It's just been proved by sloppy by name and sloppy by nature. You obviously sure ain't got the sense to open your mind and actually think. America the Christian values of screw your fellow man.. It beggars belief..
I believe in Capitalism. I believe the only reason we need a government is to enforce the rules of our empire and to extend the suffering of all that are not American. Profits are everything! People are just sources of profit - and if they cease to be profitable, then of course deny them care and coverage. It's the American way. If you have cancer and can't afford it - then just die! Every man for himself - thats the way - thats what made this country great.
@johnny..., The whole point of any welfare system to the well off help the needy. A basic Christian ethos. Yet for a Christian country it seems this is not a requirement. I recently had to have a genetic test. The NHS sorted it. I went to my doctor who referred me to a hospital were I was treated brilliantly. Today my private healthcare has notified me that now any treatment that is required WILL need to be dealt with by the NHS if they can provide treatment within 6 weeks. They citied this pol
Sometimes I get the feeling that American History stops in the founding days in the brains of many. And that old values a re stuck to like a livesaver even though the world has gone some steps further. and It makes me wonder why? and why so much hate? and why is so much ignorence is possible.
I think many of michael moores movies are to polemic. But this one I thought was really good.
what gives you the feeling that America as this great island without a proper infrastructure, with poverty reminding of developing countries, with a dept so high they are dependent on china, what makes you think that this island, cast of from the rest of civilastion, it seems, knows more then everybody else?
cuba has an amazing health care system. castro had a choice: war, or health care, and he choose's health care. that shows alot about about how he thinks about taking care of cubans and the way they live. i know fidel castro has made mistakes. but communism in cuba is quite brilliant, even though, it is a poor country and fidel has dictatored when communism isnt about dictatoring. but, with capitalism, the country would have died a long time ago. great video :)
In a country like Egypt, when somebody needs care the government finds the best clinic around western Europe and give accommodations for that patient (transportation, hotel stay, and the instant care.)
if healthcare is given to the people who can't afford it and the people who don't pay for it are forced by way of penalties to purchase insurance,,,,then who the fuck is paying the altimate price?Moore is a propaganda filled asshole! He just hates himself so much he hates everything! The MAJOR complainer,,making money off of idiots who believe his BULLSHIT! Who are they? Think about that,,4 star! Brainwashed idiot!
@morgue666666 ",then who the fuck is paying the altimate price?" Um...fundamentally, the people of america will be paying the ultimate price, via premiums and taxes. In return, they will receive healthcare (among other things)
@morgue666666 ignoring that what you describe is not what actually ends up happening in other countries that have similar systems..I do appreciate how you boil it down to the essence of the argument against universal health care.
Better others die then you have to spend a dollar on someone else.
Thank you for being, unlike most of your fellows, honest about where your priorities really lie.
I really don't think shouting at me is going to help.
Yes, I agree that "free" healthcare is actually paid for by taxpayers. But it's still a good idea.
As for objective research, I invite you to look at the World Health Organization statistics, and see how Canada (and France, and Britain) compare to the U.S. in terms of quality healthcare.
@sonicsuns: So you get your perspective from "stories"??? That explains everything.
Your system may be better in some ways for instance minor needs and non-emergencies, statistics show our care is far superior in quality when it comes to serious issues and major treatments.
BOTH systems need reform but having some bureaucrat in Washington (and their special interest group friends) run the system is NOT reform!
@espada9 "stories"? What are you talking about? I cited the statistics from the World Health Organization. If you have statistics to prove that the U.S. is better than other countries in some way, show me the statistics.
I understand the dangers of special interests and bureaucrats having too much discretionary power. But note that those types of people are already running the health care system; they work for the corporations.
@sonicsuns What the fuck do you know about anything. You look like you are 12. What dont you understand about the US. We arent europe or canada therefore we dont have socialized medicine. Moron
@espada9 you do know that there is a national health service in Spain ... or are you like that young dude in the video innocent and discovering that there is more to this world that USA....
@espada9 Have you been to the UK. Our healthcare is not substandard, we pay taxes for it and believe me we do not have any of the horror stories that you have in the so called land of opportunity. I know now that if something happens to me, I will be taken care of - no ifs or buts. Do you not think that is the measure of a good society.
Sunicsons, you have a wonderful way with talking. Your description of your opinion is spectacular. I agree with everything you're saying. If only I knew how to speak as well.
I don't understand why America hates the idea of Socialized Medicine so much, while so many other countries have it and are doing quite well with it. America's media makes it seem like "Oh, we're america, our medical technology is so much more advanced and better than the rest of the world..." while we hardly even give our people help because the healthcare systems call everything simply "experimental" if someone has cancer and needs help or has a dangerous tumor then it's not "experimental"
ok im no fan of the us healthcare system. im not a fan of anything that is built to make the rich get richer. But you can't base all your opinions on seeing a michael moore doc. that's the exact same thing as basing your opinions on what the government tells you. There are two sides to everything and sicko is just one side, people have to realize that. Im not saying it doesnt have a point, im just reminding people to take it with a grain of salt.
True, everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
But I'm unaware of any major factual errors in Sicko. And in any case, various sources (like the World Health Organization) inform me that America spends a whole lot more than Europe does on healthcare, but we don't live any longer as a result.
One way or another, we ought to have healthcare reform.
Yeah bro, I'm with you 100% on this, but I think a lot of this we have no one to blame but ourselves. Americans tend to have the attitude that if it doesn't affect me why should I give a shit. This attitude historically prevailed and still dominates today. We let our government waste money on other things like war, I could never figure this out, and why the hell Americans health and well being is not no. 1 priority such as is the case in all of those other countries
Poeple like TimidPictures should go to school in the UK! He is why we don't have a heathcare bill that gets passed. Because we Americans are stupid. Instead of talking about topics we call each other names.
