It's always sad to see anyone join this high control cult, but it especially hurts to see little children, almost babies join this cult. I have personally seen kids as young as NINE years old join. BTW, it is not a real baptism, as they do not baptize in the name of the Holy Spirit as the Bible directs.
@GungHo1032 It is a shame you don't see how this may offend some people, my name is Arnya Lewis and i am thirteen years old, i am a jehovahs Witness and proud. i don't believe it is a 'high control' cult and to me it is a REAL baptism, no one is forced to join they simply grew up in that religion there is a reason we are not baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit, maybe u should research it. x
@Arnisaysrelax - You are a child. When you get older and perhaps learn how to think for yourself, you just might think and feel differently. But it will be too late. You will have joined this cult when you were not much more than a baby, and that "decision" will be held against you. - BTW, the Bible directs that we are to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. - The JW's don't do that....simple as that. It is a fake baptism...you research it.
(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?
Where is the Holy Spirit aka the Holy Ghost mentioned here? Hmmmmmm?
The Society has managed to get newer members to join a worldly club from which their membership can be terminated at any time by the Society (disfellowshipping) while at the same time convincing these newcomers that they have only dedicated themselves to their Creator. Can any actions be more devious?
@Arnisaysrelax - BTW, I noticed when you replied to me that you used capital letters in "Holy Spirit." If you are a Witness, why did you do that?....as they use all lower case such as holy spirit. They do this because they do not see the Spirit as a person...even though it IS a person the Bible says can be grieved, teach and repeat what it hears.
@GirlKurupt Its called defending ones beliefs and standing up for the truth. You obviously dont know the meaning of that, nor do you any beliefs worth defending to this degree.
@Danmera I in fact have NEVER seen the word "victim" of apotasy in any of their literature. This is what I see in those that are apostate fed. So what now?
@Justice4vr That's how good mind control works...you the ideas are yours, yet use the same turn of phrase or same word for word, etc, that is in the talks and literature. I know I used to be exactly the same.
@Danmera youre actually doing it right now. You are just speaking the ideas of a bunch of apostates right now. Youre right thats how mind control works. See?
@Justice4vr Read up a little on mind control. You will see it for yourself. There are many books and websites that only discuss the how of it, and not the who. So you can research and still avoid anything anti-WT. Please, do it for yourself.
@Justice4vr You're right, the anti-apostate propaganda is strong in you. I understand, you have to dismiss me, it's what you are trained to do. Plus I remember the fear, I was afraid too. It's ok, I don't take it personally, I was under WT control myself once, I really do understand. I do encourage you to keep watching these vids, and check out what we say, we have nothing to hide.
@Danmera Danmera, when will you speak in a mature way. I stated that I believe and have experienced the fact that people are victims of apostates but you want to go ahead and play this "mind control" game. Stop the games ok? Believe me when I tell you, ive seen it first hand or else there is no reason speaking with someone that doesnt take things seriously.
@Justice4vr I don't know how much more mature you wish me to speak. I suggested not to take my word for it, but to check it out yourself. I suggest to look at evidence other than just my word, and you accuse me of playing games. You want to believe the WT instead, ok, what else should I do? Stomp my feet, call you names?
@Danmera you come on here stating Im being mind controlled for saying something the WT has said. I tell you, I did not hear the WT say that, though Im sure they have, Ive actually experienced it before my very eyes and instead of taking my word for it, you play this "your being mind controlled game".
@Justice4vr I take this very seriously, this is not a game. I am not even asking you to believe me. I am only asking you to check it out for yourself, you're right, that's sooo terrible of me. Why do you even keep talking to me? I'm an immature evil apostate in your book right? Why?
@Danmera I gave you my time Danmera because you were willing to reason before, now youre just playing games. If I tell you I have witnessed something PERSONALLY, and you downplay me as being "mind controlled", do you think Im going to keep talking to you? Do you?
@Justice4vr We did have a nice conversation, I still remember how it started as well, nice little name you called me. Yet I am still the immature one.
Please, again, don't take my word for it, look into yourself. Get honest with yourself. You can think any old bad thing about me you want, just please, check out some of this stuff yourself. You will see, we really are on your side.
Let me get this straight. God is going to purge the earth of some 6-7 billion people and some corporation called Watchtower & its brainwashed followers will survive and live forever, on earth? GOD is going to do this?
what I want you to answer justice is this.......and when you can't ...all watching will know you are following men
ready?
show everyone on here the scriptural proof that jesus chose your organisation out of all religions to be his faithful and discreet slave in the year 1918/19
scriptural proof....not watchtower proofs
this is the most important teaching to JW's ....because if jesus didn't choose them back then.....who gave them the authority?
@Z4kYb0I Basically what you are doing is asking me a question regarding 1918. What you should have done before making a complete fool of yourself, was post a source and correct that source by your own research. Thats the proper way of "slapping me with truth" not just SAYING its wrong. Then you have to state WHO in reality is the SLAVE in your opinion (slapping me with truth) and why YOU are correct biblically. Show scriptural proofs.... or CAN'T YOU?
it's as simple as this....your organisation has made the claim that they were chosen in 1918/19
On inspecting the remnant of his anointed disciples in the year 1919 C.E., the reigning King Jesus Christ did find the appointed slave faithful and discreet in the feeding of his domestics. Accordingly, he appointed this slave class over all his belongings." Gods Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached pp.350,355
@Z4kYb0I Slap me with truth, not a question, UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE?. When it comes to 1918/19, I dont know about that. I havent looked into it. But what I have looked at is Jesus words and indications and the fruit of this slave and that is why I believe they are THE slave. Look at the big picture next time because you apostates tend to look FOR the cracks and miss the train. You on the other hand have not provided an answer as to who the slave IS. Will you? if not, shhhhhhh!
checkmate.......he doesn't answer one tiny ....teeeny weensy...little thing......he hasn't looked into his organisations history......that they believed that jehovah lived on a star called alcyone and 1799 was the beginning of the time of the end........then 1874
yet he believes that these guys are directing them to come to your doors because he "believes" they are the slave......no proofs though..........who made them the slave in 1919?.......scriptural proof please!
@Z4kYb0I Dude, who are you talking to? The viewers? lol I dont know all thousands of details of JWs. Now can you tell me, scripturally speaking who are those in Matt 28:19,20 today? And while youre at it without avoiding the question I ask you, who IS the slave? answer please.
you see.....I don't have to prove anything to you.....your organisation made the claim.....now back it up....I've made no claim except to show you they said they were chosen by jesus in 1918/19 has no scriptural backing....nil,nada zilch....can you prove otherwise?
still waiting for proof......(of which there is none....it's a lie that jesus picked them almost 100 years ago)
I was baptized in 1972 and I gave NO VOW to a Billion Dollar Publishing Company, because the question was not asked. People can be so STUPID and Gullible. Start using COMMON SENSE and LOGIC people and STOP putting mere imperfect MAN who grows old and DIES on the same LEVEL as THE CREATOR JEHOVAH GOD. GET REAL PEOPLE, JEHOVAH GOD DOES NOT SPEAK TO ANYONE ON THIS PLANET NOR DOES HE SEND ANGELS TO COMMUNICATE WITH ANY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET. Put your TRUST in GOD not man and let man be prove a liar.
This evil practice was started in 1984 when they had a total upheaval and purge at the Watchtower Society. So, for over a hundred years this Baptism vow to a Billion Dollar Publishing Company was not practiced. This has been in practice for the last 27 years so the Watchtower Society can have total control over a persons life. Did God say they were spirit directed? NO! Did they have visions or dreams saying they were spirit directed? NO! Did angels from Jehovah say they were spirit directed?No!
@Brotherfireball1988 where in the bible does it say that one must be baptised into an organisation - especially one that has taught false prophesy ie that armegeddon would be in 1975? deut clearly states that if anyone teaches false doctrine, that his words have not been inspired by Jehovah
are you kidding me wheres the snare and the racket at????if you listen carefully you will see it is actually scriptural,of course in order to know if its scriptural you have to know the scriptures....OF COURSE...you try to look for a reason to break down others beliefs but you forget about what Jesus said about before you worry about whats in someone elses eye to first clean yours out..also instead of harshly judging others Jesus wanted love and compassion Mercy.....its Gods Job to judge
@MrSoulfulmind Perhaps you will be kind enough to cite the scripture that shows someone was or is baptized in the name of a "spirit directed organization" so that people seeing this will be assured that it is really scriptural.
