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  • "некогда не воюйте с Грузий ибо у нас будет бой с Божей Матерю... это погубит Россию" - Серафим Саровски

  • Los rusos son expertos en hacer propaganda. Oscar para Putin y Medvedev.

  • typical scenario..Just like albanians..they attack they own...No shame..Only to achieve their political goals

  • hahaha whats up Georgians and American shitheads?Got you ass kicked like it wuz joke for Russians :) Slava Rossii !!!

  • Wikipedia. Joseph Stalin. Although there is an inconsistency among published sources about Stalin's year and date of birth, Iosif Dzhugashvili is found in the records of the Uspensky Church in Gori, "GEORGIA" as born on 18 December (Old Style: 6 December) 1878. "Prominent figures". State and Power in Russia.

  • if Georgians shelled Tskhinvali, how come the city doesn't look destroyed from the cellphone footage ? This is biased and propaganda.

  • @fumfulapenguin about the same amount as when the georgian gangs were throwing grenades over the border into sout ossetia. South ossetia did not bomb georgia, youths threw shots at each other but no bombs.

    The city wasn't empty when it was shelled, look at the EU report. Georgia violated its cease fire with South ossetia and entered the country illegally, attempted to surround the city and block the Roki tunnel, but they didn't anticipate the russians being so prepared and where beaten... badly.

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  • @MultiBlackAttack hahahaha you got you're ass kicked and Russians will always win over you're evil plans.Fuck you and you're stupid fat ppl.You are like pupets,whatever you're news say you dumb shitheads belive.Americans use to be heros but nobody trust you anymore coz you are bigest fuckups on this earth.Fuck all of you!

  • When there is war involving Russia you do not need ask the question who is responsible for it.Russia is always washing their hands in blood.People should study a bit Russian history before believing this propaganda shit.

  • @MrLoceklis first look at your own American history dumb shit,all you know to say is Russia is evil coz of Soviet Union.Hiroshima say it all,who is true evil and who got all native Americans wiped out?Who the fuck you think you are?Long live Russia and all Slavic people!!!We are best and war against us is war you will always lose!

  • @M6NIKOS FUCK USA! Shut your fuck up!

  • WAR STARTED IN 1991 and not IN 08.08.08 . Russian 1 Chanel said sorry for using false material in this movie today. Check news and see your self. material used in this movie is fake or georgian

  • Before you say smth. think better and ask your self is It true That Osetia is Georgia? its like tomorrow Novosibirsk will start the war with us support to become independent from Russia. I t is ridiculous same as it is ridiculous when osetia wants to be independent from Georgia. F the war who wants war? when war was started ? not in 080808 but in1991 . and Guess who started? Just ask your self and think US was bullshitting the world when they started war in Iraq but now Russia does the same .

  • The implications of American involvement are way overblown. Georgia was petitioning to be a part of NATO, they have been in a sort of provisional status. There were some Americans there, but they were not in any of Georgia's genocidal attacks, which were covered up to NATO. Really the only reason the West condemns Russia's attacks was because of this provisional status of Georgia in NATO. NATO needs to drop Georgia and leave them for the wolves... or, in this case, bears ;)

  • @Wraithofvolsunga

    WTF are you talking about the anglo-americans tell Saka what to do, "Georgia" isn't petitioning to do SHIT. A few anglo-american puppet politicians is not "Georgia." The worst part of all this, is it looks like privatized military people were involved in planning this. Its not really "the US" its a certian class of people that are involved with doing these things.

  • @gosciu555 this is American job=FAIL thanks god,evil will never win over Russia NEVER!!!

  • Saakashvili took lessons in the USA, it is his degree work.He has not passed this exam.

  • The author should add more keywords and text to the video description to make this video more available to the brainwashed population of western countries.

  • South Ossetia and Abkhazia belong to Georgia, and Russia's mission was to weaken Georgia as punishment for its alliance with NATO. Besides, I thought that peacekeepers, and soldiers sent on a peace enforcement mission are supposed to reinforce peace and not take sides.

  • @warpedcomedy Yeah, had you been there, watching as civilians as well as comrades are murdered in a brutal and unneccesary assault. If you had the guts you would pick up your rifle and order your men into battle. The Russian soldiers carried out their peace keeping operation and protected the South Ossettians, we're beaten back and called for reinforcements and Georgia was appropriatley punished for their crimes. Stripped of their war fighting power. And is no longer capable of repeating this.

  • @30DOTCOM The Georgian Military is re-arming due to American aid. Their military is slowly gaining back its full potential. Russia provoked Georgia into attacking so it had an excuse to invade and punish Georgia for being free. Georgia is almost back to its war fighting potential, and I hope they blow up the Roki tunnel so Russia can't come and ANNIHILATE the little puppet state of "South Ossetia".

  • @warpedcomedy Are you saying thar Russia is responsible for this destruction? Are you saying what the Georgians did is jusifiable? Did you even watch the video? It's actual footage from killed Georgian soldiers. Do you want Georgia to have it's potential? So it may relentlessly attack other nations and exterminate their populations? Because thats what they want. Thats what they want the world to see them as. Warriors like they were seen as before, not cowards like they truly are.

