The guy in the commercial is the insurance company bureaucrat that is wedged between American patients and their physician, and that insurance company bureaucrat, not the physician, makes the medical decisions for the patient based on what's best for the insurance company's bottom line, not what's best for the patient's health and well-being.
Isn't that supposed to resemble your private insurance police that helped you profited from your dying patients in your Columbia HCA fraud business, Mr. Scott
P.S.: and thanks for paying us taxpayers back the record $1.7 billion dollar Medicare/Medicaid fine (biggest recorded medical fraud fine in history), we do need it for reform!
The insurance companies are seeking SUBSIDIES from state & federal tax dollars to insure the uninsured. This would cost 25% more than any public option with worse results. It would cost 3X as much over a seven year period. That's right 3X as much money coming from the taxpayers right into the pockets of the evil health insurance corporations. More money to the people who should be in prison, not in control of people's health care decisions. We need new criminal laws to put these idiots in jail.
I just can't understand why people are so lazy to not go and raed HR3200 themselves and not just go by what Obama says, even after he himself has said he has never read it.
Something about it not have any pictures makes it to hard for him to read.
you people don't even listen to what Obama even says, other than the word free. That's all people hear.
Obama wants to cut healthcare cost. Not the cost you pay for healthcare insurance but all of healthcare cost. To do that, he has to cut much of the needed healthcare altogather.
Obama doesn't give a rats ass about anyones healthcare if he cut any cost of healthcare.
Obama has used the word free many of times. He knows there is no better way to get people to stop and listen to as many lies as he can tell as long as he uses the word free. And all he has to do is use it once. Then all the lazy bastards of the nation key of that one word. oh he changes it artoud here or there ny saying you come go to the doctor and not have to pay anything out of pocket. The lie is that your taxed for being on it, no matter how much you make.
so you haven't read HR3200, you are just going by what Obama said. he sais a many of things when he was running, now we have find to be all lies.
But according to HR3200 you have no choice. There is a public option. HR3200 gives everyone 5 years or face a 2.2% tax of your income for not signing on.
And if enough people refuse he'll have to change that. You won't even be allowed to buy a loaf of bread if you don't.
haha...this ad is so wrong...this is what we have right now with Private insurance, a Book keeper stand between you and your doctor , dictating what care they are willing to pay for........the Public Plan is going to be the best deal in town, thats why Private insurances are SOOOO SCARED...haha....
Right now huh. My wifes doctor says, "you're going to need a costly double bypass surgery that can cost in the $100,'s of thousands". so he calls the insurance company and they told him she is covered. the next day he does the surgery, 8 days later she comes home. A week later the bill comes in. It's over $169K, at the bottom it says "PAID IN FULL".
Under Obamacare, she is to old to get anything over $1000. She is what Obama says, "end of life",and not allowed to have that much spent on her.
- Today, we are NOT the ones deciding what's best for us. My insurance company decides what is cheapest for them, and then tells me it's that way or I pay everything on my own.
- The government is not going to come BETWEEN you and your doctor. The government is just going to PAY for the service.
I've had surgery done in France and in the U.S. Believe me, health-care is MUCH better in France. And it is completely free.
to your healthcare? Like the Health Insurance Bureaucrats now do, with their phony "pre-existing condition" BS, re CANCER???
People have said, that the Health Industry "would kill, for just one hour's worth of the profits that they make off the public"...and that's true. These Murderers HAVE killed--they killed an innocent 17-year-old girl called Natalee Sarkisian. Keyword it & look it up: she was up for a liver transplant & the CONS denied.
I'm sick of these insurance companies stealing my money over the past several years and telling me what group of doctors I must see or what procedures they will or won't cover. In addition they waste my money in their marketing campaigns trying to sign up new members.
This more accurately shows what the insurance companies do, except the guy with the glasses would just be telling the patient that they're not paying for her treatment because it costs too much.
By your logic, I suppose since private markets ration other necessities, like groceries and energy, that the government should take over those markets too.
Sweden (where I live) is often considered a bad example of a so called "socialist state". The word socialism...regardless of possible thought-up links to the red (ooooh!) means one simple thing for me - caring about your neighbours. Really, is that so god damn bad?
I happily pay taxes as I know that both I and my fellow swedes will benefit from it.
For those of you who are christian (I'm not) the idea of helping other people should be VERY much a par with the teachings of the bible.
The problem with your point is that in both systems of government, democracy and socialism, the idea is to care for one's neighbor. The difference is that in a democracy you care for your neighbor of your own accord, in a socialist state you are forced to care for your neighbor and you have no say what kind of care that person will recieve.
So tell me, do people in the current system care for their neighbors? Can it be considered to be working? Do people who need help receive it?
I think that the current system is not working. And regarding compulsory vs freedom of choice...the US government already govern many other things. Should the responsibility be transferred to all citizens?