@KurtBethel PROOF: Jesus taught us to follow his example, study his every teaching=Matthew 28:20,John 17:3.TRUE DISCIPLES follow his example, teaching others and making disiples=Matthew 4:17, 5:5, 6:9,10, chapter 10, 24:14, 28:19,20. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones teaching God's name, making it known, and preaching GOD'S KINGDOM is coming! Acts 1;8, 5:42, 8:4, 13:21,49, 14:3,15,21, 20:20-25, Romans 10:10-17, John 3:16, 17:3. 1 Corinthians 2:10,16, 4:6 use the bible :D LIKE JW'S DO!!
@KurtBethel you stupid apostate, they are not being baptized in the the name of a "spirit directed organization". If you know how to listen and get the garbage out of your head, youll notice the elder saying "your dedication and baptism IDENTIFY YOU as... in association with..". These 2 questions have nothing to do with Matt 28:19,20. Baptism in the name of Father, Son and HS is done in spirit not with your lips. Your stupidity and many like you are the cause of Violence against our people.
@Justice4vr You are a slanderer and a liar, so evidently you are of the people of the original Slanderer and Liar. You have presented evidence here in full view of the public that you are one of his people. You have unmasked yourself for all to see.
@KurtBethel PART 1. Oh I see, so your reasoning is that if a man makes a mistake, such as slander in this case, that man is of the people of Satan? How stupid is that? Read Romans 3:23 and learn something please. By your reasoning, every man is of the people of Satan. Dude, please... read your bible.
@Justice4vr You are being crafty again. Willful slander is not a "mistake". If you have proof of your claims that I am an apostate and advocate violence against any people, bring it forth now. If you do not have proof, and you let the slander stand while claiming to be a JW, then you are bringing reproach on Jehovah's name and organization.
@KurtBethel You are either apostate or apostate-fed, their tool. You are a victim, thats the bottom line. "advocate violence", did I say that you liar? I used the word "incite" you wicked fool. You videos cause other people to hate us, look it up on youtube, type JWs bulgaria beaten and see all the stupid twisted lies the attackers used as justification. Lies like the garbage your videos puts forth. "WE BAPTISE IN THE NAME OF... an organization", thats what you said. Youre a liar!
@Justice4vr I am confused. My video has an audio recording of a JW baptism and I did not alter it in any way, so if it contains a lie then it would be the JW speaker who lied. Getting back to your claim that I incited violence, I need the name of the person who was injured, the name of the attacker, and details of the incident. Then I need you to tell me how the attacker was incited by me. After you provide this, I want to contact the victim to apologize and make restitution. Thanks.
@Justice4vr I could change the subject to quoting and analyzing the audio if you wish. First I really need for you to help me out with understanding who was a victim of violence caused by someone who watched the video. That is a serious matter if it is true, and I feel it needs to be addressed before parsing the meaning of words in the audio. You brought this up first, so we can resolve it first. Who was the victim of violence? Their name, please?
@KurtBethel Trying to act like you care about the violent effects of your video only to avoid the point OF THE VIDEO. Stupid apostates and their victims are always focused on everything other than the point. Youve proven yourself a liar many times with your comments putting words in my mouth such as "advocating violence" and "baptized in the name of an organization". LIAR!
@Justice4vr Okay, I get it. You do not have the name of someone who I caused violence to, because it did not happen. You made it up. I asked you three times and you are still unable to prove your accusations. You also did not explain what evidence you have that I turned away from my religion. You are like a dry well. It would be best if you stay off the internet so your parents or elders do not find out what you are doing. Thanks for showing true Christian love. Goodbye.
@KurtBethel I suppose know youll have debate with me regarding my spelling, or grammar or using this word instead that word or whatever you can catch that has nothing to do with the point.
@Justice4vr You are just repeating your accusations of me. Even if you get more vicious with your accusations, they are still not evidence. Please provide the name of the apostate that is feeding me, or some verifiable evidence that I became apostate from my religion. JWs claim to be preaching the good news of God's kingdom to all the nations. Do you really think it is a good witness to be slandering innocent people and then claim to be preaching? I am starting to doubt you are a JW.
@Justice4vr I have never caused violence against any people, nor have I directed anyone else to be violent. Even though you don't identify who the "our people" are, I have not caused or directed violence to any people, so that claim is a slanderous lie. Of what sort of people are you? Since you don't say, I must examine the evidence you have presented to me.
@KurtBethel PART 2. our people, JWs. Is that difficult for you to grasp? And yes, by setting up all these strawman arguments, you cause others to doubt and hate. Yes our people have suffered violence because people just like you, spread these twisted misrepresentations of our people. You people should be ashamed of the effects of your actions.
@Justice4vr Hmmmm. I wonder if the Watchtower is responsible for violence since they call those who choose to leave "mentally diseased". Oh and what about that WT article that compares elders to Jehu, who "slaughtered" apostates. Yeah, WT should truly be ashamed for such hateful rhetoric. The WT tells it's people to look forward and celebrate the coming slaughter of every man, woman, child, baby and fetus on the face of the earth---uhm except them. Our deliverance is NEAR--blood will flow.
@CallHeadquarters I agree with the WT that apostates are mentally diseased, not because the WT says it, but because Ive seen it first hand. Any person that gets slapped with clear truth and yet doesnt see it is mentally diseased. Any person that hates is MENTALLY DISEASED. "hateful rhetoric"? Another idiot. Its against the bibles teaching to hate. If I say youre crazy, its not because I hate you, its because that is what is observed by me. We look forward for EVIL to end you defamer.
@Z4kYb0I its funny youre trying to slap me with clear truth that Jesus didnt choose the slave in 1918/19 how? By saying he didnt? lol what the heck? You didnt provide any sources or verses or even ideas. You just said he "didnt" and thats all you gave me and you "slapped me with clear truth"? whats "clear" about "didnt choose"? please try again. You gotta show us WHY he didnt and WHY you believe this to be so, otherwise you come out looking like a fool in front of the "people watching".
@Justice4vrYour world is quite black and white Justice. Do you know what it looks like to observers when you claim that everyone that disagrees with you is mentally diseased? Good, because it stands as a warning to any who would open the door to you. Readers see inside the JW mind that is hidden behind the plastic smile at your door, THIS is the reality behind the act. They rip families apart, forbidding any contact with ex-members: children, parents, grandchildren, friends. no love.
@CallHeadquarters You see what you just did there? You are such and idiot! "everyone" that disagrees with me? We're talking about apostates right? You brought that up. You KNOW we are talking about apostates and now you say that I claim that "everyone" who disagrees with me is mentally diseased? Dude... wow....idiot. "For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law." Matt 10:35
@Justice4vr You do a very good job of causing people to react by your very bizarre &controlling practices. Your people will shun relatives who were never baptized. They will shun children who are baptized, causing some to commit suicide. You almost outright ban higher education so that most of you end up in miserable jobs and broke with deep regrets over squandered youth. I have seen many more lives ruined by your policies than helped.
@EmpressOfWyoming58 "Your people will shun relatives who were never baptized" If someone rejects YOUR God who is your whole world, and in fact work against your God, you wouldnt "shun" them? "You almost outright ban higher education so that most of you end up in miserable jobs and broke with deep regrets over squandered youth" Is this not a bible teaching?
@Justice4vr My nephew died of a broken heart last year. He was not baptized, yet his parents decided to launch a series of e-mail attacks on him telling him was like the walking dead to them. They were so angry that he he did not want to study that they vowed never speak to him again, not even if one of them was dying. They beat him over the head with kind of attack his entire adult life. He was 42. Because of this bizarre treatment of theirs & this man's death, several have left "your people."
@EmpressOfWyoming58 First of all, dont talk about your nephews situtation like you know all the details. Secondly, its stupid to leave a group for the actions of a couple of people. Heres a question for you, if your friends said they like you, but want nothing to do with your.... son or daughter (the most important people to a parent), how would you feel towards that person? Jesus said we must love him MORE than our immediate family.
@Justice4vr You only stated it explicitly in this post. I don't assume things about people I don't know. I am convinced your claim to be a JW is true, except for one thing. Your religious leaders have told you to avoid dangers on the internet, and especially to avoid apostate messages and forums, and not debate on them. If you seriously think I am an apostate and my video is apostate, then you are being disobedient to your religious leaders, and by extension, disobedient to Jehovah.
@KurtBethel "Your religious leaders have told you to avoid dangers on the internet, and especially to avoid apostate messages and forums"
"If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2 John 10,11
@Justice4vr I am not sure how this is proof that I am an apostate and that I cause violence. Please provide that proof, or admit that you lied about me. Whichever you prefer.
