Today we are learning the true cost of a 10 year dead end war. Our soldiers are tired and want to come home and we should do so immediately. There is no win in the war so cut our loses and bring them home.
[Norquist] raised an issue we get all the time which is, 'Well there's nothing stopping you guys from paying higher taxes, just send a check to the government!' And this to me is frankly an absurd position; I don't consider it to be a very serious argument. Government is not a charity and we can't rely on voluntary contributions from people to support the things that government does. And I also said to him,
And I also said to him, 'Look would you be willing to sign a pledge where you're willing to forgo all the benefits that government provides? Are you willing to sign a pledge that says you don't want the U.S. military to protect you? That you will refuse to contact the police if somebody steals from you? That you will refuse to contact the fire department if your house is on fire? Because that's the equivalent!
Why should you get a free ride? Why should you benefit from my willingness to support the government? Let's do it together.' And he said, 'If I don't have to pay any taxes for it, I would forgo all those things!' To which my response was, 'Well there's an easy way to do that, move to Somalia!' And his argument was, 'Somalia doesn't suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government.' I don't even begin to understand what that means, but again there's only so much you
In an interview with The Huffington Post, Norquist felt the group only represented liberal interests.
"They were there with a heavy partisan message," Norquist told HuffPost Thursday. "The kinds of arguments I got from these old people weren't interesting when I was 12, the left has not advanced. These guys are Democratic Party hacks."
WASHINGTON -- Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength, millionaires who want the government to tax them more, met with foremost anti-tax guru Grover Norquist in Washington late Wednesday afternoon. Not surprisingly, they couldn't find common ground -- and ended up debating the state of Somalia.
@john777316 Patriotic Millionaires, a group of 200-plus people making more than $1 million per year (including actress Edie Falco and economist Nouriel Roubini, among others), believe that America has been good to them and that it is their duty to give back. "[The government] provided a foundation through which we could succeed," writes the group on their website. "Now, we want to do our part to keep that foundation strong so that others can succeed as we have."
In a twisted way, right-wing poor Corporate Toolsare very principled. They believe what they believe very sincerely, and they're passionate enough that they openly sacrifice their own self-interests in voting for GOP give-every-penny-to-the-wealthy. They're screwing themselves, but they think they're doing it out of morals and principles.
This is where the GOP is able to lead them like the sheep they are. As long as the GOP can place themselves as authoritarian alpha dog, the sheep follow.
So says the liberal propaganda, but how exactly is the GOP giving to the wealthy? Your class envy/warfare isn't very well thought through though you sure do preach a lot.
Every election cycle, Grover Norquist and the Americans for Tax Reform get out the campaign finance carrot and lure politicians into signing the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. Of course, some members of the GOP are already tax hawks and would hold that position without Norquist, but when a politician refuses to sign on, Norquist shoves that carrot up ...well, let's just say he performs acts that could be criminalized even under Lawrence v. Texas.
"Grover Norquist is rightly feeling the heat. It is the height of absurdity for him to claim that his 'no tax' pledge is furthering bipartisan efforts to fix our economic problems," said Doug Kendall, founder and president of the Constitutional Accountability Center. "Even anti-tax conservatives such as Senator Tom Coburn and Representative Frank Wolf agree Gridlock Grover's pledge is crippling Washington."
@kathy160 And progressives need to pull heads out of asses and wake up to the fact that voting for a known failure as the current president is will only get you more of the same failure. You are destroying yourselves with the longer you try to hold on to power - and you don't even get it.
@lthom33 Obama couldn't win anything that was "off teleprompter". We've seen him. Now, he doesn't have empty promises of "hope and change" to rally his jack-booted storm troopers. If asked actual honest questions by a true mediator, he wouldn't stand a chance because he would have no answer as to why he didn't deliver his "hope and change" or any of the other empty promises.
@Darkrift777 You confuse Obama with that idiot from Texas. Obama is an eloquent speaker and I cannot WAIT until he begins his eloquence to wipe the floor with ANY of the clowns the GOP want to call a "candidate." Also, Obama has fulfilled ALL of his campaign promises. I guess FAUX news hasn't reported that -figures! As I can recall, Obama beat the shit out of McCain w/honest answers. Yes, there's history again coming up to bite you in the ass and make your comments foolish.
