radar?) displays ignorance.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: That there have been observed weird things in the sky is not in dispute, I have seen inexplicable things myself. But that does not necessarily imply that govts are hiding anything beyond invoking some national security redaction. The issue of alien visitation is deeply embedded in the UFO meme, and it rates very low on any gradient of probability. That many have seen UFOs is the "40 million Frenchmen can't be wrong!" argument, with a tinfoil hat on, of course.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
Proof follows, not precedes, investigation. Lack of proof is reason FOR investigation. So long as the cumulative evidence is of high enough caliber, or the nature of the phenomenon poses particular safety risks, to justify investigation. All large scale scientific studies on UFOs have turned up startling results in favor of a material phenomenon. From Report 14 to the Cometa report. Can the same be said for angel sightings? The comparison is incompatible.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: Safety risks are zero based upon injuries/fatalities by 'impact by alien craft'. Lack of proof of what? Govt docs or the thing you are looking for? You don't know what you're looking for and there is no hard evidence of its existence other than 'cumulative evidence' which is mostly testimony. When there's some hard evidence, let me know, until then, it's just gibberish by internet talking heads.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar False-
"The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism. If a competent witness reports having seen something tens of degrees of arc in size (as happens) and the scoffer, who of course was not there -- offers Venus or a high altitude weather balloon as an explanation, the requirement of extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim falls on the proffered negative claim as well."
~ Bernard Haisch, Astrophysicist.
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8:Haisch like his American counterpart Tipler, has some rather bizarre views about reality. That you quote him is telling indeed.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar No it's not. You're just trying to avoid the fact that any claim made by anyone on any side of anything needs to be backed up with proof for that claim. This includes all the debunkers who've failed to show proof of thier own claims for major case UFOs for decades.
“There are people who said they saw things and whenever that happens they deserve at least n investigation.”
~ Senator John McCain being asked about UFO’s in a radio interview on KFYI Phoenix, Arizona June 25, 1997
jklinne8 3 months ago
@jklinne8: No, when someone makes a claim, it is up to them to substantiate it. There is no equal, countervailing requirement for the party hearing of the claim to prove the claim false. Scientists who submit papers for peer review are required to offer falsifiable arguments *of their own position*. Do you see how fundamentally different it is to have to provide circumstances for which your own argument could be invalidated? And you want others to disprove your claims? Think about it..
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
Ok- Thousands of citizens including trained military pilots, airline pilots, generals and goverment officials have NOT "claimed" anything about UFO's other than they need to be properly investigated due to obvious flight safety and/or national security risk. Even for those who've speculated or made claims of swamp gas or ET have still been repeatedly denied a proper investigation to "substantiate" any major case UFO claims. I've not made any claims of a UFOs origin. Have you??
jklinne8 3 months ago
This is evidence which gives credibility to a government cover-up. Much like fingerprints and DNA are used as evidence to support a conviction.
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
I'd love to do what I can in support of this petition. Thanks, Richard and Bryce!
heyboyer 3 months ago
Thank you for your voice and light upon this subject! Peace and Love xoxox
bootyjudie 3 months ago
Official secrecy and ridicule is standard policy. From the harsh regulations of JANAP 146 to the recommendations of the CIA's Robertson Panel (official documents available from govt) of "training and debunking" and using easily solvable cases to make intentional generalizations. That needs to end.
A poll of astronomers conducted by Hynek found that a good percentage of them had seen UFOs and a much larger percentage took them very seriously, but admitted fear of ridicule and loss of funding.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin
"A poll of astronomers conducted by Hynek found that a good percentage of them had seen UFOs and a much larger percentage took them very seriously, but admitted fear of ridicule and loss of funding"
It is statements like this that conspiracy theorists like you keep making that bother me. What poll, where, when? You don't cite any credible source and if all the astronomers are anonymous it is worthless. It's illogical as a quality video could blow the lid off.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu
Hynek mentioned it in his book. It was a small survey of 44 colleagues of whom 5 admitted sightings. It inspired him to conduct a more thorough survey for CUFOS published in 1980 including 1,800 astronomers for which 24% claimed sightings. There were two other surveys conducted with members of the AAIA and AAS by Dr. Peter Sturrock with similar results.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago 2
@SophistAssassin
"Hynek mentioned it in his book...small survey...5 admitted sightings...24% (of 1800) claimed sightings"
That's it, that's all u got? Hearsay evidence such as this is not even admissible in small claims court. Honestly, u have nothing here. Just admit that u believe in ET simply because u WANT to - nothing wrong with that. But don't post in here saying there's evidence for alien visitations because there isn't.
