that wasnt a fight. that was a bloke jumping another bloke and just as the other bloke has got his wits and gets the attacker off, the fight is cancelled. awesome!
Its not effective cuz it aint direct of what iver seen even though they say they are. That video is movement on movement instead move to hit and hit with a real blow not some crazy twisted finger fist. I fought and seen many WC guys. Not one I lost too and not one impressed me. Why? Cuz I try to keep it simple. I move to hit, I defend to Counter and Hit, I intercept to HIt. Nothing special at all. I will check out the link you send me
Emin suggest he has the been the victor of 300 street fights! When one takes into consideration that individuals such as, Mike Tyson, Joe Louis, and Muhammad Ali lost fights with rules, it would seem ridiculous to suggest that an individual could be victories in hundreds of fights without rules. Anyone who fights enough will enviably lose, its a matter of probabilities.
@58dragonmist It obviously didn't kill WC. WC is alive and well. But it certainly dented its image quite a lot when two of its great masters act and fight like school kids in an art requring discipline and respect. It's like what would have happened if some punk kid played street ball with a cocky Jordan, cheated & beat MJ
WC is a good base to be a good fighter but certainly not complete. It's like a painting palette - I'd choose my "black+white" base to be WC but my palette is still incomplete
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Good analogy at the end. WC can give you a good foundation in hand techniques, as it did to Bruce Lee. But the system is quite limited with no high kicks, ground work, wrestling and such per sae. That is why Bruce, who knew those things could be effective and necessary, had to go outside his art to become a much more complete fighter. But he got as powerful and deadly as he did because of what he learning from wing chun and gung-fu in general.
@Gungfuman77 Wing Chun is a waste of time and you can it clearly in this video. This people are so called masters who teach and train for years and years. And now we see a real fight between these so called masters. The masters turned into little schoolgirls who have a catfight. They were both stuck in not doing anything cuz they didnt knew how to fight and how to finish. Its pathetic. This is why Bruce threw WC away. At the end of Bruce s life there was no WC, its all made up.
@minasz Unfortunately as it stands today, you are essentially correct. This has happened to just about all Asian arts because the fighting elements of the arts were removed and the real Masters killed or run out of the country since 1949 and the cultural revolution. Mao and others leaders know that all successful revolts in China started when the martial artists united. So they sought to remove the actual fighting parts of the training while keeping the art and form...it worked.
@minasz There was still some skill left in BL's time and he got the last part of that training, but had to add way more. The system I learned was from a Very old Grandmaster who is one of the few left alive who got the old style training for decades before the revolution. That's one reason he came to the US to teach starting in 67..fortunately.
Here is a french documentary showing some old sparring at this school from the 70's.
@Gungfuman77 No dude. There is nothing leftin in BL way of fighting. He abonded WC cuz for the simple reason. It doenst work and its a waste of time. Read BL Tao of JKD, there is nothing that is pointing to WC. His movies also dont reminds you of WC. BL believed in the way of fighting with simple and direct techniques. At the end BL trained Boxing and some grappling likes Judo with Gene Labelle and some Jiu Jiutsu and offcourse the philipino wayes with Danny Inosanto. WC no way!
@minasz There was nothing left in his external fighting by apperance, but you can't just ababdon your entire foundation at willl....it stays with you and comes out in a real fight. I see several elements of the forms he learned, the hand techniques, wrist movements and the like from WC in his fighting. As you get to higher levels, your fighting in gung-fu naturally has less and less foundation as you adapt it to your own personality and style that suits you, but the foundation never goes
@Gungfuman77 Wich fighting you R talking about then. If you check out BL at his last and at his peak there was no WC stance or movement. Enter the Dragon pak sao stuff was only for movie cuz it looked flashy. Nobody fights like that. The other fighting scenes in Enter the Dragon and Game of Death, Fist of Fury you see more a kickboxer than a WC man. But hey I see that you R a WC guy and you will stick to what you ve been doing trough the years. And about that video you send me. Naa
@minasz Funny hoiw so many people say negative things about the videos and real gung-fu but when they encounter it they're utterly blown away by it's effectiveness. That's because most of the techniques effectiveness is subtle and not easily visible even to other MA. I've encountered that with boxers, karate men, wrestlers, Aikdo men, JiuJitsu men and others including street fighters. Perhaps this one will be a bit better. This is all toned WAY down for the crowd.
@minasz He certainly focused on the other arts much more later on, but his grappling, some striking like the back fist focus, in fighting and such and especially his punching power, 1 inch punch training and such are all from his gung-fu training in WC. We've had guys who even trained in karate for just a year or so, learned gung-fu for ten years like mad, but still had certain elements the karate training come out when the fought someone on a high level or in a real fight, etc.
@Gungfuman77 Dude, im not hating! One inch stuff is only crap, fantasy shots. Why even bother. Bruce Lee showed off when he still did WC. After he quite the WC cuz it wasnt working he started to focus on his boxing skill, cuz he allready was a good boxer. Fixed his JKD punch aka Demsey, moved like ali, Checked and make notes from savate and Muay Thai and did grappling training with Gene Labelle and Inosanto Kali and Silat stuff. He trained with some Pro Karate people ect. No WC.
@minasz 1 inch punch is more of a demo, but having that capacity simply shows the real power one is able to attain with right training. In very close quarters fighting, it can and does work though. Yes, he certainly fights far more like a kickboxer or karate man than a traditional WC or even gung-fu man. I'm not a WC man by the way, but gung-fu based in Shaolin, hung-gar and such. Most of the advanced students consider WC to be "crap", sorry to any WC practitioners reading this.
QUE FACIL ES PEGARLE A UN VIEJO, LO QUE NO ES FACIL ES HACERLO CON LO QUE VENDES, TERMINA HACIENDO JUDO. MENUDO ROLLO ESTOS DEL WT, VENDEN HUMO NO COMPITEN EN NADA Y HABLAN MUCHO, SE CONOCE AL PAJARO POR LA CAGADA.
@yokcocuk Not really. I practice Wing Chun and when I first saw Ip Man, I was amazed about how Donnie Yen's performance of Wing Chun was. Granted it was exaggerated at times, but Donnie Yen's actually fighting style was very true to Wing Chun, at least in principle and technique.
the vid has been heavily edited. william cheung wanted a one on one with emin boztepe but he refused quoting from his many lists of excuses not to fight. he does not like facing up to people he likes to attack from behind otherwise he wont do anything.
Wing Chun is either good and works for actual self defense scenarios or it does not. In this video as wing chun is applied by the master William Cheung, wing chun does not look effective, nor does the attack by Emin very effective. This example is how a real fight/attack starts. Real fights don't start with 2 guys separated by a referee waiting for the "go" signal. When the masters can't even make it work, well guess how it's gonna work for a non-master in the face of a real attack.
Megacopyman, many a MMA person would easily beat Boztepe in a real fight. He ducked out of fights with Bas Rutten, and was challenged by Blumming students too. As for pure WC/WT people few could beat Boztepe, as in they stuck to their style when fighting him; there are very few really good fighters in Wing Chun/WT. You don't see a rush of people challenging him though. His WT is at least more practical than Kernspecht/Ting Or Cheung's style. He came from K./Ting of course but improved it.
If people want to do Wing Chun or Wing Tsun fine but relying just on it for a real street fight is foolish. Any good MMA guy will beat the crap out of any Wing Chun or WT fighter - they train harder / better conditioned / fight & spar hard against resisting opponents. Wing Chun people do lots of nice drills with people not really trying to hurt them, Chi Sao, etc but very little all out fighting! They are deluded thinking what they do is very street effective.
I just want to point out that neither of these guys, when this video was shot, were "masters".
Boztepe was a newbie with a wrestling background. Back then, nobody regarded him as a "master"...he was just a thug (still is).
& William Cheung's a big fraud. He is to WC what Ashida Kim is to ninjutsu. Cheung had ~3 years of WC as a teenager then moved to Australia. Aside from that basic training, he made up his own system in isolation.
Sometimes, the martial arts community seems more like a bunch of narcissistic ladyboys, all fighting for the most spotlight. They are all really good at poledancing, but their immature childish behavior completely destroy the purpose of an otherwise honerable activity. Sometimes I think Martial arts should be regulated, just for that. Seriously - whom want potentail deadly people with that mindset to walk the streets?
For the record Boztepe is NOT a Wing Chun Master and never ever will be, but, what he is, is a disgrace and will go down in history as Wing Chun's greatest embarrassment.
You are a fu__g FOO_ cungle! what ground fighting and wrestling are you talking about? Emin ambushed William Cheung but still didn't manage to inflict any damage! LOL. he fights like a girl. i can't believe he claimed to have won 300 fights! i can't understand why people believe in that shi_ he's claiming! LOL. can't even fight an old man on the ground! LOL
Yeah, Emin's a thug & a liar. And William Cheung is also a liar...an arrogant egomaniacal liar. Cheung is the guy who said he'd beat "anyone", "anytime", "anywhere". After all the shit Cheung talked about how badass he was (and man...he talked sooo much shit), he had no excuses whatsoever for anything less than totally curbstomping Boztepe, which he failed to do. As for "ambush"-did Emin jump out of the shadows like a ninja? No. Cheung knew he was there & he knew why. No excuse.
Grappling and taking someone to the ground is useful if it's one on one, but if you find yourself against two or more, then the ground is the last place you want to be. Granted you have one pinned, but his/her friends will gladly take the opportunity to start kicking and stomping you. Also, another downside of grappling in a street fight is the presence of a weapon. If the person you have down has a knife in their pocket, it's a short trip from tip to ribs.
well a grapler will always have the advantage whne he is fighting with rules when you are out in streets with no rules its kind of diff to try and grab him when he can kick your balls(outs)or put his finger on your eyes!!
if I might have ever been doing Wing Chun... after watching this I would never admit it ! not when these 2 are being called "MASTERS"... this is damn embarrassing for so many reasons !