What do you mean by "you have no say what kind of care that person will recieve"? What would need to say about another persons care?
Yes people do care for their neighbors, and yes people who need help do recieve it.
The current system isn't working because there's already too much government intervention. The citizens, not the government, should be the ones running this country. They work for US not the other way around. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are the principles upon which this country was founded.
I think that my neighbor would know better what kind of care I need than the US government.
Except private health care is not run by a democracy. it is run by capitalist enterprise, and caring for the sick and needy is not a profitable business. People are already denied coverage or payment for basic needs, and prices are completely out of sync with natural inflation.
Agreed. My health is my concern. Full-stop. We need not a wholesale transfer of medical managed services from the private sector to a public (political burocrat-run) sector whose interests will be swayed by corporate money & where medical services rationing will occur. Rather, we must return medicine to local communities & adopt private medical management services reform & thus return medicine to the sanctity of patient-doctor decision-making & personal rational risk managment options.
Its a Public Option Plan (According to this BS Advert), so your health care can still be your concern. Full-Stop.
No ones going to stop you purchasing whatever health care you choose... This Ad is a lie, tell President Obama to stop Liars coming between you and your advertising...
It's not patients that want to stop health reform - it's insurance companies, whose activities drive up the cost of care, make it inaccessible to millions of workers and retired folk, and who don't want the game to be over for them. Conservatives for insurance companies, more like.
Insurance companies make up about 20% of the resistance to this bill. The other 80% are people who are genuinely concerned about what this bill will do to our economy, or even our system of government.
Indeed, where is it written in the federal constitution that states are obliged to accept a federally-run health-care plan (which, by the way, will become the only available healcare afer 20 years or so)?
Clearly working the rubes here...the game is to hope ppl are too dim to see the godawful INSURANCE bureaucracies for what they are, and the shitty massive-deductible (non)plans out there as highly brutal rationing devices.
"Option"...a public "option"...if the free market is so awesome, great, keep yr priv coverage, then kick back and witness the drubbing.
What's to get exercised about?
At bottom all this blustering plays on righties' basically doubting their own convictions.
I'm Canadian. A few weeks ago I had hives on my leg. I was concerned...I have food allergies.
Went to to a walk-in clinic to see my favorite doctor...no appointment...10 to 15 minutes..got one willing to see me asap.looked at it..gave me a perscription...10 bucks...follow up appointment.
I'm Canadian. The government stood between me and my healthcare by enabling me to go to any doctor I want. By ensuring whenever I go to the hospital I don't have to show a credit card or health insurance plan. Once, when I was in a head-on collision, the government stood so much in the way they allowed the doctors to charter an aircraft to make sure I got to the best possible hospital to take care of me. That sick inefficient government.
teddpotts, you illustrate my point: You believe anything the TV ads tell you to believe.
THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS THAT DENY YOU CARE.
Consequently, we can save 30% of all costs spent on health care that is sucked up by parasitical health insurance companies that only defend their bottom line.
And sure I could sue. But they have an army of lawyers for that. And they can deny care by simply not picking up the phone when I need approval.
Yeah, we don't need a public option....I'd rather lose my house to pay for hospital bills. Well, that's if I had a home, that was given up to the banks a few months ago. We just need to trust our banks and corporations MORE, not LESS....keep yelling HANDS OFF MY HEALTHCARE :)
The cost of health insurance premiums have risen to a place where having health insurance is unaffordable for many. I am self employed & if my business fails,& I can't continue to pay my premiums, I will not have coverage. Then if I get sick, I will lose everything. A US citizen should not have to lose everything to get medical care. The other common scenairo is if you lose your job & your insurance, then get sick often you can't get coverage because you are considered high risk.
There is a bureaucrat between your doctor and you right now. Mine is called Health First, what' your called?
Also, what about the millions of people that can't afford it or are denied because of pre-existent conditions? Or are kicked out of it because they get sick.
The only people you are getting with this are idiots, but sadly the great masses are idiots. Big defect in Democracy.
Hows the current system working out for you? Where the insurance companies collect premiums and deny benefits. Or deny you coverage from the get go. Pretty good system for the CEO's and Wall Street . Where most of the working public's wages are flat or declining, due to the ever increasing medical insurance premium. Single Payer. Lets get the profit takers out of the equation.
In Australia we have the option of the Government system or private health care. Everyone has access to treatment and lack of funds is not an impediment.
If the funds are lacking, from whence do they come? Does Australia issue 30-year bonds like the US, obligating the next generation to pay for this generation's (and their generation's) health care costs - as well as their retirement costs, their home-loan subsidies, the losses on their railway transportation, the losses on their postal monopoly, the losses on their national charity programs, the losses on their pay-for-no-work programs, the losses on their pay-for-no-farming programs .....