Why name call. The issue is we in the UK have a system that works. Private & "Social" aka NHS. All are taxed but have the option of choice. USA no money no choice. I have to ask Why? Get opinions, thoughts not cheesy name calling which is petty & misses the point of the commentary on Sicko and the failures its points out with the American Healthcare System. Obama is looking to bring a NHS system to america and it seems the rich are complaining while others have no voice.
The system in the USA seems to be very unfair, and biased towards those with money. I am angry for you. Shame on those who exploit the needy and downtrodden.
I live in the UK and I cannot believe how scared Americans are of helping each other. You can invade countries in the name of democracy but you dump sick people on the streets. If Michael Moore is Anerica's conscience then more please. I take for granted our health care and call it everything under the sun when I have to wait 20 minutes to see a GP but the idea to pay him first is insane. I have private medical too and their are benefits but my first port of call if ill is the NHS.
not to mention that doctors get paid about 4% of the whole health care economy... this is assuming that doctors get paid 500k yearly... i got the whole math if anyone is interested :P
expenses.. tooo tooo complicated for a 19 year old to do.. BUT lets say each person in the usa pays 400 a month for health insurance which is a steal because its probably double that. I doubt i could fit everything in this box but ill email you :)
i got a question, why can't i find the recorded clip with richard nixon talking about how he didn't care about what happened to the peole of america death wise and how concerned he was about simply mking and keeping the money? huh? why?
I presume you refer to the tape where Nixon says that the privatized healthcare system works for the insurance companies "because the less care they give 'em, the more money they make."
I don't have the audio file on hand, but if you google "Sicko is Socko" you'll find a story from Time Magazine which discusses the movie, mentions the quote, and (implicitly) confirms that the quote is legitimate.
the last person who tried from what i remember was Hillary Clinton and she got paid off along with other people.
to be honest I don't think we are actually a capitalist country.How can we be a capitalistic country when we have a central bank ( ie: the federal bank which isn't federal at all).
Im british and a few years ago I fractured my neck was paralysed for a while they thought for good , and I had NO worrys about some damn insurance company .
companys are set up to make a profit and thats fine , but that shouldnt be the aim in healthcare or the fire brigade or police
Im german, and I can tell you, that our healthcare-system gets worse every year! With every political change (we have 5 partys now in gov.) its shown that democracy is an illusion...
But Im very proud that there is a change of thinking in the us (by watching lots of such kind of vids). if you would read marx, u would understand that communism is not about imprisoning, but real freedom. a freedom even better than capitalism could ever provide. In real comm. there can be democracy!
Well, yes, communism certainly *aspires* to provide more freedom than capitalism ever would. But the theory is often detached from the practice. I love the idea of everyone sharing and working for the greater good, but it's dangerous to give the government direct control over the sharing process. The government becomes very powerful that way, and susceptible to corruption.
Of course, a democratic communist state might avoid corruption. But I'm not really convinced yet.
Uhm. You should really think about communism again. Democratic communism is oxymoron. Communism is about one party. No free will, only party's will.
If you want to work for the greater good, no one can stop you, you live in free country and you have freedom to live your life as you see fit. Maybe you should try to search for gulag or collectivizations on youtube.
You are thinking of Russian and Chinese communism, which indeed operated on one-party systems (if memory serves me well) and ruled with tyranny. Both countries continue to abuse the rights of their people.
However, this is not *technically* the definition of communism. The actual definition simply means that people pool their resources and cooperate for the greater good. The government is the most probable agent to manage this cooperation, but the definition of communism does not declare that the government should be run by a dictator, or a one-party system, or any particular system at all, just so long as a resources are being pooled.
Thus, a democratic communist state is possible. Karl Marx (father of communism) did not advocate oppression by any means (though various oppresive goverments claimed to be following Marx's guidelines).
From Wikipedia: " 'Pure communism' in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."
This is what I was referring to when I talked about the aspirations of communism.
lol sonicsuns "i consider myself a pretty well informed person, i watch the news and such" i've got some news for you, there is no news in the world that isn't bias.... (with the exception of fox news lol jk jk) fuck the news
ok, bush loves war, if you want better healthcare, join the military (there adds are like bribery)
Its kinda frustrating how your country works, im afriad of moving down there if i get engage to my american airforce boyfriend (who knows). that i have meet and we are still together 17 months
Thanks for your thoughts on this video. I am also surprise that you never knew that we get FREE Health Care in Europe as most of us here know that the USA havnt got this previlage.
Its a shame that Americans do not stand up against these evil business people who profit from suffering! Any kind of injustice you find in Europe you will find demonstrations and eventual prosecution. Why cant our American do the same?
This is interesting - I am a European and, if I get run down, shot, whatever emergency then some nice people in an ambulance will come and help me out, without needing to see a policy or even an i.d. Its like this anywhere in Europe. Question: What actually happens in the States if one is in the same situation without any insurance policy or i.d? Do you REALLY get left on the pavement (sidewalk) to bleed to death?? I find that impossible to believe....
If you're in a major accident in the U.S., you generally get whatever immediate care you need, even without insurance. But they'll try to stick you with a big bill later, and if you can't pay it, they won't give you further treatment.
So if you get hit by a car and damage your legs, they'll stop you from dying, but you won't get a free wheelchair when you leave the hospital. And you won't get free surgery to fix your legs in the future. And if you're dying slowly, like from cancer or something, they won't help you at all, unless you pay big money. And the insurance company will try to avoid paying if they can; they'll find a loophole or something. It's really sad.
Yes it is. Which is why it's so strange that their healthcare is about as good as ours. You'd think the big rich country would have a much better system.
I like capitalism too. I just don't like the EXTREME GREED I've been seeing in the last 15 years. If you own a company, make a profit. But at the same time, respect the rights and dignity of a human being. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
That's the reason why I think capitalism should be abolished and why I think that communism is waaaaay mor effective, harmonical and better than capitalism (and it has absolutely nothing to do with stalin, fidel, mao and the like). Profit as the main incentive sucks, nuff said.