The only people who would possibly stick up for "Wing Chun" after seeing this, are people who practice it, and don't want to feel like morons for wasting their time. Any MMA guy who is somewhat decent would kill these two, in a matter of minutes. That's just plain fact.
And to all those who said that BJJ is this,that...well yes it is a very nice martial art until you come to the ground and its life or death: your opponent can bite you, or lets say you go for a triangle, he can smash your balls. This is where rolling on the ground becomes bad.same goes for multiple opponents. Tho i do wish that nobody comes to a situation where u need to bite or kick the groin or anything else.
@markomak1 dude, did you even SEE the first UFCs ? they used bitting, hair pulling, groin kicking, almost ANYTHING except eye gouging. oh yeah, they didn't fight on concrete or molten lava... so what ? still I saw a guy getting ko'ed and with whole body spasms after being thrown to that floor. just watch them, u'll see that in a one on one unarmed fight, a grappler has the upper-hand all the time. if u don't see that, that is just cuz u dont WANT to see it...
@markomak1 heh, check out kimo vs royce in UFC 3 I think. kimo starts bitting royce, royce tells the ref, the ref says "I can't do shit" than royce opens a can of whoop-ass on kimo and also never lets go of his hair. I swear to god, if those UFC (more than those of today) weren't the closest thing (sometimes even beyond) a real fight, I don't know what is... also: it's really hard to bite someone and kill them with that, if u are human. what would you bite and how ? no fangs, no snot...
@markomak1 I told you, UFC 3 kimo vs gracie, it's been uploaded high quality recently ! at least I hope so... or look up the reviews, if u don't trust me. dude, if u ever fought somebody on life or death stakes you would know that bitting someone's carotid artery is not exactly easy, unless u have a protrudint face :D like a werewolf. otherwise bitting is just painful and potentially infectious but u can't get enough blood to run out fast enough to kill somebody with that.
@markomak1 shit, u're right about that one! NOBODY is invincible, that's for sure! but there is a style that has been addopted by almost every self respecting mma fighter today, and that's for a reason...
@yulaw3 didn't think u were being a dick. still, how do you explain what happened in the first UFCs, my friend ? they were dominated BY FAR by a smaller than average guy who couldn't and to this day can't either punch or kick very well. sure, if a pure grappler moronically chooses to trade punches/kicks with a striker, he's gonna get fucked up. but WHY should that be the case ? I've been in street fights and I know that, as a striker, it's hard to keep the perfect distance against a grappler.
@yulaw3 IMHO in the old "grappler vs striker" debate, the striker has a MUCH more dificult time keeping the optimal distance in order to hit but not to get hit back/taken down, whereas the grappler only has to CLOSE the distance, which is much easier. that's why I think that, given the same level of exp., a grappler will always have the advantage.
Emin proved that he is a far from skilled prick, being unable to land a single punch, and GM Cheung well...he didn't even have 1 bruise on him...doesn't that say enough?
Boztepe is nothing more than a disrespectful meathead. Watch the full version of this video and you'll nothing more than him and his cronies 'crashing' a class and then having his ass handed to him...not to mention the underhanded tactics of his students......prick !!!
2 so called masters? When it got real this looked like a schoolfight between 10 year olds. Where is the groundgame?? Thats why I dont believe in Style.
Regardless of what this video says about their fighting skills ( especially on the ground ) you still have to pay respect where it is due. William Cheung and Emin Boztepe are excellent instructors of the Traditional WC system.
William Choung made a mistake by entering the fight. He had to explain to boztepe the purpose of WC, which boztepe showed he don`t know anything about it.Boztepe made a mistake because he has to show respect to his fellow mates by not provoking and disrespect them. WC ancient masters were right to pass the skill to the chosen ones but William Cheung lacks the understanding of the philosophy of WC.Bruce Lee would`ve been a better choice.Too bad.
Let`s look at the historical fact of WC.It was created basically to deliver "maximum damage with minimum effort".It`s obvious that this style was not perfected for limited use, like karate, taekwondo etc. It`s not suited for competition but life - death situations. WC technique implies the use of all possible means to achieve the defeat of the opponent and that includes punching vital body sections.We are all aware what could happen if these two started with heavy artillery - death.
I'm fascinated by the way traditional martial arts students fall into a cult-like trance, and develop blindness and irrational thinking about their "system." Look... all you practitioners of kung fu, aikido, wing chun, Karate, etc... please just accept that your system is more of a lifestyle/philosophy than a realistic fighting method. Stop deluding yourselves. Drink your tea, and meditate, and do your forms/katas. But please carry an expandable baton if you want to actually win any fights.
Any martial artist opens him or herself up to defeat when they expect there style or system to win. Styles and systems do not fight. Men and women fight. The style or system is a training method just like using a skipping rope or hitting the heavy bag. It is supposed to help the fighter improve certain things. If you place all your faith in Wing Chun only. You as the fighter have left out preparation for fighting on the ground. Styles and systems are just preparation thats all they are.
That is classic! It's funny how you can find 1000's of videos of wrestling/Muay Thai/Bjj/boxing/judo actually working in full on contact fights but not wing chun. Two masters of the wing chun and they scrap like school girls.
Big age difference here...plus teaching all the time your reflexes are not that great...that's what you get for giving your time to others all over the world...challenges!
Emin attacked William from behind without warning. When William got up and wanted to fight on, he was stopped by Emin's accomplices. The recording was made. Job done! It was all planned out, to serve as an advertisement for EWTO organization! The Fight was in Germany.
@pornpan96 Emin Boztepe challenged Royce Gracie to a match back in '94. Royce said: "I'll make it easier for you, I'll fight you at your studio in fron of your own students". Boztepe declined!!
@smoothkiller777 think this video shows how silly the fake masters are. nothing but myths and stories about how good they are. same goes for bruce lee
if you want to name the best street fighter ever, go find some of the pro heavyweight MMA fighters. Cain, Fedor, Werdum, Carwin etc. they would all brake little bruce bones in seconds
@MuayThaiViking forget that they are all fake, MMA perverts actual fighting for something glorified just for show or ring matches, they all suk. I find nothing realistic about MMA except for the ring seeing as how Wing Chun is designed to kill and many other things hell even Indonesian Silat and other forms are better than failed MMA stuff
@MuayThaiViking simple i just watch MMA fights who are all just big buff no bodies forgetting that brute strength is an actual weakness not superior(just hit them in the biceps it will hurt even more then) I see this vid and firstly Emin wasnt even a master at the time and William Chuengs wing chun in my opinion isnt even good far from the best but even so MMA just straight out ridiculous and having sparred with a few MMA people seals my opinion on that matter
@mgk22 lol too much talking. we got a video right here that proves me right. ''brute strength is an actual weakness'' bullshit. in nature, the bigger animal always win. one of the reasons why martial arts exists, is for a smaller person to counter brute strength. but its obvious that the best thing is to have both
@MuayThaiViking yeah this video really doesnt prove you right about anything infact you cant talk unless you fought one of them anyways. Brute strength bull crap we are better than animals brute strength is weakness if anything history shows they some of the major losses is because people used brute strength over intelligence. Brute strength is weakness MMA is fake :)
@mgk22 is that why you always see the skinny kids bully the huge strong guys back in highschool? saying that strength is not important in fighting is just ridiculous. being strong means you can hit harder, do more damage, throw the other guy around, etc
give me ONE good reason why its better to be weak and skilled, than strong and skilled. if both guys are equally skilled, the strong guy has a huge advantage
at least people in MMA can fight, unlike the wing chun masters in this video :)
@MuayThaiViking where did I say it was better to be weak I just said relying on brute strength is stupid, there are other ways to be strong and brute strength is not an immediate choice for martial arts you need speed, endurance, intelligence those three are all that are needed as far as I can tell, you can even develop Qi Gong which is not brute strength required. I see big bully kids pick on the smaller because they are weak all they have is brute strength if they lose that they got nothing
@mgk22 ''brute strength is an actual weakness'' u said it here. its not a weakness, its an important attribute. mix it with combat training and its even better
there is a reason why martial arts (karate, muay thai, boxing, TKD, sanshou, jiu jitsu, you name it) have weight classes. its because being bigger and stronger is a huge advantage
@MuayThaiViking no its a weakness, Brute strength just slows you down too much muscle doesnt make you faster it makes you slower and it exposes your veins as a target more bigger bicep like that actually hurts more, in WIng Chun we train in limb destructions something thats also done in Kali which makes MMA easier for us to beat
@mgk22 haha too bad none of the wing chun masters used ''limb destruction'' in this video. fancy words you throw out there!! :D too bad that when it comes to REAL fighting and not demonstrations, even your masters resort to the most basic of MMA (and done poorly)
i like how every video with real wing chun fighting, people defend wing chun saying that the fighters sucks or that its not real wing chun. now we got 2 masters, and everybody can see what a scam that system is :P
@MuayThaiViking lol well I like how every MMA fighter I meet that does wing chun abandons MMA for doing wing chun maybe because it fails in a real street fight ;) there was no limb destruction here since William nor Emin(at the time) had huge biceps like wrestlers here was using grappling. Really I have never seen a WIng Chun figher resort to using MMA techniques in a real fight ive seen vice versa but thats it only when I see MMA demonstration is when it only seems to work :/
@MuayThaiViking I didnt say any successful ones I mean people I knew personally or they mixed it into what they knew especially trapping hands, name me one person that gave up Wing Chun for MMA ill look forward to your answer on that one ;) William Cheungs wing chun sucks compared to Leung Ting wing chun(What Emin uses) thats a principal reason, Cheung tried using a fancy made up wing chun jump kick he invented and Emin side stepped it(this video is only half way through the fight)
@MuayThaiViking MMA cant fight all they can do is fight in ring :) atleast Wing Chun deals with real street based stuff and realistic fight scenarios ;)
@mgk22 yes, cause this video clearly shows how deadly wing chun is outside a ring. the fancy techniques seen from fight scenarios demonstrations disappear once things get real
at least MMA fighters can use their technique in a real fight, unlike the 2 WC masters seen in this video :)
(by the way, to watch the video press play. then u can see what i mean)
@MuayThaiViking yes this video shows a wing chun on wing chun fight and how up close and personal it gets especially when grappling is used, this isnt a wing chun on karate fight or the fight would go a bit differently such as Karate losing miserably :) MMA cant fight and since ive fought with MMA guys you aint changin my opinion unless your an MMA fighter and you fight me but that aint happenin anytime soon
Bruce Lee witnessed Cheung fight in the fifties. Its verifyable that Lee had Cheung as a role model as a fighter. You can watch videos of Mike Tyson losing his last few fights, looks sad. But doesn't change the fact that at one time Tyson was the biggest draw and appeared unstoppable. When Tyson started to lose his fights. Did everybody start saying boxing is no good. That appears to be the logic used in Cheungs case when losing in an ambush age 47. Someone shout one, two, three go.....
