This is a historic experiment showing how trees harness gravity to raise water effortlessly through the leaves. One would have thought that scientists would be falling over backwards to investigate this claim, yet to date not a single academic has come forward to confirm or contest this experiment. Why is this?
Hi Andrew I like this experiment and have done something that may support you theory. I work with vacuum systems and produced the vacuum siphon at Nottingham University (periodic videos). I have recently found a way of running a water siphon under vacuum. This shows that water can have tension and be raised above the level that is predicted by atmospheric pressure.
@ElectricDoctor1 Hi, thanks for your comment, which I find intriguing. Can you send me an email to thinklateral at hotmail dot com with some details and perhaps we could talk on the phone following my reply to your mail?
@UnderManlac this experiment has nothing whatsoever to do with capillary action, the tube used is 6 millimetres bore. Capillary tubes are fine tubes, in fact far finer than the tubes in a tree. A tree cannot soak water up from the ground and capillary action cannot address the bulk flow rates evident in trees and plants.
So having a denser solution near the top will aide in drawing the liquid column upward beyond what atmospheric pressure theoretically would allow. In a practicle sense for us, how would we keep a denser solution near the top if we were to draw from it? Wouldn't a siphon slightly lower, say one meter lower than the denser solution not be able to draw on it with the source still being farther than the 30M theory limit? Fine for a tree but for us?
To me it seams surprising that this rather simple experiment (compared to the big hadron collider in Switzerland ;o)) was not executed before in the last 300 years.
@Mozart2Vienna Thank you for your comment. I agree entirely. We spend far too much time and money on avenues that will not produce anything practical or useful in the foreseeable future. We are not asking for £billions, just a little time out from mainstream to investigate this simple experiment, which has phenomenal potential to alter the way we view water behaviour and circulation. Maybe in another hundred years Academia will climb down off it's soap box with its eyes opened.
@AndrewKFletcher What material was the tubing made of? For how long of a period did the water stay above 10m? For how long did the water stay up at 24m? Do you have data or some kind of educated guess on how long the water would have stayed at say 11m, 15m, and 20m? Was it purified water or tap water? Did you degas the water first? Did you just boil the water to degas or did you treat it in any other way? Did you clean the tubing first? If so how?
@mindbuilder2 the tubing was 6 mil bore nylon, used in pub cellars to deliver beer to the customers glass. It does not collapse. The video is unedited so timescale is accurate. The water is tap water and was boiled and allowed to cool to remove gas. The tubing was not cleaned, except for the introduction of water from one end. When the pipes are introduced into the bottles, bubbles can be moved out by raising either bottle. It is important not to get air in the exp.
@AndrewKFletcher I'm surprised that the water adheres well enough to nylon to resist such high negative pressures. I'd have expected it to detach and let the liquid pull thin at top. I could understand very little of the speaking during the video, so I couldn't follow the time line. A transcript would be nice. Subtitles would be even better, but they're probably not worth the effort. Another advantage of a transcript is that you'd get more google hits. Can it sustain 11m for many hours? 15m?
Thanks for the comment. Not to everyone's taste I know, but it was essential to document this important experiment with video footage from the day it took place.
When it is eventually realised that trees are not struggling to overcome gravity and are in fact using gravity to raise water. Science is going to be turned on it's head.
@REAVENSTRIKE Not antigravity as the dissolved solutes travel down one side of the tube causing the salt free water to be drawn up in the other side of the tube.
However, we have used gravity to counterbalance the water suspended in each side of the tube with the same force. This affords the tiny amount of salt to become a significant driving force.
@AndrewKFletcher Wait a second, the video has me confused. Is there a net flow of liquid from one reservoir to another in your experiment? It's not very clear in the video. If so, is it correct to say that your driving force is just the slightly density of salty water giving a larger rho*g*h?
Also, if one reservoir is salty and one fresh, shouldn't your mechanism stop once the saltiness has been washed from the tube? I don't see how you get continuous flow in this system.
@micolich Yes, the entire contents of the upward flowing side are transported to the vessel on the opposite downward flowing side using "any density change" at the top of the inverted U tube. 1 grain of salt wouls suffice in smaller tubes to trigger a flow and return flow. Yes the system will stop once the salt has flowed into the vessel. In a tree, the constant evaporation provides the continuous density change required to drive the process
A siphon will not work over 10 meters. What we have here is a molecular flow caused by a dragging effect from the falling water molecules.
