I found myself quite frustrated during this critique, at both parties. At Bell, for rambling and taking forever to get to a point. And at PCR, for interrupting Bell mid-sentence for commentary (instead of waiting for a natural lull), thus making it *even harder* to figure out where Bell was going. I think a better format (better for my blood pressure) would be to summarize Bell's sermon, play only the most relevant clips, and link to the entirety of Bell's sermon elsewhere.
I don't know this Rob Bell and don't have enough time to spend watching the video, but if anybody wants to know what's hypocritical? These self-proclaimed Christians that bash Harry Potter and say it promotes witchcraft and Satanism, but don't go after Bewitched for the SAME "witchcraft" promoting, Satanism etc. just because it's from their generation. Now that's a double standard. Or Sabrina the Teenage Witch for that matter.
Why do so many Christians get angry when they have a different belief than another Christian? They use all CAPS and sometimes call names. They tell the person they are headed for Hell and God will judge them. Why not love and state your case but do it in a graceful way? It's no wonder so many people don't want anything to do with Christianity. Jesus is amazing but His followers, not so much.
Is he a Christian? Well, since he professes Jesus Christ as his Savior I'd say yes. Since when is it your job to judge whether or not someone is a Christian? That's right, it's not...
Rob Bell is a good man; he isn't perfect, but God thinks of him as being a wonderful person. So, try to be kind to Bell; he may not be real smart, but he's one asking some good questions, and Rob Bell certainly deserves God's love and support like we all do.
Why would you want to question what Christ did for Rob Bell? Rob Bell deserves the love of God; Bell also deserves God's support and security: it's what good Fathers give their children.
@theNCGstudios Actually Rob Bell DOESN'T deserve the love of God and neither do you or anyone else. This is why you're "theology" collapses because you think highly of man and poorly of the One True God. Your god doesn't count.
@theNCGstudios - Well you hit the nail right on the head. You think Rob Bell DESERVES the love of God? No one DESERVES the love of God! The only thing anyone DESERVES is God's wrath and curse for our sins. The love of God is not obligatory. It's called mercy. And as soon as you think mercy is obligatory, then you're not talking about mercy.
I think good fathers will support their children; they owe this to their children. Good fathers will love their children always, and yes they are obligated to provide for their children. Good fathers do not leave and forsake their children when they do wrong, but if they did leave and forsake their children for this reason or others, then we could not call them good fathers. My point is simple: children deserve the love, the support, and the security that their fathers can provide.
@theNCGstudios - Ah, another false premise, that everyone is a child of God. Nothing could be further from the truth. Christ describes those outside the covenant as "children of wrath", "children of the devil", etc. God's children DO receive (though they do not deserve) God's love & care. Those who are not God's children receive what they deserve, His wrath. Jesus spoke more on this fact than He did on Heaven. The Scriptures are clear. Ignore them to your own peril & that of your children.
You are spinning the metalanguage gloss of theology and feeling as if you are using wisdom; that's poor, but it's really not what we are discussing here. Nevertheless, I would really doubt that God's created children are just those who believe what Protestants spin, but then again, you seem to care less about His created children and only concerned in focus on what you spin as the elite: those who believe the right thing--which is rather a troubled synthetic of theology.
@theNCGstudios - What I believe is what Christ and His Apostles clearly taught. I don't believe I have the right to mess around with it, as you apparently do. This is the Faith once delivered. Yours is an aberration, heresy, and damnable heresy.
I don't think that making people feel as if they are not God's created children is what Christ, or His apostles taught/did, but unfortunately, your bias doesn't allow for God's created children in conversation . So, in brief, you do well in parroting the metalanguage of Protestantism's theology, but you are not being honest about/with the Read. May God bless.
@theNCGstudios - That's utter nonsense. The READ says precisely what I've been saying: "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"( John 1:2); "The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we [those in covenant with Christ ACCORDING TO THE CONTEXT!] are children of God" (Rom 8:16); I've tons more where those came from, but that should even be sufficient. I paraphrased other Scriptures previously, but you've addressed none.
If Paul argued that "[God] made us alive with Christ", i.e., made us alive spiritually with Christ 2000 years ago, and it judicially met the prerequisites for "it is by grace you have been saved" in Eph. 2:5, and he it did, and if Paul utilized this verse to define verse 8, and he did, then how could any person meet the conditions for which Paul argued, but Christ 2000 years ago?
@theNCGstudios - You're misinterpreting "us". The Scriptures utterly deny your inclusion of all men irrespectively as "us". Only those who are IN CHRIST are the "us" of Paul's (and all the apostles) teaching, as well as the teaching of the OT. So all the rest of your rambling is irrelevant. You're IGNORING Scripture that blatantly speaks of the difference between those in covenant with God, & those not. Jesus said "you do not believe BECAUSE you are not my Sheep, but of your father the Devil.
Your avoidance of Ephesians 2:5 is typical, but I would hope that someday that you would give it some more thought. May God bless, and we do love you very much.
@theNCGstudios - I haven't avoided anything. And there's no need to fill your response with utter lies. You don't love me, nor do I desire the love of this world (as this is where you hail). You are not in Christ, for if you were you'd know Who He is, and wouldn't be having this bizarre difficulty with His Word. Only the wicked believe that all men are saved irregardless of faith in Christ.
@theNCGstudios - Look at the context: Paul is talking TO Christians, a CHURCH; He says that WE (God's children) once walked among THEM (not God's children); that the spirit of disobedience is at work in THEM; that like THEM, WE were once also deserving of wrath for our sins, but because of God's love for US, WE are made alive (not THEM), and seated US in the heavenlies. Are you ALREADY ACTUALLY seated in the heavenlies (I ask this rhetorically since you're still amongst THEM)?
Allow me to rephrase: If Paul's usage of the aorist-singular verb συνεζωοποίησεν works in a time-sensitive concert with τῷ Χριστῷ, then how could any person meet the conditions for which Paul argued, but Christ 2000 years ago? So, your missing the point of Paul's writings and John's.
@theNCGstudios - Again, it matters not one bit about dissecting the Scriptures if you have the premise wrong in the first place. It's like Arians attempting to disprove the deity of Christ by nit-picking how an isolated phrase is used. YOU'RE missing the point. The "us" in the Scriptures is speaking of those in Christ, NOT those outside.
I should have asked you. Were you made alive with Christ 2000 years ago, or is this still pending some type of belief on your part? If it's pending, Paul didn't know what he was talking about.
@theNCGstudios - Paul is speaking in the same vein as how Christ was "crucified from the foundation of the world". It is decreetive language. Christ was not ACTUALLY crucified at the foundation of the world. But it was decreed that He would be, at the right time (as the Scriptures plainly teach) which was about 2K ago. The same has to do with those who are chosen before the foundation of the world (as the Scriptures clearly teach) IN CHRIST, but not ACTUATED until the time in each person's life
"“This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.” (1 John 3:10)
If John tells one of God's created children that he is not a child of God, do you actually think that he means what you are suggesting, or do you think that he's a Jew making metaphor work in his system of language flux? When Jesus said to Peter, "Get thee behind me Satan", should we think of Peter as Satan literally, or as one acting like, i.e., in nature. My point is: you are rendering these writers as if they are a modern, and that's a mistake.
@theNCGstudios - I'm doing no such thing. This has been the traditional understanding from the beginning. Context dictates how a verse is translated. Notice how you aren't actually addressing the verses at all, but only making assertions? Typical cult behaviour. We don't believe that we've the right to divorce the Scriptures from one another, nor to ignore any of them, no matter if they make us uncomfortable, or render difficulties to our position. You treat them like a wax nose.
It's rather strange that you have little interest in the author's intent, but then again, that's the Protestant's badge of honor. So, am I one who was made alive with Christ 2000 years ago, or not? Did God actually quicken us together with Christ 2000 years ago, or do we need to do something to correct Paul's theology?
@theNCGstudios - Um. Yeah. I have absolute interest in the author's intent, which is why I don't ignore the CONTEXT. No, you are not one made alive then or even now. You are still dead in your sins. And I've already addressed what Paul is talking about, but you're too busy foisting your opinion on Scripture rather than believing them WHOLLY.
@theNCGstudios - After watching your video (your only video) I see where you're coming from, and why you say what you say. You have utter disregard for the God who has revealed Himself through the Scriptures of both OT and NT, and in the Person of Jesus Christ. I ask everyone to go to theNCGstudios and watch the video. Those who know God will be filled with righteous indignation at this antichrist.
If you want to delight yourself in sound-byte theology, delight yourself, but if at some point, you actually want to chat about the Read and exam the text without the ball and chain synthetics of metalanguage gone wild, Protestant gloss, let us know. For there is nothing worse than being the parrot of a system so poor, i.e., if you really want to know something about God. I hope to hear from you soon, but if I don't, we will all remain together in Him. May God help us think soberly.
@theNCGstudios - You may sit & think yourself wise & "sober" all you wish, as you demean the Scriptures of the OT, which Christ quoted extensively (because it's His Word!), & which He never once negated. Your wicked video is filled with lies & misrepresentation from beginning to end. In classic cult manner, you elevate your false doctrine by bringing doubt upon the Scriptures. The children of darkness are made manifest. Call it parroting all you want, as you parrot your father, the Devil.
@theNCGstudios - When God tells one group of sinners (the Jews, whom He chose out of all the nations, leaving the rest of the nations to their idols) to punish another group of sinners (aforementioned idolators), it's an instant display of both His justice, & of His mercy. God is always just when He punishes sinners for their sins. None of these people were innocent, not even the infants. ALL infants grow up to be sinners, justly deserving God's wrath and curse.
Do you think that this is just: "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod, and the slave dies under his abuse,the owner must be punished. However, if the slave can stand up after a day or two, the owner should not be punished because he is his owner's property. (Exo 21:20-21 CSB)
@theNCGstudios - Of course it's just. God gave ground rules (which were miles above those practiced by other cultures) on the treatment of those in the covenant community in particular, whether bond or free. Those whom Israel conquered, on occasion were permitted to take from them slaves and/or wives, though other times, all, including animals, and even burning the treasures was commanded, BECAUSE God is God, & has a right to do with His own property as He wills.
