OMG, grown men getting along even when they dont think exactly the same!!! What has the world come to???? Wake up people..It was Emperors, Kings and Bishops that created and changed your bible....Do protestants even know about the council of Nicaea? Or Constantine? Or the Orthodox Church which existed 800 years before the Catholic Church or the sects that existed before them? They believed in reincarnation, Christ consciousness, that the devil was an Archetype of the human soul, this new faith..
Eugenicist and plagiarist Charles Darwin preached elitism, in that those who rise to the top economically, are there due to superior intellect. Darwin's commandment concerning the strong destroying the weak demands that society's elite class thin the herd within the lower classes of those who are infirmed, aged and sick through sterilization, abortion, contraceptives, poisoned inoculations, war, pestilence and willful neglect.
Why not equality for children who are to be adopted by same sex people? Aren't they in their right, should opportunity present itself, to have a mom and a dad and not two moms or two dads?
@kotarak it doesnt really matter to people like obama when it comes to needing votes. only reason he won the election in first place was A all the blacks wanted to make history with first black pres,B he leaned to the latios and C he supports gay rights. and in america that about 65% of the vote right there.
The Illuminati’s Council on Foreign Relations has enlisted the services of evangelicals, Pastor Rick Warren and Richard Land, to marshall tens of millions of evangelical Christians in a global crusade to convert humanity to the 'New Global Spirituality'.
These are 2 agents of Rockefeller's CFR, a subversive org. working towards the destruction of a free America & installation of the One World government.
Rick Warren are working towards the NWO's one "unified" spiritual "body".!
Maybe one day soon someone will get elected who everyone thinks was a christian but in the end he or she turns out to be one of us, I can hope can't I
"We're not gonna agree on every single issue" (1:40). If Obama were being honest his next sentence would have been “but we know we can use each other”. Alliances between politicians and pastors more and more are ending badly in the long run. In the short run election results and book sails benefit from the deal. Warren will be thrown under the bus like Wright if he becomes a problem.
@38tyranny2 Now I agree myself that I don't agree with everything Obama does. My experiences have shaped my views. But how can anyone listen to this speech and get something negative out of it or feel comfortabel in perverting what the man just said? This is what politics should always be about. Obama is a great man who, in my view, immerses himself in a mix of opinions and will do good for America. Sadly many will try to stop him at any cost. Conservatives are scared. Why?
@38tyranny2 Of course he's using Rick Warren. Only to show that he values diverse opinions. Let the contrary come to light before you assume. You're bigoted enough to assume he's going to put a KFC on every corner aren't you? Point out something specific that Obama has done to cause the financial problems we're experiencing. Point out where he is undoubtedly trying to crush capitalism. You are simply a bigot like Wright. You're scared to admit you're wrong and you've zero facts to present!
@mikemk92 Yeah Yeah. Go ahead. Spew out that I'm a liberal drone. That's an assumption you'll make and be wrong but you're not open minded so assumption is all you have. I'm agnostic but I applaud Rick Warrens views even though fundamentaly I disagree. If people find purpose in religion or not it doesn't matter to me so long as they do. I shutter at the thought of an all liberal or all conservative govt. We need opposing views to show we all would agree on more than we disagree. Agreed???
I can promise Obama that God will disagree with Him and His is the only opinion that counts....God is a just God and He will right every wrong that Has been committed against Him, His Word(Jesus), His children, and His chosen! Turn from your sin and trust the Savior (Jesus) He love you so very much!
@JXJ1326 my understanding is that he is saying we can disagree on an issue, but at the same time have respect for each other and not turn it into a squabble. He is saying that squabbling is being disagreable.
@Bestmanme08 The book Obama:Why Black America Shoudl Have Doubts tells of this cured gay he knew! The book Ted kenendy: the Early Years shows he got Kennedy help in getting elected!
Dang, Rick Warren has def. gone off the deep end if he really did let Obama speak at his "Church". Obama, I don't agree with his moral views. Its not about Morals, its about the condition of his heart, and his ain't good, nor is Rick Warren. He should be thrown out in the street and then be beaten. Rick is lying more to people than the Government.
I understand that a President must not alienate his electorate. I also understand (as does the Obama team) that over 50% of US citizens believe in the Barney Rubble view that the earth is 6000 years old. However, appeasing these folks that believe they will outlive their brain by giving the nod (and vastly more influence) to such a future embarrassment and clear charlatan was a big error. This guy will be caught with his pants down and money sticking in his hole - I bet all heaven on it.
to answer the last comment Obama reads most of his material he can do this very well in fact you think he is saying what he is reading off the cuff. When he can't just read he doesn't do so well. I don't mean totally terrible but not quite so slick and seeminly flawless in presentation. I sam not a Obama man but I will give him props for being a good reader
why rich warren though? whats the connection obomba? what now this muthafucka has a stuttering problem. he musta memorized those speechs before his election, all eloquence is gone now
For NY and 13 states you will be destroyed by incoming meteor in just under 7 months I highly recommend a prophetic movie called Deep Impact with Morgan Freeman made in 1998-this will happen as close to anything I have ever seen or heard of! notice the dates for 2010 and also a black president when it all takes place, this movie is going to shock you when you understand it will happen this year! get back to me if you want at (fallenstar . us)
YEAH LETS MURDER BABIES AND DATE AND MARRY THE SAME SEX,THATS WHAT IS AND HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME NOW,ITS A VERY EVIL WORLD WE LIVE IN BUT IT WILL ALL COME TO AN END SOME DAY,gOD IS GETTING TIRED OF ALL THIS,AND SO AM I.
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I wish Obama had said "There's nobody better at blowing smoke up Christian assholes than Rick Warren. My administration hopes to continue to pay lip service to those pathetic excuses for Americans because to do otherwise risks their ignorant wrath. People too stupid to do what's best for themselves or their country simply must be humored if we eventually hope to build a society so personally empowering that no one needs this kind of garbage to create meaningful lives for themselves."
Through the blood of Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life- you can believe there is another way but your dead wrong-Obama is not the way, or Ophra or any other leader, their ideas of one world religion and government is not the way! The Tower of Babylon was melted down to its core for the same belief, the United States is duplicating that same mistake
My name is John Ravenwolf ( Ameican Indian) and this is my testimony
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Interesting that you'd endorse the religion of the people that stole your land, destroyed your culture, and brought diseases that wiped out your ancestors.
Why should we heed the advice of someone who endorses an ideology that leads people to such cruelty? You should be ridiculed and shunned as an insult to humanity itself.
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects without troubling to ascertain whether the higher, in fact, exists at the level of the lower. If lowly matter is unable even at the highest stage of its development, namely thought and reflection— ....
either to create itself or to violate any of the laws that rule over it, it follows ineluctably that it is unable to create other beings and the laws regulating them. How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?
After the movement against the war in Vietnam, the violent civil rights activists, black panthers and Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and other radical terrorist organizations were given instructions to assimilate into the mainstream of America and work there to bring about socialism/the leader of the SDS in Seattle, became a rabbi, warren led a march on his local courthouse for the SDS; so does he still believe what he professed in the 1960s?
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pray for me, gum desease, Jesus tole me he doesnt need for me to have teeth, and he told me he wanted me to loose my teeth to embarras, me, my face muscles tighten when bine used like winking, damaging, I see Jesus in visions and he laughs at me, pray for me
People use their faith and/or reason to vote for or against abortion, the death penalty, etc. It's certainly not the only thing that shapes a legislator's views and it's certainly not unconstitutional for a person to vote a certain way based on strongly held beliefs, no matter where they come from.
To quote a famous person: "O ye of little faith".
And yet faith creeps into a great deal of public policy that gets put into law. Must make non-believers shudder to know that the abolitionist movement was led by people of deep faith, rather than those who depended on "logic" and "intellect" as their north star.
By your reckoning, anyone with a faith system is ignorant to a degree. Certainly not as "enlightened" as one like you who professes to either know all the truth or relies on science to provide all the answers.
Everybody is ignorant to a degree. There is so much we do not know and probably cannot know about the universe. The only honest answer is we don't know but therein lies the problem.
Religion claims it does know. All we need to know is that there is a god who can do anything!
That is what I am opposed to as it retards thought and honest inquiry. Anybody who claims to know everything because of a human document written centuries before we knew anything about anything should be scoffed at.