U remind me of people making religious claims.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu
No, that's not all the evidence there is. This is youtube, there is a character limit. Astronomer sightings weren't used as proof of ET visitation. I cited them to disprove the misconception that astronomers never report sightings. Demanding proof of ET to justify further investigation is pretty silly, don't you think? If we had proof, there would be no investigation. Again, proof of "aliens" is not a prerequisite for investigation.
And I'm an atheist, for the record.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin
You missed my point - UFO believers like yourself are very similar to those with religious belief - you have no hard evidence but CHOOSE to believe in this stuff. I don't believe in ET even though I wanted to because I did the investigation for the past few years and found NOTHING but "he said, she said" quotes and conspiracy theories. No decent close-up video or pics exist, no artifacts, NOTHING.
Unless better evidence surfaces I don't believe in ET.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu
"No decent close-up video or pics exist, no artifacts, NOTHING." I don't think you have done much investigation. If so, you would have uncovered many great pictures, from BEFORE the computer and digital age (eg. Trent photos 1950)
And BTW, anytime a great video or picture comes up, you guys are always howling "Hoax!" "Fake!" I really think if someone handed you guys the keys a ET craft, you'd just call it a Hollywood prop, lol!
dahur 3 months ago
@dahur
Bullshit, I have looked at thousands of fuzzy far away videos and pics right here on YouTube and the internet - anyone can see them right now. How about a nice closeup walk around video of the many UFOs that people claim they have seen on the ground? Send me a link to just one that shows a clear image of an obvious alien UFO that has not been altered in anyway. We only holler "fake" when they obviously are.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu You guys are hilarious!
"obvious alien UFO that has not been altered in anyway"
Who gets to be the judge of that? You? You guys holler "fake" about everything. Astronauts, military, and civilian pilots are some of the most highly educated, and respected people in the world. When THEY see something highly unusual, it calls for an impartial investigation. I base my judgements on their very credible testimony. Who are you? A nobody who with no credibility at all.
dahur 3 months ago
@dahur
The "Trent photos 1950" have been seriously questioned by impartial experts & are only defended by ufologists like yourself. At best they are fuzzy, far away & one shows a tangle of threads or wire and the lighting is wrong for an evening shot.
The Trent photos are questionable at best. Again I challenge you to send me one link of a closeup walk around shot of a UFO that has supposedly landed here so many times. With most cell phones having video capability there should be many.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu
Proof or fiction is a false dichotomy. There is enough evidence beyond eye witness testimony by credible trained observers (corroborative radar traces, landing traces, recorded electromagnetic effects etc) to encourage further investigation. That's it. Btw, how often do commercial airlines eject fragments of their surface?
There are, in fact, artifacts that have been tested and found anomalous, but even here it's hard to obtain definitive results: /watch?v=pZF3BfDNAvs
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@CaneFu
No matter what I send you, or anybody else does, it won't measure up. We have dealt with you debunkers for years and know the agenda. You cry for "evidence" when you don't really want any, now do you? If you are so against ETFO, or UFO events being real, what are doing on these video's? As to the Trent photos, no one has been able to debunk them, though they've tried to, lol.
dahur 3 months ago
@dahur
And if ET were to land on my street NO ONE would be more overjoyed than me!
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu
Here is George Carlin's comparison between UFO "believers" and religious "believers": /watch?v=-kNyPUBPSUk
I thought he put it well. If nothing else, maybe at least it will give you a good laugh.
And for the record, I have never taken video or pictures seriously. Even the best quality ones can be faked and fool experts. As I said earlier, given the nature of the phenomenon, we have about as much evidence as we would expect to have.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
For any to key up, research and share valid hypothesis about. > 1949 FBI UFO memo Top Secret. 1950 Hanford AEC document. 1952 CIA Chadwell memo. 1953 Oak Ridge memo. 1954 Maxwell AFB Emergency memo. 1955 Pepperell AFB Radar-Visual UFO tracking.1966 Minot AFB UFO Landing memo. 1967 Malmstron AFB memo. 1969 Bellender memo 1975 NORAD and USAF UFO documents. 1976 DIA memo Iranian Jet fighter incident. 1978 State Dept memo on Bolivian UFO crash. 1981 Halt memo. 1990 DIA documents on Belgian UFO.
jklinne8 3 months ago 2
@jklinne8 And what you posted is just the tip of the iceberg. Somebody once said to Richard Dolan, "where is the UFO evidence?" His reply, "where do I back up the truck!"