Nope. Obama's a failure, pure and simple. There is very little that he touches that hasn't turned to shit. He's a Bush clone in terms of policy. He's a stutterer and is only capable of reading from a teleprompter. He is only as eloquent as his speech writer permits. Obama can not address actual issues, instead he panders to the lowest common denominator (his voter base) by promising empty platitudes such as "hope and change" that the mindless gobble up.
@lthom33 Obama is indeed a failure, but even failures can be a second term president. You've seen as much with Bush and may see the same with Obama. History repeats itself as they say.
@lthom33 "He will be a second term president, so just deal with it."
Already been stocking up on food and supplies for just such a disaster, but thank you all the same for the warning. You know, the more liberals actually remain in power, the more they erode the rights of the people but at the same time the more Americans wake up to the horrors of anti American "progressivism"/socialism. They don't like what you and your ilk have to offer, despite being tempted by subjective rhetoric.
@lthom33 so record unemployment,record foreclosures, record govt bailouts, record corporate welfare, screwing the american taxpayer, disreguarding the constitution by recess appointments while senate was in session, war w/libya without congressional approval, union favoritism,obamacare mandates that throw middle class americans to the wolves of big insurance and racehustling. what in the world could you say to justify four more years of this? what has obama done ofr anyone who is not wealthy?
@whitemanwaydownsouth I remember watching the footage of a black woman who thought that Obama was for the "little guy" and would help her pay for her gas (out of his "stash") in exchange for her vote. That's what his so-called "hopey changey" meant to her. Sad how she was so gullible to be duped. Maybe next time she'll learn her lesson.
@lthom33 "there's history again coming up to bite you in the ass"
I never said McCain wasn't beat. McCain is the most left wing of the GOP. A strong wind could beat him as he has no substance. You however forget the landslide victory against progressivism/socialism as in 2010 you lost more seats than you had since the 50's.
@Darkrift777 The reason Democrats lost so many seats was because of the economy George W. Bush left behind and Americans were angry about it. Seems you are the one guilty of "omitting" facts. Propagandist? LOL Just watch the debates and research. This way, you cannot call me such names, Mr. Objective (great sarcasm) .
@lthom33 "The reason Democrats lost so many seats was because of the economy George W. Bush..."
So, it's the Democrats that lost the seats because of the mean Republican administration? LOL silly nincompoop. Obviously the American people disagree with you there and rightly put quite a lot of blame on the Obama admin and democrats - where it is due.
@lthom33 The fact of the matter is, you leftists will spin placing blame on any other administration but the liberal ones. You will never man up and accept fault for anything. How many years need to go by before you acknowledge responsibility for this current administration? It's been nearly 4 years. Do you need 8? How about a decade before you admit some responsibility for your actions?
I read your exchange with Ithom33 with great admiration for your patience. As you pointed out, Ithom does not know the difference between fact and opinion e.g. "Israel is evil" let alone possess the objectively to evaluate Israel's sovereignty.
Having said that, IMHO I give Ithom credit for at least trying to have an honest exchange. Queenie, Clay, and the rest of their legion are simply trolls.
@esj8341 Very true. Many libs have no conception of the difference between fact vs fiction or truth vs opinion. She is honestly crazy enough to believe that it is a "FACT" that "Israel is evil", and she believes it to the point where she justifies and celebrates the slaughter of Israeli civillians by palestinian terrorists based on that assumption. It's really sick. Queenie, Clay, and the like no doubt believe much of the same, yet they know that to actually come clean hurts their position.
@lthom33 Bush's economy was an unemployment average of 5.2% just like the average for the Clinton years. Obama's an UTTER FAILURE as potus and needs to GO!
Since it's Sunday...I will tell you about something I looked up last night....it was ishmael's descendants... I went to wikipedia, a totally false claim about ismael, yet a great idea on what islam teaches....the fabrication that Abraham was married to hagar is bs...but they believe this to be true...
A friend sent me a link...obozo can be impeached RIGHT now for by passing congress as far as rules for war...it was bliss, really a little piece heaven on earth reading this...