One Day, a 20 year old former MMA Fighter - now XY-Wing Chun - goes to a Seminar from Emin Boztepe. He wears Protectors and has many friends with Cameras. Then he wrestles Emin from behind and from now to future he is the king of Wing chun.
@MegaCopyman bullshit,lol,William was given a 10 second warning that he was gonna attack him,William made a statement saying he considered himself to be the worlds greatest street fighter.silly boy !!!! Bottom line is, 2 of the worlds greatest Wing Chun guys when they fought, fell to the floor within seconds....rolling like school children in a playground fight. Neither had a clue about grappling,,,any half decent MMA guy would walk thru them both together, at least Boztepe is a real fighter tho
@1fitkbox you must be the dumbest person in the entire world, grapplers can only fight one person at a time and on beaches and in the ring and gyms, you dont see people rolling around on the streets dummy. Cheung was attacked by surprise, you can tell how the video started, no Wing chun man will allow anyone get close to them without unleashing punches, its obvious emin tried to grab cheung by surprise.
@HDsharp HAHA., arrh bless ya, another 1 in denial,Every witness there said he Emin gave a 10 second warning,Chueng wrote in a magazine I read back then claiming he was the worlds greatest st fighter,sillyboy lol, God,imagine that, the worlds president of WC....couldnt stay on his feet against another man whos not even a grappler hehehe ! Wing Chun is a shit martial art, everything it does..other styles do better. Its Punches are piss weak, kicks useless, trapping doesnt work, doesnt leave much
@1fitkbox HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA, you are the man of internet words, come to my place ill show you some punches, your that kinda guy that doesnt even do martial arts or was forced by his daddy to do some karate or kickbox lol... Big internet words, Small real life power. You feel real cool on youtube dont you? :) want me to like your comment so other people can see that you have internet friends? Wing chun is for killing, mma and whatever art is for SPORT. Time to get a real life m8.
@Euwnt Bottom line is...Will Chueng....president of WingChun organisation, got took down to the ground, knelt on & punched to fk....off a guy whos not even a grappler...hehehehe...bless them...!!! ...god help any of them if they meet a guy who can grapple...let alone a decent MMA guy...hehehe. Face the truth guys, Wing Chun is a shit, ineffective martial art. Everything it does, other styles do better. Even Bruce Lee, who had base in it, new it was shit & was slowly moving away from it
@1fitkbox 10 seconds warning?, what the fcuk is that, what if your not ready, like wearing slippery fung fu shoes you mong. its not a fair fight, anyways Wong asked for a proper challenge afterwards but the coward Emin refused...lol besides no one won here, just becos one got taken down dosnt mean the other wins the fight! u must be stupid?
@HDsharp Hehehe...Only a Wing Chun muppet could come out with the shit you do...thats why I love seeing there replies hehehe...So now you say, if some 1 ever fights a WC master, WC can only do well....if wearing the correct shoes !!! hahaha...ill remember that & ill only attack when they have the "wrong" shoes on hehehe ! Also, you say, a 10 second warning is no good, they need longer hehehe ! You also say, just because the Master is on floor getting his face punched in, means nothing.hehehe
what dont you understand? if it was the other way round it would be no different, emin would be on the floor not the old man, dummy..u need to go back to school, you cant have grip on a vanished wood floor wearing those kung fu slippers.
@HDsharp Hehehe...I love it...the old "still blaming the shoes trick" hehehe !!!...the oldest trick in the book...hehehe ! As if Chueng would do a seminar on a floor he was slipping all over on,I spent years training in kungfu slippers while doing lau gar & JKD, never once did I slip, they actually helped grip hehe, think your now scraping the barrel with excuses...(story of Wing Chuns life- excuses) hehehe ! As for old man, he was in his 40s, I still beat my pro MMA guys & im 46..bless ya lol
You're a clown, logics, do you have any logics? cotton soles have no grip, they're only good for the outdoors on concrete and earth not wood vanished floors you mong...why hasnt emin accepted a PROPER rematch?...becos he knows in a fair fight he would lose and lose face, thats why he got up to dirty tricks and never showed the beginning of the scrap, besides he never even hurt wong, no one won the fight and u're suppose to be an MMA expert ..lol
@HDsharp Amazing how some people still regard Cheung's excuses (attack from behind and rematch not accepted by Boztepe) as the Truth, when there's no evidence of all that. Judging from the video, super GM Cheung was easily defeated by a young guy with only 6 years of experience in WC. End of story.
@bordereye even the video doesnt show who won the fight, just becos someone gets taken down it doesnt mean he loses the fight. even my my 8 year old nephew knows that.
@HDsharp True, the video doesn't show who the winner was. We only see Cheung in big trouble. Granted. But why do some people (like you) say that Boztepe attacked Cheung from behind and also refused a rematch? Is all that on video? Nope. The only thing we know is that Cheung was taken to the ground and hit several times by Emin's elbows. I trained with him about 15 years ago and though I don't like his WC anymore believe me he's very powerful.
@bordereye u know and i know he was only taken down once and a rematch was issued and was refused by emin. thats a fact. theres nothing in the video to suggest he was hurt, it was purely a scuffle nothing more than that.
@HDsharp No, I don't know that he was taken down only once and that Emin refused a rematch. Please, tell me where I can see or read proof of that. Actual proof, not just rumours. Thanks.
its all known in the WC circle, WC asked for a fair and square rematch, that emin refused becos without any surprised attacks he would lose, check out the vid it self, wheres the beginning and ending? its all so convenient for emin..they must have shot the whole thing yet only parts of it was shown to avoid redicule as to what really happened, if you got half a brain you know this vid is fishy.
@HDsharp "It's all known in the WC circle". Ok, you are clearly not interested in finding what really happened. There's no difference between you and those who blindly believe to Boztepe's version. In some WC circles "it's well known" that Cheung spent a few weeks at the hospital. Should I believe it? The video might be fishy, but why none of Cheung's students helped him if their master was attacked from behind? Everybody is looking at the fight like it's a regular fight. It's all in the video.
@bordereye you dont know the full story, WC said wait he will fight but not in Germany becos he could get arrested for using his WC, then emin pounced on him and then the scobble that came afterwards, thats was it, it was a PR stunt, the reason why the vid never had an ending and start becos emin ran off after.
@RickyRecon77 wrong because ive seen experience fighters lose to wing chun and ive personally fought these so called experienced fighters also Bruce Lee never lost a fight in the time he did wing chun nor his own master even Wong Shun Leung had the record of being undefeated just with Wing CHun
Wing Chun requires relaxation. I have a feeling he lost his ground. You aren't suppose to be an easy take down like tht in Wing Chun. You are suppose to have a strong base. This is why Tai Chi/Wing Chun are two great martial arts to combine.
hm u know in wc there ar shown so much combos and great chinese good looking combos... WHERE AR THEY ? and the shame is.. theese ar two masters ^^ omfg what a blame ooh men
This is a very short short match and he clearly didn't feel threatened for his life in my opinion. I think he would have hit more vital areas if he were trying to take the attacker out. This isn't a big deal at all.
@dekal1 This is the "famous" moment where Boztepe challenged Cheung at Cheung's own seminar. The fight is no big deal, but many considered it to be one due to who was involved and because these guys were supposed to be the real deal Wing Chun guys and neither of them seemed to use any Wing Chun. Even before they were grappling in this clip they were supposedly standing and looked like a sissy slap match and nothing like Wing Chun. I've never seen it until now, and only read of it.
i'm not sure how to judge this video. Clearly we see Emin winning. But just like videos showing police beating up "joe shmo" it looks bad seeing a cop beating the shit out of someone but do we know what happened b4 the confrontation? I heard from my sifu that William Cheung was trying to walk away and Emin came from behind. (shrug) we don't know for sure.
In all trainingvideos they say Wing Chun is dangerous, not a ringsport. And when somebody do this you got to do that an blabblablala lalalalala...and then two so called Wing Chun Masters got in a fight...Hilarious, All the do this and do that thrown out of the window. It looked like a catfight between two girls..
