Epicurus on Happiness 2 of 3

[Hoobifta]

Giving up morals that don't work I can formulate happiness right here on the spot: happiness is satisfaction got under any circumstance, therefore you can be in a dump, without worrying about it you are happy about it. :D

[rainbowaon]

when you're happy you dont buy things, so companies try to make us unhappy, because they want money, to buy thing, but the companies have money, so why would they want more money? to buy more, because they are unhappy, so maybe they are just making themselves unhappy

[rainbowaon]

when really they need friends, but when they keep buying thing, that means they will make other people more unhappy so they continue to have money, so really the more companies have huge excess beyond just a comfortable life, the more vampiric they become, they enter like an ouroboros, when their happiness depends on our unhappiness, and because of that they can never be happy,

[rainbowaon]

we should try to befriend small companies (or even non companies) so they never become like that and heal the people in these large companies, so they see that what they need is to connect to people, connect to the world, then they will attain lasting happiness, where all can be happy, and no one has to be mannipulated.

[DukeofColumbia]

Credit Diogenes with the first motivational poster . . . ..

[Gamekingz0r1]

These documentary's are amazing thanks

[orlando098]

How are you supposed to be self-sufficient without money?

[jamesdragonforce]

The ethic of Epicureanism is that friendship, self sufficiency, and an analyzed life were the key to happiness, but the thing that I find interesting is that it doesn't directly discourage money, just the temptation of it and other materialistic matters.

[gallonofpcp]

Mo money mo problems

[AustinPure]

douche bags

[JavaSpitLava]

all of these stories are so sad....he wrote 300 books and they all perished in time......that is so much knowledge and dedication, lost.....as log as we remember him right?....nothing is lost...

[dummy222]

Onetocome are u seriously saying god is the answer to happiness on a philosophical video ?

come on use your brain more, think harder you can do better then that .......

[saltydog78]

Friends, freedom and an analyzed life. Now its time to practice this

[CosmoShidan]

Have their been attempts to move some of the pieces of the wall of Diogenes?

[cellardoor199991]

Isn't it Ironic that there would be ADVERTISING on his wall in order to get his message out, when he was really against that.

Like on the Simpsons, when SideShow BOB used TV to let everybody know what a waste of time TV is.

[rgaleny]

@cellardoor199991 When a disease attacks, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. It's a disclaimer and warning. let the buyer beware.

[nexusutube]

@cellardoor199991 He wasn't against advertising. He was against advertising things that dont truly make you happy and distract you from what will make you happy.

[Pransterrr]

the hairdresser pisses me off.

[MultiDeze]

For our females, the whole story basicly comes down to this...

When you have 30 pairs of shoes, no matter wich pair your wearing, its never perfect..

When you just have one pair of decent shoes, you will be happy with them as they walk pretty nice and they dont look to bad :)

Think positive!!!!!

[1awareness]

one day if faith allows I will restore epicurus home.

[longfootbuddy]

i dont think his 300 books are lost.. the authorities just hid them from you, so you wouldnt get the idea to separate yourself from a society that wants to keep you ignorant slaves

[xchinox11]

Everyone has problems.It is better to have problems with loads of cash than have problems with no money at all.YOU HAVE MORE OPTIONS. :)

[S8917560G]

If the Epicurean notion of the evils of excessive shopping was subscribed to today by people everywhere, the world economy would probably be a tad stagnant.

[rgaleny]

@S8917560G Only the rich can afford overpriced gaudy crap. the rest of us mostly buy necessites. Oil companies are rich because they supply a necessity. It's about perspective, don't you think? Let the buyer beware. It's always easier to sell people some placebo, than it is to give them the truth.

[stevesanterre]

Three Stoics disliked this video

[DukeofColumbia]

Nice stuff . . . . so we can credit Diogenes with creating the first "motivational poster" (buy putting Epicurus's philosophy on the wall)

[devinerhythms]

wow. what a graph lol

[ukidding]

a hair transplant would make the presenter happy

[Zachdudeio2]

He would've been like Charlie Veitch!!! Everything is OK

[Punks1Not2Dead3You4R]

3 people dont want happiness

[EricMeyer17]

Shouldn't he have started on the left side of the graph when showing your level of happiness with loads of money?

[EricMeyer17]

@EricMeyer17 Ugh I mean on the right.

[greenghost2008]

I've got two or three. working on the friend thing.

[DreamsofMajesty]

scribd (dot) com/nb812

[TheBerkeleyBear]

thank you for the upload :)

[ND20074321]

I love the countryside - give me my sandals, loincloth and a robe and staff and sign me up for cheese and veggies!... I am there.