@Justice4vr Calling me a liar for a purported weak defense of my video is not proof that I am an apostate. It is a crafty evasion of answering for proof of your accusations. You have failed to provide the name of even one victim of my video. I am dismissing your accusation right now for lack of evidence. I thank you for providing an example for all to see what one of your people are capable of. Thanks again, Kurt
@KurtBethel "You have failed to provide the name of even one victim of my video. I am dismissing your accusation right now for lack of evidence" Oh now I have to provide a name for you? Youre in idiot apostate-fed scum. You are so stupid youre missing the point trying to sound all smart with your ignorant wording. "dismissing", "lack of evidence" what an idiot. Google JWs beaten in bulgaria and youll see their bloody faces, I dont have their names.
@Justice4vr No, you don't have to provide a name of a violence victim I have harmed. There is none. You have no evidence of what you have accused me of, no names, nothing. It didn't happen. You made it all up. I want to thank you for your efforts in giving witness to how honest, loving and intelligent a Witness of Jehovah is. You are a fine example of how a Watchtower education can help someone. Your fine witness is done here. Thanks again, and goodbye.
@Justice4vr Okay, so we have you slandering me in public. I am not an apostate. Your claim I am stupid is merely an opinion so I will not count that as slander. You cite no scripture that supports baptism into an organization,? or association with an organization, or in the name of an organization, or whatever crafty way you want to word it. None at all. Then you slander me again, claiming that my alleged stupidity causes violence against "our people".
@KurtBethel PART 3. "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization"
ESSENTIALLY:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as (TRUE) CHRISTIANS in association with THE CONGREGATION"
Do you really need a verse for something so obvious? You need a verse stating how baptism makes you part of the congregation?
@Justice4vr That is really sly of you to substitute a local group of people, the CONGREGATION, for the multinational CORPORATION that the Watchtower organization is, and then mention a verse about it.
@KurtBethel A congregation local or worldwide is an organization. It has parts just like a body and all work together for a purpose, why do you complicate your understanding? That "corporation" as you call it is run by the congregation. The WT is a printing institution, so our brothers are not in association with a printing institution but with the whole of the congregation.
@Justice4vr Interesting take on how the organization is run. Thanks for sharing. Now, there is the matter of the proof you have that I am an apostate and that I cause violence. As in, where is that proof?
@KurtBethel Proof? This isnt a court of law. People hate us based on twisted information like the content of you video. People will mock JWs for "baptizing in the name" of an organization as you stated EVEN WHEN THATS NOT WHAT WE DO. It will contribute to the persons doubts along with all the other garbage and spring hate, hate will in turn cause violence towards us. Its called the butterfly effect. Just like Satan, you lie and cause damage.
@Justice4vr You are right. It is not a court of law. If it were, the judge would have thrown you out because your case has a total lack of evidence. Case dismissed!
@Justice4vr um... you are the one Name calling and Judging. isn't that god's place not your place, right? and you are the one that sounds Violent. just saying...
@thegodthatwasntthere name calling? Is calling someone stupid "name calling", when did a description become "name calling"? Where did I judge? show me. Im upset, not violent, theres a difference. dude cmon with this stupidity.
@Justice4vr Yes calling someone stupid is name calling and you must be retarded not to know that. see by me saying "you must be retarded" i was making a assumption. if i had said "you are retarded" that would be name calling. you said "you stupid apostate", calling him a name. saying his head had garbage in it and that he was stupid, also Judging. while I'm "Judging" you and Assuming you are slow in the brain. very unchrist like... but i I'm not a Christan... so no harm no foul.
@Justice4vr My goodness--shame on you for talking to apostates. The Watchtower forbid you to speak to us. And shame on you for calling strangers stupid. Well, I guess in light of the recent Watchtower that calls those who choose to leave "mentally diseased" we shouldn't be surprised that folllowers react this way. This is the fruitage of their hateful teachings. Don't tell the elders you've been here, they will cut you off from friends, family and all you love. Shhhhhh.
@CallHeadquarters "My goodness--shame on you for talking to apostates".. oh you got me, NOT! What do you care you, you turned your back on Jehovah, WHAT DO YOU CARE?? "Don't tell the elders you've been here, they will cut you off from friends", stupidity at it again. The elders have no right to do so unless you are spreading false teachings. The bible says not to even greet apostates, so stop blaming us, blame God yes show God how youre much more righteous than him..
@Justice4vr You try voicing even the smallest doubt about this organization's teachings. You'll find out quickly that your baptism was in reality to this organization. They'll kick your backside so far to the curb you will be sitting with bluebirds and stars circling your head, wondering who the heck you are. The poster of this video isn't inciting violence. Violence? Probably from someone's anger over this organization's cold distruction of families, & children dying from the blood policies.
@EmpressOfWyoming58 "You'll find out quickly that your baptism was in reality to this organization" lol you have no idea who youre speaking to. I never said this video itself is inciting violence. I said people that make these twisted videos are inciting violence towards our people. Pay attention. If you dont believe in God and his scriptures dont even bother talking to me.
@MrSoulfulmind Actually, it is not Scriptural. Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit ...." The Watchtower question replaces Holy Spirit with Organisation when it says "in association with God's God's spirit-directed organization? "
This is a mockery of the solomn act! When a cult preaches that Christ our God i only the archangel Michael (JW's) or that He is th brother of Satan (Mormons), they are not saved!
This is not Biblical salvation. Salvation is not being dedicated to Christ. It is to believe that Christ paid it all at the cross. Eternal life is a free gift. Romans 6:23. John 4:10. it is received by faith alone in Christ alone. Ephesians 2:8-9. This is a cult and offers no salvation. Read John 3:16. That will tell you how to be saved.
There are only two ways any human can serve God. You can serve Him as a servant, and work for wages or the hope of reward. Or, you can serve Him as His child, in absolute love without fear. Jesus made the later possible.
ya'll saying your 2 pence worth now, but reality is ya'll gunna die. Every religion teaches that if you belive diferent you die. So basically at Armageddon ya'll D E D, dead. Say what ya like half wits
the first question say's it all " ... to do Gods(jehovah) word..." and they are baptized in the father the son and the holy spirit and there was no baptism going on while the question was asked now was there? and they said do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah witnesses in association with Gods spirit- directed organization" ... it didn't say you are baptized in the organization its say it will identify you as being part of the organization it's ENG
Despite the apparent attempts of this individual to portray the Witneses as cultic, these beautiful dedication and baptismal vows announced before the congregation are always moving! :-)
As for the scripture of going door-to-door. The Jehovah's Witnesses have it wrong. People invited Jesus to their house to eat and listen to him. This wasn't a door-to-door ministry. Read Luke 10:7 ... "And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house." Do you get that? They stayed at ONE HOUSE as their guest - not just to knock on their door and give people a Watchtower or Awake magazine.
As an ex-JW, yes, it's true. The baptism oath identifies you as a Jehovah's Witness ... not a Christian. You are associated with the "spirit-directed" Watchtower. You dedicate yourself to an man-made organization. I encourage anyone interested in becoming a Jehovah's Witness to research very thoroughly the history of this cult.
no they dont. jws get baptized whenever they want, im 18 n not yet baptized, u get baptized when u are ready. but before u get baptized you have to go infront of the elders n they ask u questions to see if u are qualifed for baptizm... u have to have a basic knowledge of the bibl, jesus n have love for jehovah god, tht wud be im possible for a baby.
Your evidence of that is? Seems like he admonished the disciples to stay put in some circumstances.
(Luke 10:6-7)
"And if a son of peace is there, your peace shall rest on it. If not, it shall return to you,
7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking the things shared by them; for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Do not move from house to house."
please understand that much of the "house to house" preaching was meeting at various Christian's houses for fellowship. This was done rather than just going to random unconverted "householders". Please show me in scripture where one HAS TO go "door knocking" to preach the Kingdom of God.
I have never seen anyone clain that a JW knocks on a door and says.."Im sorry but your religion is crap!".... So I have no idea what you are talking about or if you are confused by what you saw somewhere else. I have personally seen and heard JWs claim that their religion is the ONLY true one and that all others are false. That has the same meaning as telling someone their religion is crap, but with perhaps a little more diplomacy. I have never seen a JW actually prove their religion is true.