So basicly what the governments all around the world are doing right now is shoveling money up the big companies asses and at the same time taking money from our health care system, the education sector and the well fare system. Because that's just how capitalism works. If you have money you have power and if you don't well then you'll have to see how you're gonna survive.
And our country is not in debt because we are a poor country (I think Austria is the 7th richest country in the world), but because over the last centuries there have been serious tax cuts given to all the companies simply because "it's the trend of the economy" right now and we don't want to miss this trend.
For years we in Austria didn't have to pay a cent when we wanted to go to university and a few years ago our government said that we can't go on like this because the state is in debt and we'll have to start to pay for our education - a basic right which everyone should be able to get no matter how much money he/she has.
That's why you can't raise living standards in 3rd world countries, that's why you can't have proper health care even in the USA and that's why life or the world seems to be really cruel when you look at it.
And you're right when you say that we in Europe (I'm from Austria) have free health care, free education and all in all a better well fare system, but currently the government is trying to cancel these things one by one
But I think things like health care, education, food and all that are basic human rights. After all we are a very productive society. We could feed 12 billion people, so why are there still people starving to death? And the answer is that in capitalism the only incentive to do things is to make profit from it and if there's no money to gain from something, you simply don't do it.
I've watched all 3 parts of your video and I feel just the same way as you do. I think it's truly amazing how inhuman this system of ours treats the members of society. Everything depends on money and if you don't have any you are considered worthless and are left to die. You can see that in 3rd world countries where people work hard all their lives and still millions of people starve or die from diseases simply because they don't have any money to buy health care or food.
How do you define basic human rights? Medical care, college education, and even having someone mow your lawn are all basic human rights? What about the rights of the people you are forcing to pay for all of this? How is it your basic human right to take my money? Isn't there a basic human right about not stealing? Making it a law doesn't make it right. You want health care, so somehow you're allowed to take my money to get it.
well, the basic idea of government is a group of people pooling their resources for the common good. The idea is that, though a particular government program may superficially help only a small portion of the populace, ultimately everyone benefits.
For example, look at the highway system. Personally, I drive rather rarely and scarcely need any highways beyond those in my immediate vicinity. And yet my taxes (both past and future) pay for the construction and maintenance of dozens of other highways, which I personally never use.
Now, is this "highway robbery", so to speak? Has the government unfairly taken my well-earned money? Not really, no. For the dozens of highways that I never use nevertheless used by other people. And those millions of other people all drive the economy, which in turn provides me with better job opportunities than I would have had otherwise.
So you see, the government "steals" my money in order to provide me with something better. Everybody benefits.
Now, OF COURSE things aren't quite that simple. Governments are often wasteful and corrupt, and we should be vigilant in demanding that our tax dollars are well-spent.
I ask you this: If the government may not "steal" anyone's money, how is the government supposed to function? Well, I suppose we could just ask people for voluntary donations to the government, but that seems a bit impractical for the near future.
The other option is to stop the "stealing", cancel all taxes, and allow the government to go bankrupt. That, I presume, would leave us with anarchy, where everyone fends for himself. But that would be Social Darwinism, which is very cruel indeed.
You, I presume, are not an Anarchist, nor a Social Darwinist. (Few people are). So then surely you recognize the need for pooling our resources in at least a few areas. National defense, for instance. If you lived on one side of the country and a enemy invaded us on the other side, would you object to repelling the invasion?
Would you demand that your personal tax dollars not be used in defense of fellow citizens? Would you declare that, by using your money to repel an invasion that did not affect you directly, the government had in fact "stolen" you money?
I doubt it. I think you would recognize the logic of a common defense. So why not common healthcare?
Now, I understand your point about "How do you define basic human rights?". Naturally, the government shouldn't bother with frivolities like well-manicured lawns, not unless it seriously has nothing better to do.
But I believe that we can, and should, provide people with a basic right to life. And if you're sick, someone should help you. And I hardly care where this help comes from; if the free market had provided good healthcare for all I would leave it at that. But the market (thus far) has failed. And considering that socialized medicine has worked so well in Britain and other countries, why not give it a chance in America?
P.S. Remember we're not just taking money from you to give it to someone else. We're giving it to the community, to whoever needs healthcare. If you ever get sick, you'll get the same benefits as any other sick person.
Get up go to a health care rally and ask people why they are there. Their horror stories will scare you. I am still sick, dying and cant get help. I will fight till my last breath leaves my body.
I think people like GoAngel MIGHT be shills or plants from the healthcare lobby. I have been to other countries with socialized medicine and could't find a person to say anything bad about it. It is only on these chat boards that you hear about the long lines and incompetent doctors.
We have socialized k-12 education, parks, roads, military, military health care, social security. Why wont socialized medicine here????????
I like your use of the word "might". We shouldn't jump to conclusions.
And technically, socialized medicine isn't always good, even though it's usually better than the US system. New Zealand, for instance, really does have terrible healthcare, even though its socialized. The UK, on the other hand, has great healthcare.
Well, on a different perspective I live in New Zealand and we have free public healthcare. However, doctors here don't get paid as much which means that the better ones go overseas (to places like America) where they get more money for what they do. Which leaves us with only average, overworked doctors that are miserable.
For example, this guy I know got shot in the head and survived , and the doctors just sent him home, no X ray or nothing. A couple of weeks later he discovered he still had the bullet in his head, they hadn't even bothered to look! My brother almost died because the doctor wasn't able to diagnose him with diabetes even though my mum suggested it, and another person I know lost a third of their blood and they were just given a blood transfusion and sent home that night.
Healthcare is free but people here don't know what they're doing, and they don't care because they aren't being paid enough to do it. They're always on strike, you have very very long wait times till you're seen, and when they see you they don't bother to spend the time figuring out what is wrong, they want you out of there and fast. In contrast I have heard that American doctors are SIGNIFICANTLY better than ours, and have more advanced technology at hand.
So really my point is that there are ups and downs with both systems. In America doctors don't care about you unless they get paid, in New Zealand they don't care about you because they aren't paid enough.