@iApna you are so wrong ... I respect very much the muay thai and bjj but do not underestimate the wing tsun. by the way any technique of the muay thai and bjj are in the wing chun, all his grasps and his blows . sorry for my english
@tutanota - No the techniques from BJJ and Muay-Thai are not in Wing Chun. The execution of the techniques are completely different than that of Muay-Thai. There might be some elements of BJJ in Wing Tsun, but very few.
This fight is an embarrassment. Two masters fighting like little school children. What a joke. I do not underestimate Wing Tsun but so far I see nothing special about it.
@iApna the wing tsun changed my life and my mind like no other martial arts (I practice boxing, taekwondo, judo, kick boxing)and is an incredible art with a beautiful philosophy is true that there are many false teachers who understand nothing of art and many use this art for profit but that does not mean that the wing tsun is not an amazing art. Emin Boztepe at that time was only 22 years and was not a master. and the fight was not as bad as you think, the real kung fu looks bad in the movies
@tutanota Wing Tsun changing your life and mind is what it's all about. Honestly, if you find enjoyment and peace from doing Wing Tsun then that's all that really matters. I do Judo and I feel that I was born to do Judo just like you were born to do Wing Tsun. I don't do Judo (or BJJ for that matter) because I want to be a better fighter. I do it because I find enjoyment out of it and it is very challenging to me. To be good at Wing Tsun requires skill regardless of fighting ability.
@christlicker going 2 say this 4 al of u they were trying noy 2 hurt each other if uv seen sum other fites ud no this .boztepe has fought over 300 xs against all cumers almost all over 45seconds or less .fact deal with this we all waited in la 4 a fight n LA.gracy's had ISUED A CHALENG boztepe said yes and flew all the way from turkey he also anwered all 5 at same tym big crowd ,boztepe gues what ? NO GRACY'S NOT 1 OF THEM ! ANY OF U HAD REAL STONES U WOULD MAKE PUBLIC CHALENG 2 HIM !PAPERTIGERS
william cheung was beaten by boztepe!!! cant believe this. this video is a proof that real life situations are different then "learn how to do wing tsun videos".
@pornpan96 so what makes a wing tsun practitioner better then the other? william cheung should have kicked boztepe's ass, but he couldnt, and this proves something.
William Cheung is old and was not even perpared for a fight, Emin Boztepe knew he was going to challenge the old master and prolly had months of training before hand just for this. Atleast william cheung accepted the challenge out of no where =/
Cheung basically got lit up, but i can appreciate trying to put some realism in a fight or skillset. Emin was just showing some of what Cheung was saying was bullshit. Albeit, he beat down an old man which was bullshit, but real practical application has it's place.
crap video that has no technique. Ive seen other vids of Boztepe and not impressed with his techniques. The vids he has show a mediocre wing chun tallent. GM Cheung would woop him in an organised fight.
@ycemaster I think the discredit here is that they both discredited wing chun since neither of them are using wing chun effectively in the fight. Not trying to troll, ala bullshido, but gotta admit it's pretty weak when two high level wing chun practitioners (one who considers himself the best) are fighting and neither of them are capable of using their wing chun techniques in the fight. No chain punches, no bong saos, no bridge hands, no centerline. It's just a schoolyard brawl.
@assoverteakettle both applied their wing chun, it is quiet normal that a real fight doesnt look like a drill.
wing chun teaches principles, the forms and drill are just the highway to your brain. in a real fight, you apply the principles - and you need to have a lot experience to "observe" the typical wing chun.
the swift takedown in the beginning, the appliance of knepressure (hardly visible, but certainly feelable) chainpunches, bong sao.. it was all there.
@zoolkhan You'll have to point me to where you see valid WC techniques. However, I agree with you that a real fight using WC would not look like a Leung Ting instructional video. Then again you could argue that a hockey fight is a wing chun fight as I did at another WC video comment. Afterall, hockey goons close the distance (aka bridging), control their opponents arms and nullify their attack, while launching their own. Still I don't see techniques learned in a class like you would in BJJ.
@assoverteakettle dont get with me on the ice, i actually do play hockey.. and i practise wing chun. If anyone knows the commons and differences it might be me.
any wing chun instructor with self respect will tell you that you cannot feel with your eyes. Want to argue that? So you see something looking like a barfight
but you dont feel the vectors, the forces and because of poor quality
you can judge as bad as i can over what is happening there.
WING CHUNG IS THE TKD OF CHINESE MARTIAL ARTS, THIS PROVES IT, THIS IS THE WAY TWO AVERAGE JOES FIGHT IN A BAR, PERIOD.
CarlosNoedelaTorre 1 week ago
that wasnt a fight. that was a bloke jumping another bloke and just as the other bloke has got his wits and gets the attacker off, the fight is cancelled. awesome!
hudders128 3 weeks ago
emin boztepe sikti hahahahaa :D
jonnasiBross 3 weeks ago
lol william cheung,...
Frequent2001 1 month ago
Its not effective cuz it aint direct of what iver seen even though they say they are. That video is movement on movement instead move to hit and hit with a real blow not some crazy twisted finger fist. I fought and seen many WC guys. Not one I lost too and not one impressed me. Why? Cuz I try to keep it simple. I move to hit, I defend to Counter and Hit, I intercept to HIt. Nothing special at all. I will check out the link you send me
minasz 1 month ago
briga de rua?
TheBelcross 2 months ago
Emin suggest he has the been the victor of 300 street fights! When one takes into consideration that individuals such as, Mike Tyson, Joe Louis, and Muhammad Ali lost fights with rules, it would seem ridiculous to suggest that an individual could be victories in hundreds of fights without rules. Anyone who fights enough will enviably lose, its a matter of probabilities.
shadjazz 2 months ago
Both Boztepe &Cheung were huge douchebags and idiots who defaced their own Art
Cheung was arrogant, claimed nobody could beat his WC, his was best and offer to challenge anyone who questions
Boztepe accepted challenge,jumped an unprepared old man wearing slippers in a school gym at the man's seminar
But more than arrogant was stupid.This gave such a bad image and discredit to WC,their behavior ultimately killed their Art,what they both lived for
Hopefully time has wisened up these dumb fucks
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago
@KeyMasterGateKeeper you say it killed wing chun? i say open your eyes and actually look
58dragonmist 3 months ago
@58dragonmist It obviously didn't kill WC. WC is alive and well. But it certainly dented its image quite a lot when two of its great masters act and fight like school kids in an art requring discipline and respect. It's like what would have happened if some punk kid played street ball with a cocky Jordan, cheated & beat MJ
WC is a good base to be a good fighter but certainly not complete. It's like a painting palette - I'd choose my "black+white" base to be WC but my palette is still incomplete
KeyMasterGateKeeper 3 months ago 2
@KeyMasterGateKeeper Good analogy at the end. WC can give you a good foundation in hand techniques, as it did to Bruce Lee. But the system is quite limited with no high kicks, ground work, wrestling and such per sae. That is why Bruce, who knew those things could be effective and necessary, had to go outside his art to become a much more complete fighter. But he got as powerful and deadly as he did because of what he learning from wing chun and gung-fu in general.
Gungfuman77 2 months ago
@Gungfuman77 Wing Chun is a waste of time and you can it clearly in this video. This people are so called masters who teach and train for years and years. And now we see a real fight between these so called masters. The masters turned into little schoolgirls who have a catfight. They were both stuck in not doing anything cuz they didnt knew how to fight and how to finish. Its pathetic. This is why Bruce threw WC away. At the end of Bruce s life there was no WC, its all made up.
minasz 1 month ago
@minasz Unfortunately as it stands today, you are essentially correct. This has happened to just about all Asian arts because the fighting elements of the arts were removed and the real Masters killed or run out of the country since 1949 and the cultural revolution. Mao and others leaders know that all successful revolts in China started when the martial artists united. So they sought to remove the actual fighting parts of the training while keeping the art and form...it worked.
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
@minasz There was still some skill left in BL's time and he got the last part of that training, but had to add way more. The system I learned was from a Very old Grandmaster who is one of the few left alive who got the old style training for decades before the revolution. That's one reason he came to the US to teach starting in 67..fortunately.
Here is a french documentary showing some old sparring at this school from the 70's.
/watch?v=9Dw88fw6lXA&feature=related
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
@Gungfuman77 No dude. There is nothing leftin in BL way of fighting. He abonded WC cuz for the simple reason. It doenst work and its a waste of time. Read BL Tao of JKD, there is nothing that is pointing to WC. His movies also dont reminds you of WC. BL believed in the way of fighting with simple and direct techniques. At the end BL trained Boxing and some grappling likes Judo with Gene Labelle and some Jiu Jiutsu and offcourse the philipino wayes with Danny Inosanto. WC no way!
minasz 1 month ago
@minasz There was nothing left in his external fighting by apperance, but you can't just ababdon your entire foundation at willl....it stays with you and comes out in a real fight. I see several elements of the forms he learned, the hand techniques, wrist movements and the like from WC in his fighting. As you get to higher levels, your fighting in gung-fu naturally has less and less foundation as you adapt it to your own personality and style that suits you, but the foundation never goes
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
@Gungfuman77 Wich fighting you R talking about then. If you check out BL at his last and at his peak there was no WC stance or movement. Enter the Dragon pak sao stuff was only for movie cuz it looked flashy. Nobody fights like that. The other fighting scenes in Enter the Dragon and Game of Death, Fist of Fury you see more a kickboxer than a WC man. But hey I see that you R a WC guy and you will stick to what you ve been doing trough the years. And about that video you send me. Naa
minasz 1 month ago
@minasz Funny hoiw so many people say negative things about the videos and real gung-fu but when they encounter it they're utterly blown away by it's effectiveness. That's because most of the techniques effectiveness is subtle and not easily visible even to other MA. I've encountered that with boxers, karate men, wrestlers, Aikdo men, JiuJitsu men and others including street fighters. Perhaps this one will be a bit better. This is all toned WAY down for the crowd.
