@LadyLyanna25 and @jaymi216 yes but arent all the priest of R'hllor saying that Bloodraven is evil and in the scene where Bran has to eat the weirwood seeds both the children and Bloodraven tell him to give in to the darkness and let it embrace him. The children and Bloodraven also had an Other sent to take Bran and his whole group to them inside the cave.
Yeah, but R'hllor isn't exactly what I'd call a benevolent deity. As for Coldhands, alive or dead, I'm pretty sure he isn't an Other or one of their wights. The Others aren't the only ones with the power to raise the dead. Look at Qyburn and Robert Strong (Gregor). And THEN you could take into account that the Children of the Forest helped the First Men fight against the Others the first time they invaded Westeros.
@MasterofArda Exactly. I think R'hllor is a false god. I think at the end of the story, it would be revealed that the Others aren't afraid of the servants of R'hllor, and only Bran, Lord Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven, the three-eyed crow) and the Children of the Forest, along with Jon Snow and the dragons of Daenerys Targaryen, will be the ones that would defeat the Others. everything else is just a distraction.
@Xxweirdmonkey15xX It wasn't an Other, it was Coldhands, a wight. most probably a zombified Benjen Stark (Ned Stark's brother). The Children of the Forest and Bloodraven aren't evil. It was the Children, along with the armies of man led by the Last Hero (or Azor Ahai, depending on who you ask) who defeated the Others the last time they came, 8000 years ago. They're telling Bran to embrace the darkness so as not to be afraid of it, he'll be stronger for it, because the Long Night is upon them.
Seems to me that Lyanna Stark eloped with Rhaegar Targaryen, meaning she wasn't abducted. I believe Eddard Stark knew this. Robert had to convince himself she was kidnapped cause he couldn't live with the fact that she didn't wanna be with him. so he declared war. Ned and Jon Arryn got in the war solely cause of vengeance since Aerys Targaryen cooked Ned's father, Rickard Stark, and strangled his elder brother, the hothead, Brandon Stark, and Jon Arryn lost his nephew and heir, Elbert Arryn
@jaymi216 All true. We have not yet been told how Lyanna really died (although I think I know,) the only people to witness it was Ned Stark and Howland Reed. Also Lyanna made Ned promise her something, something which haunted Ned till the day he died. we have not yet been told what that promise was either, (although I think I also know)
@MrStarbuck123 so, how do you think this series will end up playing out? i suspect in the Winds of Winter a whole host of characters will be wiped out, maybe (finally?) the Others will launch their assault on the world, around the same time as Daenarys Targaryen and her dragons invade Westeros. The Bastard of Winterfell Jon Snow, the winged wolf Brandon Stark, the she-wolf Arya Stark, the Imp Tyrion Lannister, the Reeds and Dany will figure out how to defeat the Others.
@jaymi216 Lord Baelish said he wanted to reclaim Winterfell for Sansa, the starks will get their revenge on the Bolton's and the Frey's, and of course Jon Snow will claim his throne.
@MrStarbuck123 No, Lord Baelish cannot be trusted. maybe he'll end up committing the armies of the Vale to fight the good fight, but he's a weasel. The Vale are gallant people, I think Bronze Yohn Royce will fight the Others regardless of what Baelish wants. Also, I don't think Jon Snow will claim the thrones, I think he'll defeat the Others or die trying. Keep an eye on Bran Stark and his little brother Rickon Stark. i believe Bran is the key to winning the war with the Others.
@MrStarbuck123 We don't know that. we don't know definitively that he's the Prince Who Was Promised. Might be Bran Stark, cause he's a true Prince (now a King since Robb is dead), he's the one who's actually getting prepared to battle the Others. he's the Winged Wolf, he's a true Stark and carries the favor of the Old Gods, he's chilling now with the Children of the Forest, and learning more, and being more powerful (you can't beat the Others with the Children).
@jaymi216 Interesting but I think you forgot, it was prophecized by a woods witch that the Prince That Was Promised/Azor Ahai would be born from the line of Prince Aerys & Princess Rhaella. When Aegon V heard the prophecy he arranged the marriage of the two bringing misery to the poor brother & sister. That's why everyone thought that Rhaegar was Azor Ahai then but it would only point more that Jon is Rhaegar's son so he is the prince that was promised. Besides Bran is Bran the Builder reborn.
@LadyLyanna25 see, i took that to consideration. basically there's two or three prophecies. I was thinking Bran is Bran the Builder reborn, who was the first King of the North. Now, if Azor Ahai/Prince who was Promised battled the Others, and defeated them, there's a likelihood he survived that Battle. Old Nan said it was the last hero from the Age of Heroes right? now, if Azor Ahai survived, which isn't a stretch, wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be the one who'd be crowned king?
@jaymi216 aren't they two different people? Azor Ahai was a blacksmith while Bran the Builder was basically an architect then so it is basically repeating history that their descendants are following in their footsteps. My guess is that Jon will become king in the Iron Throne while Bran will become King in the North as before. Dany on the other hand will die because lets face it, you know GRRM kills almost all of his main characters in all his books
@LadyLyanna25 see, that's the thing, we can't know for sure if they're two different people, perhaps not, cause the Prince Who Was Promised is supposed to be the moniker of the man who'll end up being reborn to be Azor Ahai. but so far, there's the prophesy from the witch who was friends with Jenny of Oldstones, Melisandre's version, and Old Nan's tale. i'd wager the former two are probably the same tale. but someone's not on the level here. i think Old Nan's tale is the one i can trust : )
@LadyLyanna25 idk if she will, a good tale should have strong female characters. it seems to me that Dany might survive the war, maybe marry her nephew, who knows. however, i have a terrible feeling Arya, and perhaps Jon, will have to die in the showdown with the others, along with Barristan Selmy and Davos Seaworth. Bran, Sansa and Rickon will survive hopefully. watch out for Stannis to survive and sit the throne, i wouldn't be surprised about that.
@jaymi216 Well of course in this modern world strong female characters are always welcome but you have to understand GRRM relishes on killing his main characters. So I won't bet Dany that much if I were you. She's there for her dragons & the fight for the Others but this is not Return of the King. She's gonna die in the end but what a glorious death it would be. I keep seeing Rickon or Bran dying. Jon is destined for the Iron Throne and so is Sansa. So there must be another Stark in Winterfell.
@LadyLyanna25 Precisely, there must be a Stark in Winterfell to reign over the North. This is why I think both Bran and Rickon will survive. most especially Bran, who in my view is the single most important character in the series. however, between Dany and Jon, maybe both will end up dead, but most probably Jon to me. yes, they do need dragon glass to make weapons to kill the Others, i do believe one or two of Dany's dragons will end up getting killed and their bones made weapons by Bloodraven.
@jaymi216 Yes well they only need one Stark so Rickon may die because he has no POV like Robb or Bran turns into a heart tree so Rickon ends up being the only the Stark. But why not Jon? He is the song of Ice and Fire? Dany is well and good like Aegon I but I don't see her as a good ruler. Whereas Jon lived in the Wall and has been a good lord commander. The dragons I hope will die in the end. Living with those things in a poverty stricken 7 kingdoms with nothing to eat is disastrous to keep.
@LadyLyanna25 okay, depending on whether or not Azor Ahai/Prince who was Promised and the Last Hero from Old Nan's story are different people, then I cannot see both Bran and Jon staying alive. if i were to pick one to die, i'd pick Jon, and I'd say Bran lives and re-establishes the Kingdom of the North, just like Bran the Builder. As for the Targaryens, be it Dany or Aegon VI, well they might play a role, but Dany will end up sitting on the Iron Throne one way or another, with no heirs though
@jaymi216 I'm actually vying for her to be barren because she needs to appoint an heir and that would be Jon. If not then everything she worked for, her legacy will die with her. And although I love Aegon, I feel he may be fake so he'll die before the series ends. Just finished re-reading CoK and I will stand that they are 2 people. Like Jojen says there is power in living wood, a power as strong as fire so 2 heroes. Jon is the real heir to the Iron throne and Bran is the king in the North.
@LadyLyanna25 well, maybe so, maybe they're two of them. whatever the case, i guess we shall wait and see. GRRM read a sample chapter from Winds of Winter last year on the POV of Arianne Martell. She went to Storms End to find out if Aegon is fake or not, if he really is her cousin, sent there by her father Daron. I think he's legit, cause his guardian is Jon Connington. anyone else, and I'd have thought he was a fake. Also, concerning Bran the Builder being the last hero, the timeline fits.
@jaymi216 You have to understand Jon Connington was exiled at the time when the baby was handed to him, who is to say that the baby is not Illyrio's son by his dead Lys wife who has the same Targaryen features. The Blackfyre lives on in the female line so there are possibilities that they baby is fake but gave it to Jon Connington anyway to raise to churn his wish to bring back Rhaega'r "son." What I'm saying is we may have another Dance of Dragon song regardless if he is real so they both die.
@LadyLyanna25 It fits cause it is said that Durran, the first Storm King, while building Storm's End, was given advice by a boy, and that boy grew up to be Brandon Stark. Now, Durran had built six more castles before that, one better than the previous. It stands to reason it probably took most of his life building these castles. Probably by the time he finished Storm's End, the Long Night had already began. It lasted 40 years, leaving Brandon the last hero standing from the Age of Heroes.
@jaymi216 If Brandon was building castles when he started as a boy then he wouldn't have time to make swords because he was rather designing and making one for other people. Azor Ahai was old when he made the Lightbringer where as Bran was a boy/teenager when the Long Night started. He built the Wall after the Others. So the timeline works for two different people. Besides it just doesn't make sense, Azor Ahai is from the south while Bran is from the North. Besides this was the Age of "Heroes".
@LadyLyanna25 okay, the timeline fits because sine the Long Night lasted 40 years, and it ended immediately after the War of the Dawn, it stands to reason the last hero who led the armies of men to victory (along with the children of the forest) was a man strong enough and young enough to lead them. that's why i think Brandon the Builder is the Last Hero from Old Nan's stories. that, and plus he was crowned king immediately after the Others were defeated, built Winterfell and raised the Wall.
@jaymi216 The Story of Azor Ahai is more unrealistic to me than the story of the Last Hero from Old Nan. I trust the Northern stories more than Melisandre's tales. Old Nan did not say anything about the Last Hero wielding a magical sword a la Azor Ahai. who cares about the sword lol. just like the story is shaping up, it seems the remaining children of the forest that Bran got to, along with Lord Bloodraven, have been preparing for this coming battle for quite some time.
@jaymi216 Um you have to understand Old Nan was a Northerner through and through, she didn't know about the culture or stories of the South. This southern legend/propecy of Azor Ahai is only in the South and from Valyria. That's why I believe Bran the Builder and Azor Ahai as two different people like Gandalf & Aragorn, Theseus & Hercules. Each one had a role to play. If history is repeating itself then Jon and Bran will repeat it and drive the Others back together.
@LadyLyanna25 Okay, if that IS the case, what are the odds that Azor Ahai and the Last Hero were kin, that they were brothers???? AND if they were different people, why would they pick different paths to go about vanquishing the same evil?