Anyways, that's my two cents, stupid youtube won't let me post all my comments in one message unfortunately.
yeah, it's dumb that youtube makes you split up long comments.
Anyway, you have a point, but the problems of socialized medicine can be addressed. I checked the World Health Organization stats, and New Zealand ranks at 41, even below the United States, which is at 37. So you're right that NZ has a crappy system. But that's not true of all socialized healthcare programs. France, for instance, has the best healthcare in the whole world. And the UK ranks at 18.
Obviously, paying all doctors the same amount, regardless of quality of service, is a recipe for disaster. But there's nothing fundamental about being paid by the government that causes all doctors to get paid the same. Implement a meritocracy; the better you do, the more you get paid. The clients, on the other hand, will still pay nothing, except through taxes.
I agree but moore did not mention the ridiculous taxes that all these countries' citizens must pay to support universal healthcare. Though the system we have now is still bad.
just how high are these "ridiculous taxes" anyway? I keep hearing about that, and yet never from the people in other countries. Americans keep telling me that "oh, taxes are so high elsewhere, and the lines are so long" etc. And yet, non-Americans don't seem to complain. Or maybe that's because I haven't heard from enough non-Americans.
in america 29 percent of citizen's gross incomes goes to the federal government as opposed to England where 42 percent go to the government. In the movie you hear of the doctor who makes 200,000 dollars a year in England. In america many doctors specialists , pediatricians. etc can make way more than this.
Hm...First, where did you get that data? And secondly, isn't $200,000 enough? (Or maybe that was pounds, in which case he's making even more) Who honestly needs more than that? Apparently the salaries are fine in other countries, because they seem to have plenty of doctors.
capmag add the dot com. Youtube dosent allow it. was the website where this info came from. The info I gave was for the European Union not england so that was my mistake. And secondly these doctors in America have been making almost millions of dollars so it isn't very realistic that they would give up hundreds of thousands of dollars even though it might not be the most ethical decision.
Hey man, and it's not only in healthcare that the US "stands out" from every other developed/"modern" country. Dig a little deeper (beyond Michael Moore films), and you'll see that, as a taxi driver once said to me, "America is the richest third world country."
It's just been proved by sloppy by name and sloppy by nature. You obviously sure ain't got the sense to open your mind and actually think. America the Christian values of screw your fellow man.. It beggars belief..
GWThorley 7 months ago
I believe in Capitalism. I believe the only reason we need a government is to enforce the rules of our empire and to extend the suffering of all that are not American. Profits are everything! People are just sources of profit - and if they cease to be profitable, then of course deny them care and coverage. It's the American way. If you have cancer and can't afford it - then just die! Every man for himself - thats the way - thats what made this country great.
SLOPPYVOMIT 8 months ago
@johnny..., The whole point of any welfare system to the well off help the needy. A basic Christian ethos. Yet for a Christian country it seems this is not a requirement. I recently had to have a genetic test. The NHS sorted it. I went to my doctor who referred me to a hospital were I was treated brilliantly. Today my private healthcare has notified me that now any treatment that is required WILL need to be dealt with by the NHS if they can provide treatment within 6 weeks. They citied this pol
GWThorley 9 months ago
Sometimes I get the feeling that American History stops in the founding days in the brains of many. And that old values a re stuck to like a livesaver even though the world has gone some steps further. and It makes me wonder why? and why so much hate? and why is so much ignorence is possible.
I think many of michael moores movies are to polemic. But this one I thought was really good.
MegaRoteschorle 10 months ago
what gives you the feeling that America as this great island without a proper infrastructure, with poverty reminding of developing countries, with a dept so high they are dependent on china, what makes you think that this island, cast of from the rest of civilastion, it seems, knows more then everybody else?
MegaRoteschorle 10 months ago
where did you get 4 stars from?
dantheman1507 1 year ago
cuba has an amazing health care system. castro had a choice: war, or health care, and he choose's health care. that shows alot about about how he thinks about taking care of cubans and the way they live. i know fidel castro has made mistakes. but communism in cuba is quite brilliant, even though, it is a poor country and fidel has dictatored when communism isnt about dictatoring. but, with capitalism, the country would have died a long time ago. great video :)
JAKEOFSTEEL 1 year ago
ive lived in the states, in several parts of europe (uk, france, switzerland, spain, italy) and australia. Im a married to a canadian.
in a nutshell, they are all superior.
mojo972 1 year ago
great video mate
Mar2623 1 year ago
In a country like Egypt, when somebody needs care the government finds the best clinic around western Europe and give accommodations for that patient (transportation, hotel stay, and the instant care.)
rdean1 1 year ago
if healthcare is given to the people who can't afford it and the people who don't pay for it are forced by way of penalties to purchase insurance,,,,then who the fuck is paying the altimate price?Moore is a propaganda filled asshole! He just hates himself so much he hates everything! The MAJOR complainer,,making money off of idiots who believe his BULLSHIT! Who are they? Think about that,,4 star! Brainwashed idiot!
morgue666666 1 year ago
@morgue666666 ",then who the fuck is paying the altimate price?" Um...fundamentally, the people of america will be paying the ultimate price, via premiums and taxes. In return, they will receive healthcare (among other things)
sonicsuns 1 year ago
@sonicsuns smh at @morgue666666 who cares more about war than health care
urnotdafatha 8 months ago
@morgue666666
Seems you don't have trouble to spend trillions on two fucking wars for 9 long years but when its the health of your own people you give a shit.
Jesus would spit you in your dirty greedy redneck face.
llothar68 1 year ago
@morgue666666 ignoring that what you describe is not what actually ends up happening in other countries that have similar systems..I do appreciate how you boil it down to the essence of the argument against universal health care.
Better others die then you have to spend a dollar on someone else.
Thank you for being, unlike most of your fellows, honest about where your priorities really lie.
booley 1 year ago
If your information comes from the "news" you are a brainwashed fool.