/watch?v=ou1Qw-DmWFk
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
@minasz He certainly focused on the other arts much more later on, but his grappling, some striking like the back fist focus, in fighting and such and especially his punching power, 1 inch punch training and such are all from his gung-fu training in WC. We've had guys who even trained in karate for just a year or so, learned gung-fu for ten years like mad, but still had certain elements the karate training come out when the fought someone on a high level or in a real fight, etc.
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
@Gungfuman77 Dude, im not hating! One inch stuff is only crap, fantasy shots. Why even bother. Bruce Lee showed off when he still did WC. After he quite the WC cuz it wasnt working he started to focus on his boxing skill, cuz he allready was a good boxer. Fixed his JKD punch aka Demsey, moved like ali, Checked and make notes from savate and Muay Thai and did grappling training with Gene Labelle and Inosanto Kali and Silat stuff. He trained with some Pro Karate people ect. No WC.
minasz 1 month ago
@minasz 1 inch punch is more of a demo, but having that capacity simply shows the real power one is able to attain with right training. In very close quarters fighting, it can and does work though. Yes, he certainly fights far more like a kickboxer or karate man than a traditional WC or even gung-fu man. I'm not a WC man by the way, but gung-fu based in Shaolin, hung-gar and such. Most of the advanced students consider WC to be "crap", sorry to any WC practitioners reading this.
Gungfuman77 1 month ago
QUE FACIL ES PEGARLE A UN VIEJO, LO QUE NO ES FACIL ES HACERLO CON LO QUE VENDES, TERMINA HACIENDO JUDO. MENUDO ROLLO ESTOS DEL WT, VENDEN HUMO NO COMPITEN EN NADA Y HABLAN MUCHO, SE CONOCE AL PAJARO POR LA CAGADA.
piowyy 3 months ago
because real life wing chun and movie chun is different. and yes fuck you all
yokcocuk 4 months ago
@yokcocuk Not really. I practice Wing Chun and when I first saw Ip Man, I was amazed about how Donnie Yen's performance of Wing Chun was. Granted it was exaggerated at times, but Donnie Yen's actually fighting style was very true to Wing Chun, at least in principle and technique.
sickness324 3 months ago
Why has the whole video not been uploaded. Could it be because the owner has too much to hide by showing it all. Its all very cowardly.
kiddie66 4 months ago
This is a failure. An epic failure. Let's post some videos of arts that are actually combat effective, shall we?
Hawisher13 5 months ago
@bordereye is correct its well known what really happened just a pr stunt cause emin ran off afterwards. will not face william cheung.
58dragonmist 5 months ago
the vid has been heavily edited. william cheung wanted a one on one with emin boztepe but he refused quoting from his many lists of excuses not to fight. he does not like facing up to people he likes to attack from behind otherwise he wont do anything.
58dragonmist 5 months ago
@greatermo comments show an ignorance of wing chun
58dragonmist 5 months ago
Just like school children.
tallset2 5 months ago
Wing Chun is either good and works for actual self defense scenarios or it does not. In this video as wing chun is applied by the master William Cheung, wing chun does not look effective, nor does the attack by Emin very effective. This example is how a real fight/attack starts. Real fights don't start with 2 guys separated by a referee waiting for the "go" signal. When the masters can't even make it work, well guess how it's gonna work for a non-master in the face of a real attack.
RickyRecon77 5 months ago
emin boztepe is a clown ,william cheung is the only grandmasters in the world,now and tomorrow forever.
MrAngelday007 6 months ago
Emin Boztepe is the best wing chun fighter :)
Anakin950 6 months ago
@Anakin950 wonh sheung leiung was better emin only attacks from behind. and then people put up a heavily edited version of the video.
58dragonmist 5 months ago
Megacopyman, many a MMA person would easily beat Boztepe in a real fight. He ducked out of fights with Bas Rutten, and was challenged by Blumming students too. As for pure WC/WT people few could beat Boztepe, as in they stuck to their style when fighting him; there are very few really good fighters in Wing Chun/WT. You don't see a rush of people challenging him though. His WT is at least more practical than Kernspecht/Ting Or Cheung's style. He came from K./Ting of course but improved it.
CloudsBeyond 6 months ago
If people want to do Wing Chun or Wing Tsun fine but relying just on it for a real street fight is foolish. Any good MMA guy will beat the crap out of any Wing Chun or WT fighter - they train harder / better conditioned / fight & spar hard against resisting opponents. Wing Chun people do lots of nice drills with people not really trying to hurt them, Chi Sao, etc but very little all out fighting! They are deluded thinking what they do is very street effective.
CloudsBeyond 6 months ago
@CloudsBeyond ignorance is bliss for you? just like you ignorant comments.
58dragonmist 5 months ago
I just want to point out that neither of these guys, when this video was shot, were "masters".
Boztepe was a newbie with a wrestling background. Back then, nobody regarded him as a "master"...he was just a thug (still is).
& William Cheung's a big fraud. He is to WC what Ashida Kim is to ninjutsu. Cheung had ~3 years of WC as a teenager then moved to Australia. Aside from that basic training, he made up his own system in isolation.
Is it any wonder this fight is a joke?
TwoGunGunnar 7 months ago
Sometimes, the martial arts community seems more like a bunch of narcissistic ladyboys, all fighting for the most spotlight. They are all really good at poledancing, but their immature childish behavior completely destroy the purpose of an otherwise honerable activity. Sometimes I think Martial arts should be regulated, just for that. Seriously - whom want potentail deadly people with that mindset to walk the streets?
TheExpressoKid 7 months ago
For the record Boztepe is NOT a Wing Chun Master and never ever will be, but, what he is, is a disgrace and will go down in history as Wing Chun's greatest embarrassment.
thelighthousekeeper 7 months ago
Emin is one of the best in ving chung
sayitm30 7 months ago
You are a fu__g FOO_ cungle! what ground fighting and wrestling are you talking about? Emin ambushed William Cheung but still didn't manage to inflict any damage! LOL. he fights like a girl. i can't believe he claimed to have won 300 fights! i can't understand why people believe in that shi_ he's claiming! LOL. can't even fight an old man on the ground! LOL
pinoyblues69 9 months ago
@pinoyblues69
Yeah, Emin's a thug & a liar. And William Cheung is also a liar...an arrogant egomaniacal liar. Cheung is the guy who said he'd beat "anyone", "anytime", "anywhere". After all the shit Cheung talked about how badass he was (and man...he talked sooo much shit), he had no excuses whatsoever for anything less than totally curbstomping Boztepe, which he failed to do. As for "ambush"-did Emin jump out of the shadows like a ninja? No. Cheung knew he was there & he knew why. No excuse.
TwoGunGunnar 7 months ago
Grappling and taking someone to the ground is useful if it's one on one, but if you find yourself against two or more, then the ground is the last place you want to be. Granted you have one pinned, but his/her friends will gladly take the opportunity to start kicking and stomping you. Also, another downside of grappling in a street fight is the presence of a weapon. If the person you have down has a knife in their pocket, it's a short trip from tip to ribs.
aedimus 9 months ago 2
well a grapler will always have the advantage whne he is fighting with rules when you are out in streets with no rules its kind of diff to try and grab him when he can kick your balls(outs)or put his finger on your eyes!!
13Metal13Head13 9 months ago
none of them are doing chain-fisting. I am really dissappointed :D
monroekissedme 9 months ago 2
That's Not Wing Chun
bluefox177 10 months ago
william cheung sucks. he should've been the dead one and bruce lee should've been the one staying alive.
MrHoppers002 10 months ago
if I might have ever been doing Wing Chun... after watching this I would never admit it ! not when these 2 are being called "MASTERS"... this is damn embarrassing for so many reasons !
DrAndreiPopescu 11 months ago
The only people who would possibly stick up for "Wing Chun" after seeing this, are people who practice it, and don't want to feel like morons for wasting their time. Any MMA guy who is somewhat decent would kill these two, in a matter of minutes. That's just plain fact.
iDeist 11 months ago
And to all those who said that BJJ is this,that...well yes it is a very nice martial art until you come to the ground and its life or death: your opponent can bite you, or lets say you go for a triangle, he can smash your balls. This is where rolling on the ground becomes bad.same goes for multiple opponents. Tho i do wish that nobody comes to a situation where u need to bite or kick the groin or anything else.
markomak1 11 months ago
@markomak1 dude, did you even SEE the first UFCs ? they used bitting, hair pulling, groin kicking, almost ANYTHING except eye gouging. oh yeah, they didn't fight on concrete or molten lava... so what ? still I saw a guy getting ko'ed and with whole body spasms after being thrown to that floor. just watch them, u'll see that in a one on one unarmed fight, a grappler has the upper-hand all the time. if u don't see that, that is just cuz u dont WANT to see it...
DrAndreiPopescu 11 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu Just read the rules about UFC 1. A bite on the neck can easily kill you in a pool of blood. And it takes no skill to do it.
markomak1 11 months ago
@markomak1 heh, check out kimo vs royce in UFC 3 I think. kimo starts bitting royce, royce tells the ref, the ref says "I can't do shit" than royce opens a can of whoop-ass on kimo and also never lets go of his hair. I swear to god, if those UFC (more than those of today) weren't the closest thing (sometimes even beyond) a real fight, I don't know what is... also: it's really hard to bite someone and kill them with that, if u are human. what would you bite and how ? no fangs, no snot...
