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@BrotherDavid70x7 Ben Stein is intellectually dishonest. Using propaganda and twisting facts. How can you respect Stein when he kicked scientists and philosophers out of his movie premiere. I watched this movie and it was terrible. ID is a more modern version of theistic fairy tales.
This movie is inapropriate for children. Its deceitful, manipulative, and encourages dangerous occult practices that in the past has killed millions of innocent people.
@flyingscience2 No you just have your delusions. This film was terrible and did not contain real facts or any dialogue. The film was just an attack on the academic and scientific communities. He cut, cliped, and manipulated footage. This film was made for unintelligent, scientifically ignorant people. Like you.
Premise Media, who own the rights to the movie Expelled, have gone bankrupt (due to backing badly-made and biased movies like this) and are being auctioned off on Tuesday June 28. Atheist group Panda's Thumb are collecting donations so we atheists can buy the rights to the uncut version of this movie an finally show it without DMCAs so all can see how badly Stein distorted the facts.
Biblical creation is the only consistent and reliable truth that has stood the test of time. In the evolutionary world view there are 3 things that evolutionist CAN'T account for they are 1. Laws of logic 2. Uniformity in nature 3. Absolute morality. They only exist if the God of the Bible is the Creator and by you using them in your daily life simply states that you are created not evolved. Please answer if you had to put a percentage on your disbelief in God What would it be?
@Genesis1GodCreated No one needs absolute morality. But not-killing people in your group leaves you stronger than other groups that do. It's common sense. No invisible Spook required. I 100% believe there is NO God. We not only evolved, we have the wrong kind of retinas, installed backwards. Squids, octopuses and snails have the right kind, where nerves sensing light lead out the BACK of the eye not towards the front!
@Dracopol Evolution and other worldviews cannot logically account for these 3things and biblical creation can, all an evolutionist can do is surmise and hypothesize. If human beings were merely the out workings of millions of years of mindless chemical processes, then why should we hold to a universal code of behavior? Could there really be such concepts as right and wrong if evolution were true? When did our ancestors start being moral? You cant account for it, Biblical creation origins can.
"all an evolutionist can do is surmise and hypothesize."
And prove without a reasonable doubt by repeatable testing through testing in the lab and in the field and observing genetic mutations of organisms and using genetics to find things like ERV's which prove without reasonable doubt common ancestry.
"then why should we hold to a universal code of behavior?"
We don't, we hold an evolutionary social behavioral code, other animals do too if they are a social species.
"Could there really be such concepts as right and wrong if evolution were true?"
Yes, when referring to the beneficial morality of the community.
"You cant account for it"
yes, we can.
"Biblical creation origins can."
No, it can't, since we evidently do not follow the morality of the bible. If we did we would still have slavery, we would kill our kids for being unruly, and so one and so on. The morality we have now comes from a subjective society, not the bible.
@Feralus69 Adam and Eve are common ancestors. Your point about animals have a behavior code, I don't know about you but have you or anyone else in the evolutionary community seen or even heard of animals setting up a criminal justice system to achieve justice? And if we are just like them then why do we have one? Only in the Bible do we find these answers. You are created in Gods image so you know right from wrong and you are able to reason and rationalize. Look up Isaiah 1:18 see what God says.
Adam and eve never existed, humans never bottlenecked at two human individuals.
"heard of animals setting up a criminal justice system to achieve justice?"
In their own ways, chimps for example single out and shun individuals that go against the code of their society, as well as other animals that do this like lions. The complicated part of our justice system is solely based on our big brains and the intelligence it holds.
"And if we are just like them then why do we have one?"
Our brain size.
"Only in the Bible do we find these answers."
LOL, no we dont, we find the big non answer, and there are many many explanations from other religions as well. Saying the bible is the only place we find it is pretty dishonest.
"You are created in Gods image so you know right from wrong"
If I was created in gods image hes pretty imperfect and im not since im not a tyrannical maniac.
@Feralus69 It could also be pointed out that, according to Genesis1GodCreated's own beliefs, the claim that we are created in god's image has nothing to do with the knowledge of right and wrong. According to that story we are specifically created *without* this knowledge, and, in fact, it was the act of attaining this knowledge which led god to punish us for eternity. Of course, it is not shocking to such inconsistency from someone who clings to something that is so obviously flawed.
@LeonhardEuler1 By you being created in Gods image doesn't mean God looks like a human. God created us to display certain qualities, like free will and knowing right from wrong. Adam chose to sin by making a chose to disobey God and eating what Eve had given him. And as Adam had a chose so do we, God doesn't want people to fallow him because they have to. I fallow God because i want to no one is forcing me. There is freedom in Jesus, believe me when i tell you there is freedom in Jesus.
@Genesis1GodCreated I never said that it did mean that. I was responding a quote from you that Feralus69 addressed, in which you said "You are created in Gods image so you know right from wrong"- there is a problem with the word "so" in that sentence, because the first statement does not follow from the second one, based on the claims of Christianity. If you happen to believe that man was created with the knowledge of good and evil, contrary to what ....
@Genesis1GodCreated ... the bible says, then I apologize- I was under the impression that your beliefs were based on the teachings of the bible. As for the issue of freedom... I have a feeling that I would completely disagree, but you would have to elaborate more on what you mean by that before I could say anything for certain. And no, I'm afraid I won't believe you when you tell me- I will believe you when you can demonstrate it.
@LeonhardEuler1 Yes my believes are based on the teachings of the Bible. Like i said God gave use a free will to chose him or deny him. We are not forced to accept what Jesus did on the cross, we can chose to accept what Jesus did on the cross. True Biblical Christianity is not like any other. For instance muslims and all these religions have a set of works they must do in order to go to heaven. Biblical Christianity says there is nothing you can do besides trust in Jesus as your savior.
@LeonhardEuler1 As far as demonstrating it to you it is one of those things you must experience yourself i can't experience it for you, i can tell you how my life has been changed and how i been set free if you want me to?
@Genesis1GodCreated You can it if you like, but, as you said, that does not justify anything to anybody else, so it truly is nothing more than a story to me. I would be more interested in hearing your explanation as to how this experience justifies it to you, in particular, how you can be certain that it was something that genuinely occurred (as apposed to being a "trick," so to speak, of your mind), how you can possibly surmise the source of the experience, if it did occur, ....
@Genesis1GodCreated ... and how you can be sure of the intentions of this source. The last one goes back to the old question (Euthyphro's Dilemma written about by Plato, suitably modernized; also, assuming that within your beliefs you claim the existence of an entity like the devil, which may be false, but the point would still stand in its absence)- how do you know god is good? Either you judge this god on a moral code which exists outside of god, in which case ...
@Genesis1GodCreated ... we are on equal footing with god with respect to morality, and god is irrelevant to the discussion, as it is merely a messenger, or, alternatively, god is the author of the god which you are using to profess the goodness of god, in which case god is merely good because it says it is. The latter case begs the question (which ties it back to the part about the intentions of the source)- isn't that precisely what an evil deity intent on ....
@Genesis1GodCreated ... fooling you would do? Isn't that a very good reason to be skeptical of the nature of this being who commands you to believe it is good based solely on its word? To me, the first situation represents the irrelevance of god in a universe with an absolute morality, and the second represents the height of gullibility. Of course, I'm not saying that it is wrong for you to feel justified by that experience (so long as you don't attempt to enact social or political ....
@Genesis1GodCreated ... changes based on this belief without providing further justification, which is precisely why I am apposed to the ID movement)- I am merely interested as to how one can reconcile this apparent problems.
Man wrote the bible, not god, not one thing in the bible can be verifiably linked to a deity at all. We know how the bible was put together and it was far from divine, in Isaiah that was man talking not a god.
@Feralus69 I understand where you are coming from and in your argument there was a lot of personal opinion. Can you prove that the bible was indeed writing by man or can you give your opinion?
"Can you prove that the bible was indeed writing by man or can you give your opinion?"
Why yes, I certainly can, I can even give you who wrote most of the copies of the bible since no one knows who the authors actually were, of course everything has a certain point of opinion but I can also give my sources which are the evidence backing my opinions up. Can you prove that the bible was written by a deity? Can you show how any book not written by man verifiably?
@Feralus69 NO other book contains the end from the beginning, in the book of Isaiah 46:10 God says “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.” We can observe this in Bible prophesy no other book has done this accurately; man unassisted can NOT make these kinds of things known with such stunning precision.
"man unassisted can NOT make these kinds of things known with such stunning precision."
Lol, like what has it done with "stunning precision"? Oh you mean the self fulfilling prophecies or the ones made and then fulfilled within the same book? What prophecy specifically cannot be a product of man? I bet you could be quite the popular christian if you could find just one.
@Feralus69 If just 10 people today were picked who were from the same place, born around the same time, spoke the same language, and made about the same amount of money, and were asked to write on just one controversial topic, they would have trouble agreeing with each other. But the Bible stands alone in that it was written over a period of 1600 years by more than 40 writers from all walks of life.
