what about the book of Job? Where God allowed satan to do everything to Job. God allows disaster, sickness,murder, and sin. God has a divine plan to take care of everything that is wrong and bad and unjustice. For His greater glory God allows this stuff too happen, so greater things came come! Our brains cannot fathom the big picture, and I'm glad it can't because then I would be able to imagine God fully which would make him no God at all.
sorry it took me a while to get round to seeing this Wayne. this guy basically just spent 11 minutes repeating the same thing over and over, and backed it up with 2 completely out of context lines of verse. (i too could quote out of context verses to refute his claims, but tit-for-tat gets nowhere)
anyway, this does not answer the questions you seemed to think it answers.
@gothatfunk I find it curious that you are partial to a particular Christian theology when you are an atheist. Isn't the entire Bible B.S. anyway, to you? It would be like if I thought the Sunnis version of Islam were correct and not the Shiite Muslims. I think it's all wrong so siding would be pointless. But since you do, tell me, what is the correct context of the verses he uses?
@AmericanWayne you misunderstand the point. i'm not partial to any particular theology. i don't need to be to know that his version is no more valid than any other theological version, in particular the one he is trying to refute. all doctrines can cite scripture for their purpose.
If God is in control of "all" things then we cannot say there is a single thing that God does not control. This includes the fact that I am publicly stating that God does NOT control everything. In addition, the events that took place in the OT were based on the complete lack of a savor unlike what we have today with Christ. Wayne has it right and that is all there is to it. Plus, if God was in control, we would have Heaven on earth.
Guys listen to me for a second. G-d is all powerful but doesn’t control all things that happen. Think if it this way. You are a parent. You see that your child is playing around a shelf and you know that a paint can is going to fall off and hit them. So, you tell them. But they continue and the paint can falls off the shelf and hits the child. Who’s fault was it; Yours or the childs? It was the childs because the child didn’t listen to your warning. So it is with G-d.
God doesn't control everything? Then He's not sovereign! Partial sovereignty is like partial pregnancy. Absurd! Dictionary definition? Are you kidding! How about the biblical definition!
@AmericanWayne Yep! If he didn't, then He is not God! God is either in control of all things or He controls nothing! Free will theist, in an attempt to safeguard God, have adopted pagan philosophy. If only you guys would believe what the bible says. You're concerned about the holocaust? What about when God commanded His people to commit genocide on the pagans in the OT? You're concerned about child molestation? How about God causing the ultimate sin; the murder of Christ? Read your bible!!!!
@fivepointbaptist Wow! You heard it here first, guys! Well then why be pro life if God chooses to abort millions of babies every year? Isn't that going against God's will? I read the Bible but I don't see the same tyrant you see. My God is benevolent. That is WHY Christ died on the cross. While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. God commanded genocide on the Canaanites and the flood as acts of benevolence, too. Watch my "Is God A Schizophrenic?" video for more about that.
@AmericanWayne Lord willing, I will make a video response to your comments here and demonstrate how absurd your statements are. God sent the flood as an act of love? LOL!!!!!
@fivepointbaptist Of course they are absurd to you and I find comfort in that knowing where you are coming from theologically. You won't understand the things of God as long as you prescribe to the doctrine you do. The flood was an example of purging out the wicked so there would be the best lineage for Jesus to be born through. God found Noah to be pure. The Canaanites were given many warnings to repent. They would sacrifice their own young to their false gods.
@AmericanWayne They're absurd biblically! Not only will I demonstrate your error, but I will also go through this stupid video and show this moron to be the false teacher that he is. As far as I am concerned, you have just revealed that you are not even saved. Calling God a tyrant! Lord have mercy on you!
@fivepointbaptist God is not a tyrant. Your perverted version of God is. Don't you agree? You defend God as the cause of the holocaust and yet you don't see him as a tyrant? Don't you see your inconsistencies? You are confused, Chris.
@AmericanWayne Provs.21:1The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.
This pertains to all kings,rulers, emperors,presidents,dictators ect. prov 16:9 God determines every step of every man.God has numbered all mens days Ps 139:16Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them..
@CBALLEN This man and those who believe him,are teaching false doctrine,even in the face of God Himself who says it is HE ALONE who brings all disaster on men Amos 3:6Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the LORD has done it? 2Peter 3:9 is speaking of His elect coming to Jesus before Jesus comes to destroy the world.God had 2 groups before time,one He saves and the other He passes over.God knows all things,even the goats before time.
@fivepointbaptist: Partial pregnancy? LOL. Seriously though, where is the comfort in Wommack's words? He's advocating purposelss evil. How does that work? God's up in heaven and when bad things happen He goes "oopsy."
what about the book of Job? Where God allowed satan to do everything to Job. God allows disaster, sickness,murder, and sin. God has a divine plan to take care of everything that is wrong and bad and unjustice. For His greater glory God allows this stuff too happen, so greater things came come! Our brains cannot fathom the big picture, and I'm glad it can't because then I would be able to imagine God fully which would make him no God at all.
bythecross09 10 months ago
sorry it took me a while to get round to seeing this Wayne. this guy basically just spent 11 minutes repeating the same thing over and over, and backed it up with 2 completely out of context lines of verse. (i too could quote out of context verses to refute his claims, but tit-for-tat gets nowhere)
anyway, this does not answer the questions you seemed to think it answers.
gothatfunk 1 year ago
@gothatfunk I find it curious that you are partial to a particular Christian theology when you are an atheist. Isn't the entire Bible B.S. anyway, to you? It would be like if I thought the Sunnis version of Islam were correct and not the Shiite Muslims. I think it's all wrong so siding would be pointless. But since you do, tell me, what is the correct context of the verses he uses?