@mistiqflower JWs don't swear. But it's absolutely crystal clear they think every religion but theirs is "crap". They have no respect for any other - what they call "false" - religion. Of course JWs are the ones saying everyone else is "wrong". What do you think their claim of being the ONLY true religion actually means?
Jesus preached pretty much everywhere he went, right? I'm not too sure about my man Jesus, but he did get his homies to go house to house. Of that I am certain.
Acts 5:42 -And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus. -NWT
The NIV translates,
Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. -NIV
The scripture I am looking for is the one where Jesus went door to door just as the Jehovah's Witnesses do today, since many JWs have made the claim that Jesus did exactly that.
Acts 2:46 uses the same phrase as Acts 5:42. Did the early church eat all their meals door to door also like a progressive meal? Or does the sense "in private homes" and not necessarily in consecutive homes convey the meaning?
Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.
Exactly the point this video is making...we should be baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit and not in the name of a Spirit-directed organization. That's unbiblical!
But nobody was baptised in the name of an organization.
He's basically saying "Do you understand that when you're baptised this will confirm you as a Witness in association with God's spirit-directed organization.
There's a difference between what you said and what he said.
In Christian baptism they baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Do Jehovah's Witnesses do that, or do they put an organization in between the individual and the Holy Spirit? And like Peter tells us in Acts 2:38 we can know that we will receive the Holy Spirit via repentance and baptism.
Again, do Jehovah's Witnesses baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, or do they leave the Holy Spirit out and only mention it in connection with the organization during baptisms?
Again? You change your point each time I respond. You're now onto something different, BUT anyway listen to " 0:29 - 0:34 ". You obviously have fecal matter stuck between your brain and your ears at this point.
It dosent matter what demonination you are. People who think they are doing right by god are actually doing wrong when they are bashing ohter people. What makes you think that you are better than anyone else when all you can do is attempt to discredit others?
When that religion is clearly deceptive in its fluctuating doctrine? When they have made claims to be Gods sole channel of communication to mankind, and have been WRONG? When new light conveniently comes regarding the term generation and 1914??? Absolutely, that religion opens itself up to such criticism.
your juding dude dont judge or thy will be judged if you think this is a cult than give me a reason why its a cult? i have had alot of disscusions with people i want to be baptized as a JW because its what i belive they teach is the closest to the truth now you will belive what you want to belive i wont ever judge you on it but dont go around judging something that some people hold so dearly your being a dick!! also god will not dismiss someone thats trying to do his will even if they might have
that god will forgive because you love your son or father ect.. to much to not do it i dont agree people should be disfellowshipped because of it. Gods strongest trait is love and will not go down so hard on the people he loves we are inperfect but i agree that we must do are best to live a life according to how jesus did as much as we can it makes your soul light and makes you happy,im sorry if this is to long lol!!
flaws in some of there teachings they are trying to do there best to please God no matter what i belive that maybe no religion is perfect evry religion thinks they are the right one look i dont just think that JWs will be saved at armaggedon but i still belive they do good things and try to live there lives according to the will of the Almighty god the creator of the universe also i dont agree that if someone you hold dearly are dying and they need blood you shouldnt let them take it its
Here's a Watchtower quote for nishaboston and MistahDjAj.
(1963 Watchtower Nov. 11th pg. 688)
"It is not a form of religious persecution for anyone to say and to show that another religion is false. It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion." Continued...
", But in order to make the exposure and show the wrong religions to be false, the true worshiper will have to use an authoritative means of judgment, a rule of measurement that cannot be proved faulty. To make a public exposure of false religion is certainly of more value than exposing a news report as being untrue; it is a public service instead of a religious persecution and it has to do with the eternal life and happiness of the public. Still it leaves the public free to choose."
Really, what a silly cult. You can find it in their own crappy magazines, baptism is in the name of the organization. These are not Christians. They do not follow the bible, they follow false prophets in Brooklyn. You gotta feel sorry for people who are unstable enough to believe in this cult. Seriously, they go directly against the bible, that should be the first clue they are full of crap.Numbers are down, except in 3rd world countries.. That speaks volumes.
I did not hear the phrase "i baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and God's Spirit-directed organization". People just try to find anything they can to tear down God's people. Well, the Lord Jesus dis say, "if they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." True Christians that is.
It's always sad to see anyone join this high control cult, but it especially hurts to see little children, almost babies join this cult. I have personally seen kids as young as NINE years old join. BTW, it is not a real baptism, as they do not baptize in the name of the Holy Spirit as the Bible directs.
GungHo1032 2 weeks ago
@GungHo1032 It is a shame you don't see how this may offend some people, my name is Arnya Lewis and i am thirteen years old, i am a jehovahs Witness and proud. i don't believe it is a 'high control' cult and to me it is a REAL baptism, no one is forced to join they simply grew up in that religion there is a reason we are not baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit, maybe u should research it. x
Arnisaysrelax 5 days ago
@Arnisaysrelax - You are a child. When you get older and perhaps learn how to think for yourself, you just might think and feel differently. But it will be too late. You will have joined this cult when you were not much more than a baby, and that "decision" will be held against you. - BTW, the Bible directs that we are to be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. - The JW's don't do that....simple as that. It is a fake baptism...you research it.
GungHo1032 5 days ago
(1) On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
(2) Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?
Where is the Holy Spirit aka the Holy Ghost mentioned here? Hmmmmmm?
GungHo1032 5 days ago
The Society has managed to get newer members to join a worldly club from which their membership can be terminated at any time by the Society (disfellowshipping) while at the same time convincing these newcomers that they have only dedicated themselves to their Creator. Can any actions be more devious?
GungHo1032 5 days ago
@Arnisaysrelax - BTW, I noticed when you replied to me that you used capital letters in "Holy Spirit." If you are a Witness, why did you do that?....as they use all lower case such as holy spirit. They do this because they do not see the Spirit as a person...even though it IS a person the Bible says can be grieved, teach and repeat what it hears.
GungHo1032 5 days ago
@Justice4vr I am at peace with my beliefs. Are you? Your excessive posturing on these comments say otherwise.
GirlKurupt 1 month ago
@GirlKurupt Its called defending ones beliefs and standing up for the truth. You obviously dont know the meaning of that, nor do you any beliefs worth defending to this degree.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
I see he uses "victim" of apostasy, right out of the DC convention talk, directly out of the WT propaganda.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera I in fact have NEVER seen the word "victim" of apotasy in any of their literature. This is what I see in those that are apostate fed. So what now?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr neither have I "heard it" which I dont doubt was said. But my point is that I am the one who perceives this, no one has told me this.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr That's how good mind control works...you the ideas are yours, yet use the same turn of phrase or same word for word, etc, that is in the talks and literature. I know I used to be exactly the same.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera youre actually doing it right now. You are just speaking the ideas of a bunch of apostates right now. Youre right thats how mind control works. See?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Read up a little on mind control. You will see it for yourself. There are many books and websites that only discuss the how of it, and not the who. So you can research and still avoid anything anti-WT. Please, do it for yourself.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera Why should I listen to you, youre obviously still a slave to the apostate mind control.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You're right, the anti-apostate propaganda is strong in you. I understand, you have to dismiss me, it's what you are trained to do. Plus I remember the fear, I was afraid too. It's ok, I don't take it personally, I was under WT control myself once, I really do understand. I do encourage you to keep watching these vids, and check out what we say, we have nothing to hide.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera Danmera, when will you speak in a mature way. I stated that I believe and have experienced the fact that people are victims of apostates but you want to go ahead and play this "mind control" game. Stop the games ok? Believe me when I tell you, ive seen it first hand or else there is no reason speaking with someone that doesnt take things seriously.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I don't know how much more mature you wish me to speak. I suggested not to take my word for it, but to check it out yourself. I suggest to look at evidence other than just my word, and you accuse me of playing games. You want to believe the WT instead, ok, what else should I do? Stomp my feet, call you names?
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera you come on here stating Im being mind controlled for saying something the WT has said. I tell you, I did not hear the WT say that, though Im sure they have, Ive actually experienced it before my very eyes and instead of taking my word for it, you play this "your being mind controlled game".
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I take this very seriously, this is not a game. I am not even asking you to believe me. I am only asking you to check it out for yourself, you're right, that's sooo terrible of me. Why do you even keep talking to me? I'm an immature evil apostate in your book right? Why?
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera I gave you my time Danmera because you were willing to reason before, now youre just playing games. If I tell you I have witnessed something PERSONALLY, and you downplay me as being "mind controlled", do you think Im going to keep talking to you? Do you?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr We did have a nice conversation, I still remember how it started as well, nice little name you called me. Yet I am still the immature one.