"were asked to write on just one controversial topic, they would have trouble agreeing with each other."
Depends on the topic.
"But the Bible stands alone"
Lol no it doesn't, it's one of the most poorly written books of fiction mixed with non fiction ever written. It's full of errors, contradictions, atrocities it tries to justify and all out forgeries. And even if it was stand alone that would just come from centuries of editting, the fact it isnt by now says something.
@Feralus69 You said the Bible is "full of errors, contradictions, atrocities it tries to justify and all out forgeries." Can you provide an example where the Bible contradicts it self or where it's full of errors? The Bible isn't edited over and over it's translated once from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew).
"Can you provide an example where the Bible contradicts it self or where it's full of errors?"
Why sure, the geneologies of Jesus through Joseph, what was at the tomb when the women arrived, the way jesus come into that town on a donkey, the birth place of jesus (not the location but the type of place of birth), The announcement of Jesus' birth, etc, etc. Believe off the top of my head there's at least a 100.
@Genesis1GodCreated You're an idiot. Religions are full of holes and explain nothing. They fail to explain why a guy who went batshit and started whipping people should be venerated as the Prince of Peace. And there is no Universal Code of Behavior. There is a code of behavior that's pretty uniform in Armpit, Nebraska, in the Bible Belt, until the local preacher is caught liking crystal meth and gay prostitutes more than the word of God!
@Dracopol Thats what you get with religion that's why I'm not religious. True Biblical Christianity is all about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Grace is free, God's grace is free there is nothing you or i can do to earn it. Never in the Bible do you ever see God repairing a heart, a new one is always given. Receive what God has for you today don’t wait any longer. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. When your ready humble yourself and ask Jesus into your heart.
@Genesis1GodCreated It's bullshit for you to say you're not religious but have "direct contact with God". You haven't seen God, your leaders haven't seen God. Jesus Christ didn't conk you on the head to make you believe, you were Being Told religious ideas from established religious cults. I will not believe or follow or emulate the silly, pathetic Evil Whippy Jesus Boy of John 2:15. A guy who thinks he's entitled to fashion a whip and use it on his fellow man is just a dangerous fanatic.
@Dracopol Do you understand the difference between a relationship and a religion? A relationship is knowing someone personally a religion is what you can do to know God. Like trying to work to know God by way of rituals, eating certain things, Praying 5 times a day, stuff like that True Biblical Christianity is different, there is nothing you can do as far as works go to reach out to God. True Biblical Christianity is God reaching down to man and that's what Jesus did for you 2000years ago.
@Genesis1GodCreated God did not hit you on the head personally. You have been deluded into believing God and Jesus stuff from an EXISTING RELIGION. You would not have heard about it otherwise. And don't tell me you picked it up from books independently and decided it was true. It has to have been INCULCATED into you, when your mind was as an unformed, defenseless child's (the preferred state of mind for con-men and for Jesus Christ too, he said so).
@Dracopol You must get this if you don't understand anything else i said. From your perspective it's crazy and false, but there is a personal relationship here, only if you would humble yourself and believe and trust in Jesus as your Savior. I wouldn't lie to you it's not a religion it's not about joining some church it's about knowing Jesus personally. I know it sounds crazy to you but Jesus can set you free from yourself and your circumstances I wouldn't be taking to you if it weren't true.
@Genesis1GodCreated You don't KNOW Jesus personally, you're deluding yourself that you do. Jesus doesn't talk to you, and didn't even talk to your religious leaders who set you up on this mental "fail". Belief in religion wasn't innate in you, you were CONNED by other people. And I don't need freedom from anything. I'm a smarter-than-average, wealthier-than-average man who has REAL things to occupy his one-and-only life with. So you don't have to believe in Jesus the Whipper any more.
@Dracopol When you are ready just call on Jesus and you will be saved. You can't take your education or your money when you die none of that will matter. Just call on the name of Jesus, remember this ok, ill be praying for you man take care of yourself .
Is god omniscient (all knowing, knowing future, past, everything at all) or do we have free will?
Because logically we cannot have both, if your god is omniscient then he knows what we will do before doing it which means everything we do is predestined meaning that we cannot change from what he knows we will do. If free will exists it must follow that there is nothing that is omniscient including your god.
@Feralus69 Yes God is omnipotent he can see your thought life, your intentions behind every good or bad thing you do, He sees Everything! (Pslm 139:2 or 1 Chronicles 28:9). Just because God can scroll through time like we scroll through the pages of a book doesn't mean you don't have free will. God being omnipotent has nothing to do with you ultimately choosing Him or not. Just because you know your friend will steal your car doesn't mean he still doesn't have the chose to do so anymore.
"God being omnipotent has nothing to do with you ultimately choosing Him or not. "
I agree, but I didnt say omnipotent, I said omniscient. By definition if god is omniscient we do not have free will since he knows what we will do before we do it making everything predetermined. So which side of the fence are you on? Is god omniscient (all knowing) or do we have free will?
"Just because God can scroll through time like we scroll through the pages of a book doesn't mean you don't have free will."
Actually yes, it does, it means our destiny is predetermined therefore we cannot step off the path already set for us. In other words we cannot do something that god does not know we will do, which effectively demolishes free will. The only way we can have free will is if god doesnt know what we will do which makes it not omniscient.
@Genesis1GodCreated I have a question for you related to this issue- how do you know that god is the good one and the devil is the evil one? Either you can make the claim that we can determine god to be good by utilizing some sort of moral code which exists outside of god (in which case god is irrelevant to the discussion of morality, as he is a mere messenger and is not required to be moral), or you can make the claim that ...
@LeonhardEuler1 I don't know what god you are talking about but if it's the God of the Bible. We know God is good and just because his Word declares it. Like satan deceived Eve in the garden so satan is deceiving many today to believe in evolution. Science is knowledge—that which can be demonstrated and observed and repeated. Evolution cannot be proved, or even tested; it can only be believed. Humble yourself trust in Jesus to save you from yourself and your sins.
@Genesis1GodCreated Oh, so you admit that you are foolish enough to subscribe to the second case- you believe god is good because god says so. How astoundingly gullible...... and why exactly are you talking me about evolution? I talked to you about the nature of the god you believe in and your response is that evolution is a lie.... you might want to try focusing next time you respond. And I find it hilarious that someone who claims to possess absolute truth, to understand the nature and ...
@Genesis1GodCreated ... wishes of a being which you believe is far beyond yourself, and yet you tell me that I need to be humbled. I don't need to pawn off my "sins" on someone else (who according to your mythology is completely innocent)- I am not afraid to hold *myself* responsible for my actions.
@Genesis1GodCreated ... god is good according to the moral guidelines which god itself authored (in which case god is good because he says he is good, which begs the question- isn't that precisely what an evil deity intent on tricking you into following it would do?). Your argument is nonsense (and, in fact, this line of reasoning parallels Euthyphro by Plato, dated roughly 400BC, so why your argument still exists is nothing short of astounding), and to claim ...
This was an interesting review. When I heard it was about ID I knew it was going to a bit far fetched, but I enjoyed your opinions. Naturally, I'll be seeing the movie for myself very soon to make my own analysis. Thanks!!!!
@TheCreatorOf4 Which is all you did. Obviously you know there are facts in this video, well maybe you don't cause you didn't even watch the whole thing.
Way to act like you know what you're talking about.
@jib1000 I made a comment on your video. I gave my opinion on what impression it gave me. I only used the word "You" because I knew you had to be the one talking in the video.
'Obviously' whatever you say in this video is your opinion, you can't say "I alone know the facts."
The fact I didn't watch the whole thing means that just maybe, your intro needs work. Don't blame someone for using propaganda tactics when you are doing the same thing with that red lettering.
@TheCreatorOf4 Are you too stupid to realize that the person who posted this video's name is "neotropic9"? I did NOT post this video, i didn't make it, i just watched it. Unlike you i usually watch the entirety of something before i criticize it. You're inability to read, write, or use grammar leads me to believe that you're a fuckwit, and i'm sure your response to this post will help prove that.
@TheCreatorOf4Wow, i don't even know what to say, i think it was the "oh snap" that put me in my place. I promise i won't point out how ignorant stupid people are, i promise. What a brilliantly logical argument.
@TheCreatorOf4 Not mad at all, just think its funny that a ignorant fuck thinks its smart to criticize a video they couldn't even take the time to watch. Grow up little man, and get an education while you're at it.
@jib1000 Lol, no... you're mad. You're so angry you have to swear and let me know what you think about me because you are so mad. Their is nothing you can say --- you're nobody to me.
@jib1000 You might discover in the future that your user name is quite overlook-able. Oh, but from what I see on your homepage... some people do know you! Like I said, you are a prick... oh wait, no, you are proud to call yourself a Troll, right? Well... do you have any more "fucks" to say?
Is there any such thing as an atheist who actually bothers to research the opposing view? Every time I hear atheists (the 'four horsemen' included) talk, it's always a total misrepresentation and ignorance of Christianity. At least I read Dawkins and Hitchens before deciding they're jackasses - you atheists who are spoon-fed your beliefs and talking points by these con artists might want to actually read some Augustine, or some CS Lewis, or SOMETHING so you don't look like such fools.