AmericanWayne 1 year ago
@AmericanWayne you misunderstand the point. i'm not partial to any particular theology. i don't need to be to know that his version is no more valid than any other theological version, in particular the one he is trying to refute. all doctrines can cite scripture for their purpose.
gothatfunk 1 year ago
If God is in control of "all" things then we cannot say there is a single thing that God does not control. This includes the fact that I am publicly stating that God does NOT control everything. In addition, the events that took place in the OT were based on the complete lack of a savor unlike what we have today with Christ. Wayne has it right and that is all there is to it. Plus, if God was in control, we would have Heaven on earth.
winlightministries 1 year ago
@winlightministries Excellent point, I agree with every word in this comment. Please keep it up.
piusvapor 11 months ago
Guys listen to me for a second. G-d is all powerful but doesn’t control all things that happen. Think if it this way. You are a parent. You see that your child is playing around a shelf and you know that a paint can is going to fall off and hit them. So, you tell them. But they continue and the paint can falls off the shelf and hits the child. Who’s fault was it; Yours or the childs? It was the childs because the child didn’t listen to your warning. So it is with G-d.
Gruurk2 1 year ago
@Gruurk2 I totally agree!
AmericanWayne 1 year ago
God doesn't control everything? Then He's not sovereign! Partial sovereignty is like partial pregnancy. Absurd! Dictionary definition? Are you kidding! How about the biblical definition!
fivepointbaptist 1 year ago
@fivepointbaptist Did God cause the holocaust? Did God cause those priests to molest young boys? God is in control of everything? Really??
AmericanWayne 1 year ago
@AmericanWayne Yep! If he didn't, then He is not God! God is either in control of all things or He controls nothing! Free will theist, in an attempt to safeguard God, have adopted pagan philosophy. If only you guys would believe what the bible says. You're concerned about the holocaust? What about when God commanded His people to commit genocide on the pagans in the OT? You're concerned about child molestation? How about God causing the ultimate sin; the murder of Christ? Read your bible!!!!
fivepointbaptist 1 year ago
@fivepointbaptist Wow! You heard it here first, guys! Well then why be pro life if God chooses to abort millions of babies every year? Isn't that going against God's will? I read the Bible but I don't see the same tyrant you see. My God is benevolent. That is WHY Christ died on the cross. While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. God commanded genocide on the Canaanites and the flood as acts of benevolence, too. Watch my "Is God A Schizophrenic?" video for more about that.
AmericanWayne 1 year ago
@AmericanWayne Lord willing, I will make a video response to your comments here and demonstrate how absurd your statements are. God sent the flood as an act of love? LOL!!!!!
fivepointbaptist 1 year ago
@fivepointbaptist Of course they are absurd to you and I find comfort in that knowing where you are coming from theologically. You won't understand the things of God as long as you prescribe to the doctrine you do. The flood was an example of purging out the wicked so there would be the best lineage for Jesus to be born through. God found Noah to be pure. The Canaanites were given many warnings to repent. They would sacrifice their own young to their false gods.
AmericanWayne 1 year ago
@AmericanWayne They're absurd biblically! Not only will I demonstrate your error, but I will also go through this stupid video and show this moron to be the false teacher that he is. As far as I am concerned, you have just revealed that you are not even saved. Calling God a tyrant! Lord have mercy on you!
fivepointbaptist 1 year ago
@fivepointbaptist God is not a tyrant. Your perverted version of God is. Don't you agree? You defend God as the cause of the holocaust and yet you don't see him as a tyrant? Don't you see your inconsistencies? You are confused, Chris.
AmericanWayne 1 year ago
@AmericanWayne Provs.21:1The king’s heart is a stream of water in the hand of the LORD; he turns it wherever he will.
This pertains to all kings,rulers, emperors,presidents,dictators ect. prov 16:9 God determines every step of every man.God has numbered all mens days Ps 139:16Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them..
This guy is just another false teacher.
CBALLEN 11 months ago
@CBALLEN This man and those who believe him,are teaching false doctrine,even in the face of God Himself who says it is HE ALONE who brings all disaster on men Amos 3:6Is a trumpet blown in a city, and the people are not afraid? Does disaster come to a city, unless the LORD has done it? 2Peter 3:9 is speaking of His elect coming to Jesus before Jesus comes to destroy the world.God had 2 groups before time,one He saves and the other He passes over.God knows all things,even the goats before time.
CBALLEN 11 months ago
@fivepointbaptist: He lovingly wiped them from the face of the earth. :-D
theocratickingdom30 1 year ago
@fivepointbaptist: Partial pregnancy? LOL. Seriously though, where is the comfort in Wommack's words? He's advocating purposelss evil. How does that work? God's up in heaven and when bad things happen He goes "oopsy."
theocratickingdom30 1 year ago
This should be a foundational teaching in the church today. Thank you for posting this, Wayne! :-)
winlightministries 1 year ago