  • @30DOTCOM I'm saying that if it wasn't for Russian provocations and support for Ossetian rebels, this tragic war would never have occured. If Ossetians want self determination, they should not get it under the barrel of the Russian gun.

  • @warpedcomedy Yes, something much more terrible would have occurred. If you watched this video and the other 5 parts you would know about the Georgian terrorist cells, the true meaning of operation 'Clear field' and what the Georgians intended to do and were doing until Russia intervened. What would have happened would be a holocaust without a WW2, a holocaust of the South Ossettian people, who unlike the Jews, were not strong enough to survive without Russia's support.

  • @30DOTCOM I watched it, but you have to be wary that this is a pro-Russia channel, and not exactly biased. The Georgian operation was launched due to years of provocation. If the Ossetians want self determination, they should not settle for "South Ossetia", a puppet state crafted by the Kremlin. The solution to this conflict should come from the negotiating table, not the battlefield.

  • @warpedcomedy Years of provocation? What provocation? Yearn for independance? I believe the Unites States had the same thing in it's early years, problem was no one really helped the British. Those were different times, they didn't face cluster bombs, they didn't face rascism and hate on such a scale. South Ossettia is in no way a puppet state of the Kremlin. It's called South Ossettia because of the region it's based in.

  • @30DOTCOM They poked Georgia repeatedly. Unauthorized Russian flights over Georgian territory. Shipping Georgians home from Russia by putting them in cargo planes like cattle. Remeber how Russia cracked down on the Chechens when they wanted their own state, just as the Ossetians do? Why this double standard? Why not make the Ossetian homeland North Ossetia? Because dictator Putin wants to have Georgia lose some territory as punishment for bein g democratic. What Russia did is obviously illegal.

  • @warpedcomedy So would unauthorized flights over Georgian airspace provoke thousands of civilian deaths? And yes, there were thousands before and after Tshkinvali. What does that even have to do with anything. Punish Georgia for being democratic? 1.) Georgia isn't even democratic 2.) Russia has a government very similar to that of ths US. 3.) We didn't get any more territory 4.) WERE THE BIGGEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. Why would we need any?

  • @30DOTCOM It wasn't just unauthorized flights. Ossetian terrorists attacked Georgian villages, and they were armed and trained by Russia. Georgia is democratic, much more democratic than Russia. If Putin is no dictator, explain the murders of Anna Politkovskaya and other government critics, whose killers have never been found. Russia wants to take away Georgian territory to weaken Georgia, and lits Ossetian puppets aunched attacks on Georgian villages to provoke a response.

  • @warpedcomedy Really if you think Russia is a dictatorship your more an idiot than I thought. How many other government critics are alive? Boasting their opinions on the media, why doesn't Russia kill them too? Why doesn't Russia ban internet se for it's citizens? Honestly after that statement I can no longer look at you has a human with a healthy brain. Go fuck yourself I don't want to continue this conversation.

  • @30DOTCOM Free Chechnya before whining about South Ossetia.

  • @warpedcomedy shut up you fucking moron, I'm an american, i've seen our biased media lie about the war and saw right through it from the beginning. georgia is a nato/american outpost. The US is trying to surround russia. I hope russia kicks our government's corrupt ass in a conventional war, and we have the humility not to play the nuke card.

  • @warpedcomedy I support your opinion.

  • 2. ...(according to Russians)  you see black people your first assumption must be "Americans". There were no black bodies except for some BURNT corpses. Of course, according to Russian logic burnt corpses must be coloured blue.

    Only a few hundred of Ossetians died, not "thousands" (I wonder why not millions) like Russian Kremlmedia claims.

    Russia bombed Grozny to the ground, Peterburg OMON had slaughtered the entire Chechen village and yet Russians judge and act as if they had a morality.

  • 1. Ah yes, the common Russian lies and propaganda. I like how the ignorant narrator calls blacks Afro-Americans assuming that they might have been Americans. Does that make sense? He should have said "Africans" since it is unknown where they came from. Definitely not USA. Americans do not act like monkies, but Africans from African countries might. Why would the USA send black instructors/soldiers? It's a lot more probable that either those blacks were African or it was staged, because when...

  • Yes, but where did blacks from Africa have U.S. citizen passport? :-) Although Georgia and Finland resemble African states - all former colonies of European countries, which are not able to establish independent states. Congo, Georgia, Finland, Algeria and Zaire - again the status of the colonies of European countries!

  • AlexRussia007 I sustain you !!

  • What passport? Of some white guy who all this time was in the US? Why would a mercenary take his passport to a place like that, especially if he wants to remain incognito? Next time just send a SU-25 with American military star and big painted "A-10" on it to bomb places.

    Finland as a colony... yet its people live incomparably better than Russian cattle. Finland may be called the way you like it, it doesn't lower its incredibly good living conditions. Yet Russia is a mess, no matter how called.