Yet you display your own degree of ignorance in thinking that faith retards thought and honest inquiry. You seem to take the position that one check's one's brain at the church door, which is simply a stereotype of many believers who value scientific inquiry as well as questioning faith.
Belief in a God may not necessarily stifle thought but belief in religious teachings, dogma and the words in Holy Books do.
In Saudi Arabia they are completely dependent of foreign workers because none of their citizens know how anything works. A nation's potential intellect sacrificed to religion.
The Creationist movement in the US is attempting to do exactly the same thing.
I don't have a problem with people of faith so long as they call it that and it does not interfere in education.
Actually, if you are referring to the Christian God, I have researched the origins of Christianity, the Bible and other world religions. If you did the same you would soon realise that Christianity is a mash-up of many earlier religions and the Jesus character is based on many earlier Pagan, Egyptian and Babylonian myths.
You should watch 'Who Wrote The Bible' on my channel. It is made by a Christian so there is no bias in my favour.
I agree with you on your perception of modern day Christianity. I am not a practitioner of that mish mash of pagan / biblical system, but am a Messianic Christian, that is to say, I study and practice the Bible without the greek /pagan influence, and more from an historic Jewish perspective. In fact, the "Yeshua" Rick Warren spoke towards the end of his speech is the Hebrew word for Salvation, which is actually Jesus' name in the Original Hebrew. Not all believers in Jesus practice paganism.
Look up Messianic Judaism, if you want to learn more about Christianity without paganism. After 333 AD or so, and with the Council of Nicea, the belief in Jesus got hijacked, and from then on the Christians created their own religion, devoid of any semblance of Judaism, which is the "religion" Jesus himself practiced and he was the fulfillment of the promise Yah (God) made to Abraham and all the later Hebrews. I am not a Jew, but I love Yeshua, "Jesus" and really "Do what Jesus did."
You have your life and I have mine. You are free to spend it worshipping god if you like. I'll stick to spending mine as constuctively and productively as I see fit.
All living organisms on this planet are going to die and we are no different. Subscribing to a religion is not going to change that fact.
bonang: You never gave me one quote, and instead, you repeat the same mantra. But I see you just don't have any evidence to back yourself up. Next time you make broad statements based on the brainwashing you have received in the US public education system, you might have something to back it up. You have been brainwashed, and you are comfortable with your mantra: "there is no god" that you are too lazy to look deeper and find out for yourself, or consider the evidence proving otherwise.
bonangu: Yesterday you asked for evidence that the founding fathers were Christians. I supplied you with 5 quotes. You continued speaking in generalities, and haven't given me one quote from a founding father to the contrary, even though you claim you have "read the original documents." I'm still waiting for those quotes, from you since you deem yourself such an "expert." You have no facts, you are not intellectual, you just hate God, and hate that others love him. Turn to God.
You did no such thing. You did not produce one quote that even mentions Christianity. However, I directed you to a video that a user had courteously created that contained many quotes from the founding fathers regarding their thoughts towards religion and their abhorrence of Christianity.
I do not claim to be an expert on US history either, but, I do know as most others do that the ff separated Church and State for a good reason. It was a civilisational impulse against religious dogma.
bonang: JOHN ADAMS said in 1798, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." At the time, the main religion in the USA was Christianity, and a very pious form of it at that!
bonang: ABRAHAM LINCOLN said: "The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion." Abraham Lincoln's religion was Christianity, it is proven by other writings of his.
Nowhere in that quote does Lincoln mention Christianity. In fact he said this "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
Look into his Thanksgiving Proclamation of 1863 for yourself. I can't type it all here. The Christian God is all over it. Either he or you or the person who said he did not believe the Bible or Christianity is a liar, because by Linclon's own words in that historical speech and document (The speech that started the US practicing Thanksgiving every year the 4th Thursday of November) he said much about God, repentance, and reliance on God for the security and blessing of our nation.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN in the Thanksgiving Proclamation of 1863 said, "It is the duty of nations as well as of men to own thier dependence upon the overruling power of GOD; to confess their sins. . .in humble sorrow. . announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations are blessed WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD. . ." His god was the god of the Judeo Christian Bible: YHWH and the Savior of the New Testament, Jesus. It is proven by other historical writings.
No it wasn't as my quote below clearly states. Lincoln did not mention god at all before entering politics. You should realise that many US politicians have to lie about their religious beliefs in order to gain votes from the Christian right.
Google 'Abraham Lincoln atheist' and work your way through the quotes if you like.
I agree that perhaps he was a huge liar as are most politicians these days. But you cannot refute that one will believe he is a Christian by his own speeches and writings. Lets agree that Politicians are liars, and stop this. You don't have the evidence to convince me the fathers were agnostic / athiest, and you do not want to accept the facts as presented to you that many if not most were leaning toward traditional Christianity. I now shake the dust off my feet at this point and move on.
Count yourself amont the few, then, who need concrete, tangible evidence for everything in their lives, otherwise it's impossible or illogical. I don't for one minute discount logic and intellect. I do feel that God gave us brains He wants us to use. Non-believers seem unable, though, to take a step of faith and believe there's an intangible they, or science, can't explain.
It's not that we are unable to. There's simply no reason to.
There is no explanation left for the origins of the cosmos, life or our natural world that requires the insertion of the supernatural. In every case we have a better or sufficient explanation.
It would be wrong to believe there are some things we can't and should not try to explain. That is simply welcoming ignorance. Science strives to understand things and that's why I love it.
And there a large numbers of committed Christians in every field of science including medical research.
You're simply discouraged because what you feel is the sure logic of atheistic thought hasn't been able to stamp out a "superstition" that to you has no reason for being.
Faith, combined with intellect, is perplexing to atheists because, to them, intellect is supreme and nothing is to be taken on faith.
I have no problem with people who separate faith from science. I would agree with Stephen J. Gould when he said that they belong to non-overlapping magisteria.
I simply get frustrated, and quite frankly, angry when the faithful attempt to push beliefs into the educational arena.
We must all surely place intelligence, logic, sense and reason above faith. I don't understand why faith is a good thing? I find it utterly useless and dangerous to believe in something without evidence.
carnaco... Faith is very difficult to remove in a great many people. There is no denying that. As Martin Luther said, in what I consider to be the most sinister Christian quote of them all, 'Give me the boy for his first seven years and I will show you the man'.
It will be the next generations who will be the greatest benefactors of the age of reason.
One more quote from none other than GEORGE WASHINGTON, 1st president of the USA:
"It having pleased the Almighty Ruler of the Universe propitiously to defend the cause of the United States of America. . . let us set apart a day for gratefully acknowledging the Divine Goodness. . . which we owe to His benign interposition." Which Almighty Ruler do you think he was talking about? I have given you another quote by GW where he states exactly WHO he thinks the Divine Ruler is: Jesus Christ.
bonang: On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in DC are inscribed the words : "Laus Deo" Those words were added around 1913, 75 years after the monument was build. Do you know what those words mean? They mean "PRAISE GOD!" Within the monument, on the landings are inscriptions of Prayers, and Bible verses. To get rid of the faith of our early nation, one would have to tear down or deface many historical buildings: like the Egyptian pharoahs did to the images of old pharoahs.
bonang--You say that the founding fathers weren't atheists or agnostics. However, if they had all the information we have today they probably would be.
How do you square that with the fact that as we increase in knowledge all the time, people of faith rarely waver from their faith. In fact, people are added to their numbers every day. Seems with all this knowledge around we'd see a majority of atheists and agnostics in societies worldwide.
We do see a massive proportion of atheists and agnostics in the scientific community.
And as figures show as intelligence level rises religious belief falls. Atheism is sweeping Europe and has doubled in the US over recent years.
We are now living in the age of science and reason when, hopefully, ancient superstitions will be put to bed.
It is true that no matter what scientific discoveries are made some people will just say 'Ah that just makes God even more clever than what we thought.
yes,more people are turning against God,its fullfilling the bible,the world is getting worse and worse,Praise God for ever more! I am saved and will be in heaven 1 day,I do hope you will find out different before you leave this world.There is a God and he loves you.
The democrats are a party that hangs their hats on uniting the country. That has been the motto for years but they are so lucky that they found this Barack Obama. One of the smoothest politicians that I have ever seen. He has been a strong advocate on his issues though.
The Bible started being written 1600 years BC. It wasn't only Jesus who said to love thy neighbor, it was from the Father initially. Time did not begin for the Bible when Jesus was born. Maybe you should read the OLD testament. And, BTW, Confuscius was just a man...like every philosopher.