@theNCGstudios - I suppose you thought you were dealing with some milquetoast evangellyfish without an understanding of the Scriptures, who finds himself astonished that a thrice-holy God would render just punishment upon His wicked servants, even at the hands of equally guilty sinners?
There's no difference between the God of the OT & the God of the NT; both are the triune God, the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit; as it was in the beginning, is now, & ever shall be, world without end. Amen!
I really don't understand why you want to applaud yourself, but then again, you have applauded the worst kind insanity: infanticide, genocide, slavery, and the Jephthah Burning His Daughter Kind of Theology. However, I do think that you're cowering to Protestantism, but I don't think you need to--you seem to be too intelligent for that kind of nonsense. If you want some help, reply. May God bless.
@theNCGstudios He made his point quite well and it as based on scripture which is contrary to most of what you ever say. Of course your only objective is to attack God's word while wearing a mask of benevolence. If you had a proper view of man and a proper view of God then you wouldn't be in the spiritual ditch you're in now.
Why is it wrong to question what clay said God said? If one forces the Protestant canon to blend, or the other extant canons to blend, one has to ignore the intent and the language of the authors in favor of the synthetics of systematic theology. For instance, target-sensitive pericopae lose if one practices the extant-melting-pot-canon-rendering method. Martin Luther committed this wrong when he wrote the Jews and Their Lies--and I would hope that you would agree.
If someone from the KKK makes an argument for slavery, how can reasonable people call that good, or sane? The only ones who would applaud such an argument would be those who are of a KKK mindset. The same is true for stegokitty. His answers were only tickling for your kind of ears because you have a Protestant ear, but for others, we find his support of infanticide, genocide, and slavery to be mad, insane, and sinful.
@theNCGstudios No, I have a born again ears and while God does things that go against my sinful nature I don't have the nerve to question Him or try and change His word to fit the god of my imagination like you do. Your thinking is the result of being dead in your sins.
God gave me that birth also, but it does not mean that we should not be honest about the many problems of/with the source language documents. For they have more spurious issues than not, but this does in no way nullify what God has done for you and others. So, I'm thankful for a God who chooses to be so kind to both of us, and yet so patient to put up with us all.
@theNCGstudios Well too bad your message doesn't match that birth otherwise I might believe you. I'd say based on your words that your birth is from below.
One of these days you will like me. And that day will be soon. For I do think that you are far too intelligent to be stuck in something that can't compare to your true sense of honesty. You are so much better at thinking than the Protestant hermeneutic allows, and you know it. Btw, I would still like to hear a riff from a 56 strat, and I would hope that stegokitty would do some nice bass. Just a thought.
@theNCGstudios It's not a matter of "liking you" it's a matter of hating your false doctrine. I hate the thought of you going to Hell or anyone who listens to you and I will oppose what you say with all of my heart.
I think that your opposition will change in about two years, i.e., at the time that we start releasing our work, a project at a time, into the public stream. Until then, keep an open mind and pray that God will open ours. We do want the best Read, and we are excited about what the future holds. May God bless, and thanks for caring.
@theNCGstudios If your so-called "information" is so earth shttering then why wait for 2 years? Why not go public now, I mean if it's true then it's true? How 'bout you organize a debate with a biblical scholar and put your money where your mouth is? I mean a real scholar too, not some 2 bit chump that acts as a strawman for you.
@theNCGstudios - Again Jesus never negated anything written in the OT, but rather quoted it extensively. He should -- He spoke them!
Just a little more something to make you squirm: Jesus in Mark 7, when begged by the Syrophonecian woman to heal her child of an unclean spirit, Jesus replies "Is it right to take what belongs to the CHILDREN, and give it to the DOGS?" She acknowledges that she's the dog in question, by saying "But even the little dogs feed from crumbs dropped from the table."
I really think that the metalanguage gloss is confusing you here, but then again, I might be misunderstanding your intent; it's what clay does at times. Nevertheless, (for clarification) are you saying that Jesus called this lady a dog, and when the dog spoke with such wisdom, the demons were gone? My point is: Do you think that Jesus was using terminology to teach the dog, or as a teaching point to make his disciples a little jealous that a woman called a dog had such great wisdom?
@theNCGstudios - It has nothing to do with "great wisdom" on the woman's part, & you're missing the point again. Christ, in accordance to the language of the covenant people, who characteristically referred to Gentiles (those outside the covenant) as "dogs", didn't refrain from using the language Himself. Christ also didn't speak out against slavery. Notice that His teaching through Paul only suggests getting free, if possible, but otherwise to remain obedient to their masters.
Defenders of Rob Bell here, do the same thing all defenders of false teachers do--- defend the person, without showing any Scriptural support for their teaching. You are more zealous for the teacher, than for upholding the purity of the Word. You honor a man, above God's Word. Shame on you.
this guy Rob bell is a servant of the Devil. Its like he has a hatered of the world of GOD. He is making a mockery of GODs word in this recording,,, he is deliberately trying to derail GODs church,,,,he has to be a paid illuminati shill...this is deliberate heresy its not accidental,,,,he actually hates the Bible,,,you can tell by his tone and his actions,,,why would someone be a pastor who hates the Bible? bc hes a paid illuminati shill!,,,he is a mocker and scoffer
contemplate for a minute and center every brain cells into this critic's statement. I suppose science, which is absolutely incompatible with religion, is actually a byproduct of religion. That being said, religion causes incompatibility within itself.
This is nothing but a FALSE, CONVENIENT gospel to please the masses and embrace every SIN....We are commanded to love all, and pray for everyone's salvation, but there canNOT be any compromise, I hope these convoluted leaders enjoy their short time of fame, that's what this is all about!
God bless Rob Bell for his courageous stance. Four years ago, as a seminary-trained evangelical Christian, I was challenged to research reincarnation -- and what I found turned my life upside-down. After reading 40 books, and hundreds of hours of biblical and scientific research, I launched a website to help Christians understand how things got so far afield. Check out Reincarnation Truth dot com
The ratioi between "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" on this video is more evidence that "cafeteria Christianity" has gone a long way toward replacing the genuine, blblical article in this culture.
Kudos to Pirate Christian Radio. Avast, ye scurvy Pietists and heretics! ;)
Rob Bell is what is wrong with Christianity today. It is apostate. Universalism is now everywhere, WITHIN the Church. This is what the NWO "One World Religion" coming from the UN is promoting, i.e. Universalism. ALL religions lead to God.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Matthew 7:13 ... and broad is the way, that leades to destruction and many therein enter.
Please tell me how Rob Bell is leading people astray from the Bible? Please stop bashing other ministers and dividing the church even more. Thanks. That's something that Rob Bell doesn't do. Think about this sir
@landisjam Rob Bell is the one who causes division by preaching false doctrine.
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them." - Romans 16:17
And yes, Rob Bell does "bash" other ministers. He "bashes" those who do street evangelism and those who preach about the doctrine of God's judgement.
@madguitarist1400 NO one is bashing him! it's called discermment!O i guess you would know that if you actually read the bible you would know that what he is say doesn't line with the bible!!!!!! it's water down!!so read your bible that way you'll know what is true and is false..and i'am not trying to be mean iam just think people need to hear the truth...God bless you
@hellokitty35100 I agree, people need to hear the truth. I suggest doing a thorough study of the new testament in its original language. Also, I don't think you have a very good understanding of what Rob Bell is actually saying.
@bobwaters He's not denying the teaching of Scripture. He's re-examining the way that heaven and hell were viewed before the renaissance-era catholic church decided to turn Christianity into a business. Lol...
Actually, centering yourself and focusing on the word of God sounds like a very positive thing. If it takes group meditation on the word then so be it. He's obviously obeying God and helping the masses focus on the truths in the Bible that can breathe life into our personal and spiritual lives. You're just commenting on his words yet it's just a different approach. I've been to Mars Hill in Grand Rapids many times and have never been more engaged with the Bible until then. Entirely relevant
@landisjam No, what he's doing is denying the Faith Once Delivered to the Saints. He preaches lies that are opposed to what's in the Bible. That's the whole problem. The Faith has content. Really.
@bobwaters Amen to that. But as believers we should lean to guidance by the Holy Spirit, not to the spirit of deception or leaning unto our own understanding.
If you do not understand his attitude or his teachings that is one thing, but you are just blatantly disrespectful and I doubt you even try to understand. Yes, he is a bit strange. Yes, this may not be the "voice of your shepherd" that you are used to. But since when did you completely and emphatically understand EVERYTHING about God? He will always be at least a bit mysterious and new voices aren't necessarily a bad thing.
What happens to you when you die? Have you ever told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you are a liar, thief, and a blasphemer. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin. The bible says you'll end up in Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death, burial & resurrection) for the forgiveness of your sins, you'll not perish & have eternal life!
hmmm. maybe you research a little more about childbirth and the possible effects that an epidural might have on a the child? your comment was grossly out-of-place and uninformed.
@tegimr Indeed this fellow @appledapathy is grossly out of place as member of the human race. Don't be fooled by his claims to be a Christian, his views couldn't be more opposed to Jesus of Nazareth's if he was a Satan worshipper. Wait, that's demeaning Satanists, most of whom are far more civil and well mannered than him. In fact @appledapathy would tell you that Harry Potter is the Devil! I'm not kidding.
Actually social welfare is God's plan, not the liberals. Libertarians oppose it because they oppose God. You obviously do not know the bible so what's the point of arguing it with you? I do not know what age if you actually are, but it doesn't matter, your mental age is around 2. And "'Eunuchs' has nothing to do with homosexuality"? What a gormless legalist! You must also think "bread" is just "bread" just like the disciples did, and Jesus then just said to them/you "Are you SO DULL"?!
You really went on for 3 hours? You are a hate filled waste of time. Wanna play the "where's the scriptural precedent game", my self righteous friend? When did Jesus parse his opponents words to mock and ridicule them like a cheap morning drive time knock off? There is a precedent in scripture for your behavior, and they were indeed called dogs.