  • Because this stupid negros did not expect that they would be killed. Finland - a poor country with weak economies. And even this economy depends on Russia for 80 percent. I think Russia should impose sanctions against neonazi states - Finland and Estonia. To Finnish and Estonian cattle died of starvation. :-)

  • Even you with your limited thinking abilities should be suspicious of the fact that all "Americans" were black as if someone wanted them to be distinguishable; an expired passport that belongs to someone who was in the US during the conflict and had a real passport with him etc.

    Actualy, it's Russian economy that depends on the entire world because Russia has nothing but oil and gas. Medical, computer technologies, even simpliest things - products of oil - all of it you buy from Europe and USA.

  • There were not only negros.

  • How do you know that? OPT, PTP or the sixth sense? I wonder why you don't claim that Martians fought on Georgian side as well.

    It's so important for you to make others and yourself think there were Americans because it relieves you from the pain of realizing that Russians had such casualties fighting with Georgians who are most definitely not the best soldiers in the world.

  • I do not watch TV. I read the Internet and the European press. And about all this now write in normal (not Finland) European countries. But for some reason our soldiers in 3 days have destroyed Georgian Navy and almost the entire army of Georgia. :-)

  • What Georgian navy and army are you talking about? A wooden ship with a painting saying "the destroyer" and unprofessional Georgian soldiers that used inferior to AKs M4s? Georgia didn't even have jet fighters, not to mention bombers and stuff. Georgian "army" is a joke. USA would eliminate Georgian army in 15 hours with half forces used (compared to Russian).

  • In Finland this the same army, as in Georgia. I do not think, that Finland and Georgia - is serious contenders. :-)

  • That's true - Finnish army is no great army. Were're not as chauvinistic. I'm not saying that Finnish army could stand against Russian, I'm saying that Russian army is not too much better, and is definitely worse than German and especially American, British and Canadian.

  • Finland has only forest and Nokia. :-) All products products of oil we produce ourselves, we are the largest exporter of weapons and space technology. One of the largest software vendors. And most importantly - we almost did not buy from the U.S.. From Europe and India are buying, but not in the U.S..

  • No, you don't - you're too lazy and technologically incompetent to produce products out of oil. You just sell it and then buy whatever you need. The only product you produce is ethanol/methanol vodka "fedorov", mainly from wood.

    No one but third world countries buy your weaponry, and there is a reason for that...

    You don't buy from US? Hell, you can't live without Pringles, Coca Cola and "Counter Strike". Don't you use "Windows"?

  • Near my area 3 oil refineries. In Russia, even more so. Forget about his Nazi propaganda. ;-) Coca-Cola is sold in Russia - but it is made in Russia or Europe, but not the United States. About weapons - Greece and Cyprus - is a Third World country? :-)

  • Cyprus - pretty much yeah, according to my standards. Greece is balancing on the edge. Who cares that Coca Cola is made in Russia or Europe - it's an American trademark, meaning that whoever makes it the American Coca Cola company gets its share, and people like you buy it, making profits among others to the US.

  • LOl firend I might tell you something more funny in this nonsense video :D

    Do you see how so called "American soldiers" in this video are dressed? With hats and COATS on them and It's middle of August in GEorgia :D lool

    This stupid Russians might not know but not everyone lives in syberia, we in Georgia have actually summer with lots of sunshine and heat, and when it's 35C outside no one will wear a hat and coat !lol

    They are so dumb they did not take this into consideration!

  • In the mountains, too warm? All the commercials you Georgians in the mountains in the coat. ;-)

  • this again proves you mniserable knowledge of Georgia :D maybe you and the author of this video just visit georgia in the middle of August when even the highest mount Shkara has no snow , and I mean the peak of it !lol How dumb u are !

  • Georgians = neo-Nazis and liars.

  • GEorgians=neo-nazis? ISnot that Russia where the most famous youth organization is SKIN-HEADS organization?KLOl is not that Russia where people get killed because of their skin or eye color?

    NOw smart people will draw conclusions by themselves who is NAZI here !

  • The best-known neo-Nazis are your friends from the U.S. - where the appearance of the Ku Klux Klan? :-) Georgians neonazi at the state level, the policy of neo-Nazi Gamsakhurdia.

  • funny, you talk about Ku Klux Klan of a century ago, and we are talking of Russia today, full of Skin-heads, maybe you would better go shave your head and join them , I am sure they'll appreciate ur enthusiasm!

    What do you know of Gamsakhurdia?LOL

    georgia is the only country in Caucasia where all minorities have always lived? Armenians, azeri, jews, greeks.. Not a single country in Caucasia has tolarated to minorities trough history!and u again prove how uneducated u are!

  • Ku Klux Klan exists today - the largest Nazi organization in the world. Gamsakhurdia - neo-Nazis. Georgians - clowns. ;-)

  • how dumb, with no ability to argue at all..You see, there exist very good thing called books! if you read them more frequently, I mean it will be hard for you but just try it, you will may be get a little bit smarter and do not give people impression that u are so dumb!

  • I once again read a lot of books and I know that Georgia is not civilized state. The best comparison for Georgia - the Congo, or Zaire.