The funds for this program aren't just lacking, they don't exist. We're already dangerously close to not ever being able to balance our budget or pay off our national debt. If the new healthcare plan gets passed and signed then we will have signed our economic death warrant as a nation. We will continue to slip farther and farther into debt. That is unless we were to raise the average tax rate near that of other countries who run socialized medicine programs... ~70% combined tax
"If I am sick and need health care I am a cost factor." That is true, but it is also true if you are in a government-run plan. The main difference is the government has the "right" to initiate physical force against its citizens; insurance companies don't. In addition, you can sue an insurance company if it doesn't provide payments according to your contract. What can you do if a government bureaucrat refuses to cover your transplant?
You can sue Ins. Companies for doing that? Then why doesn't it happen? Or right, they are multi-billion dollars companies. How can the average Joe fight against them?
And what you mean the gov't has right to "initiate physical force against its citizens"? Ever heard of the bill of rights?
And the actual difference between public option and private is that the gov't won't be out there to make a profit (just to serve).
There are thousands of lawyers who will take a case against an insurance company, at no up-front cost. All they need is proof the insurance company didn't do what it promised, and they'll take 30-40% of the net proceeds of the lawsuit. There are zero lawyers, though, that will take a case against a government that doesn't do what it promised, since lawsuits are illegal against those in charge of national health insurance.
There are 1000s of lawyers that would do this? Then how come it doesn't happen! Just because a lawyer is willing to do this for free doesn't mean that he will win. The multi-billion dollar company can hire a greater amount for more money and go as far as doing illegal things to win the case.
They have the money, they can make truth whatever they want it to be (and it has happen and keeps happening).
Governments initiate force against individual citizens every time they require a person to prove he's innocent, as they do when they regulate businesses. As a business owner, I'm forced to do hundreds of things I would never do, except under the threat of imprisonment and/or property confiscation. That kind of force will come down hard, eventually, on those who "abuse" the national health program, and the definition of "abuse" will change over time, subject to the then-seated czar's whims.
teddpotts - im confused. every citizen is innocent until proven guilty if a crime is leveled against them. Also, what do you mean when you say, "I'm forced to do hundreds of things I would never do, except under the threat of imprisonment". What are you being forced to do?
One example of what I'm talking about is this: It is illegal in my state for me to quote the price of one of my automobiles on a Sunday. If I were to remain open, and try to trade voluntarily with "free" Americans, the state of Missouri has told me they will take away my business license. Since my business is a successful dealership, including 7 acres of commercial land & a 45,000-square-foot building, their action would constitute a multi-million-dollar fine for the "crime" of speaking my mind.
I think you are confusing Private Companies with the gov't. You keep giving the impression that this will create a ruler that won't be liable to his/her mistakes. That's a company, where the ruler is not liable to the people they cover, with the gov't its different, you just have to tell its evils to the newspaper and media and they'll take it from there.
You are right to point out that government won't try to make a profit by improving their quality and efficiency, as relatively-free companies do. Government will run their national health program like they run Amtrack, the USPS, Medicare, Social Security, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac: at substantial losses, passed on from generation to generation. Government's track record of operating businesses is very clear to any rational person. Quality will decline, taxes will increase, losses will mount.
I know there are problems with USPS (Obama even said it) but what's wrong with Medicare and Social Security? It has been pretty successful (they are the reason why my sister and I have health care).
What if you can't GET a contract? The insurance companies currently exercise their choice to cherry-pick their clients, reducing their liabilities to actually pay out on claims. And then they have the right to recision. Believe me, it would be rare to have a recision suit upheld in this country because of the contract laws.
If we HAVE to rely upon the insurance industry, then it's time to force them to behave as honest brokers.
it is interesting that you don't want people to be "forced" to be responsible for their individual health and care, but instead want to force the stockholders of insurance companies to pay money they never agreed to pay.
Interestingly, you'v proven another point: Our current health system requires the stockholders to gain over the health of those buying the product. Therefore, it is the stockholders and those acting for them that have the decision to ration your care - including end of life issues.
Furthermore, the insurance industry collects billions of dollars in subsidies from the government without the accountability required to make sure that EVERYONE has access to affordable care.
..tedpotts: and THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG with "DUH (NON!) FREE MARKET-STYLE HEALTHCARE!
In most civilized countries, government healthcare is a RIGHT--NOT AN OPTION that they can weasel out of.
And THAT'S WHY the national numbers for Amercans' Life Expectancy have declined--for Men, this used to be 79 years of age, and that was BEFORE all the advances in Cardiac HealthCare.
Now guys are lucky to live to 75-76,
EXCEPT for our LEGISLATORS-who voted FOR THEMSELVES--UHC.
Actually, did you know the Beck was FOR HEALTH CARE reform 16 months ago when he was in CNN. He hated our current system (he was a victim of health ins.).