@ModerateGuy738 read your text again and see the hipocrisy. if anyone is spoon-fed with beliefs it is religious people. Most children have to go church and learn the ways of christianity before they can tell truth from false. I know, I was one of them. I had to go to a catholic school and was told of the miraculous work of God.
After learning about evolution, i knew the bible couldn't be true. You can't read the origin of species and deny the evidence that is in it.
If morality comes from monkeys and human society then what are you complaining about? all is fair in love and war.
Abiogenesis and evolution go hand in hand if you actually think about it. if we evolved that implies that there is no god and that implies we came from slime for no reason. Either you are for or against intelligent design. You my friend are the ignorant one. They havnt defeated it at all. We havnt lost a single battle. You are like an insane man who think he rules the world.
There IS BLATANT religious discrimination going on Mr. Narrator! I a Christian school DARED cast out a gay teacher, there would be a FUCKING FIRESTORM from the likes of this LIBERAL narrator and his ilk! So, discrimination is fine and dandy against ANYONE who makes even a PASSING possibility of intelligent design? The coming elections are going to be the PUBLIC response of NAKED liberalism and socialist teachings and indoctrination! The people are FED UP with socialism/liberalism/Darwinism!
@intelligentlman Christians are befuddled by developments in society, and have to imagine external enemies and conclude they are being persecuted, as their leaders are exposed by ever-more advanced electronic media, the prevalence of cameras everywhere, and they are caught committing adultery or even going gay.
Christianity is not being persecuted. It's collapsing all by itself.
I am WATCHING this movie and I had to pause it to address what I see as a NAKED ATTACK by frankly a bunch of Darwinist assholes! Just MENTIONING "creationism" is leading a LOT of intelligent scientific people to LOSE their livelihoods! These colleges SHOUT TO THE HEAVENS, "academic freedom" then HARSHLY punish people unless they BOW and KISS THE FEET of Darwinism! This is ANOTHER example of LIBERAL HYPOCRISY! Darwinism has become a CULT and you MUST drink the amino acid soup koolade, or ELSE!
@intelligentlman Academics are hardly "free" to blatantly ignore the massive amounts of evidence accumulated over 150 years for the position of Evolution. There are no other contenders.
@Dracopol The "evidence of evolution" isn't even as good as the "if the glove don't fit, you must acquit" that came in the OJ Simpson trial! If the composition of the double helix strand of DNA fails to show you it was CREATED, then it is YOU with the problem!
@intelligentlman Look, fool, do YOU have a science degree? Because I do. Science is not a democracy. Your brains are your passport. You're like those idiots who claim there's a "controversy" about global warming, when all scientists are in agreement. Scientists just can't defend themselves. Just for once they ought to retain a new weapons development, not give it to the U.S. Army, and use it to defend the reputation of science itself. A private Science Army why not?
@intelligentlman The scientists you claim are "losing their jobs" are not intelligent, and they are not true scientists. They cling to religious beliefs despite the science, expanded instruments, and expanded powers of observation telling them otherwise. Surely you don't want to repeat the drama of Galileo, being persecuted for telling the embarrassing truth that goes against the Bible, namely, the Earth goes around the Sun?
If you were chosen to have faith, you would understand. why don't you read the bible before you call it "BULL SHIT" Mr. Atheist. You should not conclude your story until you know the TRUTH. ETERNITY is a long time. For your sake you wish you are right, but unfortunately, you're not.
@MorleyEntertainer We have the Bible in an entertaining format on skepticsannotatedbible(dot)com . Every single line of the Bible -- hyperlinked to what's wrong with it. Ever read THAT?!
By the way, how is your brain going to store all the memories of an infinite life when you do everything right and you become God's little pet? Even my camera with 10 32-gigabyte chips fills up after about seven or eight years! Think about it!
I wouldn't want to be a Christian, all you have to do is look at their comments to see they are some of the most hate filled and nasty people you could ever have the misfortune to meet.
@MarcusCardiff Thank Jehovah God I'm a Christian, otherwise I would be stuck having faith in something REALLY foolish, like believing a "stuff making explosion" made everything! No one was THERE to witness this so-called "stuff making explosion" form the basis of the world we now live in, but I'm to believe THAT? But somehow believing in God is somehow a stretch? Atheists REALLY downplay Jehovah's existence because many want to live sexually hedonistic lifestyles WITHOUT guilt!
@intelligentlman Oh I think Atheists stand on the right side of reasonable. Especially since you revealed yourself as a Jehovah's Witness, whose founder was tried and convicted of fraud for selling "miracle wheat"...and whose second leader was chastised for two counts of adultery.
If you had a head for science, the scientists would patiently educate you for 10 or 12 years and you'd understand how stuff can come from nothng. Sure beats the Talking Donkey!...(cont'd.)
@Dracopol The King James Bible was around LONG before the "Jehovah's Witnesses" were, and the verse in the Bible that contain His RIGHTFUL name were also there! What, the false pudgy god Buddha can have a proper name but NOT the True God of all creation, Jehovah?
@intelligentlman You are not educated. The name "Jehovah" is a fabrication. They took the vowel-less Hebrew hint, where God coyly tells people his name is YHVH, and added the vowel-sounds of "Adonai" backwards. That's where Yehovah or Jehovah ultimately comes from, it's a fabrication, a pastiche.
As for Buddha, again you're uneducated. Buddhists don't consider Buddha a god, and they even point to the verse where he said he's fallible, you don't necessarily have to believe what he says!
@Dracopol Let me weigh this fairly: amino acid soup VS talking donkey! Let's look at the talking donkey; there was Mr. Ed and Eddie Murphy in Shrek as the talking donkey, while your amino acid soup, which MEDIOCRE scientists TRIED to charge with electricity to make it LIVE! But somehow, Let me stop because the Ivy league eggheads are LOSING this battle like the Washington Senators lose to the Harlem Globe Trotters! I had NO IDEAL Ivy League scientists were so VAPID!
@intelligentlman The scientists have made artificial life now, from totally inanimate materials. How now, brown cow? What excuse will you give? You still can't offer anything better than science and can't credibly point to fantasy TV shows as if they are reality.
@intelligentlman ...(cont'd.) It used to be the Christian types argued that we were little worms who couldn't possibly understand God or be like him. "Can you fly through the air?!" they said. "Can you create life?" Well, we beat God's speed-record in the air in 1947 with Chuck Yeager ("like lightning seen in the east, and is heard in the west") and we created life in this century! So what are you silly Christians going to come up with next for false reasoning?
@MarcusCardiff I have FAITH and I have SEEN Jehovah God at work, oh and also I see the sheer complexity of science and I KNOW science was created and it took a VERY INTELLIGENT and POWERFUL Person to make it, more power than the creator of Harry Potter could EVER imagine!
@Dracopol Hmmm, is THERE a verse in the Bible that says, "thou shalt not break the sound barrier?" Hmmm? That rational is even WEAKER than the amino acid soup, and that was PATHETIC! The complexity of life being generated from a weird amino acid soup, damn, hey dude, I have a NICE bridge to sell you in New York City! Well, you fell for Darwin's snake oil, so obviously you will fall for ANYTHING!
@intelligentlman The writers of the Bible were limited men, primitive shepherds, not God-inspired, and when they wanted a metaphor for the speed of God they picked the speed of sound.
And you tell me what can be weaker than stories of talking snakes and donkeys? Do snakes and donkeys talk? No! So you can nix the Bible scientifically right there.
@intelligentlman Atheists want to live ADULT LIVES without inherited fairy-tales encumbering their existence. Atheists are more moral than Christians, who populate the prisons more than Atheists do. They invented universal police-forces and universal-health care and secular charities. Before that, Christians only donated for other Christians, never for Jews, and for heathens only to convert them. Christianity is a great racket, because the mark keeps blaming HIMSELF for product-failure.
lies or no lies, the guy needs a proper pair of shoes. honestly, you think a grown man would have the fashion sense to know that you don't wear sneakers with suits
Ben Stein's argument isn't unlike a neo-Nazi movement proclaiming that it's exclusion from politics is the result of a lack of tolerance from society.
( ̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅ ̲̅]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅ ) Religion attempts to explain metaphysics. "Atheism" is designed to subjugate Man by denying his incomparable value. It spawns Darwinism.
Treaties & edicts that violate the Constitution merely have the color of law. The U.S. wasn't conceived as an empire. The Constitution is the Law of the Land, that land being the United States of America.
The Universe was born from a confluence of gases, according to the orthodoxy of "atheism." This explains, in part, as to why "atheists" shun libraries.
"The Universe was born from a confluence of gases, " - Atheism is simply the position that a God does not exist, the title of atheist does not imply any position on the origin of the universe.
why would atheists dislike libraries? that seems more like a religious person...statistics have already revealed that on average theists are not as smart as atheists.