  • have u ever seen how book looks like?wow, I a so impressed right now! but do not mean fairy-tales Vania!lol

    Georgia is not civilized?lol well if we do not take into consideration that it is the first country to recognize christianity,has one of the oldest living languages on earth, and that first human being of Europe came from georgia(dmanisi) and also thefact that in 12th century Georgians created "knights in the Panthers skin" a hugest Literatural work of the time, than it's so uncivilized!

  • And Georgians first landed on Mars. :-) Georgian invention - pedophilia and necrophilia. :-)

  • you will not offend meanyone with very small knowledge knows what my country is, no point to prove anything to you!

    Javakheti is georgia and Aermenians are way smarter than poor ossetians not to get involved in Russian planted conflicts!

    Russia invented -prostitution, alcoholism, nazism, propaganda, genocide, betrayal, cinisims, list can be soo long i will get tired of writting !

    and this is my last comment to some undeveloped creature like you! bye!

  • Your words just prove that you're a Nazi. :-) Alcoholism invented Georgia for several centuries before it appeared in Russia alcohol. Other inventions of Georgia - the lies, racism and propaganda.

  • Bye, lady. And be careful, when you kiss your friend. Suddenly, he, like Saakashvili chews dirty tie. :-)

  • The first country adopted Christianity - Armenia! Javakheti is Armenia!

  • Actualy, the biggest neo-nazis are located in Russia, who in fact are... oh my, yes, Russians. Ku Klux Klan is dead. Leave the US alone, otherwise be ready to face some truths you might dislike.

    Do you really live in Russia?

  • Yes. I am from Russia. Ku Klux Klan is alive. And about some aspects of the history of your country, I will not forget. ;-) Look at Youtoube Ossetians - and ask what he thinks of Gamsakhurdia?

  • How is Ku Klux Klan alive? It hasn't shown any activity in years, while Caucasians are getting attacked and beaten to death by Russian neo-nazis.

  • Ask the blacks in the U.S. - has not shown itself as the Ku Klux Klan? :-) Leave the United States. In Georgia, Saakashvili and Gamsakhurdia Nazism at the state level.

  • I recently did - everything's fine there. You like history? Well, in Soviet Russia KGB has killed more Russians (and former Soviets in general) than Ku Klux Klan did kill Blacks (if at all). As for today, remember the wine import conflict between Russia and Georgia before the military conflict? Remember how every Georgian in Russia was stopped by Russian police and demanded of showing passport and other documents? It was pure discrimination. So there you go - nazism on state level.

  • Georgians - were not killed., but only checked the documents and increased control over them. This practice was in the U.S. in relation to the Japanese during the Second World War.

  • Was Russia at war with Georgia during that period? Take Russians the wine (or was it mineral water?) problem no less seriously than weaponry problem? Wow. What did they expect with those checkings, Georgians smuggling illegal wine (or Borzhomi)? It's silly to compare that to a war between two nations that took place in 20th century.

    Georgians were not killed because that would bring a lot of trouble to Russia. But it doesn't mean no one wanted to.

  • We not against Georgians, we are against the Georgian Nazism. But Georgian wine is of poor quality and we should not buy it. They can be poisoned.

  • You say that only because Kremlin wants you to think so. Georgian wine may be poisoned. What next? Jews are children of satan and are evil sorcerers? Americans are Ktulhu followers? You don't have to travel far in order to find poisonous alcohol - just go to your local kiosk and by some Russian vodka. But don't tell me methanol is not poisonous enough for you.

  • Georgian wine - is a poison that causes stomach ailments.

  • Yeah, right, and Russian vodka cures AIDS. I'd better drink Georgian wine than a mixture of methanol and ethanol you call vodka.

  • I repeat - I am NOT a supporter of Putin! And I think that Russia acted too leniently with Georgia! I think that need - Saakashvili had to hang over penis on the central square of Tbilisi! Or, at least, to hang like Saddam Hussein!

  • As we see the Ukraine - the glorification of the Nazi criminals who are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Russian and Poles. Georgia - Discrimination Abkhazians and Ossetians, and support for the Nazi tendencies. Recently in Georgia destroyed the monument to the fighters against the Nazis, killing a woman and small child.

  • What are the nazi tendencies? Now tell me, doesn't Russian government show nazi tendencies? Do you honestly think Russia is a democratic, liberal state?

  • Russia democratic state. I am not a supporter of Putin, but what they say about Russia in Georgia - this is idiocy. I just ridiculous. I said that I want in Russia without a problem I am I am not a supporter of liberalism, but Russia is not exactly Nazi state, as no one discrimination on Nationality. Checked the citizens of Georgia, which could be of Russian nationality.

  • In how far is Russia democratic? You have absolutely no freedoms in there, starting with the right to have your own opinion and ending with being a homosexual.

    Russia is a nazi state on the governmental level - Americans, Jews and Caucasians are highly disliked in Russia. If that's not nazism then I don't know what is.

  • In Russia, you can freely express their opinions. About gay - I am opposed to granting them any rights!!!! I believe that homosexuals should not have rights!!!!!!