@jaymi216 Purely coincidental but exactly intended by the author. We are talking about GRRM and everyonbe had a role to fight the Others. We both know Bran is the ancestor of Bran the Builder & I didn't say they were brothers. Rhaegar & Lyanna are Jon's parents so they are cousins. Jon is the true depiction of the Song of Ice and Fire through his parents. Can you say that to Bran who has no link at all to Fire & has no blood of a dragon? No. Face it Azor Ahai & the Last Hero are two people.
@jaymi216 I hope not. I love Jon and it would be unfair to cheat him his own birthright not even knowing the truth of his heritage. I don't pretty much care about Dany. But we'll see.
@LadyLyanna25 It's not his birthright. whatever it turns out to be, Jon is still a bastard. Rhaegar was already married with kids when he eloped (or kidnapped) Lyanna. And Aegon VI, Rhaegar's true heir, is alive. Even if he wasn't, it still wouldn't make Jon the rightful heir to the throne. The Targaryens were disposed off, the person with the armies and the power to capture the Iron Throne is the rightful king. If bastards are to be king, then Edric Storm and Gendry have better claims than Jon.
@LadyLyanna25 This is why I think BRANDON STARK!!! is the true protagonist of the series, the Jon saga, albeit somewhat important, pales in comparison to Bran's story.
@jaymi216 Well basically its about a story of Ice and Fire. Ice w/c signifies the Stark family and the Fire w/c is the Targaryen one. The result of that union is Jon. Bran is important but so are all the rest. You cannot say Brandon is the true protagonist because that would lead to an all too evident fate that GRRM will kill him and because he is not the only one. I admire your love for Bran but I suggest you also be open-minded to other characters. It might break you if he dies in the end.
@LadyLyanna25 oh darling, i'm aware of GRRM's habit for killing characters. And i'm open-minded towards other characters. But, no matter which angle I keep playing, the end is always the same to me. i do not see a character more pivotal in the series than Bran. And, if you look at all other characters that have perished, it seems to me they were all destined to die. but not Bran. not so far. And not after he named his wolf Summer. that's a symbol of a light at the end of this horrific tunnel.
@jaymi216 We'll see after all this isn't Frodo and Sam and GRRM did say he had a bittersweet ending in store for the series end. It won't surprise me at all if Bran does survive but becomes a tree like Bloodraven. Besides my concern is more on the 7 kingdoms, Jon, Jaime, Brienne and Sansa. I really hope all 7 kingdoms will be independent at the end. One king, seven kingdoms. You got to be kidding me.
@LadyLyanna25 lol exactly why i think Jon will die and Bran will live. Bittersweet, bitter cause of Jon's death, and sweet cause of the rise of House Stark, the most beloved of the Houses in Westeros by fans. yeah, maybe one person may bring the kingdoms together, and I believe after all is said and done, whoever will lead Westeros to victory after the war with the Others will be the new king. It won't be cause of anyone's birthright. Winter will last 40 years. so the guy will have to be young.
@jaymi216 All signs point to Bran being that person. All signs point to him sitting on the throne when it's all said and done. This Long Night will be brutal, and many old characters that have been killed might potentially be raised from the dead by the Others, especially characters on the Wall and the North.
@jaymi216 And yes who ever will lead them to victory will become the new king, so unless Bran gets his legs back, I think the most undeniable choice is Jon and Dany as well as the rest.
@LadyLyanna25 Why Bran? Because it's been expressed time and again that he's the Winged Wolf, he might not walk, but he'll most definitely fly, just like in his dreams when he was in a coma. he'll literally fly. not warg into a raven. he won't become a tree. The High Lords of the South are Yes Men, they'll follow whoever is strong enough, especially the Tyrells. They know Sansa, yes. she's changed, believe me when she finds out her two baby brothers are alive, things will change.
@jaymi216 Winged Wolf which means more of his warg abilities than fighting and leading. The South may be a yes ma'am kind of people but even they are not that much of idiots. The Vale Lords are itching to fight but they will rally to the person who they know and that is Sansa. And so will Blackfish. If our speculation is correct, he will go to the Vale and there he will meet he great niece. The Riverlands will rise again but under Sansa and not a boy who they never seen, met or crippled.
@jaymi216 Winged Wolf which means more of his warg abilities than fighting and leading. The South may be a yes ma'am kind of people but even they are not that much of idiots. The Vale Lords are itching to fight but they will rally to the person who they know and that is Sansa. And so will Blackfish. If our speculation is correct, he will go to the Vale and there he will meet he great niece. The Riverlands will rise again but under Sansa and not a boy who they never seen, met or crippled.
@jaymi216@jaymi216 Winged Wolf which means more of his warg abilities than fighting and leading. The South may be a yes ma'am but even they are not that much of idiots. The Vale Lords are itching to fight but they will rally to the person who they know and that is Sansa. And so will Blackfish. If our speculation is correct, he will go to the Vale and there he will meet he great niece. The Riverlands will rise again but under Sansa and not a boy who they never seen, met or crippled.
@LadyLyanna25 Bran will lead them victory cause he's the true heir to House Stark. The Lords of the Vale were itching to join the War of the Five Kings in the side of the Starks but were stopped by Lysa. As soon as Petyr's plan come to motion, and he dies, the Lords of the vale will ally themselves with Stannis, and eventually Bran. the Blackfish and Mallister will rally the Riverlords, and a new army will be forged, under one banner, the Stark banner, and Bran will lead them against the Others.
@jaymi216 Oh I know there would be a new army that will be forged but not for Bran. Sorry but even Rickon has more a shot of being rallied up than Bran who is in the Land of Always Winter. Maybe if he gets out of there alive my mind would change but not as of now. Seriously, I look how the game is played with the players all in the board.
@LadyLyanna25 The stage is being set, but not complete, not yet. You'll see. When Davos gets Rickon and Osha back to White Harbor, he'll tell Lord Manderly and the rest where Bran went. eventually word will reach to the Wall, and the journey back south of the Wall won't be as torturous as it was going to the Cave in A Dance With Dragons. Jon is no true, as is Manderly. If he finds out his little brother is alive, they'll move heaven and earth to get him back. simple as that.
@jaymi216 Oh I think they'll be busy for quite a while fighting the Boltons & Freys at the moment. Plus Jon Snow still needs to become a wolf because of his prophecy. Maybe he'll see Bran then but he needs to be reborn yet to become Azor Ahai. Every character has his own adventure. Its not that I don't want him to be saved but I think Bran and co. will save themselves eventually to perform his duties as the last hero reborn. Kinda like Sansa, she'll emerge and make an army of herself.
@LadyLyanna25 The Boltons and Freys will be taken care of by the BlackFish from the South, and Stannis in the North, they're fucked one way or another. the Lannisters won't lift a finger to save them. they'll be busy, along with the Tyrells, dealing with the alliance of the Golden Company and House Martell. Not to mention the Tyrells have to also battle the Greyjoys who are fucking up their coast. the stage is set, and the scene is ripe, for the downfall of the Boltons and Freys.
@jaymi216 Exactly but that doesn't mean they're in the clear yet. You want someone to try to save Bran but I don't think that's GRRM's style. I can imagine Bran more riding in a dragon than someone "fetching" him. Besides have to understand before you can save others, you have to overcome your own problems as is in the real world. I would rather like to see Arya come and be reunited first with Nymeria before they go North with their large pack of wolves.
@LadyLyanna25 NO, Bran is capable of saving himself. No problem. I'm just going by the characters' personalities. When Jon awakes after all those stabbings, and finds out Rickon's alive, and Bran is North of the Wall, you really think he's gonna keep doing his Lord Commander duties? hell no. He'll try to find his brother. as simple as that. cause that's who he is. that's why we all love him so much. it's the logical step in his journey. Even if he wakes up Azor Ahai reborn, he's still Jon.
@jaymi216 Well aside from the fact that the Night's Watch figuratively kicked him out. My fondest wish is for the Wall to fall or break either way. That rigid code of the Night's watch made it reason as to way they are a dwindling group. As for the Riverlords, I don't think all of them are cowards, you forget some of the hostages who survived the Frey RW are still in their dungeons so they had to be good. But not for all, when they get their relatives back, I think they will rise again.
@LadyLyanna25 I honestly believe the Lords Declarant, when they hear that Alayne is really Sansa Stark, will interrogate her, and she'll spill the beans on the things Baelish has been up to, and that will end up being the death of Petyr. Sansa will probably end up marrying Harrold Hardyng and get herself the Vale army. And when Davos returns with Rickon, Sansa will march her army to White Harbor and ally herself with Stannis if he isn't dead yet. But Stannis will die sometime in the future
@jaymi216 Sansa to win the Vale and Riverlands and make her own army. Jon to be reborn at last and Rickon with Manderly and the North. Only then will the pack finally be fit to be reunited.
@jaymi216 OMG! I hope not! Harry is Robert 2.0. I would rather see her unwed a 2nd time around. In my opinion, she's the younger more beautiful queen in the prophecy. So I'm just waiting for Tyrion and Dany to die and for Jon to reclaim his rightful throne. Bran will be king in the North and Rickon his heir but like I said time and time again Jon and Sansa are for the South. and hey you're on line! :)
@LadyLyanna25 lol yeah i am. okay, the way you make it sound, it's as if you want Sansa to be the second coming of Lyanna. I don't think so. I think Arya is more fitting of that.Sansa, yes she's changed, but she's still more her mother's child than her father's. very little North in her. you should. my email is jaymi1990@gmail.com. shoot me an email. faster than being on this video don't you think?
@LadyLyanna25 Oh, one more thing, I just find it ridiculous how cowardly the Riverlords are. they're so weak compared to the Lords of the rest of the realm. Only the Mallisters, Tullys (just cause of Blackfish, who's amazing), and Blackwoods are worth anything, especially now that the Whents and the Darrys have been wiped out. Lol. You're the first person that i've talked that intimately knows this saga as well as I do. It's rather refreshing.
@jaymi216 I'm actually counting on Sansa on this one. Geographically speaking, once she gets her army, the first hard assault I want her to hit is the Twins. And the victory on the twins would win the river lords back to her. Like they would fight for Aegon for no reason lol. No... from all the 7 kingdoms its actually the Riverlands which I feel sorry for, its actually the one place pounded several times by different factions.
@LadyLyanna25 I get that. And that is a sound analysis on how the Vale army ought to go. But unless they have Bronze Yohn Royce leading that army, and not the recless Harry, then i don't see that happening. I predict the last scene of the Winds of Winter being the true Horn of Winter, this time with the Others, and they blow it, and the Wall comes tumbling down, enabling them to start their invasion. it'll happen right after Bran gets to the Wall and tells them who's behind them.
@jaymi216 I'm kinda hoping about that, Bronze is a dear friend of Eddard Stark so he will be Sansa's biggest supporter. And so will the Horn of Winter, its actually the thing I keep imagining with them killing all the crows in the wall. Once Stannis defeats Roose and Ramsay Bolton, that victory would be short lived since the Others finally arrives.
