Without holiness no one will see God. No one will enter into His kingdom. Todd Bentley carries the signs of supernatural power flowing out of him, but certainly does not carry the signs of holiness. He would be one of the last people I would call clean, and "safe to approach because of his holiness radiating from him".
Still he might be a child of God, who needs deliverance and inner healing...but definitely he is not the one who has to lead such an amount of people.
I was confused. Jesus said we'd do the same works & greater than his yet miracles today seem phony/vague, the result of wish-fulfillment by simple superstitious people in the throes of religious ecstasy. Documentation is dubious at best. Why?
Then I realized 1st cent people were even MORE superstitious than now & Jesus's faith healings were probably basically what we see today, but exaggerated by oral tradition.
Modern Revivalists were LIVING PROOF that my doubts were perfectly valid. Thanks.
Do you know what we are, fellows? A bunch of backbiting fault-finding busybodies! How many of us have felt a godly sorrow for what's going on? How many of us have blessed our "enemy" and prayed that God might show him the light and restore his marriage? I haven't, and I need to repent. We scavenge the Internet to dig up scandals because we have assumed the role of "radical end-time watchman". Once again, I don't support TB and Lakeland, but let's pray for them at least.
Exactly true. I did not cry over Todd and his family although I feel sorry especially for his kids but all those hundreds of thousands of people all over the world who have been deceived have my prayers and especially seeing video's of demonic impartations, yes, that did make me cry. I have lost many friends and contacts and suffered loss in the ministry because I am warning people for the wolves and continue to do so. Everyone for himself needs to be careful not to overdo it.
When I mentioned "godly sorrow for what's going on", I meant the whole Lakeland thing. My point is, there are so many videoes published with a view to "exposing" the bad stuff, which in itself is fine, but many of them smack of "tabloidism", sensationalism, and ridicule. It feels as if people are happy to see others fall and do mistakes. That is NOT Christ-like behavior! The Bible speaks about correction and rebuke, but with a view to restoring those that are off track.
Dear Spirittlevel: The best thing that came out of this revival was the EXPOSING of Peter Wagner and his "apostles and prophets" as being the agents of evil and greed that they are. If someone followed this revival and still attends a church that has a pastor who is a Peter Wagner apostle, that person is deceived on purpose, and is probably beyond any hope.
As I said earlier, it is good that these things are exposed, but that is not what I'm getting at. I'm talking about the SPIRIT (or motive) in which this so-called exposing is done. Let's warn, let's expose, let's defend the Gospel, but let's also remember grace. That's my last word. God bless.
@SpiritLevelBubble And we pray that his followers realize that the reason that those like Todd are allowed to propagate his garbage, is that it is Gods judgement on the rebellious( to give them what they want) to allow them to be misled
@SpiritLevelBubble lets pray that Todd turns from his evil ,self serving,message. Pray that the Holy Spirit intervenes and touches his rebellious heart, so he can pubically repent and guide those he misled to the Light. We pray that Todd thanks God for revealing the true state of his heart and motives.
Heavy drinking, drugs, and illicit sex run deep in Peter Wagner's "Prophets of Perversion."
Roberts Liardon, one of the 25 "apostles" on Pete's inner council stepped down from his pulpit for 90 days restoration when he had to admit to a "love affair" with his MALE youth pastor. And of course the "main" prophet Paul Cain was chastened for Heavy Drinking and homosexuality, Tedd Haggard, Pete's Partner in the World Prayer Center left his church because of Dealing with Male prostitue drug dealer.
Seriously this: When you point your finger at something, do you always do it thumb up, index finger out, three fingers firmly pressed against your palm? Most likely your fingers are more lose. Try do it with lose fingers, and move your hand around. Notice where your pinky goes. It's very likely that his hand movements are randon, and until otherwise is PROVED; I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you want to do "apologetics", at least stick to clear facts, not speculation.
That doesn't surprise me. Listen, I do not support Todd Bentley, Patricia King, nor any of his comrades, and I think it's important to disclose things. HOWEVER, what I was trying to get across to maxtube22 was simply that I think his/her methods and rhetoric were dodgy. If we know people operate with false doctrine, fine, let's use Scripture to reprove them. But to me it undermines the noble cause of apologetics to resort to speculation and guessing.
