Liberal bias in the media, implies that more than half of all the independent and major media outlets are corrupted.
It's a comical notion, because it implies that the majority of media outlets are corrupted while only a choosen few are exempted from said corruption.
Realistically, wouldn't it be the other way around?
With all the forms of broadcasting these days, i've heard the media is becoming more and more the voice of the people. Perhaps, im just becoming naive.
While you were bitching about liberals.... 60 politicians 44 of them conservatives just destroyed the United States constitution. As of 11/30/2011, the US federal government issued that they have the right to send in the military to march on your town, kill protesters, search your house, kidnap civilians and put them in internment camps for life without a trial or evidence.
Beck would call me a liberal but I am sympathetic to him on this matter. However humour is always slippery if it's any good and Beck knows exactly what he was doing. I just wish people would stop throwing petrol on the fire and then selling tickets to whole disaster.
Its amazing to read these comments. It kinda summarizes what's wrong with the left today. Even in the face of major evidence that they were lied to, they still blame Glenn Beck. Because they can't admit that they are wrong about... anything.
Even with major evidence that Beck was right... they can't admit it. Its sad to watch their reactions.
@johnabbottnet You're overgeneralizing, i'm not part of the ''left'' or ''right'' paradigm and i personally view Beck as dishonest. If Beck was right about something, i'd give him accolades, but the unfortunate truth is that he's lies consistently in support for his ''right wing'' agenda that he feeds people. Everybody has an agenda, but Becks agenda and even Fox News' agenda as a whole is quite obvious. I wish it were otherwise, but the truth is the truth,
@dchains "If Beck was right about something, i'd give him accolades,"
No you wouldn't.
You can't even do so here, where its completely obvious that Beck was right. If you can't do so here, in the face of incontrovertible proof that Beck was right... how on earth would you be clear-minded enough to judge him at any other time?
That's what makes your agenda obvious. You can't admit that he was right, here.
the "lefty biased" was created by escapist whom wish to poison the well, for everyone who disagrees with them. Majority of American's are liberal, we just don't care about them because they don't vote.
which is more likely:
-there's a global liberal conspiracy infecting all major networks except FoxNews.
-Or some wealthy foreigner is using his news group to siphon american funds.
@ChickenFaeces You do get that this very video pwn3s ppl like you?
Beck demonstrated how his words get distorted by Media Matters, Olbermann, and the New York Times, in a way that can only be described as criminally lying about someone... and all you can do is call him a hypocrite?
Well, great. Maybe you can come up with an example of Beck lying about someone else as much as Media Matters, Olberman, and the NYT lied about him in this case?
People like me? I didn't realize that I was part of the liberal media... I don't think they're the cancer that Fox and Beck seem to think they are, but I still don't really appreciate being lumped into categories.
As far as examples of Beck lying, I don't know how you've managed to avoid them thus far. There's been numerous shows where he's said the Democratic party has been consumed by the Progressive party, and in the next breath said that the Progressive party=Communists.
"People like me? I didn't realize that I was part of the liberal media."
I didn't call you part of the liberal media. I said ppl "like you" just got P'ow3d.
"I don't think they're the cancer that Fox and Beck seem to think they are, but I still don't really appreciate being lumped into categories."
You just be a college student, then. People get lumped into categories all of the time based on their opinions. I know that you think your opinions are original. They are not.
@johnabbottnet Your comment wasn't addressed towards me but: Opinions are meaningless. There was a time when ''smart'' authors and professors wrote about how man would never fly, and the Wright Brothers never read those books and invented the flying machine. Opinions get you know where if you're not educated enough on the subject, so wrong opinions do exist.
"Opinions get you know where if you're not educated enough on the subject, so wrong opinions do exist."
1) Learn how to form sentences if you're going to talk about what is 'smart'
2) You are mixing opinions with scientific conclusions. The ppl who said that man would never fly weren't expressing opinions if they were scientists coming to scientific conclusions.
1) I see you still have a strong ego attached to your arguments, as you did not correct or point out any of my supposed errors in the sentence.
2) No, their opinions were based off of ignorance, since they didn't know enough about the subject they made baseless assumptions in the form of opinions.
3)That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. Hence why opinions are worthless.
@dchains "1) I see you still have a strong ego attached to your arguments, as you did not correct or point out any of my supposed errors in the sentence."
You wrote:
"Opinions get you know where if you're not educated enough"
I -think- you meant "nowhere". But you wrote "know where". If you're, uh, not educated enough.
Again, I can't tell if you're purposefully being ironic.
@johnabbottnet Thank you for the correction. Again, im not trying to be rude, because if you are capable of thinking then you have an ego everybody does. You just need to learn to control it more in arguments (not being mean)
As i am not trying to ''win'' any arguments, but it seems like that's your purpose thus an ego.
@johnabbottnet I'm just replaying to your comments, im not arguing with you. If i was wrong i would surely admit it. But i don't see any flaw in what im saying, and if there is, then you must ask of what you don't understand.
And i never went on a tangent about egos, i just addressed that issue because it seems like you are trying to defend your opinions by being rude which generally indicates that you are uncomfortable that someone is disagreeing which is ego kicking in.
@johnabbottnet A debate tends to be different from an argument emotionally, all im doing is replying and making my point. I don't see why ''just replying with yes'' would do, as that doesn't contribute anything.
And i try my best not to project an ego, that's why i try to move past name calling in debates/arguments. And your last sentence is an example of ego ''You can't admit that Beck is right in the video'', im not admitting it because it's not true.
@dchains "And your last sentence is an example of ego ''You can't admit that Beck is right in the video'', im not admitting it because it's not true."
@johnabbottnet I actually didn't watch the video until now and he did a good job defending what was meant as a joke, the media blew it out of proportion. But besides that, he's still the same old lying Glenn Beck. This is one instance where he was able to get a good stab and defend himself, but again, that doesn't change my view of him as dishonest. As there are many videos showing Becks lies if you look for them and in those instances the media was in the right attacking him.
Wait, wait, wait. How come you call it "blowing it out of proportion"?
dchains, you clearly have no problem using the word "lie", so why not use it here? Think Progress, Media Matters, Olbermann, and the New York Times... ALL lied! They actively looked past the fact that Beck was joking.
OR
Its completely possible that they are like you. You're right here. You could have watched it. You didn't. This entire time.
@johnabbottnet But they did blow it out of proportion, i never stated that they didn't lie.(they did, but me not using that terminology in that comment is irrelevant)
@dchains "But they did blow it out of proportion, i never stated that they didn't lie.(they did, but me not using that terminology in that comment is irrelevant) "
It wouldn't matter if you hadn't given such a wide interpretation of the word 'lie'. You were super comfy using the term "lie" to describe Beck's comments, but have reluctance to use that in the media sources. Its not "blowing it out of proportion" when you straight out lie.
@johnabbottnet I don't see the relevance in that, i already complimented him in saying that he defending himself well and that the media was incorrect in their accusations to say that he thinks Obama's the anti-Christ.
The relevance is that until you say that Beck was right, its not going to sink in that Beck is regularly portrayed unfairly in the media. Until then, you'll just mentally stick in that mode you've set up for yourself, where you won't even watch the video because you presume that beck has lied.
That's what makes it relevant.
Until you can admit that Beck was telling the truth, you can't admit that it was the rest of the media lying about Beck.
@dchains "but again, that doesn't change my view of him as dishonest. "
Of course it doesn't.
You are unwilling to be moved. So much so, that you didn't watch this until JUST NOW!
dchains,I know that you like to think of yourself as being flexible and capable of changing your mind... but you just demonstrated the biggest example of how someone can be hard-programmed to be inflexible.You even ADMIT that the media conspired to "exaggerate" (your term) or LIE (mine). Yet, you think its a fluke?
I know that you tried to find a quote where Van Jones said that he isn't embracing communism anymore.
But you can't find it.
Because it doesn't exist.
But you can't admit that... because as much as you say that your ego isn't wrapped up in this... it is. You have a real problem admitting that you were wrong.
Even here. You said that Beck wasn't right "in this video" WHEN YOU HADN'T EVEN WATCHED IT.
@johnabbottnet Sorry or not proving any clear insight, here's his quotes: "I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."
@johnabbottnet To finish off he said this: ''I realized that there are a lot of people who are capitalists who are really committed to fairly significant change in the economy, and were having bigger impacts than me and a lot of my friends with our protest signs,' he said."
There was another article if i can find it where he says that he turned away from Communism in turn for a revolution through Capitalism, which that quote states quite clearly.
@dchains Oh, come on Dchains! There is no part of that quote that 'states clearly' that Van Jones turned away from communism. All it says is that he realized that capitalists were having a greater change on the economy then he was with his protest signs! (go figure)
On the other hand... you DO actually have him sarcastically asking a questioner (who is asking him about marxism, and if it works) "how's that capitalism working for you??"
@dchains So you have Van Jones openly mocking capitalism (when questioned about marxism) in 2009, but you didn't feel that was anti-capitalist? And yet, you say that your quote (from 2005) is Van Jones dismissing communism, when he did no such thing???
You're smothering me in your hypocrisy and double standards.
@johnabbottnet Mocking Capitalism doesn't indicate anything, ive mocked Capitalism and it's flaws but im not a Communist or Marxist. And i never said that in the quote he dismissed Communism, but that he says he has changed from radicalization by taking on Communist/Marxist ideologies and instead changed towards activism threw Capitalism.
@dchains "Mocking Capitalism doesn't indicate anything, ive mocked Capitalism and it's flaws but im not a Communist or Marxist."