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu Where did you see biting in the ufc? and no it is not hard, the neck skin is thin, teeth are sharp enough to go through it .
markomak1 10 months ago
@markomak1 I told you, UFC 3 kimo vs gracie, it's been uploaded high quality recently ! at least I hope so... or look up the reviews, if u don't trust me. dude, if u ever fought somebody on life or death stakes you would know that bitting someone's carotid artery is not exactly easy, unless u have a protrudint face :D like a werewolf. otherwise bitting is just painful and potentially infectious but u can't get enough blood to run out fast enough to kill somebody with that.
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu And ofc im not saying that grapplers are bad or anything but im just saying they are not invincible.
markomak1 11 months ago
@markomak1 shit, u're right about that one! NOBODY is invincible, that's for sure! but there is a style that has been addopted by almost every self respecting mma fighter today, and that's for a reason...
DrAndreiPopescu 10 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu
u can knock out a grappler easier because fights start standing up.
if u can stay up then the grapplers got nothing, unless hes well rounded.
im a grappler too so im not bein a dick.
yulaw3 9 months ago
@yulaw3 didn't think u were being a dick. still, how do you explain what happened in the first UFCs, my friend ? they were dominated BY FAR by a smaller than average guy who couldn't and to this day can't either punch or kick very well. sure, if a pure grappler moronically chooses to trade punches/kicks with a striker, he's gonna get fucked up. but WHY should that be the case ? I've been in street fights and I know that, as a striker, it's hard to keep the perfect distance against a grappler.
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
@DrAndreiPopescu
yeah ur right dude, distance is a concept that most fighters dont realise the importance of.
if a grappler gets hold of a striker, it doesnt even matter if hes small.
in fact the smaller ones are worse ,like pitbulls covered in superglue, cannot shake em off!
haha
yulaw3 9 months ago
@yulaw3 IMHO in the old "grappler vs striker" debate, the striker has a MUCH more dificult time keeping the optimal distance in order to hit but not to get hit back/taken down, whereas the grappler only has to CLOSE the distance, which is much easier. that's why I think that, given the same level of exp., a grappler will always have the advantage.
DrAndreiPopescu 9 months ago
Emin proved that he is a far from skilled prick, being unable to land a single punch, and GM Cheung well...he didn't even have 1 bruise on him...doesn't that say enough?
markomak1 11 months ago
Boztepe is nothing more than a disrespectful meathead. Watch the full version of this video and you'll nothing more than him and his cronies 'crashing' a class and then having his ass handed to him...not to mention the underhanded tactics of his students......prick !!!
Arkapok81 11 months ago
an eighteen month judoka is schooling either of these.
fringeailments 11 months ago
2 so called masters? When it got real this looked like a schoolfight between 10 year olds. Where is the groundgame?? Thats why I dont believe in Style.
minasz 11 months ago
You see 2 grandmasters fighting like noobs. Where is the wing chun here?
Lagios66 11 months ago 2
WTF i cant see william cheung .It looks like boztepe paid some one to take a fall and bad video.
aussiemonkey83 11 months ago
Regardless of what this video says about their fighting skills ( especially on the ground ) you still have to pay respect where it is due. William Cheung and Emin Boztepe are excellent instructors of the Traditional WC system.
at1withWii 1 year ago
William Choung made a mistake by entering the fight. He had to explain to boztepe the purpose of WC, which boztepe showed he don`t know anything about it.Boztepe made a mistake because he has to show respect to his fellow mates by not provoking and disrespect them. WC ancient masters were right to pass the skill to the chosen ones but William Cheung lacks the understanding of the philosophy of WC.Bruce Lee would`ve been a better choice.Too bad.
gulag1979 1 year ago
Let`s look at the historical fact of WC.It was created basically to deliver "maximum damage with minimum effort".It`s obvious that this style was not perfected for limited use, like karate, taekwondo etc. It`s not suited for competition but life - death situations. WC technique implies the use of all possible means to achieve the defeat of the opponent and that includes punching vital body sections.We are all aware what could happen if these two started with heavy artillery - death.
gulag1979 1 year ago
wing chun :D
biiiitcheeeeees
fopperer 1 year ago
I'm fascinated by the way traditional martial arts students fall into a cult-like trance, and develop blindness and irrational thinking about their "system." Look... all you practitioners of kung fu, aikido, wing chun, Karate, etc... please just accept that your system is more of a lifestyle/philosophy than a realistic fighting method. Stop deluding yourselves. Drink your tea, and meditate, and do your forms/katas. But please carry an expandable baton if you want to actually win any fights.
BobTheBuilder378 1 year ago
Any martial artist opens him or herself up to defeat when they expect there style or system to win. Styles and systems do not fight. Men and women fight. The style or system is a training method just like using a skipping rope or hitting the heavy bag. It is supposed to help the fighter improve certain things. If you place all your faith in Wing Chun only. You as the fighter have left out preparation for fighting on the ground. Styles and systems are just preparation thats all they are.
cruse9 1 year ago
That is classic! It's funny how you can find 1000's of videos of wrestling/Muay Thai/Bjj/boxing/judo actually working in full on contact fights but not wing chun. Two masters of the wing chun and they scrap like school girls.
JoeJiuJitsu 1 year ago
when this happened emin had the 2 techn. degree while william chung claimed to be the king of kung fu
GonG108 1 year ago
I guess Wiilam Cheung will never live this down. This fight took place way back in 1986!
FaceInTheRain 1 year ago
Big age difference here...plus teaching all the time your reflexes are not that great...that's what you get for giving your time to others all over the world...challenges!
whitechun1 1 year ago
Two Wing Chun masters fight in 'real life' with no 'silly sparring rules' unlike those 'sportists'.
They end up grappling, one guy uses a Judo throw and then GnP.
Remind me why 'martial sports' are so bad for real life?
callum828 1 year ago
@callum828 Amen!
chrokeii 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking u are right.WT is not self defence or fighting.its only business.real fight is MMA
badboyrua 1 year ago
Emin attacked William from behind without warning. When William got up and wanted to fight on, he was stopped by Emin's accomplices. The recording was made. Job done! It was all planned out, to serve as an advertisement for EWTO organization! The Fight was in Germany.
pisicalb 1 year ago
Emin boztepe is not a master he is a fuckin clown who attacked an older man behind,,, BEHIND , its here i saw it
pornpan96 1 year ago
@pornpan96 Emin Boztepe challenged Royce Gracie to a match back in '94. Royce said: "I'll make it easier for you, I'll fight you at your studio in fron of your own students". Boztepe declined!!
publicatdamagnificen 1 year ago
BRUCE LEE IS THE BEST STREET FIGHER EVER !!!!
smoothkiller777 1 year ago
@smoothkiller777 think this video shows how silly the fake masters are. nothing but myths and stories about how good they are. same goes for bruce lee
if you want to name the best street fighter ever, go find some of the pro heavyweight MMA fighters. Cain, Fedor, Werdum, Carwin etc. they would all brake little bruce bones in seconds
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking thats not necessarily true.
djdocstrange 1 year ago
@djdocstrange okay, bruce was probably faster. maybe he could find a tree to climp up in, or run away from some of the big guys
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking forget that they are all fake, MMA perverts actual fighting for something glorified just for show or ring matches, they all suk. I find nothing realistic about MMA except for the ring seeing as how Wing Chun is designed to kill and many other things hell even Indonesian Silat and other forms are better than failed MMA stuff
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 how can u even think that after watching 2 WC masters fighting in this video :D?
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking simple i just watch MMA fights who are all just big buff no bodies forgetting that brute strength is an actual weakness not superior(just hit them in the biceps it will hurt even more then) I see this vid and firstly Emin wasnt even a master at the time and William Chuengs wing chun in my opinion isnt even good far from the best but even so MMA just straight out ridiculous and having sparred with a few MMA people seals my opinion on that matter
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 lol too much talking. we got a video right here that proves me right. ''brute strength is an actual weakness'' bullshit. in nature, the bigger animal always win. one of the reasons why martial arts exists, is for a smaller person to counter brute strength. but its obvious that the best thing is to have both
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking yeah this video really doesnt prove you right about anything infact you cant talk unless you fought one of them anyways. Brute strength bull crap we are better than animals brute strength is weakness if anything history shows they some of the major losses is because people used brute strength over intelligence. Brute strength is weakness MMA is fake :)
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 is that why you always see the skinny kids bully the huge strong guys back in highschool? saying that strength is not important in fighting is just ridiculous. being strong means you can hit harder, do more damage, throw the other guy around, etc
give me ONE good reason why its better to be weak and skilled, than strong and skilled. if both guys are equally skilled, the strong guy has a huge advantage
at least people in MMA can fight, unlike the wing chun masters in this video :)
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking where did I say it was better to be weak I just said relying on brute strength is stupid, there are other ways to be strong and brute strength is not an immediate choice for martial arts you need speed, endurance, intelligence those three are all that are needed as far as I can tell, you can even develop Qi Gong which is not brute strength required. I see big bully kids pick on the smaller because they are weak all they have is brute strength if they lose that they got nothing
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 ''brute strength is an actual weakness'' u said it here. its not a weakness, its an important attribute. mix it with combat training and its even better
there is a reason why martial arts (karate, muay thai, boxing, TKD, sanshou, jiu jitsu, you name it) have weight classes. its because being bigger and stronger is a huge advantage
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking no its a weakness, Brute strength just slows you down too much muscle doesnt make you faster it makes you slower and it exposes your veins as a target more bigger bicep like that actually hurts more, in WIng Chun we train in limb destructions something thats also done in Kali which makes MMA easier for us to beat
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 haha too bad none of the wing chun masters used ''limb destruction'' in this video. fancy words you throw out there!! :D too bad that when it comes to REAL fighting and not demonstrations, even your masters resort to the most basic of MMA (and done poorly)
i like how every video with real wing chun fighting, people defend wing chun saying that the fighters sucks or that its not real wing chun. now we got 2 masters, and everybody can see what a scam that system is :P
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking lol well I like how every MMA fighter I meet that does wing chun abandons MMA for doing wing chun maybe because it fails in a real street fight ;) there was no limb destruction here since William nor Emin(at the time) had huge biceps like wrestlers here was using grappling. Really I have never seen a WIng Chun figher resort to using MMA techniques in a real fight ive seen vice versa but thats it only when I see MMA demonstration is when it only seems to work :/
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 can you name any successful MMA fighters who has changed their style to wing chun? im looking forward to your answer on that ;)
in this video you can see the ''big biceps'' emin use medicore grapling against a wing chun master. and wuuhoooo the master got owned :D
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking I didnt say any successful ones I mean people I knew personally or they mixed it into what they knew especially trapping hands, name me one person that gave up Wing Chun for MMA ill look forward to your answer on that one ;) William Cheungs wing chun sucks compared to Leung Ting wing chun(What Emin uses) thats a principal reason, Cheung tried using a fancy made up wing chun jump kick he invented and Emin side stepped it(this video is only half way through the fight)
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 Where can i see that? And why didnt Leung Ting challenge Cheung? is he afraid?