Seriously what? Do you have a habit of naturally making the sign of Satan when you are talking to people? It is not a random gesture of the hand to make that sign, but you must think so.
I don't reject these people's false religion because they may only make the sign of Satan, I reject their false religion because it is of a false jesus and a different gospel.
I just mentioned the sign as a side note because I do think it is still noteworthy and I don't think it was random.
What God is doing let no man come against less my wrath destroys all of you! I come not in hate but in love and power to heal the sick, cast out Demons but in your hardness of hearts I withdraw this covenant I made with the nations and your sick will die and I will raise up a shepherd that will not care for the sick or those in need and I will turn away my face from your cries and of dispare, my prophets have cried out for your diliverance but you kill them at the gates of sheol.
I was resurrected from the dead... The day God by His grace, drew me by His Spirit, to a place of brokeness and godly sorrow for my sins, after hearing the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ, granted to me repentance of my sins, and by the One who paid the price for my sins on the cross with His precious blood, who took my place, and I was resurrected to new life in Christ, justified before God, given His Spirit. Redeemed.. Thank God, for the gift of salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ!
The time has come that after all the warnings to the mentors of Todd Bentley and Todd himself to answer for their deception and nobody wants to stand up and be accountable. This is so much them! Teach miracles, signs wonders, speak strange experiences to attract the vulnerable and sick in spirit and when the true and living God shines light on them, they run for the trees! This is there fruit they are hirelings! REPENTANCE waits, Judgment is at the door!
The time has come that after all the warnings to the mentors of Todd Bentley and Todd himself to answer for their deception and nobody wants to stand up and be accountable. This is so much them! Teach miracles, signs wonders, speak strange experiences to attract the vulnerable and sick in spirit and when the true and living God shines light on them, they run for the trees! This is there fruit they are hirelings! REPENTANCE waits, Judgment is at the door!
I heard a story about a very sick man who was approached about going to the Bentley revival for healing. He replied, "What's the hurry. If I die, he can resurrect me, so I'll just see if the medicine helps first." (Not a true story, just one I concocted to show how silly these people really are,)
Thanks, I was thinking of my friend Henry Baruch who just died. Some people came to him and tried to get him to go to Lakeland. I had given him the "Angelic Hosts" article several years ago, so he knew about Bentley. He just told them no, he didn't think Todd could help.
And we know that Todd wouldn't have been able to help him. I hope to meet your friend in glory Jim...and thank God he refused the invites to go to Lakeland...thank God!
God Bless you and give you GREAT peace and comfort in His Son (The Word of God) Jesus Christ!
Thanks, YTYK, Henry was a great guy. He was a fairly new Christian but he had a good eye for the phonies. He would see something strange on Christian TV and he would call me and ask "where do these idiots get this stuff?"
Jquails; Those silly people are Jesus'Brothers and Sistas. You Carnal Seekers are going to be very Surprized at the Judgement Seat of Messiah if you make it there..... :}
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Dear Seakeer: There is NO visible evidence that these people should be considered "Brothers in Christ" anymore than any new age dream interpreter you could find on a psychic 900 line.
When did Abba Father make you the Final Authority and THE Judge of someone's Eternal Life? Only God knows All men's hearts.The World is Watching You and Us! If you were to continue to speak about Brethern the way you do Why would anyone want to be a part of those kind of hypocrites? Not me! Unless you are a Tare then we will have to put up with you till the end.:) To All Precious Seekers, Jesus taught Us there would be Tares among Us in the last days. TaRes look like Wheat but have NO Fruit. :)
Dear Seakeer2: What are you talking about? There is no evidence these people are Bible believing Christians.
I think Todd is a great performer. If he were on the comedy channel I would be his fan. In church I think he is detestable and a danger to the salvation of others.
>>> The Word taught me years ago how to Recognize someone who claims to be a Follower of Jesus; If what they Say, Write, and other Actions do Not have LOVE,
which includes; Compassion, Grace and Mercy, for ALL Men and Brethern, then they are an Imposter and Hypocrite!
Jesus recognized and called people Hypocrites more than anyone else in the Bible?