@appledapathy “the murder of millions of babies” sends them straight to heaven guaranteeing their salvation as opposed to libertarians/conservatrons who'll be spending eternity in hell. Babies are far better off with God than in this World, only idolaters would disagree. This existence is not the true life at all, it is a “vanity of vanities”, and only the Vain would say that parent's love is equal to or better than God's love. To miss this life is to miss nothing -unless you're hedonising.
@appledapathy I'm not liberal, I accept foetuses are human, and I respect liberals for being more righteous than Conservatrons. Liberals, not being believers, say foetuses have no soul. I doubt you have any memories of the womb either, and if you do, you'll recall you had no free will at that point. As for “do not kill”, you are being typically simplistic, because then the Israelites went off to slaughter innocent babies on masse, all of it sanctioned by God because He is not a Legalist.
Amen! Thank-you for standing up for our LORD JESUS CHRIST! As followers of the faith, we must in all situations give a reason for the hope that we have. We must preach in and out of season! Those who turn others away from sin~shall be as bright as the stars in the heavens! No other name given under heaven...JESUS by which you must be saved~if you say you are christian, then this is what you must believe!
if you wanted to refute this man, you would state your facts. you have done nothing but show your pride and ignorance...as most "traditional christians" do. Let TRUTH prevail
You know what weird there was this guy whose name was Paul and he went to this city called Athens you know what he did? He walked through the temple and started learning stuff about all the religions there and then he used that to tell the Gospel, he embraced the culture talked and debated with them. He went into the temples and used that to start a church in Athens.(Acts 17:16-34) Maybe you mean bullies should read that before harshly criticizing Rob Bell.
Rob Bell is a real Christian, where as you're just a Right Wing Conservatron Lunatic who appeals to Hell. You'll be going to Hell yourself! If Hell doesn't exist, I'm sure God will make one just for you and all the other Legalists.
@Shojahan I dont think God cares if you are Right or Left wing. What he does care about is Ignorant still born Christians like you going on Youtube attacking Christians for there political beliefs you moron.
@appledapathy No, because then you would be self-condemned. God does condemn them however because you can't be a Christian and a conservative at the same time. The systems of values are opposed to each other.
@Shojahan You cant be a liberal and be a christian then, because Liberals support abortion and homosexuality. I dont approve of homosexuality but I accept it. Libertarians own both of you. Conservatives and Liberals are two sides to the same coin. You are just to ignorant for words man.
@appledapathy I'm afraid Jesus owns both conservatives and libertarians, because he disendorsed 'traditional family values' at every turn. As for gays, he said “some men are born eunuchs, some are made that way” allowing for both nature and nurture. As for social welfare, we told not to ignore “the widow, the orphan and the alien” and many others are spiritually lame and cripple, unable to sustain themselves. Libertarianism is justification for Greed and Pride. Jesus always paid his taxes
@Shojahan Eunuchs has nothing to do with homosexuality. And you are wrong about libertarians I can tell you are about 13 and have no understanding of Politics. There is fiscally conservative and liberal libertarians moron. You are just another blind lead by the blind. And if you leave taking care of those people to the government you do everything the bible teaches against. You arent helping them you are relying on the wealthy class to take care of them, you should do it yourself. Ye Hypocrites
@Shojahan And you still didnt say anything about abortions. YOU SUPPORT THEM. GOOD JOB YOU KILL MILLIONS BABIES, HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY, IM SURE JESUS LOVES ABORTIONS.
@appledapathy I actually wrote some 500 characters about it, but I forgot you are illiterate. Yes of course Jesus loves abortions, it means all those souls get to immediately guarantee their salvation and go to heaven to be with him instead of being stuck down here to grow up and be lead by bilnd guide right wing lunatics pretending to 'harmless' liberterians. You pity them? Loser, they pity you. "The righteous are taken away so that may be spared". Eat it.
@appledapathy No you certainly can not argue Christianity with me because you are the same kind of Legalistic Religious Traditionalist who had Christ crucified. You can not argue Christianity with me because you have hijacked Jesus to try and validate your evil political ideology which is opposed to Christ in every way. You can not argue Christianity with me because you wish to abolish welfare and repeal civil rights. You can not argue because you can not be both a Libertarian and Christian.
@appledapathy You sir are Illiterate if you could not read that I did say straight marriage is permissible, indeed “all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial”. Marriage is permitted as a concession for the weak, but is a distraction from the Kingdom. That is why Jesus rejected motherhood and domesticity as a woman's destiny and instead called for discipleship. You know nothing of Scripture. You might not be Mormon, but take away one letter and you sir, are a Moron.
@appledapathy If you demand gays to be celibate, then you better be so yourself. If you insist you may marry because it is legally permitted in Scripture but they can't because it's not, you only legally correct, and so you're the same Pharisaic Legalistic Hypocrite that Jesus condemned. What kind of Libertarian is telling others who they can marry and who they can't anyway? Answer: One who's really just another Right Wing Conservative Lunatic who's trying to act like he's above the fray.
@Shojahan Honestly have you even read the Bible? Being Gay is not natural and it disgusts god, check out sodom and gomorrah lol. You are a heretic at its finest. The Law is still in effect Jesus did not come to destroy it but fulfill it use your head and pick up a bible send me a message and skype me so you can argue this to my face and I will destroy you theologically because you have nothing to stand on. You are a pathetic excuse for a christian if you even call yourself that.
@appledapathy Skype? I fear your face might have turned as ugly as your heart, and when you open your mouth to 'refute' me, only a burst of hot air will come out followed by a torrent of pea-green bile. Theologically I have Jesus to stand on -you only have “traditions of men”, and right-wing lunatic men at that. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being who is no Christian, but has merely hijacked the name of Jesus to try and validate your demented views. Sorry, that hijacked plane won't fly.
@appledapathy What does disgust God is when right-wing lunatics like you project their own hatred & bigotry onto God, “You thought I was altogether like you...but I will rebuke you to your face.” You'd top the Pharisees when it comes to committing Legalistic Heresy. The Law has been fulfilled by Christ no less, and so we are “ambassadors for Christ” not the Law. Interestingly, research shows that one is “disgusted” as you, then 99% of the time they turn out to be gay themselves! Congrats lol!
@appledapathy Gayness itself does not disgust God, Jesus said they “are born that way or made that way by men”. So it can be nature or nurture, which means it's not their fault either way. Practising sexual immorality is the sin that God disapproves of, 98% of which is heterosexual immorality, so I guessing you must be disgusted with yourself. The point of Sodom & Gommorah is the gang rape to compare with the Benjamites at the end of Judges, which was HETEROSEXUAL gang rape all night long.
@appledapathy Um..yes, unlike you I've actually read the whole bible, and not just the part before Jesus turned up to spoil the Religious Traditionalist party, I take it you haven't got that far yet? And the real bible too, not the RLV, Revised Lunatic Version. So let me educate you: Jesus did said “some men can be born that way”, and Jesus' authority is higher than Moses' and Paul's. As for appeal to “natural”, no one's sexuality is as God intended, everyone's has been corrupted by the Fall.
@Shojahan Provide scriptural evidence then. And not a loose interpretation, a legitimate verse in context talking about gays and Jesus saying men are born that way. Show it in scriptures...
@neopetsdosuck Well my tone may be exactly the same as the Conservatron's, but they have demonstrated through their own rhetoric that anyone who does not communicate at this level will be drowned out by their own gormless shrieking and Tea Party hysteria. I do not consider them to be 'bros' in Christ as their teachings are of the devil. Hijacking Jesus to validate their lunatic ideologies does not legitimise them one bit.
Listening to this radio host irritated me... I endured the whole 3 hrs and was hoping to hear some intelligent critique. Instead all I heard was self righteousness arrogance packaged in religious language. Chris' mind-numbing, 'tribe'ophobic sarcasm and constant 'word' nit-picking was immature and didn't 'serve' as I hoped it would. Quite sad really... woof!
Listening to this radio host irritated me... I endured the whole 3 hrs and was hoping to hear some intelligent critique. Instead all I heard was self righteousness arrogance packaged in religious language. His 'tribe'ophobic sarcasm and 'word' nit-picking didn't help his cause much either. Quite sad really... woof!
Listening to this radio host irritated me... I endured the whole 3 hrs and was hoping to hear some intelligent critique. Instead all I heard was self righteousness arrogance packaged in religious language. His 'tribe'ophobic sarcasm and 'word' nit-picking didn't help his cause much either. Quite sad really... woof!
ok. I have been watching videos about this pastor, trying to find out what's the matter with his teachings. Now I got it. "We center ourselves." That's that. I believe he's got it wrong. But I'll keep looking
Ok, so Rob Bell's way are unorthodox...wait...I remember someone who was completely unorthodox...what's His name...oh it was JESUS! He did CRAZY UNORTHODOX things like telling people that they should give up all their riches if they really want to follow God, hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors and healing people during the sabath. And He got crucified for it! Why don't you concentrate your time and effort on the lost and less on putting down fellow Christians...God bless you!
@EuphoricAdventures There is a difference between being unorthodox and going against the basic teachings of the Bible. Rob Bell is a universalist, not matter how he disguises it, he believes hell is not eternal, and that goes directly against what Jesus and Paul taught about the fires that never go out. If we do not expose false teachings, then who will? Many babes in Christ may get misled by them, it is the duty of the elders and those who know the truth to point out blatant lies.
@EuphoricAdventures We center ourselves? The ongoing creation of what? Where does he get those words? Why does he speak like so not Bible? Why does he have to sound cool? Why can't he just answer a question and not ask more questions? Or answer questions with questions?
I have been studying the original text in the Bible for years aside from church influence and have come to the same points as Rob Bell before knowing about him. I am a historian and can also see many churches today follow erroneous medieval interpretations rather than the original church orthodoxy. I am ready to stand for truth and so are many. And the truth shall set you free. In love.
I'm not a fan of all that Rob Bell does/says, but I find myself wanting to defend him from this host at times, because he is just plain obnoxious and shows absolutely no grace and is very sarcastic and condescending. This host is typical of the type of people that turn people off to Christianity.