Indoctrination sure, well its about time ID pushed to indoctrinate the people then, fair is fair.. As for half a brain, again rudeness does not become you. Serious harm to science, damaging, then so be it, people need to check things out and not assume everyone with letters is right. but not so damaging as Lucy was, now there was a hoax. I like the footprints of dinosaurs with mans print embedded.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If you deny God then the fiery furnace awaits you.
@laurianfudge What if we don't believe in your god, but rather different gods or no gods at all? We won't see anything but empty words in your threat of eternal damnation, just as you wouldn't see any threat of going to Pastafarian Hell, because you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster like I do.
Oh, so propoganda media is only for scientists? We get enough billions/millions of years stuffed into the media so much so the interlectuals believe it. Your language leaves much to desire, is that how educated people speak? Rude and derogatory language lowers respect for your comments. Have YOU read the BIBLE? every word in every chapter? I doubt it, so dont expect us to read your bible of your faith then.
Second: The bible is pathetic and contradictory when you don't assume that it is the perfect word of god. I'll read anything that isn't rediculous, but i barely got halfway through the bible before coming to the conclusion that it is obviously a bronze-age myth novel. Science is not faith, you tool. Faith requires belief witout or despite evidence. Science is studying and improving on what we know to be true through evidence.
EXPELLED was certainly a piece of tendentious crap, using rhetorical feints but not disguising the fact that Creationists don't have a body of real biological research to match 140 years of scientific journal articles. They're just too lazy to equal that amount of effort.
To cleanse the palate, go watch the upcoming movie which is a biography of Darwin, named CREATION. It should highlight that Darwin was not an evil schemer; in fact he was initially Christian and torn by what he found.
The one thing you can tell about a lying evolutionist is the fact that every time you question their science, their only response in to start multiple religious bashing arguments.
Hey folks how about for once you engage in real scientific debate. If some one asks you a scientific question, respond with the facts since you claim science to be your truth.
It is obvious in the multiple posts here that there are precious few who actually understand the crap they attempt to blindly defend.
Ridiculous. Attacks and rhetorical feints by creationists have all been covered in talkorigins(dot)org . One section even shows that, before you pin your faith in an Intelligent Design poster-boy or other, make sure their degrees were NOT from a diploma-mill. A lot of these "eminent scientists" were caught with their pants down and you can read it on talkorigins in their FAQ by searching for "suspicious Creationist credentials".
An article in SCIENCE in 1985 *scientifically* examined claims that Creationists were having their point of view systematically discriminated against. In a survey of 150,000 articles in biology journals over 3 years, only 18 talked about Creationism, mostly only remarking about its apparition, not successfully defending its ideas. Then they asked editors were there any submissions and were they being excluded (for whatever reason)?.... (continued...)
...(cont'd.) The editors replied that there were only something like 29 submissions, hardly enough for a scientific movement much less a "revolution". They were from people who did have science and technology degrees but whose prior submissions were in various fields in and out of biology. The editors rejected these articles with comments like "high-school theme quality", "fails to define terms", "fails to acknowledge large body of literature on a matter", "tendentious", etc...
I am so glad that we can have this movie out there....I am so tired of fascist type liberals are are a cancer on the scientific community. This is so similar to what is going on with Copenhagen and climate science. The scientific community has been BULLIED into being told the discussion is over. Science is always evolving and is never DECIDED entirely. Everything is up for further digging, discussion, testing, etc.
The movie is utter crap and doesn't present one fact that either disproves evolutions or supports ID, besides "it's so complicated, it can't be random" line, there is nothing any merit in the whole movie
There are always situations where people may mistake randomly developed things for complex "created" things. Like the "beach rock" off Bermuda. People were finding "stone roads" circling an island, never leading to the interior but always offshore. One guy said Atlanteans/aliens built them! In fact the bedrock cracked, first lengthwise then perpendicular, and sand and grit filled in the cracks slowly and it looked like mortar. Complex looking, but not created!
I suppose this could also explain mt rushmore...(seriously) wind erosion along with rock exfoliation and mountain goat activity could totally build something like that over millions of years.
If Mt. Rushmore erodes, and natural formations like that elephant-shaped rock elsewhere in the world stays the same, it will be very difficult indeed to say what is "created' and what developed naturally. Let the scientists do the thinking about that, and set some clear rules and criteria to follow to determine what is man-made. Especially asking all the men in the world if they made it, and if they all say "no" then it's natural. Too bad this God the religios scream about has no proof to it.
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BrotherDavid70x7 1 month ago
@BrotherDavid70x7 Ben Stein is intellectually dishonest. Using propaganda and twisting facts. How can you respect Stein when he kicked scientists and philosophers out of his movie premiere. I watched this movie and it was terrible. ID is a more modern version of theistic fairy tales.
MrKGatl 3 weeks ago
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This movie is inapropriate for children. Its deceitful, manipulative, and encourages dangerous occult practices that in the past has killed millions of innocent people.
chronicleone 1 month ago
Evolution has no connection to believing in god or not
RayRai8262 5 months ago
Ben Stein bust's atheist ass in this movie.
"Expelled" should be called "Exposed".
Dawkins said himself know one knows how life began.
I do and so do others.
Great movie!
flyingscience2 5 months ago in playlist Ben Stein, Expelled
@flyingscience2 Does your mommy know you are using the computer? Always ask permission little boy.
alianchild 4 months ago
@flyingscience2 No you just have your delusions. This film was terrible and did not contain real facts or any dialogue. The film was just an attack on the academic and scientific communities. He cut, cliped, and manipulated footage. This film was made for unintelligent, scientifically ignorant people. Like you.
MrKGatl 3 weeks ago
@flyingscience2 Hell yeah
TarriCJx19 1 day ago
Premise Media, who own the rights to the movie Expelled, have gone bankrupt (due to backing badly-made and biased movies like this) and are being auctioned off on Tuesday June 28. Atheist group Panda's Thumb are collecting donations so we atheists can buy the rights to the uncut version of this movie an finally show it without DMCAs so all can see how badly Stein distorted the facts.
astrophonix 7 months ago
Atheism is the rejection of known religions on the basis of their own merits, and does not claim to have anything to do with science.
WxsOnline 7 months ago
LOL douche bag. It's not anti-science. Retard atheists that believe that their position is based on science cracks me up...
dex1391 7 months ago
Visit ICR.com great site you will love it. Also check out answers in genesis.com another great one.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
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2. Jesus Christ makes 30 “I AM” statements in the Gospel of John.
Ex: “… for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
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1. Jesus Christ fulfills o-v-e-r 200 Old Testament Messianic Prophecies ( Micah 5:2; etc.) Google Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
2. Jesus Christ makes 30 “I AM” statements in the Gospel of John.
Ex: “… for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
Check the Gospel of John in the New Testament.
3. 17 Secular sources confirm that Jesus Christ walked the earth (Celsus, Tacitus, Lucian, etc.) Google Secular sources for Jesus.
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1. Jesus Christ fulfills o-v-e-r 200 Old Testament Messianic Prophecies ( Micah 5:2; etc.) Google Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
2. Jesus Christ makes 30 “I AM” statements in the Gospel of John.
Ex: “… for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
Check the Gospel of John in the New Testament.
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GsliMaIiy 10 months ago
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billbo1154 10 months ago
Biblical creation is the only consistent and reliable truth that has stood the test of time. In the evolutionary world view there are 3 things that evolutionist CAN'T account for they are 1. Laws of logic 2. Uniformity in nature 3. Absolute morality. They only exist if the God of the Bible is the Creator and by you using them in your daily life simply states that you are created not evolved. Please answer if you had to put a percentage on your disbelief in God What would it be?
Genesis1GodCreated 10 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated No one needs absolute morality. But not-killing people in your group leaves you stronger than other groups that do. It's common sense. No invisible Spook required. I 100% believe there is NO God. We not only evolved, we have the wrong kind of retinas, installed backwards. Squids, octopuses and snails have the right kind, where nerves sensing light lead out the BACK of the eye not towards the front!
Dracopol 10 months ago
@Dracopol Evolution and other worldviews cannot logically account for these 3things and biblical creation can, all an evolutionist can do is surmise and hypothesize. If human beings were merely the out workings of millions of years of mindless chemical processes, then why should we hold to a universal code of behavior? Could there really be such concepts as right and wrong if evolution were true? When did our ancestors start being moral? You cant account for it, Biblical creation origins can.
Genesis1GodCreated 10 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"all an evolutionist can do is surmise and hypothesize."
And prove without a reasonable doubt by repeatable testing through testing in the lab and in the field and observing genetic mutations of organisms and using genetics to find things like ERV's which prove without reasonable doubt common ancestry.
"then why should we hold to a universal code of behavior?"
We don't, we hold an evolutionary social behavioral code, other animals do too if they are a social species.
Feralus69 10 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"Could there really be such concepts as right and wrong if evolution were true?"
Yes, when referring to the beneficial morality of the community.
"You cant account for it"
yes, we can.
"Biblical creation origins can."