There is no requirement for anyone to use the public option and it will be privately funded.
If you don't like the idea of a government run health care plan you're welcome to find a different, private, plan.
If you don't participate in the public option then it makes no difference -- you won't be paying for it, and it will have no bearing on your relationship with your doctor.
If you oppose attempts at health care reform that's fine, but oppose it on its own merits... don't use scare tactics.
How long do you think private insurance companies, that have to show a profit, can compete against a lower cost plan paid for by the Govt? They can't, and before too long there's nothing left but the Govt plan.
And you say "you won't be paying for it". WTF??? Where do you think the Govt gets its money???
Ha Ha, the bull-shit is really flying all over this one. Our healthcare is run by Wall Street, and we're paying for their growth and million dollar bonuses every year. That's right folks, our jacked-up rates supports their stock price. After all they've done to us, I can't believe you're bending over asking for more. I doubt this comment will stay up very long.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
- 10th Amendment to the US Constitution
National Health-care supporters, Could you please tell me where in US Constitution it is stated that Federal Government has right to run health-care.
btw.
In most of countries with nationalized health-care only veterinary works fine, because it is private and govt doesn't care
Yes, they need to drop the public option. But they also need to drop the individual mandate. In fact, they need to drop the WHOLE THING. The only health care reform we need is to PUSH GOVT OUT OF HEALTH CARE.
And my limey friend, I get great medical coverage too. Most of us do. More importantly, the changes they're proposing won't make anything better and will actively make things WORSE. So please butt out and tend to your own failing country.
Wow, how wrong could they be. I'm in the UK and enjoy excellent state health care. From teenage spots, to back aches, RSI, it's all in and fairly subsidised. Not to mention the fact they looked after my auntie who had Multiple Sclerosis until she passed away excellently. It really is a blessing, to look at it otherwise is an insult to our hardworking medical professionals.
So many in the U.S. are blind idiots, convinced that everything we have or do is better than the rest of the world. The Americans that want to kill health care reform can afford health care and have absolutely no regard for others less fortunate.
where do people get the idea that if the healthcare system is funded by the government there would be some shady bureaucrat agents making decisions?
Darusdei 1 year ago
The guy in the commercial is the insurance company bureaucrat that is wedged between American patients and their physician, and that insurance company bureaucrat, not the physician, makes the medical decisions for the patient based on what's best for the insurance company's bottom line, not what's best for the patient's health and well-being.
murphyj87 1 year ago
Isn't that supposed to resemble your private insurance police that helped you profited from your dying patients in your Columbia HCA fraud business, Mr. Scott
P.S.: and thanks for paying us taxpayers back the record $1.7 billion dollar Medicare/Medicaid fine (biggest recorded medical fraud fine in history), we do need it for reform!
JoseTwitterFan 2 years ago
The insurance companies are seeking SUBSIDIES from state & federal tax dollars to insure the uninsured. This would cost 25% more than any public option with worse results. It would cost 3X as much over a seven year period. That's right 3X as much money coming from the taxpayers right into the pockets of the evil health insurance corporations. More money to the people who should be in prison, not in control of people's health care decisions. We need new criminal laws to put these idiots in jail.
dayglowgreendoor 2 years ago
zaboomafoo25 let's break down the HR 3200 bill and see what were working with.
The below listed link will take you to a video that has info on Gov having direct access to your bank account.
Also in the notes of the video & on my page I have 2 links of websites that breakdown the HR 3200 bill plus answer any questions you might have.
Hope this helps,
Video link below
watch?v=v4NN-kHO2Nk
Or the video is on my page
with some of the break down of
HR 3200 aka (Public Option)
epicstyle28 2 years ago
I just can't understand why people are so lazy to not go and raed HR3200 themselves and not just go by what Obama says, even after he himself has said he has never read it.
Something about it not have any pictures makes it to hard for him to read.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
haha, like your dumbass has the attention span required to read that many words! Thanks for the laugh!
videogeek27 2 years ago
you people don't even listen to what Obama even says, other than the word free. That's all people hear.
Obama wants to cut healthcare cost. Not the cost you pay for healthcare insurance but all of healthcare cost. To do that, he has to cut much of the needed healthcare altogather.
Obama doesn't give a rats ass about anyones healthcare if he cut any cost of healthcare.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
Obama hasn't been using the word free when describing health care reform. It looks like you don't listen to him either. Surprise, surprise, right?
videogeek27 2 years ago 3
Obama has used the word free many of times. He knows there is no better way to get people to stop and listen to as many lies as he can tell as long as he uses the word free. And all he has to do is use it once. Then all the lazy bastards of the nation key of that one word. oh he changes it artoud here or there ny saying you come go to the doctor and not have to pay anything out of pocket. The lie is that your taxed for being on it, no matter how much you make.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
you are wrong...the Obama plan is not going to Drop you...but if you like your Private Plan, nobody forces you to drop it !
zaboomafoo25 2 years ago 2
so you haven't read HR3200, you are just going by what Obama said. he sais a many of things when he was running, now we have find to be all lies.