There is no such thing as a "FREE" healthcare system someone has to pay for it, NOTHING is free.
Taxpayers have to pay for it (you probably dont pay taxes).
The quality is low and the services are limited for of course the cost is less than ours.
Why did Castro get a doctor from Spain for one his recent surgeries?
DO SOME OBJECTIVE RESEARCH YOUNG FOOL!
espada9 2 years ago
I really don't think shouting at me is going to help.
Yes, I agree that "free" healthcare is actually paid for by taxpayers. But it's still a good idea.
As for objective research, I invite you to look at the World Health Organization statistics, and see how Canada (and France, and Britain) compare to the U.S. in terms of quality healthcare.
sonicsuns 2 years ago 4
@sonicsuns: So you get your perspective from "stories"??? That explains everything.
Your system may be better in some ways for instance minor needs and non-emergencies, statistics show our care is far superior in quality when it comes to serious issues and major treatments.
BOTH systems need reform but having some bureaucrat in Washington (and their special interest group friends) run the system is NOT reform!
espada9 1 year ago
@espada9 "stories"? What are you talking about? I cited the statistics from the World Health Organization. If you have statistics to prove that the U.S. is better than other countries in some way, show me the statistics.
I understand the dangers of special interests and bureaucrats having too much discretionary power. But note that those types of people are already running the health care system; they work for the corporations.
sonicsuns 1 year ago
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@sonicsuns What the fuck do you know about anything. You look like you are 12. What dont you understand about the US. We arent europe or canada therefore we dont have socialized medicine. Moron
johnnybravo234 1 year ago
@espada9 you do know that there is a national health service in Spain ... or are you like that young dude in the video innocent and discovering that there is more to this world that USA....
Mar2623 1 year ago
@espada9 Have you been to the UK. Our healthcare is not substandard, we pay taxes for it and believe me we do not have any of the horror stories that you have in the so called land of opportunity. I know now that if something happens to me, I will be taken care of - no ifs or buts. Do you not think that is the measure of a good society.
forzascalea 1 year ago
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PlayBeyondNews 2 years ago
Sunicsons, you have a wonderful way with talking. Your description of your opinion is spectacular. I agree with everything you're saying. If only I knew how to speak as well.
Mirandahkus 2 years ago
thank you =)
sonicsuns 2 years ago
I don't understand why America hates the idea of Socialized Medicine so much, while so many other countries have it and are doing quite well with it. America's media makes it seem like "Oh, we're america, our medical technology is so much more advanced and better than the rest of the world..." while we hardly even give our people help because the healthcare systems call everything simply "experimental" if someone has cancer and needs help or has a dangerous tumor then it's not "experimental"
Mirandahkus 2 years ago
ok im no fan of the us healthcare system. im not a fan of anything that is built to make the rich get richer. But you can't base all your opinions on seeing a michael moore doc. that's the exact same thing as basing your opinions on what the government tells you. There are two sides to everything and sicko is just one side, people have to realize that. Im not saying it doesnt have a point, im just reminding people to take it with a grain of salt.
kevindarklord 2 years ago
True, everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
But I'm unaware of any major factual errors in Sicko. And in any case, various sources (like the World Health Organization) inform me that America spends a whole lot more than Europe does on healthcare, but we don't live any longer as a result.
One way or another, we ought to have healthcare reform.
sonicsuns 2 years ago
@kevindarklord I agree. The documentary is designed to shock and shame, That said give me universal healthcare every-time.
forzascalea 1 year ago
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ljuvier5 2 years ago
Yeah bro, I'm with you 100% on this, but I think a lot of this we have no one to blame but ourselves. Americans tend to have the attitude that if it doesn't affect me why should I give a shit. This attitude historically prevailed and still dominates today. We let our government waste money on other things like war, I could never figure this out, and why the hell Americans health and well being is not no. 1 priority such as is the case in all of those other countries
pucksterz12 2 years ago
yeah, we don't always think clearly.
sonicsuns 2 years ago
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no one cares what you think. you are bumbling idiot, and a sheep.
TimidPictures 2 years ago
Poeple like TimidPictures should go to school in the UK! He is why we don't have a heathcare bill that gets passed. Because we Americans are stupid. Instead of talking about topics we call each other names.
crftyldytoo 2 years ago
Why name call. The issue is we in the UK have a system that works. Private & "Social" aka NHS. All are taxed but have the option of choice. USA no money no choice. I have to ask Why? Get opinions, thoughts not cheesy name calling which is petty & misses the point of the commentary on Sicko and the failures its points out with the American Healthcare System. Obama is looking to bring a NHS system to america and it seems the rich are complaining while others have no voice.
GWThorley 2 years ago
The system in the USA seems to be very unfair, and biased towards those with money. I am angry for you. Shame on those who exploit the needy and downtrodden.
Notofthisworld13 2 years ago 2
I wanted to give a thumbs up and couldn't change it...
crftyldytoo 2 years ago
I live in the UK and I cannot believe how scared Americans are of helping each other. You can invade countries in the name of democracy but you dump sick people on the streets. If Michael Moore is Anerica's conscience then more please. I take for granted our health care and call it everything under the sun when I have to wait 20 minutes to see a GP but the idea to pay him first is insane. I have private medical too and their are benefits but my first port of call if ill is the NHS.
GWThorley 2 years ago 4
Hey Sonic, don't let anyone tell you what to think.
libertatem997 2 years ago
i think the health care system works like this
if you want fast help you have to pay alot
if you want to pay a littl bit you have to wait
medeocracy 2 years ago
not to mention that doctors get paid about 4% of the whole health care economy... this is assuming that doctors get paid 500k yearly... i got the whole math if anyone is interested :P
sniped101 2 years ago
yeah, I'd like to see the math. What happens to the other 96% of the money?
sonicsuns 2 years ago
expenses.. tooo tooo complicated for a 19 year old to do.. BUT lets say each person in the usa pays 400 a month for health insurance which is a steal because its probably double that. I doubt i could fit everything in this box but ill email you :)
sniped101 2 years ago
i got a question, why can't i find the recorded clip with richard nixon talking about how he didn't care about what happened to the peole of america death wise and how concerned he was about simply mking and keeping the money? huh? why?
kishinnorinku 2 years ago
I presume you refer to the tape where Nixon says that the privatized healthcare system works for the insurance companies "because the less care they give 'em, the more money they make."