Jesus MAIN message was not simply "Love thy neighbor"...it was, "Repent and live a pious life from that point forward or you'll burn in hell." He was sent as an ultimate and final sacrifice for our sins.
Speaking of that separation issue, what was that book Obama put his hand on yesterday? Funny how that keeps popping-up as a constant in the courts too. Wake-up! "In GOD we trust. All men are CREATED equal. Inalienable, GOD-given rights." These are not simply polite sentiments, they are full-on beliefs that people died and continue to die for.
Typical foolish interpretation of "separation of Church and State" in the Jefferson comment. That was put in place to protect the church FROM the state, not vice-versa. Jefferson was a student of the Enlightenment.
bonangusacdc: Obviously you have been reading revisionist history. The founding Fathers knew that without God, our country was lost. Not all were Christians, many were Deists, but they all believed in an All Powerful God, who our country needed to be blessed. Get a book that contains copies of original documents, and you will see that your statement is blatantly false.
I have read the original documents. There is no mention of Christianity. They did not believe in an all powerful God, much less one who interfered in human affairs. If they were alive today, with the knowledge we now possess about the cosmos and our natural world, they would most certainly be agnostic/atheist.
bonangu: You are a liar, because if you truly have read (all) the original documents, then you would have run across this one: "Let us humbly commit our righteous cause to the Great Lord of the universe..." John Hancock
bonangu: In all your reading, did you happen to come across this quote by SAMUEL ADAMS: "We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom alone men ought to be obedient. . ." And what about JOHN ADAMS, the 2nd President of the USA: "It is the will of Heaven that the two countries should be sundered forever. . . but I submit all my hopes and fears to an overruling Providence, in which unfashionably as the faith may be, I firmly believe." SHALL I GO ON? You believe a REVISIONIST history.
I could go on and on. Entire books have been published with photographs of the original writings containing quotations from the founding fathers, proclaiming their faith in God, and the Judeo Christian faith. You need to stop lying and go online to purchase one of these books containing precious documents, because you won't find them in your secular, REVISIONIST HISTORY book stores. I recommend America's Providential History, by Beliles & McDowell as a starter. Then you can get heavier ones
You are trying to build an invisible bridge between references to God, which they only ever meant in the deistic sense, and Judeo-Christianity which they did not want.
There are many quotes taken from primary sources that demonstrate clearly the founding fathers attitudes towards religion.
By making absurd claims like 'atheists supress the truth' you have made yourself sound ridiculous.
For centuries it has been the religious institutions of this world who have censored and destroyed info.
Regarding "religious institutions" censoring and destroying info, I agree, it has happened. But today, the Atheistic or World Religion crowd is not telling the whole truth anymore. I have lots more quotes from the founding fathers, stating their beliefs, and I know those statements would never be published in a High School American History book.
What is clear is that the founding fathers did not want religion to play any part in civilised government and took the necessary measures to make it so.
The internet has opened up a wealth of information that is available to anybody who wishes to learn about history. Obviously, some sources are more authoritative than others and many will be biased.
If I were a Christian I would be more concerned about the history of my faith and the Bible more than anything else.
bonangu: Your statement: "What is clear is that..." shows one more evidence that you have been taught and believe revisionist history. The founding fathers wanted to make sure governent never controlled religion, not the other way around! Again, I ask for original quotes of the founding fathers, supporting what you believe, if you can find them. You don't have any evidence. You are just parroting the revisionist history that is being taught in secular schools and society. I'm waiting. . .
I did not say that. I said they wanted the Government completely out of religion. But they clearly believed that Divine Providence was needed when properly leading this nation. And they knew that our government would only be effective if the leaders listened and were allowed to seek the face of God. If you go to Washington, you see all kinds of historical / archaeological evidences that they believed a "just" and "righteous" government needed to stick close to the teachings of the Bible.
bonangu: your link took me nowhere. You still have given me absolutely no evidence. George Washington said: "Almighty God; We make our ernest prayer that Thou will keep these United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou will incline the hearts of the citizens . . . that Thou will most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy. . .Grant our supplication. . .through Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen." Sounds like Washington relied on God for everything, does't it?
bonang: You think that "modern day knowledge" makes people agnostic/atheists? Speaking for myself, studying Biological Science, Anatomy and Chemistry in College only made me more aware of how complex our world is, and the impossibility that it all happened "by accident upon accident." It enforced my (feeble at the time) belief in God. There are not enough years in the scientists theories of evolution to allow for it all to happen by chance: there is a Divine Creator. Science proves GOD!
Nothing in biology is an accident. Evolution by Natural Selection is the complete opposite of chance and accident. And I have no idea what you mean by 'not enough years'?
You don't need to respond. Claiming god is science based is laughable and makes you sound incredible insecure in your faith.
This would be my whole argument. People do not have much faith in god anymore. They are desperately looking around for evidence of this entity of which there is none whatsoever.
And as for your accusation that "people are desperately looking around for evidence of this entity.' I studied Biological Sciences because I love science. I still do. But everything I learned was so complex and intricate, expecially the biological systems like photosynthesis and the krebs cycle, metabolism, I found myself in awe of God, because it is impossible for it all to come about incrementally, it had to all happen at once, or it would have simply stopped and degraded into atoms again.
bonang: I gave you 4 quotes out of hundreds made, to support the truth as History tells it. The founding fathers were Christians or at least Deists. Give me some quotes to support your belief, that they were not, since according to you, you have "read the original documents." Let's be intellectually honest here. It is your turn to give me an atheistic or agnostic quote from 4 founding fathers. I'm waiting. . .
You haven't given me one quote that mentions Christianity.
I did not say the founding fathers were agnostic/atheists. I just stated that with all the modern day knowledge we now have it would be very likely that they would be.
bonang: They did not use the word "Christianity." Theirs was a personal God, a faith, not a "religion." When I speak of my God, I don't use the word, "Christianity" either. I speak my belief, my faith, my expectations, just like the quotes I gave you. Your insistence for the word "Christianity" stems from your lack of understanding about "faith" and living it out daily. It's not an "out there" concept. It is a lifestyle. The founding fathers had that lifestyle and faith.
An intellectually honest person is not afraid to admit when he lacks knowledge. Nor is he/she afraid to read actual historical documents which prove he/she has been wrong. Be intellectually honest. The truth is (still) out there and you can see with your own eyes what was said and written by our founding fathers. With modern printing and photograpgy, it is easy to get one's hands on the truth. But these days, you have to dig for it, because Athiests supress the truth.
I get it. He makes sense. I love you President Obama. Now its time for me to get on Pastor Warren and let him know JUST how noisy I can be. Being noisy got me honored in TEXAS for my O-Ba-Ma video. I am fiercer now myself now that Bush can't put me in Guantanamo for shaking my hips on YouTube. I support you Barack, you are very cool. Now that Dolemite is in heaven, YOU are the coolest!
It's amazing to me that this country that was founded on Christian ethics and freedom of speech, now uses that very freedom to mock those believers who still subscribe to the same ethics, morals and creeds that originally created the reason for the settlers to leave Europe and references them as "loonies", "witch doctors" and other negative appellations.
Founded on Christian ethics... I think many of the Founding Fathers would disagree with you, Jefferson especially.. and to this day only two of the Ten Commandments are actually laws (kill\steal). Christ's main message "Love your neighbour as yourself" actually comes from Confuscious from about 500 BC
I wouldn't have had a witch doctor talk nonsense at all. I expect Obama didn't want a pastor either but that politics. You have to appease the religious loonies.
You can't blame Obama for not knowing what Christian preacher to bring in. I mean, as a muslim, he's not real informed on Christianity. After all, he wasn't even born in America. You have to realize that Osama's(I mean Barack Hussein Obama's) entire election is just so he can be a puppet for the middle east anyway as he helps ease Americans out of GOD's hands and into a more accepting nature of "anything goes" for the eventual coming of the anti-christ.
He isn't a muslim, even the right wing radicals know this, and he also was born in this country. That was a propaganda ad put out by the Christian church and has been laughed at by most Christians. They wanted to not get Obama into office by using the two main fears of americans... Muslims
As the Democrats do with every interest group in existence, they probably included Warren to fulfill the need for a token evangelical Christian, a group almost non-existent in the Democratic party. All part of their quota system.