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
Disclosure when it comes will rock a lot minds. I hope I will live long enough to say, "I told you so."
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
One thing for sure is, if you have proof of ufo's. The last thing to do is contact the government. They will just bury the evidence in some underground vault. Contact Mufon or Stanton Friedman. And use a computer from the library or a pay phone if you can find one LOL.
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
There is proof. The question is where is it. Case in point The Gordon Cooper Film We know the government had it, but where or what the did with it is where the proof is. They almost certainly will never let the people see it because it would remove all doubt about the issue.
Filedisclosure 3 months ago
We believe in the investigation of all phenomena. You have the right to the truth. Keep up the work.
PsychicLibrary 3 months ago
hi richard, I have signed. this has to be published on TV to get the required resopnse.. i have posted the petition link to few sites.
mrmorganuk 3 months ago
The white house web site is not letting me sign it to sign the petition. I guess i'm not alone then.
GuyNamedLeo 3 months ago
I posted these sentiments on Leslie Kean's wall (regarding this video/topic): the government will never be "petitioned" into investigating this subject in an honest, and, open manner. They can't do it (they would be thwarted at every turn) and for people in power the findings could amount to an abdication of power. ET is real as heck - just ask myself and 5 other co-workers, two of whom were apparently abducted. Sign away - the government will never give this up...
guymerritt 3 months ago
The view count should match the petition signature.
SirVaughnElric 3 months ago in playlist RMD - Key Videos
DO ET NOW!!!!
SirVaughnElric 3 months ago in playlist RMD - Key Videos
Richard, Thanks for the post and I'll sign it, tho you and I know the rat bastards will never tell the truth, as Kelly Johnson or was it Ben Rich said it so black and deep it would take a act of God!
kosh2001 3 months ago
If they say there are UFO's then the can ,and a very large can,of worms will be opened.....
truthforme1 3 months ago
Been trying to sign your petition now for 2 days now, i can't log into my account or sign up for a new one, starting to get very frustrated now, and i'm betting im not alone.
I used that very account not 2 months back to sign stephen basset's petition.
What are the hopes of getting 25k signatures by the 30th if this kind of thing is going on.
wizbit66 3 months ago
For different reasons, the same goal: disclosure, WE MUST WANT IT in order for it to happen...The right to the truth another fact that makes all of us equal.
EMAQSHO 3 months ago
@destruct2construct "The lady at 1:28 is beautiful beyond belief?"
Lol.....you should see her when she ISN'T doing that thing in the photo, (that you like so much,) with her mouth.
recalcitrist1 3 months ago
Love your work Rick. We need to keep growing in numbers & pushing this topic forward. Having wittnessed a E.T craft RIGHT UP CLOSE I know from 1st hand experience that this topic is a very real one & needs to be taken seriously. The craft I saw was RIGHT OUTSIDE MY HOUSE & in line with my house roof. The craft was complely glowing & was obviously under inteligent control. I have never seen anything like it since or before.
KidPuja 3 months ago in playlist Liked videos
@KidPuja: Did you take a video of it? Any pics? A scraping from its hull? Kinda funny that thousands upon thousands of amateur astronomers worldwide survey the sky every night, yet none of them ever sight a confirmed alien craft. Yet apparently ET is dropping into millions of people's backyards every year, doing weird experiments etc. Something wrong with that picture, can you tell what it is?
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
That's why Clyde Tombaugh reported a very elaborate sighting himself. You know, the guy that discovered the planet Pluto? Astronomers see UFO's all the time as well, just look it up. There was even an interesting sighting that was well documented in the late 1800's. This is one of many major misconceptions about UFO's.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar No I dont have any evidence & I dont really care if you believe me or not. There is evidence out there & there are credible people wittnessing these things, astronomers to.explore MrSon2k's channel & you will find footage or YouTube search ECETI. This is a huge topic which I can not explain in this comment box cause there isnt enough space. What I saw was the most life changing thing ever, was really beautiful & I dont expect u 2 understand that but the e.ts are so beyond us...