@LadyLyanna25 Yes, my feeling exactly. but i do hope all senselessness, torment, cruelty and stubbornness that will all know Stannis is capable of is unleashed to the Boltons and Freys. that man is uncompromising. he'll make a stern example to the realm in a way that no one will ever dare try break the Guest Right ever again for another 5000 years or so since the Rat Cook tale Old Nan told Bran lol.
@jaymi216 True! Stannis is a hard man so I hope he does make an example for everyone to remember the guest right. I'm just keep imagining him dying in the Battle with the Others though. Wouldn't it be a shock when he finds out he is not really Azor Ahai and that Melisandre blundered big time...
@jaymi216 The Greyjoys are loony. Aside from Asha and Theon, the brothers are basically crazy! Who is crazy enough to conquer lands if they can't hold it. They're just a tag-along in my opinion but pivotal for the ships to carry Dany I guess. The Martells are also just nuisances, I find them extremely lucky that are farthest from the North. If I was GRRM I'll hit them first with Ice and Snow then let all their dead come back to life. The Lannisters on the other hand has some of my mixed vote.
@LadyLyanna25 lol yeah, Balon was a dumbass. all he had to do was go on a rampage throughout the Westerlands and he would have been king and rich from all the golds they'd have plundered, but he decided to go for the North, which can't be conquered by an outsider, and WINTER WAS COMING lol. Victarion, especially in ADWD, is another oaf, Lord Captain Oaf. another dumbass. not suited to be anything other than a soldier. Aeron, well good thing he's a priest.lol Euron gives me pause. he's cunning
@jaymi216 I think from all brothers, Euron is the only one who has merit. The prophecy even warms Dany about the squid. But I'm just waiting for them to die. Either Victarion and Euron die on hand to hand combat or Euron dies on something else entirely.
@LadyLyanna25 yeah, he's so smart, and smooth, and a great strategies. he actually has redeeming qualities, doesn't go to war half-cocked. too bad he's utterly untrustworthy. the events in Dorne are interesting, will be more eventful now that Quentyn is dead. i wonder if Balon Swan will catch up to the Darkstar. it'll be great if they get into a death match. oh, Ned Dayne is young, he'll play a big role with his family's sword, Dawn, when the Others come. it'll be great. he'll survive the battle
@jaymi216 Oh I think Balon will catch Darkstark soon. I just wish they don't fight yet. I love them better if they fight the Others. And yes I had a feeling that 12 year old kid would be pivotal to fighting the Others. I was actually shipping him to Arya more than Gendry. lol
@LadyLyanna25 yeah Edric Dayne, Gendry, Edric Storm, Rickon and Bran will be important when the Long Night kicks into full swing. they're the heroes of the morrow. Darkstar cannot be trusted. the guy is more of a wildcard than anyone in the book, most dangerous character of them all, more so than even any Greyjoy in my book, even Euron. I believe that Garlan will truly be the one to put down one or two of the Greyjoy brothers, cause he's a badass like that. It's a shame Willas can't walk.
@jaymi216 Yedah I was actually imagining the kids become the heroes in this story, since basically all the old guys are dying like flies. If Darkstar and Balon Swann do fight, I really really hope Balon wins. He really is honest and a true knight just like Garlan.
@LadyLyanna25 Balon is a good guy, but he doesn't strike me as particularly smart, I believe the Darkstar can outwit him and kill him. We'll see. Also, his brother is someone worth paying attention to. The Constant is also a good character. And I wonder where Aurane Waters went. If he went to Stannis, then along with Lord Manderly's fleet, the North will have the Strongest Navy, bar none. amazing huh lol
@jaymi216 Sigh. The good guy does always die first. And he was my favorite white cloak at that. Donnel Swann is fickle in my opinion, he changes sides like he changes clothes lol. I was actually, vying for him to die first. Aurane waters is another coward, I can actually imagine him going to Stannis. Manderly and Aurane would really dominate the seas if the happens. Wouldn't it be cool to see how it would turn out if they fight Euron/Victarion's fleet.
@LadyLyanna25 That's exactly why I think Balon isn't long for this world. Donnel may switch sides, but he's a brave man, and i do believe a better warrior than Balon. we'll see. If Aurane and Manderly joined forces, Victarion comes back and unites his fleet with Euron's, it'll be a hell of a fight. i do believe they'll push the Greyjoys back to the Islands and massacre them there. Just like they deserve. Especially if Davos leads that battle.
@LadyLyanna25 I believe House Harlaw can hold those Islands provided they get rid of the Greyjoys. Rodrick is smart. a good man. I dont like the Tyrells, they're too soft for my taste, but i love Garlan the Gallant. he's a true man right there. i hope Loras dies soon. and Mace, so that Garlan and Willas can take over the Reach. the Martells are opportunists, schemers, like the Lannisters. but they'll ally themselves with Aegon. no doubt.
@jaymi216 Good House but you never know with Euron. That guy just skeeves me too much. The Tyrells, I hope gets what's coming to them by Aegon, JC and GC. I just can't wait for them to be ruined though. Loras is an idiot, Mace an even bigger idiot, Olenna, too much of a schemer and Margaery too duplicious. I can wait for Randyll Tarly to betray them. And yeah the only decent ones there is really Garlan and Willas.
@LadyLyanna25 lol Randyll Tarly is loyal to a fault, as is Paxter Redwyne and the Hightowers and every noble family of the Reach save for the Florents. They won't betray Mace Tyrell. Olenna is a schemer, sure, but she's got to be like that to protect her grand kids. Margaery is a black widow, you marry her, your dead and gone. Tommen isn't long for this world lol. Also, there's a rumor that Jaqen H'gar's mission was to kill Margaery Tyrell, that's why he's in Oldtown, in Westeros to begin with.
@jaymi216 I was thinking about how capable a leader Randyll is and how better he is than Mace Tyrell himself. Paxter is loyal but I'm not sure about Randyll because of what JC and co are saying that have Reach friends. Comparing the two together, Randyll is brilliant while Mace is an idiot. Its only Olenna and Willas who's holding the Reach together in my opinion. About Margaery where did you hear you that? I think only Cersei hates Margaery and Cersei is broke. lol
@LadyLyanna25 I read it on facebook, you do know most of the main characters have profiles right? and it's a company that runs these characters. just the other week i was in a huge fight with the chick running Lyanna Stark's profile cause of Robert's Rebellion, and how she caused it (if she wasnt abducted). Randyll is great, he'll be an big asset when battling the Others, the most capable commander south of the Neck (save for Jon Connington, and Blackfish) currently now that Tywin is dead.
@jaymi216 The one on facebook? I thought those guys were just roleplaying. I was kinda hoping Randyll and Sam would meet eventually, wouldn't it be cool to see that his son finally became a hero, he is Sam the slayer plus he's not anymore that much of a coward. I see Randyll as the next Tywin. Wouldn't it be ironic if Dickon dies and Randyll has no choice but to get Sam back lol. Talk about twist of fate.
@LadyLyanna25 Sam's already taken the black, I don't see him ever being Lord of Horn Hill. If Dickon dies, i could see Mance Rayder's son groomed to be the new Lord lol. that would be funny. AND THERE'S YET ANOTHER HERO!! lol.
@jaymi216 yeah but there wouldn't be a Night's Watch after the Wall will break. The Others will kill every single one in the Wall. I was remembering the dream Sam had about him and Gilly in Hornhill. I'm just waiting for that to happen. I think Mace will get his son back but I think Gilly's son will die if Val won't get out of there soon. A naval battle was not been seen ever since battle of blackwater so it would be appreciated.
@LadyLyanna25 honestly, what's your email? if the Wall fails, I believe the Night's Watch will have to retreat to Winterfell and stay there for a while. It was burnt, but it's still a strong castle, good for defense, and it's double-walled, probably by magic as well. I was thinking. In the POVs of Jon, Sansa and Arya, none of them dwell on the fact they're Starks more than Bran. Bran always reminds himself he's a Prince (he doesn't know Robb's dead) and a Stark. that is very important to me.
@jaymi216 Well about that, Jon's trying sever his ties of being one, Sansa's trapped in her Alayne persona and Arya is trying to be one of the Faceless because she thought all her family is dead. Its kinda sad actually reading them all. The lone wolf may die but the pack remains. Who can that saying work if the pack is actually broken in pieces? All of them seriously need to get together soon. They're a pack after all. Anyway I sent you a msg 2 days ago, it should be in your inbox.
@LadyLyanna25 Yes, all of them are forgetting who they are and where they came from... all of them but Bran Stark. Jon is understandable, because he's always been an outsider. Sansa has always been a confused little girl, but she's maturing for the better. Arya is the most lost, since she's trying to be a completely different person. But Bran, the last Stark to hold Winterfell, hasn't forgotten. and it'll always drive him to be a better person, a better character, than them all.
@jaymi216 Bran is by far the only Stark that still has his identity but are you sure he'll come out of there still as a boy? Bloodraven said he will never walk again and some of the guys in westeros.org are saying Jojen was already sacrifice then fed to Bran as paste to become a tree. Crazy right?
@LadyLyanna25 Bran will come out of that cave with a new purpose in life, but the fact he's a Stark will never elude him. Jojen will not be sacrificed. the paste came from the weirwood seeds. And he won't become a tree. Even Bloodraven lived a full life as a kinslayer to Daemon, Hand of the King to Aerys I and Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Nothing to suggest Bran's "being a tree" fate will happen eminently. he'll be a warrior and when he's old long after the Long Night he'll become a tree
@LadyLyanna25 and I have a feeling Bronze Royce is aching for a proper battle. wait till he finds out his kid on the Wall was killed by the Others. Nothing Baelish or anyone else can do will stop him from marching on and facing the Others.
@jaymi216 Didn't his kid Waymar rose up to become a wight walker? If Bronze Royce does fight the Others, he might get the shock of his life when he sees him dead but still walking...
@LadyLyanna25 The Riverlands need to unite under either Jason Mallister, who's imprisoned in his own castle, Seaguard, or the BlackFish, which is more plausible considering he's now MIA. I think he'll catch up with the Brotherhood without Banners, see her little niece as Lady Stoneheart, and seek vengeance on top of everything that's happened. Bran, Melisandre or Thoros will find a way to heal Stoneheart back to Catelyn. I really hope Robert Arryn doesn't die, i hope he gets better.
@jaymi216 Either Mallister or Blackfish will do, I don't pretty much mind. At least House Mallister was still loyal enough not to lay siege on Riverrun but as long as its not Edmure Tully. Lady Stoneheart on the other hand is beyond helping it would seem. The best way for her is to lead her to the Twins and kill every single Frey out there or kill her once and for all. I think Thoros knows now that he gave the fire of life, he is unable to get it back so he is basically powerless to stop her.