To your credit, you haven't SAID that you were a communist or marxist.
Van Jones DID!
Moreover, you're trying to say that he 'changed over' to 'activism through capitalism', when all he did was say that he saw others doing so. Quite different. Wouldn't you say?
@dchains Now obviously... you could have ignored that video too. Maybe you didn't watch it. But it seems obvious to me that a guy who proclaimed himself to be a marxist, who is asked about his philosophies 'sounding' marxist, and who responds with "How's that capitalism working for you?" might just be...
...say it with me...
"Marxist"
This was in 2009.
Again; you've yet to come up with him distancing himself from Marxism.
@dchains "As there are many videos showing Becks lies if you look for them"
Are these more videos that you haven't watched? Or cases where Media Matters has told you that Glenn lied? Or was it Olbermann? Or the New York Times?
@johnabbottnet No, all you have to do is search here on Youtube and you'll find dozens of videos where is lies, here's one to get you started: /watch?v=eFWOLSIhYMg&feature=fvst
I can also link you to a few article if you'd like.
@dchains You have GOT to be kidding me? The "young turks"? Cenk? The guy who used to sub for Olbermann, then was given his own show?
That's your source?
Wait; before you accuse me of not being specific: why doesn't Cenk give the date of the clip, like Beck always does? Why does Cenk have to mislead about what Beck said, RIGHT AFTER playing the clip? Why does Cenk accuse BECK of exaggeration, and THEN suggest that conservatives are going to get violent??
@dchains I mean, if you're going to accuse Beck of lying... shouldn't you include the lie?
Instead, we have Cenk going on and on and on about how he doesn't like the derisive use of the word "progressive" and his incredible interpretation of Beck's comments that he's AGAINST DEMOCRACY.
C'mon.
Let's look past the fact that this is yet ANOTHER clip of Beck actually saying "research what I'm saying." Only a complete idiot would come to the conclusion that Beck was rallying against democracy!
@dchains "2) No, their opinions were based off of ignorance, since they didn't know enough about the subject they made baseless assumptions in the form of opinions."
You talked about scientists making scientific conclusions.
If a scientist says that 'man will never fly', then gives reasons why man will never fly, that is a scientific conclusion... not an opinion.
Scientific conclusions are often wrong. But that's science. Its often wrong as we learn better.
@johnabbottnet You're making the assumption that they were educated in aerospace engineering which they were not, they based what they wrote on what they assumed wasn't possible hence their ''reasons'' were based off ignorance. I don't see how you don't understand this.
@dchains "You're making the assumption that they were educated in aerospace engineering..."
I neither said, nor assumed that.
Now why would you say that I assumed that, when of course, I did not?
Its impossible for someone to be educated in aerospace engineering when there was none. Their conclusions were based off of the science at the time. Their conclusions were wrong.
Scientific conclusions CAN be wrong. That is the nature of progress.
@johnabbottnet When you say that they were educated in their overviews of how men could never fly, you are making the assumption that they understood what it would take for such creation to be possible, even if that branch of science didn't exist that doesn't excuse their ignorance based opinions.
It's like how ''Gods'' came about, science wasn't developed so they made baseless assumptions that it was an invisible man in the sky. Instead of just saying ''i don't know''.
@johnabbottnet That's partly untrue, scientific conclusions are met with evidence, if you don't have evidence or information, you are unable to conclude anything. So in that instance you can still have an opinion, but it is baseless because of the lack of information.
And if i remember you said that they made their opinions out of knowing ''science'' or something along those lines which is why i was arguing that that's incorrect and their opinions were based on ignorance.
@johnabbottnet I know enough about Glenn to understand the information he pushes, i understand Glenn enough to see he consistently lies to serve his agenda. I know him enough to not trust him.
And when did i ever mention that Beck said the Democratic party was being consumed by the Progressive party?
"That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. "
Beck forms his -opinions- of the left by what the left says or does. He's very specific in his statements, and includes videos of the people that he's talking about SAYING the things that he's talking about. When he accused Van Jones of being a communist, he showed Van Jones talking about being a Communist! Go figure.
@johnabbottnet Actually Van Jones was a Communist when he was younger(he has said that), but back then lots of peoples ideologies were similar, but he grew out of it, something Beck doesn't want you to know. He wants you to think that he's trying to push a Communist agenda, but again, his ''opinions'' are based off of ignorance and his bias agenda.
If he told the truth, i'd be fine with him, but he doesn't so i have my issues with him.
@dchains "Actually Van Jones was a Communist when he was younger(he has said that), but back then lots of peoples ideologies were similar, but he grew out of it, "
1) Whatever 'lots' of ppl thought is irrelevant to Van Jones being a communist
2) If you think Van Jones 'grew out of it', then please, show us your reasoning for that
3) in the meantime, why has Van Jones downed capitalism?
@johnabbottnet But he never mentioned he was a Communist in that video, we just said ''hows Capitalism working out for you?'' a bunch of times. He was just saying that this system isn't working, but he never suggested Communism as a replacement,
@johnabbottnet All i can do is take his word for it, he stated that he was a communist back in those days and that we doesn't embrace those ideologies anymore. My opinion is based on him saying that he's not, the burden of proof in on your to prove that what he is stating is wrong and that he is still pushing Communism.
And even if he's hostile towards Capitalism, so what?, that has no ties to the baseless claims that he's a Communist.
@dchains "All i can do is take his word for it, he stated that he was a communist back in those days and that we doesn't embrace those ideologies anymore. "
Wait... wait... when???
If you're going to say that he's said that... cool. Its actually news that Van Jones isn't embracing communism anymore. Heck, if he said that before he was fired, he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Show us the quote! Give us the source!
"And even if he's hostile towards Capitalism, so what?"
@dchains "but back then lots of peoples ideologies were similar, but he grew out of it, something Beck doesn't want you to know."
I can't get past this statement.
You said that "Beck" doesn't want us to know that Van Jones "grew out" of communism.
Since you're a fact-based kinda guy, you "know" that Van Jones grew out of it. Right? Soo... how do you know this? At what point did Van Jones denounce communism? When did Van Jones 'correct' himself?
"That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. "
Most ppl who talk about Beck have second hand knowledge of him. They read Media Matters, or read HuffPo, and form their conclusions. This entire event, in the video above, shows EXACTLY how Beck's statements are distorted. Now granted, this is ONE of the more extreme cases. But it just goes to show that YOU shouldn't say something on someone you know nothing about. Correct?
@johnabbottnet I have no problem with people encouraging others to learn, i never said i was against that. But he lies consistently, i'm not apart of the ''left'' or ''right'' paradigm, but he's conservative agenda is clear and we have seen over and over again that he is willing to lie for that agenda.
@dchains "I have no problem with people encouraging others to learn, i never said i was against that. But he lies consistently,"
Look; if you honestly think this, then you'd have given an example by now.
Instead, you've been dodging answering questions for a day. You've literally decided that somehow, calling Van Jones a communist is off... even though Van Jones HIMSELF said he's one. "How's that capitalism working for you?"
"As far as examples of Beck lying, I don't know how you've managed to avoid them thus far"
On the contrary, this is one of the cases where the left said that Beck was saying one thing, only to have it proven that he didn't say that.
I'm absolutely sure that you believe what you believe. Because someone told you Beck was evil. But rather then research it, and prove me wrong, you just give vague statements about how Beck equates the DNC with progressive with communists; that's opinion.
Which leads me to my last point: I think that you're a little fuzzy on what a lie is.
If I say that you are a communist because you tell me that you like progressive causes, that doesn't make me a liar. It is my opinion that you are a communist.
On the other hand, if I took a video of you laughing while asking someone if Obama is the anti-Christ, and I said that you wanted to know if Barack was the anti-christ while leaving the laughter out, I'm being dishonest.
@johnabbottnet You're comment wasn't address towards me, but i shall butt in. Calling someone a Communist based on such a blanket statement as ''someone liking progressive causes'' is an opinion based on ignorance(not being mean).
@johnabbottnet Your ego is showing again, as an opinion is already well defined to me. I think you're having a difficult time with the idea that lots of opinions are based on ignorance and that in turn does have a negative affect on the world.
10 women could walk about your house or apartment and i could have lots of opinions. But it is all based on ignorance if i'm unwilling to understand the other possibilities. Again, opinions are worthless.
People believe what Liberals tell them because T.V. stations like CNN and MSNBC twist it to where it makes us conservatives look like the bad guys. They also say Fox News is one sided because one sided stations say its one sided when in fact, it is not. I watch all stations and I'll be the first to say that Fox is more so than not accurate on topics. Liberals are warped, morally corrupted, socialistic assholes.
Well glen beck did clearly ask him. It is a serious theological question to a true believer and it is a political show so there would be no reason for this preacher to consider the question to be a joke.
The second clip seems to imply that Glen beck had just been talking about how Obama was the Anti-Christ.
I think it makes sense to assume that if you say something on an opinion show you are likely trying to promote that opinion. Why would he keep mentioning the idea and not let it die?
the irony of how he's showing how liberals use blog posts as information that eventually turns into news, is that fox has done the exact same thing, and they've done it with acorn and planned parenthood
@SpruceDread4578 Thank you for the comment, I've been thinking that forever and I'm glad to know others think so too. It's sad that lefties and righties don't realize that the only bias is the one they make up in their own fucking head. It's either the goverment or the corporations...or it's the stupid people. Maybe I'm nick-picking.....