[dildace]

"...is here in a dusty and remote corner of southwestern Turkey." right as a man is shown on-screen herding some turkeys.

[coolguy7248]

super video esp rgndg ads and fight club effect

[SatoshiBatista]

been slef sufficient is hard in this society, thats my goal however isnt that simple :)

[Nanaeon05]

Hey -Better than Great are these uploads for they r reminders of how corporations today use and abuse us but this has happened because we have become weary to thinking about things that actually matter & focusing on them .Imagine today if a group of people set up posters out side of malls :reminding people that what ever they buy will not bring them closer to heart full filling happiness ...todays law system would through us in jail .

[qaplatlhinganmaH]

("Happiness is not pleasure, for which we need external, but virtue, which is complete without external" 3rd epistole of Crates). Similarly the Prajnaparamita, precursor of the Madhyamika, explained that all things are like foam, or bubbles, "empty, false, and fleeting", and that "only the negation of all views can lead to enlightenment" (Nāgārjuna, MK XIII.8).

[D33veeoss]

semi-colon after "external" yeah?

[qaplatlhinganmaH]

Greco-Buddhism influenced the artistic, and perhaps the spiritual framework, developments of Buddhism, particularly Mahayana Buddhism, founded in India, which represents one of the two main branches of Buddhism.The Buddhist religious system was then adopted in Central and Northeastern Asia, from the 1st century CE, ultimately spreading to China, Korea and Japan

[fckuvrymch]

word.

[elizzzluv]

Sorry:P

On my previous comment I ment to say

Platonic philosophers and not Epicoureans. I should have corrected.

My bad.

[elizzzluv]

I've never said that christianity influenced

by the Epicourians, most likely I could say

the Fathers of our church were influenced

from the Platonic philosophers.

BTW I'm from Greece and I know what good friends, freedom, and to appreciate

good life means.

Too bad we getting more and more Westernize...(meaning about materialism)

I hope you understand that...

PS

Thanks for (-1) whoever was it:)

[elizzzluv]

PS

I'm talking about material thinks.

[elizzzluv]

May I ask what's the difference between the simplicity of the christian life and the

epicurians?

Or should I say christianity was influence

some how by epicurians.

[vooooom]

Epicurus taught that people needed friends, freedom and and thought. Christianity teaches that people need to do accept Jesus as their savior, abstain from sin, and have a lot more to say about what "the good life" is. I doubt Christianity was directly influenced by Epicurus. The fact that some of what they would consider to be a good life is the same is coincidence. Many such themes are common throughout all humanity and stem from the evolutionary instincts and common conditions of existence.

[eugdog106]

i love these videos

[smellincoffee]

Why did a British narrator use a dollar sign and not a pound symbol?

[mrHardc0re]

Probably it was made for the US market. Or he thinks that dollar's symbol is generally associated with money, more than the pounds'.

[farr500]

ontocome you are an idiot.

[onetocome]

Prove it!

[onetocome]

He forgets to mention real world scenarious, like what happens when someone commits adultery. What happnes when people fight and call each other names. He lived in a bubble and that's why he reason the way he did. He thought that happiness was the problem and that by following certain steps people could achive happiness. I give Epicurus a C+. He does have some good points, but nothing out of the ordinary, just common sense stuff.

[onetocome]

Epicurus speaks from a deep and naive perspective. He ignores the real problems of the world, which are evil. He ignores relationships, hate, envy, adultery and all those things that make happiness impossible to attain. And this is why Jesus was a genius, because he knew the real reason why people weren't happy. Epicurus speaks from an isolated perspective, as if this is the reason why people are not happy.

[SubliminalUrge]

Evil doesn't exist. "Bad" does.

I'ts impossible for someone to be compleatly happy.

Epicurus is just giving 3 points that can make your life easier and pacefully.

Epicurus as a philospher is talking in a racional-human point of view. Any religion or political comment is irelevant.

You can't put an Opus Dei person and a atheist in the same point of view. But you can put 2 racional-human beigns to share thoughts. This is philosphi, and it has to be view with racional eyes.

[onetocome]

"Evil doesn't exist. "Bad" does." They are both the same thing. Without God there is no peace. I already explained it, the happiness that Ep. speaks of is superficial and it doesn't produce inner peace, just a temporary feeling. There is nothing racional about what he says. Read everything I wrote and meditate on it, and maybe you'll understand better.

[PeelTower]

Only fools and horses work. Those who wax lyrical about the 'fulfilment' of work don't do any.

Find something you love to do and you'll never work again. By definition, if you enjoy your employment, you don't work. The latins call work trabalho the French call it travail. The very word is self explanatory. Work is wage slavery for most people.. If work was so good bosses would roll up their sleaves and do more of it.