markomak1 11 months ago
@MuayThaiViking MMA cant fight all they can do is fight in ring :) atleast Wing Chun deals with real street based stuff and realistic fight scenarios ;)
mgk22 1 year ago
@mgk22 yes, cause this video clearly shows how deadly wing chun is outside a ring. the fancy techniques seen from fight scenarios demonstrations disappear once things get real
at least MMA fighters can use their technique in a real fight, unlike the 2 WC masters seen in this video :)
(by the way, to watch the video press play. then u can see what i mean)
MuayThaiViking 1 year ago
@MuayThaiViking yes this video shows a wing chun on wing chun fight and how up close and personal it gets especially when grappling is used, this isnt a wing chun on karate fight or the fight would go a bit differently such as Karate losing miserably :) MMA cant fight and since ive fought with MMA guys you aint changin my opinion unless your an MMA fighter and you fight me but that aint happenin anytime soon
mgk22 1 year ago
i think they should learn bjj all fights end up in a grapple!!
121069 1 year ago
Bruce Lee witnessed Cheung fight in the fifties. Its verifyable that Lee had Cheung as a role model as a fighter. You can watch videos of Mike Tyson losing his last few fights, looks sad. But doesn't change the fact that at one time Tyson was the biggest draw and appeared unstoppable. When Tyson started to lose his fights. Did everybody start saying boxing is no good. That appears to be the logic used in Cheungs case when losing in an ambush age 47. Someone shout one, two, three go.....
cruse9 1 year ago
They are both the shame of martial arts.
xs1313 1 year ago
One Day, a 20 year old former MMA Fighter - now XY-Wing Chun - goes to a Seminar from Emin Boztepe. He wears Protectors and has many friends with Cameras. Then he wrestles Emin from behind and from now to future he is the king of Wing chun.
It is like "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance".
I hope the day is near.
MegaCopyman 1 year ago 8
@MegaCopyman bullshit,lol,William was given a 10 second warning that he was gonna attack him,William made a statement saying he considered himself to be the worlds greatest street fighter.silly boy !!!! Bottom line is, 2 of the worlds greatest Wing Chun guys when they fought, fell to the floor within seconds....rolling like school children in a playground fight. Neither had a clue about grappling,,,any half decent MMA guy would walk thru them both together, at least Boztepe is a real fighter tho
1fitkbox 8 months ago
@1fitkbox you must be the dumbest person in the entire world, grapplers can only fight one person at a time and on beaches and in the ring and gyms, you dont see people rolling around on the streets dummy. Cheung was attacked by surprise, you can tell how the video started, no Wing chun man will allow anyone get close to them without unleashing punches, its obvious emin tried to grab cheung by surprise.
HDsharp 6 months ago
@HDsharp HAHA., arrh bless ya, another 1 in denial,Every witness there said he Emin gave a 10 second warning,Chueng wrote in a magazine I read back then claiming he was the worlds greatest st fighter,sillyboy lol, God,imagine that, the worlds president of WC....couldnt stay on his feet against another man whos not even a grappler hehehe ! Wing Chun is a shit martial art, everything it does..other styles do better. Its Punches are piss weak, kicks useless, trapping doesnt work, doesnt leave much
1fitkbox 6 months ago
@1fitkbox HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA, you are the man of internet words, come to my place ill show you some punches, your that kinda guy that doesnt even do martial arts or was forced by his daddy to do some karate or kickbox lol... Big internet words, Small real life power. You feel real cool on youtube dont you? :) want me to like your comment so other people can see that you have internet friends? Wing chun is for killing, mma and whatever art is for SPORT. Time to get a real life m8.
Euwnt 6 months ago
@Euwnt Bottom line is...Will Chueng....president of WingChun organisation, got took down to the ground, knelt on & punched to fk....off a guy whos not even a grappler...hehehehe...bless them...!!! ...god help any of them if they meet a guy who can grapple...let alone a decent MMA guy...hehehe. Face the truth guys, Wing Chun is a shit, ineffective martial art. Everything it does, other styles do better. Even Bruce Lee, who had base in it, new it was shit & was slowly moving away from it
1fitkbox 6 months ago
@1fitkbox 10 seconds warning?, what the fcuk is that, what if your not ready, like wearing slippery fung fu shoes you mong. its not a fair fight, anyways Wong asked for a proper challenge afterwards but the coward Emin refused...lol besides no one won here, just becos one got taken down dosnt mean the other wins the fight! u must be stupid?
HDsharp 6 months ago
@HDsharp Hehehe...Only a Wing Chun muppet could come out with the shit you do...thats why I love seeing there replies hehehe...So now you say, if some 1 ever fights a WC master, WC can only do well....if wearing the correct shoes !!! hahaha...ill remember that & ill only attack when they have the "wrong" shoes on hehehe ! Also, you say, a 10 second warning is no good, they need longer hehehe ! You also say, just because the Master is on floor getting his face punched in, means nothing.hehehe
1fitkbox 6 months ago
@1fitkbox
what dont you understand? if it was the other way round it would be no different, emin would be on the floor not the old man, dummy..u need to go back to school, you cant have grip on a vanished wood floor wearing those kung fu slippers.
HDsharp 6 months ago
@HDsharp Hehehe...I love it...the old "still blaming the shoes trick" hehehe !!!...the oldest trick in the book...hehehe ! As if Chueng would do a seminar on a floor he was slipping all over on,I spent years training in kungfu slippers while doing lau gar & JKD, never once did I slip, they actually helped grip hehe, think your now scraping the barrel with excuses...(story of Wing Chuns life- excuses) hehehe ! As for old man, he was in his 40s, I still beat my pro MMA guys & im 46..bless ya lol
1fitkbox 6 months ago
@1fitkbox
You're a clown, logics, do you have any logics? cotton soles have no grip, they're only good for the outdoors on concrete and earth not wood vanished floors you mong...why hasnt emin accepted a PROPER rematch?...becos he knows in a fair fight he would lose and lose face, thats why he got up to dirty tricks and never showed the beginning of the scrap, besides he never even hurt wong, no one won the fight and u're suppose to be an MMA expert ..lol
HDsharp 6 months ago
@HDsharp Amazing how some people still regard Cheung's excuses (attack from behind and rematch not accepted by Boztepe) as the Truth, when there's no evidence of all that. Judging from the video, super GM Cheung was easily defeated by a young guy with only 6 years of experience in WC. End of story.
bordereye 5 months ago in playlist emin boztepe
@bordereye even the video doesnt show who won the fight, just becos someone gets taken down it doesnt mean he loses the fight. even my my 8 year old nephew knows that.
HDsharp 5 months ago
@HDsharp True, the video doesn't show who the winner was. We only see Cheung in big trouble. Granted. But why do some people (like you) say that Boztepe attacked Cheung from behind and also refused a rematch? Is all that on video? Nope. The only thing we know is that Cheung was taken to the ground and hit several times by Emin's elbows. I trained with him about 15 years ago and though I don't like his WC anymore believe me he's very powerful.
bordereye 5 months ago
@bordereye u know and i know he was only taken down once and a rematch was issued and was refused by emin. thats a fact. theres nothing in the video to suggest he was hurt, it was purely a scuffle nothing more than that.
HDsharp 5 months ago
@HDsharp No, I don't know that he was taken down only once and that Emin refused a rematch. Please, tell me where I can see or read proof of that. Actual proof, not just rumours. Thanks.
bordereye 5 months ago
@bordereye
its all known in the WC circle, WC asked for a fair and square rematch, that emin refused becos without any surprised attacks he would lose, check out the vid it self, wheres the beginning and ending? its all so convenient for emin..they must have shot the whole thing yet only parts of it was shown to avoid redicule as to what really happened, if you got half a brain you know this vid is fishy.
HDsharp 5 months ago
@HDsharp "It's all known in the WC circle". Ok, you are clearly not interested in finding what really happened. There's no difference between you and those who blindly believe to Boztepe's version. In some WC circles "it's well known" that Cheung spent a few weeks at the hospital. Should I believe it? The video might be fishy, but why none of Cheung's students helped him if their master was attacked from behind? Everybody is looking at the fight like it's a regular fight. It's all in the video.
bordereye 5 months ago
@bordereye you dont know the full story, WC said wait he will fight but not in Germany becos he could get arrested for using his WC, then emin pounced on him and then the scobble that came afterwards, thats was it, it was a PR stunt, the reason why the vid never had an ending and start becos emin ran off after.