I don't have the audio file on hand, but if you google "Sicko is Socko" you'll find a story from Time Magazine which discusses the movie, mentions the quote, and (implicitly) confirms that the quote is legitimate.
sonicsuns 2 years ago
tryn to find it on here to show it somone
kishinnorinku 2 years ago
AGREED!!!
the last person who tried from what i remember was Hillary Clinton and she got paid off along with other people.
to be honest I don't think we are actually a capitalist country.How can we be a capitalistic country when we have a central bank ( ie: the federal bank which isn't federal at all).
sniped101 2 years ago
oh and almost all news is controlled by corporations, and as we all know special interests are almost always involved with any corp.
brucelee6790 2 years ago
Im british and a few years ago I fractured my neck was paralysed for a while they thought for good , and I had NO worrys about some damn insurance company .
companys are set up to make a profit and thats fine , but that shouldnt be the aim in healthcare or the fire brigade or police
bearsagainstevil 3 years ago
hey sonicsuns,
Im german, and I can tell you, that our healthcare-system gets worse every year! With every political change (we have 5 partys now in gov.) its shown that democracy is an illusion...
But Im very proud that there is a change of thinking in the us (by watching lots of such kind of vids). if you would read marx, u would understand that communism is not about imprisoning, but real freedom. a freedom even better than capitalism could ever provide. In real comm. there can be democracy!
6Sardaukar6 3 years ago
Well, yes, communism certainly *aspires* to provide more freedom than capitalism ever would. But the theory is often detached from the practice. I love the idea of everyone sharing and working for the greater good, but it's dangerous to give the government direct control over the sharing process. The government becomes very powerful that way, and susceptible to corruption.
Of course, a democratic communist state might avoid corruption. But I'm not really convinced yet.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
Uhm. You should really think about communism again. Democratic communism is oxymoron. Communism is about one party. No free will, only party's will.
If you want to work for the greater good, no one can stop you, you live in free country and you have freedom to live your life as you see fit. Maybe you should try to search for gulag or collectivizations on youtube.
diedevilmaycry1 3 years ago
You are thinking of Russian and Chinese communism, which indeed operated on one-party systems (if memory serves me well) and ruled with tyranny. Both countries continue to abuse the rights of their people.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
However, this is not *technically* the definition of communism. The actual definition simply means that people pool their resources and cooperate for the greater good. The government is the most probable agent to manage this cooperation, but the definition of communism does not declare that the government should be run by a dictator, or a one-party system, or any particular system at all, just so long as a resources are being pooled.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
Thus, a democratic communist state is possible. Karl Marx (father of communism) did not advocate oppression by any means (though various oppresive goverments claimed to be following Marx's guidelines).
sonicsuns 3 years ago
From Wikipedia: " 'Pure communism' in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life."
This is what I was referring to when I talked about the aspirations of communism.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
Ohhh. What about ex-Czechoslovak communism?
As for Marx, he suggested that proletariat should become ruling class.
diedevilmaycry1 3 years ago
lol sonicsuns "i consider myself a pretty well informed person, i watch the news and such" i've got some news for you, there is no news in the world that isn't bias.... (with the exception of fox news lol jk jk) fuck the news
brucelee6790 2 years ago
ok, bush loves war, if you want better healthcare, join the military (there adds are like bribery)
Its kinda frustrating how your country works, im afriad of moving down there if i get engage to my american airforce boyfriend (who knows). that i have meet and we are still together 17 months
jaheira2016 3 years ago
you guys dont have Health"care". Care means that you care enough for that person to live, how they "feel".
But you guys have to keep fighting for freedom, no matter who the president, just dont stop, keep going tell you guy keep it as a whole.
I love you guys and i love my American BF down in the states, but....im afriad how your healthcare and insurance work, how they take advantage.
So. your allowed to carry guns to shoot civilians by"accident" then thats another way to make money off of u?
jaheira2016 3 years ago
shut the fk up
imaboy5 3 years ago
who is this moron anyway
elmamonsote 3 years ago
They call me "Sonicsuns"
=)
sonicsuns 3 years ago
Hi Sonicsuns!
Thanks for your thoughts on this video. I am also surprise that you never knew that we get FREE Health Care in Europe as most of us here know that the USA havnt got this previlage.
Its a shame that Americans do not stand up against these evil business people who profit from suffering! Any kind of injustice you find in Europe you will find demonstrations and eventual prosecution. Why cant our American do the same?
Time for a Revolution.
DoctorLoveJuice 3 years ago
This is interesting - I am a European and, if I get run down, shot, whatever emergency then some nice people in an ambulance will come and help me out, without needing to see a policy or even an i.d. Its like this anywhere in Europe. Question: What actually happens in the States if one is in the same situation without any insurance policy or i.d? Do you REALLY get left on the pavement (sidewalk) to bleed to death?? I find that impossible to believe....
justinteixeiravaz 3 years ago
If you're in a major accident in the U.S., you generally get whatever immediate care you need, even without insurance. But they'll try to stick you with a big bill later, and if you can't pay it, they won't give you further treatment.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
So if you get hit by a car and damage your legs, they'll stop you from dying, but you won't get a free wheelchair when you leave the hospital. And you won't get free surgery to fix your legs in the future. And if you're dying slowly, like from cancer or something, they won't help you at all, unless you pay big money. And the insurance company will try to avoid paying if they can; they'll find a loophole or something. It's really sad.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
faggot
BrOwNzY101 3 years ago
Wow. Nice purple/pink curtains. A 14 year old, living at home, talking as if he knows everything because he watched a movie. Nice work jackass.