  • freely express you idea, but next day you are dead!

    Ana PAlitkovskaia wrote "putin's Russia" suggest you to read it by the way, very accurate book! And for some strange reason she was shot, Nekrasov lives in an exile for being critical to Putin!

    Illias Shurpaev , journalist who reported of Caucasia, was also killed for critisim of government, Gaji Abashilov, chief of Dagestani's main channel, killed after rebelions started against Rus!there are 50 journalist killed in last 10 years!

  • I am NOT a supporter of Putin. But I am absolutely convinced that Politkovskaya was killed not by his orders. By the way, I hate Politkovskaya - she's a fool. I calmly criticize our government and no one have not threatened to me. But the actions of our government against Nazi Georgia, I fully support and even consider them too soft. They had to deal on Georgia much more strong blow, so that no one else dared to kill Russian peacekeepers and to harm Russia.

  • stop being cynical! "I am against Putin, but death of journalist is OK" what the fuck is this called? Russian LOGICS?

    not me saying that I want to see all Russians dead but you do.

    That hateridge of your will grow and you will just explode out of it one day!lol

    It's nothing wrong on ebing Skin-head seriouslly at least in your country! so do not give here people bullshit about democratic values and how LAWYER u are, just say that u are NAzi fascist hating Georgians!

  • I'm not saying that i approved the murder of Politkovskaya. But i does very not like Politkovskaya. And I do not share liberal values. Yes, I like Charles de Gaulle. What's next? I believe that a journalist should not deliberately mislead citizens, and I am a supporter of legislation that it will provide. I believe that civil rights can be limited in the interest of the state.

  • Yes, you dn't liked her because you don't like or accept freedom of expression, you'd better be slave of your government and declare Putin as your God!

    Exactly Putin thought the same and killed her, no wonder you are Russian!

    You do not share liberal values, you are NAzi, admit it! Adn at least do not be liar and say that your country is DEMOCRATIC or you share democratic values, you only share and accept values of Karl Marx and, what's next? JOIN Skin-heads! LOL

  • I do not like Skin-heads, I do not like Karl Marx and I'm not a supporter of Putin, although I am sure that Putin is not guilty of the murder of Politkovskaya. Wines - should be fixed by the court. :-) By the way - Putin is much more liberal than I am.

  • Karl Marx ideas with regard to flow of you deny the idea ofg freedom of expression for yourself and say that you should be told only the things your government will liek to! Tipacll signs of Communism..

    Plus since you also deny all liberal values o that respect you are preety close to Hitler plus ur NAzi feelings..

    So i see much collrealtion with putin, basiically he is even worse because he can actually realize his evil aims and u are not able to do anything but just dream!

  • I have different views with Karl Marx, Hitler and Putin. I do not like Marx and Hitler. On Putin - I ambiguous opinion - some of his actions, I support, and some do not. My idol - Charles De Gaulle. :-)

  • I do not care of your views, all I showed with your comments to other people is how FAscist you are! plus uneducated even in your own field of profession!

    and I did this with great sucess!

    You can print our pic of Putin or De GAulle(which can not be even compared to putin) and pray on it I care the least!

    Your ideology of agreeing on slavery is pathetic in 21st century!

    And basicallY I am glad that Russia has people like you, because it again proves to whole world how NAzi u are!

  • De Gaulle created the great France. He returned to her majesty, lost during the war. And I am sure that in our days Gaullism more effective than liberalism.

  • No, you cannot. If you don't want to get shot. On the other hand, you are allowed to express any towards Kremlin supportive opinions without getting killed or discriminated.

    You believe homosexuals should not have rights... so Russian of you... I believe Russians shouldn't have rights outside Russia. How does that sound?

  • they were not checked but most of the people were thrown out of Russia , just because of their nationality! They have not even started judicial procedings and gave deport to georgian citizens without any Trail!

    That is exactly why georgia has already filled and application against Russia in European Court Of Justice on discrimination on national basis, and seems like Georgia is moving ahead and court has already accepted the case, meaning considers this fact important enough to be heared!

  • I am a lawyer by profession and I tell you - the court is always obliged to accept the case, even though it clearly has no future. Discrimination on grounds Nationality in Russia was not. Nationality and citizenship - different things. We have the right to deport and sanctions against the citizens of a hostile state. But against the Georgians, who do not have Georgian citizenship was no discrimination was not.

  • A lawyer? ARe you kidding me? Tell me this is a big JOKE, what the f... do they teach you !LOl

    A Lawyer saying that he would love to see all georgia destroyed, lawyer claiming that deporting people without trail is Justified , a lawyer giving me some bullshit about citizenship?No wonder Russia is in a such a deep shit! If it has lawyer like you!

  • EUCHR will not accept every single case, in order for a case to be admitted at hearings it needs to go several stages, one of which is checking if evidence is truthful enough, also if there is any preliminary objections over jurisdictions!

    The case is on the active stage of hearings meaning Court already made sure that evidence was truthful and preliminary objectiuons of Russia were not accepted!