KidPuja 3 months ago
@KidPuja: Well when you have some evidence, do let me know. Yes it is a huge subject, credible people say they've seen plenty of things (angels and witches were popular once) but that's not proof.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar ... technology and spiritualy. They are not hard nosesdscientists like most scientists on this planet if they want to make themselves known on a global scale then they will but they are still going to people individualy and making their presence known. Believe me you wouldnt be so skeptical if you wittnessed one of these things up close. Go to James Gillilands ranch at lake trout in Washington, spend a night there & you will see some amazing things in the sky.
KidPuja 3 months ago
@KidPuja: So after traveling for years at unimaginable speeds using god-like technology, they somehow can't avoid detection when they arrive at Trout Lake. Think about it. Maybe they're not ETs but from the future? That makes astronomically more sense than the ET explanation. I've seen inexplicable phenomena, beyond Jim's trout-fishing aliens, yet I'm still a skeptic. You have to allow your reason to overcome your feelings and imagination, both potent and persuasive deceivers.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar Well thats the thing it wouldnt take years and years. You just have to look at the progress science is making with understanding quantum physics and there is some mind blowing results coming from these experiments that open up the possiblity of instant travel from one point to another point. quantum entaglment is a very interesting part of quantum physics. The e.t's who are millions of years ahead of us will be way more advanced than us & in their evolutionory process will.....
KidPuja 3 months ago
@KidPuja: Any beings capable of what you suggest would have not the least difficulty in remaining undetected, yet they appear to a select few, or crash sometimes e.g Roswell. Dumb huh? In any event, we don't need to discuss reindeer propulsion systems to know that Santa can't make it down hundreds of millions of chimneys. Invoking quantum physics sounds profound, but you might as well say aliens use magic, just like Santa does. One can imagine anything, but that doesn't make it so.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar .... have applied these scientific methods to their technology. I wasnt sure wether the e.t's were real or not so I asked out in my thoughts under the night sky if the e.ts could show themselve to me so I could know 100% if they were real and a couple of nights later this AMAZING craft was right outside my house, it wasnt like it was at a distance either, was right above me. I havnt seen anything like it since or be4. Was breath taking & changed my life.
KidPuja 3 months ago
@KidPuja: You must be very special to be able to summon them on command.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar Well I dont like the term very special cause it just seem egotosic & I carnt just summon them on demand cause I would have plenty of footage!. I have only seen one right up close & of course my jaw droped & I felt frozen to the spot & I wish I had a camera back then. They still fly across sky sometimes & I do make sure they are not planes or satellietes 1st & wen i point my laser in sky these glowing objects signal bk by goin dim then bk 2 bein real bright.
KidPuja 3 months ago
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darklybrooding 3 months ago
It would so appropriate on many levels if President Carter were to make a statement with documents sidesteping the govt on dislosure
edfeltch 3 months ago
Barack Obama either you can make some effort to recognize the people concerns or you can continue acting in denial which your great at.
Either way its not up to you anymore. Other intelligences have their own agenda that are in favor of Disclosing Everything and they will shove you to the side to crash and burn in the history books.
You know this and so does the rest of the NET
Your move Mr Puppet President Obama
SirVaughnElric 3 months ago
PLEASE PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD WE NEED TO STOP CALLING THIS FLYING OBJECTS
U N I D E N T F I E D .
You know why ...
vicochico 3 months ago
I signed yours, please sign mine. Veterans should get a paid day off on Veterans Day. Not bankers, postal workers, teachers and so forth.
sonofmabarker 3 months ago
Am I even able to sign this petition? I live in Australia.
Frntrm 3 months ago
@Frntrm as I know petition for disclosure is ended unfortunately
crogeek 3 months ago
You know that such a petition will not make a difference....Could be useful tho....you can always refer to it when you tell them you did ask them politely.
Za7a7aZ 3 months ago
To admit the knowledge of ufos also would uncover the free energy behind the technology which could be one major reason they dont want to let us know and they would have to admit that theyve had the tech and kept it quiet from us. The corporations of interest would not be able to reap huge profits and would be in their interests also to keep it quiet.
REXER1977 3 months ago
Done Richard!