But according to HR3200 you have no choice. There is a public option. HR3200 gives everyone 5 years or face a 2.2% tax of your income for not signing on.
And if enough people refuse he'll have to change that. You won't even be allowed to buy a loaf of bread if you don't.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
haha...this ad is so wrong...this is what we have right now with Private insurance, a Book keeper stand between you and your doctor , dictating what care they are willing to pay for........the Public Plan is going to be the best deal in town, thats why Private insurances are SOOOO SCARED...haha....
zaboomafoo25 2 years ago
Right now huh. My wifes doctor says, "you're going to need a costly double bypass surgery that can cost in the $100,'s of thousands". so he calls the insurance company and they told him she is covered. the next day he does the surgery, 8 days later she comes home. A week later the bill comes in. It's over $169K, at the bottom it says "PAID IN FULL".
Under Obamacare, she is to old to get anything over $1000. She is what Obama says, "end of life",and not allowed to have that much spent on her.
MrSTANDFORAMERICA 2 years ago
This ad is wrong on two levels:
- Today, we are NOT the ones deciding what's best for us. My insurance company decides what is cheapest for them, and then tells me it's that way or I pay everything on my own.
- The government is not going to come BETWEEN you and your doctor. The government is just going to PAY for the service.
I've had surgery done in France and in the U.S. Believe me, health-care is MUCH better in France. And it is completely free.
mateuszjf 2 years ago
"Government bureaucrats" --saying "No"
to your healthcare? Like the Health Insurance Bureaucrats now do, with their phony "pre-existing condition" BS, re CANCER???
People have said, that the Health Industry "would kill, for just one hour's worth of the profits that they make off the public"...and that's true. These Murderers HAVE killed--they killed an innocent 17-year-old girl called Natalee Sarkisian. Keyword it & look it up: she was up for a liver transplant & the CONS denied.
The
jvaljon1 2 years ago
I'm sick of these insurance companies stealing my money over the past several years and telling me what group of doctors I must see or what procedures they will or won't cover. In addition they waste my money in their marketing campaigns trying to sign up new members.
jiggerinct 2 years ago
Wow! Bad acting AND misinformation all in one 31 second package. I'm truly impressed. And they said we couldn't do it...
ActorMensch 2 years ago
This more accurately shows what the insurance companies do, except the guy with the glasses would just be telling the patient that they're not paying for her treatment because it costs too much.
ProgressiveAction10 2 years ago
By your logic, I suppose since private markets ration other necessities, like groceries and energy, that the government should take over those markets too.
fhimas88888888 2 years ago
Sweden (where I live) is often considered a bad example of a so called "socialist state". The word socialism...regardless of possible thought-up links to the red (ooooh!) means one simple thing for me - caring about your neighbours. Really, is that so god damn bad?
I happily pay taxes as I know that both I and my fellow swedes will benefit from it.
For those of you who are christian (I'm not) the idea of helping other people should be VERY much a par with the teachings of the bible.
gsgsgsgsgsgsgsgs 2 years ago
The problem with your point is that in both systems of government, democracy and socialism, the idea is to care for one's neighbor. The difference is that in a democracy you care for your neighbor of your own accord, in a socialist state you are forced to care for your neighbor and you have no say what kind of care that person will recieve.
sedatedlife18 2 years ago
So tell me, do people in the current system care for their neighbors? Can it be considered to be working? Do people who need help receive it?
I think that the current system is not working. And regarding compulsory vs freedom of choice...the US government already govern many other things. Should the responsibility be transferred to all citizens?
What do you mean by "you have no say what kind of care that person will recieve"? What would need to say about another persons care?
gsgsgsgsgsgsgsgs 2 years ago
Yes people do care for their neighbors, and yes people who need help do recieve it.
The current system isn't working because there's already too much government intervention. The citizens, not the government, should be the ones running this country. They work for US not the other way around. Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are the principles upon which this country was founded.
I think that my neighbor would know better what kind of care I need than the US government.
sedatedlife18 2 years ago
Except private health care is not run by a democracy. it is run by capitalist enterprise, and caring for the sick and needy is not a profitable business. People are already denied coverage or payment for basic needs, and prices are completely out of sync with natural inflation.
reginaldgoldthwaite 2 years ago
Agreed. My health is my concern. Full-stop. We need not a wholesale transfer of medical managed services from the private sector to a public (political burocrat-run) sector whose interests will be swayed by corporate money & where medical services rationing will occur. Rather, we must return medicine to local communities & adopt private medical management services reform & thus return medicine to the sanctity of patient-doctor decision-making & personal rational risk managment options.
statesRcountries 2 years ago
Its a Public Option Plan (According to this BS Advert), so your health care can still be your concern. Full-Stop.