[penguinegg01]

Epicurean tests were not lost, they were destroyed by Christians.

[onetocome]

The more I see these videos, the more clearer it becomes that Jesus was a Master Genius. Jesus was not just ahead of his time he was behind and in front of time, he was perfect, it blows my mind. Jesus had to the key to happiness, but most don't understand it, and what is that key. Love thy neighbor as thyself, this is not only the key to inner joy and happiness, but for the physical flesh tool. That's why Jesus is praised and Epicurus is not. He's name is above all names, all.

[HordeKhorr]

Definitely not. Epicurus is at the top of my list, not Jesus. You can't make yourself love someone, its impossible, only time can do that.

No, the more intelligent thing would be to go on loving the people you already love, and if you find some more, good, if not, you've got your friends beside you anyhow. Friends are the way to go, true friends, because there going to be there for you and make you happy. Nothing else will do that. Epicurus is God.

[onetocome]

Tell me genius, how much time. Either you love or you don't love. I see you can't be a good samaritan, because you need time to get to know the person in need. YOu have no idea of what you are saying, yOu are as blind as Epicurus, and the blind will lead the blind. Time creates feelings, not love, and you are waiting for time to see what kind of feelings you get. YOu obviously think that love is a feeling, sorry to disappoint you but love is not a feeling. Your perception of life is distorted.

[HordeKhorr]

It isn't something fixed; it depends on your personality, circumstance, and so on. The more you spend, the more you love.

What does being a good samaritan have to do with this?

I think I know what I'm talking about, because I speak from experience: I would die for my best friend, the only thing I regret about it is I only have one life to give up for him.

Of course time creates feelings, I implied that. And what the hell is that, I'm waiting to see what I feel?

[onetocome]

The more you spend the more you love, what are you saying. A feeling is a reaction, it's a given, don't take credit for it. Just because you feel good doesn't mean that you love. Time also creates feelings of hate. You probably believe that your dog loves you too.

[HordeKhorr]

These comments are too short >.>

Love is a combination of feelings and what you would do for that person.

My perception has never been more clear, and you are in no position to tell me if I'm seeing correctly or not, because you don't know me.

Life isn't a one way viewpoint, either, telling me how I perceive life is like telling me my answer to what I think the purpose of life is, is wrong.

[onetocome]

You said that love is the result of time and that it comes with time. If it was true what you say, then everyone wiht love everyone else. Think before you write.

[HordeKhorr]

I did think. Love IS the result of time.

No, your taking that in a completely different way. Just because you spend time with a person it doesn't mean that you are going to love them. You SPEND time, not being forced into it. You want to be with that person.

Who the hell says I take credit for it?

Dude, you've got to reconstruct your second comment, I dont understand the relevance. I never said anything about good feelings being love.

[onetocome]

Wrong, feelings, not love are the result of time. You want to be with that person because that person makes you feel good, not because you love them. You said it, when you said that you love them. You said love is a combination of feelings. I am way over your head, you ovbiously have no clue of what I'm talking about. When God said love your neighbor as yourself, he didn't include time into the equation, it's a commandment, not a choice. You are confused and without idea.

[HordeKhorr]

I disagree. Its not your place to state what is wrong and right.

In my defense, I don't love hardly many people. The ones I do, occurred through progression. Love isn't something you readily give out.

Confusion has been induced. I'm having trouble following the argument.

Indeed. But God didn't say to put yourself above others. Arrogance isn't going to get you anywhere, especially in an argument against a stranger.

Besides, God is a fairy tale created to stop men from fearing death.

[onetocome]

It's my believe. Let me explain it to you. You see love is not something you have inside of you, you do not posses love, that is illogical. You can't give love, love is not something you give. You are talking about a feeling that is growing inside of you, my friend, that is not love. I do apologize if I seem arrogant, I'm a very straight shooter. Brave men don't fear death, only atheists in their death beds.

[HordeKhorr]

Its your believe? I don't think thats right.

I'm having difficulty following the whole love thing.

Think about that, though, its contradictory: Atheists don't believe in God, they take in the belief that their is none, and so I would think that they would convert to some other religion if they were indeed afraid of death.

So you're brave to go believe in a religion the majority of the world believes in?

[onetocome]

Real love is obidience and faithfullness in God or others. It's not a given like a feeling, it's action, it's truth. When Jesus said if you don't love me more than you mother or father, he wasn't talking about the feeling that we have for our parents, he was talking about obidience and faith, not physical feelings and emotions. Death is not the reason real xtians believe in God, science can give us physical immortality, but only Jesus has eternal life, true happyness and joy.