No, it can't, since we evidently do not follow the morality of the bible. If we did we would still have slavery, we would kill our kids for being unruly, and so one and so on. The morality we have now comes from a subjective society, not the bible.
Feralus69 10 months ago
@Feralus69 Adam and Eve are common ancestors. Your point about animals have a behavior code, I don't know about you but have you or anyone else in the evolutionary community seen or even heard of animals setting up a criminal justice system to achieve justice? And if we are just like them then why do we have one? Only in the Bible do we find these answers. You are created in Gods image so you know right from wrong and you are able to reason and rationalize. Look up Isaiah 1:18 see what God says.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"Adam and Eve are common ancestors"
Adam and eve never existed, humans never bottlenecked at two human individuals.
"heard of animals setting up a criminal justice system to achieve justice?"
In their own ways, chimps for example single out and shun individuals that go against the code of their society, as well as other animals that do this like lions. The complicated part of our justice system is solely based on our big brains and the intelligence it holds.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"And if we are just like them then why do we have one?"
Our brain size.
"Only in the Bible do we find these answers."
LOL, no we dont, we find the big non answer, and there are many many explanations from other religions as well. Saying the bible is the only place we find it is pretty dishonest.
"You are created in Gods image so you know right from wrong"
If I was created in gods image hes pretty imperfect and im not since im not a tyrannical maniac.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 It could also be pointed out that, according to Genesis1GodCreated's own beliefs, the claim that we are created in god's image has nothing to do with the knowledge of right and wrong. According to that story we are specifically created *without* this knowledge, and, in fact, it was the act of attaining this knowledge which led god to punish us for eternity. Of course, it is not shocking to such inconsistency from someone who clings to something that is so obviously flawed.
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@LeonhardEuler1 By you being created in Gods image doesn't mean God looks like a human. God created us to display certain qualities, like free will and knowing right from wrong. Adam chose to sin by making a chose to disobey God and eating what Eve had given him. And as Adam had a chose so do we, God doesn't want people to fallow him because they have to. I fallow God because i want to no one is forcing me. There is freedom in Jesus, believe me when i tell you there is freedom in Jesus.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
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@Genesis1GodCreated I never said that it did mean that. I was responding a quote from you that Feralus69 addressed, in which you said "You are created in Gods image so you know right from wrong"- there is a problem with the word "so" in that sentence, because the first statement does not follow from the second one, based on the claims of Christianity. If you happen to believe that man was created with the knowledge of good and evil, contrary to what ....
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... the bible says, then I apologize- I was under the impression that your beliefs were based on the teachings of the bible. As for the issue of freedom... I have a feeling that I would completely disagree, but you would have to elaborate more on what you mean by that before I could say anything for certain. And no, I'm afraid I won't believe you when you tell me- I will believe you when you can demonstrate it.
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@LeonhardEuler1 Yes my believes are based on the teachings of the Bible. Like i said God gave use a free will to chose him or deny him. We are not forced to accept what Jesus did on the cross, we can chose to accept what Jesus did on the cross. True Biblical Christianity is not like any other. For instance muslims and all these religions have a set of works they must do in order to go to heaven. Biblical Christianity says there is nothing you can do besides trust in Jesus as your savior.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@LeonhardEuler1 As far as demonstrating it to you it is one of those things you must experience yourself i can't experience it for you, i can tell you how my life has been changed and how i been set free if you want me to?
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated You can it if you like, but, as you said, that does not justify anything to anybody else, so it truly is nothing more than a story to me. I would be more interested in hearing your explanation as to how this experience justifies it to you, in particular, how you can be certain that it was something that genuinely occurred (as apposed to being a "trick," so to speak, of your mind), how you can possibly surmise the source of the experience, if it did occur, ....
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... and how you can be sure of the intentions of this source. The last one goes back to the old question (Euthyphro's Dilemma written about by Plato, suitably modernized; also, assuming that within your beliefs you claim the existence of an entity like the devil, which may be false, but the point would still stand in its absence)- how do you know god is good? Either you judge this god on a moral code which exists outside of god, in which case ...
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... we are on equal footing with god with respect to morality, and god is irrelevant to the discussion, as it is merely a messenger, or, alternatively, god is the author of the god which you are using to profess the goodness of god, in which case god is merely good because it says it is. The latter case begs the question (which ties it back to the part about the intentions of the source)- isn't that precisely what an evil deity intent on ....
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... fooling you would do? Isn't that a very good reason to be skeptical of the nature of this being who commands you to believe it is good based solely on its word? To me, the first situation represents the irrelevance of god in a universe with an absolute morality, and the second represents the height of gullibility. Of course, I'm not saying that it is wrong for you to feel justified by that experience (so long as you don't attempt to enact social or political ....
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... changes based on this belief without providing further justification, which is precisely why I am apposed to the ID movement)- I am merely interested as to how one can reconcile this apparent problems.
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"Look up Isaiah 1:18 see what God says."
Man wrote the bible, not god, not one thing in the bible can be verifiably linked to a deity at all. We know how the bible was put together and it was far from divine, in Isaiah that was man talking not a god.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 I understand where you are coming from and in your argument there was a lot of personal opinion. Can you prove that the bible was indeed writing by man or can you give your opinion?
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"Can you prove that the bible was indeed writing by man or can you give your opinion?"
Why yes, I certainly can, I can even give you who wrote most of the copies of the bible since no one knows who the authors actually were, of course everything has a certain point of opinion but I can also give my sources which are the evidence backing my opinions up. Can you prove that the bible was written by a deity? Can you show how any book not written by man verifiably?
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 NO other book contains the end from the beginning, in the book of Isaiah 46:10 God says “I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come.” We can observe this in Bible prophesy no other book has done this accurately; man unassisted can NOT make these kinds of things known with such stunning precision.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"NO other book contains the end from the beginning"
Like the vedas? And why would that matter how it's put together regarding the veracity of it?
"in the book of Isaiah 46:10 God says"
No, in the book of Isaiah man says that god says, still gotta prove a god exists then prove it actually said this before you can assert it honestly.
"We can observe this in Bible prophesy no other book has done this accurately"
Thats not even a prophecy, what does it predict accurately?
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"man unassisted can NOT make these kinds of things known with such stunning precision."
Lol, like what has it done with "stunning precision"? Oh you mean the self fulfilling prophecies or the ones made and then fulfilled within the same book? What prophecy specifically cannot be a product of man? I bet you could be quite the popular christian if you could find just one.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 If just 10 people today were picked who were from the same place, born around the same time, spoke the same language, and made about the same amount of money, and were asked to write on just one controversial topic, they would have trouble agreeing with each other. But the Bible stands alone in that it was written over a period of 1600 years by more than 40 writers from all walks of life.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"were asked to write on just one controversial topic, they would have trouble agreeing with each other."
Depends on the topic.
"But the Bible stands alone"
Lol no it doesn't, it's one of the most poorly written books of fiction mixed with non fiction ever written. It's full of errors, contradictions, atrocities it tries to justify and all out forgeries. And even if it was stand alone that would just come from centuries of editting, the fact it isnt by now says something.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 You said the Bible is "full of errors, contradictions, atrocities it tries to justify and all out forgeries." Can you provide an example where the Bible contradicts it self or where it's full of errors? The Bible isn't edited over and over it's translated once from the original languages (Greek and Hebrew).
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
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@Genesis1GodCreated search up "Bible, real facts" on youtube to see the errors, contradictions, atrocities etc.
coopmuch56 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"Can you provide an example where the Bible contradicts it self or where it's full of errors?"
Why sure, the geneologies of Jesus through Joseph, what was at the tomb when the women arrived, the way jesus come into that town on a donkey, the birth place of jesus (not the location but the type of place of birth), The announcement of Jesus' birth, etc, etc. Believe off the top of my head there's at least a 100.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 infidels.org donald morgan bible inconsistencies/contradictions google it. you'll find many many many problems.
jeromyrutter 6 months ago
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Also check out ProfMTH's videos on the contradictions, it cites the places in the bible and everything, quite interesting.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated You're an idiot. Religions are full of holes and explain nothing. They fail to explain why a guy who went batshit and started whipping people should be venerated as the Prince of Peace. And there is no Universal Code of Behavior. There is a code of behavior that's pretty uniform in Armpit, Nebraska, in the Bible Belt, until the local preacher is caught liking crystal meth and gay prostitutes more than the word of God!
Dracopol 10 months ago
@Dracopol Thats what you get with religion that's why I'm not religious. True Biblical Christianity is all about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Grace is free, God's grace is free there is nothing you or i can do to earn it. Never in the Bible do you ever see God repairing a heart, a new one is always given. Receive what God has for you today don’t wait any longer. God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble. When your ready humble yourself and ask Jesus into your heart.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated It's bullshit for you to say you're not religious but have "direct contact with God". You haven't seen God, your leaders haven't seen God. Jesus Christ didn't conk you on the head to make you believe, you were Being Told religious ideas from established religious cults. I will not believe or follow or emulate the silly, pathetic Evil Whippy Jesus Boy of John 2:15. A guy who thinks he's entitled to fashion a whip and use it on his fellow man is just a dangerous fanatic.