I stopped listening 3 minutes in. This guy starts ripping apart Bell for trying to get his congregation in a comtemplative frame of mind, which is borderline offensive. Think about it; he's actually mocking people trying to open their hearts and minds to be receptive to God. If you're wondering why guys like Bell are becoming popular, it's because of people like this.
bella50008 - I don't believe that for one second. Prayer is communication with the Almighty; communication involves listening as much as speaking and comes in many different forms. I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of vain repetition, which for me is moving your mouth without your heart behind your words; it's the appearance of prayer without any substance - essentially a hollow gesture. It is condemned because it is solely about outward appearances - remember the pharisees?
I have a hard time getting anything out of this since I couldn't get past the way you pick on his prayer. From your content here, it comes off as very spiteful and self-righteous. I tried real hard to listen to this all the way through, but you don't pose any objections to what he is saying, but just that you would say it different. Maybe you should focus on just the primary argument against him and not every analogy or adjective. You come off a little like a jerk.
I have a hard time getting anything out of this since I couldn't get past the way you pick on his prayer. From your content here, it comes off as very spiteful and self-righteous. I tried real hard to listen to this all the way through, but you don't pose any objections to what he is saying, but just that you would say it different. Maybe you should focus on just the primary argument against him and not every analogy or adjective. You come off a little like a jerk.
Look, regardless of whether we approve of what Bell says or not the last thing we want to do is argue about it. Sure, we should test what everyone says by both praying and rationally looking at the evidence, but we shouldn't insult people, especially a brother in christ, because of what they say.
Rob do not let the religious get you down. They do not understand what God's love is and that love has reconciled all to himself. They will understand one day. This guy says he is our servant but believes that our Father will burn us to a crisp if we screw up. They do not believe in the same God we know and love.
@ulmcnevins Are you kidding? Rob Bell is the epitome of "religious", packaged into 21st century garb. What a stupid analogy..."burn you to a crisp if you screw up"? No wonder the world thinks christians are stupid.
@gtrjunky Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. It is stupid to believe that God will ..."burn you to a crisp if you screw up"? We are told not to do harm to our neighbor but you better watch out or Jesus will getch yah!
"No wonder the world thinks christians are stupid." Great statement as anyone that thinks that way is stupid!
@ulmcnevins Way to rip that verse out of context. I realize your god isn't Holy and perfect so it has to adhere to those human standards but the GOD of scripture can do what He wishes with His creation. Like I said, no wonder the world thinks christians are stupid.
@gtrjunky You are my neighbor so loving is knowing that you to will come to the knowledge of what Love truely is. Love --- God does not harm anyone or anything. Read the chapter on Charity and tell me that God would ask us to love our nieghbor but He will fry you in hell because of your ignorance. This is man's foolishness at it's highest level.
@ulmcnevins I would guess that your god doesn't harm anyone much like the golden calf wouldn't bite anyone. I have read that chapter and all of the other ones around it and all of those instructions are for fallen men not a Holy and just GOD.
Ok so I kept listening. It didn't get any better. It's all a whole lot of horn tooting. Maybe this guy has something good to say or a real revelation about Rob Bell being a hypocrite, but it's drowned out by the noise of his horn! Dear Lane, remove yourself from the conversation and let truth stand unshakable by nature instead of lashing out at people you believe are wrong under the guise of "fighting for the faith". Here's a challenge for you: stop listening to sermons and be quiet before God.
@TheErocafella Thank you. It is absolutely....difficult.....to listen to minutes and minutes of judgmental, immature, self-righteous criticism on the first few seconds of ANYONE'S prayer (or anyTHING for that matter). It makes it extremely difficult to take anything else this guy has to say as holding any water when you already are so bombarded by his harsh attitude. I made it to ten and a half minutes.
@TheErocafella Thank you. It is absolutely....difficult.....to listen to minutes and minutes of judgmental, immature, self-righteous criticism on the first few seconds of ANYONE'S prayer (or anyTHING for that matter). It makes it extremely difficult to take anything else this guy has to say as holding any water when you already are so bombarded by his harsh attitude. I made it to ten and a half minutes.
OK, i made it through about 7 minutes of this. In one breath he is criticizing Rob Bell about "centering", and how the concept is not mentioned in the Bible, and in the very next breath, talking about an epidural injection as "God's gift:. I dont recall ever reading that in the Bible either. Rosenbrough needs to get off this personal vendetta that is clearly evident.. Looking to rebuke someone, try the sandwich approach. Good/bad/good. its more believable.
I agree with others who have alluded to the poor taste and private agenda of the guy who made this. What a joke. I know who I would rather listen too.The whole concept of centering is pretty easy to find in scripture..........if the guy could look beyond the words to the concepts/principles. Isaiah 26.3thou dost keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee...........for starters. This guy is a pharisee, Jesus 's enemies were the religious, not the sick. Shameful work here.
@ulmcnevins You see, when the bible tells us to love and not harm it is because we are not Holy and perfect. God has the right to kill and destroy His creation because it belongs to Himn and since man has rebelled against Him, all men deserve justice and death. When we take it upon ourselves, we stand in the judgement seat of the only ONE qualified to sit in it. That is why we must forgive because we are not God.
@ulmcnevins The god of universalism is just another worthless, dumb, mute idol fashioned in the playground of man's vivid, corrupt imagination because man cannot tolerate a sovereign GOD who does what He wills. Instead man must have a god that does what man wills; a god that thinks and acts like fallen, sinful man!
Chris Rosebrough's discernment ministry does so much to expose the false prophets of our age and open our eyes to wolves in sheep's clothing. Thank God for men like him.
@n00bie51 That may be the case and I certainly think there are many to expose.......but Rob Bell aint one of them. Discernment can get carried away sometime and be a bit like looking for reds under the bed.....
@gtrjunky Sheesh it's scary seeing my name there as if I am saying this..thankfully its gtrjunky. I totally agree that there is lack of discernment out there...............and I too emphasisise the word LACK........it seems that the people who think they have the monopoly on discernment or who are most right, as if top say 'thankyou Lord that I am not like this man'...maybe the ones who are really scary. AND yes I agree Rob Bell needs to be exposed so more people can hear his message..........
@theBlindPoetNz Yep, they have. And now that this wolf has been exposed, his teachings can go down the crapper with all the other liberal losers of the past.
@gtrjunky Gosh here we have it again, down the crapper, liberal losers...........mate a re read of the manual may do your attitudes and speech some good, then people may actually listen to what you have to say...........your tone and attitudes are speaking louder than your words, as is the original guy in this clip. There's plenty about meaning less arguments being a waste of time, but really it's fun seeing what's going to come out of your heart next. I bet you have a lot of diverse friends.
@theBlindPoetNz Rob Bell is teaching that God will melt peoples' hearts in the end and that everyone will go to Heaven, and Hell is a place people make for themselves when they refuse to accept God's love. Read Galatians 1:8-9. Chris Rosebrough actually only does this out of love and genuine concern for the Body of Christ and for Rob Bell's soul; that's his real "agenda." If you're going to call that Pharisaical, call me a Pharisee, too.
@theBlindPoetNz I would expect no less vitriolic personal attack and insult from some bible believing American who cannot understand why the rest of the world dislikes them.You take it from a level of debate to personal attack..I see it so much here. You can only see when you know what you can't see, hence the BLIND, I know I see shadows and totally miss things sometimes, as opposed to you......you know you see everything. Who does Jesus say will see the kingdom of God.,check that out
I found myself quite frustrated during this critique, at both parties. At Bell, for rambling and taking forever to get to a point. And at PCR, for interrupting Bell mid-sentence for commentary (instead of waiting for a natural lull), thus making it *even harder* to figure out where Bell was going. I think a better format (better for my blood pressure) would be to summarize Bell's sermon, play only the most relevant clips, and link to the entirety of Bell's sermon elsewhere.
heartoftheashes 2 days ago
I don't know this Rob Bell and don't have enough time to spend watching the video, but if anybody wants to know what's hypocritical? These self-proclaimed Christians that bash Harry Potter and say it promotes witchcraft and Satanism, but don't go after Bewitched for the SAME "witchcraft" promoting, Satanism etc. just because it's from their generation. Now that's a double standard. Or Sabrina the Teenage Witch for that matter.
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Why do so many Christians get angry when they have a different belief than another Christian? They use all CAPS and sometimes call names. They tell the person they are headed for Hell and God will judge them. Why not love and state your case but do it in a graceful way? It's no wonder so many people don't want anything to do with Christianity. Jesus is amazing but His followers, not so much.
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whatthehellbook 4 months ago
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Is he a Christian? Well, since he professes Jesus Christ as his Savior I'd say yes. Since when is it your job to judge whether or not someone is a Christian? That's right, it's not...
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alyssafaithbaer 5 months ago
@qtrfurby funny how you reply with a junk account dead give away there/
captbullhorn 5 months ago
interesting preacher. i would like to find it somewhere without that shitty-witty comments...
agnesator 6 months ago
Rob Bell is a good man; he isn't perfect, but God thinks of him as being a wonderful person. So, try to be kind to Bell; he may not be real smart, but he's one asking some good questions, and Rob Bell certainly deserves God's love and support like we all do.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
Why are you questioning Bell's christianity?
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Shouldn't Rob Bell's christianity be questioned?