John 13...Love One Another; AS I have LoVeD You,By ThIs ShAll All MEN kNoW that ye are MY DiSciPlEs, if you have LOVE one To AnOtHeR.
Just Repent and tell Abba Father you are sorry and will change your attitude towards His CHildren. You must be a very young babe in Christ. Take a good look at a baby?
Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you,That EvERry Idle WorD that men shall speak, they shall GiVe AcCoUnt thereof in the Day of JuDgMenT. For by thy words thou shalt be JUSTIFIED, and by thy words thou shalt be CONDEMNED. Thus saith the Lord? This means you too if you have to Appear Before the Judgment Seat of Christ? 2 Cor 5:10
Without holiness no one will see God. No one will enter into His kingdom. Todd Bentley carries the signs of supernatural power flowing out of him, but certainly does not carry the signs of holiness. He would be one of the last people I would call clean, and "safe to approach because of his holiness radiating from him".
Still he might be a child of God, who needs deliverance and inner healing...but definitely he is not the one who has to lead such an amount of people.
xxxjudit 2 years ago
This is so so sad
tinycrack 3 years ago 2
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I was confused. Jesus said we'd do the same works & greater than his yet miracles today seem phony/vague, the result of wish-fulfillment by simple superstitious people in the throes of religious ecstasy. Documentation is dubious at best. Why?
Then I realized 1st cent people were even MORE superstitious than now & Jesus's faith healings were probably basically what we see today, but exaggerated by oral tradition.
Modern Revivalists were LIVING PROOF that my doubts were perfectly valid. Thanks.
reti123 3 years ago
Do you know what we are, fellows? A bunch of backbiting fault-finding busybodies! How many of us have felt a godly sorrow for what's going on? How many of us have blessed our "enemy" and prayed that God might show him the light and restore his marriage? I haven't, and I need to repent. We scavenge the Internet to dig up scandals because we have assumed the role of "radical end-time watchman". Once again, I don't support TB and Lakeland, but let's pray for them at least.
SpiritLevelBubble 3 years ago
Dear SpiritLever: It would be more important to pray for the people these demonic invaders of the church have deceived.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
Exactly true. I did not cry over Todd and his family although I feel sorry especially for his kids but all those hundreds of thousands of people all over the world who have been deceived have my prayers and especially seeing video's of demonic impartations, yes, that did make me cry. I have lost many friends and contacts and suffered loss in the ministry because I am warning people for the wolves and continue to do so. Everyone for himself needs to be careful not to overdo it.
OStark 3 years ago 2
When I mentioned "godly sorrow for what's going on", I meant the whole Lakeland thing. My point is, there are so many videoes published with a view to "exposing" the bad stuff, which in itself is fine, but many of them smack of "tabloidism", sensationalism, and ridicule. It feels as if people are happy to see others fall and do mistakes. That is NOT Christ-like behavior! The Bible speaks about correction and rebuke, but with a view to restoring those that are off track.
SpiritLevelBubble 3 years ago
Dear Spirittlevel: The best thing that came out of this revival was the EXPOSING of Peter Wagner and his "apostles and prophets" as being the agents of evil and greed that they are. If someone followed this revival and still attends a church that has a pastor who is a Peter Wagner apostle, that person is deceived on purpose, and is probably beyond any hope.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
As I said earlier, it is good that these things are exposed, but that is not what I'm getting at. I'm talking about the SPIRIT (or motive) in which this so-called exposing is done. Let's warn, let's expose, let's defend the Gospel, but let's also remember grace. That's my last word. God bless.
SpiritLevelBubble 3 years ago
@SpiritLevelBubble And we pray that his followers realize that the reason that those like Todd are allowed to propagate his garbage, is that it is Gods judgement on the rebellious( to give them what they want) to allow them to be misled
bigbadwolff1 1 year ago
@SpiritLevelBubble lets pray that Todd turns from his evil ,self serving,message. Pray that the Holy Spirit intervenes and touches his rebellious heart, so he can pubically repent and guide those he misled to the Light. We pray that Todd thanks God for revealing the true state of his heart and motives.
bigbadwolff1 1 year ago
Why do all those leaders on stage appear drugged or is it just me who sees it?