@LadyLyanna25 yeah I call Edmure Tully "Lord Oaf", what a bumbling idiot. he seems like he would be a better peace time Lord than war time. he won the war for the Lannisters, although inadvertently. but no matter. he's tucked away for the time being in Casterly Rock. you know what I'd love? Dany invades Westeros, and the Others come, and the armies come together and fight them off, and Blackfish and Barristan Selmy go to war hand in hand. those two old folks are badass lol.
@jaymi216 Speaking about that its unfair how Riverrun and the North got war torn while Casterly Rock, Dorne & Reach barely got touch. I hope when Dany or Aegon does finally come to play, they could at least do a number on them. But yeah! That would be awesome to see Blackfish and Barristan Selmy fighting together. Ack! The wait on Dany is really frustrating but I guess GRRM has his reasons. I would never let a Dothraki army into Westeros after the war of the five kings that would be a massacre.
@LadyLyanna25 The Westerlands were fucked up properly by Robb and the Stark army lol. they even got to Castamere and the GreatJon got as much gold as his men could carry. there's someone else i miss. my, will he be pissed once he is rescued. and he knows Bran, for sure he'll throw House Umber behind any Stark, specifically Bran though. I for one would love to see Pyke burned to the ground, and the Greyjoys extinct, with House Harlaw raised to be overlords of the Iron Islands
@jaymi216 I'm counting on Lord Jon Umber for that, once all the captives are freed, all hell will break lose. I'm really really hoping they burn the Twins to the ground but you know GRRM. Anyway, did you hear? GRRM actually revealed the entire plot to the producers (along with some other people he trusted). In case something happens to him, the only way the plot would be finished is through the TV show. I know that may be a safety precaution but I would rather he finishes it in the books.
@LadyLyanna25 Plus, you'll notice the mysterious Lord Howland Reed hasn't made an appearance yet. You think once word gets around that Bran and his children survive the Sack of Winterfell he'll sit idly by in Greywater Watch? i dont think so. I can picture him, Davos, Jon (provided he lives) and Ghost, along with a host of Crannogmen and wildings, braving the snow and making the trek up north to try and find Bran.
@LadyLyanna25 And, in that journey, we the readers, along with Jon, will find out the true origin of Lord Commander Jon Snow, whether or not he really was Eddard's bastard with Wylla (or Ashara Dayne) or Rhaegar and Lyanna's child.
@jaymi216 Why Bran? Yes he may help to defeat the Others but he has no connections to the other kingdoms, unlike Jon and Sansa who stayed in Kingslanding & Vale and learned its politics, interacted with people in Dorne, Reach and Casterly Rock. I doubt the lords of Westeros would bow down to Bran. Nah, my idea would be Bran as king in the North but Jon and Sansa in the South. The Stark family are very much loved but the ending's bittersweetness is the fact they will always be separated.
@angerdux8 Yes Azor Ahai was a blacksmith in the Age of Heroes. He made the lightbringer by killing his own wife and fought the Others together with the other heroes.
@LadyLyanna25 and, if that's the case, well, maybe Azor Ahai was Brandon Stark, the Builder, maybe Azor Ahai is Bran Stark in the Old Tongue, or some other language we don't know. also, throughout the book Bloodraven (three eyed crow) and the Children of the Forest haven't even bothered to let their presence known to anyone else because Bran's the one who must live, made that clear when Bran was in a coma. when he awoke from it, he was no longer a boy, he was reborn, in my opinion.
@MrStarbuck123 oh, not to mention the new version of the Winter Rose, Sansa Stark and the armies of the Vale will be in the mix. maybe even the useless Tyrells.
3:33 Ser Arthur Dayne, 'the Sword of the Morning'. My favourite character from the backstory of A Song of Ice and Fire. The greatest knight in the history of Westeros. Which new hero shall wield Dawn in the War for the Dawn? Arise Podrick Payne, the 'Sword of the Morning'!
@AzorAhaiReborn I thought Podrick Payne was already dead. Wasn't he hanged by Lady Stoneheart (Catelyn Stark)?... I think the Sword of the Morning has got to be Edric Dayne, Arthur's nephew. It's been two decades since anyone's wielded Dawn, hasn't it? (ever since Howland Reed killed Arthur Dayne I believe)
@jaymi216 My post was only half-serious, but is Podrick actually dead? We never get full confirmation as all we're told is that he is 'dying', but not dead. Brienne is still alive, so Podrick may still be around too.
As for the Sword of the Morning, we know that it doesn't necessarily have to be a Dayne who wields Dawn, but rather the finest swordsman in Westeros. Dawn could become Lightbringer and pass to the reborn Azor Ahai in the war against the Others. Who will be Azor Ahai reborn though?
@AzorAhaiReborn Dawn Has to be wielded by a Dayne. Look at its history. It's always been wielded by a Dayne. The last Dayne to wield it was Arthur. It's their historical family LongSword, just like Ice was the Stark family's longsword. I have no doubt in my mind that Jon Snow will be Azor Ahai reborn. With an emphasis on REBORN (he's got to die to get reborn, that's why he had to be betrayed and get stabbed in A Dance with Dragons, and take notice to the fact that his wounds were smoking)
@jaymi216 Yes, you are correct regarding Dawn. The Wiki page confused me as it said the sword does not have to pass to the 'Lord' of House Dayne, but instead to the best knight of House Dayne. Apologies. It does raise the question of who shall wield it though, as Edric Dayne is quite young, and Darkstar doesn't seem honorable. We shall see.
@AzorAhaiReborn The only way I see Darkstar getting Dawn is through nefarious means, such as stealing it lol. Okay, there is one Dayne member that hasn't been accounted for. Edric's father. It is only said that Edric is the Lord of Starfall, and nephew to Allyria, who was married to Beric Dondarrion. Now, since Arthur was a Kingsguard member, maybe he had an older brother. GRRM should mention Edric's dad at least once. that'd be nice.
@jaymi216 As for Jon being Azor Ahai reborn, I think its a very good possibility, but remember, the prophecy states 'when the red star bleeds Azor Ahai shall be born again....' This does not necessarily mean that anyone must die and be reborn, it simply states that 'Azor Ahai' shall be reborn. In other words, the prophecy does not indicate that anyone must be resurrected in order for Azor Ahai to be reborn through them.
@AzorAhaiReborn You remember in the book that Jon had a dream of fighting the Others while clutching a red flaming sword burning his hand? plus every time Melissandre, the Rhlorr witch, looks into her fires (which allow her to see the future) for Azor Ahai, she only sees Jon Snow. plus there was a rumor that the tears of Bowen Marsh's tears (the leader of the guys who betrayed Jon) contained salt.this is still an odd rumor though, we'll wait and see. at this point, it's either him or Victarian.
I'm glad you're as big a fan as i am. Now, if they only made a movie about the Rhaegar, Lyanna and the War of the Usurper. That'd be spectacularly awesome. lol
That and he looks nothing like a Targaryen he takes after Ned in pretty much everywayand lacks any of the distinctive features of those with valyrian blood, purple eyes, pale complexion, white hair.
@chykim1 It fits perfectly. Ned found her in a bed of blood, dying of fever [very common for mothers to die of septic fever at childbirth, back in the day]. The Targs were bigamists. Raegar would never grab and rape anyone. Lyanna was like Arya and Brandon, wild-hearted. Lyanna made Ned promise to raise Jon. He could never tell Jon who his mother was because Jon was a Targ and Robert would kill him. Ned says Jon has his blood, never that he is his son.
@ArisaEBlake There is a rumor that Jon Snow is Lyanna and Rhaegar's child, because Ned Stark brought back Jon after his failed quest to recover Lyanna.
My, sorry for the amount of time I took to comment this video. Anyway - It's way cool, I love it ! (And I love the song too but well, you already know it). You're so talented, you know? ^^
@2:53 such a good picture of Robert as a young soldier in his prime. Full of life and thirst for battle. An excellent soldier, but sadly not an excellent king!
@feonor26 She died of child bed fever. Robert believes Rhaegar raped and killed her. But the background story, the implication is that Rhaegar loved her and she ran off with him. She got pregnant. She made Ned promise to raise her son as his own. Robert would have killed the baby or had him killed. And if Robert ever found out that Lyanna wanted Rhagaer [she says at one point that Robert would never be true to her], his rage would be endless.
Are you going to Harrenhal Fair? Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme Remember me to one who lives there He was once a true love of mine Tell him to make me a cambric shirt Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme Without no seams nor needle work Then he'll be a true love of mine Tell him to find me an acre of land Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme Between salt water and the sea strands Then he'll be a true love of mine
@choccy1981 Lyanna died from fever and bed of blood was the description. Some speculated that she was killed by 3 Whitecloaks. We speculate thats a description of child birth. Before she died she made Ned promise her something that have haunted him for the rest of his life
people that dislikes this aint people imo.
Anathel2 3 days ago
just "BEST!" :)
Anathel2 3 days ago
lol this video is strangely really cool.
wowpat449 1 week ago
@LadyLyanna25 and @jaymi216 yes but arent all the priest of R'hllor saying that Bloodraven is evil and in the scene where Bran has to eat the weirwood seeds both the children and Bloodraven tell him to give in to the darkness and let it embrace him. The children and Bloodraven also had an Other sent to take Bran and his whole group to them inside the cave.
Xxweirdmonkey15xX 1 week ago
@Xxweirdmonkey15xX
Yeah, but R'hllor isn't exactly what I'd call a benevolent deity. As for Coldhands, alive or dead, I'm pretty sure he isn't an Other or one of their wights. The Others aren't the only ones with the power to raise the dead. Look at Qyburn and Robert Strong (Gregor). And THEN you could take into account that the Children of the Forest helped the First Men fight against the Others the first time they invaded Westeros.
MasterofArda 1 week ago
@MasterofArda Exactly. I think R'hllor is a false god. I think at the end of the story, it would be revealed that the Others aren't afraid of the servants of R'hllor, and only Bran, Lord Brynden Rivers (Bloodraven, the three-eyed crow) and the Children of the Forest, along with Jon Snow and the dragons of Daenerys Targaryen, will be the ones that would defeat the Others. everything else is just a distraction.
jaymi216 1 week ago
@MasterofArda Coldhands is Benjen Stark my opinion anyway and Reyghar son lives just read the last chapter of a Dance of Dragons
alexpascu2785 3 days ago
@Xxweirdmonkey15xX It wasn't an Other, it was Coldhands, a wight. most probably a zombified Benjen Stark (Ned Stark's brother). The Children of the Forest and Bloodraven aren't evil. It was the Children, along with the armies of man led by the Last Hero (or Azor Ahai, depending on who you ask) who defeated the Others the last time they came, 8000 years ago. They're telling Bran to embrace the darkness so as not to be afraid of it, he'll be stronger for it, because the Long Night is upon them.
jaymi216 1 week ago
Loved the picture of Jon Snow and Ghost in the end. Very touching. :)
NanChan2289 2 weeks ago
This is really beautiiful.'Amazing and true to what Martin intended, I hope.
angerdux8 2 weeks ago
I wish someone would bump into Howland Reed. :/
akira543 1 month ago
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Hulna 1 month ago
Seems to me that Lyanna Stark eloped with Rhaegar Targaryen, meaning she wasn't abducted. I believe Eddard Stark knew this. Robert had to convince himself she was kidnapped cause he couldn't live with the fact that she didn't wanna be with him. so he declared war. Ned and Jon Arryn got in the war solely cause of vengeance since Aerys Targaryen cooked Ned's father, Rickard Stark, and strangled his elder brother, the hothead, Brandon Stark, and Jon Arryn lost his nephew and heir, Elbert Arryn
jaymi216 3 months ago
@jaymi216 All true. We have not yet been told how Lyanna really died (although I think I know,) the only people to witness it was Ned Stark and Howland Reed. Also Lyanna made Ned promise her something, something which haunted Ned till the day he died. we have not yet been told what that promise was either, (although I think I also know)
MrStarbuck123 1 month ago
@MrStarbuck123 so, how do you think this series will end up playing out? i suspect in the Winds of Winter a whole host of characters will be wiped out, maybe (finally?) the Others will launch their assault on the world, around the same time as Daenarys Targaryen and her dragons invade Westeros. The Bastard of Winterfell Jon Snow, the winged wolf Brandon Stark, the she-wolf Arya Stark, the Imp Tyrion Lannister, the Reeds and Dany will figure out how to defeat the Others.
jaymi216 1 month ago
@jaymi216 Lord Baelish said he wanted to reclaim Winterfell for Sansa, the starks will get their revenge on the Bolton's and the Frey's, and of course Jon Snow will claim his throne.