Obama betrayed the LGBT community's support by showcasing HATER Rick Warren in his inauguration. Due to the outrage, he asked gay Bishop Gene Robinson to pray at the "We Are One" concert. But Team Obama cynically scheduled Robinson's prayer 5 minutes BEFORE the HBO telecast began. Amplify the Hater, Mute the Hated! There is NO SEPARATE BUT EQUAL. WE AREN'T ONE, WE ARE SHUNNED. If this is The Change, it's Pocket Change.
Not a good start for Obama, then. But why should this be so surprising? Obama wants to be uniter not a divider - just like Bush said in 2000, remember? But of course, as we saw under Bush, you can't get anything done (good or bad) without offending someone. This attempt to reach out is unnecessary and useless. It only damages Obama and alienates his supporters. The man has poor judgment. So good luck to us all...
Homosexuality will never gain acceptance among people who see it as a choice, not something that one is born with.
There's no valid scientific study that indicates that it is due to anything but nurture.
As long as homosexuals ridicule those who claim to have been homosexuals & have left that lifestyle, they'll continue to lose any credence or acceptance, they seek.
The existence of 1 person who was once a homosexual threatens the claim of all homosexuals that they "were born this way".
Are you really this stupid? Its observed in the animal kingdom, and it's well known that insects can be hermaphadites as well as plants. You and your kind who spread false information only do so to further your stupidity and continue the continuation of non-thinking, also known as "faith". Wake up already, take off your hair shirt and evolve, you are not made in his image, you area pawn in a game that makes no kind of sense. Idiot.
This is what I find typical about some skeptics, liberals or non-believers. When someone states their Bible-based belief they reply w/insults.
So, on the basis of insects & plants you're confident in making the grand assumption that the same is also true of humans, w/not a single shred of evidence in the form of a "gay gene" as proof.
Save your insults & try being considerate, even w/people you think are idiots. They may think the same of you but show the courtesy of answering w/out insults.
Thanks for your well-formulated comments. It pretty much verifies the responses I've seen to posts by believers. Would you use the same terms when discussing issues with scientists who are committed Christians. Have they left their brains at the door of the lab or the church? Or is respect reserved for them and anyone on a message board coming from a position of faith is an idiot?
One thing that's gone out the window is the acceptance of the fact that there is such a thing as absolute truth. Situational ethics is the norm and anyone holding to an unchangeable truth is held up to ridicule, which is to be expected, as the Word tells us.
But light does get through. Seeds are planted and watered.
Are you gay? Ever had gay feelings? probably not. How can you say it is a choice? Could you put your dick in anothers man´s ass without feeling totally freaked out? If its no, you are hetero. If its yes: THAN YOU ARE GAY!
Are homosexuals somehow terrified that if they have heterosexual thoughts they might just possibly be (HORRORS) heterosexual? As if their having such thoughts might indicate they have a choice and force them to acknowledge God "didn't make me gay". Their abnormal attraction is too strong for them to admit it's a choice, so they take the easy way out and "affirm the way they were born".
obama worked his ass off to achieve what he has, warren is a mother fucker
boogiebuddy01 3 months ago
rick warren is a fucking rich bastard
boogiebuddy01 3 months ago
rick warren is an idiot
SUlax1017 6 months ago
OMG, grown men getting along even when they dont think exactly the same!!! What has the world come to???? Wake up people..It was Emperors, Kings and Bishops that created and changed your bible....Do protestants even know about the council of Nicaea? Or Constantine? Or the Orthodox Church which existed 800 years before the Catholic Church or the sects that existed before them? They believed in reincarnation, Christ consciousness, that the devil was an Archetype of the human soul, this new faith..
N1k1mon 6 months ago
@tobroke2007 so it has nothing to do with the fact that he comes across as a rational, logical and decent human being?
Danfitz2010 8 months ago
the god of obama and warren is a pretend god that isn't worth any mentioning. There is a real God, but almost no one knows Him.
servant714 8 months ago
god this sis stupid lets find somethin better to watch!
PancakeBatter123 8 months ago
Come quickly Lord Jesus and fix this mess of a world we made!
gallantentry 9 months ago 2
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Eugenicist and plagiarist Charles Darwin preached elitism, in that those who rise to the top economically, are there due to superior intellect. Darwin's commandment concerning the strong destroying the weak demands that society's elite class thin the herd within the lower classes of those who are infirmed, aged and sick through sterilization, abortion, contraceptives, poisoned inoculations, war, pestilence and willful neglect.
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SoiledSouls 10 months ago
He chose Rick Warren to make himself look more moderate...it was a political move and that's it.
funk7000 1 year ago
Why not equality for children who are to be adopted by same sex people? Aren't they in their right, should opportunity present itself, to have a mom and a dad and not two moms or two dads?
kotarak 1 year ago
@kotarak What about the rights of children to not be indoctrinated by religion?
TheLuckySaGe 9 months ago
@kotarak it doesnt really matter to people like obama when it comes to needing votes. only reason he won the election in first place was A all the blacks wanted to make history with first black pres,B he leaned to the latios and C he supports gay rights. and in america that about 65% of the vote right there.
tobroke2007 8 months ago
The Illuminati’s Council on Foreign Relations has enlisted the services of evangelicals, Pastor Rick Warren and Richard Land, to marshall tens of millions of evangelical Christians in a global crusade to convert humanity to the 'New Global Spirituality'.
These are 2 agents of Rockefeller's CFR, a subversive org. working towards the destruction of a free America & installation of the One World government.
Rick Warren are working towards the NWO's one "unified" spiritual "body".!
SovereignBeing 1 year ago
Obama is tool! Just like every other member of our two party system of politics.
jlusipher369 1 year ago
I have posted videos on the sickness and ugliness of heterosexuality. Watch them, they are revolutionary.
HeavenNewRevelation 1 year ago
What a fing coward
trexx32 1 year ago
OMG a black man is president..............shit i just woke up from a coma.
IGNsucks 1 year ago 5
@IGNsucks
great a black president, how about an atheist president?
RACISTASSHOLE 8 months ago 9
@RACISTASSHOLE fortunately we live in a time where that may just happen............soon
IGNsucks 8 months ago
@RACISTASSHOLE YES> YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
isselman2000 7 months ago
@RACISTASSHOLE one can only dream.
Maybe one day soon someone will get elected who everyone thinks was a christian but in the end he or she turns out to be one of us, I can hope can't I
rjh00 5 months ago
@IGNsucks lol but he isnt black he is mixed race
TREYBELLS 7 months ago
Oh yeah.. SO that's why Obama has done such pain staking work in the name of LGBT community.. Asshole. They're two douche's in different suits.
stitches815 1 year ago
A new Website for all Religions to Discuss their Differences, - iuchat . com
DiazRemington 1 year ago
@JXJ1326 It means that we can disagree without tearing each other apart, or engaging in carictur assasinations
Andrewcranky 1 year ago
"We're not gonna agree on every single issue" (1:40). If Obama were being honest his next sentence would have been “but we know we can use each other”. Alliances between politicians and pastors more and more are ending badly in the long run. In the short run election results and book sails benefit from the deal. Warren will be thrown under the bus like Wright if he becomes a problem.
38tyranny2 1 year ago
@38tyranny2 Now I agree myself that I don't agree with everything Obama does. My experiences have shaped my views. But how can anyone listen to this speech and get something negative out of it or feel comfortabel in perverting what the man just said? This is what politics should always be about. Obama is a great man who, in my view, immerses himself in a mix of opinions and will do good for America. Sadly many will try to stop him at any cost. Conservatives are scared. Why?
mikemk92 1 year ago
@38tyranny2 Of course he's using Rick Warren. Only to show that he values diverse opinions. Let the contrary come to light before you assume. You're bigoted enough to assume he's going to put a KFC on every corner aren't you? Point out something specific that Obama has done to cause the financial problems we're experiencing. Point out where he is undoubtedly trying to crush capitalism. You are simply a bigot like Wright. You're scared to admit you're wrong and you've zero facts to present!
mikemk92 1 year ago
@mikemk92 Yeah Yeah. Go ahead. Spew out that I'm a liberal drone. That's an assumption you'll make and be wrong but you're not open minded so assumption is all you have. I'm agnostic but I applaud Rick Warrens views even though fundamentaly I disagree. If people find purpose in religion or not it doesn't matter to me so long as they do. I shutter at the thought of an all liberal or all conservative govt. We need opposing views to show we all would agree on more than we disagree. Agreed???
mikemk92 1 year ago
I can promise Obama that God will disagree with Him and His is the only opinion that counts....God is a just God and He will right every wrong that Has been committed against Him, His Word(Jesus), His children, and His chosen! Turn from your sin and trust the Savior (Jesus) He love you so very much!
belovedgirltoHim 1 year ago
@JXJ1326 my understanding is that he is saying we can disagree on an issue, but at the same time have respect for each other and not turn it into a squabble. He is saying that squabbling is being disagreable.
timpanitimptim 1 year ago
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Obama the first half-caste biracial mixed-race president not black
OBAMAisHalfCaste 1 year ago
Obama knew somebody cured of being gay! Call 1-888-264-0877 for a genuine homosexual cure!