Is President Barack Obama America’s most “Biblically-hostile U.S. president?” This is the label that conservative historian David Barton has given Obama, as the nation continues its debate over the president’s controversial contraceptive mandate.
But for Barton, the situation transcends the current discussion about religious freedom and the Catholic Church, as the frequent guest on Glenn Beck’s radio and television shows develops his provocative argument in detail.
@footstomp1 David Barton clearly doesn't know or care that millions of Catholic women use contraceptives and that they have a right to obtain them. Also, Barton used the word "hostility" as a tool to attack Obama. He clearly wants people to believe that there's a "war" going on. Well, there is. BUT, it's Barton who is declaring war against women and these types have no placement in today's society.
@Darkrift777 Boo hoo nothing. I doubt any reasonable person will read Barton's book accept the right-wing religious zealots. And, when any person attempts to remove a woman's rights it is a war against them.
But you aren't a reasonable person. It's rare that I find a progressive that is. You are incapable of understanding anything that conflicts with your ill-conceived predetermined notions.
"when any person attempts to remove a woman's rights it is a war against them"
Perhaps so, but that is not happening here. No rights are being removed at all.
@Darkrift777 I've had my much needed break for the lunacy of your posts and now can respond to a few. You calling anyone "unreasonable" or "incapable of understanding" is just laughable. On the other hand, rights are being removed due to religious zealots who think their ideologies matter when they do not.
@lthom33 In this alleged "war against women", who is taking away the availability of contraceptives, hmm? Who is banning condoms? Anyone actually removing birth control pills from the shelves? No, no and more no. Wingnut, nobody buys your spin. Not now, not ever. Your argument is spoon fed to you by propagandists who didn't even think their position through. They just use platitudes to try to sway public opinion while omitting and altering facts to their benefit.
Lincoln was just another lying yankee politician who would continue to impose an unfair tax burden. Lincoln did not want to go down in history as the man who caused the South to secede so he chose to kill his fellow Americans in the name of “unity.”
all I can say after watching GAME CHANGE is that if it was only 50% true it was a sad fucking joke the GOP was playing on the American people. To even think Palin was ready for prime time was the biggest failure of the GOP in the last 100 years.
@john777316 Analysis on the Dennis Miller show said the GOP was foolish to rush her into the spotlight w/ Charlie Gibson. But the rest of the movie was a complete fraud. It simply never happened that way. It's only about 1% true & that's just that they got Palin's look right. Sarah's taken a bad hand (McCain campaign) & turned it into a successful career. She was a great leader in Alaska before that. She's a bright, amazing woman all around ~ far more accomplished than most whiny lib females.
Abraham Lincoln was hated during his administration and went against the peoples will. Obama will be rewritten in history as great, just like Lincoln was rewritten.
“Today ‘Massa Linkums’ day of fasting, humiliation, and prayer. As the Register thinks the nation has ample reason for fasting, because Lincoln has made food so high; for humiliation at the disgrace his miserable imbecile policies have brought upon us; and for prayer that God, in his goodness, will spare us a second term of such a President, the day will be observed by the employees of this establishment, and no paper may be expected tomorrow.’
“The man who votes for Lincoln now is a traitor. Lincoln is a traitor and murderer. He who pretending to war for, wars against the Constitution of our country is a traitor, and Lincoln is one of those men. He who calls and allures men to certain butchery is a murderer, and Lincoln has done this…if he is elected to misgovern for another four years, we trust some bold hand will pierce his heart with dagger point for the public good.”
@CherB313 So since he has attacked Catholics and Protestants, one is tempted to say that he is anti-Christian. But that, too, would be inaccurate. He has been equally disrespectful in his appalling treatment of religious Jews in general and Israel in particular. So perhaps the most accurate description of his antipathy toward Catholics, Protestants, religious Jews, and the Jewish nation would be to characterize him as anti-Biblical.
@footstomp1 Hi foot...yes this is all true...but in the video he says "my muslim faith". The guy corrects him but the cats let out of the bag...The fact is, muslims are allowed to lie. Billy Graham nails him when saying he "says he's a Christian". ..if it's for the benefit of allah and islam they can LIE!