MrStarbuck123 1 month ago
@MrStarbuck123 No, Lord Baelish cannot be trusted. maybe he'll end up committing the armies of the Vale to fight the good fight, but he's a weasel. The Vale are gallant people, I think Bronze Yohn Royce will fight the Others regardless of what Baelish wants. Also, I don't think Jon Snow will claim the thrones, I think he'll defeat the Others or die trying. Keep an eye on Bran Stark and his little brother Rickon Stark. i believe Bran is the key to winning the war with the Others.
jaymi216 1 month ago
@jaymi216 Either way Jon Snow will be the hero of the whole story. He is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, it's his destiny.
MrStarbuck123 1 month ago
@MrStarbuck123 daggers in the dark
zarghroth 1 month ago
@MrStarbuck123 We don't know that. we don't know definitively that he's the Prince Who Was Promised. Might be Bran Stark, cause he's a true Prince (now a King since Robb is dead), he's the one who's actually getting prepared to battle the Others. he's the Winged Wolf, he's a true Stark and carries the favor of the Old Gods, he's chilling now with the Children of the Forest, and learning more, and being more powerful (you can't beat the Others with the Children).
jaymi216 1 month ago
@jaymi216 Interesting but I think you forgot, it was prophecized by a woods witch that the Prince That Was Promised/Azor Ahai would be born from the line of Prince Aerys & Princess Rhaella. When Aegon V heard the prophecy he arranged the marriage of the two bringing misery to the poor brother & sister. That's why everyone thought that Rhaegar was Azor Ahai then but it would only point more that Jon is Rhaegar's son so he is the prince that was promised. Besides Bran is Bran the Builder reborn.
LadyLyanna25 3 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 see, i took that to consideration. basically there's two or three prophecies. I was thinking Bran is Bran the Builder reborn, who was the first King of the North. Now, if Azor Ahai/Prince who was Promised battled the Others, and defeated them, there's a likelihood he survived that Battle. Old Nan said it was the last hero from the Age of Heroes right? now, if Azor Ahai survived, which isn't a stretch, wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be the one who'd be crowned king?
jaymi216 3 weeks ago
@jaymi216 aren't they two different people? Azor Ahai was a blacksmith while Bran the Builder was basically an architect then so it is basically repeating history that their descendants are following in their footsteps. My guess is that Jon will become king in the Iron Throne while Bran will become King in the North as before. Dany on the other hand will die because lets face it, you know GRRM kills almost all of his main characters in all his books
LadyLyanna25 3 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 see, that's the thing, we can't know for sure if they're two different people, perhaps not, cause the Prince Who Was Promised is supposed to be the moniker of the man who'll end up being reborn to be Azor Ahai. but so far, there's the prophesy from the witch who was friends with Jenny of Oldstones, Melisandre's version, and Old Nan's tale. i'd wager the former two are probably the same tale. but someone's not on the level here. i think Old Nan's tale is the one i can trust : )
jaymi216 3 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 idk if she will, a good tale should have strong female characters. it seems to me that Dany might survive the war, maybe marry her nephew, who knows. however, i have a terrible feeling Arya, and perhaps Jon, will have to die in the showdown with the others, along with Barristan Selmy and Davos Seaworth. Bran, Sansa and Rickon will survive hopefully. watch out for Stannis to survive and sit the throne, i wouldn't be surprised about that.
jaymi216 3 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Well of course in this modern world strong female characters are always welcome but you have to understand GRRM relishes on killing his main characters. So I won't bet Dany that much if I were you. She's there for her dragons & the fight for the Others but this is not Return of the King. She's gonna die in the end but what a glorious death it would be. I keep seeing Rickon or Bran dying. Jon is destined for the Iron Throne and so is Sansa. So there must be another Stark in Winterfell.
LadyLyanna25 3 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Precisely, there must be a Stark in Winterfell to reign over the North. This is why I think both Bran and Rickon will survive. most especially Bran, who in my view is the single most important character in the series. however, between Dany and Jon, maybe both will end up dead, but most probably Jon to me. yes, they do need dragon glass to make weapons to kill the Others, i do believe one or two of Dany's dragons will end up getting killed and their bones made weapons by Bloodraven.
jaymi216 3 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Yes well they only need one Stark so Rickon may die because he has no POV like Robb or Bran turns into a heart tree so Rickon ends up being the only the Stark. But why not Jon? He is the song of Ice and Fire? Dany is well and good like Aegon I but I don't see her as a good ruler. Whereas Jon lived in the Wall and has been a good lord commander. The dragons I hope will die in the end. Living with those things in a poverty stricken 7 kingdoms with nothing to eat is disastrous to keep.
LadyLyanna25 3 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 okay, depending on whether or not Azor Ahai/Prince who was Promised and the Last Hero from Old Nan's story are different people, then I cannot see both Bran and Jon staying alive. if i were to pick one to die, i'd pick Jon, and I'd say Bran lives and re-establishes the Kingdom of the North, just like Bran the Builder. As for the Targaryens, be it Dany or Aegon VI, well they might play a role, but Dany will end up sitting on the Iron Throne one way or another, with no heirs though
jaymi216 3 weeks ago
@jaymi216 I'm actually vying for her to be barren because she needs to appoint an heir and that would be Jon. If not then everything she worked for, her legacy will die with her. And although I love Aegon, I feel he may be fake so he'll die before the series ends. Just finished re-reading CoK and I will stand that they are 2 people. Like Jojen says there is power in living wood, a power as strong as fire so 2 heroes. Jon is the real heir to the Iron throne and Bran is the king in the North.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 well, maybe so, maybe they're two of them. whatever the case, i guess we shall wait and see. GRRM read a sample chapter from Winds of Winter last year on the POV of Arianne Martell. She went to Storms End to find out if Aegon is fake or not, if he really is her cousin, sent there by her father Daron. I think he's legit, cause his guardian is Jon Connington. anyone else, and I'd have thought he was a fake. Also, concerning Bran the Builder being the last hero, the timeline fits.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 You have to understand Jon Connington was exiled at the time when the baby was handed to him, who is to say that the baby is not Illyrio's son by his dead Lys wife who has the same Targaryen features. The Blackfyre lives on in the female line so there are possibilities that they baby is fake but gave it to Jon Connington anyway to raise to churn his wish to bring back Rhaega'r "son." What I'm saying is we may have another Dance of Dragon song regardless if he is real so they both die.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 It fits cause it is said that Durran, the first Storm King, while building Storm's End, was given advice by a boy, and that boy grew up to be Brandon Stark. Now, Durran had built six more castles before that, one better than the previous. It stands to reason it probably took most of his life building these castles. Probably by the time he finished Storm's End, the Long Night had already began. It lasted 40 years, leaving Brandon the last hero standing from the Age of Heroes.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 If Brandon was building castles when he started as a boy then he wouldn't have time to make swords because he was rather designing and making one for other people. Azor Ahai was old when he made the Lightbringer where as Bran was a boy/teenager when the Long Night started. He built the Wall after the Others. So the timeline works for two different people. Besides it just doesn't make sense, Azor Ahai is from the south while Bran is from the North. Besides this was the Age of "Heroes".
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 okay, the timeline fits because sine the Long Night lasted 40 years, and it ended immediately after the War of the Dawn, it stands to reason the last hero who led the armies of men to victory (along with the children of the forest) was a man strong enough and young enough to lead them. that's why i think Brandon the Builder is the Last Hero from Old Nan's stories. that, and plus he was crowned king immediately after the Others were defeated, built Winterfell and raised the Wall.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 The Story of Azor Ahai is more unrealistic to me than the story of the Last Hero from Old Nan. I trust the Northern stories more than Melisandre's tales. Old Nan did not say anything about the Last Hero wielding a magical sword a la Azor Ahai. who cares about the sword lol. just like the story is shaping up, it seems the remaining children of the forest that Bran got to, along with Lord Bloodraven, have been preparing for this coming battle for quite some time.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Um you have to understand Old Nan was a Northerner through and through, she didn't know about the culture or stories of the South. This southern legend/propecy of Azor Ahai is only in the South and from Valyria. That's why I believe Bran the Builder and Azor Ahai as two different people like Gandalf & Aragorn, Theseus & Hercules. Each one had a role to play. If history is repeating itself then Jon and Bran will repeat it and drive the Others back together.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Okay, if that IS the case, what are the odds that Azor Ahai and the Last Hero were kin, that they were brothers???? AND if they were different people, why would they pick different paths to go about vanquishing the same evil?