Please, again, don't take my word for it, look into yourself. Get honest with yourself. You can think any old bad thing about me you want, just please, check out some of this stuff yourself. You will see, we really are on your side.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera did you forget my apology? You held it against me. I cant believe you did that Danmera. Whatever.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You are right, you did apologize. I'm sorry.
Danmera 1 month ago
@Danmera Its cool.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
we were all mind controlled too ....we just woke up to it.....I hope you do too.....you will be amazed at what you swallowed as truth
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Perhaps, but you HAVE heard it, if you go to meetings and assemblies. It was in the DC just this year even.
Danmera 1 month ago
Let me get this straight. God is going to purge the earth of some 6-7 billion people and some corporation called Watchtower & its brainwashed followers will survive and live forever, on earth? GOD is going to do this?
GirlKurupt 1 month ago
@GirlKurupt What do you care, you dont believe in God.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
where are all these gutless worms coming. just sayin'
jwawesome1 1 month ago
itsacult
jwawesome1 1 month ago
what I want you to answer justice is this.......and when you can't ...all watching will know you are following men
ready?
show everyone on here the scriptural proof that jesus chose your organisation out of all religions to be his faithful and discreet slave in the year 1918/19
scriptural proof....not watchtower proofs
this is the most important teaching to JW's ....because if jesus didn't choose them back then.....who gave them the authority?
answer.....their own deluded selves
prove it
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Z4kYb0I Basically what you are doing is asking me a question regarding 1918. What you should have done before making a complete fool of yourself, was post a source and correct that source by your own research. Thats the proper way of "slapping me with truth" not just SAYING its wrong. Then you have to state WHO in reality is the SLAVE in your opinion (slapping me with truth) and why YOU are correct biblically. Show scriptural proofs.... or CAN'T YOU?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
firstly.... people on the side notice ....he answered nothing about what I asked
if it was the truth....he could swipe me aside with proper answers....notice the deflection
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
it's as simple as this....your organisation has made the claim that they were chosen in 1918/19
On inspecting the remnant of his anointed disciples in the year 1919 C.E., the reigning King Jesus Christ did find the appointed slave faithful and discreet in the feeding of his domestics. Accordingly, he appointed this slave class over all his belongings." Gods Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached pp.350,355
the burden of proof is on you ...prove it
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
so it's pretty simple...show the scriptures to prove the claims ....otherwise....run along
you know and I know that they have no proof for that claim.....they are deluded
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Z4kYb0I Slap me with truth, not a question, UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE?. When it comes to 1918/19, I dont know about that. I havent looked into it. But what I have looked at is Jesus words and indications and the fruit of this slave and that is why I believe they are THE slave. Look at the big picture next time because you apostates tend to look FOR the cracks and miss the train. You on the other hand have not provided an answer as to who the slave IS. Will you? if not, shhhhhhh!
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
checkmate.......he doesn't answer one tiny ....teeeny weensy...little thing......he hasn't looked into his organisations history......that they believed that jehovah lived on a star called alcyone and 1799 was the beginning of the time of the end........then 1874
yet he believes that these guys are directing them to come to your doors because he "believes" they are the slave......no proofs though..........who made them the slave in 1919?.......scriptural proof please!
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Z4kYb0I Dude, who are you talking to? The viewers? lol I dont know all thousands of details of JWs. Now can you tell me, scripturally speaking who are those in Matt 28:19,20 today? And while youre at it without avoiding the question I ask you, who IS the slave? answer please.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
you see.....I don't have to prove anything to you.....your organisation made the claim.....now back it up....I've made no claim except to show you they said they were chosen by jesus in 1918/19 has no scriptural backing....nil,nada zilch....can you prove otherwise?
still waiting for proof......(of which there is none....it's a lie that jesus picked them almost 100 years ago)
and that is a truth
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
itsacult
jwawesome1 1 month ago
I was baptized in 1972 and I gave NO VOW to a Billion Dollar Publishing Company, because the question was not asked. People can be so STUPID and Gullible. Start using COMMON SENSE and LOGIC people and STOP putting mere imperfect MAN who grows old and DIES on the same LEVEL as THE CREATOR JEHOVAH GOD. GET REAL PEOPLE, JEHOVAH GOD DOES NOT SPEAK TO ANYONE ON THIS PLANET NOR DOES HE SEND ANGELS TO COMMUNICATE WITH ANY HUMAN ON THIS PLANET. Put your TRUST in GOD not man and let man be prove a liar.
Jehovahourgod 2 months ago
@Jehovahourgod
Baptized in 1972 were you. Hey, that was before Harmageddon in 1975. Shouldn't we all be dead by now?
Billos76 2 months ago
@Billos76 Yeah, that is what happens when MAN elevates MAN to the level of GOD and deviates from the BIBLE.
Jehovahourgod 2 months ago
This evil practice was started in 1984 when they had a total upheaval and purge at the Watchtower Society. So, for over a hundred years this Baptism vow to a Billion Dollar Publishing Company was not practiced. This has been in practice for the last 27 years so the Watchtower Society can have total control over a persons life. Did God say they were spirit directed? NO! Did they have visions or dreams saying they were spirit directed? NO! Did angels from Jehovah say they were spirit directed?No!
Jehovahourgod 2 months ago
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Jehovahourgod 2 months ago
Where in the bible does it show one person baptized in the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit?
Brotherfireball1988 8 months ago
@Brotherfireball1988 where in the bible does it say that one must be baptised into an organisation - especially one that has taught false prophesy ie that armegeddon would be in 1975? deut clearly states that if anyone teaches false doctrine, that his words have not been inspired by Jehovah
theactivist99 7 months ago
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jofo817 5 months ago
are you kidding me wheres the snare and the racket at????if you listen carefully you will see it is actually scriptural,of course in order to know if its scriptural you have to know the scriptures....OF COURSE...you try to look for a reason to break down others beliefs but you forget about what Jesus said about before you worry about whats in someone elses eye to first clean yours out..also instead of harshly judging others Jesus wanted love and compassion Mercy.....its Gods Job to judge
MrSoulfulmind 9 months ago
@MrSoulfulmind Perhaps you will be kind enough to cite the scripture that shows someone was or is baptized in the name of a "spirit directed organization" so that people seeing this will be assured that it is really scriptural.
KurtBethel 8 months ago 3
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@KurtBethel PROOF: Jesus taught us to follow his example, study his every teaching=Matthew 28:20,John 17:3.TRUE DISCIPLES follow his example, teaching others and making disiples=Matthew 4:17, 5:5, 6:9,10, chapter 10, 24:14, 28:19,20. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones teaching God's name, making it known, and preaching GOD'S KINGDOM is coming! Acts 1;8, 5:42, 8:4, 13:21,49, 14:3,15,21, 20:20-25, Romans 10:10-17, John 3:16, 17:3. 1 Corinthians 2:10,16, 4:6 use the bible :D LIKE JW'S DO!!
eternityandforever 2 months ago
@KurtBethel you stupid apostate, they are not being baptized in the the name of a "spirit directed organization". If you know how to listen and get the garbage out of your head, youll notice the elder saying "your dedication and baptism IDENTIFY YOU as... in association with..". These 2 questions have nothing to do with Matt 28:19,20. Baptism in the name of Father, Son and HS is done in spirit not with your lips. Your stupidity and many like you are the cause of Violence against our people.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You are a slanderer and a liar, so evidently you are of the people of the original Slanderer and Liar. You have presented evidence here in full view of the public that you are one of his people. You have unmasked yourself for all to see.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel PART 1. Oh I see, so your reasoning is that if a man makes a mistake, such as slander in this case, that man is of the people of Satan? How stupid is that? Read Romans 3:23 and learn something please. By your reasoning, every man is of the people of Satan. Dude, please... read your bible.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You are being crafty again. Willful slander is not a "mistake". If you have proof of your claims that I am an apostate and advocate violence against any people, bring it forth now. If you do not have proof, and you let the slander stand while claiming to be a JW, then you are bringing reproach on Jehovah's name and organization.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel You are either apostate or apostate-fed, their tool. You are a victim, thats the bottom line. "advocate violence", did I say that you liar? I used the word "incite" you wicked fool. You videos cause other people to hate us, look it up on youtube, type JWs bulgaria beaten and see all the stupid twisted lies the attackers used as justification. Lies like the garbage your videos puts forth. "WE BAPTISE IN THE NAME OF... an organization", thats what you said. Youre a liar!