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
Why would you want to question what Christ did for Rob Bell? Rob Bell deserves the love of God; Bell also deserves God's support and security: it's what good Fathers give their children.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios Actually Rob Bell DOESN'T deserve the love of God and neither do you or anyone else. This is why you're "theology" collapses because you think highly of man and poorly of the One True God. Your god doesn't count.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Well you hit the nail right on the head. You think Rob Bell DESERVES the love of God? No one DESERVES the love of God! The only thing anyone DESERVES is God's wrath and curse for our sins. The love of God is not obligatory. It's called mercy. And as soon as you think mercy is obligatory, then you're not talking about mercy.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitt,
I think good fathers will support their children; they owe this to their children. Good fathers will love their children always, and yes they are obligated to provide for their children. Good fathers do not leave and forsake their children when they do wrong, but if they did leave and forsake their children for this reason or others, then we could not call them good fathers. My point is simple: children deserve the love, the support, and the security that their fathers can provide.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Ah, another false premise, that everyone is a child of God. Nothing could be further from the truth. Christ describes those outside the covenant as "children of wrath", "children of the devil", etc. God's children DO receive (though they do not deserve) God's love & care. Those who are not God's children receive what they deserve, His wrath. Jesus spoke more on this fact than He did on Heaven. The Scriptures are clear. Ignore them to your own peril & that of your children.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
You are spinning the metalanguage gloss of theology and feeling as if you are using wisdom; that's poor, but it's really not what we are discussing here. Nevertheless, I would really doubt that God's created children are just those who believe what Protestants spin, but then again, you seem to care less about His created children and only concerned in focus on what you spin as the elite: those who believe the right thing--which is rather a troubled synthetic of theology.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - What I believe is what Christ and His Apostles clearly taught. I don't believe I have the right to mess around with it, as you apparently do. This is the Faith once delivered. Yours is an aberration, heresy, and damnable heresy.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
I don't think that making people feel as if they are not God's created children is what Christ, or His apostles taught/did, but unfortunately, your bias doesn't allow for God's created children in conversation . So, in brief, you do well in parroting the metalanguage of Protestantism's theology, but you are not being honest about/with the Read. May God bless.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - That's utter nonsense. The READ says precisely what I've been saying: "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God"( John 1:2); "The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we [those in covenant with Christ ACCORDING TO THE CONTEXT!] are children of God" (Rom 8:16); I've tons more where those came from, but that should even be sufficient. I paraphrased other Scriptures previously, but you've addressed none.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
If Paul argued that "[God] made us alive with Christ", i.e., made us alive spiritually with Christ 2000 years ago, and it judicially met the prerequisites for "it is by grace you have been saved" in Eph. 2:5, and he it did, and if Paul utilized this verse to define verse 8, and he did, then how could any person meet the conditions for which Paul argued, but Christ 2000 years ago?
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - You're misinterpreting "us". The Scriptures utterly deny your inclusion of all men irrespectively as "us". Only those who are IN CHRIST are the "us" of Paul's (and all the apostles) teaching, as well as the teaching of the OT. So all the rest of your rambling is irrelevant. You're IGNORING Scripture that blatantly speaks of the difference between those in covenant with God, & those not. Jesus said "you do not believe BECAUSE you are not my Sheep, but of your father the Devil.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
Your avoidance of Ephesians 2:5 is typical, but I would hope that someday that you would give it some more thought. May God bless, and we do love you very much.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - I haven't avoided anything. And there's no need to fill your response with utter lies. You don't love me, nor do I desire the love of this world (as this is where you hail). You are not in Christ, for if you were you'd know Who He is, and wouldn't be having this bizarre difficulty with His Word. Only the wicked believe that all men are saved irregardless of faith in Christ.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Look at the context: Paul is talking TO Christians, a CHURCH; He says that WE (God's children) once walked among THEM (not God's children); that the spirit of disobedience is at work in THEM; that like THEM, WE were once also deserving of wrath for our sins, but because of God's love for US, WE are made alive (not THEM), and seated US in the heavenlies. Are you ALREADY ACTUALLY seated in the heavenlies (I ask this rhetorically since you're still amongst THEM)?
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
Allow me to rephrase: If Paul's usage of the aorist-singular verb συνεζωοποίησεν works in a time-sensitive concert with τῷ Χριστῷ, then how could any person meet the conditions for which Paul argued, but Christ 2000 years ago? So, your missing the point of Paul's writings and John's.
I hope this helps. And may God bless.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Again, it matters not one bit about dissecting the Scriptures if you have the premise wrong in the first place. It's like Arians attempting to disprove the deity of Christ by nit-picking how an isolated phrase is used. YOU'RE missing the point. The "us" in the Scriptures is speaking of those in Christ, NOT those outside.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
I should have asked you. Were you made alive with Christ 2000 years ago, or is this still pending some type of belief on your part? If it's pending, Paul didn't know what he was talking about.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Paul is speaking in the same vein as how Christ was "crucified from the foundation of the world". It is decreetive language. Christ was not ACTUALLY crucified at the foundation of the world. But it was decreed that He would be, at the right time (as the Scriptures plainly teach) which was about 2K ago. The same has to do with those who are chosen before the foundation of the world (as the Scriptures clearly teach) IN CHRIST, but not ACTUATED until the time in each person's life
stegokitty 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Oh, and just to make your teeth grind:
"“This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.” (1 John 3:10)
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
If John tells one of God's created children that he is not a child of God, do you actually think that he means what you are suggesting, or do you think that he's a Jew making metaphor work in his system of language flux? When Jesus said to Peter, "Get thee behind me Satan", should we think of Peter as Satan literally, or as one acting like, i.e., in nature. My point is: you are rendering these writers as if they are a modern, and that's a mistake.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - I'm doing no such thing. This has been the traditional understanding from the beginning. Context dictates how a verse is translated. Notice how you aren't actually addressing the verses at all, but only making assertions? Typical cult behaviour. We don't believe that we've the right to divorce the Scriptures from one another, nor to ignore any of them, no matter if they make us uncomfortable, or render difficulties to our position. You treat them like a wax nose.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
It's rather strange that you have little interest in the author's intent, but then again, that's the Protestant's badge of honor. So, am I one who was made alive with Christ 2000 years ago, or not? Did God actually quicken us together with Christ 2000 years ago, or do we need to do something to correct Paul's theology?
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Um. Yeah. I have absolute interest in the author's intent, which is why I don't ignore the CONTEXT. No, you are not one made alive then or even now. You are still dead in your sins. And I've already addressed what Paul is talking about, but you're too busy foisting your opinion on Scripture rather than believing them WHOLLY.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - After watching your video (your only video) I see where you're coming from, and why you say what you say. You have utter disregard for the God who has revealed Himself through the Scriptures of both OT and NT, and in the Person of Jesus Christ. I ask everyone to go to theNCGstudios and watch the video. Those who know God will be filled with righteous indignation at this antichrist.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegok,
If you want to delight yourself in sound-byte theology, delight yourself, but if at some point, you actually want to chat about the Read and exam the text without the ball and chain synthetics of metalanguage gone wild, Protestant gloss, let us know. For there is nothing worse than being the parrot of a system so poor, i.e., if you really want to know something about God. I hope to hear from you soon, but if I don't, we will all remain together in Him. May God help us think soberly.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - You may sit & think yourself wise & "sober" all you wish, as you demean the Scriptures of the OT, which Christ quoted extensively (because it's His Word!), & which He never once negated. Your wicked video is filled with lies & misrepresentation from beginning to end. In classic cult manner, you elevate your false doctrine by bringing doubt upon the Scriptures. The children of darkness are made manifest. Call it parroting all you want, as you parrot your father, the Devil.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
Do you think that infanticide, genocide, and slavery are just?
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - When God tells one group of sinners (the Jews, whom He chose out of all the nations, leaving the rest of the nations to their idols) to punish another group of sinners (aforementioned idolators), it's an instant display of both His justice, & of His mercy. God is always just when He punishes sinners for their sins. None of these people were innocent, not even the infants. ALL infants grow up to be sinners, justly deserving God's wrath and curse.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
Do you think that this is just: "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod, and the slave dies under his abuse,the owner must be punished. However, if the slave can stand up after a day or two, the owner should not be punished because he is his owner's property. (Exo 21:20-21 CSB)
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Of course it's just. God gave ground rules (which were miles above those practiced by other cultures) on the treatment of those in the covenant community in particular, whether bond or free. Those whom Israel conquered, on occasion were permitted to take from them slaves and/or wives, though other times, all, including animals, and even burning the treasures was commanded, BECAUSE God is God, & has a right to do with His own property as He wills.
stegokitty 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - I suppose you thought you were dealing with some milquetoast evangellyfish without an understanding of the Scriptures, who finds himself astonished that a thrice-holy God would render just punishment upon His wicked servants, even at the hands of equally guilty sinners?
There's no difference between the God of the OT & the God of the NT; both are the triune God, the Father, the Son, & the Holy Spirit; as it was in the beginning, is now, & ever shall be, world without end. Amen!
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokitty,
I really don't understand why you want to applaud yourself, but then again, you have applauded the worst kind insanity: infanticide, genocide, slavery, and the Jephthah Burning His Daughter Kind of Theology. However, I do think that you're cowering to Protestantism, but I don't think you need to--you seem to be too intelligent for that kind of nonsense. If you want some help, reply. May God bless.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios He made his point quite well and it as based on scripture which is contrary to most of what you ever say. Of course your only objective is to attack God's word while wearing a mask of benevolence. If you had a proper view of man and a proper view of God then you wouldn't be in the spiritual ditch you're in now.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@gtrjunky,
Why is it wrong to question what clay said God said? If one forces the Protestant canon to blend, or the other extant canons to blend, one has to ignore the intent and the language of the authors in favor of the synthetics of systematic theology. For instance, target-sensitive pericopae lose if one practices the extant-melting-pot-canon-rendering method. Martin Luther committed this wrong when he wrote the Jews and Their Lies--and I would hope that you would agree.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@gtrjunky,
If someone from the KKK makes an argument for slavery, how can reasonable people call that good, or sane? The only ones who would applaud such an argument would be those who are of a KKK mindset. The same is true for stegokitty. His answers were only tickling for your kind of ears because you have a Protestant ear, but for others, we find his support of infanticide, genocide, and slavery to be mad, insane, and sinful.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios No, I have a born again ears and while God does things that go against my sinful nature I don't have the nerve to question Him or try and change His word to fit the god of my imagination like you do. Your thinking is the result of being dead in your sins.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@gtrjunky,
God gave me that birth also, but it does not mean that we should not be honest about the many problems of/with the source language documents. For they have more spurious issues than not, but this does in no way nullify what God has done for you and others. So, I'm thankful for a God who chooses to be so kind to both of us, and yet so patient to put up with us all.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios Well too bad your message doesn't match that birth otherwise I might believe you. I'd say based on your words that your birth is from below.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@gtrjunky,
One of these days you will like me. And that day will be soon. For I do think that you are far too intelligent to be stuck in something that can't compare to your true sense of honesty. You are so much better at thinking than the Protestant hermeneutic allows, and you know it. Btw, I would still like to hear a riff from a 56 strat, and I would hope that stegokitty would do some nice bass. Just a thought.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios It's not a matter of "liking you" it's a matter of hating your false doctrine. I hate the thought of you going to Hell or anyone who listens to you and I will oppose what you say with all of my heart.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@gtrjunky,
I think that your opposition will change in about two years, i.e., at the time that we start releasing our work, a project at a time, into the public stream. Until then, keep an open mind and pray that God will open ours. We do want the best Read, and we are excited about what the future holds. May God bless, and thanks for caring.