Its too bad there is no liberal media except on NPR PBS and the internert. Its all controlled by coprorations producing at best fake liberalism to get the right wing hate nutters riled up for elections and to continue to blind the ignorant idiots who vote GOP and for the downfall of the once great USA.
Right on Glenn. I just got my "signed" copy of your book, "Arguing with idiots" in the mail yesterday. I dont understand why people slander this guy!!! Go kick some trolls Beck.
A populist is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. They are known for railing against "modern America" or you could say "corporate America". Because they distance themselves from the free market, they are not fiscal conservatives.
It seems that Glenn Beck completely missed or ignored the sarcasm in Hagee's reply. Hagee was actually trying to make a case that Obama was indeed the "anti-christ" until Beck interrupted him.
@nsdtr01 Beck spelled out an unimpeachable example of how the liberal media makes up smears against conservatives and runs with them. If you don't see that, (A) your comprehension skills are poor and/or (B) you're intellectually dishonest. If you do see that but still say the video is "dumb," then apparently (C) you only hate the video because you hate Beck regardless of the evidence he uses (which fits in with B also). Or (D) you're a liar who didn't watch the video. So which is it?
@MyTotalRemedy You're the dense one if you think all the media is the same or that the MAJORITY of the does not lean Left. Their leanings have been proven by both scientific studies and polls of people in the media, and polls of the general populace agree that they're liberal. So, again, he's not the dense one here.
He's a member of a network at this time that's supposedly part of the liberal media. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you if he's including his employers. If he's not talking about his employers, that would be hypocritical (or maybe CNN isn't really liberally biased).
He's on the liberal media. Is he taking jabs at his own network? Or does he exempt his own network? You don't work for Company X while maligning company X, they would have every right to fire you.
@MyTotalRemedy How many times does a freshman-or-worse-grade sophist such as yourself have to be told the exact same thing before it gets through their thick skull that playing word games is no substitute for even ATTEMPTING to make a logical point? I destroyed the entire premise of your last comment before you made it. In fact, I destroyed it in the very comment you are replying to. Conclusion? You are dense.
You having nothing but name-calling and personal insults proves that I struck a nerve with you, and I won this.
Words have meanings. If Glenn Beck is a libertarian because he says he is, then I guess McCain is a conservative because HE says he is. Doesn't line up with their platform? Neither does Beck.
Pro-Drug War, religious right, pro Patriot Act, pro-Iraq war, he's a phony.
There's a difference between what a libertarian and what a Republican (or conservative) thinks!
You know what I think is Funny, that Glenn Beck thinks his Conservaitve. He believes in High Spend, a Pointless war and supports a Liberal known as Sarah Palin. Its so funny he thinks hes a Conservative Libertarian when he is Fiscally Liberal.
@skatepunkzero What's funny is morons like you proclaiming what Beck does and does not believe when the instant your bile leaves your mouth it becomes clear that you have no clue what you're talking about.
@canofsand Yeah I have no clue what I am talking about, Beck claims to be Libertarian yet hae hates on Libertarians like Ron Paul, supports Bush(oh wait now he doesn't like bush any more) Supports a Liberals like Huckabee and Palin who both have helped damage the republican party. I can tell your probably one of those Anti-Libertarian Republicans. Sorry but the Republican is liberal now other than Ron Paul.
@skatepunkzero "Yeah I have no clue what I am talking about"
You can say that again. Seriously, you think liking Ron Paul is a litmus test for libertarianism, and you just make crap up about Beck's views that directly contradicts what he's actually repeatedly said and explained at length. That's just clueless.
@skatepunkzero I'm sorry, but Beck gets to decide what his views are, not you. You can disagree with the label he gives himself, but you aren't intellectually honest if you do so while mischaracterizing his views in order to support your (nonexistent) case.
@canofsand I never said he didn't get to decide his own views. He claims to be Libertarian, yet all his views are Liberal like LBJ, Woodrow Wilson, Bush or Palin.
Yet he calls conservatives like Alex Jones, and Ron Paul Liberal.
You go ahead and support your crappy Sarah Palin or Mitt Rommeny Cause, and Ill go and support Ron Paul a true Conservative! I can tell your definitely an anti-libertarian Republican
@skatepunkzero Stop playing word games. I know you didn't SAY he doesn't get to decide his own views. I never said you did. You DID, however, effectively TRY to "decide" them for him. You put words in his mouth ("views," really, since you don't even say what he said that could rationally* lead to your conclusions). And you put them in my mouth as well. What, exactly, did I say that's "anti-libertarian?"
* Ron Paul - and _especially_ Alex Jones - don't have a monopoly on libertarianism.
@canofsand Lets see, you like Glen Beck who is a neocon and most Glen Beck fans hate Libertarians. Also Glen Beck supported the Patriot Act(a Liberal View) supports the pointless war in Iraq(A Liberal view), supports Sarah Palin(a Liberal), He is has critised just about every major Libertarian on his show. He is very much a Neocon Liberal. becks views are simialr to Woodrow Wilson, Bush, Reagan which are all Liberals.
You support and seem to agree with this guy which makes you Liberal.
neocon - noun - a term more likely to be misused than used correctly, usu applied to conservatives
Glen Beck - noun - a fictional person that Glenn Beck-haters have conjured up as a personification of their straw man arguments. AKA, a misspelling of "Glenn Beck" used primarily by people who are incredibly ignorant of the man.
Glen Beck fans - noun - the fictional fans of the straw man "Glen Beck" to which Glenn Beck-haters ascribe all sorts of fictional attributes and actions
Neocon-Noun- a term applied to Liberals like Nixon, Reagan, the Bush's, Bill O'Reily, Rush Limbaugh, and many others who have Liberal views of that like LBJ, Woodrow Wilson and FDR but they claim to be Conservative
Glen Beck- nounA neocon talk show host, claims to be libertarian, uet preaches Neoconism.
Glen Beck Fans- noun Hardcore Neocons, known for watching beck, calling Libertarians Liberal and supporting Sarah Palin, Huckabee, the war in Iraq, etc.
@skatepunkzero Yawn. You continue to use the label (which you continue to misdefine) yet fail to demonstrate how the label fits (even under your incorrect definition). You don't even try. You are a failure.
@canofsand I gave you examples, I told how the label fits. A necon is a Liberal who claims to be conservative like Beck, O'Reily bush. If you look at there views you will see they are moderate Fissically Liberal and socially conservative. There they are Neocons, Populist or Liberals.
You are the failure since you support Necons and don't know about political views.
Let's talk about intellectual honesty. It's intellectually dishonest to claim to be something (a libertarian) when you don't support any of their platform the GOP doesn't already have. He's no more libertarian than James Dobson is. A neocon.
And fiscally conservative? He's more socially conservative and fiscally populist. Same with O'Reilly.
@MyTotalRemedy Libertarians are a diverse group. Closed-minded "liberaltarians," as they are known in less-closed-minded libertarian circles, are not.
@MyTotalRemedy And Glenn Beck criticizes the GOP all the time. If you actually paid attention to Beck himself and not blogs from Beck-haters, you'd know that. But you don't, and you most likely won't for quite some time, since you and your ilk are hate-fueled drones.
Is a "liberaltarian" one who would not see Beck as one of their own? Because that would be 99% of them right there! He doesn't see Ron Paul as one of his own! Thinks his supporters are "terrorist sympathizers" for daring to question GW Bush. What in your narrow mind consists of a libertarian? What makes them DIFFERENT from a Republican?
They don't trust him because he's like a politician claiming to be something he's NOT.
@MyTotalRemedy Frankly, I don't put any stock in the opinions of anyone - "libertarian" or otherwise - who attacks Beck for supposedly claiming to be something he's not while THEY claim he's something he is not. Only a hatemonger would do that. Like you.
@MyTotalRemedy YOU claim Beck is a neocon. Does that make him a neocon? YOU say Beck supports Bush (or did until just recently), even though he criticized him *very* strongly long before Obama was even running for President. Does that make him a Bush-supporter (or one until just recently)?
skatepunkzero (and virtually no one else) claims Ron Paul is the ONLY non-"liberal" Republican. Does that make this true? Is that even a CREDIBLE statement to make? Paul isn't an idiot, so he would say "No."
@MyTotalRemedy To answer the questions: No, and no. You obviously know nothing about him. You don't do your own research, do you? (If you did, you'd not only realize how stupid your questions were, you'd also know that Beck tells his viewers/listeners to do their own research and thus any that are truly following him have got a leg up on your ilk.) In any case, what makes and does not make a "neocon" is not determined by you.
@Liton777 Psychological projection is a serious problem, but it's almost comical when someone like Liton does it in response to a video like this. A member of the (fictitious) Team Blue may as well by posting "Team Red hates puppies!!!!111" on a video posted by Team Red that shows proof that Team Blue kicks live puppies across the street for fun.
Excellent video on how the conservative media works!
Glenn Beck was attacked for bringing up a ridiculous argument...not because he "made" the argument. Perpetuating nonsense is how these conspiracy theories get national attention, exactly how some people still think that Obama was not born in Hawaii!
But instead of picking up on that language in the quotes he put on screen (right there for everyone), he turned it into a "liberal attack" on him.
@mcdrums8706 Excellent comment on how the liberal mind works! When presented with facts and a timeline that incontrovertibly show bias and blatantly false smears on the part of the Left, the Leftist hand-waves it away and then blames the victim.
@mcdrums8706 Beck lays out an EXAMPLE - fully documented, indisputable EXAMPLE, not just some theory - of Leftist media bias, then you come by and say it shows CONSERVATIVE bias (textbook psychological projection right there!), I call you on it, and you say *I'M* PROJECTING (especially egregious psychological projection!).