ChristophLandon 3 months ago
wont happen in our life time
1generalk 3 months ago
Very good to hear your thoughts on this Mr. Dolan. I'm in.
Ron4885 3 months ago
I subbed cuz several people really recommended I really listen to Mr. Dolan. Uprated. Shared. Favorited.
slobomotion 3 months ago
This lays the case out beautifully. Basically, there should be no hurdle to 25,000 signatures. After all, OWS protestors can get pepper-sprayed, the least we can do is take five minutes to sign an Internet petition. We know more than 25,000 Disclosure advocating computer users exist around the world. Let's get them working on this!
dubstones 3 months ago in playlist RECOMMENDED 8
@dubstones
I have been investigating"UFOs" for years and there just isn't a single shred of evidence anywhere for alien technology. I am one of those people that would LOVE to find out we are being visited by aliens, I would welcome it as exciting. However, I have to concede that there just isn't any evidence for it - "credible" witnesses mean nothing. I have recently changed my opinion and concede that there are no aliens visiting us - that's the only logical conclusion to come to.
CaneFu 3 months ago
@CaneFu: Yes, I also have come to the same conclusion. The US govt isn't hiding any special knowledge about these phenomena, and no alien technology is in anyone's hands. We should keep an open mind, but unexplained phenomena are just that, remember the 'argument from ignorance'. No hard evidence exists, it's that simple, pleas for 'an investigation' are illogical and self-serving. Aliens? SHOW ME THE MONEY!!
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
Have you looked at any large scale scientific studies on the subject matter? Project Bluebook's "Special Report 14" did a massive statistical analysis of 3,200 reported cases with striking findings. It was very thorough and contradicts every common conception of UFOs in our culture. The Condon Report, by contrast, a report our govt. references as an excuse not to investigate UFO's further, covered a mere 59 cases of which 30% unidentified. All case files available on web too.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: You miss the point. The concept of 'disclosure' presupposes that there is something undisclosed. There is zero proof that any govt has any undisclosed hard evidence of extraterrestrial life. It's logically impossible to prove a negative proposition - prove to me you're not hiding proof of leprechauns and their plans for world domination.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
Thanks for the clarification. I disagree that the govt. isn't hiding information because there actually is evidence that they are. We are talking about UFO information, not alien lifeforms per the petition.
1969 -- Bolender Memo. stated UFO reports affecting national security went elsewhere (other than bluebook) in accordance with JANAP 146 & Air Force Manual 55-11. Where are they? We have seen inquiries after bluebook termination such as Tehran, Iran proving interest.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: No, none of this is proof of the existence of extraterrestrial craft, alien technology etc. That some govt dept chooses to refuse to disclose or redact is only proof of that, nothing more. The contents of what may or may not be disclosed is by definition, unknown, only the 'argument from ignorance' takes us from 'know nothing' to 'know lots'. No hard evidence, no alien artifacts or bodies, just woo-woo and nutty conspiracy. Move on, folks, nothing to see here..
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
You're creating a straw man argument and jumping around. I originally argued the legitmacy of the ET *hypothesis*. You insisted I "missed the point." You insisted there was no evidence of information being withheld. I disproved that statement. The petition in question asks for the government to disclose classified investigations regarding UFO incidents. Not once does it say anything about ET lifeforms.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: Still missing it. If these govt reports are classified, by gestalt you cannot know their contents. They could be withheld for many reasons, national security the obvious one. Why do so many conspiracy theorists demand their govts have no secrets from them? None of this provides ANY hard evidence of the 'reality' of UFOs, just food for the mis-thought for the gullible. Again, some hard evidence, please.
GreenDistantStar 3 months ago
@GreenDistantStar
The point is, they have well over a thousand confirmed classified documents on UFO's. Many of the public, redacted versions omit the sightings completely. In one case, just 3 words can be read on the whole paper. There is a definite method in place for silencing pilots under threat of fine and imprisonment (JANAP 146) as well as a channel for reporting such cases (why?). This is an official, public document.
Arguing "alien proof or nothing" sets up a false dichotomy fallacy.
SophistAssassin 3 months ago
@SophistAssassin: Don't you see how dumb and illogical it is to ask for 'proof' when you don't even know what it is you are talking about? Redacted documents; so what? That just suggests the govt in question has decided that you shouldn't see it. Why? Dunno, don't care. National security is a go