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios Nope. You'll go down in history with the rest of the liars and heretics and God's truth will remain.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios If your so-called "information" is so earth shttering then why wait for 2 years? Why not go public now, I mean if it's true then it's true? How 'bout you organize a debate with a biblical scholar and put your money where your mouth is? I mean a real scholar too, not some 2 bit chump that acts as a strawman for you.
gtrjunky 6 months ago
@gtrjunky ha ha your telling people about truth?
captbullhorn 5 months ago
@gtrjunky lolz you actually are a walking contridiction.
5 bucks says he responds with a sock account.
captbullhorn 5 months ago
@theNCGstudios - Again Jesus never negated anything written in the OT, but rather quoted it extensively. He should -- He spoke them!
Just a little more something to make you squirm: Jesus in Mark 7, when begged by the Syrophonecian woman to heal her child of an unclean spirit, Jesus replies "Is it right to take what belongs to the CHILDREN, and give it to the DOGS?" She acknowledges that she's the dog in question, by saying "But even the little dogs feed from crumbs dropped from the table."
stegokitty 6 months ago
@stegokiy,
I really think that the metalanguage gloss is confusing you here, but then again, I might be misunderstanding your intent; it's what clay does at times. Nevertheless, (for clarification) are you saying that Jesus called this lady a dog, and when the dog spoke with such wisdom, the demons were gone? My point is: Do you think that Jesus was using terminology to teach the dog, or as a teaching point to make his disciples a little jealous that a woman called a dog had such great wisdom?
theNCGstudios 6 months ago
@theNCGstudios - It has nothing to do with "great wisdom" on the woman's part, & you're missing the point again. Christ, in accordance to the language of the covenant people, who characteristically referred to Gentiles (those outside the covenant) as "dogs", didn't refrain from using the language Himself. Christ also didn't speak out against slavery. Notice that His teaching through Paul only suggests getting free, if possible, but otherwise to remain obedient to their masters.
stegokitty 6 months ago
Defenders of Rob Bell here, do the same thing all defenders of false teachers do--- defend the person, without showing any Scriptural support for their teaching. You are more zealous for the teacher, than for upholding the purity of the Word. You honor a man, above God's Word. Shame on you.
88momart 6 months ago
this guy Rob bell is a servant of the Devil. Its like he has a hatered of the world of GOD. He is making a mockery of GODs word in this recording,,, he is deliberately trying to derail GODs church,,,,he has to be a paid illuminati shill...this is deliberate heresy its not accidental,,,,he actually hates the Bible,,,you can tell by his tone and his actions,,,why would someone be a pastor who hates the Bible? bc hes a paid illuminati shill!,,,he is a mocker and scoffer
candiceevans1 7 months ago in playlist Christian YouTube Videos by LaneCh
" epidural... God's gift from medicine..."
contemplate for a minute and center every brain cells into this critic's statement. I suppose science, which is absolutely incompatible with religion, is actually a byproduct of religion. That being said, religion causes incompatibility within itself.
Who is this critic?
SEEANDPEA 7 months ago
This commentary is a joke.
This guy is even sinking as low as making fun of the way Rob says Bell says "Jesus". Very Christ-like...
-What's your purpose with this, Chris?
slauryyyyy 7 months ago
If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you. What are you guys afraid of?
dliberty1988 8 months ago
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This is nothing but a FALSE, CONVENIENT gospel to please the masses and embrace every SIN....We are commanded to love all, and pray for everyone's salvation, but there canNOT be any compromise, I hope these convoluted leaders enjoy their short time of fame, that's what this is all about!
Den12tribe 8 months ago
God bless Rob Bell for his courageous stance. Four years ago, as a seminary-trained evangelical Christian, I was challenged to research reincarnation -- and what I found turned my life upside-down. After reading 40 books, and hundreds of hours of biblical and scientific research, I launched a website to help Christians understand how things got so far afield. Check out Reincarnation Truth dot com
arizcarol 8 months ago
The ratioi between "thumbs up" and "thumbs down" on this video is more evidence that "cafeteria Christianity" has gone a long way toward replacing the genuine, blblical article in this culture.
Kudos to Pirate Christian Radio. Avast, ye scurvy Pietists and heretics! ;)
bobwaters 8 months ago
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Rob Bell either does NOT KNOW the Bible, or deliberately LIES!
rickgigliotti 8 months ago
Rob Bell is what is wrong with Christianity today. It is apostate. Universalism is now everywhere, WITHIN the Church. This is what the NWO "One World Religion" coming from the UN is promoting, i.e. Universalism. ALL religions lead to God.
2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Matthew 7:13 ... and broad is the way, that leades to destruction and many therein enter.
Romans1014Preach 8 months ago
we need unity among ourselves. non believers are already dividing us, we don't need to pick each other apart, we need to encourage each other.
jmartinmarie176 9 months ago
@jmartinmarie176 Since this video attacks unbelief, it's hard to see how your comment applies.
bobwaters 8 months ago
Since what this video attacks is unbelief, it's hard to see how your comment applies, jmartinmarie176.
bobwaters 8 months ago
Please tell me how Rob Bell is leading people astray from the Bible? Please stop bashing other ministers and dividing the church even more. Thanks. That's something that Rob Bell doesn't do. Think about this sir
landisjam 9 months ago
@landisjam Rob Bell is the one who causes division by preaching false doctrine.
"I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them." - Romans 16:17
And yes, Rob Bell does "bash" other ministers. He "bashes" those who do street evangelism and those who preach about the doctrine of God's judgement.
gtrjunky 8 months ago
@landisjam By denying the clear teaching of Scripture with regard to heaven and hell. Please think!
bobwaters 8 months ago
@bobwaters If you'd actually read the book you're bashing, you'd know why I laughed so hard at what you're saying.
madguitarist1400 8 months ago
@madguitarist1400 NO one is bashing him! it's called discermment!O i guess you would know that if you actually read the bible you would know that what he is say doesn't line with the bible!!!!!! it's water down!!so read your bible that way you'll know what is true and is false..and i'am not trying to be mean iam just think people need to hear the truth...God bless you
hellokitty35100 8 months ago
@hellokitty35100 I agree, people need to hear the truth. I suggest doing a thorough study of the new testament in its original language. Also, I don't think you have a very good understanding of what Rob Bell is actually saying.
madguitarist1400 7 months ago
@bobwaters He's not denying the teaching of Scripture. He's re-examining the way that heaven and hell were viewed before the renaissance-era catholic church decided to turn Christianity into a business. Lol...
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landisjam 9 months ago
Actually, centering yourself and focusing on the word of God sounds like a very positive thing. If it takes group meditation on the word then so be it. He's obviously obeying God and helping the masses focus on the truths in the Bible that can breathe life into our personal and spiritual lives. You're just commenting on his words yet it's just a different approach. I've been to Mars Hill in Grand Rapids many times and have never been more engaged with the Bible until then. Entirely relevant
landisjam 9 months ago
@landisjam No, what he's doing is denying the Faith Once Delivered to the Saints. He preaches lies that are opposed to what's in the Bible. That's the whole problem. The Faith has content. Really.
bobwaters 8 months ago
Where in the world did RB get that message out of that text? He is sooo misguided !
What spirit is he listening to? The Bible does say that teachers will be held accountable for leading others astray.
Ldybug376 9 months ago
Where in the world did he get that message out of that text? He is sooo misguided !
What spirit is he listening to? The Bible does say that teachers will be held accountable for leading others astray.
Ldybug376 9 months ago
@Ldybug376 Better that we stop listening to "spirits," and start listening to the Word again!
bobwaters 8 months ago
@bobwaters Amen to that. But as believers we should lean to guidance by the Holy Spirit, not to the spirit of deception or leaning unto our own understanding.
Ldybug376 6 months ago
If you do not understand his attitude or his teachings that is one thing, but you are just blatantly disrespectful and I doubt you even try to understand. Yes, he is a bit strange. Yes, this may not be the "voice of your shepherd" that you are used to. But since when did you completely and emphatically understand EVERYTHING about God? He will always be at least a bit mysterious and new voices aren't necessarily a bad thing.
bigburge68 9 months ago
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What happens to you when you die? Have you ever told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you are a liar, thief, and a blasphemer. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin. The bible says you'll end up in Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death, burial & resurrection) for the forgiveness of your sins, you'll not perish & have eternal life!
gramosjr7 9 months ago
hmmm. maybe you research a little more about childbirth and the possible effects that an epidural might have on a the child? your comment was grossly out-of-place and uninformed.
tegimr 9 months ago
@tegimr Indeed this fellow @appledapathy is grossly out of place as member of the human race. Don't be fooled by his claims to be a Christian, his views couldn't be more opposed to Jesus of Nazareth's if he was a Satan worshipper. Wait, that's demeaning Satanists, most of whom are far more civil and well mannered than him. In fact @appledapathy would tell you that Harry Potter is the Devil! I'm not kidding.
Shojahan 9 months ago
Actually social welfare is God's plan, not the liberals. Libertarians oppose it because they oppose God. You obviously do not know the bible so what's the point of arguing it with you? I do not know what age if you actually are, but it doesn't matter, your mental age is around 2. And "'Eunuchs' has nothing to do with homosexuality"? What a gormless legalist! You must also think "bread" is just "bread" just like the disciples did, and Jesus then just said to them/you "Are you SO DULL"?!