When is this from? 2006? 2007? Beck's understanding of things is typical of conservative commentators here. This is right around the time where he's finding out the truth about Bush. Most newsmakers attend a school that teaches them a very liberal way of looking at things. That's the bias. But it's not overt or intentional. They believe they're doing their job. What IS overt is when you get international corporations involved. MSNBC is the worst example, actually.
let the useless eaters die, look at them squible about garbage that is of no substance. As a matter of fact I guess we will continue to feed you useless eaters this trash so what little brains you have will have no more room in them to actually turn your attention to us, you little people are so easy to deceive. How about a little blonde girl goes missing tomorow to captivate your attention for weeks when in reallity every 90 seconds someone in america goes missing. maybe a new diet, lyndsy,ipod
@FrostbittenWolf The media is liberal and only the willfully ignorant don't believe that's what they are. Polls show the American people believe it leans Left, and more importantly polls of the media show THEY lean Left, and more important still, scientific studies PROVE they lean Left. You liberal-media-deniers are pathetic.
Speaking of willfully ignorant, you going to tell me just where you saw those polls? I'd be willing to bet money it was either through Fox themselves, an unreliable company, or another fun little case where Fox News presents a poll claiming that it proves that the other media companies are left leaning when the questions asked had nothing to do with political affiliation of the actual news content.
@FrostbittenWolf Unlike your opinion, mine reflects the data. Most recent data says FNC's news programs lean to the Right about as much as CNN's does to the Left - but I'd guess if it were studied again, CNN would be seen as going Left more than they were at the time, if the polling trends and more recent story data from them I've seen are any indicator. All the other big players lean more to the Left than CNN does. Fox News's coverage of the 2008 election was statistically the most balanced.
And with that, this conversation ends. It hardly takes a genius to see that Fox News is right leaning with almost 100% consistency. To try and claim CNN leans at a similar degree would require CNN to hire Bernie Sanders as a pundit, constantly let only liberal personalities on (Good luck finding one in this country) and whenever a conservative voice comes on, have some old misogynist yell at him, interrupt him constantly, and tell him to shut up.
FrostbittenWolf: Oh boo hoo, the statistics, the studies from UCLA et al, the polls from multiple institutions - they don't match my preconceived notions! I, an uber-Leftist, consider myself to just be a "moderate" Leftist. Despite the evidence, I consider the U.S. to be a center-Left nation instead of center-Right, and thus, with my warped and skewed perspective, and my many viewings of out of context clips of FNC given to me by Lefty blogs, I must conclude Fox is EVIL. GOOD DAY SIR!!1!
Center-left? A country whose division of wealth is among the most atrocious out of every single developed nation, the worst health care due to privatization and a perverse sense that the healthcare system should be run like a business, and that steadfastly refuses to invest into alternative fuel research heavily due to business interests in fossil fuels doesn't exactly strike me as a CENTER-LEFT nation. Next you'll tell me Saudi Arabia is a moderate nation.
@FrostbittenWolf Wow. Talk about major reading comprehension failure, and in two separate ways at the same time. I didn't say it was center-Left, and you don't appear to know what center-Left even MEANS. Wow. Just... wow. Stupid. Very, very stupid.
Rich accusation coming from someone who believes Fox News. I suppose next you'll tell me that the Republicans consistently fight for small government and that Obama is a Kenyan. I can't help but notice that you only accused me of making an ad hominem attack but never proved me wrong. So tell me, if addressing failures of an information source is always a fallacy, how do you fix a problem with a bad information source?
@FrostbittenWolf I can't help but notice that you attack Fox News because you disagree with them politically and not because there are any statistics to back you up. I, on the other hand, have studies from UCLA (hardly a conservative bastion) and the nonpartisan Project for Excellence in Journalism.
UCLA studies. Give me specifics, i've seen Fox News take a random UCLA poll about who the reporters were voting for and tried to use those results as evidence that they were unbiased.
As for my specifics, what would you like to see? Fox News inviting a conservative personality to talk while not inviting a counterpoint? Giving softball questions to conservative pundits? Not letting liberal guests get a word in? I can provide videos that use Fox News footage if you'd like.
@FrostbittenWolf It was a STUDY, not a poll. It used the same methods used to rate Congressmen on how they lean Left/Right. Fox leaned Right as much as CNN did Left. The others all leaned more Left than CNN. As for the other study, I posted details about it already. Are you not paying attention?
And I don't care about your anecdotal evidence. FNC programs that regularly have gue
This is one very "dangerous" video. =p
buddyrich410 4 days ago
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Liberal bias in the media, implies that more than half of all the independent and major media outlets are corrupted.
It's a comical notion, because it implies that the majority of media outlets are corrupted while only a choosen few are exempted from said corruption.
Realistically, wouldn't it be the other way around?
With all the forms of broadcasting these days, i've heard the media is becoming more and more the voice of the people. Perhaps, im just becoming naive.
NanoEmpyrean 5 days ago
This vid is popular on Iran
gusmcleod922 3 weeks ago
fuck you beck
supertaj1800 3 weeks ago
Reality is a liberal conspiracy
tfustudios 3 weeks ago
Agree or Disagree with Beck, he was 100% spot on here.
KISSROCKS7300 1 month ago
This is the funniest video since tosh.0.
133brod 1 month ago
While you were bitching about liberals.... 60 politicians 44 of them conservatives just destroyed the United States constitution. As of 11/30/2011, the US federal government issued that they have the right to send in the military to march on your town, kill protesters, search your house, kidnap civilians and put them in internment camps for life without a trial or evidence.
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 1 month ago in playlist liberal cons. 3
Olberman was using sarcasm too, you fat faced idiot
SilverSurge1 2 months ago
awww a little taste of your own medicine glenn?
adda241 3 months ago in playlist GLENN BECK
the liberal media.... the conservative media... it's all bullshit. wake up everyone, they're all the fucking same
billythethinker 4 months ago
Beck would call me a liberal but I am sympathetic to him on this matter. However humour is always slippery if it's any good and Beck knows exactly what he was doing. I just wish people would stop throwing petrol on the fire and then selling tickets to whole disaster.
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ya the truth hurts doesn't it america!!!
frannyM11 5 months ago
Its amazing to read these comments. It kinda summarizes what's wrong with the left today. Even in the face of major evidence that they were lied to, they still blame Glenn Beck. Because they can't admit that they are wrong about... anything.
Even with major evidence that Beck was right... they can't admit it. Its sad to watch their reactions.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet You're overgeneralizing, i'm not part of the ''left'' or ''right'' paradigm and i personally view Beck as dishonest. If Beck was right about something, i'd give him accolades, but the unfortunate truth is that he's lies consistently in support for his ''right wing'' agenda that he feeds people. Everybody has an agenda, but Becks agenda and even Fox News' agenda as a whole is quite obvious. I wish it were otherwise, but the truth is the truth,
dchains 5 months ago
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@dchains "If Beck was right about something, i'd give him accolades,"
No you wouldn't.
You can't even do so here, where its completely obvious that Beck was right. If you can't do so here, in the face of incontrovertible proof that Beck was right... how on earth would you be clear-minded enough to judge him at any other time?
That's what makes your agenda obvious. You can't admit that he was right, here.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
haha liberal is a funny word
chrismurphy42 5 months ago
Maybe it's just reality that has the liberal bias
luisbeta04 5 months ago
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the "lefty biased" was created by escapist whom wish to poison the well, for everyone who disagrees with them. Majority of American's are liberal, we just don't care about them because they don't vote.
which is more likely:
-there's a global liberal conspiracy infecting all major networks except FoxNews.
-Or some wealthy foreigner is using his news group to siphon american funds.
NanoEmpyrean 6 months ago
I guess now we know why Murdoch got rid of Beck--he wasn't radical enough.lol
thirdshift47 6 months ago
Glenn Beck accusing anybody of distorting the truth is a goldmine of hypocrisy.
ChickenFaeces 6 months ago
@ChickenFaeces You do get that this very video pwn3s ppl like you?
Beck demonstrated how his words get distorted by Media Matters, Olbermann, and the New York Times, in a way that can only be described as criminally lying about someone... and all you can do is call him a hypocrite?
Well, great. Maybe you can come up with an example of Beck lying about someone else as much as Media Matters, Olberman, and the NYT lied about him in this case?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet
People like me? I didn't realize that I was part of the liberal media... I don't think they're the cancer that Fox and Beck seem to think they are, but I still don't really appreciate being lumped into categories.
As far as examples of Beck lying, I don't know how you've managed to avoid them thus far. There's been numerous shows where he's said the Democratic party has been consumed by the Progressive party, and in the next breath said that the Progressive party=Communists.
ChickenFaeces 5 months ago
@ChickenFaeces
"People like me? I didn't realize that I was part of the liberal media."
I didn't call you part of the liberal media. I said ppl "like you" just got P'ow3d.
"I don't think they're the cancer that Fox and Beck seem to think they are, but I still don't really appreciate being lumped into categories."
You just be a college student, then. People get lumped into categories all of the time based on their opinions. I know that you think your opinions are original. They are not.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet Your comment wasn't addressed towards me but: Opinions are meaningless. There was a time when ''smart'' authors and professors wrote about how man would never fly, and the Wright Brothers never read those books and invented the flying machine. Opinions get you know where if you're not educated enough on the subject, so wrong opinions do exist.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "Opinions are meaningless. "
Yet, you keep expressing them.