[HordeKhorr]

We can't use God, only the logical things. God is illogical, and hasn't been proved. This is a scientific debate.

You would do things out of the concept of love, I'm sure.

On the contrary, I believe you can find things that give you true happiness right here on earth. Indeed, it ties into my belief of everyone's purpose: To find your purpose. Life is a chance given, by whom is unknown, unto us to search for that which gives us bliss. Music gives me that, and playing it is amazing.

[onetocome]

Love can't be proven either, therefore love is illogical. You said it again, "find things that give you true happiness". Things give you feelings. You are looking for something to give you happiness. Music makes you feel good. I see you don't understand.

[HordeKhorr]

Love being illogical and God being illogical are on different levels, We didn't just make up love, theres enough proof of it as people are willing to die for each other because of it. God, thats just something that grew roots in society before man knew science.

Things, such as people you're with. Of course your looking, happiness isn't spontaneous.

You see nothing. This is a low-grade debate on youtube.

[onetocome]

Then why don't you prove it. People will die for God as well. Well I guess this debate is over, but I'll tell one thing, you will not, find happiness until accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour. You will live the rest of your life on feelings you get from your senses. Your spirit is dead.

[HordeKhorr]

Find me, and my best friend, and ask me to choose between mine and his life. I'll be dead after my answer.

Thats an opinion. A badly-formed one, but it is indeed one. I've found true happiness, I don't have it now, but it certainly isn't with the likes of a cosmic undead jew who is his own father.

[onetocome]

An adulterer, a liar, a thief, even a murderer will give his life for his friend, that doesn't impress me, and it certainly doesn't impress God, it doesn't mean anything. The only advice I can give you is this; ask God to help you and if you mean it with your heart, he will, if not, you will die in your sins. God bless.

[HordeKhorr]

Where do morals come into this? Sins have nothing to do with love.

Your spouting of God doesn't impress me. Science and logic are the only things we can use in this argument, because they are true.

I will be martyred for my sins, then, in the eyes of the non-existent christian God, and all his followers.

[onetocome]

You don't love your friend, you worship him/her. Without love you are nothing. Again I repeat, there is no logic in philosophy, and by the way logic without God is subjective. Your logic is your own interpretation of life, it's not fact, so it's not "logic". You can't say that logic is true, that doesn't make sense.

[HordeKhorr]

I'm quite sure I love my friend. Thats like telling someone there not sad, there angry, even when they aren't.

Logic - 1 a (1): a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning

God cannot by reached by logic, and therefore is subjective.

No, its not fact, but it holds more truth than religion. Its my conclusion of life from testimony.

Serious? Hit yourself, you won't do it again; its logic

[onetocome]

I can say the same thing, that your love for your friend is subjective, it's all in your mind. Love is subjective and it can't be reach by science, what is your point. Good talking to you, I'm done.

[writetothepoint1960]

I'm happy that even a great philosopher is blamming a commercial for my unhappiness. I think it's funny that I find commercials distracting while watching tv. I find almost anything to be that way when I am cranky. I wonder if Epicurus was a little cranky? I prefer Diogenes's idea to counter commercials with reminders on how to be happy and how to be unhappy. I guess I find philosophy brings me a kind of happiness.

[tuftthewhale]

From which epicurean text did he get this 3 goods?

[bahramf]

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[erikeccles]

"You're not your job; you're not how much money you have in the bank; you're not the car you drive; you're not the contents of your wallet; and you're not your fucking khakis. We are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world."

-Brad Pitt, "Fight Club"

[mungcray]

the point of not having money is to give you freedom. the more you want the more you have to work, suffer, and reduce your free time for it. not only that you waste your life for things u can't take with you.

[Jizuschrist]

Work brings fulfillment, Its all a matter of balance.

[PeelTower]

Work doesn't bring fulfilment. Work is called 'travail' in French and similar Trabalho in Portuguese...the very name gives the lie to what you just said Mr.Jizuschrist.

If your work brings you fulfilment, you are either very lucky or you aren't really working. Work brings fulfilment only if you do it for yourself and you control when and how much you do and the fruits of it come to you and not some wage slaver.

That is fundamental.

[newperve]

Work brings fulfilment if it represents, to the worker, a successful transformation of the world from the way it was to something closer to what they want the world to be. If you do that by your own efforts and understand that's what you are doing you'll be fulfilled. To create is glorious.