Shojahan 9 months ago
You really went on for 3 hours? You are a hate filled waste of time. Wanna play the "where's the scriptural precedent game", my self righteous friend? When did Jesus parse his opponents words to mock and ridicule them like a cheap morning drive time knock off? There is a precedent in scripture for your behavior, and they were indeed called dogs.
dflen 9 months ago
@appledapathy “the murder of millions of babies” sends them straight to heaven guaranteeing their salvation as opposed to libertarians/conservatrons who'll be spending eternity in hell. Babies are far better off with God than in this World, only idolaters would disagree. This existence is not the true life at all, it is a “vanity of vanities”, and only the Vain would say that parent's love is equal to or better than God's love. To miss this life is to miss nothing -unless you're hedonising.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy I'm not liberal, I accept foetuses are human, and I respect liberals for being more righteous than Conservatrons. Liberals, not being believers, say foetuses have no soul. I doubt you have any memories of the womb either, and if you do, you'll recall you had no free will at that point. As for “do not kill”, you are being typically simplistic, because then the Israelites went off to slaughter innocent babies on masse, all of it sanctioned by God because He is not a Legalist.
Shojahan 9 months ago
so the add before your video was an 'im a mormon' ad.
ETpops 9 months ago
Amen! Thank-you for standing up for our LORD JESUS CHRIST! As followers of the faith, we must in all situations give a reason for the hope that we have. We must preach in and out of season! Those who turn others away from sin~shall be as bright as the stars in the heavens! No other name given under heaven...JESUS by which you must be saved~if you say you are christian, then this is what you must believe!
disciplewoman 9 months ago
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Amen! Thank-you for standing up for our LORD JESUS CHRIST!
disciplewoman 9 months ago
This stuff is right on. Good on Pirate Christian Radio for leading the charge and exposing Rob Bell's terribly flawed and false teachings.
gokkaratt82 9 months ago
if you wanted to refute this man, you would state your facts. you have done nothing but show your pride and ignorance...as most "traditional christians" do. Let TRUTH prevail
discoveringlaurie 9 months ago
You know what weird there was this guy whose name was Paul and he went to this city called Athens you know what he did? He walked through the temple and started learning stuff about all the religions there and then he used that to tell the Gospel, he embraced the culture talked and debated with them. He went into the temples and used that to start a church in Athens.(Acts 17:16-34) Maybe you mean bullies should read that before harshly criticizing Rob Bell.
jesseplume 9 months ago
Rob Bell is a real Christian, where as you're just a Right Wing Conservatron Lunatic who appeals to Hell. You'll be going to Hell yourself! If Hell doesn't exist, I'm sure God will make one just for you and all the other Legalists.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@Shojahan I dont think God cares if you are Right or Left wing. What he does care about is Ignorant still born Christians like you going on Youtube attacking Christians for there political beliefs you moron.
appledapathy 9 months ago
@appledapathy how is your response any different?
neopetsdosuck 9 months ago
@neopetsdosuck Cause I dont condemn people for political beliefs...
appledapathy 9 months ago
@appledapathy No, because then you would be self-condemned. God does condemn them however because you can't be a Christian and a conservative at the same time. The systems of values are opposed to each other.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@Shojahan You cant be a liberal and be a christian then, because Liberals support abortion and homosexuality. I dont approve of homosexuality but I accept it. Libertarians own both of you. Conservatives and Liberals are two sides to the same coin. You are just to ignorant for words man.
appledapathy 9 months ago
@appledapathy I'm afraid Jesus owns both conservatives and libertarians, because he disendorsed 'traditional family values' at every turn. As for gays, he said “some men are born eunuchs, some are made that way” allowing for both nature and nurture. As for social welfare, we told not to ignore “the widow, the orphan and the alien” and many others are spiritually lame and cripple, unable to sustain themselves. Libertarianism is justification for Greed and Pride. Jesus always paid his taxes
Shojahan 9 months ago
@Shojahan You dont even know Gods word, So I cant argue Christianity with you because you are obviously not one.
appledapathy 9 months ago
@Shojahan Eunuchs has nothing to do with homosexuality. And you are wrong about libertarians I can tell you are about 13 and have no understanding of Politics. There is fiscally conservative and liberal libertarians moron. You are just another blind lead by the blind. And if you leave taking care of those people to the government you do everything the bible teaches against. You arent helping them you are relying on the wealthy class to take care of them, you should do it yourself. Ye Hypocrites
appledapathy 9 months ago
@Shojahan And you still didnt say anything about abortions. YOU SUPPORT THEM. GOOD JOB YOU KILL MILLIONS BABIES, HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY, IM SURE JESUS LOVES ABORTIONS.
appledapathy 9 months ago
@appledapathy I actually wrote some 500 characters about it, but I forgot you are illiterate. Yes of course Jesus loves abortions, it means all those souls get to immediately guarantee their salvation and go to heaven to be with him instead of being stuck down here to grow up and be lead by bilnd guide right wing lunatics pretending to 'harmless' liberterians. You pity them? Loser, they pity you. "The righteous are taken away so that may be spared". Eat it.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy No you certainly can not argue Christianity with me because you are the same kind of Legalistic Religious Traditionalist who had Christ crucified. You can not argue Christianity with me because you have hijacked Jesus to try and validate your evil political ideology which is opposed to Christ in every way. You can not argue Christianity with me because you wish to abolish welfare and repeal civil rights. You can not argue because you can not be both a Libertarian and Christian.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy You sir are Illiterate if you could not read that I did say straight marriage is permissible, indeed “all things are permissible, but not all things are beneficial”. Marriage is permitted as a concession for the weak, but is a distraction from the Kingdom. That is why Jesus rejected motherhood and domesticity as a woman's destiny and instead called for discipleship. You know nothing of Scripture. You might not be Mormon, but take away one letter and you sir, are a Moron.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy If you demand gays to be celibate, then you better be so yourself. If you insist you may marry because it is legally permitted in Scripture but they can't because it's not, you only legally correct, and so you're the same Pharisaic Legalistic Hypocrite that Jesus condemned. What kind of Libertarian is telling others who they can marry and who they can't anyway? Answer: One who's really just another Right Wing Conservative Lunatic who's trying to act like he's above the fray.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@Shojahan Honestly have you even read the Bible? Being Gay is not natural and it disgusts god, check out sodom and gomorrah lol. You are a heretic at its finest. The Law is still in effect Jesus did not come to destroy it but fulfill it use your head and pick up a bible send me a message and skype me so you can argue this to my face and I will destroy you theologically because you have nothing to stand on. You are a pathetic excuse for a christian if you even call yourself that.
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Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy Skype? I fear your face might have turned as ugly as your heart, and when you open your mouth to 'refute' me, only a burst of hot air will come out followed by a torrent of pea-green bile. Theologically I have Jesus to stand on -you only have “traditions of men”, and right-wing lunatic men at that. You're a pathetic excuse for a human being who is no Christian, but has merely hijacked the name of Jesus to try and validate your demented views. Sorry, that hijacked plane won't fly.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy What does disgust God is when right-wing lunatics like you project their own hatred & bigotry onto God, “You thought I was altogether like you...but I will rebuke you to your face.” You'd top the Pharisees when it comes to committing Legalistic Heresy. The Law has been fulfilled by Christ no less, and so we are “ambassadors for Christ” not the Law. Interestingly, research shows that one is “disgusted” as you, then 99% of the time they turn out to be gay themselves! Congrats lol!
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy Gayness itself does not disgust God, Jesus said they “are born that way or made that way by men”. So it can be nature or nurture, which means it's not their fault either way. Practising sexual immorality is the sin that God disapproves of, 98% of which is heterosexual immorality, so I guessing you must be disgusted with yourself. The point of Sodom & Gommorah is the gang rape to compare with the Benjamites at the end of Judges, which was HETEROSEXUAL gang rape all night long.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@appledapathy Um..yes, unlike you I've actually read the whole bible, and not just the part before Jesus turned up to spoil the Religious Traditionalist party, I take it you haven't got that far yet? And the real bible too, not the RLV, Revised Lunatic Version. So let me educate you: Jesus did said “some men can be born that way”, and Jesus' authority is higher than Moses' and Paul's. As for appeal to “natural”, no one's sexuality is as God intended, everyone's has been corrupted by the Fall.
Shojahan 9 months ago
@Shojahan Provide scriptural evidence then. And not a loose interpretation, a legitimate verse in context talking about gays and Jesus saying men are born that way. Show it in scriptures...
appledapathy 9 months ago
@Shojahan Bro, you should definately re-read wat you said and ask youself how your behavior is any better then anyother right wing "conservatron"
neopetsdosuck 9 months ago
@neopetsdosuck Well my tone may be exactly the same as the Conservatron's, but they have demonstrated through their own rhetoric that anyone who does not communicate at this level will be drowned out by their own gormless shrieking and Tea Party hysteria. I do not consider them to be 'bros' in Christ as their teachings are of the devil. Hijacking Jesus to validate their lunatic ideologies does not legitimise them one bit.
Shojahan 9 months ago
Listening to this radio host irritated me... I endured the whole 3 hrs and was hoping to hear some intelligent critique. Instead all I heard was self righteousness arrogance packaged in religious language. Chris' mind-numbing, 'tribe'ophobic sarcasm and constant 'word' nit-picking was immature and didn't 'serve' as I hoped it would. Quite sad really... woof!
chrisgrech1966 9 months ago
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Listening to this radio host irritated me... I endured the whole 3 hrs and was hoping to hear some intelligent critique. Instead all I heard was self righteousness arrogance packaged in religious language. His 'tribe'ophobic sarcasm and 'word' nit-picking didn't help his cause much either. Quite sad really... woof!
chrisgrech1966 9 months ago
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Listening to this radio host irritated me... I endured the whole 3 hrs and was hoping to hear some intelligent critique. Instead all I heard was self righteousness arrogance packaged in religious language. His 'tribe'ophobic sarcasm and 'word' nit-picking didn't help his cause much either. Quite sad really... woof!
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chrisgrech1966 9 months ago
ok. I have been watching videos about this pastor, trying to find out what's the matter with his teachings. Now I got it. "We center ourselves." That's that. I believe he's got it wrong. But I'll keep looking
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EuphoricAdventures 9 months ago
Ok, so Rob Bell's way are unorthodox...wait...I remember someone who was completely unorthodox...what's His name...oh it was JESUS! He did CRAZY UNORTHODOX things like telling people that they should give up all their riches if they really want to follow God, hanging out with prostitutes and tax collectors and healing people during the sabath. And He got crucified for it! Why don't you concentrate your time and effort on the lost and less on putting down fellow Christians...God bless you!