"Opinions get you know where if you're not educated enough on the subject, so wrong opinions do exist."
1) Learn how to form sentences if you're going to talk about what is 'smart'
2) You are mixing opinions with scientific conclusions. The ppl who said that man would never fly weren't expressing opinions if they were scientists coming to scientific conclusions.
3) An opinion isn't the same thing as a certainty
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet
1) I see you still have a strong ego attached to your arguments, as you did not correct or point out any of my supposed errors in the sentence.
2) No, their opinions were based off of ignorance, since they didn't know enough about the subject they made baseless assumptions in the form of opinions.
3)That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. Hence why opinions are worthless.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "1) I see you still have a strong ego attached to your arguments, as you did not correct or point out any of my supposed errors in the sentence."
You wrote:
"Opinions get you know where if you're not educated enough"
I -think- you meant "nowhere". But you wrote "know where". If you're, uh, not educated enough.
Again, I can't tell if you're purposefully being ironic.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet Thank you for the correction. Again, im not trying to be rude, because if you are capable of thinking then you have an ego everybody does. You just need to learn to control it more in arguments (not being mean)
As i am not trying to ''win'' any arguments, but it seems like that's your purpose thus an ego.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "Again, im not trying to be rude..."
You're just being young, dchains.
You can't admit when you are wrong.
"...because if you are capable of thinking then you have an ego everybody does."
You are now going off on a tangent about egos, because you have trouble admitting that Beck was right. Just say it. Beck was right.
"As i am not trying to ''win'' any arguments..."
You're spending an awful lot of time arguing over what is opinion for someone who isn't trying to "win".
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet I'm just replaying to your comments, im not arguing with you. If i was wrong i would surely admit it. But i don't see any flaw in what im saying, and if there is, then you must ask of what you don't understand.
And i never went on a tangent about egos, i just addressed that issue because it seems like you are trying to defend your opinions by being rude which generally indicates that you are uncomfortable that someone is disagreeing which is ego kicking in.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "I'm just replaying to your comments, im not arguing with you. "
If you were just 'replaying my comments' then I wouldn't have anything to debate with you. I'd just reply that yes, I'm still right.
"just addressed that issue because it seems like you are trying to defend your opinions by being rude ..."
Its not rude to point out someone's complete hypocrisy.
You are projecting your ego into me. You can't admit that Beck is right in this video.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet A debate tends to be different from an argument emotionally, all im doing is replying and making my point. I don't see why ''just replying with yes'' would do, as that doesn't contribute anything.
And i try my best not to project an ego, that's why i try to move past name calling in debates/arguments. And your last sentence is an example of ego ''You can't admit that Beck is right in the video'', im not admitting it because it's not true.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "And your last sentence is an example of ego ''You can't admit that Beck is right in the video'', im not admitting it because it's not true."
Ooookay. This should be interesting.
Explain why Beck is not right in this video.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet I actually didn't watch the video until now and he did a good job defending what was meant as a joke, the media blew it out of proportion. But besides that, he's still the same old lying Glenn Beck. This is one instance where he was able to get a good stab and defend himself, but again, that doesn't change my view of him as dishonest. As there are many videos showing Becks lies if you look for them and in those instances the media was in the right attacking him.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "the media blew it out of proportion."
Wait, wait, wait. How come you call it "blowing it out of proportion"?
dchains, you clearly have no problem using the word "lie", so why not use it here? Think Progress, Media Matters, Olbermann, and the New York Times... ALL lied! They actively looked past the fact that Beck was joking.
OR
Its completely possible that they are like you. You're right here. You could have watched it. You didn't. This entire time.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet But they did blow it out of proportion, i never stated that they didn't lie.(they did, but me not using that terminology in that comment is irrelevant)
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "But they did blow it out of proportion, i never stated that they didn't lie.(they did, but me not using that terminology in that comment is irrelevant) "
It wouldn't matter if you hadn't given such a wide interpretation of the word 'lie'. You were super comfy using the term "lie" to describe Beck's comments, but have reluctance to use that in the media sources. Its not "blowing it out of proportion" when you straight out lie.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains Moreover, you -still- haven't said that Beck was right. The closest you've gotten is to say that Beck did a good job of defending himself.
Why the reluctance to say that Beck was right?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet I don't see the relevance in that, i already complimented him in saying that he defending himself well and that the media was incorrect in their accusations to say that he thinks Obama's the anti-Christ.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "I don't see the relevance in that"
The relevance is that until you say that Beck was right, its not going to sink in that Beck is regularly portrayed unfairly in the media. Until then, you'll just mentally stick in that mode you've set up for yourself, where you won't even watch the video because you presume that beck has lied.
That's what makes it relevant.
Until you can admit that Beck was telling the truth, you can't admit that it was the rest of the media lying about Beck.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains "but again, that doesn't change my view of him as dishonest. "
Of course it doesn't.
You are unwilling to be moved. So much so, that you didn't watch this until JUST NOW!
dchains,I know that you like to think of yourself as being flexible and capable of changing your mind... but you just demonstrated the biggest example of how someone can be hard-programmed to be inflexible.You even ADMIT that the media conspired to "exaggerate" (your term) or LIE (mine). Yet, you think its a fluke?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains Which leads me to my last point:
I know that you tried to find a quote where Van Jones said that he isn't embracing communism anymore.
But you can't find it.
Because it doesn't exist.
But you can't admit that... because as much as you say that your ego isn't wrapped up in this... it is. You have a real problem admitting that you were wrong.
Even here. You said that Beck wasn't right "in this video" WHEN YOU HADN'T EVEN WATCHED IT.
Why?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet Sorry or not proving any clear insight, here's his quotes: "I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."
dchains 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet To finish off he said this: ''I realized that there are a lot of people who are capitalists who are really committed to fairly significant change in the economy, and were having bigger impacts than me and a lot of my friends with our protest signs,' he said."
There was another article if i can find it where he says that he turned away from Communism in turn for a revolution through Capitalism, which that quote states quite clearly.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains Oh, come on Dchains! There is no part of that quote that 'states clearly' that Van Jones turned away from communism. All it says is that he realized that capitalists were having a greater change on the economy then he was with his protest signs! (go figure)
On the other hand... you DO actually have him sarcastically asking a questioner (who is asking him about marxism, and if it works) "how's that capitalism working for you??"
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains So you have Van Jones openly mocking capitalism (when questioned about marxism) in 2009, but you didn't feel that was anti-capitalist? And yet, you say that your quote (from 2005) is Van Jones dismissing communism, when he did no such thing???
You're smothering me in your hypocrisy and double standards.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet Mocking Capitalism doesn't indicate anything, ive mocked Capitalism and it's flaws but im not a Communist or Marxist. And i never said that in the quote he dismissed Communism, but that he says he has changed from radicalization by taking on Communist/Marxist ideologies and instead changed towards activism threw Capitalism.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "Mocking Capitalism doesn't indicate anything, ive mocked Capitalism and it's flaws but im not a Communist or Marxist."
To your credit, you haven't SAID that you were a communist or marxist.
Van Jones DID!
Moreover, you're trying to say that he 'changed over' to 'activism through capitalism', when all he did was say that he saw others doing so. Quite different. Wouldn't you say?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains Wait: let's put it this way: if he's changed over to capitalism over marxism, why is he mocking capitalism?
watch?v=59d42nLfyKA
Moreover, in the video, the woman says that his ideas 'sound somewhat marxist'. She gets sheepish, as Van Jones says "uhmhumm" and the crowd laughs.
She asks him to comment on that... in light of the banking problems and unregulated markets... and his answer is?
"How's that capitalism working for you?"
In answer to her asking if his ideas sound marxist.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains Now obviously... you could have ignored that video too. Maybe you didn't watch it. But it seems obvious to me that a guy who proclaimed himself to be a marxist, who is asked about his philosophies 'sounding' marxist, and who responds with "How's that capitalism working for you?" might just be...
...say it with me...
"Marxist"
This was in 2009.
Again; you've yet to come up with him distancing himself from Marxism.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains "As there are many videos showing Becks lies if you look for them"
Are these more videos that you haven't watched? Or cases where Media Matters has told you that Glenn lied? Or was it Olbermann? Or the New York Times?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet No, all you have to do is search here on Youtube and you'll find dozens of videos where is lies, here's one to get you started: /watch?v=eFWOLSIhYMg&feature=fvst
I can also link you to a few article if you'd like.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains You have GOT to be kidding me? The "young turks"? Cenk? The guy who used to sub for Olbermann, then was given his own show?
That's your source?
Wait; before you accuse me of not being specific: why doesn't Cenk give the date of the clip, like Beck always does? Why does Cenk have to mislead about what Beck said, RIGHT AFTER playing the clip? Why does Cenk accuse BECK of exaggeration, and THEN suggest that conservatives are going to get violent??
Lastly: where is the actual lie?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains I mean, if you're going to accuse Beck of lying... shouldn't you include the lie?
Instead, we have Cenk going on and on and on about how he doesn't like the derisive use of the word "progressive" and his incredible interpretation of Beck's comments that he's AGAINST DEMOCRACY.
C'mon.
Let's look past the fact that this is yet ANOTHER clip of Beck actually saying "research what I'm saying." Only a complete idiot would come to the conclusion that Beck was rallying against democracy!
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
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@dchains "all im doing is replying and making my point. "
Huh. You've shifted.
"I'm just replaying to your comments,"
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains "2) No, their opinions were based off of ignorance, since they didn't know enough about the subject they made baseless assumptions in the form of opinions."