    I am not even saying tha I am lawyer on my second year of college i know far more of law than u do

  • Of course the correct registration when filing his case in court must, as in filing any case in any court. I have witnessed the actions against Georgian citizens and I think this is the case completely bleak. Discrimination was carried out on sign of citizenship, not nationality.

  • so if I am citizen of South Africa you will have right to deport me just because Russia might decide we don't likeafrican citizens.. and this is not a discrimination?LOL

    define the word discrimination please! no matter would it be on nationality or citizenship lever,even though u have even arrested some of Russian citizens because of Georgian ethnicity! discriminiation is unfair treatment of one person or group, usually because of prejudice about race, ethnicity, age, religion, or gender.(EUHR

  • Yes, under certain circumstances, I believe justified the deportation of citizens of any state. There are laws - on emergency and military situation. And what was with the citizens of Georgia - not discrimination - it was done on the basis of legislation of Russia and, without prejudice about the citizens of Georgia. Common deportation of citizens of the state, which in the near future possible war.

  • Oh common do not bring here concept of :"state of necessity " i know far more of it than you will learn in ur lifetime!lol

    Even under state of necessity such obligation as non-dicrimination is of a ERGA OMNES in character! (if you of course have an idea what this means:P) There is not even slight misconduct allowed with regard to such high International value!

  • erga omnes - are not suited to this case. Since there was no discrimination. There were only actions against the citizens of Georgia, the buyout was in the legislation of Russia. these actions are not based on prejudice about citizens of Georgia. Accordingly, there was no discrimination.

  • You said in your post comment that you have done this because of possible war! what does this mean?

    Firstly Russia is the part of Convention of Human Rights which declares non-discrimation erga omnes, and even if you take such legislation which contains clair sighns of dicrsimination is already illegal!

    It is the same if NAzis said that, we had legislartion to kill Jews! what a nonsense!

    It was based on prejudice since only georgian ethnic groups were at attack! not even fair trail provided

  • The first - the deportation was carried out not by ethnicity, but on grounds of nationality. In Russia there is no legal significance of nationality, every citizen determines its own and all Georgians can consider themselves Russian. Georgians with Georgian names - citizens of Russia - is perfectly normal to live in Russia, they no have any problem.

  • not only citizens of Georgia but all who looked georgian all who spoke Georgian even the public feagures who have lived in Russia for ages, were arrested! this is pure discrimination!

    even if it was only on citizenship level, that doesn't change the course of action to be qualified as discrimination!

    You deported georgian citizens without any legal basis, people who had their documents at home were deprived rights to present them to police, some passports of citizens were torn by Piolice!

  • If the deportation of individual police officers make been violated, the case must be examined in court and the perpetrators punished.

  • yeah really? Those people who got deported in 1 hour after the arrest could have field an applucation in airoplane and send it to Russian courts?LOl

    YOu have locked the ability to exhaust local remedies for this people! by refusing them right to re-enter Russian territory so now go ahead and prove ur truth with European court and not ur corrupted judicial; system!

  • Since the presence of Georgian citizens, at this moment in Russia is not feasible, then the European Court, indeed, the best place to address this dispute.

  • Deportation - no violation. Breach may be a violation of deportation procedures and illegal removal of documents. But this is not guilty of government, guilty - individual officials. Naturally, they should be punished.

  • Second - the deportation and murder - two different things. Right to life - inalienable human right, in accordance with international conventions. The right to freedom of movement - is not an inalienable human right.

  • Right to freedom of movement doesn't concernt International law at all, it is of internal determination!

    But the issue raised herebi9s not weather georgian citizens had right to move freely on Russian soil, the thing is that they were arrested on the grounds of nationality and deported without legal proceedings, which is prohibited by any international convention!

  • I know that it refers to national law. If you want to prove the truth, let no emotion, lady ;-) Restrictions in respect of such categories, as citizens of a certain state absolutely possible. For example - the citizens of Abkhazia can not travel freely without having additional citizenship, having only the citizenship of Abkhazia they can travel only in Russia, Venezuela, Nicaragua and Nauru.

  • I repeat some things because you are unable to understand them. I ask you again: shall I be willing to kill all Russians because one of you stole my bicycle?

    You factually started the war with Georgia, you have no rights nor justification in that conflict. You are occupying forces in South Ossetia. Give it back to Georgia or grant independence to Chechnya. That would be fair.

  • I repeat - South Ossetia and Abkhazia is not a terrorist. This peace-loving state and we can not decide anything for the leadership of these two states. I not support the murder of all Georgians, especially women and children. But I support the murder of two of thousands of Georgian soldiers, for killing a one Russian peacekeeper. I am a principled opponent of granting rights for all sexual minorities. Sorry, today I have no more time to talk.

  • Nobody said South Ossetia and Abkhasia were terrorist states. In fact, they can hardly be called states, especially South Ossetia. It belongs to Georgia.

    Why do sexual minorities bother you?

  • I repeat - if South Ossetia and Abkhasia belong to Georgia, Finland and Georgia belong to Russia. I am opposed to granting rights of sexual minorities, for religious reasons. You can be assured of 100 percent, that's my opinion on this issue is shared by most citizens of Russia.