At 24 meter with no salt added, picture lowering one container to try to cause a siphon. What happens is that all you do is put more tension on the water column and cause it to cavitate and fall back to the 10 meter level leaving vacuum above in the top of the inverted U tube. On lowering the tube back to ground level, the vacuum refills with water.
great video! i was originally skeptical (thanks to all the idiots promoting their "magical" perpetual motion machines, inventing their own laws of science to explain how they "work") but after reading the description and seeing the video, all i can say is great experiment and well done!
Thanks for the comment and for reading in to the experiment to see how and why it works. It mnight be of interest to you to see how I made use of this simple experiment by tilting the bed we sleep in to see if gravity had any affect on circulation. Yes we have a heart that pumps blood, but is this the only force acting upon the fluids in the body? Google "Inclined Bed Therapy" and watch the video. When varicose veins went flat as people slept head up it told us a great deal about circulation. :)
Good experiment, need to get a bit more into it on camera, the text in the description was by far more illuminating than the monkey on the cam (filming the car or from across the parking lot for example). Great job disproving the "accepted" science, it's the only way to eliminate ignorance.
Thanks for the comment on my video. The cameraman was my wife :) Luckily we managed to get the footage off the old video tape and it is un-edited to show the experiment properly.
I have other footage of more experiments recorded on the smaller video tapes and will borrow and old cam corder and upload to computer, the footage on these is far superior. Will upload when I get time to do it.
Very interesting video, had trouble understanding the theory about trees when we met all those years ago but the video shows what you tried to explain to us.
lol.... andrew is going to get shot if he keeps disproving all the scientist and shit... he should stop trying to get the goverments to listen to him cause they dont care, but YOUTUBE does! :)
You are not wrong about the governments not wanting to listen. Charities are no better either. But Youtube provides a great opportunity to get around the brick walls that people put in front of progress. I have some more videos to share soon relating to psoriasis and varicose veins showing some astonishing changes using Inclined Bed Therapy.
Inclined Bed Therapy or IBT differs because a hospital bed is a temporary fix, patients return home and revert back to flat bedrest. Hospital beds are elevated at the head end only, in other words, your upper torso is elevated, but your legs remain flat, or even elevated, both of which comprimise circulation. Trendelenburg, which is sleeping head down has been proven to be very detrimental to the health of a person sleeing at this angle. NASA are curently paying healthy people to sleep head down
Andrew is submitting a paper to the Royal Society shortly explaining the results of Strasburger's experiments and how the circulation theory fits with every conceivable aspect of water transport in plants and trees. David relates to how this theory began by reading a GCSE Biology book way back in 1994 and thinking what a complete croc of crap, then stripping the evidence down to begin reassembling it so it works and can be seen working experimentally.
Andrew is basing his view of what scientists think on a GCSE text book. Science can explain this perfectly easily with the cohesion of water. Water columns are not stable if a bubble is added above 10m but they can exist for a long time.
This experiment successfully demonstrated fluid transport to a height, which exceeds the current accepted limit of 10 metres and how this applies to the way that trees draw water to their leaves.
This is a historic experiment showing how trees harness gravity to raise water effortlessly through the leaves. One would have thought that scientists would be falling over backwards to investigate this claim, yet to date not a single academic has come forward to confirm or contest this experiment. Why is this?
AndrewKFletcher 3 weeks ago
Hi Andrew I like this experiment and have done something that may support you theory. I work with vacuum systems and produced the vacuum siphon at Nottingham University (periodic videos). I have recently found a way of running a water siphon under vacuum. This shows that water can have tension and be raised above the level that is predicted by atmospheric pressure.
ElectricDoctor1 1 month ago
@ElectricDoctor1 Hi, thanks for your comment, which I find intriguing. Can you send me an email to thinklateral at hotmail dot com with some details and perhaps we could talk on the phone following my reply to your mail?
AndrewKFletcher 1 month ago
Capillary action. Nature has been doing that for millions of years. It's nothing new.
UnderManlac 8 months ago
@UnderManlac this experiment has nothing whatsoever to do with capillary action, the tube used is 6 millimetres bore. Capillary tubes are fine tubes, in fact far finer than the tubes in a tree. A tree cannot soak water up from the ground and capillary action cannot address the bulk flow rates evident in trees and plants.
AndrewKFletcher 8 months ago
i lost 8:43 min of my life!
igorfelixmiziara 10 months ago
Who was saying "waste of time" near the ending?
So having a denser solution near the top will aide in drawing the liquid column upward beyond what atmospheric pressure theoretically would allow. In a practicle sense for us, how would we keep a denser solution near the top if we were to draw from it? Wouldn't a siphon slightly lower, say one meter lower than the denser solution not be able to draw on it with the source still being farther than the 30M theory limit? Fine for a tree but for us?