OStark 3 years ago 3
Heavy drinking, drugs, and illicit sex run deep in Peter Wagner's "Prophets of Perversion."
Roberts Liardon, one of the 25 "apostles" on Pete's inner council stepped down from his pulpit for 90 days restoration when he had to admit to a "love affair" with his MALE youth pastor. And of course the "main" prophet Paul Cain was chastened for Heavy Drinking and homosexuality, Tedd Haggard, Pete's Partner in the World Prayer Center left his church because of Dealing with Male prostitue drug dealer.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
Lakeland has become Fakeland
Knew it all along
Todd TV is God TV
God Tv cant copewithout him they are broadcasting J JOHN re runs
some revival !!!
Peter Jenkins
Renewal christian centre
ddeellboy 3 years ago
Thanks Ddeelboy!
God bless,
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
Jim Goll is from the OCCULT.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
Seriously this: When you point your finger at something, do you always do it thumb up, index finger out, three fingers firmly pressed against your palm? Most likely your fingers are more lose. Try do it with lose fingers, and move your hand around. Notice where your pinky goes. It's very likely that his hand movements are randon, and until otherwise is PROVED; I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you want to do "apologetics", at least stick to clear facts, not speculation.
SpiritLevelBubble 3 years ago
Dear SpirittLevelBubble: All of the new agers in Peter Wagner's ICA have jumped ship on TODD. He even embarrasses the those in the occult.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
That doesn't surprise me. Listen, I do not support Todd Bentley, Patricia King, nor any of his comrades, and I think it's important to disclose things. HOWEVER, what I was trying to get across to maxtube22 was simply that I think his/her methods and rhetoric were dodgy. If we know people operate with false doctrine, fine, let's use Scripture to reprove them. But to me it undermines the noble cause of apologetics to resort to speculation and guessing.
SpiritLevelBubble 3 years ago
Sign of Satan at 1:37
maxtube22 3 years ago
Hi Max, you are right,
Thanks,
Jim
BARNUMandBENTLEY 3 years ago
Come on, dude ... I don't support these guys either, but seriously ...
SpiritLevelBubble 3 years ago
Seriously what? Do you have a habit of naturally making the sign of Satan when you are talking to people? It is not a random gesture of the hand to make that sign, but you must think so.
I don't reject these people's false religion because they may only make the sign of Satan, I reject their false religion because it is of a false jesus and a different gospel.
I just mentioned the sign as a side note because I do think it is still noteworthy and I don't think it was random.
maxtube22 3 years ago
get em!
LocalPastor 3 years ago
Blaze25z
Bless the name of the only begotten son of God! I hear ya also! Praise, Honor, Glory and reverence be to our precious Lord Jesus Christ!
vinoboyle 3 years ago
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What God is doing let no man come against less my wrath destroys all of you! I come not in hate but in love and power to heal the sick, cast out Demons but in your hardness of hearts I withdraw this covenant I made with the nations and your sick will die and I will raise up a shepherd that will not care for the sick or those in need and I will turn away my face from your cries and of dispare, my prophets have cried out for your diliverance but you kill them at the gates of sheol.
ravenwolf789 3 years ago
I was resurrected from the dead... The day God by His grace, drew me by His Spirit, to a place of brokeness and godly sorrow for my sins, after hearing the message of the gospel of Jesus Christ, granted to me repentance of my sins, and by the One who paid the price for my sins on the cross with His precious blood, who took my place, and I was resurrected to new life in Christ, justified before God, given His Spirit. Redeemed.. Thank God, for the gift of salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ!
Blaze25z 3 years ago
AMEN, Blaze!!