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I am confused. My video has an audio recording of a JW baptism and I did not alter it in any way, so if it contains a lie then it would be the JW speaker who lied. Getting back to your claim that I incited violence, I need the name of the person who was injured, the name of the attacker, and details of the incident. Then I need you to tell me how the attacker was incited by me. After you provide this, I want to contact the victim to apologize and make restitution. Thanks.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel Can you quote the audio as saying "baptize in the name of an organization"? because that is what you stated. The audio doesnt say that
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I could change the subject to quoting and analyzing the audio if you wish. First I really need for you to help me out with understanding who was a victim of violence caused by someone who watched the video. That is a serious matter if it is true, and I feel it needs to be addressed before parsing the meaning of words in the audio. You brought this up first, so we can resolve it first. Who was the victim of violence? Their name, please?
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel Trying to act like you care about the violent effects of your video only to avoid the point OF THE VIDEO. Stupid apostates and their victims are always focused on everything other than the point. Youve proven yourself a liar many times with your comments putting words in my mouth such as "advocating violence" and "baptized in the name of an organization". LIAR!
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Okay, I get it. You do not have the name of someone who I caused violence to, because it did not happen. You made it up. I asked you three times and you are still unable to prove your accusations. You also did not explain what evidence you have that I turned away from my religion. You are like a dry well. It would be best if you stay off the internet so your parents or elders do not find out what you are doing. Thanks for showing true Christian love. Goodbye.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel I suppose know youll have debate with me regarding my spelling, or grammar or using this word instead that word or whatever you can catch that has nothing to do with the point.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You are just repeating your accusations of me. Even if you get more vicious with your accusations, they are still not evidence. Please provide the name of the apostate that is feeding me, or some verifiable evidence that I became apostate from my religion. JWs claim to be preaching the good news of God's kingdom to all the nations. Do you really think it is a good witness to be slandering innocent people and then claim to be preaching? I am starting to doubt you are a JW.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I have never caused violence against any people, nor have I directed anyone else to be violent. Even though you don't identify who the "our people" are, I have not caused or directed violence to any people, so that claim is a slanderous lie. Of what sort of people are you? Since you don't say, I must examine the evidence you have presented to me.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel PART 2. our people, JWs. Is that difficult for you to grasp? And yes, by setting up all these strawman arguments, you cause others to doubt and hate. Yes our people have suffered violence because people just like you, spread these twisted misrepresentations of our people. You people should be ashamed of the effects of your actions.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Hmmmm. I wonder if the Watchtower is responsible for violence since they call those who choose to leave "mentally diseased". Oh and what about that WT article that compares elders to Jehu, who "slaughtered" apostates. Yeah, WT should truly be ashamed for such hateful rhetoric. The WT tells it's people to look forward and celebrate the coming slaughter of every man, woman, child, baby and fetus on the face of the earth---uhm except them. Our deliverance is NEAR--blood will flow.
CallHeadquarters 1 month ago
@CallHeadquarters I agree with the WT that apostates are mentally diseased, not because the WT says it, but because Ive seen it first hand. Any person that gets slapped with clear truth and yet doesnt see it is mentally diseased. Any person that hates is MENTALLY DISEASED. "hateful rhetoric"? Another idiot. Its against the bibles teaching to hate. If I say youre crazy, its not because I hate you, its because that is what is observed by me. We look forward for EVIL to end you defamer.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
"Any person that gets slapped with clear truth and yet doesnt see it is mentally diseased"
I'm slapping you with clear truth that jesus didn't choose the faithful slave in 1918/19
now prove he did ...from the scriptures.........otherwise.....people here are watching your answers and will come to their own conclusions
show scriptural proofs.......or can't you?
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Z4kYb0I its funny youre trying to slap me with clear truth that Jesus didnt choose the slave in 1918/19 how? By saying he didnt? lol what the heck? You didnt provide any sources or verses or even ideas. You just said he "didnt" and thats all you gave me and you "slapped me with clear truth"? whats "clear" about "didnt choose"? please try again. You gotta show us WHY he didnt and WHY you believe this to be so, otherwise you come out looking like a fool in front of the "people watching".
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vrYour world is quite black and white Justice. Do you know what it looks like to observers when you claim that everyone that disagrees with you is mentally diseased? Good, because it stands as a warning to any who would open the door to you. Readers see inside the JW mind that is hidden behind the plastic smile at your door, THIS is the reality behind the act. They rip families apart, forbidding any contact with ex-members: children, parents, grandchildren, friends. no love.
CallHeadquarters 1 month ago
@CallHeadquarters You see what you just did there? You are such and idiot! "everyone" that disagrees with me? We're talking about apostates right? You brought that up. You KNOW we are talking about apostates and now you say that I claim that "everyone" who disagrees with me is mentally diseased? Dude... wow....idiot. "For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law." Matt 10:35
Go blame Jesus.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You do a very good job of causing people to react by your very bizarre &controlling practices. Your people will shun relatives who were never baptized. They will shun children who are baptized, causing some to commit suicide. You almost outright ban higher education so that most of you end up in miserable jobs and broke with deep regrets over squandered youth. I have seen many more lives ruined by your policies than helped.
EmpressOfWyoming58 1 month ago
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@EmpressOfWyoming58 "Your people will shun relatives who were never baptized" If someone rejects YOUR God who is your whole world, and in fact work against your God, you wouldnt "shun" them? "You almost outright ban higher education so that most of you end up in miserable jobs and broke with deep regrets over squandered youth" Is this not a bible teaching?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr My nephew died of a broken heart last year. He was not baptized, yet his parents decided to launch a series of e-mail attacks on him telling him was like the walking dead to them. They were so angry that he he did not want to study that they vowed never speak to him again, not even if one of them was dying. They beat him over the head with kind of attack his entire adult life. He was 42. Because of this bizarre treatment of theirs & this man's death, several have left "your people."
EmpressOfWyoming58 1 month ago
@EmpressOfWyoming58 First of all, dont talk about your nephews situtation like you know all the details. Secondly, its stupid to leave a group for the actions of a couple of people. Heres a question for you, if your friends said they like you, but want nothing to do with your.... son or daughter (the most important people to a parent), how would you feel towards that person? Jesus said we must love him MORE than our immediate family.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You only stated it explicitly in this post. I don't assume things about people I don't know. I am convinced your claim to be a JW is true, except for one thing. Your religious leaders have told you to avoid dangers on the internet, and especially to avoid apostate messages and forums, and not debate on them. If you seriously think I am an apostate and my video is apostate, then you are being disobedient to your religious leaders, and by extension, disobedient to Jehovah.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel "Your religious leaders have told you to avoid dangers on the internet, and especially to avoid apostate messages and forums"
"If anyone comes to YOU and does not bring this teaching, never receive him into YOUR homes or say a greeting to him. For he that says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works" 2 John 10,11
Who tells us to avoid apostates again?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr I am not sure how this is proof that I am an apostate and that I cause violence. Please provide that proof, or admit that you lied about me. Whichever you prefer.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel Your weak defense for your video shows us that you are a liar.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Calling me a liar for a purported weak defense of my video is not proof that I am an apostate. It is a crafty evasion of answering for proof of your accusations. You have failed to provide the name of even one victim of my video. I am dismissing your accusation right now for lack of evidence. I thank you for providing an example for all to see what one of your people are capable of. Thanks again, Kurt
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel "You have failed to provide the name of even one victim of my video. I am dismissing your accusation right now for lack of evidence" Oh now I have to provide a name for you? Youre in idiot apostate-fed scum. You are so stupid youre missing the point trying to sound all smart with your ignorant wording. "dismissing", "lack of evidence" what an idiot. Google JWs beaten in bulgaria and youll see their bloody faces, I dont have their names.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr
google branch davidians and waco......being attacked and beaten is NOT proof that you are the true religion.....
...and that is another truth
Z4kYb0I 1 month ago
@Justice4vr No, you don't have to provide a name of a violence victim I have harmed. There is none. You have no evidence of what you have accused me of, no names, nothing. It didn't happen. You made it all up. I want to thank you for your efforts in giving witness to how honest, loving and intelligent a Witness of Jehovah is. You are a fine example of how a Watchtower education can help someone. Your fine witness is done here. Thanks again, and goodbye.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Okay, so we have you slandering me in public. I am not an apostate. Your claim I am stupid is merely an opinion so I will not count that as slander. You cite no scripture that supports baptism into an organization,? or association with an organization, or in the name of an organization, or whatever crafty way you want to word it. None at all. Then you slander me again, claiming that my alleged stupidity causes violence against "our people".