Bestmanme08 1 year ago
@Bestmanme08 The book Obama:Why Black America Shoudl Have Doubts tells of this cured gay he knew! The book Ted kenendy: the Early Years shows he got Kennedy help in getting elected!
Bestmanme08 1 year ago
Dang, Rick Warren has def. gone off the deep end if he really did let Obama speak at his "Church". Obama, I don't agree with his moral views. Its not about Morals, its about the condition of his heart, and his ain't good, nor is Rick Warren. He should be thrown out in the street and then be beaten. Rick is lying more to people than the Government.
WorldWar2ismylastnam 1 year ago
God created, God created, God created there is a creator, and we are not him.
1loveandove1 1 year ago
I understand that a President must not alienate his electorate. I also understand (as does the Obama team) that over 50% of US citizens believe in the Barney Rubble view that the earth is 6000 years old. However, appeasing these folks that believe they will outlive their brain by giving the nod (and vastly more influence) to such a future embarrassment and clear charlatan was a big error. This guy will be caught with his pants down and money sticking in his hole - I bet all heaven on it.
Dieselcrunch 1 year ago
Invite 2 C my fav 3 "The End of the World" vids (Thx 4 considering :)
dimstar4now 1 year ago
to answer the last comment Obama reads most of his material he can do this very well in fact you think he is saying what he is reading off the cuff. When he can't just read he doesn't do so well. I don't mean totally terrible but not quite so slick and seeminly flawless in presentation. I sam not a Obama man but I will give him props for being a good reader
How4gospel 2 years ago
why rich warren though? whats the connection obomba? what now this muthafucka has a stuttering problem. he musta memorized those speechs before his election, all eloquence is gone now
D1E5ECT 2 years ago
For NY and 13 states you will be destroyed by incoming meteor in just under 7 months I highly recommend a prophetic movie called Deep Impact with Morgan Freeman made in 1998-this will happen as close to anything I have ever seen or heard of! notice the dates for 2010 and also a black president when it all takes place, this movie is going to shock you when you understand it will happen this year! get back to me if you want at (fallenstar . us)
ravenwolf789 2 years ago
Your maggot mouth judged you! your time is up!
I am Ravenwolf
ravenwolf789 2 years ago
YEAH LETS MURDER BABIES AND DATE AND MARRY THE SAME SEX,THATS WHAT IS AND HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME NOW,ITS A VERY EVIL WORLD WE LIVE IN BUT IT WILL ALL COME TO AN END SOME DAY,gOD IS GETTING TIRED OF ALL THIS,AND SO AM I.
honeyman1964 2 years ago
Then get your nastyass, sagging body, and decaying mind away from the rest of us cuz you're a waste to humanity.
honeyman can't wait to die, we won't care.
Clifton100 2 years ago
he's " uh " ing , AAAAAAAALLLLLLOOOOOOOTTTTTTTT
gap0610 2 years ago
how is the President a fierce advocate of equality for gays and lesbians, when he is against gay marriage?
God he's a prick sometimes..
23heap 2 years ago
How will Obama explain his silence while Rick Warren is creating a program of anti-gay genocide in Africa?
Obama is toast if he doesn't stand up to this Satanic preacher...
informatist 2 years ago
obama's awesome; (just completely legalize gay rights)
438426x1 2 years ago
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It speaks to the "validity" of Rick Warren.
Sadly, a great percentage of the world's population are duped by these two bozo's.
Romans 10:9.
andyboots37 2 years ago
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I wish Obama had said "There's nobody better at blowing smoke up Christian assholes than Rick Warren. My administration hopes to continue to pay lip service to those pathetic excuses for Americans because to do otherwise risks their ignorant wrath. People too stupid to do what's best for themselves or their country simply must be humored if we eventually hope to build a society so personally empowering that no one needs this kind of garbage to create meaningful lives for themselves."
ananiasacts 2 years ago
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There is no confusion!
Through the blood of Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life- you can believe there is another way but your dead wrong-Obama is not the way, or Ophra or any other leader, their ideas of one world religion and government is not the way! The Tower of Babylon was melted down to its core for the same belief, the United States is duplicating that same mistake
My name is John Ravenwolf ( Ameican Indian) and this is my testimony
ravenwolf789 2 years ago
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Interesting that you'd endorse the religion of the people that stole your land, destroyed your culture, and brought diseases that wiped out your ancestors.
Why should we heed the advice of someone who endorses an ideology that leads people to such cruelty? You should be ridiculed and shunned as an insult to humanity itself.
ananiasacts 2 years ago
god is not real
religious cults are not the way
idaman12345 2 years ago
@idaman12345 God is the creator, without him the life wouldnt make sense at all.
estebanSkater 2 years ago
sure if believing that a fictional creature makes sense that your welcome to
but reality is god does not exist
idaman12345 2 years ago
God and Empirical Logic.
Matter or God?
Take your choice!
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery!
1tabligh 1 year ago
something very real or god?
hard choice
idaman12345 1 year ago
God and Empirical Logic.
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects without troubling to ascertain whether the higher, in fact, exists at the level of the lower. If lowly matter is unable even at the highest stage of its development, namely thought and reflection— ....
1tabligh 1 year ago
either to create itself or to violate any of the laws that rule over it, it follows ineluctably that it is unable to create other beings and the laws regulating them. How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?
1tabligh 1 year ago
He that makes all things vacant, and void.
This resident of these Un-tied states.
BHO !!! Glade to have he there, in the UK.
Demama777 2 years ago
Don't worry Canadians and Mexicans us Americans we'll be with you as one soon N.A.U.!
hawknstef 2 years ago
After the movement against the war in Vietnam, the violent civil rights activists, black panthers and Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and other radical terrorist organizations were given instructions to assimilate into the mainstream of America and work there to bring about socialism/the leader of the SDS in Seattle, became a rabbi, warren led a march on his local courthouse for the SDS; so does he still believe what he professed in the 1960s?
Isawanangel1X 2 years ago
This is what i like most about obama, his willingness to make a bridge with those on the far right and to accept that people have differant opinions.
cunttt43 2 years ago
Even though I am canadian. I think it Obama is exactly spot on with the views.
Rick Warren, I wonder at times.
I like that Quote "We can disagree without being disagreeable" Amen to that.
silentslumbers 2 years ago
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pray for me, gum desease, Jesus tole me he doesnt need for me to have teeth, and he told me he wanted me to loose my teeth to embarras, me, my face muscles tighten when bine used like winking, damaging, I see Jesus in visions and he laughs at me, pray for me
utubiaman 3 years ago
Obama has a very open mind. Those who disagree with Rick Warren speaking at his inaugeration could learn from Obama and open up their narrow minds.
Madnessonman 3 years ago
People use their faith and/or reason to vote for or against abortion, the death penalty, etc. It's certainly not the only thing that shapes a legislator's views and it's certainly not unconstitutional for a person to vote a certain way based on strongly held beliefs, no matter where they come from.
carnaco2 3 years ago
To quote a famous person: "O ye of little faith".
And yet faith creeps into a great deal of public policy that gets put into law. Must make non-believers shudder to know that the abolitionist movement was led by people of deep faith, rather than those who depended on "logic" and "intellect" as their north star.
carnaco2 3 years ago
"Faith creeps into a great deal of public policy". Do you think that is a good thing? Do you believe in the separation of Church and State?
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
It's funny....you talk about faith creeping in. Do you even know where you got that quote from that "famous person?" Jesus Christ said it.
skc85465 3 years ago
A few years ago I could have used that quote and no one would be mistaken as to its source.