No ones going to stop you purchasing whatever health care you choose... This Ad is a lie, tell President Obama to stop Liars coming between you and your advertising...
philglennon 2 years ago
I'll not debate the baine of adverts.
They're all manipulative.
Long-story-short, my Mom worked 30+ years as a nurse at the VA & she's got no good news to report on government-run healthcare.
As for me, considering the Orwellian statements I've heard from Obama and his minions, the inevitable conclusion must compell us to recall...
1. the potentially cost-effective solution for a healthy Early Retirement /watch?v=edQNjJZFdLU
2. Soylent Green is People! /watch?v=8Sp-VFBbjpE
statesRcountries 2 years ago
It's not patients that want to stop health reform - it's insurance companies, whose activities drive up the cost of care, make it inaccessible to millions of workers and retired folk, and who don't want the game to be over for them. Conservatives for insurance companies, more like.
AdrianGlamorgan 2 years ago
Insurance companies make up about 20% of the resistance to this bill. The other 80% are people who are genuinely concerned about what this bill will do to our economy, or even our system of government.
sedatedlife18 2 years ago
Indeed, where is it written in the federal constitution that states are obliged to accept a federally-run health-care plan (which, by the way, will become the only available healcare afer 20 years or so)?
statesRcountries 2 years ago
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statesRcountries 2 years ago
Please! It's the health insurance underwriters that get between us and our doctors! They have to approve or deny everything we do! What a load of BS!
Bugsy998 2 years ago
Clearly working the rubes here...the game is to hope ppl are too dim to see the godawful INSURANCE bureaucracies for what they are, and the shitty massive-deductible (non)plans out there as highly brutal rationing devices.
"Option"...a public "option"...if the free market is so awesome, great, keep yr priv coverage, then kick back and witness the drubbing.
What's to get exercised about?
At bottom all this blustering plays on righties' basically doubting their own convictions.
terpis 2 years ago
I'm Canadian. A few weeks ago I had hives on my leg. I was concerned...I have food allergies.
Went to to a walk-in clinic to see my favorite doctor...no appointment...10 to 15 minutes..got one willing to see me asap.looked at it..gave me a perscription...10 bucks...follow up appointment.
:-)
redmoonspider 2 years ago 2
The problem with that ad? The goofy guy who's just saying "No"? He works for the insurance companies today.
mikerose0609 2 years ago 6
That is SO TRUE!
623058 2 years ago
I'm Canadian. The government stood between me and my healthcare by enabling me to go to any doctor I want. By ensuring whenever I go to the hospital I don't have to show a credit card or health insurance plan. Once, when I was in a head-on collision, the government stood so much in the way they allowed the doctors to charter an aircraft to make sure I got to the best possible hospital to take care of me. That sick inefficient government.
XFuncCaRteR 2 years ago 6
teddpotts, you illustrate my point: You believe anything the TV ads tell you to believe.
THERE ARE NO GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRATS THAT DENY YOU CARE.
Consequently, we can save 30% of all costs spent on health care that is sucked up by parasitical health insurance companies that only defend their bottom line.
And sure I could sue. But they have an army of lawyers for that. And they can deny care by simply not picking up the phone when I need approval.
mschluper 2 years ago 2
Yeah, we don't need a public option....I'd rather lose my house to pay for hospital bills. Well, that's if I had a home, that was given up to the banks a few months ago. We just need to trust our banks and corporations MORE, not LESS....keep yelling HANDS OFF MY HEALTHCARE :)
iceblock55 2 years ago
The cost of health insurance premiums have risen to a place where having health insurance is unaffordable for many. I am self employed & if my business fails,& I can't continue to pay my premiums, I will not have coverage. Then if I get sick, I will lose everything. A US citizen should not have to lose everything to get medical care. The other common scenairo is if you lose your job & your insurance, then get sick often you can't get coverage because you are considered high risk.
cstimac 2 years ago 3
There is a bureaucrat between your doctor and you right now. Mine is called Health First, what' your called?
Also, what about the millions of people that can't afford it or are denied because of pre-existent conditions? Or are kicked out of it because they get sick.
The only people you are getting with this are idiots, but sadly the great masses are idiots. Big defect in Democracy.
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
Hows the current system working out for you? Where the insurance companies collect premiums and deny benefits. Or deny you coverage from the get go. Pretty good system for the CEO's and Wall Street . Where most of the working public's wages are flat or declining, due to the ever increasing medical insurance premium. Single Payer. Lets get the profit takers out of the equation.
spinknitweave 2 years ago
In Australia we have the option of the Government system or private health care. Everyone has access to treatment and lack of funds is not an impediment.