Jim
JimQualls 3 years ago
DITTO Jim
ForIsrael 3 years ago
DITTO ForIsrael
Jerusalem4Jews 3 years ago
The time has come that after all the warnings to the mentors of Todd Bentley and Todd himself to answer for their deception and nobody wants to stand up and be accountable. This is so much them! Teach miracles, signs wonders, speak strange experiences to attract the vulnerable and sick in spirit and when the true and living God shines light on them, they run for the trees! This is there fruit they are hirelings! REPENTANCE waits, Judgment is at the door!
vinoboyle 3 years ago
The time has come that after all the warnings to the mentors of Todd Bentley and Todd himself to answer for their deception and nobody wants to stand up and be accountable. This is so much them! Teach miracles, signs wonders, speak strange experiences to attract the vulnerable and sick in spirit and when the true and living God shines light on them, they run for the trees! This is there fruit they are hirelings! REPENTANCE waits, Judgment is at the door!
vinoboyle 3 years ago
How can the dead raise the dead? Yea Todd, he can feel you kicking him...as you continue to tickle ears and speak your lies in hypocricy
YouThoughtYouKnew 3 years ago
I heard a story about a very sick man who was approached about going to the Bentley revival for healing. He replied, "What's the hurry. If I die, he can resurrect me, so I'll just see if the medicine helps first." (Not a true story, just one I concocted to show how silly these people really are,)
God bless,
Jim
JimQualls 3 years ago
LOL!!! I hear ya!
YouThoughtYouKnew 3 years ago
Thanks, I was thinking of my friend Henry Baruch who just died. Some people came to him and tried to get him to go to Lakeland. I had given him the "Angelic Hosts" article several years ago, so he knew about Bentley. He just told them no, he didn't think Todd could help.
JimQualls 3 years ago
And we know that Todd wouldn't have been able to help him. I hope to meet your friend in glory Jim...and thank God he refused the invites to go to Lakeland...thank God!
God Bless you and give you GREAT peace and comfort in His Son (The Word of God) Jesus Christ!
Curtis
YouThoughtYouKnew 3 years ago
Thanks, YTYK, Henry was a great guy. He was a fairly new Christian but he had a good eye for the phonies. He would see something strange on Christian TV and he would call me and ask "where do these idiots get this stuff?"
God bless,
Jim
JimQualls 3 years ago
Jquails; Those silly people are Jesus'Brothers and Sistas. You Carnal Seekers are going to be very Surprized at the Judgement Seat of Messiah if you make it there..... :}
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Seakeer2 3 years ago
Dear Seakeer: There is NO visible evidence that these people should be considered "Brothers in Christ" anymore than any new age dream interpreter you could find on a psychic 900 line.
JimQualls 3 years ago 2
When did Abba Father make you the Final Authority and THE Judge of someone's Eternal Life? Only God knows All men's hearts.The World is Watching You and Us! If you were to continue to speak about Brethern the way you do Why would anyone want to be a part of those kind of hypocrites? Not me! Unless you are a Tare then we will have to put up with you till the end.:) To All Precious Seekers, Jesus taught Us there would be Tares among Us in the last days. TaRes look like Wheat but have NO Fruit. :)
Seakeer2 3 years ago
Dear Seakeer2: What are you talking about? There is no evidence these people are Bible believing Christians.
I think Todd is a great performer. If he were on the comedy channel I would be his fan. In church I think he is detestable and a danger to the salvation of others.
JimQualls 3 years ago
>>> The Word taught me years ago how to Recognize someone who claims to be a Follower of Jesus; If what they Say, Write, and other Actions do Not have LOVE,
which includes; Compassion, Grace and Mercy, for ALL Men and Brethern, then they are an Imposter and Hypocrite!
Jesus recognized and called people Hypocrites more than anyone else in the Bible?
John 13...Love One Another; AS I have LoVeD You,By ThIs ShAll All MEN kNoW that ye are MY DiSciPlEs, if you have LOVE one To AnOtHeR.
:}
Seakeer2 3 years ago
1 Tim 6:5
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
KJV
JimQualls 3 years ago 4
Just Repent and tell Abba Father you are sorry and will change your attitude towards His CHildren. You must be a very young babe in Christ. Take a good look at a baby?
Matthew 12:36-37 But I say unto you,That EvERry Idle WorD that men shall speak, they shall GiVe AcCoUnt thereof in the Day of JuDgMenT. For by thy words thou shalt be JUSTIFIED, and by thy words thou shalt be CONDEMNED. Thus saith the Lord? This means you too if you have to Appear Before the Judgment Seat of Christ? 2 Cor 5:10
Seakeer2 3 years ago
May God have mercy on him...
Specilum 3 years ago
Bayaaam
kjvonly01 3 years ago