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Purely coincidental but exactly intended by the author. We are talking about GRRM and everyonbe had a role to fight the Others. We both know Bran is the ancestor of Bran the Builder & I didn't say they were brothers. Rhaegar & Lyanna are Jon's parents so they are cousins. Jon is the true depiction of the Song of Ice and Fire through his parents. Can you say that to Bran who has no link at all to Fire & has no blood of a dragon? No. Face it Azor Ahai & the Last Hero are two people.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 okay, so, if they were two people, then Jon must die. Jon is too moral to be king while Bran, Rickon, Sansa and Arya live.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 I hope not. I love Jon and it would be unfair to cheat him his own birthright not even knowing the truth of his heritage. I don't pretty much care about Dany. But we'll see.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 It's not his birthright. whatever it turns out to be, Jon is still a bastard. Rhaegar was already married with kids when he eloped (or kidnapped) Lyanna. And Aegon VI, Rhaegar's true heir, is alive. Even if he wasn't, it still wouldn't make Jon the rightful heir to the throne. The Targaryens were disposed off, the person with the armies and the power to capture the Iron Throne is the rightful king. If bastards are to be king, then Edric Storm and Gendry have better claims than Jon.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 This is why I think BRANDON STARK!!! is the true protagonist of the series, the Jon saga, albeit somewhat important, pales in comparison to Bran's story.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Well basically its about a story of Ice and Fire. Ice w/c signifies the Stark family and the Fire w/c is the Targaryen one. The result of that union is Jon. Bran is important but so are all the rest. You cannot say Brandon is the true protagonist because that would lead to an all too evident fate that GRRM will kill him and because he is not the only one. I admire your love for Bran but I suggest you also be open-minded to other characters. It might break you if he dies in the end.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 oh darling, i'm aware of GRRM's habit for killing characters. And i'm open-minded towards other characters. But, no matter which angle I keep playing, the end is always the same to me. i do not see a character more pivotal in the series than Bran. And, if you look at all other characters that have perished, it seems to me they were all destined to die. but not Bran. not so far. And not after he named his wolf Summer. that's a symbol of a light at the end of this horrific tunnel.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 We'll see after all this isn't Frodo and Sam and GRRM did say he had a bittersweet ending in store for the series end. It won't surprise me at all if Bran does survive but becomes a tree like Bloodraven. Besides my concern is more on the 7 kingdoms, Jon, Jaime, Brienne and Sansa. I really hope all 7 kingdoms will be independent at the end. One king, seven kingdoms. You got to be kidding me.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 lol exactly why i think Jon will die and Bran will live. Bittersweet, bitter cause of Jon's death, and sweet cause of the rise of House Stark, the most beloved of the Houses in Westeros by fans. yeah, maybe one person may bring the kingdoms together, and I believe after all is said and done, whoever will lead Westeros to victory after the war with the Others will be the new king. It won't be cause of anyone's birthright. Winter will last 40 years. so the guy will have to be young.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 All signs point to Bran being that person. All signs point to him sitting on the throne when it's all said and done. This Long Night will be brutal, and many old characters that have been killed might potentially be raised from the dead by the Others, especially characters on the Wall and the North.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 And yes who ever will lead them to victory will become the new king, so unless Bran gets his legs back, I think the most undeniable choice is Jon and Dany as well as the rest.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Why Bran? Because it's been expressed time and again that he's the Winged Wolf, he might not walk, but he'll most definitely fly, just like in his dreams when he was in a coma. he'll literally fly. not warg into a raven. he won't become a tree. The High Lords of the South are Yes Men, they'll follow whoever is strong enough, especially the Tyrells. They know Sansa, yes. she's changed, believe me when she finds out her two baby brothers are alive, things will change.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Winged Wolf which means more of his warg abilities than fighting and leading. The South may be a yes ma'am kind of people but even they are not that much of idiots. The Vale Lords are itching to fight but they will rally to the person who they know and that is Sansa. And so will Blackfish. If our speculation is correct, he will go to the Vale and there he will meet he great niece. The Riverlands will rise again but under Sansa and not a boy who they never seen, met or crippled.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Winged Wolf which means more of his warg abilities than fighting and leading. The South may be a yes ma'am kind of people but even they are not that much of idiots. The Vale Lords are itching to fight but they will rally to the person who they know and that is Sansa. And so will Blackfish. If our speculation is correct, he will go to the Vale and there he will meet he great niece. The Riverlands will rise again but under Sansa and not a boy who they never seen, met or crippled.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
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@jaymi216 @jaymi216 Winged Wolf which means more of his warg abilities than fighting and leading. The South may be a yes ma'am but even they are not that much of idiots. The Vale Lords are itching to fight but they will rally to the person who they know and that is Sansa. And so will Blackfish. If our speculation is correct, he will go to the Vale and there he will meet he great niece. The Riverlands will rise again but under Sansa and not a boy who they never seen, met or crippled.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Bran will lead them victory cause he's the true heir to House Stark. The Lords of the Vale were itching to join the War of the Five Kings in the side of the Starks but were stopped by Lysa. As soon as Petyr's plan come to motion, and he dies, the Lords of the vale will ally themselves with Stannis, and eventually Bran. the Blackfish and Mallister will rally the Riverlords, and a new army will be forged, under one banner, the Stark banner, and Bran will lead them against the Others.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Oh I know there would be a new army that will be forged but not for Bran. Sorry but even Rickon has more a shot of being rallied up than Bran who is in the Land of Always Winter. Maybe if he gets out of there alive my mind would change but not as of now. Seriously, I look how the game is played with the players all in the board.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 The stage is being set, but not complete, not yet. You'll see. When Davos gets Rickon and Osha back to White Harbor, he'll tell Lord Manderly and the rest where Bran went. eventually word will reach to the Wall, and the journey back south of the Wall won't be as torturous as it was going to the Cave in A Dance With Dragons. Jon is no true, as is Manderly. If he finds out his little brother is alive, they'll move heaven and earth to get him back. simple as that.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Oh I think they'll be busy for quite a while fighting the Boltons & Freys at the moment. Plus Jon Snow still needs to become a wolf because of his prophecy. Maybe he'll see Bran then but he needs to be reborn yet to become Azor Ahai. Every character has his own adventure. Its not that I don't want him to be saved but I think Bran and co. will save themselves eventually to perform his duties as the last hero reborn. Kinda like Sansa, she'll emerge and make an army of herself.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 The Boltons and Freys will be taken care of by the BlackFish from the South, and Stannis in the North, they're fucked one way or another. the Lannisters won't lift a finger to save them. they'll be busy, along with the Tyrells, dealing with the alliance of the Golden Company and House Martell. Not to mention the Tyrells have to also battle the Greyjoys who are fucking up their coast. the stage is set, and the scene is ripe, for the downfall of the Boltons and Freys.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Exactly but that doesn't mean they're in the clear yet. You want someone to try to save Bran but I don't think that's GRRM's style. I can imagine Bran more riding in a dragon than someone "fetching" him. Besides have to understand before you can save others, you have to overcome your own problems as is in the real world. I would rather like to see Arya come and be reunited first with Nymeria before they go North with their large pack of wolves.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
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LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 NO, Bran is capable of saving himself. No problem. I'm just going by the characters' personalities. When Jon awakes after all those stabbings, and finds out Rickon's alive, and Bran is North of the Wall, you really think he's gonna keep doing his Lord Commander duties? hell no. He'll try to find his brother. as simple as that. cause that's who he is. that's why we all love him so much. it's the logical step in his journey. Even if he wakes up Azor Ahai reborn, he's still Jon.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Well aside from the fact that the Night's Watch figuratively kicked him out. My fondest wish is for the Wall to fall or break either way. That rigid code of the Night's watch made it reason as to way they are a dwindling group. As for the Riverlords, I don't think all of them are cowards, you forget some of the hostages who survived the Frey RW are still in their dungeons so they had to be good. But not for all, when they get their relatives back, I think they will rise again.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 I honestly believe the Lords Declarant, when they hear that Alayne is really Sansa Stark, will interrogate her, and she'll spill the beans on the things Baelish has been up to, and that will end up being the death of Petyr. Sansa will probably end up marrying Harrold Hardyng and get herself the Vale army. And when Davos returns with Rickon, Sansa will march her army to White Harbor and ally herself with Stannis if he isn't dead yet. But Stannis will die sometime in the future
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
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@jaymi216 Sansa to win the Vale and Riverlands and make her own army. Jon to be reborn at last and Rickon with Manderly and the North. Only then will the pack finally be fit to be reunited.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 OMG! I hope not! Harry is Robert 2.0. I would rather see her unwed a 2nd time around. In my opinion, she's the younger more beautiful queen in the prophecy. So I'm just waiting for Tyrion and Dany to die and for Jon to reclaim his rightful throne. Bran will be king in the North and Rickon his heir but like I said time and time again Jon and Sansa are for the South. and hey you're on line! :)
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
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@LadyLyanna25 lol yeah i am. okay, the way you make it sound, it's as if you want Sansa to be the second coming of Lyanna. I don't think so. I think Arya is more fitting of that.Sansa, yes she's changed, but she's still more her mother's child than her father's. very little North in her. you should. my email is jaymi1990@gmail.com. shoot me an email. faster than being on this video don't you think?
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Oh, one more thing, I just find it ridiculous how cowardly the Riverlords are. they're so weak compared to the Lords of the rest of the realm. Only the Mallisters, Tullys (just cause of Blackfish, who's amazing), and Blackwoods are worth anything, especially now that the Whents and the Darrys have been wiped out. Lol. You're the first person that i've talked that intimately knows this saga as well as I do. It's rather refreshing.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 I'm actually counting on Sansa on this one. Geographically speaking, once she gets her army, the first hard assault I want her to hit is the Twins. And the victory on the twins would win the river lords back to her. Like they would fight for Aegon for no reason lol. No... from all the 7 kingdoms its actually the Riverlands which I feel sorry for, its actually the one place pounded several times by different factions.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 I get that. And that is a sound analysis on how the Vale army ought to go. But unless they have Bronze Yohn Royce leading that army, and not the recless Harry, then i don't see that happening. I predict the last scene of the Winds of Winter being the true Horn of Winter, this time with the Others, and they blow it, and the Wall comes tumbling down, enabling them to start their invasion. it'll happen right after Bran gets to the Wall and tells them who's behind them.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 I'm kinda hoping about that, Bronze is a dear friend of Eddard Stark so he will be Sansa's biggest supporter. And so will the Horn of Winter, its actually the thing I keep imagining with them killing all the crows in the wall. Once Stannis defeats Roose and Ramsay Bolton, that victory would be short lived since the Others finally arrives.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Yes, my feeling exactly. but i do hope all senselessness, torment, cruelty and stubbornness that will all know Stannis is capable of is unleashed to the Boltons and Freys. that man is uncompromising. he'll make a stern example to the realm in a way that no one will ever dare try break the Guest Right ever again for another 5000 years or so since the Rat Cook tale Old Nan told Bran lol.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 True! Stannis is a hard man so I hope he does make an example for everyone to remember the guest right. I'm just keep imagining him dying in the Battle with the Others though. Wouldn't it be a shock when he finds out he is not really Azor Ahai and that Melisandre blundered big time...
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 shock to him lolol, not to us clearly lol. let's talk about the Greyjoys, the Martells and the Lannisters now lol... what's your email?