Callisis1 2 years ago
If the funds are lacking, from whence do they come? Does Australia issue 30-year bonds like the US, obligating the next generation to pay for this generation's (and their generation's) health care costs - as well as their retirement costs, their home-loan subsidies, the losses on their railway transportation, the losses on their postal monopoly, the losses on their national charity programs, the losses on their pay-for-no-work programs, the losses on their pay-for-no-farming programs .....
teddpotts 2 years ago
The funds for this program aren't just lacking, they don't exist. We're already dangerously close to not ever being able to balance our budget or pay off our national debt. If the new healthcare plan gets passed and signed then we will have signed our economic death warrant as a nation. We will continue to slip farther and farther into debt. That is unless we were to raise the average tax rate near that of other countries who run socialized medicine programs... ~70% combined tax
sedatedlife18 2 years ago
There you go. You see, that's an actual issue (unlike all the made up issues people are talking about).
I say raise taxes on Sin taxes (tobacco, beer) and legalized Marijuana and tax it.
If more money is needed, I'm sure our friends the Chinese will help us out
:D
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
The government guy was saying "Hey ya fat broad, do ya think you could lose some lard off that fat ass of yours?!
Go Obama!
blarsen1 2 years ago
Watch out that man with the bow tie is a communist!!!
davejparr 2 years ago
Americans are sooo ignorant. They believe anything they see on TV.
Currenly CIGNA and Aetna bureacrats decide whether we get care. Try get health insurance as an individual and you are screwed. Insurance
companies want to make money, not provide health care.
If I am sick and need health care I am a cost factor. Hence insurance companies want to get rid of me. That's the market.
If only Americans knew what health care people in other countries enjoy. Beck and Limbaugh keep them ignorant.
mschluper 2 years ago 2
"If I am sick and need health care I am a cost factor." That is true, but it is also true if you are in a government-run plan. The main difference is the government has the "right" to initiate physical force against its citizens; insurance companies don't. In addition, you can sue an insurance company if it doesn't provide payments according to your contract. What can you do if a government bureaucrat refuses to cover your transplant?
teddpotts 2 years ago
You can sue Ins. Companies for doing that? Then why doesn't it happen? Or right, they are multi-billion dollars companies. How can the average Joe fight against them?
And what you mean the gov't has right to "initiate physical force against its citizens"? Ever heard of the bill of rights?
And the actual difference between public option and private is that the gov't won't be out there to make a profit (just to serve).
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
There are thousands of lawyers who will take a case against an insurance company, at no up-front cost. All they need is proof the insurance company didn't do what it promised, and they'll take 30-40% of the net proceeds of the lawsuit. There are zero lawyers, though, that will take a case against a government that doesn't do what it promised, since lawsuits are illegal against those in charge of national health insurance.
teddpotts 2 years ago
There are 1000s of lawyers that would do this? Then how come it doesn't happen! Just because a lawyer is willing to do this for free doesn't mean that he will win. The multi-billion dollar company can hire a greater amount for more money and go as far as doing illegal things to win the case.
They have the money, they can make truth whatever they want it to be (and it has happen and keeps happening).
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
Governments initiate force against individual citizens every time they require a person to prove he's innocent, as they do when they regulate businesses. As a business owner, I'm forced to do hundreds of things I would never do, except under the threat of imprisonment and/or property confiscation. That kind of force will come down hard, eventually, on those who "abuse" the national health program, and the definition of "abuse" will change over time, subject to the then-seated czar's whims.
teddpotts 2 years ago
teddpotts - im confused. every citizen is innocent until proven guilty if a crime is leveled against them. Also, what do you mean when you say, "I'm forced to do hundreds of things I would never do, except under the threat of imprisonment". What are you being forced to do?
Bugsy998 2 years ago
One example of what I'm talking about is this: It is illegal in my state for me to quote the price of one of my automobiles on a Sunday. If I were to remain open, and try to trade voluntarily with "free" Americans, the state of Missouri has told me they will take away my business license. Since my business is a successful dealership, including 7 acres of commercial land & a 45,000-square-foot building, their action would constitute a multi-million-dollar fine for the "crime" of speaking my mind.
teddpotts 2 years ago
I think you are confusing Private Companies with the gov't. You keep giving the impression that this will create a ruler that won't be liable to his/her mistakes. That's a company, where the ruler is not liable to the people they cover, with the gov't its different, you just have to tell its evils to the newspaper and media and they'll take it from there.
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
You are right to point out that government won't try to make a profit by improving their quality and efficiency, as relatively-free companies do. Government will run their national health program like they run Amtrack, the USPS, Medicare, Social Security, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac: at substantial losses, passed on from generation to generation. Government's track record of operating businesses is very clear to any rational person. Quality will decline, taxes will increase, losses will mount.
teddpotts 2 years ago
I know there are problems with USPS (Obama even said it) but what's wrong with Medicare and Social Security? It has been pretty successful (they are the reason why my sister and I have health care).