Fargo358 3 years ago
wow 15 minutes of fame, fag. get a fuckin life and tell me somthin i dont know
analturtle 3 years ago
YOU ARE A NERD!!!! GO GET A LIFE!!!
mczee2958 3 years ago
"Cuba's a pretty poor country compared to the flippin U-s-of-a
DoccRobb 3 years ago
Yes it is. Which is why it's so strange that their healthcare is about as good as ours. You'd think the big rich country would have a much better system.
sonicsuns 3 years ago
Hit puberty a little early? I feel ur pain.
Cdiwins1 4 years ago
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Nice curtains...
hsibelius 4 years ago
LAME
lamesis1703 4 years ago
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englished 3 years ago
Please kill yourself for the greater good.
sodajerkxxx 4 years ago
You're creepy.
RyanStilesIsFunny 4 years ago
I like capitalism too. I just don't like the EXTREME GREED I've been seeing in the last 15 years. If you own a company, make a profit. But at the same time, respect the rights and dignity of a human being. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
MishuTaste 4 years ago 5
absolutely.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
You just contradicted yourself
AltairTao 4 years ago
The best thing is going CENTER..The best from both sides
Shuton2008 3 years ago
sonicsuns likes the smell of his own farts. u absolutely love to hear yourself talk.
i have no respect for you.
ridingtechnine 4 years ago 2
shut the fuck up
ridogg01 4 years ago 2
shouldnt u be playing sports?
ridingtechnine 4 years ago
(part 7)
That's the reason why I think capitalism should be abolished and why I think that communism is waaaaay mor effective, harmonical and better than capitalism (and it has absolutely nothing to do with stalin, fidel, mao and the like). Profit as the main incentive sucks, nuff said.
Mensch86 4 years ago
Maybe not communism lets say socialist. Anyways for me
James9067 3 years ago
(part 6)
So basicly what the governments all around the world are doing right now is shoveling money up the big companies asses and at the same time taking money from our health care system, the education sector and the well fare system. Because that's just how capitalism works. If you have money you have power and if you don't well then you'll have to see how you're gonna survive.
Mensch86 4 years ago
(part 5)
And our country is not in debt because we are a poor country (I think Austria is the 7th richest country in the world), but because over the last centuries there have been serious tax cuts given to all the companies simply because "it's the trend of the economy" right now and we don't want to miss this trend.
Mensch86 4 years ago
(part 4)
For years we in Austria didn't have to pay a cent when we wanted to go to university and a few years ago our government said that we can't go on like this because the state is in debt and we'll have to start to pay for our education - a basic right which everyone should be able to get no matter how much money he/she has.
Mensch86 4 years ago
(part 3)
That's why you can't raise living standards in 3rd world countries, that's why you can't have proper health care even in the USA and that's why life or the world seems to be really cruel when you look at it.
And you're right when you say that we in Europe (I'm from Austria) have free health care, free education and all in all a better well fare system, but currently the government is trying to cancel these things one by one
Mensch86 4 years ago
(part2)
But I think things like health care, education, food and all that are basic human rights. After all we are a very productive society. We could feed 12 billion people, so why are there still people starving to death? And the answer is that in capitalism the only incentive to do things is to make profit from it and if there's no money to gain from something, you simply don't do it.
Mensch86 4 years ago
(part 1)
I've watched all 3 parts of your video and I feel just the same way as you do. I think it's truly amazing how inhuman this system of ours treats the members of society. Everything depends on money and if you don't have any you are considered worthless and are left to die. You can see that in 3rd world countries where people work hard all their lives and still millions of people starve or die from diseases simply because they don't have any money to buy health care or food.
Mensch86 4 years ago
How do you define basic human rights? Medical care, college education, and even having someone mow your lawn are all basic human rights? What about the rights of the people you are forcing to pay for all of this? How is it your basic human right to take my money? Isn't there a basic human right about not stealing? Making it a law doesn't make it right. You want health care, so somehow you're allowed to take my money to get it.
murrdpirate 4 years ago
well, the basic idea of government is a group of people pooling their resources for the common good. The idea is that, though a particular government program may superficially help only a small portion of the populace, ultimately everyone benefits.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 2)
For example, look at the highway system. Personally, I drive rather rarely and scarcely need any highways beyond those in my immediate vicinity. And yet my taxes (both past and future) pay for the construction and maintenance of dozens of other highways, which I personally never use.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 3)
Now, is this "highway robbery", so to speak? Has the government unfairly taken my well-earned money? Not really, no. For the dozens of highways that I never use nevertheless used by other people. And those millions of other people all drive the economy, which in turn provides me with better job opportunities than I would have had otherwise.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 4)
So you see, the government "steals" my money in order to provide me with something better. Everybody benefits.
Now, OF COURSE things aren't quite that simple. Governments are often wasteful and corrupt, and we should be vigilant in demanding that our tax dollars are well-spent.
But the basic idea still makes sense.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 5)
I ask you this: If the government may not "steal" anyone's money, how is the government supposed to function? Well, I suppose we could just ask people for voluntary donations to the government, but that seems a bit impractical for the near future.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 6)
The other option is to stop the "stealing", cancel all taxes, and allow the government to go bankrupt. That, I presume, would leave us with anarchy, where everyone fends for himself. But that would be Social Darwinism, which is very cruel indeed.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 7)
You, I presume, are not an Anarchist, nor a Social Darwinist. (Few people are). So then surely you recognize the need for pooling our resources in at least a few areas. National defense, for instance. If you lived on one side of the country and a enemy invaded us on the other side, would you object to repelling the invasion?
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 8)
Would you demand that your personal tax dollars not be used in defense of fellow citizens? Would you declare that, by using your money to repel an invasion that did not affect you directly, the government had in fact "stolen" you money?
I doubt it. I think you would recognize the logic of a common defense. So why not common healthcare?