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 The Greyjoys are loony. Aside from Asha and Theon, the brothers are basically crazy! Who is crazy enough to conquer lands if they can't hold it. They're just a tag-along in my opinion but pivotal for the ships to carry Dany I guess. The Martells are also just nuisances, I find them extremely lucky that are farthest from the North. If I was GRRM I'll hit them first with Ice and Snow then let all their dead come back to life. The Lannisters on the other hand has some of my mixed vote.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 lol yeah, Balon was a dumbass. all he had to do was go on a rampage throughout the Westerlands and he would have been king and rich from all the golds they'd have plundered, but he decided to go for the North, which can't be conquered by an outsider, and WINTER WAS COMING lol. Victarion, especially in ADWD, is another oaf, Lord Captain Oaf. another dumbass. not suited to be anything other than a soldier. Aeron, well good thing he's a priest.lol Euron gives me pause. he's cunning
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 I think from all brothers, Euron is the only one who has merit. The prophecy even warms Dany about the squid. But I'm just waiting for them to die. Either Victarion and Euron die on hand to hand combat or Euron dies on something else entirely.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 yeah, he's so smart, and smooth, and a great strategies. he actually has redeeming qualities, doesn't go to war half-cocked. too bad he's utterly untrustworthy. the events in Dorne are interesting, will be more eventful now that Quentyn is dead. i wonder if Balon Swan will catch up to the Darkstar. it'll be great if they get into a death match. oh, Ned Dayne is young, he'll play a big role with his family's sword, Dawn, when the Others come. it'll be great. he'll survive the battle
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Oh I think Balon will catch Darkstark soon. I just wish they don't fight yet. I love them better if they fight the Others. And yes I had a feeling that 12 year old kid would be pivotal to fighting the Others. I was actually shipping him to Arya more than Gendry. lol
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 yeah Edric Dayne, Gendry, Edric Storm, Rickon and Bran will be important when the Long Night kicks into full swing. they're the heroes of the morrow. Darkstar cannot be trusted. the guy is more of a wildcard than anyone in the book, most dangerous character of them all, more so than even any Greyjoy in my book, even Euron. I believe that Garlan will truly be the one to put down one or two of the Greyjoy brothers, cause he's a badass like that. It's a shame Willas can't walk.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Yedah I was actually imagining the kids become the heroes in this story, since basically all the old guys are dying like flies. If Darkstar and Balon Swann do fight, I really really hope Balon wins. He really is honest and a true knight just like Garlan.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Balon is a good guy, but he doesn't strike me as particularly smart, I believe the Darkstar can outwit him and kill him. We'll see. Also, his brother is someone worth paying attention to. The Constant is also a good character. And I wonder where Aurane Waters went. If he went to Stannis, then along with Lord Manderly's fleet, the North will have the Strongest Navy, bar none. amazing huh lol
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Sigh. The good guy does always die first. And he was my favorite white cloak at that. Donnel Swann is fickle in my opinion, he changes sides like he changes clothes lol. I was actually, vying for him to die first. Aurane waters is another coward, I can actually imagine him going to Stannis. Manderly and Aurane would really dominate the seas if the happens. Wouldn't it be cool to see how it would turn out if they fight Euron/Victarion's fleet.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 That's exactly why I think Balon isn't long for this world. Donnel may switch sides, but he's a brave man, and i do believe a better warrior than Balon. we'll see. If Aurane and Manderly joined forces, Victarion comes back and unites his fleet with Euron's, it'll be a hell of a fight. i do believe they'll push the Greyjoys back to the Islands and massacre them there. Just like they deserve. Especially if Davos leads that battle.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 I believe House Harlaw can hold those Islands provided they get rid of the Greyjoys. Rodrick is smart. a good man. I dont like the Tyrells, they're too soft for my taste, but i love Garlan the Gallant. he's a true man right there. i hope Loras dies soon. and Mace, so that Garlan and Willas can take over the Reach. the Martells are opportunists, schemers, like the Lannisters. but they'll ally themselves with Aegon. no doubt.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Good House but you never know with Euron. That guy just skeeves me too much. The Tyrells, I hope gets what's coming to them by Aegon, JC and GC. I just can't wait for them to be ruined though. Loras is an idiot, Mace an even bigger idiot, Olenna, too much of a schemer and Margaery too duplicious. I can wait for Randyll Tarly to betray them. And yeah the only decent ones there is really Garlan and Willas.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 lol Randyll Tarly is loyal to a fault, as is Paxter Redwyne and the Hightowers and every noble family of the Reach save for the Florents. They won't betray Mace Tyrell. Olenna is a schemer, sure, but she's got to be like that to protect her grand kids. Margaery is a black widow, you marry her, your dead and gone. Tommen isn't long for this world lol. Also, there's a rumor that Jaqen H'gar's mission was to kill Margaery Tyrell, that's why he's in Oldtown, in Westeros to begin with.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 I was thinking about how capable a leader Randyll is and how better he is than Mace Tyrell himself. Paxter is loyal but I'm not sure about Randyll because of what JC and co are saying that have Reach friends. Comparing the two together, Randyll is brilliant while Mace is an idiot. Its only Olenna and Willas who's holding the Reach together in my opinion. About Margaery where did you hear you that? I think only Cersei hates Margaery and Cersei is broke. lol
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 I read it on facebook, you do know most of the main characters have profiles right? and it's a company that runs these characters. just the other week i was in a huge fight with the chick running Lyanna Stark's profile cause of Robert's Rebellion, and how she caused it (if she wasnt abducted). Randyll is great, he'll be an big asset when battling the Others, the most capable commander south of the Neck (save for Jon Connington, and Blackfish) currently now that Tywin is dead.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 The one on facebook? I thought those guys were just roleplaying. I was kinda hoping Randyll and Sam would meet eventually, wouldn't it be cool to see that his son finally became a hero, he is Sam the slayer plus he's not anymore that much of a coward. I see Randyll as the next Tywin. Wouldn't it be ironic if Dickon dies and Randyll has no choice but to get Sam back lol. Talk about twist of fate.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Sam's already taken the black, I don't see him ever being Lord of Horn Hill. If Dickon dies, i could see Mance Rayder's son groomed to be the new Lord lol. that would be funny. AND THERE'S YET ANOTHER HERO!! lol.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 yeah but there wouldn't be a Night's Watch after the Wall will break. The Others will kill every single one in the Wall. I was remembering the dream Sam had about him and Gilly in Hornhill. I'm just waiting for that to happen. I think Mace will get his son back but I think Gilly's son will die if Val won't get out of there soon. A naval battle was not been seen ever since battle of blackwater so it would be appreciated.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 honestly, what's your email? if the Wall fails, I believe the Night's Watch will have to retreat to Winterfell and stay there for a while. It was burnt, but it's still a strong castle, good for defense, and it's double-walled, probably by magic as well. I was thinking. In the POVs of Jon, Sansa and Arya, none of them dwell on the fact they're Starks more than Bran. Bran always reminds himself he's a Prince (he doesn't know Robb's dead) and a Stark. that is very important to me.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Well about that, Jon's trying sever his ties of being one, Sansa's trapped in her Alayne persona and Arya is trying to be one of the Faceless because she thought all her family is dead. Its kinda sad actually reading them all. The lone wolf may die but the pack remains. Who can that saying work if the pack is actually broken in pieces? All of them seriously need to get together soon. They're a pack after all. Anyway I sent you a msg 2 days ago, it should be in your inbox.
LadyLyanna25 1 week ago
@LadyLyanna25 Yes, all of them are forgetting who they are and where they came from... all of them but Bran Stark. Jon is understandable, because he's always been an outsider. Sansa has always been a confused little girl, but she's maturing for the better. Arya is the most lost, since she's trying to be a completely different person. But Bran, the last Stark to hold Winterfell, hasn't forgotten. and it'll always drive him to be a better person, a better character, than them all.
jaymi216 1 week ago
@jaymi216 Bran is by far the only Stark that still has his identity but are you sure he'll come out of there still as a boy? Bloodraven said he will never walk again and some of the guys in westeros.org are saying Jojen was already sacrifice then fed to Bran as paste to become a tree. Crazy right?
LadyLyanna25 1 week ago
@LadyLyanna25 Bran will come out of that cave with a new purpose in life, but the fact he's a Stark will never elude him. Jojen will not be sacrificed. the paste came from the weirwood seeds. And he won't become a tree. Even Bloodraven lived a full life as a kinslayer to Daemon, Hand of the King to Aerys I and Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Nothing to suggest Bran's "being a tree" fate will happen eminently. he'll be a warrior and when he's old long after the Long Night he'll become a tree
jaymi216 1 week ago
@LadyLyanna25 and I have a feeling Bronze Royce is aching for a proper battle. wait till he finds out his kid on the Wall was killed by the Others. Nothing Baelish or anyone else can do will stop him from marching on and facing the Others.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Didn't his kid Waymar rose up to become a wight walker? If Bronze Royce does fight the Others, he might get the shock of his life when he sees him dead but still walking...
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 haha yeah, exactly my sentiments. that would be something lol.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 The Riverlands need to unite under either Jason Mallister, who's imprisoned in his own castle, Seaguard, or the BlackFish, which is more plausible considering he's now MIA. I think he'll catch up with the Brotherhood without Banners, see her little niece as Lady Stoneheart, and seek vengeance on top of everything that's happened. Bran, Melisandre or Thoros will find a way to heal Stoneheart back to Catelyn. I really hope Robert Arryn doesn't die, i hope he gets better.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Either Mallister or Blackfish will do, I don't pretty much mind. At least House Mallister was still loyal enough not to lay siege on Riverrun but as long as its not Edmure Tully. Lady Stoneheart on the other hand is beyond helping it would seem. The best way for her is to lead her to the Twins and kill every single Frey out there or kill her once and for all. I think Thoros knows now that he gave the fire of life, he is unable to get it back so he is basically powerless to stop her.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 yeah I call Edmure Tully "Lord Oaf", what a bumbling idiot. he seems like he would be a better peace time Lord than war time. he won the war for the Lannisters, although inadvertently. but no matter. he's tucked away for the time being in Casterly Rock. you know what I'd love? Dany invades Westeros, and the Others come, and the armies come together and fight them off, and Blackfish and Barristan Selmy go to war hand in hand. those two old folks are badass lol.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Speaking about that its unfair how Riverrun and the North got war torn while Casterly Rock, Dorne & Reach barely got touch. I hope when Dany or Aegon does finally come to play, they could at least do a number on them. But yeah! That would be awesome to see Blackfish and Barristan Selmy fighting together. Ack! The wait on Dany is really frustrating but I guess GRRM has his reasons. I would never let a Dothraki army into Westeros after the war of the five kings that would be a massacre.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 The Westerlands were fucked up properly by Robb and the Stark army lol. they even got to Castamere and the GreatJon got as much gold as his men could carry. there's someone else i miss. my, will he be pissed once he is rescued. and he knows Bran, for sure he'll throw House Umber behind any Stark, specifically Bran though. I for one would love to see Pyke burned to the ground, and the Greyjoys extinct, with House Harlaw raised to be overlords of the Iron Islands
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
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@jaymi216 I'm counting on Lord Jon Umber for that, once all the captives are freed, all hell will break lose. I'm really really hoping they burn the Twins to the ground but you know GRRM. Anyway, did you hear? GRRM actually revealed the entire plot to the producers (along with some other people he trusted). In case something happens to him, the only way the plot would be finished is through the TV show. I know that may be a safety precaution but I would rather he finishes it in the books.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 Plus, you'll notice the mysterious Lord Howland Reed hasn't made an appearance yet. You think once word gets around that Bran and his children survive the Sack of Winterfell he'll sit idly by in Greywater Watch? i dont think so. I can picture him, Davos, Jon (provided he lives) and Ghost, along with a host of Crannogmen and wildings, braving the snow and making the trek up north to try and find Bran.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 And, in that journey, we the readers, along with Jon, will find out the true origin of Lord Commander Jon Snow, whether or not he really was Eddard's bastard with Wylla (or Ashara Dayne) or Rhaegar and Lyanna's child.
jaymi216 2 weeks ago
@jaymi216 Why Bran? Yes he may help to defeat the Others but he has no connections to the other kingdoms, unlike Jon and Sansa who stayed in Kingslanding & Vale and learned its politics, interacted with people in Dorne, Reach and Casterly Rock. I doubt the lords of Westeros would bow down to Bran. Nah, my idea would be Bran as king in the North but Jon and Sansa in the South. The Stark family are very much loved but the ending's bittersweetness is the fact they will always be separated.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 A blacksmith? Like Robert's bastard son, who has a thing for Arya?
angerdux8 2 weeks ago
@angerdux8 Yes Azor Ahai was a blacksmith in the Age of Heroes. He made the lightbringer by killing his own wife and fought the Others together with the other heroes.