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel PART 3. "Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization"
ESSENTIALLY:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as (TRUE) CHRISTIANS in association with THE CONGREGATION"
Do you really need a verse for something so obvious? You need a verse stating how baptism makes you part of the congregation?
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr That is really sly of you to substitute a local group of people, the CONGREGATION, for the multinational CORPORATION that the Watchtower organization is, and then mention a verse about it.
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel A congregation local or worldwide is an organization. It has parts just like a body and all work together for a purpose, why do you complicate your understanding? That "corporation" as you call it is run by the congregation. The WT is a printing institution, so our brothers are not in association with a printing institution but with the whole of the congregation.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Interesting take on how the organization is run. Thanks for sharing. Now, there is the matter of the proof you have that I am an apostate and that I cause violence. As in, where is that proof?
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@KurtBethel Proof? This isnt a court of law. People hate us based on twisted information like the content of you video. People will mock JWs for "baptizing in the name" of an organization as you stated EVEN WHEN THATS NOT WHAT WE DO. It will contribute to the persons doubts along with all the other garbage and spring hate, hate will in turn cause violence towards us. Its called the butterfly effect. Just like Satan, you lie and cause damage.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You are right. It is not a court of law. If it were, the judge would have thrown you out because your case has a total lack of evidence. Case dismissed!
KurtBethel 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Who are "our people"???
BekkadeCali 1 month ago
@BekkadeCali JWs, my brotheren.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr The word is "brethren", but since the JW's eschew education, I understand your confusion.
BekkadeCali 1 month ago
@Justice4vr um... you are the one Name calling and Judging. isn't that god's place not your place, right? and you are the one that sounds Violent. just saying...
thegodthatwasntthere 1 month ago
@thegodthatwasntthere name calling? Is calling someone stupid "name calling", when did a description become "name calling"? Where did I judge? show me. Im upset, not violent, theres a difference. dude cmon with this stupidity.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr Yes calling someone stupid is name calling and you must be retarded not to know that. see by me saying "you must be retarded" i was making a assumption. if i had said "you are retarded" that would be name calling. you said "you stupid apostate", calling him a name. saying his head had garbage in it and that he was stupid, also Judging. while I'm "Judging" you and Assuming you are slow in the brain. very unchrist like... but i I'm not a Christan... so no harm no foul.
thegodthatwasntthere 1 month ago
@Justice4vr My goodness--shame on you for talking to apostates. The Watchtower forbid you to speak to us. And shame on you for calling strangers stupid. Well, I guess in light of the recent Watchtower that calls those who choose to leave "mentally diseased" we shouldn't be surprised that folllowers react this way. This is the fruitage of their hateful teachings. Don't tell the elders you've been here, they will cut you off from friends, family and all you love. Shhhhhh.
CallHeadquarters 1 month ago
@CallHeadquarters "My goodness--shame on you for talking to apostates".. oh you got me, NOT! What do you care you, you turned your back on Jehovah, WHAT DO YOU CARE?? "Don't tell the elders you've been here, they will cut you off from friends", stupidity at it again. The elders have no right to do so unless you are spreading false teachings. The bible says not to even greet apostates, so stop blaming us, blame God yes show God how youre much more righteous than him..
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@Justice4vr You try voicing even the smallest doubt about this organization's teachings. You'll find out quickly that your baptism was in reality to this organization. They'll kick your backside so far to the curb you will be sitting with bluebirds and stars circling your head, wondering who the heck you are. The poster of this video isn't inciting violence. Violence? Probably from someone's anger over this organization's cold distruction of families, & children dying from the blood policies.
EmpressOfWyoming58 1 month ago
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@EmpressOfWyoming58 "You'll find out quickly that your baptism was in reality to this organization" lol you have no idea who youre speaking to. I never said this video itself is inciting violence. I said people that make these twisted videos are inciting violence towards our people. Pay attention. If you dont believe in God and his scriptures dont even bother talking to me.
Justice4vr 1 month ago
@MrSoulfulmind Actually, it is not Scriptural. Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit ...." The Watchtower question replaces Holy Spirit with Organisation when it says "in association with God's God's spirit-directed organization? "
pjvgrundy 6 months ago
@MrSoulfulmind How about it? 4 months is long enough for you to find a scripture to support this, if there was one.
rockbobsterdotcom 4 months ago
@MrSoulfulmind And Vice Versa
blwtheblue 2 months ago
This is a mockery of the solomn act! When a cult preaches that Christ our God i only the archangel Michael (JW's) or that He is th brother of Satan (Mormons), they are not saved!
Menechem 9 months ago 2
"... in association with God's spirit directed organization?"
What is the name of God's spirt?
Holy Spirit...
Boanerge2010 11 months ago
when you get dissfellowshipped for not
giving allegiance to an organisation you will know better
look at the history of Jw
once there was no organisation only people
what were they baptised into then ?
archeng123 1 year ago
christians are baptized in the name of the father son and holy ghost?????i would love to see tht in the bible..please give me scriptures...
mark4christ 1 year ago
@mark4christ Matther 28:19
123MrBurg 10 months ago
christians are baptized in the name of the father sond and holy ghost?????i would love to see tht in the bible..please give me scriptures...
mark4christ 1 year ago
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Mat 28:19 "Go forth and make disciples of nations baptizing in the NAME of the FATHER, SON, and HOLY SPIRIT"
Eph. 2:8, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God."
Rom. 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Try leaving the watchtower organization and then you'll see how much love you get.
SuperOZTV 1 year ago
Anunnaki rul3s !!!
goenteman 1 year ago
Actually...they do get baptized in the name of GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the HOLY SPIRIT..
In conclusion..YOU are wrong..
missy1234eva 1 year ago
check out"Jehovah Clause" here on youtube. It's a cartoon!
CatskillMountainView 1 year ago
This is not Biblical salvation. Salvation is not being dedicated to Christ. It is to believe that Christ paid it all at the cross. Eternal life is a free gift. Romans 6:23. John 4:10. it is received by faith alone in Christ alone. Ephesians 2:8-9. This is a cult and offers no salvation. Read John 3:16. That will tell you how to be saved.
jacksmack77 1 year ago
They dedicate themselves to the name God's Spirit Directed Organization then jump in their pool and are fully immersed.
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What is the last part of the body to go under the water?
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It is either the Forehead or the Hand.
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Once that happens the baptism is complete.
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You are marked with the name you dedicated yourself to!
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isaiah30v8 1 year ago
There are only two ways any human can serve God. You can serve Him as a servant, and work for wages or the hope of reward. Or, you can serve Him as His child, in absolute love without fear. Jesus made the later possible.
digital0707neo 1 year ago
Wonderful!
SmalltimR 1 year ago
ya'll saying your 2 pence worth now, but reality is ya'll gunna die. Every religion teaches that if you belive diferent you die. So basically at Armageddon ya'll D E D, dead. Say what ya like half wits
TetraRage 1 year ago
don't jw believe aliens are coming to get them?
scotcandy2001 1 year ago
keep your children away from JW or they stand a high chance of being molested
riellehunter 1 year ago
Strange... I saw like 100 JW bathisms during 5 years and never saw them being in the name of Watchtower or the organization :/
DzVinci 1 year ago
key word was IDENTIFY. not baptized into an organization only identified as a JW
myxyzaccount 1 year ago
the first question say's it all " ... to do Gods(jehovah) word..." and they are baptized in the father the son and the holy spirit and there was no baptism going on while the question was asked now was there? and they said do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah witnesses in association with Gods spirit- directed organization" ... it didn't say you are baptized in the organization its say it will identify you as being part of the organization it's ENG
doublebanabe 1 year ago
Despite the apparent attempts of this individual to portray the Witneses as cultic, these beautiful dedication and baptismal vows announced before the congregation are always moving! :-)
jhvhsboy83 1 year ago
JW are NOT Christians
arvoreen73 1 year ago 2
@arvoreen73 Explain please..How are JW not christians you make no sense..
Ballax23Videos 1 year ago
ACTS 8:37................
sikovit 1 year ago
Why do the interiors of Kingdom Halls all look the same???