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
What if you can't GET a contract? The insurance companies currently exercise their choice to cherry-pick their clients, reducing their liabilities to actually pay out on claims. And then they have the right to recision. Believe me, it would be rare to have a recision suit upheld in this country because of the contract laws.
If we HAVE to rely upon the insurance industry, then it's time to force them to behave as honest brokers.
ActorMensch 2 years ago
it is interesting that you don't want people to be "forced" to be responsible for their individual health and care, but instead want to force the stockholders of insurance companies to pay money they never agreed to pay.
teddpotts 2 years ago
Interestingly, you'v proven another point: Our current health system requires the stockholders to gain over the health of those buying the product. Therefore, it is the stockholders and those acting for them that have the decision to ration your care - including end of life issues.
Furthermore, the insurance industry collects billions of dollars in subsidies from the government without the accountability required to make sure that EVERYONE has access to affordable care.
I have no sympathy.
ActorMensch 2 years ago
..tedpotts: and THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG with "DUH (NON!) FREE MARKET-STYLE HEALTHCARE!
In most civilized countries, government healthcare is a RIGHT--NOT AN OPTION that they can weasel out of.
And THAT'S WHY the national numbers for Amercans' Life Expectancy have declined--for Men, this used to be 79 years of age, and that was BEFORE all the advances in Cardiac HealthCare.
Now guys are lucky to live to 75-76,
EXCEPT for our LEGISLATORS-who voted FOR THEMSELVES--UHC.
Talk about PIGS...
jvaljon1 2 years ago
Actually, did you know the Beck was FOR HEALTH CARE reform 16 months ago when he was in CNN. He hated our current system (he was a victim of health ins.).
Watch the Daily Show episode 111
HerrBismarck 2 years ago
This happens all the time in Britain. There you are, having a rectal examination, and some 1920s Oxford rowing boat champion gets in the way.
MarxBakuninMe 2 years ago
There is no requirement for anyone to use the public option and it will be privately funded.
If you don't like the idea of a government run health care plan you're welcome to find a different, private, plan.
If you don't participate in the public option then it makes no difference -- you won't be paying for it, and it will have no bearing on your relationship with your doctor.
If you oppose attempts at health care reform that's fine, but oppose it on its own merits... don't use scare tactics.
orstadt 2 years ago 3
orstadt
Are you really that stupid?
How long do you think private insurance companies, that have to show a profit, can compete against a lower cost plan paid for by the Govt? They can't, and before too long there's nothing left but the Govt plan.
And you say "you won't be paying for it". WTF??? Where do you think the Govt gets its money???
You're an idiot.
elgcpa 2 years ago
CPR is run by criminals.
citizenkong 2 years ago
Ha Ha, the bull-shit is really flying all over this one. Our healthcare is run by Wall Street, and we're paying for their growth and million dollar bonuses every year. That's right folks, our jacked-up rates supports their stock price. After all they've done to us, I can't believe you're bending over asking for more. I doubt this comment will stay up very long.
HemiHead66 2 years ago 6
This is absolutely ridiculous, they don't actually convey any message other than "watch out for dem guvurmnt beeurcrats!!"
mrsaturn123 2 years ago 4
If you oppose The Dear Leader's plan, you MUST BE a RACIST!
Craigbe 2 years ago
They should drop the whole thing!
RockTheFacts 2 years ago
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"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
- 10th Amendment to the US Constitution
National Health-care supporters, Could you please tell me where in US Constitution it is stated that Federal Government has right to run health-care.
btw.
In most of countries with nationalized health-care only veterinary works fine, because it is private and govt doesn't care
americanbart 2 years ago
Yes, they need to drop the public option. But they also need to drop the individual mandate. In fact, they need to drop the WHOLE THING. The only health care reform we need is to PUSH GOVT OUT OF HEALTH CARE.
And my limey friend, I get great medical coverage too. Most of us do. More importantly, the changes they're proposing won't make anything better and will actively make things WORSE. So please butt out and tend to your own failing country.
brainiacgames 2 years ago
Most of us do?
Did you see the traveling free clinic in L.A.?
They travel to third world countries. They said the U.S. visit was no different.
citizenkong 2 years ago
Wow, how wrong could they be. I'm in the UK and enjoy excellent state health care. From teenage spots, to back aches, RSI, it's all in and fairly subsidised. Not to mention the fact they looked after my auntie who had Multiple Sclerosis until she passed away excellently. It really is a blessing, to look at it otherwise is an insult to our hardworking medical professionals.
rc55 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this comment.
So many in the U.S. are blind idiots, convinced that everything we have or do is better than the rest of the world. The Americans that want to kill health care reform can afford health care and have absolutely no regard for others less fortunate.
citizenkong 2 years ago
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IDIOTS!
edwardhth711 2 years ago