Dracopol 9 months ago
@Dracopol Do you understand the difference between a relationship and a religion? A relationship is knowing someone personally a religion is what you can do to know God. Like trying to work to know God by way of rituals, eating certain things, Praying 5 times a day, stuff like that True Biblical Christianity is different, there is nothing you can do as far as works go to reach out to God. True Biblical Christianity is God reaching down to man and that's what Jesus did for you 2000years ago.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated God did not hit you on the head personally. You have been deluded into believing God and Jesus stuff from an EXISTING RELIGION. You would not have heard about it otherwise. And don't tell me you picked it up from books independently and decided it was true. It has to have been INCULCATED into you, when your mind was as an unformed, defenseless child's (the preferred state of mind for con-men and for Jesus Christ too, he said so).
Dracopol 9 months ago
@Dracopol You must get this if you don't understand anything else i said. From your perspective it's crazy and false, but there is a personal relationship here, only if you would humble yourself and believe and trust in Jesus as your Savior. I wouldn't lie to you it's not a religion it's not about joining some church it's about knowing Jesus personally. I know it sounds crazy to you but Jesus can set you free from yourself and your circumstances I wouldn't be taking to you if it weren't true.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated You don't KNOW Jesus personally, you're deluding yourself that you do. Jesus doesn't talk to you, and didn't even talk to your religious leaders who set you up on this mental "fail". Belief in religion wasn't innate in you, you were CONNED by other people. And I don't need freedom from anything. I'm a smarter-than-average, wealthier-than-average man who has REAL things to occupy his one-and-only life with. So you don't have to believe in Jesus the Whipper any more.
Dracopol 9 months ago
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@Dracopol When you are ready just call on Jesus and you will be saved. You can't take your education or your money when you die none of that will matter. Just call on the name of Jesus, remember this ok, ill be praying for you man take care of yourself .
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
I have one simple question for you though;
Is god omniscient (all knowing, knowing future, past, everything at all) or do we have free will?
Because logically we cannot have both, if your god is omniscient then he knows what we will do before doing it which means everything we do is predestined meaning that we cannot change from what he knows we will do. If free will exists it must follow that there is nothing that is omniscient including your god.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Feralus69 Yes God is omnipotent he can see your thought life, your intentions behind every good or bad thing you do, He sees Everything! (Pslm 139:2 or 1 Chronicles 28:9). Just because God can scroll through time like we scroll through the pages of a book doesn't mean you don't have free will. God being omnipotent has nothing to do with you ultimately choosing Him or not. Just because you know your friend will steal your car doesn't mean he still doesn't have the chose to do so anymore.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"God being omnipotent has nothing to do with you ultimately choosing Him or not. "
I agree, but I didnt say omnipotent, I said omniscient. By definition if god is omniscient we do not have free will since he knows what we will do before we do it making everything predetermined. So which side of the fence are you on? Is god omniscient (all knowing) or do we have free will?
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated
"Just because God can scroll through time like we scroll through the pages of a book doesn't mean you don't have free will."
Actually yes, it does, it means our destiny is predetermined therefore we cannot step off the path already set for us. In other words we cannot do something that god does not know we will do, which effectively demolishes free will. The only way we can have free will is if god doesnt know what we will do which makes it not omniscient.
Feralus69 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated I have a question for you related to this issue- how do you know that god is the good one and the devil is the evil one? Either you can make the claim that we can determine god to be good by utilizing some sort of moral code which exists outside of god (in which case god is irrelevant to the discussion of morality, as he is a mere messenger and is not required to be moral), or you can make the claim that ...
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@LeonhardEuler1 I don't know what god you are talking about but if it's the God of the Bible. We know God is good and just because his Word declares it. Like satan deceived Eve in the garden so satan is deceiving many today to believe in evolution. Science is knowledge—that which can be demonstrated and observed and repeated. Evolution cannot be proved, or even tested; it can only be believed. Humble yourself trust in Jesus to save you from yourself and your sins.
Genesis1GodCreated 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated Oh, so you admit that you are foolish enough to subscribe to the second case- you believe god is good because god says so. How astoundingly gullible...... and why exactly are you talking me about evolution? I talked to you about the nature of the god you believe in and your response is that evolution is a lie.... you might want to try focusing next time you respond. And I find it hilarious that someone who claims to possess absolute truth, to understand the nature and ...
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... wishes of a being which you believe is far beyond yourself, and yet you tell me that I need to be humbled. I don't need to pawn off my "sins" on someone else (who according to your mythology is completely innocent)- I am not afraid to hold *myself* responsible for my actions.
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... god is good according to the moral guidelines which god itself authored (in which case god is good because he says he is good, which begs the question- isn't that precisely what an evil deity intent on tricking you into following it would do?). Your argument is nonsense (and, in fact, this line of reasoning parallels Euthyphro by Plato, dated roughly 400BC, so why your argument still exists is nothing short of astounding), and to claim ...
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
@Genesis1GodCreated ... that you know god is moral, and understand god's nature and desires is intellectually dishonest.
LeonhardEuler1 9 months ago
Science is knowledge—that which can be demonstrated and observed and repeated. Evolution cannot be proved, or even tested; it can only be believed.
Genesis1GodCreated 10 months ago
Who ever made this video is an idiot...
filmmakerhudson 10 months ago
This was an interesting review. When I heard it was about ID I knew it was going to a bit far fetched, but I enjoyed your opinions. Naturally, I'll be seeing the movie for myself very soon to make my own analysis. Thanks!!!!
Braveanglo 1 year ago
@Braveanglo "When I heard it was about ID I knew it was going to a bit far fetched," The movie or the review?
Schneboll 1 year ago
@Schneboll Sorry, that wasn't very clear...I meant the movie.
Braveanglo 1 year ago
Despite your attempt to change the subject, you've made it clear that you're a fool.
jib1000 1 year ago
Oh, this is fucking awesome.
metoomitcheezy 1 year ago
You are making a lot of accusations but not making any kind of valid argument. It's just ranting.
You sound like, too much of a fan boy for some cause. I stopped watching at 2 mins.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4 Just like you do in science class, eh?
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 Trying to counter point with a personal remark? You lose kid.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4 Which is all you did. Obviously you know there are facts in this video, well maybe you don't cause you didn't even watch the whole thing.
Way to act like you know what you're talking about.
You lose.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 I made a comment on your video. I gave my opinion on what impression it gave me. I only used the word "You" because I knew you had to be the one talking in the video.
'Obviously' whatever you say in this video is your opinion, you can't say "I alone know the facts."
The fact I didn't watch the whole thing means that just maybe, your intro needs work. Don't blame someone for using propaganda tactics when you are doing the same thing with that red lettering.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4 Are you too stupid to realize that the person who posted this video's name is "neotropic9"? I did NOT post this video, i didn't make it, i just watched it. Unlike you i usually watch the entirety of something before i criticize it. You're inability to read, write, or use grammar leads me to believe that you're a fuckwit, and i'm sure your response to this post will help prove that.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 Oh snap. Well since you are defending nothing, that just makes you a prick.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4Wow, i don't even know what to say, i think it was the "oh snap" that put me in my place. I promise i won't point out how ignorant stupid people are, i promise. What a brilliantly logical argument.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 No really--- you're a prick. You just comment on my 2 month old comment and... ya.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4 Oh, i'm sorry i didn't know people were excused for being totally fucking stupid after 2 months.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 Ya, well you can go ahead and keep getting mad on the comment I made back then.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4 Not mad at all, just think its funny that a ignorant fuck thinks its smart to criticize a video they couldn't even take the time to watch. Grow up little man, and get an education while you're at it.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 Lol, no... you're mad. You're so angry you have to swear and let me know what you think about me because you are so mad. Their is nothing you can say --- you're nobody to me.
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
@TheCreatorOf4 Wow, telling me what i think huh? Cool, i'd expect that from someone who can't even read.
jib1000 1 year ago
@jib1000 You might discover in the future that your user name is quite overlook-able. Oh, but from what I see on your homepage... some people do know you! Like I said, you are a prick... oh wait, no, you are proud to call yourself a Troll, right? Well... do you have any more "fucks" to say?
TheCreatorOf4 1 year ago
I think you re just scare of a good debate.
gbasp10 1 year ago
@gbasp10 There's never a good debate between evolutionists and ID/creationists. Its always a landslide.
jib1000 1 year ago
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Exodus 21:17, KJV:
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."
qwertypoiu4321 1 year ago
your ranting is boring. I would rather listen to this Ben Stein as he sounds a lot more intelligent than you
G5macintosh 1 year ago
ben stein reminds me of droopy the dog
Makdub 1 year ago
Is there any such thing as an atheist who actually bothers to research the opposing view? Every time I hear atheists (the 'four horsemen' included) talk, it's always a total misrepresentation and ignorance of Christianity. At least I read Dawkins and Hitchens before deciding they're jackasses - you atheists who are spoon-fed your beliefs and talking points by these con artists might want to actually read some Augustine, or some CS Lewis, or SOMETHING so you don't look like such fools.