I used it purposely because I knew exactly the source of the statement.
carnaco2 3 years ago
"we are diverse, and noisy, and opinionated." 2:28
very correct. as is evident in the comments posted here.
iaretehpwnz 3 years ago
By your reckoning, anyone with a faith system is ignorant to a degree. Certainly not as "enlightened" as one like you who professes to either know all the truth or relies on science to provide all the answers.
carnaco2 3 years ago
Everybody is ignorant to a degree. There is so much we do not know and probably cannot know about the universe. The only honest answer is we don't know but therein lies the problem.
Religion claims it does know. All we need to know is that there is a god who can do anything!
That is what I am opposed to as it retards thought and honest inquiry. Anybody who claims to know everything because of a human document written centuries before we knew anything about anything should be scoffed at.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Yet you display your own degree of ignorance in thinking that faith retards thought and honest inquiry. You seem to take the position that one check's one's brain at the church door, which is simply a stereotype of many believers who value scientific inquiry as well as questioning faith.
carnaco2 3 years ago
Belief in a God may not necessarily stifle thought but belief in religious teachings, dogma and the words in Holy Books do.
In Saudi Arabia they are completely dependent of foreign workers because none of their citizens know how anything works. A nation's potential intellect sacrificed to religion.
The Creationist movement in the US is attempting to do exactly the same thing.
I don't have a problem with people of faith so long as they call it that and it does not interfere in education.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Job 26:7
He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job oldest book of thr Bible declares the earth is suspended in space...centuries before scientists figured that out. Hmm you are retarded indeed.
MysteryMoe 3 years ago
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Didn't the Bible also say the earth was flat? And that rape, murder and slavery to be morally justifiable?
Besides, you honestly don't think that anyone ever hypothosized that the world floated in space before the bible?!
What's more, you should change your statement to "centuries before scientists could prove it".
Muppet.
yukimushu 2 years ago
Actually, if you are referring to the Christian God, I have researched the origins of Christianity, the Bible and other world religions. If you did the same you would soon realise that Christianity is a mash-up of many earlier religions and the Jesus character is based on many earlier Pagan, Egyptian and Babylonian myths.
You should watch 'Who Wrote The Bible' on my channel. It is made by a Christian so there is no bias in my favour.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
I agree with you on your perception of modern day Christianity. I am not a practitioner of that mish mash of pagan / biblical system, but am a Messianic Christian, that is to say, I study and practice the Bible without the greek /pagan influence, and more from an historic Jewish perspective. In fact, the "Yeshua" Rick Warren spoke towards the end of his speech is the Hebrew word for Salvation, which is actually Jesus' name in the Original Hebrew. Not all believers in Jesus practice paganism.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
Look up Messianic Judaism, if you want to learn more about Christianity without paganism. After 333 AD or so, and with the Council of Nicea, the belief in Jesus got hijacked, and from then on the Christians created their own religion, devoid of any semblance of Judaism, which is the "religion" Jesus himself practiced and he was the fulfillment of the promise Yah (God) made to Abraham and all the later Hebrews. I am not a Jew, but I love Yeshua, "Jesus" and really "Do what Jesus did."
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
You have your life and I have mine. You are free to spend it worshipping god if you like. I'll stick to spending mine as constuctively and productively as I see fit.
All living organisms on this planet are going to die and we are no different. Subscribing to a religion is not going to change that fact.
I have no wish to waste a minute on god.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonang: You never gave me one quote, and instead, you repeat the same mantra. But I see you just don't have any evidence to back yourself up. Next time you make broad statements based on the brainwashing you have received in the US public education system, you might have something to back it up. You have been brainwashed, and you are comfortable with your mantra: "there is no god" that you are too lazy to look deeper and find out for yourself, or consider the evidence proving otherwise.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
I feel sorry for you my friend.Some day you will find out different.That I promise you.
honeyman1964 1 year ago
@bonangusacdc 1 day you will understand,hopefully it wont be to late,if its to late,then you will see that it wouldnt have been a waste of time.
honeyman1964 1 year ago
bonangu: Yesterday you asked for evidence that the founding fathers were Christians. I supplied you with 5 quotes. You continued speaking in generalities, and haven't given me one quote from a founding father to the contrary, even though you claim you have "read the original documents." I'm still waiting for those quotes, from you since you deem yourself such an "expert." You have no facts, you are not intellectual, you just hate God, and hate that others love him. Turn to God.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
You did no such thing. You did not produce one quote that even mentions Christianity. However, I directed you to a video that a user had courteously created that contained many quotes from the founding fathers regarding their thoughts towards religion and their abhorrence of Christianity.
I do not claim to be an expert on US history either, but, I do know as most others do that the ff separated Church and State for a good reason. It was a civilisational impulse against religious dogma.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonang: JOHN ADAMS said in 1798, "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." At the time, the main religion in the USA was Christianity, and a very pious form of it at that!
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
bonang: ABRAHAM LINCOLN said: "The only assurance of our nation's safety is to lay our foundation in morality and religion." Abraham Lincoln's religion was Christianity, it is proven by other writings of his.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
Nowhere in that quote does Lincoln mention Christianity. In fact he said this "The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Look into his Thanksgiving Proclamation of 1863 for yourself. I can't type it all here. The Christian God is all over it. Either he or you or the person who said he did not believe the Bible or Christianity is a liar, because by Linclon's own words in that historical speech and document (The speech that started the US practicing Thanksgiving every year the 4th Thursday of November) he said much about God, repentance, and reliance on God for the security and blessing of our nation.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
ABRAHAM LINCOLN in the Thanksgiving Proclamation of 1863 said, "It is the duty of nations as well as of men to own thier dependence upon the overruling power of GOD; to confess their sins. . .in humble sorrow. . announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations are blessed WHOSE GOD IS THE LORD. . ." His god was the god of the Judeo Christian Bible: YHWH and the Savior of the New Testament, Jesus. It is proven by other historical writings.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
No it wasn't as my quote below clearly states. Lincoln did not mention god at all before entering politics. You should realise that many US politicians have to lie about their religious beliefs in order to gain votes from the Christian right.
Google 'Abraham Lincoln atheist' and work your way through the quotes if you like.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
I agree that perhaps he was a huge liar as are most politicians these days. But you cannot refute that one will believe he is a Christian by his own speeches and writings. Lets agree that Politicians are liars, and stop this. You don't have the evidence to convince me the fathers were agnostic / athiest, and you do not want to accept the facts as presented to you that many if not most were leaning toward traditional Christianity. I now shake the dust off my feet at this point and move on.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
Yes, I see no reason to keep arguing.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Count yourself amont the few, then, who need concrete, tangible evidence for everything in their lives, otherwise it's impossible or illogical. I don't for one minute discount logic and intellect. I do feel that God gave us brains He wants us to use. Non-believers seem unable, though, to take a step of faith and believe there's an intangible they, or science, can't explain.
carnaco2 3 years ago
It's not that we are unable to. There's simply no reason to.
There is no explanation left for the origins of the cosmos, life or our natural world that requires the insertion of the supernatural. In every case we have a better or sufficient explanation.
It would be wrong to believe there are some things we can't and should not try to explain. That is simply welcoming ignorance. Science strives to understand things and that's why I love it.
Religion teaches us to be happy not knowing.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
And there a large numbers of committed Christians in every field of science including medical research.
You're simply discouraged because what you feel is the sure logic of atheistic thought hasn't been able to stamp out a "superstition" that to you has no reason for being.
Faith, combined with intellect, is perplexing to atheists because, to them, intellect is supreme and nothing is to be taken on faith.
carnaco2 3 years ago
I have no problem with people who separate faith from science. I would agree with Stephen J. Gould when he said that they belong to non-overlapping magisteria.
I simply get frustrated, and quite frankly, angry when the faithful attempt to push beliefs into the educational arena.
We must all surely place intelligence, logic, sense and reason above faith. I don't understand why faith is a good thing? I find it utterly useless and dangerous to believe in something without evidence.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
carnaco... Faith is very difficult to remove in a great many people. There is no denying that. As Martin Luther said, in what I consider to be the most sinister Christian quote of them all, 'Give me the boy for his first seven years and I will show you the man'.
It will be the next generations who will be the greatest benefactors of the age of reason.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Hear now you rebels and lawless, you heretics and charlatans... JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!