[PeelTower]

the vast majority of workers don't engage in anythinng 'creative' they are mere donkeys who do repetative, laborious, mind numbingly dull, dirty, smelly horrible work which a monkey wouldn't do....not because a monkey couldn't do it but because a monkey would refuse to do it. If you don't understand that then you are so inexperienced in the real world of work that you aren't fit to talk to me. When did you ever break your back in a field? Go do that and talk to me about the nobility of work!

[newperve]

If they change the world from how it is to closer to how they'd like it, or anyone else would like it, that is creating. I have never broken my back in a field, what does that have to do with the nobility of work? The fact that something is unpleasant doesn't mean it's not noble. See "The Fiddler on the Roof" for an example of the nobility of work, and of life.

[tuftthewhale]

For the advertisers to blur what we truly want with what they want to advertize to us, they'll need to know what we truly want. But if they do know what man truly needs to be happy and are doing it, they wouldn't be in the advertising business would they?

[tuftthewhale]

No where in the Epicurean texts does it explicitly say that there are 3 essential goods for happiness. Is it merely an inference on De Botton's part?

[woozlbug]

I can't believe no one has put those wall fragments in a museum. Anything written by human hands nearly 2000 years ago is a historic treasure, but this is extraordinary. I can't believe that stone was just sitting in the ground.

[anthonycotillo]

money cant buy you happiness...poverty cant buy you anything.

[tuftthewhale]

it's not the amount of money you have that determines happiness but the amount of money you have in relation to your desires.

since happiness comes from the fulfilment of desires, we should have as much desires as our money can afford.

the good thing about epicurus' philosophy is that those 3 goods are free, they just require time and courage.

[anthonycotillo]

not necessarily money will make u unhappy nore the lack of it happy , ppl go to the extremes discussing this stuff they say either poor or rich but thats not the way for me,i like the middle path, good balance,"since happiness comes from the fulfilment of desires"...? then the more desires u have the happier youll be as long as u can satisfy them?thought that diminishing your desires,and having control over the passions thats the way to obtain happiness and freedom not being slave to them,

[anthonycotillo]

epicurus is interesting , he had good ideas too, ppl often reject money or embrace it, for me i do neither, im happy with what i have but if i found a million dollars on the street wouldnt bother me to keep them, nore i have any anguish at all by not having it

[tuftthewhale]

good for you. go and be happy :)

[TurboRonin83]

@anthonycotillo Discard this word 'buy' from your heart and you will set foot on the road to true happiness.

[Pinkchyo]

@anthonycotillo yeah but a true friend, fiance, and good parents are never for sale!!!!!!

[rgaleny]

@anthonycotillo It's the difference between Say, Marge Simpson, who was happy even with a little, and Mr. Burns who wasn't very happy, even with a lot.

[ciforoso]

what happend to the sound?it has no sound in it.

[PhilosophicalMedia]

May want to check your speakers.

[dimo4550]

diogenes is so badass

[anthonycotillo]

economic independence? its ot that easy for example i have a job i dont like yet i need the money bcause i want to go to europe for a year to study, so i need the money but i dislike the job, what would epicurus wiuld have said on this matter???

[NearVSMello]

He would ask you what you aim to study and how the life of one who has studied it is so drastically essential to your happiness.

[anthonycotillo]

then plants are rocks would be the happiest beings on earth because the dont want or desire anything.i have feelings,i want to see the world, its not essential for my happiness but because i like languages because i wanna see other places because i wanna have an italian girl with her naked body under me...i sacrifice my time so in two years i can travel if by two years i dont have enough money to make it happen then i'll quit. a man cannot wait his whole life for his dream to come true..

[NearVSMello]

>then plants are rocks would be the happiest beings on earth because the dont want or desire anything

Ah! Touche!

Actually I happen to favor existentialism and I came up with an ethical philosophy to go along with it: action precedes happiness. Happiness lies not in a particular way of life as suggested by some religions but by doing as many different things with your life as possible.

[Stevehtegreatgr]

Action precedes happiness,why? Apart from its aesthetic beauty (action's) and happiness's perceived banality, you can't have an empirical statement that could support your position can you? I mean action can bring you extreme suffering, how's that worth living? Existentialists would argue that suffering doesn't matter, but their statement is hollow actually we're instinctively hardwired to disregard suffering,existentialists requires from us a transformation which may not be desirable after all

[Stevehtegreatgr]

My point is that the minimization of suffering (such thing as happiness does not / cannot exist) does not dismiss action, yet actions that lead to suffering ultimately drives to clinical depression due to the structure of the brain which eventually leads to inaction. Thus if you value action then you should care for minimization of suffering as only that could fuel your future actions.

It's counter-intuitive to say, but if action precedes happiness then it would ultimately lead to inaction,no?