@VincentTruth LOL hyou claim to ba against obama, but only attack others who oppose obamas policies, you share the hatred for jews and israel that liberals express so much and keep forgetting that most of us here remember that you fought the obama fight for over a year as darkriffle, dickriffle,dickrift,and redriffle .you praise the efforts of libtrolls,nebtv, mrclaydough and others.
you are fooling nobody, you are a liberal troll. and a poor one at that. you fail on every level loser
@whitemanwaydownsouth OMG! Thanks....that little tidbit just made my day! I busted john as riffle a while back...and he closed his redriffle acct! HAHAHAHA!!!
@whitemanwaydownsouth " you share the hatred for jews and israel that liberals express so much" Why is it, that well informed people cannot share facts about Israel without being called "Israeli haters?" Israel has had an aggressive policy of wiping out the Palestinian people for at least 80 yrs, when Britain FORCED European Jews on their land.They are NOT even true Israelis! I bet if your mother and little sisters were slaughtered like cows you would be singing a different tune.
@Darkrift777 It is not only true but well documented. also, according to history the Jews were "exiled" from Israel by the Romans in 135 C.E. after the Jews were defeated. Also, their claim that God gave them Israel is a crock as well, because a religion has no right to territorial sovereignty. Most Israelis are secular and non-religious, which is pure hypocrisy that they claim God gave them Israel. Had they not made that claim to Europe, they would not be in Israel today -clever
@Darkrift777 It does make it reasonable, when you attempt to claim that Jews have some sort of right to Palestinian land, when Palestinians have lived there since dirt was invented. Because Europe forces "misplaced European Jews" on Palestinian land after the Holocaust does NOT make it Jewish land. It makes it Jewish land that was historically given to them by Europe not God or willing Palestinian people. Worse they are stealing MORE land & killing innocent people. Get over yourself
@Darkrift777 Hey, scatter brain. Israel became a Nation in 1948 by way of the Europeans. So, ask yourself a simple question: Who occupied the land that is now known as "Israel?" before the Europeans decided to place them all there?
Oh, that is another hard question for you to answer.
And they existed as a nation back during the Romans, as history has shown. It's well known and there is archaeological evidence to show where the jewish people claimed their home. Simply because the people that call themselves "palestinians" decided to move into vacated settlements previously inhabited by the Jews doesn't make it "theirs".
It's a simple one, actually. If this is what you consider difficult, then no wonder you are as simple minded as I have proven here today. We can argue "which came first, the chicken or the egg" regarding palestinian/israeli violence all day and never agree. The indisputed fact is you don't believe Israel should be in what you consider "Palestinian" land. I completely disagree with your OPINION on the matter.
@lthom33 Do you dispute the fact that the land was occupied and owned by jews before the Roman Empire exiled them? You don't have to believe it was "ordained by God" to accept historic facts, madam. You just have to be non-brainwashed.
@Darkrift777 Absolutely! Since prehistoric times the land was ruled by Hebrews, Egyptians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, and Turks. No one "owned" land, as it could be given up in battle.Palestine comprised parts of modern Israel, the WB & Gaza, Jordan, & Egypt; also known as the Holy Land. In the Bible, Palestine is called "Canaan" before the invasion of Joshua. That's if you want to get technical.
@Darkrift777 Jews have owned land there since Abraham. And there has been an uninterrupted Jewish ownerhsip ever since. There has never not been Jewish ownership and presence from then to this day.
I didn't see a need, just as I don't see the need to refer to the crusades in this discussion of modern day events. The simple fact is that in your opinion you don't believe the state of Israel should exist or at least not exist in what you believe is "palestine". I disagree with your assessment because it goes beyond the scope of facts and relies heavily on your distorted perspective.
@lthom33 You are intentionally omitting all palestinian/muslim violence and exaggerating Israeli responses to that violence. That is a distortion and quite dishonest of you. Adding snippets of fact surrounding the Roman exile doesn't add credibility to your disgusting opinionated drivel.