LPATWILLFILM 3 years ago
One more quote from none other than GEORGE WASHINGTON, 1st president of the USA:
"It having pleased the Almighty Ruler of the Universe propitiously to defend the cause of the United States of America. . . let us set apart a day for gratefully acknowledging the Divine Goodness. . . which we owe to His benign interposition." Which Almighty Ruler do you think he was talking about? I have given you another quote by GW where he states exactly WHO he thinks the Divine Ruler is: Jesus Christ.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
bonang: On the aluminum cap, atop the Washington Monument in DC are inscribed the words : "Laus Deo" Those words were added around 1913, 75 years after the monument was build. Do you know what those words mean? They mean "PRAISE GOD!" Within the monument, on the landings are inscriptions of Prayers, and Bible verses. To get rid of the faith of our early nation, one would have to tear down or deface many historical buildings: like the Egyptian pharoahs did to the images of old pharoahs.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
bonang--You say that the founding fathers weren't atheists or agnostics. However, if they had all the information we have today they probably would be.
How do you square that with the fact that as we increase in knowledge all the time, people of faith rarely waver from their faith. In fact, people are added to their numbers every day. Seems with all this knowledge around we'd see a majority of atheists and agnostics in societies worldwide.
carnaco2 3 years ago
We do see a massive proportion of atheists and agnostics in the scientific community.
And as figures show as intelligence level rises religious belief falls. Atheism is sweeping Europe and has doubled in the US over recent years.
We are now living in the age of science and reason when, hopefully, ancient superstitions will be put to bed.
It is true that no matter what scientific discoveries are made some people will just say 'Ah that just makes God even more clever than what we thought.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
yes,more people are turning against God,its fullfilling the bible,the world is getting worse and worse,Praise God for ever more! I am saved and will be in heaven 1 day,I do hope you will find out different before you leave this world.There is a God and he loves you.
honeyman1964 1 year ago
The democrats are a party that hangs their hats on uniting the country. That has been the motto for years but they are so lucky that they found this Barack Obama. One of the smoothest politicians that I have ever seen. He has been a strong advocate on his issues though.
mymanjay 3 years ago
The Bible started being written 1600 years BC. It wasn't only Jesus who said to love thy neighbor, it was from the Father initially. Time did not begin for the Bible when Jesus was born. Maybe you should read the OLD testament. And, BTW, Confuscius was just a man...like every philosopher.
Jesus MAIN message was not simply "Love thy neighbor"...it was, "Repent and live a pious life from that point forward or you'll burn in hell." He was sent as an ultimate and final sacrifice for our sins.
Rodnus 3 years ago
Speaking of that separation issue, what was that book Obama put his hand on yesterday? Funny how that keeps popping-up as a constant in the courts too. Wake-up! "In GOD we trust. All men are CREATED equal. Inalienable, GOD-given rights." These are not simply polite sentiments, they are full-on beliefs that people died and continue to die for.
Rodnus 3 years ago
Typical foolish interpretation of "separation of Church and State" in the Jefferson comment. That was put in place to protect the church FROM the state, not vice-versa. Jefferson was a student of the Enlightenment.
Rodnus 3 years ago
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gays and lesbians should be put in jail
xXdavidXx91 3 years ago
The Founding Fathers did not want Judeo-Christianity within 50 city blocks of the White House.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonangusacdc: Obviously you have been reading revisionist history. The founding Fathers knew that without God, our country was lost. Not all were Christians, many were Deists, but they all believed in an All Powerful God, who our country needed to be blessed. Get a book that contains copies of original documents, and you will see that your statement is blatantly false.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
I have read the original documents. There is no mention of Christianity. They did not believe in an all powerful God, much less one who interfered in human affairs. If they were alive today, with the knowledge we now possess about the cosmos and our natural world, they would most certainly be agnostic/atheist.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonangu: You are a liar, because if you truly have read (all) the original documents, then you would have run across this one: "Let us humbly commit our righteous cause to the Great Lord of the universe..." John Hancock
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
bonangu: In all your reading, did you happen to come across this quote by SAMUEL ADAMS: "We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom alone men ought to be obedient. . ." And what about JOHN ADAMS, the 2nd President of the USA: "It is the will of Heaven that the two countries should be sundered forever. . . but I submit all my hopes and fears to an overruling Providence, in which unfashionably as the faith may be, I firmly believe." SHALL I GO ON? You believe a REVISIONIST history.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
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graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
I could go on and on. Entire books have been published with photographs of the original writings containing quotations from the founding fathers, proclaiming their faith in God, and the Judeo Christian faith. You need to stop lying and go online to purchase one of these books containing precious documents, because you won't find them in your secular, REVISIONIST HISTORY book stores. I recommend America's Providential History, by Beliles & McDowell as a starter. Then you can get heavier ones
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
You are trying to build an invisible bridge between references to God, which they only ever meant in the deistic sense, and Judeo-Christianity which they did not want.
There are many quotes taken from primary sources that demonstrate clearly the founding fathers attitudes towards religion.
By making absurd claims like 'atheists supress the truth' you have made yourself sound ridiculous.
For centuries it has been the religious institutions of this world who have censored and destroyed info.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Regarding "religious institutions" censoring and destroying info, I agree, it has happened. But today, the Atheistic or World Religion crowd is not telling the whole truth anymore. I have lots more quotes from the founding fathers, stating their beliefs, and I know those statements would never be published in a High School American History book.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
What is clear is that the founding fathers did not want religion to play any part in civilised government and took the necessary measures to make it so.
The internet has opened up a wealth of information that is available to anybody who wishes to learn about history. Obviously, some sources are more authoritative than others and many will be biased.
If I were a Christian I would be more concerned about the history of my faith and the Bible more than anything else.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonangu: Your statement: "What is clear is that..." shows one more evidence that you have been taught and believe revisionist history. The founding fathers wanted to make sure governent never controlled religion, not the other way around! Again, I ask for original quotes of the founding fathers, supporting what you believe, if you can find them. You don't have any evidence. You are just parroting the revisionist history that is being taught in secular schools and society. I'm waiting. . .
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
Are you seriously suggesting that they wanted government controlled by the religion?
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
I did not say that. I said they wanted the Government completely out of religion. But they clearly believed that Divine Providence was needed when properly leading this nation. And they knew that our government would only be effective if the leaders listened and were allowed to seek the face of God. If you go to Washington, you see all kinds of historical / archaeological evidences that they believed a "just" and "righteous" government needed to stick close to the teachings of the Bible.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
I'm going to bed now. I'll continue this debate tomorrow if I have the time.
Watch this video for a selection of quotes.
watch?v=mQRp23MbfnY&feature=PlayList&p=ED1AF988DF985E6F&playnext=1&index=30
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonangu: your link took me nowhere. You still have given me absolutely no evidence. George Washington said: "Almighty God; We make our ernest prayer that Thou will keep these United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou will incline the hearts of the citizens . . . that Thou will most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy. . .Grant our supplication. . .through Jesus Christ, our Lord, Amen." Sounds like Washington relied on God for everything, does't it?
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
bonang: You think that "modern day knowledge" makes people agnostic/atheists? Speaking for myself, studying Biological Science, Anatomy and Chemistry in College only made me more aware of how complex our world is, and the impossibility that it all happened "by accident upon accident." It enforced my (feeble at the time) belief in God. There are not enough years in the scientists theories of evolution to allow for it all to happen by chance: there is a Divine Creator. Science proves GOD!
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
Nothing in biology is an accident. Evolution by Natural Selection is the complete opposite of chance and accident. And I have no idea what you mean by 'not enough years'?
You don't need to respond. Claiming god is science based is laughable and makes you sound incredible insecure in your faith.
This would be my whole argument. People do not have much faith in god anymore. They are desperately looking around for evidence of this entity of which there is none whatsoever.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
And as for your accusation that "people are desperately looking around for evidence of this entity.' I studied Biological Sciences because I love science. I still do. But everything I learned was so complex and intricate, expecially the biological systems like photosynthesis and the krebs cycle, metabolism, I found myself in awe of God, because it is impossible for it all to come about incrementally, it had to all happen at once, or it would have simply stopped and degraded into atoms again.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
bonang: I gave you 4 quotes out of hundreds made, to support the truth as History tells it. The founding fathers were Christians or at least Deists. Give me some quotes to support your belief, that they were not, since according to you, you have "read the original documents." Let's be intellectually honest here. It is your turn to give me an atheistic or agnostic quote from 4 founding fathers. I'm waiting. . .