  • Why should Finland and Georgia belong to Russia, these two countries were granted independence by your own country. Did Georgia grant independence to South Ossetia?

    I know how you Russians feel about homosexuals. Did you know that Tshaikowsky was a homosexual?

    By the way, what religious reasons? Does the bible say something about homosexuals? Or you just don't like life style different from yours?

  • They live independently for 20 years, this is reality - this is a free people, which achieved independence dearly, they know the price of independence and freedom, and no one returned his freedom. They are democratically elected in a referendum express its will to be independent and it has already admitted many states. Annexation Georgia of these territories is equivalent to the annexations Russia of Georgia and Finland.

  • Obviously you don't understand meaning of "independence" LOL They lived under Russian rule all of this time, there has never been any conflic Georgia against Abkhaz, it has always been fight between Russia's desire to control georgia and Georgia's undefeated Desire to get free from you!

    "democratically elected"LOL I just have impression you copy word that civilized world uses, without even knowing the concept of it :P Russian elected pupets are called Democarically elected?funny!

  • They 20 years were asked to recognize of independence, but Russia did nothing. We recognized their independence only after the barbaric attack on Ossetia ...

  • Oh like it was not Russia who gave all weapons to Ardzimba to start conflict, and to kill georgians .lol

    Like it was not Russia all these time providing all military assistence including :arming ossetian separatist!

    And lastly, I won't forget that Ru8ssian military itself took part in mass-murders of Georgian civilians living in abkhazia!

    After that they come out as "peacekeepers" just irony! But most clearly you have always been "PIECE keepers" nothing more!

  • Listen, lad, your attack on Chechnya about ten years ago was no less barbaric. The fact that there lived more Russians in Grozny than Chechens didn't stop you from bombing it to the ground and killing thousands of your own. I can understand when someone kills somebody from "another tribe" but I can't understand you killing your own...

    And once again, Georgian attack on a military object was provoked. You wanted it. The blood is on you hands. Besides, you lied about Ossetian casualties.

  • First - we have not lied to the victims. The second - practically all the Russian population was Exile from Chechnya before the war. Third - we have the UN sanctions on the military operation fourth - those who have committed human rights violations during the military operation - punished. Many are now in prison. I have no time to talk more about it.

  • You did lie. First you claim to be killed thousands of Ossetians, then the number was officially reduced to a few hundreds. If that's not lying then I don't know what is.

    Practically no Russian was exiled from Chechnya before the bombing. How could you do that without entering Grozny in the first place?

  • Because they were exiled by General Dudayev. It is not denied himself Dudayev. Russian in Chechnya, there was virtually no just war and hostages.

  • I am an Orthodox Christian - in the Russian Orthodox Church. We are not Protestants. Orthodox and Catholics condemn homosexuality as a Sodom sin .

  • LOL Russian Orthodxy.. Does your orthodoxy also teach to Hate Georgians and kill them?lol I suppose yes,since Russias Patriarch is now of Kremlin's favorite!

    By the way even your church recognizes teritrial integrity of Georgian Church ansd declares that Abkhazia as well as Samachablo are under Georgian Patriarch's control!

  • Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and many other states, independent states, but are under the jurisdiction of the Moscow Patriarchate. Abkhazia and South Ossetia - an independent state, but are under the jurisdiction of the Georgian Patriarchate.

  • Is that why Kremlin got read of your previous patriarch after his fanous appearance on Ukrainian TV claiming that "Russian attack on Georgia will result in Russia's defeat"

    And declared that Russia had taken wrong steps towards georgia! Very strange right after his appearance and clear messege to Orthodoxy he was dead!..

    Again Russian style!

  • Just no point in arguing with him :D very natural Russian type of person :D Imperialis, with great NAzi feelings, and plus not educated enough to bring any reasonable argument!

    You are talking of Homosexuality, common these people in Russia do not even understand the whole concept of "democracy" and any what so ever concept of "freedom" how can they understand homosexuality?

    Religion has nothing to do with it, it's just result of deprivation of Freedom of thinking in RUS :D

  • Lady, I say that homosexuality is condemned not only the Orthodox, but also Catholicism.

  • Firstly you will never be able to prove there was any state of emergency!

    Secondly "possible war" you admit right there that Russia was preparing for war in the year of 2006, which we as applicants can use as legal evidence in another case submitted to ICJ on genocide and ethnic cleanings of georgian citizens in abkhazia and Samchablo!

    So i guess ur government hired little bit smarter lawyers than u are! or Lost is guaranteed!

  • Actions carried out, but they were against CITIZENS of Georgia, which nationality could be - Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, German and even Russian. There is no discrimination on ethnic sign. it is futile.

  • I 100 percent support sanctions against the Nazi, hostile to us states like Georgia, which make instability in world affairs. I think that Russia did quite soft. Next time should be done so that no one had even thought of doing harm to Russia.