ModerateGuy738 1 year ago
@ModerateGuy738 me and the easterbunny is gonna do a interview with jesus tomorrow and his gonna tell us everything.i cant wait for it.
SvendsenAtheist 1 year ago
@ModerateGuy738 I read the bible, I read the koran, all bullshit, this is 12 yrs of catholic school talking here.
dmtirino 1 year ago
@dmtirino
12 years? blehhh, I feel for you man lol.
fuzzywuzzy18 1 year ago
@ModerateGuy738 read your text again and see the hipocrisy. if anyone is spoon-fed with beliefs it is religious people. Most children have to go church and learn the ways of christianity before they can tell truth from false. I know, I was one of them. I had to go to a catholic school and was told of the miraculous work of God.
After learning about evolution, i knew the bible couldn't be true. You can't read the origin of species and deny the evidence that is in it.
niels977 1 year ago 2
If morality comes from monkeys and human society then what are you complaining about? all is fair in love and war.
Abiogenesis and evolution go hand in hand if you actually think about it. if we evolved that implies that there is no god and that implies we came from slime for no reason. Either you are for or against intelligent design. You my friend are the ignorant one. They havnt defeated it at all. We havnt lost a single battle. You are like an insane man who think he rules the world.
Gaaminator 1 year ago
This video is a failure.
JerseyMarine311 1 year ago
@JerseyMarine311 why?
calebhagancaleb 1 year ago
@JerseyMarine311 and how?
calebhagancaleb 1 year ago
Liberals are the POLAR OPPOSITE of their self-styled image of compassion, but are the LOWEST and base viciousness and are evil and degenerate people!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
There IS BLATANT religious discrimination going on Mr. Narrator! I a Christian school DARED cast out a gay teacher, there would be a FUCKING FIRESTORM from the likes of this LIBERAL narrator and his ilk! So, discrimination is fine and dandy against ANYONE who makes even a PASSING possibility of intelligent design? The coming elections are going to be the PUBLIC response of NAKED liberalism and socialist teachings and indoctrination! The people are FED UP with socialism/liberalism/Darwinism!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman Christians are befuddled by developments in society, and have to imagine external enemies and conclude they are being persecuted, as their leaders are exposed by ever-more advanced electronic media, the prevalence of cameras everywhere, and they are caught committing adultery or even going gay.
Christianity is not being persecuted. It's collapsing all by itself.
Dracopol 1 year ago
I am WATCHING this movie and I had to pause it to address what I see as a NAKED ATTACK by frankly a bunch of Darwinist assholes! Just MENTIONING "creationism" is leading a LOT of intelligent scientific people to LOSE their livelihoods! These colleges SHOUT TO THE HEAVENS, "academic freedom" then HARSHLY punish people unless they BOW and KISS THE FEET of Darwinism! This is ANOTHER example of LIBERAL HYPOCRISY! Darwinism has become a CULT and you MUST drink the amino acid soup koolade, or ELSE!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman Academics are hardly "free" to blatantly ignore the massive amounts of evidence accumulated over 150 years for the position of Evolution. There are no other contenders.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol The "evidence of evolution" isn't even as good as the "if the glove don't fit, you must acquit" that came in the OJ Simpson trial! If the composition of the double helix strand of DNA fails to show you it was CREATED, then it is YOU with the problem!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman Look, fool, do YOU have a science degree? Because I do. Science is not a democracy. Your brains are your passport. You're like those idiots who claim there's a "controversy" about global warming, when all scientists are in agreement. Scientists just can't defend themselves. Just for once they ought to retain a new weapons development, not give it to the U.S. Army, and use it to defend the reputation of science itself. A private Science Army why not?
Dracopol 1 year ago
@intelligentlman The scientists you claim are "losing their jobs" are not intelligent, and they are not true scientists. They cling to religious beliefs despite the science, expanded instruments, and expanded powers of observation telling them otherwise. Surely you don't want to repeat the drama of Galileo, being persecuted for telling the embarrassing truth that goes against the Bible, namely, the Earth goes around the Sun?
Dracopol 1 year ago
If you were chosen to have faith, you would understand. why don't you read the bible before you call it "BULL SHIT" Mr. Atheist. You should not conclude your story until you know the TRUTH. ETERNITY is a long time. For your sake you wish you are right, but unfortunately, you're not.
MorleyEntertainer 1 year ago
@MorleyEntertainer We have the Bible in an entertaining format on skepticsannotatedbible(dot)com . Every single line of the Bible -- hyperlinked to what's wrong with it. Ever read THAT?!
By the way, how is your brain going to store all the memories of an infinite life when you do everything right and you become God's little pet? Even my camera with 10 32-gigabyte chips fills up after about seven or eight years! Think about it!
Dracopol 1 year ago
@MorleyEntertainer
i fully support encouraging the reading of the bible. it's exactly how myself and many others lost their faith. ^,^
pyr666 1 year ago
When in doubt attack the messenger.
progressfabbrian 1 year ago
Thank “God” I'm an atheist.
I wouldn't want to be a Christian, all you have to do is look at their comments to see they are some of the most hate filled and nasty people you could ever have the misfortune to meet.
MarcusCardiff 1 year ago
@MarcusCardiff Thank Jehovah God I'm a Christian, otherwise I would be stuck having faith in something REALLY foolish, like believing a "stuff making explosion" made everything! No one was THERE to witness this so-called "stuff making explosion" form the basis of the world we now live in, but I'm to believe THAT? But somehow believing in God is somehow a stretch? Atheists REALLY downplay Jehovah's existence because many want to live sexually hedonistic lifestyles WITHOUT guilt!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman Oh I think Atheists stand on the right side of reasonable. Especially since you revealed yourself as a Jehovah's Witness, whose founder was tried and convicted of fraud for selling "miracle wheat"...and whose second leader was chastised for two counts of adultery.
If you had a head for science, the scientists would patiently educate you for 10 or 12 years and you'd understand how stuff can come from nothng. Sure beats the Talking Donkey!...(cont'd.)
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol The King James Bible was around LONG before the "Jehovah's Witnesses" were, and the verse in the Bible that contain His RIGHTFUL name were also there! What, the false pudgy god Buddha can have a proper name but NOT the True God of all creation, Jehovah?
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman You are not educated. The name "Jehovah" is a fabrication. They took the vowel-less Hebrew hint, where God coyly tells people his name is YHVH, and added the vowel-sounds of "Adonai" backwards. That's where Yehovah or Jehovah ultimately comes from, it's a fabrication, a pastiche.
As for Buddha, again you're uneducated. Buddhists don't consider Buddha a god, and they even point to the verse where he said he's fallible, you don't necessarily have to believe what he says!
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol Let me weigh this fairly: amino acid soup VS talking donkey! Let's look at the talking donkey; there was Mr. Ed and Eddie Murphy in Shrek as the talking donkey, while your amino acid soup, which MEDIOCRE scientists TRIED to charge with electricity to make it LIVE! But somehow, Let me stop because the Ivy league eggheads are LOSING this battle like the Washington Senators lose to the Harlem Globe Trotters! I had NO IDEAL Ivy League scientists were so VAPID!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman The scientists have made artificial life now, from totally inanimate materials. How now, brown cow? What excuse will you give? You still can't offer anything better than science and can't credibly point to fantasy TV shows as if they are reality.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol PS: I KNOW Mr. Ed was a horse! Just quit while you're BEHIND!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman ...(cont'd.) It used to be the Christian types argued that we were little worms who couldn't possibly understand God or be like him. "Can you fly through the air?!" they said. "Can you create life?" Well, we beat God's speed-record in the air in 1947 with Chuck Yeager ("like lightning seen in the east, and is heard in the west") and we created life in this century! So what are you silly Christians going to come up with next for false reasoning?
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol
"So what are you silly Christians going to come up with next for false reasoning?"
That false reasoning of theirs could go anywhere, It would take a mad man to even guess.
MarcusCardiff 1 year ago
@MarcusCardiff I have FAITH and I have SEEN Jehovah God at work, oh and also I see the sheer complexity of science and I KNOW science was created and it took a VERY INTELLIGENT and POWERFUL Person to make it, more power than the creator of Harry Potter could EVER imagine!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@Dracopol Hmmm, is THERE a verse in the Bible that says, "thou shalt not break the sound barrier?" Hmmm? That rational is even WEAKER than the amino acid soup, and that was PATHETIC! The complexity of life being generated from a weird amino acid soup, damn, hey dude, I have a NICE bridge to sell you in New York City! Well, you fell for Darwin's snake oil, so obviously you will fall for ANYTHING!
intelligentlman 1 year ago
@intelligentlman The writers of the Bible were limited men, primitive shepherds, not God-inspired, and when they wanted a metaphor for the speed of God they picked the speed of sound.