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
You haven't given me one quote that mentions Christianity.
I did not say the founding fathers were agnostic/atheists. I just stated that with all the modern day knowledge we now have it would be very likely that they would be.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
bonang: They did not use the word "Christianity." Theirs was a personal God, a faith, not a "religion." When I speak of my God, I don't use the word, "Christianity" either. I speak my belief, my faith, my expectations, just like the quotes I gave you. Your insistence for the word "Christianity" stems from your lack of understanding about "faith" and living it out daily. It's not an "out there" concept. It is a lifestyle. The founding fathers had that lifestyle and faith.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
An intellectually honest person is not afraid to admit when he lacks knowledge. Nor is he/she afraid to read actual historical documents which prove he/she has been wrong. Be intellectually honest. The truth is (still) out there and you can see with your own eyes what was said and written by our founding fathers. With modern printing and photograpgy, it is easy to get one's hands on the truth. But these days, you have to dig for it, because Athiests supress the truth.
graftedinbyYeshua 3 years ago
you got problems
honeyman1964 1 year ago
kentrel--Keep checking the 10 Commandments. I think you'll find perjury is against the law, too. Adultery is also a crime in many states.
And your claim about Confucius doesn't make Jesus' use of the commandment any less valid.
carnaco2 3 years ago
I get it. He makes sense. I love you President Obama. Now its time for me to get on Pastor Warren and let him know JUST how noisy I can be. Being noisy got me honored in TEXAS for my O-Ba-Ma video. I am fiercer now myself now that Bush can't put me in Guantanamo for shaking my hips on YouTube. I support you Barack, you are very cool. Now that Dolemite is in heaven, YOU are the coolest!
Ms. LaReina
HATERSDotTV 3 years ago
It's amazing to me that this country that was founded on Christian ethics and freedom of speech, now uses that very freedom to mock those believers who still subscribe to the same ethics, morals and creeds that originally created the reason for the settlers to leave Europe and references them as "loonies", "witch doctors" and other negative appellations.
Rodnus 3 years ago
Founded on Christian ethics... I think many of the Founding Fathers would disagree with you, Jefferson especially.. and to this day only two of the Ten Commandments are actually laws (kill\steal). Christ's main message "Love your neighbour as yourself" actually comes from Confuscious from about 500 BC
kentrel2 3 years ago
I wouldn't have had a witch doctor talk nonsense at all. I expect Obama didn't want a pastor either but that politics. You have to appease the religious loonies.
bonangusacdc 3 years ago
Sarah Palin likes witch doctors.
HATERSDotTV 3 years ago
You can't blame Obama for not knowing what Christian preacher to bring in. I mean, as a muslim, he's not real informed on Christianity. After all, he wasn't even born in America. You have to realize that Osama's(I mean Barack Hussein Obama's) entire election is just so he can be a puppet for the middle east anyway as he helps ease Americans out of GOD's hands and into a more accepting nature of "anything goes" for the eventual coming of the anti-christ.
Rodnus 3 years ago
He isn't a muslim, even the right wing radicals know this, and he also was born in this country. That was a propaganda ad put out by the Christian church and has been laughed at by most Christians. They wanted to not get Obama into office by using the two main fears of americans... Muslims
oscargodson 3 years ago
Er sorry, twenty years, my bad.
jarod2828 3 years ago
Considering how Obama sat in the pews of Jeremiah "No bless America, damn America" Wright for two years, picking Rick Warren was a prudent choice.
jarod2828 3 years ago
Couldn't he have picked a preacher that was inclusive.... if you have to have a preacher speak at all.
ScaperSteph 3 years ago
As the Democrats do with every interest group in existence, they probably included Warren to fulfill the need for a token evangelical Christian, a group almost non-existent in the Democratic party. All part of their quota system.
carnaco2 3 years ago 2
GO warren!
andrewwcraigg 3 years ago
Obama betrayed the LGBT community's support by showcasing HATER Rick Warren in his inauguration. Due to the outrage, he asked gay Bishop Gene Robinson to pray at the "We Are One" concert. But Team Obama cynically scheduled Robinson's prayer 5 minutes BEFORE the HBO telecast began. Amplify the Hater, Mute the Hated! There is NO SEPARATE BUT EQUAL. WE AREN'T ONE, WE ARE SHUNNED. If this is The Change, it's Pocket Change.
curthicks 3 years ago
rick warren is gay
Joe402 3 years ago
IS being gay bad?
talentokie 3 years ago
Nope but being Rick Warren is bad.
Joe402 3 years ago
How did you conclude that. I am sure worked hard on that one.
talentokie 3 years ago
If Obama truly believes in all points of view, then he should invite David Duke, Grand Wizard of KKK.
casualobserver23 3 years ago
obama is a liar
EryahJames88 3 years ago
dubious.
Ugh...Warren is a sack of bigoted shit.
tireiron 3 years ago
watch?v=i_5NoAJtAhc
quitos56 3 years ago
It's a ploy to win over the 'religious right'. Good political move, bad moral move.
domrio 3 years ago
I don't see why people complain. If he were to only candor to you the other 299.999 million people would bitch.
Greywyn7 3 years ago
He still 'errr's too much. :S
daddyleon 3 years ago
If Obama wants him, then Obama wants him. People need to get over it.
Thor599 3 years ago
Not a good start for Obama, then. But why should this be so surprising? Obama wants to be uniter not a divider - just like Bush said in 2000, remember? But of course, as we saw under Bush, you can't get anything done (good or bad) without offending someone. This attempt to reach out is unnecessary and useless. It only damages Obama and alienates his supporters. The man has poor judgment. So good luck to us all...
cvb777 3 years ago
Go away idiot, your opinion isn't the only one that counts.
Greywyn7 3 years ago
Homosexuality will never gain acceptance among people who see it as a choice, not something that one is born with.
There's no valid scientific study that indicates that it is due to anything but nurture.
As long as homosexuals ridicule those who claim to have been homosexuals & have left that lifestyle, they'll continue to lose any credence or acceptance, they seek.
The existence of 1 person who was once a homosexual threatens the claim of all homosexuals that they "were born this way".
carnaco2 3 years ago
Are you really this stupid? Its observed in the animal kingdom, and it's well known that insects can be hermaphadites as well as plants. You and your kind who spread false information only do so to further your stupidity and continue the continuation of non-thinking, also known as "faith". Wake up already, take off your hair shirt and evolve, you are not made in his image, you area pawn in a game that makes no kind of sense. Idiot.
secretMachine 3 years ago 4
This is what I find typical about some skeptics, liberals or non-believers. When someone states their Bible-based belief they reply w/insults.
So, on the basis of insects & plants you're confident in making the grand assumption that the same is also true of humans, w/not a single shred of evidence in the form of a "gay gene" as proof.
Save your insults & try being considerate, even w/people you think are idiots. They may think the same of you but show the courtesy of answering w/out insults.
carnaco2 3 years ago
secretMachine
Thanks for your well-formulated comments. It pretty much verifies the responses I've seen to posts by believers. Would you use the same terms when discussing issues with scientists who are committed Christians. Have they left their brains at the door of the lab or the church? Or is respect reserved for them and anyone on a message board coming from a position of faith is an idiot?
carnaco2 3 years ago
It's OK. The insults ensue when the adversary is on the losing end of the debate and, since you're not in the room, cannot throw things at you.
When secretMachine finds respect for his/her self, he/she will find respect for others.
swain41 3 years ago
One thing that's gone out the window is the acceptance of the fact that there is such a thing as absolute truth. Situational ethics is the norm and anyone holding to an unchangeable truth is held up to ridicule, which is to be expected, as the Word tells us.
But light does get through. Seeds are planted and watered.
carnaco2 3 years ago
Carnaco2?
Are you gay? Ever had gay feelings? probably not. How can you say it is a choice? Could you put your dick in anothers man´s ass without feeling totally freaked out? If its no, you are hetero. If its yes: THAN YOU ARE GAY!
ryanmelody 3 years ago
Are homosexuals somehow terrified that if they have heterosexual thoughts they might just possibly be (HORRORS) heterosexual? As if their having such thoughts might indicate they have a choice and force them to acknowledge God "didn't make me gay". Their abnormal attraction is too strong for them to admit it's a choice, so they take the easy way out and "affirm the way they were born".
carnaco2 3 years ago