You talked about scientists making scientific conclusions.
If a scientist says that 'man will never fly', then gives reasons why man will never fly, that is a scientific conclusion... not an opinion.
Scientific conclusions are often wrong. But that's science. Its often wrong as we learn better.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet You're making the assumption that they were educated in aerospace engineering which they were not, they based what they wrote on what they assumed wasn't possible hence their ''reasons'' were based off ignorance. I don't see how you don't understand this.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "You're making the assumption that they were educated in aerospace engineering..."
I neither said, nor assumed that.
Now why would you say that I assumed that, when of course, I did not?
Its impossible for someone to be educated in aerospace engineering when there was none. Their conclusions were based off of the science at the time. Their conclusions were wrong.
Scientific conclusions CAN be wrong. That is the nature of progress.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet When you say that they were educated in their overviews of how men could never fly, you are making the assumption that they understood what it would take for such creation to be possible, even if that branch of science didn't exist that doesn't excuse their ignorance based opinions.
It's like how ''Gods'' came about, science wasn't developed so they made baseless assumptions that it was an invisible man in the sky. Instead of just saying ''i don't know''.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "When you say that they were educated in their overviews..."
I never said that they were.
dchains, you have GOT to stop telling ppl that they said something that they never said.
Yes, all wrong scientific conclusions are based off of a lack of knowledge. But they are still scientific conclusions... not -OPINION-.
Of course an incorrect scientific conclusion is going to be based on a lack of knowledge. Duh.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet That's partly untrue, scientific conclusions are met with evidence, if you don't have evidence or information, you are unable to conclude anything. So in that instance you can still have an opinion, but it is baseless because of the lack of information.
And if i remember you said that they made their opinions out of knowing ''science'' or something along those lines which is why i was arguing that that's incorrect and their opinions were based on ignorance.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. Hence why opinions are worthless."
This is my problem with this statement: you say this, yet, obviously, you know absolutely nothing about Glenn Beck.
Your entire premise into this conversation was:
"There's been numerous shows where he's said the Democratic party has been consumed by the Progressive party,"
Beck has never said that. If he has, show it. You said he's said so several times.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet I know enough about Glenn to understand the information he pushes, i understand Glenn enough to see he consistently lies to serve his agenda. I know him enough to not trust him.
And when did i ever mention that Beck said the Democratic party was being consumed by the Progressive party?
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains Another problem with this statement:
"That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. "
Beck forms his -opinions- of the left by what the left says or does. He's very specific in his statements, and includes videos of the people that he's talking about SAYING the things that he's talking about. When he accused Van Jones of being a communist, he showed Van Jones talking about being a Communist! Go figure.
This is why I said you don't know Beck.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet Actually Van Jones was a Communist when he was younger(he has said that), but back then lots of peoples ideologies were similar, but he grew out of it, something Beck doesn't want you to know. He wants you to think that he's trying to push a Communist agenda, but again, his ''opinions'' are based off of ignorance and his bias agenda.
If he told the truth, i'd be fine with him, but he doesn't so i have my issues with him.
dchains 5 months ago
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@dchains "Actually Van Jones was a Communist when he was younger(he has said that), but back then lots of peoples ideologies were similar, but he grew out of it, "
1) Whatever 'lots' of ppl thought is irrelevant to Van Jones being a communist
2) If you think Van Jones 'grew out of it', then please, show us your reasoning for that
3) in the meantime, why has Van Jones downed capitalism?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains After the "YouTube.com" type in:
watch?v=59d42nLfyKA
Then tell me that Van Jones digs capitalism.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet But he never mentioned he was a Communist in that video, we just said ''hows Capitalism working out for you?'' a bunch of times. He was just saying that this system isn't working, but he never suggested Communism as a replacement,
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains Now you're just being stubborn.
In 2005, Van Jones said he was a communist. Correct?
Now you've tried to say, time after time, that Van Jones 'grew up', and no longer embraces communism.
Fine. Show us something that suggests that. Show us where he's changed.
The burden is yours to prove. Otherwise, your opinion is 'based on ignorance'.
In the meantime, I've shown conclusively that he's still hostile towards capitalism.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet All i can do is take his word for it, he stated that he was a communist back in those days and that we doesn't embrace those ideologies anymore. My opinion is based on him saying that he's not, the burden of proof in on your to prove that what he is stating is wrong and that he is still pushing Communism.
And even if he's hostile towards Capitalism, so what?, that has no ties to the baseless claims that he's a Communist.
dchains 5 months ago
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@dchains "All i can do is take his word for it, he stated that he was a communist back in those days and that we doesn't embrace those ideologies anymore. "
Wait... wait... when???
If you're going to say that he's said that... cool. Its actually news that Van Jones isn't embracing communism anymore. Heck, if he said that before he was fired, he probably wouldn't have been fired.
Show us the quote! Give us the source!
"And even if he's hostile towards Capitalism, so what?"
Honestly??
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains "but back then lots of peoples ideologies were similar, but he grew out of it, something Beck doesn't want you to know."
I can't get past this statement.
You said that "Beck" doesn't want us to know that Van Jones "grew out" of communism.
Since you're a fact-based kinda guy, you "know" that Van Jones grew out of it. Right? Soo... how do you know this? At what point did Van Jones denounce communism? When did Van Jones 'correct' himself?
Or does Van Jones not want us to know?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains Not finished yet.
"That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. "
Most ppl who talk about Beck have second hand knowledge of him. They read Media Matters, or read HuffPo, and form their conclusions. This entire event, in the video above, shows EXACTLY how Beck's statements are distorted. Now granted, this is ONE of the more extreme cases. But it just goes to show that YOU shouldn't say something on someone you know nothing about. Correct?
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@dchains "That's the problem, you shouldn't say anything on something you know nothing about. "
I've personally heard Beck say at least a dozen times, "Don't trust me. Look this up yourself"
There are few commentators that ask people to do original research as much as Beck does. Beck encourages people to be informed.
You may not like his Opinions. But you should LOVE the fact that he encourages people to seek knowledge on his topics.
If you don't love that, then you are a hypocrite.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet I have no problem with people encouraging others to learn, i never said i was against that. But he lies consistently, i'm not apart of the ''left'' or ''right'' paradigm, but he's conservative agenda is clear and we have seen over and over again that he is willing to lie for that agenda.
dchains 5 months ago
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@dchains "I have no problem with people encouraging others to learn, i never said i was against that. But he lies consistently,"
Look; if you honestly think this, then you'd have given an example by now.
Instead, you've been dodging answering questions for a day. You've literally decided that somehow, calling Van Jones a communist is off... even though Van Jones HIMSELF said he's one. "How's that capitalism working for you?"
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
"As far as examples of Beck lying, I don't know how you've managed to avoid them thus far"
On the contrary, this is one of the cases where the left said that Beck was saying one thing, only to have it proven that he didn't say that.
I'm absolutely sure that you believe what you believe. Because someone told you Beck was evil. But rather then research it, and prove me wrong, you just give vague statements about how Beck equates the DNC with progressive with communists; that's opinion.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
Which leads me to my last point: I think that you're a little fuzzy on what a lie is.
If I say that you are a communist because you tell me that you like progressive causes, that doesn't make me a liar. It is my opinion that you are a communist.
On the other hand, if I took a video of you laughing while asking someone if Obama is the anti-Christ, and I said that you wanted to know if Barack was the anti-christ while leaving the laughter out, I'm being dishonest.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet You're comment wasn't address towards me, but i shall butt in. Calling someone a Communist based on such a blanket statement as ''someone liking progressive causes'' is an opinion based on ignorance(not being mean).
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "Calling someone a Communist based on such a blanket statement as ''someone liking progressive causes'' is an opinion based on ignorance"
There are two problems with this.
First, the obvious one: Beck never said that communists are someone who likes progressive causes.
The second problem is that you've jumped to the conclusion that its "an opinion based on ignorance"... which is (say it with me) opinion.
I don't think you get the definition of opinion.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
@johnabbottnet Your ego is showing again, as an opinion is already well defined to me. I think you're having a difficult time with the idea that lots of opinions are based on ignorance and that in turn does have a negative affect on the world.
10 women could walk about your house or apartment and i could have lots of opinions. But it is all based on ignorance if i'm unwilling to understand the other possibilities. Again, opinions are worthless.
dchains 5 months ago
@dchains "Your ego is showing again, as an opinion is already well defined to me. "
Wow. I can't tell if you're trying to be intentionally ironic anymore.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
just =must.
Typo.
johnabbottnet 5 months ago
People believe what Liberals tell them because T.V. stations like CNN and MSNBC twist it to where it makes us conservatives look like the bad guys. They also say Fox News is one sided because one sided stations say its one sided when in fact, it is not. I watch all stations and I'll be the first to say that Fox is more so than not accurate on topics. Liberals are warped, morally corrupted, socialistic assholes.
Bryce1413 6 months ago
@Bryce1413 I like your name.
mamushi72sai5575 6 months ago
dont trust glenn beck hes doesnt care what is true or false watch this
watch?v=m692Tqbnbxo
GLICKTON 7 months ago
Wow this is stupid. The MediaMatters post says that Beck's questions were in layman's terms stupid.
underballbutter 7 months ago
Well glen beck did clearly ask him. It is a serious theological question to a true believer and it is a political show so there would be no reason for this preacher to consider the question to be a joke.
The second clip seems to imply that Glen beck had just been talking about how Obama was the Anti-Christ.