And you tell me what can be weaker than stories of talking snakes and donkeys? Do snakes and donkeys talk? No! So you can nix the Bible scientifically right there.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@intelligentlman Atheists want to live ADULT LIVES without inherited fairy-tales encumbering their existence. Atheists are more moral than Christians, who populate the prisons more than Atheists do. They invented universal police-forces and universal-health care and secular charities. Before that, Christians only donated for other Christians, never for Jews, and for heathens only to convert them. Christianity is a great racket, because the mark keeps blaming HIMSELF for product-failure.
Dracopol 1 year ago
@Dracopol
1. Jesus Christ fulfills o-v-e-r 200 Old Testament Messianic Prophecies ( Micah 5:2; etc.) Google Messianic Prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.
2. Jesus Christ makes 30 “I AM” statements in the Gospel of John.
Ex: “… for unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins.” (John 8:24)
Check the Gospel of John in the New Testament.
3. 17 Secular sources confirm that Jesus Christ walked the earth (Celsus, Tacitus, Lucian, etc.) Google Secular sources for Jesus.
GsliMaIiy 10 months ago
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We can make a statement on our money.
You can use an exacto knife or razor to easily cut the word "GOD" out of money.
For an even easier solution, carry a sharpie marker with you and mark out "GOD" on all the bills you come in contact with.
judoyodan 1 year ago
lies or no lies, the guy needs a proper pair of shoes. honestly, you think a grown man would have the fashion sense to know that you don't wear sneakers with suits
Liddyliscious 1 year ago
@Liddyliscious I'll be dollars to doughnuts that you don't even own a suit. And I don't mean a swimsuit
LesterMartin 1 year ago
Ben Stein's argument isn't unlike a neo-Nazi movement proclaiming that it's exclusion from politics is the result of a lack of tolerance from society.
GluttonForSex 1 year ago
darwinism is for the simple minded and radical fascist...
This movie is great, it brings out the dark side of science!
cyberworksstudio 1 year ago
@cyberworksstudio Poor man.
GluttonForSex 1 year ago
( ̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅[̲̅ ̲̅]̲̅:̲̅:̲̅:̲̅ ) Religion attempts to explain metaphysics. "Atheism" is designed to subjugate Man by denying his incomparable value. It spawns Darwinism.
SufferInJuly 1 year ago
@SufferInJuly
Metaphysics = supernatural = fantasy
Atheism NOT Darwinism and Atheism=Logical default
types10000 1 year ago
unholy adj : PROFANE, WICKED 2 a : violating accepted civil or social standards : CORRUPT, IMMORAL [Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, 1967]
SufferInJuly 1 year ago
Treaties & edicts that violate the Constitution merely have the color of law. The U.S. wasn't conceived as an empire. The Constitution is the Law of the Land, that land being the United States of America.
SufferInJuly 1 year ago
The Universe was born from a confluence of gases, according to the orthodoxy of "atheism." This explains, in part, as to why "atheists" shun libraries.
SufferInJuly 1 year ago
@SufferInJuly ..."what"?
ShipPagan1 1 year ago
@SufferInJuly
"The Universe was born from a confluence of gases, " - Atheism is simply the position that a God does not exist, the title of atheist does not imply any position on the origin of the universe.
why would atheists dislike libraries? that seems more like a religious person...statistics have already revealed that on average theists are not as smart as atheists.
types10000 1 year ago
@SufferInJuly
"The Universe was born from a confluence of gases" - why would they think this?
the big bang theory starts with a singularity.
types10000 1 year ago
yeah this vid is so true!!
momopup01 1 year ago
Indoctrination sure, well its about time ID pushed to indoctrinate the people then, fair is fair.. As for half a brain, again rudeness does not become you. Serious harm to science, damaging, then so be it, people need to check things out and not assume everyone with letters is right. but not so damaging as Lucy was, now there was a hoax. I like the footprints of dinosaurs with mans print embedded.
The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. If you deny God then the fiery furnace awaits you.
laurianfudge 1 year ago
@laurianfudge What if we don't believe in your god, but rather different gods or no gods at all? We won't see anything but empty words in your threat of eternal damnation, just as you wouldn't see any threat of going to Pastafarian Hell, because you don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster like I do.
lostship47 1 year ago
Oh, so propoganda media is only for scientists? We get enough billions/millions of years stuffed into the media so much so the interlectuals believe it. Your language leaves much to desire, is that how educated people speak? Rude and derogatory language lowers respect for your comments. Have YOU read the BIBLE? every word in every chapter? I doubt it, so dont expect us to read your bible of your faith then.
laurianfudge 1 year ago
@laurianfudge first: intellectual*
Second: The bible is pathetic and contradictory when you don't assume that it is the perfect word of god. I'll read anything that isn't rediculous, but i barely got halfway through the bible before coming to the conclusion that it is obviously a bronze-age myth novel. Science is not faith, you tool. Faith requires belief witout or despite evidence. Science is studying and improving on what we know to be true through evidence.
metalsaw666 1 year ago
@laurianfudge
your comments on here have been a complete utter joke.
types10000 1 year ago
People using words they do not understand; "tendentious crap" makes absolutely no sense.
ravelmaster 2 years ago
ad hominem
FastJohnnyNardGard 1 year ago
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cydy84 2 years ago
are u kidding me, ben stein is a republican, of course he's going to lie, hes a greedy, narrow minded piece of crap.
pcorn915 2 years ago
Ben Stein. Another zionist implant undermining the integrity of our country.
suckbar69 2 years ago
neotropic9, show your sources or it didn't happen.
vladnuke 2 years ago
EXPELLED was certainly a piece of tendentious crap, using rhetorical feints but not disguising the fact that Creationists don't have a body of real biological research to match 140 years of scientific journal articles. They're just too lazy to equal that amount of effort.
To cleanse the palate, go watch the upcoming movie which is a biography of Darwin, named CREATION. It should highlight that Darwin was not an evil schemer; in fact he was initially Christian and torn by what he found.
Dracopol 2 years ago
The one thing you can tell about a lying evolutionist is the fact that every time you question their science, their only response in to start multiple religious bashing arguments.
Hey folks how about for once you engage in real scientific debate. If some one asks you a scientific question, respond with the facts since you claim science to be your truth.
It is obvious in the multiple posts here that there are precious few who actually understand the crap they attempt to blindly defend.
karamarouge 2 years ago
Ridiculous. Attacks and rhetorical feints by creationists have all been covered in talkorigins(dot)org . One section even shows that, before you pin your faith in an Intelligent Design poster-boy or other, make sure their degrees were NOT from a diploma-mill. A lot of these "eminent scientists" were caught with their pants down and you can read it on talkorigins in their FAQ by searching for "suspicious Creationist credentials".
Dracopol 2 years ago
An article in SCIENCE in 1985 *scientifically* examined claims that Creationists were having their point of view systematically discriminated against. In a survey of 150,000 articles in biology journals over 3 years, only 18 talked about Creationism, mostly only remarking about its apparition, not successfully defending its ideas. Then they asked editors were there any submissions and were they being excluded (for whatever reason)?.... (continued...)
Dracopol 2 years ago
...(cont'd.) The editors replied that there were only something like 29 submissions, hardly enough for a scientific movement much less a "revolution". They were from people who did have science and technology degrees but whose prior submissions were in various fields in and out of biology. The editors rejected these articles with comments like "high-school theme quality", "fails to define terms", "fails to acknowledge large body of literature on a matter", "tendentious", etc...
Dracopol 2 years ago
I am so glad that we can have this movie out there....I am so tired of fascist type liberals are are a cancer on the scientific community. This is so similar to what is going on with Copenhagen and climate science. The scientific community has been BULLIED into being told the discussion is over. Science is always evolving and is never DECIDED entirely. Everything is up for further digging, discussion, testing, etc.
CRMChicago 2 years ago
@CRMChicago
perhaps so, though intelligent design FAILED all testabilities
thegoochieguy 2 years ago
The movie is utter crap and doesn't present one fact that either disproves evolutions or supports ID, besides "it's so complicated, it can't be random" line, there is nothing any merit in the whole movie
MongoloidBabyUSA 2 years ago
There are always situations where people may mistake randomly developed things for complex "created" things. Like the "beach rock" off Bermuda. People were finding "stone roads" circling an island, never leading to the interior but always offshore. One guy said Atlanteans/aliens built them! In fact the bedrock cracked, first lengthwise then perpendicular, and sand and grit filled in the cracks slowly and it looked like mortar. Complex looking, but not created!
Dracopol 2 years ago
I suppose this could also explain mt rushmore...(seriously) wind erosion along with rock exfoliation and mountain goat activity could totally build something like that over millions of years.
karamarouge 2 years ago
If Mt. Rushmore erodes, and natural formations like that elephant-shaped rock elsewhere in the world stays the same, it will be very difficult indeed to say what is "created' and what developed naturally. Let the scientists do the thinking about that, and set some clear rules and criteria to follow to determine what is man-made. Especially asking all the men in the world if they made it, and if they all say "no" then it's natural. Too bad this God the religios scream about has no proof to it.
Dracopol 2 years ago