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 9)
Now, I understand your point about "How do you define basic human rights?". Naturally, the government shouldn't bother with frivolities like well-manicured lawns, not unless it seriously has nothing better to do.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 10)
But I believe that we can, and should, provide people with a basic right to life. And if you're sick, someone should help you. And I hardly care where this help comes from; if the free market had provided good healthcare for all I would leave it at that. But the market (thus far) has failed. And considering that socialized medicine has worked so well in Britain and other countries, why not give it a chance in America?
Sincerely, Sonicsuns
sonicsuns 4 years ago
(continuing reply to murrdpirate, part 11)
P.S. Remember we're not just taking money from you to give it to someone else. We're giving it to the community, to whoever needs healthcare. If you ever get sick, you'll get the same benefits as any other sick person.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
Get up go to a health care rally and ask people why they are there. Their horror stories will scare you. I am still sick, dying and cant get help. I will fight till my last breath leaves my body.
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clipedwingangel 4 years ago
I think people like GoAngel MIGHT be shills or plants from the healthcare lobby. I have been to other countries with socialized medicine and could't find a person to say anything bad about it. It is only on these chat boards that you hear about the long lines and incompetent doctors.
We have socialized k-12 education, parks, roads, military, military health care, social security. Why wont socialized medicine here????????
myfletcher 4 years ago
I like your use of the word "might". We shouldn't jump to conclusions.
And technically, socialized medicine isn't always good, even though it's usually better than the US system. New Zealand, for instance, really does have terrible healthcare, even though its socialized. The UK, on the other hand, has great healthcare.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
hmmm, I have to see this movie.]
Well, on a different perspective I live in New Zealand and we have free public healthcare. However, doctors here don't get paid as much which means that the better ones go overseas (to places like America) where they get more money for what they do. Which leaves us with only average, overworked doctors that are miserable.
GoAngel14 4 years ago
For example, this guy I know got shot in the head and survived , and the doctors just sent him home, no X ray or nothing. A couple of weeks later he discovered he still had the bullet in his head, they hadn't even bothered to look! My brother almost died because the doctor wasn't able to diagnose him with diabetes even though my mum suggested it, and another person I know lost a third of their blood and they were just given a blood transfusion and sent home that night.
GoAngel14 4 years ago
Healthcare is free but people here don't know what they're doing, and they don't care because they aren't being paid enough to do it. They're always on strike, you have very very long wait times till you're seen, and when they see you they don't bother to spend the time figuring out what is wrong, they want you out of there and fast. In contrast I have heard that American doctors are SIGNIFICANTLY better than ours, and have more advanced technology at hand.
GoAngel14 4 years ago
So really my point is that there are ups and downs with both systems. In America doctors don't care about you unless they get paid, in New Zealand they don't care about you because they aren't paid enough.
Anyways, that's my two cents, stupid youtube won't let me post all my comments in one message unfortunately.
GoAngel14 4 years ago
yeah, it's dumb that youtube makes you split up long comments.
Anyway, you have a point, but the problems of socialized medicine can be addressed. I checked the World Health Organization stats, and New Zealand ranks at 41, even below the United States, which is at 37. So you're right that NZ has a crappy system. But that's not true of all socialized healthcare programs. France, for instance, has the best healthcare in the whole world. And the UK ranks at 18.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
Obviously, paying all doctors the same amount, regardless of quality of service, is a recipe for disaster. But there's nothing fundamental about being paid by the government that causes all doctors to get paid the same. Implement a meritocracy; the better you do, the more you get paid. The clients, on the other hand, will still pay nothing, except through taxes.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
Fight to pay the doctors more
CatsupIslam 4 years ago
Wow. Simply, wow. You make this extremely easy to understand and you've given me reason to leave America. That is not easily done.
meatwad594 4 years ago
How old are you?? You're brilliant but young!!
imsmrtt 4 years ago
Wow, thanks!
sonicsuns 4 years ago
who rates something out of 4, whats wrong with you, your the sicko
daragreaney 4 years ago
uh...don't know where you're from, but around here movies are always rated out of 4 stars.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
Yeah, from what I've seen in America for some reason they rate movies out of four, I totally don't get it either!
GoAngel14 4 years ago
F**k I want to live in canada now!
feildmouse 4 years ago
lol i know we like to spend all our cash on bomb and shit..
1mnuts 4 years ago
I agree but moore did not mention the ridiculous taxes that all these countries' citizens must pay to support universal healthcare. Though the system we have now is still bad.
riptide1234 4 years ago
just how high are these "ridiculous taxes" anyway? I keep hearing about that, and yet never from the people in other countries. Americans keep telling me that "oh, taxes are so high elsewhere, and the lines are so long" etc. And yet, non-Americans don't seem to complain. Or maybe that's because I haven't heard from enough non-Americans.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
in america 29 percent of citizen's gross incomes goes to the federal government as opposed to England where 42 percent go to the government. In the movie you hear of the doctor who makes 200,000 dollars a year in England. In america many doctors specialists , pediatricians. etc can make way more than this.
riptide1234 4 years ago
Hm...First, where did you get that data? And secondly, isn't $200,000 enough? (Or maybe that was pounds, in which case he's making even more) Who honestly needs more than that? Apparently the salaries are fine in other countries, because they seem to have plenty of doctors.
sonicsuns 4 years ago
capmag add the dot com. Youtube dosent allow it. was the website where this info came from. The info I gave was for the European Union not england so that was my mistake. And secondly these doctors in America have been making almost millions of dollars so it isn't very realistic that they would give up hundreds of thousands of dollars even though it might not be the most ethical decision.
riptide1234 4 years ago
Hey man, and it's not only in healthcare that the US "stands out" from every other developed/"modern" country. Dig a little deeper (beyond Michael Moore films), and you'll see that, as a taxi driver once said to me, "America is the richest third world country."
hmrimm 4 years ago
I wonder if Mexico's health care system is free as well. Very well said.
mollyz2000 4 years ago
I suggest you read Manufacturing Consent to understand why the things you mention are not reported
Shockleynews 4 years ago