I think it makes sense to assume that if you say something on an opinion show you are likely trying to promote that opinion. Why would he keep mentioning the idea and not let it die?
poleske 8 months ago
fuck the liberal media. they undermine the us every chance they get and seem to enjoy turning the youth against their country.
0neofthem 8 months ago
@0neofthem you're stupid.
underballbutter 7 months ago
the irony of how he's showing how liberals use blog posts as information that eventually turns into news, is that fox has done the exact same thing, and they've done it with acorn and planned parenthood
HeadbangingGlory 8 months ago
@SpruceDread4578 Could agree more, dude.
MotherNikita 8 months ago
Wow what an idiot. He wasted 8 mins on this. Why doesn't he grab his nuts.
What someone said i did something stupid? OH yeah i know i did that it was a joke.
goaliedude32 8 months ago
@SpruceDread4578 Thank you for the comment, I've been thinking that forever and I'm glad to know others think so too. It's sad that lefties and righties don't realize that the only bias is the one they make up in their own fucking head. It's either the goverment or the corporations...or it's the stupid people. Maybe I'm nick-picking.....
MotherNikita 8 months ago
Thanks for 3 years Mr. Beck. You were not only entertaining but enlightening, and we stand behind you in your support for Israel.
TRADEGEEK 9 months ago
Its too bad there is no liberal media except on NPR PBS and the internert. Its all controlled by coprorations producing at best fake liberalism to get the right wing hate nutters riled up for elections and to continue to blind the ignorant idiots who vote GOP and for the downfall of the once great USA.
turnofffox 9 months ago
Liberals are the scum of America.
jw4wvu 9 months ago
Right on Glenn. I just got my "signed" copy of your book, "Arguing with idiots" in the mail yesterday. I dont understand why people slander this guy!!! Go kick some trolls Beck.
ExDemocrat64 10 months ago
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Fox News is a joke.
MrTHEGUY1989 10 months ago
Pot... kettle... black.. .blah blah blah
hilby 11 months ago
A populist is socially liberal and fiscally conservative. They are known for railing against "modern America" or you could say "corporate America". Because they distance themselves from the free market, they are not fiscal conservatives.
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
It seems that Glenn Beck completely missed or ignored the sarcasm in Hagee's reply. Hagee was actually trying to make a case that Obama was indeed the "anti-christ" until Beck interrupted him.
MisterHappyGoLucky 11 months ago
another dumb video from beck
nsdtr01 11 months ago
@nsdtr01 That you cannot counter because the facts are straightforward.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand horsefeathers
nsdtr01 11 months ago
@nsdtr01 Oh, you got me there! I guess you convinced me! Beck's eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil!!111
You didn't even watch the video, did you? Waste of skin.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand you mean did i waste 8+ minutes of my life - yes i did -
nsdtr01 11 months ago
@nsdtr01 Beck spelled out an unimpeachable example of how the liberal media makes up smears against conservatives and runs with them. If you don't see that, (A) your comprehension skills are poor and/or (B) you're intellectually dishonest. If you do see that but still say the video is "dumb," then apparently (C) you only hate the video because you hate Beck regardless of the evidence he uses (which fits in with B also). Or (D) you're a liar who didn't watch the video. So which is it?
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand get as haughty as you want - still a dumb video
nsdtr01 11 months ago
@nsdtr01 In other words... you are intellectually bankrupt.
canofsand 11 months ago
3:07 Same thing applies to conservative media
blablaidontcarewhour 1 year ago
Is he too dense to know he's at this point a member of the supposedly liberal media?
MyTotalRemedy 1 year ago
@MyTotalRemedy You're the dense one if you think all the media is the same or that the MAJORITY of the does not lean Left. Their leanings have been proven by both scientific studies and polls of people in the media, and polls of the general populace agree that they're liberal. So, again, he's not the dense one here.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
He's a member of a network at this time that's supposedly part of the liberal media. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you if he's including his employers. If he's not talking about his employers, that would be hypocritical (or maybe CNN isn't really liberally biased).
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy Your argument is just stupid. "Liberal media" doesn't mean 100% of everyone in it is liberal. You're just dense.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
He's on the liberal media. Is he taking jabs at his own network? Or does he exempt his own network? You don't work for Company X while maligning company X, they would have every right to fire you.
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy How many times does a freshman-or-worse-grade sophist such as yourself have to be told the exact same thing before it gets through their thick skull that playing word games is no substitute for even ATTEMPTING to make a logical point? I destroyed the entire premise of your last comment before you made it. In fact, I destroyed it in the very comment you are replying to. Conclusion? You are dense.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
You having nothing but name-calling and personal insults proves that I struck a nerve with you, and I won this.
Words have meanings. If Glenn Beck is a libertarian because he says he is, then I guess McCain is a conservative because HE says he is. Doesn't line up with their platform? Neither does Beck.
Pro-Drug War, religious right, pro Patriot Act, pro-Iraq war, he's a phony.
There's a difference between what a libertarian and what a Republican (or conservative) thinks!
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
You know what I think is Funny, that Glenn Beck thinks his Conservaitve. He believes in High Spend, a Pointless war and supports a Liberal known as Sarah Palin. Its so funny he thinks hes a Conservative Libertarian when he is Fiscally Liberal.
skatepunkzero 1 year ago
@skatepunkzero What's funny is morons like you proclaiming what Beck does and does not believe when the instant your bile leaves your mouth it becomes clear that you have no clue what you're talking about.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand Yeah I have no clue what I am talking about, Beck claims to be Libertarian yet hae hates on Libertarians like Ron Paul, supports Bush(oh wait now he doesn't like bush any more) Supports a Liberals like Huckabee and Palin who both have helped damage the republican party. I can tell your probably one of those Anti-Libertarian Republicans. Sorry but the Republican is liberal now other than Ron Paul.
skatepunkzero 11 months ago
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@skatepunkzero "Yeah I have no clue what I am talking about"
You can say that again. Seriously, you think liking Ron Paul is a litmus test for libertarianism, and you just make crap up about Beck's views that directly contradicts what he's actually repeatedly said and explained at length. That's just clueless.
canofsand 11 months ago
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canofsand 11 months ago
@skatepunkzero
And socially conservative. Like Bill O'Reilly, he's a populist, not a conservative.
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy exactly, finally someone on here who agrees with, unlike all of these other guys thinking he is Fiscally Conservative.
skatepunkzero 11 months ago
@skatepunkzero I'm sorry, but Beck gets to decide what his views are, not you. You can disagree with the label he gives himself, but you aren't intellectually honest if you do so while mischaracterizing his views in order to support your (nonexistent) case.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand Obama's victory announcement day when his victory was front page headline news on Page 1 that day, on Page 2, the Lottery draw was 666.
ObamasTheBeast 11 months ago
@canofsand I never said he didn't get to decide his own views. He claims to be Libertarian, yet all his views are Liberal like LBJ, Woodrow Wilson, Bush or Palin.
Yet he calls conservatives like Alex Jones, and Ron Paul Liberal.
You go ahead and support your crappy Sarah Palin or Mitt Rommeny Cause, and Ill go and support Ron Paul a true Conservative! I can tell your definitely an anti-libertarian Republican
skatepunkzero 11 months ago
@skatepunkzero Stop playing word games. I know you didn't SAY he doesn't get to decide his own views. I never said you did. You DID, however, effectively TRY to "decide" them for him. You put words in his mouth ("views," really, since you don't even say what he said that could rationally* lead to your conclusions). And you put them in my mouth as well. What, exactly, did I say that's "anti-libertarian?"
* Ron Paul - and _especially_ Alex Jones - don't have a monopoly on libertarianism.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand Lets see, you like Glen Beck who is a neocon and most Glen Beck fans hate Libertarians. Also Glen Beck supported the Patriot Act(a Liberal View) supports the pointless war in Iraq(A Liberal view), supports Sarah Palin(a Liberal), He is has critised just about every major Libertarian on his show. He is very much a Neocon Liberal. becks views are simialr to Woodrow Wilson, Bush, Reagan which are all Liberals.
You support and seem to agree with this guy which makes you Liberal.
skatepunkzero 11 months ago
@skatepunkzero
neocon - noun - a term more likely to be misused than used correctly, usu applied to conservatives
Glen Beck - noun - a fictional person that Glenn Beck-haters have conjured up as a personification of their straw man arguments. AKA, a misspelling of "Glenn Beck" used primarily by people who are incredibly ignorant of the man.
Glen Beck fans - noun - the fictional fans of the straw man "Glen Beck" to which Glenn Beck-haters ascribe all sorts of fictional attributes and actions
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Neocon-Noun- a term applied to Liberals like Nixon, Reagan, the Bush's, Bill O'Reily, Rush Limbaugh, and many others who have Liberal views of that like LBJ, Woodrow Wilson and FDR but they claim to be Conservative
Glen Beck- nounA neocon talk show host, claims to be libertarian, uet preaches Neoconism.
Glen Beck Fans- noun Hardcore Neocons, known for watching beck, calling Libertarians Liberal and supporting Sarah Palin, Huckabee, the war in Iraq, etc.
skatepunkzero 11 months ago
@skatepunkzero Yawn. You continue to use the label (which you continue to misdefine) yet fail to demonstrate how the label fits (even under your incorrect definition). You don't even try. You are a failure.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand I gave you examples, I told how the label fits. A necon is a Liberal who claims to be conservative like Beck, O'Reily bush. If you look at there views you will see they are moderate Fissically Liberal and socially conservative. There they are Neocons, Populist or Liberals.