@Darkrift777 No, I am not omitting anything. I was commenting on how "liberals" are singled out for "hating" Jews, while the right-wing seem to ignore history and Israel's own violence against Muslims. If you want to debate or discuss the Palestinian then I will do so. They are wrong too, but you kick a dog several times it's going to bite back. You have no sense of history, present or past, yet attempt to debate the topic. That's just messed up to me.
I never expected you to be honest enough to admit it. That's my whole point.
"liberals are singled out for hating Jews"
Because you ally yourselves with muslim violence in your justification of palestinian violence. You omitted mention of palestinian violence altogether in your quest to claim Israel are "systematically murdering Palestinians". You are ill-infomed, brainwashed, and have a worthless standardly liberal perspective on the whole matter.
@Darkrift777 Discussing history & "Israel's aggression" against Palestine is not omitting anything. I'm repeating history not aligning myself with Muslim violence or trying to justify violence in anyway. I am simply pointing out the fact that it is Israel who are the aggressors. The Palestinian violence is retaliation by missiles not hitting their mark and suicidal bombings. I mean, who wants to blow themselves up to be heard? You are not capable of being objective
@Darkrift777 Palestine's violence is old rockets that never does any damage and self-made bombs, which has killed innocent people. However it is not aggression but retaliation. There's a huge difference. For instance, Israel is building more settlements in the WB, when it is Palestinian land. So, thus comes retaliation, because no one else is stopping it. Not all Muslims are violent just like not all Christians are Evangelicals.
We've been over this "which came first, the chicken or the egg" argument and will never agree. To me the Palestinians aren't willing to live in peace and launching rockets and suicide bombings against a civillian population is an agressive act. To a liberal spinmaster propagandist, these actions are justified. In essence, you support terrorism.
No, it isn't. What indisputed "fact" led you to that conclusion? None whatsoever.
"Not all Muslims are violent"
Nobody said otherwise, idiot. See, you add that last line to make all unreasonable positions you made prior seem "reasonable" yet nobody was arguing that position in the first place.
@lthom33 LOL you sound like the peole who cry foul when the police shoot someone while in the commission of a violent crime. you defend the criminal and blame the people defending themselves or others.
@whitemanwaydownsouth It's crazy people like this Ithom character that convince me beyond any doubt of the importance of keeping these people out of power.
@lthom33 "self-made bimbs, which has killed innocent people. However it is not aggression but retaliation. There's a huge difference."
Too bad Obama isn't as honest as you are in your defense of terrorism and justification of violence against civillian populations. The things you say really expose your true colors, don't they?
@lthom33 "kick a dog several times it's going to bite back"
That's exactly what happened when Israel finally retaliated and defended itself against rocket attacks and bombings perpetrated by the radical muslims.
@Darkrift777 Oh please! And, what do you call the Israel leader having armed forces going into refugee camps and wiping out hundreds of defenseless woman and children 34 times? A retaliation or a senseless slaughter of innocents? OR, Jewish Zions going door to door and forcing families out of their homes with the threat of death? Get off your soap box and learn about the real world. It's people like you that give Americans the name "idiots" in Europe.
@lthom33 "armed forces going into refugee camps wiping out defenseless woman and children 34 times"
These alleged actions are what you claim to be "genocide"? I should have known! You kook!
"senseless slaughter of innocents?"
Says who? There is always more to a story than that. You honestly expect people to believe that Israel storms camps of innocent people and exterminate them for no reason, eh? Get a clue, you dingbat drone.
Real nice. All you did was parrot back my observation about your ignorance. Yet you provide no basis to make such an evaluation of my knowledge. tsk tsk troll
@Darkrift777 It's a fact, Jack. Why you would think you can just peddle your BS to just anyone and think they would buy it is not a stimulate brain wave.
Heard a great review of the movie about Sarah Palin ~ Game Changer on the Dennis Miller show as he was talking with Orson Bean (father-in-law of Andrew Breitbart.) The movie's too over-the-top with the lies & mischaracterizations of Palin ~ like the libs are trying too hard to even convince themselves of what they know is patently FALSE.
A people may be defined by nationality or a distinct culture, religion or language.