LadyLyanna25 2 weeks ago
@LadyLyanna25 and, if that's the case, well, maybe Azor Ahai was Brandon Stark, the Builder, maybe Azor Ahai is Bran Stark in the Old Tongue, or some other language we don't know. also, throughout the book Bloodraven (three eyed crow) and the Children of the Forest haven't even bothered to let their presence known to anyone else because Bran's the one who must live, made that clear when Bran was in a coma. when he awoke from it, he was no longer a boy, he was reborn, in my opinion.
jaymi216 3 weeks ago
@MrStarbuck123 But didn't Jon die a la Caesar?
angerdux8 2 weeks ago
@MrStarbuck123 oh, not to mention the new version of the Winter Rose, Sansa Stark and the armies of the Vale will be in the mix. maybe even the useless Tyrells.
jaymi216 1 month ago
0:49 Heath Ledger in A Knights Tale
TheIrishMail 4 months ago
I'm telling you guys... Jon Snow is actually Rhaygar's bastard. Not Ned's
WangDugay 4 months ago
What's the song's name?
nomadeitaliano 4 months ago
@nomadeitaliano It's "Scarobough Fair" by Sarah Brightman.
Faeriachan 4 months ago
@nomadeitaliano the song is by Simon and Garfunkel 'Are you Going to Scarboro Fair"
angerdux8 2 weeks ago
3:33 Ser Arthur Dayne, 'the Sword of the Morning'. My favourite character from the backstory of A Song of Ice and Fire. The greatest knight in the history of Westeros. Which new hero shall wield Dawn in the War for the Dawn? Arise Podrick Payne, the 'Sword of the Morning'!
AzorAhaiReborn 4 months ago
@AzorAhaiReborn I thought Podrick Payne was already dead. Wasn't he hanged by Lady Stoneheart (Catelyn Stark)?... I think the Sword of the Morning has got to be Edric Dayne, Arthur's nephew. It's been two decades since anyone's wielded Dawn, hasn't it? (ever since Howland Reed killed Arthur Dayne I believe)
jaymi216 3 months ago
@jaymi216 My post was only half-serious, but is Podrick actually dead? We never get full confirmation as all we're told is that he is 'dying', but not dead. Brienne is still alive, so Podrick may still be around too.
As for the Sword of the Morning, we know that it doesn't necessarily have to be a Dayne who wields Dawn, but rather the finest swordsman in Westeros. Dawn could become Lightbringer and pass to the reborn Azor Ahai in the war against the Others. Who will be Azor Ahai reborn though?
AzorAhaiReborn 3 months ago
@AzorAhaiReborn Dawn Has to be wielded by a Dayne. Look at its history. It's always been wielded by a Dayne. The last Dayne to wield it was Arthur. It's their historical family LongSword, just like Ice was the Stark family's longsword. I have no doubt in my mind that Jon Snow will be Azor Ahai reborn. With an emphasis on REBORN (he's got to die to get reborn, that's why he had to be betrayed and get stabbed in A Dance with Dragons, and take notice to the fact that his wounds were smoking)
jaymi216 3 months ago
@jaymi216 Yes, you are correct regarding Dawn. The Wiki page confused me as it said the sword does not have to pass to the 'Lord' of House Dayne, but instead to the best knight of House Dayne. Apologies. It does raise the question of who shall wield it though, as Edric Dayne is quite young, and Darkstar doesn't seem honorable. We shall see.
AzorAhaiReborn 3 months ago
@AzorAhaiReborn The only way I see Darkstar getting Dawn is through nefarious means, such as stealing it lol. Okay, there is one Dayne member that hasn't been accounted for. Edric's father. It is only said that Edric is the Lord of Starfall, and nephew to Allyria, who was married to Beric Dondarrion. Now, since Arthur was a Kingsguard member, maybe he had an older brother. GRRM should mention Edric's dad at least once. that'd be nice.
jaymi216 3 months ago
@jaymi216 As for Jon being Azor Ahai reborn, I think its a very good possibility, but remember, the prophecy states 'when the red star bleeds Azor Ahai shall be born again....' This does not necessarily mean that anyone must die and be reborn, it simply states that 'Azor Ahai' shall be reborn. In other words, the prophecy does not indicate that anyone must be resurrected in order for Azor Ahai to be reborn through them.
AzorAhaiReborn 3 months ago
@AzorAhaiReborn You remember in the book that Jon had a dream of fighting the Others while clutching a red flaming sword burning his hand? plus every time Melissandre, the Rhlorr witch, looks into her fires (which allow her to see the future) for Azor Ahai, she only sees Jon Snow. plus there was a rumor that the tears of Bowen Marsh's tears (the leader of the guys who betrayed Jon) contained salt.this is still an odd rumor though, we'll wait and see. at this point, it's either him or Victarian.
jaymi216 3 months ago
I'm glad you're as big a fan as i am. Now, if they only made a movie about the Rhaegar, Lyanna and the War of the Usurper. That'd be spectacularly awesome. lol
jaymi216 3 months ago
perhaps, but he is not dragon at all. Fire burned him while attack of the Others in Blac Castle
Houston2504 5 months ago
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That and he looks nothing like a Targaryen he takes after Ned in pretty much everywayand lacks any of the distinctive features of those with valyrian blood, purple eyes, pale complexion, white hair.
The3eyedcrow 4 months ago
@The3eyedcrow Yes, because those are recessive genetic traits, it is why the Targs constantly inbred, to keep them.
Waywardpaladin 3 months ago
@Houston2504 Targaryens are not immune to fire. GRRM has repeatedly stated Daenery's hatching was a miracle
cherubagent544 4 months ago
what!! lyanna wasnt kidnapped?? jon snows her son??
well bind by breast with a white sheet and call me butch!! because thats just how confused i am!!
chykim1 5 months ago in playlist Liked
@chykim1 That's the theory. The writer haven't said anything about it yet.
feonor26 5 months ago
@chykim1 It fits perfectly. Ned found her in a bed of blood, dying of fever [very common for mothers to die of septic fever at childbirth, back in the day]. The Targs were bigamists. Raegar would never grab and rape anyone. Lyanna was like Arya and Brandon, wild-hearted. Lyanna made Ned promise to raise Jon. He could never tell Jon who his mother was because Jon was a Targ and Robert would kill him. Ned says Jon has his blood, never that he is his son.
angerdux8 2 weeks ago
Is she pregnant at 1:46?
ArisaEBlake 6 months ago
@ArisaEBlake No idea about that but it could be^^
Faeriachan 6 months ago
@ArisaEBlake Yeah, I thought the same. It seems so ! :)
Hestiachan 6 months ago
many people think that Jon Snow is their son.
TheonIronBorn 5 months ago
@ArisaEBlake There is a rumor that Jon Snow is Lyanna and Rhaegar's child, because Ned Stark brought back Jon after his failed quest to recover Lyanna.
vaporscop 5 months ago
My, sorry for the amount of time I took to comment this video. Anyway - It's way cool, I love it ! (And I love the song too but well, you already know it). You're so talented, you know? ^^
Hope we'll learn more about them...
Hestiachan 6 months ago
@Hestiachan Thanks^^ And.....j'ai la flemme de poursuivre en anglais XD
Merci beaucoup pour les compliments^^ J'ai également hâte d'en savoir plus sur ce petit mystère (mais ce n'est pas une nouvelle pour toi lol).
Faeriachan 6 months ago
Jon snow is Ashara daynes son! DAWN is lightbringer Jon is "the sword of the morning" the prince that was promised...Azor ahai
gregg008 6 months ago
@2:53 such a good picture of Robert as a young soldier in his prime. Full of life and thirst for battle. An excellent soldier, but sadly not an excellent king!
feonor26 6 months ago
I didn't get a clear answer in either the book or wikipedia. Can someone tell me WHAT Lyanna died of? And was really Rhaegar to blame for her death?
feonor26 6 months ago
@feonor26 Nobody knows. Some say she's Jon's real mother and rhaeger her real father, and that she died in childbirth.
TheCarydal 6 months ago
@TheCarydal Guess we'll just have to wait and see, but I think those theories makes sense.
feonor26 6 months ago
@feonor26 She died of child bed fever. Robert believes Rhaegar raped and killed her. But the background story, the implication is that Rhaegar loved her and she ran off with him. She got pregnant. She made Ned promise to raise her son as his own. Robert would have killed the baby or had him killed. And if Robert ever found out that Lyanna wanted Rhagaer [she says at one point that Robert would never be true to her], his rage would be endless.
angerdux8 2 weeks ago
2:27 loved it so much i painted it myself
blondie234x 7 months ago
this video made me draw a lyanna and Rhaegar picture!
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outforsushi 7 months ago
@outforsushi Tell him to reap it with a sickle of leather
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
And gather it all in a bunch of heather
Then he'll be a true love of mine
Are you going to Harrenhal Fair?
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme
Remember me to one who lives there
He once was a true love of mine
outforsushi 7 months ago
I love to see this song become the official theme song for Lyanna Stark x Rhaegar for the Game Thrones series
outforsushi 7 months ago
@outforsushi Listen to other Sarah Brightman song. They're all excellent
outforsushi 7 months ago
lovely, thanks for making video and uploading.
jptpoker 7 months ago
"Rhaegar fought Valiantly , Rhaegar Fought Nobly, and Rhaegar Died"......
archer1949 7 months ago
I dont remember how Lyanna died. Can anyone tell me?
choccy1981 7 months ago
@choccy1981 it doesnt mention, although Eddard mentions blood and a fever which many believe measn she died from child birth or shortly after
spyderc85 7 months ago in playlist Music
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outforsushi 7 months ago
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@choccy1981 Lyanna died from fever and bed of blood was the description. Some speculated that she was killed by 3 Whitecloaks. We speculate thats a description of child birth. Before she died she made Ned promise her something that have haunted him for the rest of his life
outforsushi 7 months ago
personallly i think jon snow is lyanna and rhaegar's son
simanimation 7 months ago