  • Russia didn't do soft, it did what it could. Now you're saying that you're against the states that make instability in world affairs. Fair enough, although I don't see how Georgia is a trouble to the world since it wants to get what's its. Anyway, the important thing is, Russia has built nuclear power plants in Iran - the most dangerous state in the world right now. But I guess since Russia is the one that did that you're ok with that.

  • I repeat - Russia have done VERY gently! Next time - should hang Saaakashvili the central square of Tbilisi!

  • If by gently you mean "without the nuclear weaponry" then yes. Georgia is no worthy opponent, yet Russian army is of a (much) higher technological level. Even with what it fought Russian casualties should have been much lower. The result of the war made me realize how badly trained and disciplined Russian soldiers are.

  • We have not only nuclear weapons but also weapons that are comparable to nuclear power, but not causing damage to nature. I think that was enough to assault Tbilisi, penalty Saakashvili and establishing in Georgia, the occupation regime, as in Iraq.

  • Everything that explodes causes damage to nature, the only question is "how much?". Not only you have such weapons, I can assure you.

  • This power is no longer anyone. We had could try to Georgia, to not one Nazis dared to attack and did harm to Russia.

  • Georgia didn't attack Russia, it attacked its own territory - South Ossetia. Besides, it's still unknown who attacked whom first - before Russian forces managed to shut down all the Georgian TV stations Georgia reported an attack on one of its villages before their own attack on the "peacekeeper" base. Russians claim that Georgia attacked first but it's hard to believe them since their history is full of lies and propaganda. For one thing, there were no American mercenaries in there.

  • First - the lies and propaganda is full of history of Finland and Georgia! Second - Ossetia - unrecognized, but an independent state. There were Russian peacekeepers. Georgians killed Russian peacekeepers!!!! Only for that, we need to destroy all of Georgia!!!! For each killed Russian killed, two thousand dirty Georgians !!!! To more - no one bastard did not dare to think about killing Russian peacekeepers!!!!

  • Leave the Finland alone, it's not our topic right now. I know you're trying to make me feel bad about my country and I find it very cute but unfortunately for you it won't work and I will remain focused. Firstly, Russian "peacekeepers" is like a womanizer who has given up doing it with chicks. Secondly, Ossetia is unrecognized, therefore from Georgia depending state, otherwise the unrecognized, but independent Chechnya is also... independent!..

  • ... Thirdly, Georgia (and Finland) is not as nearly full of lies as Russia is. You know that, why all the act? Fourthly, you think that because Georgia finally reacted on Russian provocations and decided to beat some asses the whole Georgia must be destroyed? Fine with me, actualy. The other day my bicycle was stolen by some Russian fuck. Shall I now be willing to destroy whole Russia? I should, accroding to your logic. And I'm fine with that, too...

  • I repeat - Russia has been very, very gently. For killing a Russian peacekeeper must be killed two thousand Georgians. Is justified. Georgians should know their place. I think it was possible to bomb the whole of Georgia - its normal. Russia was supposed to start a war, as Israel against Lebanon over the kidnapping of one Israeli soldier. I think it's time to stop talking, because you already repeating the same thing, but I do not time on pointless conversations!

  • This is the DEMOCRATIC thinking, Free Russian youth, CLAIMING THAT HIS COUNTRY IS NOT NAZI! LOL you think of killing 2 000 georgians?LOl well I can assure you , you personally nor your country will have ass for it!

    You go ahead and try to bomb whole of Georgia, even in your stupid dreams that won't be reality!

    Every single country neighbouring to you doesn't like you! Russian thought also that SOviet union will never be destroyed but it is, the same way Russia will be!

  • For reference - Russia has been very, very gently. Russia could completely destroy Georgia. Georgia could simply cease to exist!

  • I realize that. But don't tell me you didn't invade or destroy Georgia because you are good-natured. You didn't do it because you care about what the world thinks of you. Besides, if you go amok and invade one country after another NATO would decide to put an end to Russian expansion.

  • About me I am a supporter Gaullism ideology - the ideology of Charles de Gaulle.

  • Gaullism is a cute word for communism, isn't it? The difference is, you keep the borders open, yet they work the only way only. Did I understand the ideology correctly?

    By the way, did really a woman and a child die in Georgia in the get-the-statue-away explosion? If that's true then well, there are idiots in the world.

  • Gaullism - not communism. This patriotism which are only capable of great nation. When the Soviet Union and France seized the Third Reich there were killed germans women and children, but their death was guilty Gitler. In the death of Georgian children and women guilty of Saakashvili.

  • Small correction there, pal: France didn't do anything to fight the third Reich. Soviet Union, England, USA - yes. But France surrendered as soon as the German soldiers got by its gates. If it wasn't for France, maybe Hitler would never get the power in Germany in the first place.

  • France participated in the destruction of the Third Reich, De Gaulle restored troops.

  • When was it? When Germany was already losing? The French managed to gather some courage, heh? Wow, that took years.

  • France - winner in the war, in contrast - from Finland. :-) Glory to De Gaulle! Vive la France!

  • So now you're a patriot of France, eh? You change sides too easily.

    France is the reason the WW2 happened, no more.