Kinda creepy huh?
blueshadowes 1 year ago
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As for the scripture of going door-to-door. The Jehovah's Witnesses have it wrong. People invited Jesus to their house to eat and listen to him. This wasn't a door-to-door ministry. Read Luke 10:7 ... "And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house." Do you get that? They stayed at ONE HOUSE as their guest - not just to knock on their door and give people a Watchtower or Awake magazine.
sacolton 1 year ago
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sacolton 1 year ago
As an ex-JW, yes, it's true. The baptism oath identifies you as a Jehovah's Witness ... not a Christian. You are associated with the "spirit-directed" Watchtower. You dedicate yourself to an man-made organization. I encourage anyone interested in becoming a Jehovah's Witness to research very thoroughly the history of this cult.
sacolton 1 year ago
LOL! Please hold your applause. The sound department has you covered. Are they just playing a clap track?
anzwertree 2 years ago
jesus was baptized at 30 yrs old
teddet87 2 years ago
Jehovah's Witnesses baptizes babies too like the Catholic Churc
51cacheton 2 years ago
no they dont. jws get baptized whenever they want, im 18 n not yet baptized, u get baptized when u are ready. but before u get baptized you have to go infront of the elders n they ask u questions to see if u are qualifed for baptizm... u have to have a basic knowledge of the bibl, jesus n have love for jehovah god, tht wud be im possible for a baby.
theusedjosh 2 years ago
when I was baptised, I distinctly remember the NOT saying In the name of the father,in the name of the son and in the name of the orginization.
DABrewer1 2 years ago
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mistiqflower 2 years ago
"If you want to close your ears and be ignorant...to each his own."
Touche' ;-)
middleman777 2 years ago
"Jesus preached door to door..."
Your evidence of that is? Seems like he admonished the disciples to stay put in some circumstances.
(Luke 10:6-7)
"And if a son of peace is there, your peace shall rest on it. If not, it shall return to you,
7 And remain in the same house, eating and drinking the things shared by them; for the laborer is worthy of his hire. Do not move from house to house."
middleman777 2 years ago
mistiqflower,
please understand that much of the "house to house" preaching was meeting at various Christian's houses for fellowship. This was done rather than just going to random unconverted "householders". Please show me in scripture where one HAS TO go "door knocking" to preach the Kingdom of God.
Blessings...
middleman777 2 years ago 2
I have never seen anyone clain that a JW knocks on a door and says.."Im sorry but your religion is crap!".... So I have no idea what you are talking about or if you are confused by what you saw somewhere else. I have personally seen and heard JWs claim that their religion is the ONLY true one and that all others are false. That has the same meaning as telling someone their religion is crap, but with perhaps a little more diplomacy. I have never seen a JW actually prove their religion is true.
KurtBethel 2 years ago
@mistiqflower JWs don't swear. But it's absolutely crystal clear they think every religion but theirs is "crap". They have no respect for any other - what they call "false" - religion. Of course JWs are the ones saying everyone else is "wrong". What do you think their claim of being the ONLY true religion actually means?
Essanach 2 years ago
Can you show me the scripture where Jesus preached door to door? Thanks!
rachelbinto 2 years ago 2
Jesus preached pretty much everywhere he went, right? I'm not too sure about my man Jesus, but he did get his homies to go house to house. Of that I am certain.
Acts 5:42 -And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus. -NWT
The NIV translates,
Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ. -NIV
anzwertree 2 years ago
The scripture I am looking for is the one where Jesus went door to door just as the Jehovah's Witnesses do today, since many JWs have made the claim that Jesus did exactly that.
Acts 2:46 uses the same phrase as Acts 5:42. Did the early church eat all their meals door to door also like a progressive meal? Or does the sense "in private homes" and not necessarily in consecutive homes convey the meaning?
rachelbinto 2 years ago
Matthew 28:19 - Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit.
SupremePenguinTone 2 years ago
Exactly the point this video is making...we should be baptized in the name of the Holy Spirit and not in the name of a Spirit-directed organization. That's unbiblical!
rachelbinto 2 years ago
But nobody was baptised in the name of an organization.
He's basically saying "Do you understand that when you're baptised this will confirm you as a Witness in association with God's spirit-directed organization.
There's a difference between what you said and what he said.
SupremePenguinTone 2 years ago
In Christian baptism they baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Do Jehovah's Witnesses do that, or do they put an organization in between the individual and the Holy Spirit? And like Peter tells us in Acts 2:38 we can know that we will receive the Holy Spirit via repentance and baptism.
rachelbinto 2 years ago
No we don't go through an organization, and that idea wasn't even indicated in this video.
Like I said what is happening is that you are confirming that you are now a member of the JW faith which is being directed by the Holy Spirit.
You're taking the words out of context in an attempt to "trap" us. Nice try.
SupremePenguinTone 2 years ago
Again, do Jehovah's Witnesses baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, or do they leave the Holy Spirit out and only mention it in connection with the organization during baptisms?
rachelbinto 2 years ago
@SupremePenguinTone when you get dissfellowshipped for not
giving allegiance to an organisation you will know better
look at the history of Jw
once there was no organisation only people
what were they baptised into then ?
archeng123 1 year ago
Again? You change your point each time I respond. You're now onto something different, BUT anyway listen to " 0:29 - 0:34 ". You obviously have fecal matter stuck between your brain and your ears at this point.
SupremePenguinTone 1 year ago
Does the Bible teach to spend your time tearing down another religion?
nishaboston 2 years ago
It dosent matter what demonination you are. People who think they are doing right by god are actually doing wrong when they are bashing ohter people. What makes you think that you are better than anyone else when all you can do is attempt to discredit others?
Matthew 7:12, Luke 6:31
MBW600 2 years ago
When that religion is clearly deceptive in its fluctuating doctrine? When they have made claims to be Gods sole channel of communication to mankind, and have been WRONG? When new light conveniently comes regarding the term generation and 1914??? Absolutely, that religion opens itself up to such criticism.
originalcountrysongs 2 years ago
Again does the bible teach you to tear down other religions?
MistahDjAj 2 years ago
Tear down? No. Examine? YES
originalcountrysongs 2 years ago
your juding dude dont judge or thy will be judged if you think this is a cult than give me a reason why its a cult? i have had alot of disscusions with people i want to be baptized as a JW because its what i belive they teach is the closest to the truth now you will belive what you want to belive i wont ever judge you on it but dont go around judging something that some people hold so dearly your being a dick!! also god will not dismiss someone thats trying to do his will even if they might have
KOKID83 2 years ago
that god will forgive because you love your son or father ect.. to much to not do it i dont agree people should be disfellowshipped because of it. Gods strongest trait is love and will not go down so hard on the people he loves we are inperfect but i agree that we must do are best to live a life according to how jesus did as much as we can it makes your soul light and makes you happy,im sorry if this is to long lol!!
KOKID83 2 years ago
flaws in some of there teachings they are trying to do there best to please God no matter what i belive that maybe no religion is perfect evry religion thinks they are the right one look i dont just think that JWs will be saved at armaggedon but i still belive they do good things and try to live there lives according to the will of the Almighty god the creator of the universe also i dont agree that if someone you hold dearly are dying and they need blood you shouldnt let them take it its
KOKID83 2 years ago
Here's a Watchtower quote for nishaboston and MistahDjAj.
(1963 Watchtower Nov. 11th pg. 688)
"It is not a form of religious persecution for anyone to say and to show that another religion is false. It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false, thus allowing persons to see the difference between false religion and true religion." Continued...
middleman777 2 years ago
", But in order to make the exposure and show the wrong religions to be false, the true worshiper will have to use an authoritative means of judgment, a rule of measurement that cannot be proved faulty. To make a public exposure of false religion is certainly of more value than exposing a news report as being untrue; it is a public service instead of a religious persecution and it has to do with the eternal life and happiness of the public. Still it leaves the public free to choose."
middleman777 2 years ago
Typo it's the November 15th Watchtower NOT 11th lol...no such thing.
middleman777 2 years ago
God has an organization people, who is it?
44thinker 2 years ago
Shit...I actually had my hopes up for an accidental drowning.
TheMegaTroll 2 years ago
Really, what a silly cult. You can find it in their own crappy magazines, baptism is in the name of the organization. These are not Christians. They do not follow the bible, they follow false prophets in Brooklyn. You gotta feel sorry for people who are unstable enough to believe in this cult. Seriously, they go directly against the bible, that should be the first clue they are full of crap.Numbers are down, except in 3rd world countries.. That speaks volumes.
wopwoman 2 years ago
I did not hear the phrase "i baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and God's Spirit-directed organization". People just try to find anything they can to tear down God's people. Well, the Lord Jesus dis say, "if they persecuted me, they will persecute you also." True Christians that is.
yvetteblalock 2 years ago