There has never been a Muslim or Arab Palestinian state. Muslims did not use the term Palestinian to refer to themselves until the 1960s. Not surprisingly there is also no unique Palestinian language, religion, or unique Palestinian culture separate from the surrounding Islamic/Arabic nations from which these people immigrated.
@esj8341 Native American Indians had their own land long after the Jews lost their home land. The Dome Of the Rock has replaced the old Temples for over a thousand years. The UN should step in and declare Jerusalem a city of all three faiths. It should also declare what is today shall remain forever.
Just like to note that you attempted to insult Newt for calling Palestinians an invented people yet when challenged to explain what you meant you simply change the subject.
@john777316 Jews never lost their land. There has always been Jewish ownership of the Holy Land since Abraham first settled there. And there has always been a Jewish presence there since that time until today. The Native Americans were constantly fighting & changing their locations/lands.
@john777316 Each Native American tribe also has their own unique culture, religion, and language, etc. Not so for fakeastinians who're are just displaced Arabs. All the Arab countries should immediately grant their fakeastinians Right of Return to any Arab country of their choosing instead of keeping them enslaved for Arab political purposes on Arab plantations where their Arab masters treat them brutally.
@john777316 You lian muslim! Why the hell don't you just say it you coward? You are nothing but a damn Jew hater. Man john...you make yourself such a target..and it's very easy to see thru you...
The donors — including an adviser to investor George Soros and San Francisco-based philanthropist Rob McKay — will hear from Vice President Joe Biden and from one of the movement’s most influential strategists, Rob Stein, who urges a strategy of state-based organizing. The donors will even get a lesson in building a movement from one of the most influential organizers on the right, Grover Norquist, the founder of Americans for Tax Reform.
This is one story that seemed hard to believe at first. But the left-leaning Democracy Alliance confirmed to me that Grover Norquist did in fact speak at its invite-only conference for top Democratic donors last night. Norquist was reportedly there to advise influential progressives — including an adviser to George Soros — about how to create a successful political organizing strategy.
He pleaded guilty in federal court to illegal financial transactions with Gaddafi’s government. Abdurahman Alamoudi also funded Norquist’s Islamic Free Market Institute.
It is time for those who take the toughest line against any federal taxes to find a new leader, rather than build credibility for someone trying so hard to undermine the only democracy in the region, Israel, and our efforts against terrorism.
In but one example, Norquist has close ties to Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is now serving 17 years in prison for financing terrorism. Alamoudi, an ardent supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas, was a client of — and gave tens of thousands of dollars to — the lobbying group Janus-Merritt Strategies, which Norquist co-founded. Alamoudi admitted his role in a Libyan conspiracy to assassinate Saudi Arabia’s then-Crown Prince Abdullah in 2004.
Grover Norquist uses his positions on tax policy to build a following and credibility in Washington. What his op-ed does not reveal is that he then uses that credibility to attack Israel. In fact, few with credibility in mainstream American politics have more ties to supporters of Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations than Grover Norquist.
No, RomneyCare is just for the states, Romney says. But according to Buzzfeed, Romney suggested otherwise in July of 2009:
Health care cannot be handled the same way as the stimulus and cap-and-trade bills. With those, the president stuck to the old style of lawmaking: He threw in every special favor imaginable, ground it up and crammed it through a partisan Democratic Congress. Health care is simply too important to the economy, to employment and to America’s
@john777316 to be larded up and rushed through on an artificial deadline. There’s a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it.
Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn’t have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits,
@john777316 as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others. This doesn’t cost the government a single dollar. Second, we helped pay for our new program by ending an old one — something government should do more often. The federal government sends an estimated $42 billion to hospitals that care for the poor: Use those funds instead to help the poor buy private insurance, as we did.
"Grover Norquist's background is no secret. His tax mask has worn thin. It was old five years ago. Grover Norquist is toxic and should be persona non grata in the Republican Party. He is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. And has been exposed as the recipient of huge donations from a Brotherhood figure who is now in jail for financing terror activity"
yet the muslim bashing anti-islamists on this thread look the other way about their tax guru
"It has transformed American politics." -- Jonathan Alter, Newsweek
"Signing it has become de riguer for GOP candidates running for federal or statewide offices across the country." -- The Hill
"Americans for Tax Reform's Taxpayer Protection Pledge has solidified opposition to tax increases in Congress and state legislatures over the years." -- Michael Barone
For GOPers the Pledge supersedes the Constitution.