EuphoricAdventures 9 months ago
@EuphoricAdventures There is a difference between being unorthodox and going against the basic teachings of the Bible. Rob Bell is a universalist, not matter how he disguises it, he believes hell is not eternal, and that goes directly against what Jesus and Paul taught about the fires that never go out. If we do not expose false teachings, then who will? Many babes in Christ may get misled by them, it is the duty of the elders and those who know the truth to point out blatant lies.
daileydevotion 9 months ago
@EuphoricAdventures We center ourselves? The ongoing creation of what? Where does he get those words? Why does he speak like so not Bible? Why does he have to sound cool? Why can't he just answer a question and not ask more questions? Or answer questions with questions?
farisa2020 9 months ago
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I have been studying the original text in the Bible for years aside from church influence and have come to the same points as Rob Bell before knowing about him. I am a historian and can also see many churches today follow erroneous medieval interpretations rather than the original church orthodoxy. I am ready to stand for truth and so are many. And the truth shall set you free. In love.
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pworam68 10 months ago
I'm not a fan of all that Rob Bell does/says, but I find myself wanting to defend him from this host at times, because he is just plain obnoxious and shows absolutely no grace and is very sarcastic and condescending. This host is typical of the type of people that turn people off to Christianity.
audioambrosia 10 months ago
I stopped listening 3 minutes in. This guy starts ripping apart Bell for trying to get his congregation in a comtemplative frame of mind, which is borderline offensive. Think about it; he's actually mocking people trying to open their hearts and minds to be receptive to God. If you're wondering why guys like Bell are becoming popular, it's because of people like this.
pworam68 10 months ago
@pworam68 ...that is probably because contemplative prayer is paganistic in origin. Vain repititions are condemned in scripture.
bella50008 10 months ago
bella50008 - I don't believe that for one second. Prayer is communication with the Almighty; communication involves listening as much as speaking and comes in many different forms. I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of vain repetition, which for me is moving your mouth without your heart behind your words; it's the appearance of prayer without any substance - essentially a hollow gesture. It is condemned because it is solely about outward appearances - remember the pharisees?
pworam68 10 months ago
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I have a hard time getting anything out of this since I couldn't get past the way you pick on his prayer. From your content here, it comes off as very spiteful and self-righteous. I tried real hard to listen to this all the way through, but you don't pose any objections to what he is saying, but just that you would say it different. Maybe you should focus on just the primary argument against him and not every analogy or adjective. You come off a little like a jerk.
nxil 10 months ago
I have a hard time getting anything out of this since I couldn't get past the way you pick on his prayer. From your content here, it comes off as very spiteful and self-righteous. I tried real hard to listen to this all the way through, but you don't pose any objections to what he is saying, but just that you would say it different. Maybe you should focus on just the primary argument against him and not every analogy or adjective. You come off a little like a jerk.
nxil 10 months ago
Look, regardless of whether we approve of what Bell says or not the last thing we want to do is argue about it. Sure, we should test what everyone says by both praying and rationally looking at the evidence, but we shouldn't insult people, especially a brother in christ, because of what they say.
MrDjmeves 10 months ago
Rob do not let the religious get you down. They do not understand what God's love is and that love has reconciled all to himself. They will understand one day. This guy says he is our servant but believes that our Father will burn us to a crisp if we screw up. They do not believe in the same God we know and love.
ulmcnevins 10 months ago
@ulmcnevins Are you kidding? Rob Bell is the epitome of "religious", packaged into 21st century garb. What a stupid analogy..."burn you to a crisp if you screw up"? No wonder the world thinks christians are stupid.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@gtrjunky Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. It is stupid to believe that God will ..."burn you to a crisp if you screw up"? We are told not to do harm to our neighbor but you better watch out or Jesus will getch yah!
"No wonder the world thinks christians are stupid." Great statement as anyone that thinks that way is stupid!
Thanks for you encouraging comments.
ulmcnevins 10 months ago
@ulmcnevins Way to rip that verse out of context. I realize your god isn't Holy and perfect so it has to adhere to those human standards but the GOD of scripture can do what He wishes with His creation. Like I said, no wonder the world thinks christians are stupid.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@gtrjunky You are my neighbor so loving is knowing that you to will come to the knowledge of what Love truely is. Love --- God does not harm anyone or anything. Read the chapter on Charity and tell me that God would ask us to love our nieghbor but He will fry you in hell because of your ignorance. This is man's foolishness at it's highest level.
ulmcnevins 10 months ago
@ulmcnevins I would guess that your god doesn't harm anyone much like the golden calf wouldn't bite anyone. I have read that chapter and all of the other ones around it and all of those instructions are for fallen men not a Holy and just GOD.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
Ok so I kept listening. It didn't get any better. It's all a whole lot of horn tooting. Maybe this guy has something good to say or a real revelation about Rob Bell being a hypocrite, but it's drowned out by the noise of his horn! Dear Lane, remove yourself from the conversation and let truth stand unshakable by nature instead of lashing out at people you believe are wrong under the guise of "fighting for the faith". Here's a challenge for you: stop listening to sermons and be quiet before God.
byebyeflower 10 months ago
@TheErocafella Thank you. It is absolutely....difficult.....to listen to minutes and minutes of judgmental, immature, self-righteous criticism on the first few seconds of ANYONE'S prayer (or anyTHING for that matter). It makes it extremely difficult to take anything else this guy has to say as holding any water when you already are so bombarded by his harsh attitude. I made it to ten and a half minutes.
byebyeflower 10 months ago
@TheErocafella Thank you. It is absolutely....difficult.....to listen to minutes and minutes of judgmental, immature, self-righteous criticism on the first few seconds of ANYONE'S prayer (or anyTHING for that matter). It makes it extremely difficult to take anything else this guy has to say as holding any water when you already are so bombarded by his harsh attitude. I made it to ten and a half minutes.
byebyeflower 10 months ago
OK, i made it through about 7 minutes of this. In one breath he is criticizing Rob Bell about "centering", and how the concept is not mentioned in the Bible, and in the very next breath, talking about an epidural injection as "God's gift:. I dont recall ever reading that in the Bible either. Rosenbrough needs to get off this personal vendetta that is clearly evident.. Looking to rebuke someone, try the sandwich approach. Good/bad/good. its more believable.
TheErocafella 10 months ago
I agree with others who have alluded to the poor taste and private agenda of the guy who made this. What a joke. I know who I would rather listen too.The whole concept of centering is pretty easy to find in scripture..........if the guy could look beyond the words to the concepts/principles. Isaiah 26.3thou dost keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee...........for starters. This guy is a pharisee, Jesus 's enemies were the religious, not the sick. Shameful work here.
theBlindPoetNz 10 months ago
@theBlindPoetNz Right on buddy. It is the religious who call people names.
ulmcnevins 10 months ago
@ulmcnevins You see, when the bible tells us to love and not harm it is because we are not Holy and perfect. God has the right to kill and destroy His creation because it belongs to Himn and since man has rebelled against Him, all men deserve justice and death. When we take it upon ourselves, we stand in the judgement seat of the only ONE qualified to sit in it. That is why we must forgive because we are not God.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@ulmcnevins The god of universalism is just another worthless, dumb, mute idol fashioned in the playground of man's vivid, corrupt imagination because man cannot tolerate a sovereign GOD who does what He wills. Instead man must have a god that does what man wills; a god that thinks and acts like fallen, sinful man!
gtrjunky 10 months ago
Chris Rosebrough's discernment ministry does so much to expose the false prophets of our age and open our eyes to wolves in sheep's clothing. Thank God for men like him.
n00bie51 10 months ago
@n00bie51 That may be the case and I certainly think there are many to expose.......but Rob Bell aint one of them. Discernment can get carried away sometime and be a bit like looking for reds under the bed.....
theBlindPoetNz 10 months ago
@theBlindPoetNz Wrong. Rob Bell is one who MOST needs to be exposed. The reason for his popularity is because of a LACK of discernment.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@gtrjunky Sheesh it's scary seeing my name there as if I am saying this..thankfully its gtrjunky. I totally agree that there is lack of discernment out there...............and I too emphasisise the word LACK........it seems that the people who think they have the monopoly on discernment or who are most right, as if top say 'thankyou Lord that I am not like this man'...maybe the ones who are really scary. AND yes I agree Rob Bell needs to be exposed so more people can hear his message..........
theBlindPoetNz 10 months ago
@theBlindPoetNz Yep, they have. And now that this wolf has been exposed, his teachings can go down the crapper with all the other liberal losers of the past.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@gtrjunky Gosh here we have it again, down the crapper, liberal losers...........mate a re read of the manual may do your attitudes and speech some good, then people may actually listen to what you have to say...........your tone and attitudes are speaking louder than your words, as is the original guy in this clip. There's plenty about meaning less arguments being a waste of time, but really it's fun seeing what's going to come out of your heart next. I bet you have a lot of diverse friends.
theBlindPoetNz 10 months ago
@theBlindPoetNz I'm not sure about the "poet" part of your name but "BLIND" sure fits.
gtrjunky 10 months ago
@theBlindPoetNz Rob Bell is teaching that God will melt peoples' hearts in the end and that everyone will go to Heaven, and Hell is a place people make for themselves when they refuse to accept God's love. Read Galatians 1:8-9. Chris Rosebrough actually only does this out of love and genuine concern for the Body of Christ and for Rob Bell's soul; that's his real "agenda." If you're going to call that Pharisaical, call me a Pharisee, too.
n00bie51 10 months ago
@n00bie51 Yes I can hear the love and the humility in all he has said here....yeah right. NOT
theBlindPoetNz 10 months ago
@theBlindPoetNz I would expect no less vitriolic personal attack and insult from some bible believing American who cannot understand why the rest of the world dislikes them.You take it from a level of debate to personal attack..I see it so much here. You can only see when you know what you can't see, hence the BLIND, I know I see shadows and totally miss things sometimes, as opposed to you......you know you see everything. Who does Jesus say will see the kingdom of God.,check that out
theBlindPoetNz 10 months ago