ISamuelII 1 year ago
To me it seams surprising that this rather simple experiment (compared to the big hadron collider in Switzerland ;o)) was not executed before in the last 300 years.
Mozart2Vienna 1 year ago
@Mozart2Vienna Thank you for your comment. I agree entirely. We spend far too much time and money on avenues that will not produce anything practical or useful in the foreseeable future. We are not asking for £billions, just a little time out from mainstream to investigate this simple experiment, which has phenomenal potential to alter the way we view water behaviour and circulation. Maybe in another hundred years Academia will climb down off it's soap box with its eyes opened.
AndrewKFletcher 1 year ago 2
@Mozart2Vienna sending particles at eachother at nearly the speed of light. yay hadron collider
IllTryButNoPromises 10 months ago
Poorly filmed, lousy soundtrack, no documentation or explanation of any kind: a complete waste of time. Loved the seagulls, though.
tonybkk999 1 year ago 3
Poorly filmed, lousy soundtrack, no documentation or explanation of any kind: a complete waste of time. Love the seagulls, though.
tonybkk999 1 year ago
@AndrewKFletcher What material was the tubing made of? For how long of a period did the water stay above 10m? For how long did the water stay up at 24m? Do you have data or some kind of educated guess on how long the water would have stayed at say 11m, 15m, and 20m? Was it purified water or tap water? Did you degas the water first? Did you just boil the water to degas or did you treat it in any other way? Did you clean the tubing first? If so how?
mindbuilder2 1 year ago 2
@mindbuilder2 the tubing was 6 mil bore nylon, used in pub cellars to deliver beer to the customers glass. It does not collapse. The video is unedited so timescale is accurate. The water is tap water and was boiled and allowed to cool to remove gas. The tubing was not cleaned, except for the introduction of water from one end. When the pipes are introduced into the bottles, bubbles can be moved out by raising either bottle. It is important not to get air in the exp.
AndrewKFletcher 1 year ago
@AndrewKFletcher I'm surprised that the water adheres well enough to nylon to resist such high negative pressures. I'd have expected it to detach and let the liquid pull thin at top. I could understand very little of the speaking during the video, so I couldn't follow the time line. A transcript would be nice. Subtitles would be even better, but they're probably not worth the effort. Another advantage of a transcript is that you'd get more google hits. Can it sustain 11m for many hours? 15m?
mindbuilder2 1 year ago
Fantastic experiment, Has anyone repeated this experiment Andrew?
osirisseventh1 1 year ago 2
Thanks for the comment. Not to everyone's taste I know, but it was essential to document this important experiment with video footage from the day it took place.
When it is eventually realised that trees are not struggling to overcome gravity and are in fact using gravity to raise water. Science is going to be turned on it's head.
AndrewKFletcher 1 year ago
Guys, Im sorry, but dear Jesus that was MIND-NUMBING...
hopecandecieve 1 year ago
does this mean anti-gravity or the gravity in this place are higher than other....confusing.....
REAVENSTRIKE 1 year ago
@REAVENSTRIKE Not antigravity as the dissolved solutes travel down one side of the tube causing the salt free water to be drawn up in the other side of the tube.
However, we have used gravity to counterbalance the water suspended in each side of the tube with the same force. This affords the tiny amount of salt to become a significant driving force.
AndrewKFletcher 1 year ago
@AndrewKFletcher Wait a second, the video has me confused. Is there a net flow of liquid from one reservoir to another in your experiment? It's not very clear in the video. If so, is it correct to say that your driving force is just the slightly density of salty water giving a larger rho*g*h?
Also, if one reservoir is salty and one fresh, shouldn't your mechanism stop once the saltiness has been washed from the tube? I don't see how you get continuous flow in this system.
micolich 1 year ago 3
@micolich Yes, the entire contents of the upward flowing side are transported to the vessel on the opposite downward flowing side using "any density change" at the top of the inverted U tube. 1 grain of salt wouls suffice in smaller tubes to trigger a flow and return flow. Yes the system will stop once the salt has flowed into the vessel. In a tree, the constant evaporation provides the continuous density change required to drive the process
AndrewKFletcher 1 year ago
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lovingfatalist to AK
I'm still sleeping on my mum's sofa - my attic window still ice on the inside.
Soon as that goes, though, I'll return to my bed - will find 2 bricks for it.
Lawrence, congats on the walking! I'm glad the saga has ended on an upbeat note :-)
Alexknobsob 2 years ago
You are the FRIEND of western culture.