You are the failure since you support Necons and don't know about political views.
I actually stand for something politically.
skatepunkzero 11 months ago
@canofsand
Let's talk about intellectual honesty. It's intellectually dishonest to claim to be something (a libertarian) when you don't support any of their platform the GOP doesn't already have. He's no more libertarian than James Dobson is. A neocon.
And fiscally conservative? He's more socially conservative and fiscally populist. Same with O'Reilly.
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy Libertarians are a diverse group. Closed-minded "liberaltarians," as they are known in less-closed-minded libertarian circles, are not.
canofsand 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy And Glenn Beck criticizes the GOP all the time. If you actually paid attention to Beck himself and not blogs from Beck-haters, you'd know that. But you don't, and you most likely won't for quite some time, since you and your ilk are hate-fueled drones.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Is a "liberaltarian" one who would not see Beck as one of their own? Because that would be 99% of them right there! He doesn't see Ron Paul as one of his own! Thinks his supporters are "terrorist sympathizers" for daring to question GW Bush. What in your narrow mind consists of a libertarian? What makes them DIFFERENT from a Republican?
They don't trust him because he's like a politician claiming to be something he's NOT.
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy Frankly, I don't put any stock in the opinions of anyone - "libertarian" or otherwise - who attacks Beck for supposedly claiming to be something he's not while THEY claim he's something he is not. Only a hatemonger would do that. Like you.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
John McCain claims to be a conservative. Does that make him a conservative?
Glenn Beck claims to be a libertarian. Does that make him a libertarian?
I don't want to revive this dead conversation. I'm just sayin'.
MyTotalRemedy 11 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy YOU claim Beck is a neocon. Does that make him a neocon? YOU say Beck supports Bush (or did until just recently), even though he criticized him *very* strongly long before Obama was even running for President. Does that make him a Bush-supporter (or one until just recently)?
skatepunkzero (and virtually no one else) claims Ron Paul is the ONLY non-"liberal" Republican. Does that make this true? Is that even a CREDIBLE statement to make? Paul isn't an idiot, so he would say "No."
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Does he support invading Iran? Does he support torture? Okay then, he's a neocon.
Does he think it's okay for anyone BUT him to criticize Bush?
MyTotalRemedy 10 months ago
@canofsand
OK then, he's a neocon, no different than Hannity.
MyTotalRemedy 10 months ago
@MyTotalRemedy To answer the questions: No, and no. You obviously know nothing about him. You don't do your own research, do you? (If you did, you'd not only realize how stupid your questions were, you'd also know that Beck tells his viewers/listeners to do their own research and thus any that are truly following him have got a leg up on your ilk.) In any case, what makes and does not make a "neocon" is not determined by you.
canofsand 10 months ago
Whoops! It looks like he was accidentally explaining the process fox news uses for all its info!
Liton777 1 year ago
@Liton777 Psychological projection is a serious problem, but it's almost comical when someone like Liton does it in response to a video like this. A member of the (fictitious) Team Blue may as well by posting "Team Red hates puppies!!!!111" on a video posted by Team Red that shows proof that Team Blue kicks live puppies across the street for fun.
canofsand 11 months ago
Excellent video on how the conservative media works!
Glenn Beck was attacked for bringing up a ridiculous argument...not because he "made" the argument. Perpetuating nonsense is how these conspiracy theories get national attention, exactly how some people still think that Obama was not born in Hawaii!
But instead of picking up on that language in the quotes he put on screen (right there for everyone), he turned it into a "liberal attack" on him.
Classic...
mcdrums8706 1 year ago
@mcdrums8706 Excellent comment on how the liberal mind works! When presented with facts and a timeline that incontrovertibly show bias and blatantly false smears on the part of the Left, the Leftist hand-waves it away and then blames the victim.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand Excellent comment showing how right-wing projection works. Whatever they say about the left, that is what they are really thinking.
Facts do not concern Glen Beck. He is too busy protecting us from nonexistent communist conspiracies.
mcdrums8706 11 months ago
@mcdrums8706 Beck lays out an EXAMPLE - fully documented, indisputable EXAMPLE, not just some theory - of Leftist media bias, then you come by and say it shows CONSERVATIVE bias (textbook psychological projection right there!), I call you on it, and you say *I'M* PROJECTING (especially egregious psychological projection!).
You're nuts.
canofsand 11 months ago
When is this from? 2006? 2007? Beck's understanding of things is typical of conservative commentators here. This is right around the time where he's finding out the truth about Bush. Most newsmakers attend a school that teaches them a very liberal way of looking at things. That's the bias. But it's not overt or intentional. They believe they're doing their job. What IS overt is when you get international corporations involved. MSNBC is the worst example, actually.
surfer53 1 year ago
let the useless eaters die, look at them squible about garbage that is of no substance. As a matter of fact I guess we will continue to feed you useless eaters this trash so what little brains you have will have no more room in them to actually turn your attention to us, you little people are so easy to deceive. How about a little blonde girl goes missing tomorow to captivate your attention for weeks when in reallity every 90 seconds someone in america goes missing. maybe a new diet, lyndsy,ipod
jackchorn 1 year ago
You're going to try and explain how a liberal media that does not exist works.
I wish you luck with that! ...is what i'd say if i were a liar like you. I know you'll make a complete ass of yourself. It's what you do Beck.
FrostbittenWolf 1 year ago
@FrostbittenWolf The media is liberal and only the willfully ignorant don't believe that's what they are. Polls show the American people believe it leans Left, and more importantly polls of the media show THEY lean Left, and more important still, scientific studies PROVE they lean Left. You liberal-media-deniers are pathetic.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Speaking of willfully ignorant, you going to tell me just where you saw those polls? I'd be willing to bet money it was either through Fox themselves, an unreliable company, or another fun little case where Fox News presents a poll claiming that it proves that the other media companies are left leaning when the questions asked had nothing to do with political affiliation of the actual news content.
FrostbittenWolf 11 months ago
@FrostbittenWolf How much will you bet?
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Cute. Sorry to tell you, i don't have anyway to get money to you or receive money over the internet. And i'm not about to open a way up now.
Tell you what though. I have an easy way to settle this.
Do you believe Fox News has a conservative bias?
FrostbittenWolf 11 months ago
@FrostbittenWolf Unlike your opinion, mine reflects the data. Most recent data says FNC's news programs lean to the Right about as much as CNN's does to the Left - but I'd guess if it were studied again, CNN would be seen as going Left more than they were at the time, if the polling trends and more recent story data from them I've seen are any indicator. All the other big players lean more to the Left than CNN does. Fox News's coverage of the 2008 election was statistically the most balanced.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
And with that, this conversation ends. It hardly takes a genius to see that Fox News is right leaning with almost 100% consistency. To try and claim CNN leans at a similar degree would require CNN to hire Bernie Sanders as a pundit, constantly let only liberal personalities on (Good luck finding one in this country) and whenever a conservative voice comes on, have some old misogynist yell at him, interrupt him constantly, and tell him to shut up.
FrostbittenWolf 11 months ago
FrostbittenWolf: Oh boo hoo, the statistics, the studies from UCLA et al, the polls from multiple institutions - they don't match my preconceived notions! I, an uber-Leftist, consider myself to just be a "moderate" Leftist. Despite the evidence, I consider the U.S. to be a center-Left nation instead of center-Right, and thus, with my warped and skewed perspective, and my many viewings of out of context clips of FNC given to me by Lefty blogs, I must conclude Fox is EVIL. GOOD DAY SIR!!1!
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Center-left? A country whose division of wealth is among the most atrocious out of every single developed nation, the worst health care due to privatization and a perverse sense that the healthcare system should be run like a business, and that steadfastly refuses to invest into alternative fuel research heavily due to business interests in fossil fuels doesn't exactly strike me as a CENTER-LEFT nation. Next you'll tell me Saudi Arabia is a moderate nation.
FrostbittenWolf 11 months ago
@FrostbittenWolf Wow. Talk about major reading comprehension failure, and in two separate ways at the same time. I didn't say it was center-Left, and you don't appear to know what center-Left even MEANS. Wow. Just... wow. Stupid. Very, very stupid.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
Rich accusation coming from someone who believes Fox News. I suppose next you'll tell me that the Republicans consistently fight for small government and that Obama is a Kenyan. I can't help but notice that you only accused me of making an ad hominem attack but never proved me wrong. So tell me, if addressing failures of an information source is always a fallacy, how do you fix a problem with a bad information source?
FrostbittenWolf 11 months ago
@FrostbittenWolf I can't help but notice that you attack Fox News because you disagree with them politically and not because there are any statistics to back you up. I, on the other hand, have studies from UCLA (hardly a conservative bastion) and the nonpartisan Project for Excellence in Journalism.
canofsand 11 months ago
@canofsand
UCLA studies. Give me specifics, i've seen Fox News take a random UCLA poll about who the reporters were voting for and tried to use those results as evidence that they were unbiased.
As for my specifics, what would you like to see? Fox News inviting a conservative personality to talk while not inviting a counterpoint? Giving softball questions to conservative pundits? Not letting liberal guests get a word in? I can provide videos that use Fox News footage if you'd like.
FrostbittenWolf 11 months ago
@FrostbittenWolf It was a STUDY, not a poll. It used the same methods used to rate Congressmen on how they lean Left/Right. Fox leaned Right as much as CNN did Left. The others all leaned more Left than CNN. As for the other study, I posted details about it already. Are you not paying attention?
And I don't care about your anecdotal evidence. FNC programs that regularly have gue