HDsharp 5 months ago
Wing chun is Fraudulent
greatermo 1 year ago 4
@greatermo Wing Chun is great as long as you are fighting unskilled fighters or fighters of an inferior art ;D
RickyRecon77 5 months ago
@RickyRecon77 wrong because ive seen experience fighters lose to wing chun and ive personally fought these so called experienced fighters also Bruce Lee never lost a fight in the time he did wing chun nor his own master even Wong Shun Leung had the record of being undefeated just with Wing CHun
mgk22 5 months ago
@mgk22 Truth and time... You speak the truth. In time, all shall know.
gilgamesh777amg 4 months ago
Wing Chun requires relaxation. I have a feeling he lost his ground. You aren't suppose to be an easy take down like tht in Wing Chun. You are suppose to have a strong base. This is why Tai Chi/Wing Chun are two great martial arts to combine.
dekal1 1 year ago
hm u know in wc there ar shown so much combos and great chinese good looking combos... WHERE AR THEY ? and the shame is.. theese ar two masters ^^ omfg what a blame ooh men
Greenarrow88 1 year ago
This is a very short short match and he clearly didn't feel threatened for his life in my opinion. I think he would have hit more vital areas if he were trying to take the attacker out. This isn't a big deal at all.
dekal1 1 year ago
@dekal1 This is the "famous" moment where Boztepe challenged Cheung at Cheung's own seminar. The fight is no big deal, but many considered it to be one due to who was involved and because these guys were supposed to be the real deal Wing Chun guys and neither of them seemed to use any Wing Chun. Even before they were grappling in this clip they were supposedly standing and looked like a sissy slap match and nothing like Wing Chun. I've never seen it until now, and only read of it.
bootlegprod 1 year ago
you in denial?
this is like two bums fighting on the street...wing chun is apparently useless in a real fight
Abgef 1 year ago
i'm not sure how to judge this video. Clearly we see Emin winning. But just like videos showing police beating up "joe shmo" it looks bad seeing a cop beating the shit out of someone but do we know what happened b4 the confrontation? I heard from my sifu that William Cheung was trying to walk away and Emin came from behind. (shrug) we don't know for sure.
Byakuya79 1 year ago
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droman30 1 year ago
In all trainingvideos they say Wing Chun is dangerous, not a ringsport. And when somebody do this you got to do that an blabblablala lalalalala...and then two so called Wing Chun Masters got in a fight...Hilarious, All the do this and do that thrown out of the window. It looked like a catfight between two girls..
minasz 1 year ago
A perfect example of martial "Arts" vs fighting lol. One is a religion, the other is reality.
MstrKey 1 year ago
Luckily they both train wing chun so neither was hurt... at all.
christlicker 1 year ago 29
@christlicker - More like one of them was lucky nobody had MMA training. Otherwise one of them would have ended up with a broken arm or worse.
MMA with Muay-Thai/BJJ being the base is much more effective and these clowns proved it.
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna Word.
christlicker 1 year ago
@iApna you are so wrong ... I respect very much the muay thai and bjj but do not underestimate the wing tsun. by the way any technique of the muay thai and bjj are in the wing chun, all his grasps and his blows . sorry for my english
tutanota 1 year ago
@tutanota - No the techniques from BJJ and Muay-Thai are not in Wing Chun. The execution of the techniques are completely different than that of Muay-Thai. There might be some elements of BJJ in Wing Tsun, but very few.
This fight is an embarrassment. Two masters fighting like little school children. What a joke. I do not underestimate Wing Tsun but so far I see nothing special about it.
iApna 1 year ago
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tutanota 1 year ago
@iApna the wing tsun changed my life and my mind like no other martial arts (I practice boxing, taekwondo, judo, kick boxing)and is an incredible art with a beautiful philosophy is true that there are many false teachers who understand nothing of art and many use this art for profit but that does not mean that the wing tsun is not an amazing art. Emin Boztepe at that time was only 22 years and was not a master. and the fight was not as bad as you think, the real kung fu looks bad in the movies
tutanota 1 year ago
@tutanota Wing Tsun changing your life and mind is what it's all about. Honestly, if you find enjoyment and peace from doing Wing Tsun then that's all that really matters. I do Judo and I feel that I was born to do Judo just like you were born to do Wing Tsun. I don't do Judo (or BJJ for that matter) because I want to be a better fighter. I do it because I find enjoyment out of it and it is very challenging to me. To be good at Wing Tsun requires skill regardless of fighting ability.
droman30 1 year ago
@christlicker i train wing chun, but i still thought this was hilarious
YoungCrs 1 year ago
@christlicker going 2 say this 4 al of u they were trying noy 2 hurt each other if uv seen sum other fites ud no this .boztepe has fought over 300 xs against all cumers almost all over 45seconds or less .fact deal with this we all waited in la 4 a fight n LA.gracy's had ISUED A CHALENG boztepe said yes and flew all the way from turkey he also anwered all 5 at same tym big crowd ,boztepe gues what ? NO GRACY'S NOT 1 OF THEM ! ANY OF U HAD REAL STONES U WOULD MAKE PUBLIC CHALENG 2 HIM !PAPERTIGERS
stovall1231 11 months ago
william cheung was beaten by boztepe!!! cant believe this. this video is a proof that real life situations are different then "learn how to do wing tsun videos".
monroekissedme 1 year ago 5
@monroekissedme no this proves that ur an asshole and a team with boztepe coward himself
pornpan96 1 year ago
@pornpan96 so what makes a wing tsun practitioner better then the other? william cheung should have kicked boztepe's ass, but he couldnt, and this proves something.
monroekissedme 1 year ago
@monroekissedme
where are all the wing chun drill in this real fight where is bong sao,
pak sao,tan sao etc ?
In Dony Yen movies for sure but not in this fight.
This are top exponents of they schools not average wing chun so .......
punhada 1 year ago
@monroekissedme yea when ur in ur 40s and set up by a group and attacked behind by a jerk like EB you wont look any better than WCheung ,
pornpan96 1 year ago
William Cheung is old and was not even perpared for a fight, Emin Boztepe knew he was going to challenge the old master and prolly had months of training before hand just for this. Atleast william cheung accepted the challenge out of no where =/
BerserkN00b 1 year ago
Cheung basically got lit up, but i can appreciate trying to put some realism in a fight or skillset. Emin was just showing some of what Cheung was saying was bullshit. Albeit, he beat down an old man which was bullshit, but real practical application has it's place.
nagone11 1 year ago
crap video that has no technique. Ive seen other vids of Boztepe and not impressed with his techniques. The vids he has show a mediocre wing chun tallent. GM Cheung would woop him in an organised fight.
MrDavo84 1 year ago
Wing Chun is one of the most effective style of southern chinese kungfu and Emin Boztepe is probably the best fighter of the last 25 years.
That's all.
segavene 1 year ago
was this real ?
trijjj 1 year ago
Boztepe was sent to discredit Cheung, that is why he grappled him.
He didn't have to trip him, but he did. I wouldn't consider Boztepe a master.
But all he succeeded in doing was to discredit himself.
Watch the vid of Boztepe doing chi sau, randomly slapping your opponent is not skill and its not chi sau.
ycemaster 1 year ago 2
@ycemaster I think the discredit here is that they both discredited wing chun since neither of them are using wing chun effectively in the fight. Not trying to troll, ala bullshido, but gotta admit it's pretty weak when two high level wing chun practitioners (one who considers himself the best) are fighting and neither of them are capable of using their wing chun techniques in the fight. No chain punches, no bong saos, no bridge hands, no centerline. It's just a schoolyard brawl.
assoverteakettle 1 year ago 3
@assoverteakettle both applied their wing chun, it is quiet normal that a real fight doesnt look like a drill.
wing chun teaches principles, the forms and drill are just the highway to your brain. in a real fight, you apply the principles - and you need to have a lot experience to "observe" the typical wing chun.
the swift takedown in the beginning, the appliance of knepressure (hardly visible, but certainly feelable) chainpunches, bong sao.. it was all there.
zoolkhan 1 year ago
@zoolkhan You'll have to point me to where you see valid WC techniques. However, I agree with you that a real fight using WC would not look like a Leung Ting instructional video. Then again you could argue that a hockey fight is a wing chun fight as I did at another WC video comment. Afterall, hockey goons close the distance (aka bridging), control their opponents arms and nullify their attack, while launching their own. Still I don't see techniques learned in a class like you would in BJJ.
assoverteakettle 1 year ago
@assoverteakettle dont get with me on the ice, i actually do play hockey.. and i practise wing chun. If anyone knows the commons and differences it might be me.
any wing chun instructor with self respect will tell you that you cannot feel with your eyes. Want to argue that? So you see something looking like a barfight
but you dont feel the vectors, the forces and because of poor quality
you can judge as bad as i can over what is happening there.
in the end of the day - bill lost fight
zoolkhan 1 year ago
wing chun is a sham
greatermo 1 year ago
when they fought, even though they were wing chun masters, they didnt use wing chun :/ just angry men fighting without using style
cosminso1230 1 year ago
the average guy walking the street could beat either of these clowns
greatermo 1 year ago
I seriouslt dont respect Boztepe for this, hes a cowered
JayseeKid 1 year ago 2
nice technique, they buffed the floor pretty well w their dumb asses
llJRLL1979ll 1 year ago