Alexknobsob 2 years ago
Awesome Andrew Congratulations on your amazing discovery
godofthemiddleearth 2 years ago 2
This basic concept is useful for cleaning fish tanks.
lepolemicist 2 years ago
A siphon will not work over 10 meters. What we have here is a molecular flow caused by a dragging effect from the falling water molecules.
At 24 meter with no salt added, picture lowering one container to try to cause a siphon. What happens is that all you do is put more tension on the water column and cause it to cavitate and fall back to the 10 meter level leaving vacuum above in the top of the inverted U tube. On lowering the tube back to ground level, the vacuum refills with water.
AndrewKFletcher 2 years ago
why does it sound like a dog is being attacked in the beginning :-/
rissie21 2 years ago
Hi Rissie Lol yes it does sound like a dog, but it is seagulls as there are lots of them around the cliffs because Brixham is a fishing port.
AndrewKFletcher 2 years ago
great video! i was originally skeptical (thanks to all the idiots promoting their "magical" perpetual motion machines, inventing their own laws of science to explain how they "work") but after reading the description and seeing the video, all i can say is great experiment and well done!
phector2004 2 years ago 2
Thanks for the comment and for reading in to the experiment to see how and why it works. It mnight be of interest to you to see how I made use of this simple experiment by tilting the bed we sleep in to see if gravity had any affect on circulation. Yes we have a heart that pumps blood, but is this the only force acting upon the fluids in the body? Google "Inclined Bed Therapy" and watch the video. When varicose veins went flat as people slept head up it told us a great deal about circulation. :)
AndrewKFletcher 2 years ago
Good experiment, need to get a bit more into it on camera, the text in the description was by far more illuminating than the monkey on the cam (filming the car or from across the parking lot for example). Great job disproving the "accepted" science, it's the only way to eliminate ignorance.
autonymouse 2 years ago
Thanks for the comment on my video. The cameraman was my wife :) Luckily we managed to get the footage off the old video tape and it is un-edited to show the experiment properly.
I have other footage of more experiments recorded on the smaller video tapes and will borrow and old cam corder and upload to computer, the footage on these is far superior. Will upload when I get time to do it.
Thanks again
Andrew
AndrewKFletcher 2 years ago
Very interesting video, had trouble understanding the theory about trees when we met all those years ago but the video shows what you tried to explain to us.
godofthemiddleearth 2 years ago
im not sure how but there is a attraction at my local six flags over tx and its a house that uis tilted and water in the well flows up
godsaber21 3 years ago
That was a great day and a brilliant experiment!
Only1moomin 3 years ago
ya se tardo
lerdos
Revivedwolfhajime 3 years ago
Animals just know these humans are about to do something dumb, so there just waiting around to recover there remains. Vultures are in place....lol
Rx7even 4 years ago
lol.... andrew is going to get shot if he keeps disproving all the scientist and shit... he should stop trying to get the goverments to listen to him cause they dont care, but YOUTUBE does! :)
midniight 3 years ago
Thank you for the comment
You are not wrong about the governments not wanting to listen. Charities are no better either. But Youtube provides a great opportunity to get around the brick walls that people put in front of progress. I have some more videos to share soon relating to psoriasis and varicose veins showing some astonishing changes using Inclined Bed Therapy.
AndrewKFletcher 3 years ago
how does your inclined bed differ from a hospital bed you also can incline to any position?
erikbredal 2 years ago 2
Inclined Bed Therapy or IBT differs because a hospital bed is a temporary fix, patients return home and revert back to flat bedrest. Hospital beds are elevated at the head end only, in other words, your upper torso is elevated, but your legs remain flat, or even elevated, both of which comprimise circulation. Trendelenburg, which is sleeping head down has been proven to be very detrimental to the health of a person sleeing at this angle. NASA are curently paying healthy people to sleep head down
AndrewKFletcher 2 years ago
Andrew is submitting a paper to the Royal Society shortly explaining the results of Strasburger's experiments and how the circulation theory fits with every conceivable aspect of water transport in plants and trees. David relates to how this theory began by reading a GCSE Biology book way back in 1994 and thinking what a complete croc of crap, then stripping the evidence down to begin reassembling it so it works and can be seen working experimentally.
AndrewKFletcher 4 years ago
Andrew is basing his view of what scientists think on a GCSE text book. Science can explain this perfectly easily with the cohesion of water. Water columns are not stable if a bubble is added above 10m but they can exist for a long time.
daveshorts 4 years ago
cool
tigergirl72 4 years ago
THE BRIXHAM CLIFF EXPERIMENT
This experiment successfully demonstrated fluid transport to a height, which exceeds the current accepted limit of 10 metres and how this applies to the way that trees draw water to their leaves.
AndrewKFletcher 4 years ago