Nobody wants a president who acts as the passive instrument of even generallypopular groups like labor unions. (Did you know that—despite decades of declining popularity—unions still have an approval rating of 52%? I didn’t until I looked it up.)
But a candidate who appeases the most disliked people in national politics? That guy will command neither public affection nor respect.
This is not a very complimentary assessment of Romney’s leadership. It’s also not a very realistic political program: congressional Republicans have a disapproval rating of about 75%. If Americans get the idea that a vote for Romney is a vote for the Ryan plan, Romney is more or less doomed.
To date, sad to say, Romney has worked hard to confirm this image of weakness.
@john777316 Congress in its entirety has only a 9% approval rating! If the GOP have a disapproval of 75%, What is the disapproval of congressional demoKKKrats??
Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.
All we have to do is replace Obama. … We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.
The most quoted speech at CPAC this year was Mitt Romney’s, but my vote for the most significant goes to Grover Norquist’s. In his charmingly blunt way, Norquist articulated out loud a case for Mitt Romney that you hear only whispered by other major conservative leaders.
They have reconciled themselves to a Romney candidacy because they see Romney as essentially a weak and passive president who will concede leadership to congressional conservatives:
khanacademy org is an awesome free learning site. pass it on to all school age kids you know.
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Did anyone see the former head of MOSSAD agree with Obama that there is plenty of time to wait to attack Iran?
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Hopocricy at it's finest...Stay out of my bedroom and womb, but pay for my contraceptive!!! Shit! Slap A Liberal !
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Today we are learning the true cost of a 10 year dead end war. Our soldiers are tired and want to come home and we should do so immediately. There is no win in the war so cut our loses and bring them home.
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[Norquist] raised an issue we get all the time which is, 'Well there's nothing stopping you guys from paying higher taxes, just send a check to the government!' And this to me is frankly an absurd position; I don't consider it to be a very serious argument. Government is not a charity and we can't rely on voluntary contributions from people to support the things that government does. And I also said to him,
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And I also said to him, 'Look would you be willing to sign a pledge where you're willing to forgo all the benefits that government provides? Are you willing to sign a pledge that says you don't want the U.S. military to protect you? That you will refuse to contact the police if somebody steals from you? That you will refuse to contact the fire department if your house is on fire? Because that's the equivalent!
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Why should you get a free ride? Why should you benefit from my willingness to support the government? Let's do it together.' And he said, 'If I don't have to pay any taxes for it, I would forgo all those things!' To which my response was, 'Well there's an easy way to do that, move to Somalia!' And his argument was, 'Somalia doesn't suffer from too little government, it suffers from too much government.' I don't even begin to understand what that means, but again there's only so much you
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in these conversations.
Regarding Somalia, Norquist said Thursday that the government there doesn't do enough to promote liberty.
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In an interview with The Huffington Post, Norquist felt the group only represented liberal interests.
"They were there with a heavy partisan message," Norquist told HuffPost Thursday. "The kinds of arguments I got from these old people weren't interesting when I was 12, the left has not advanced. These guys are Democratic Party hacks."
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WASHINGTON -- Patriotic Millionaires for Fiscal Strength, millionaires who want the government to tax them more, met with foremost anti-tax guru Grover Norquist in Washington late Wednesday afternoon. Not surprisingly, they couldn't find common ground -- and ended up debating the state of Somalia.
john777316 4 hours ago
@john777316 Patriotic Millionaires, a group of 200-plus people making more than $1 million per year (including actress Edie Falco and economist Nouriel Roubini, among others), believe that America has been good to them and that it is their duty to give back. "[The government] provided a foundation through which we could succeed," writes the group on their website. "Now, we want to do our part to keep that foundation strong so that others can succeed as we have."
john777316 4 hours ago
In a twisted way, right-wing poor Corporate Toolsare very principled. They believe what they believe very sincerely, and they're passionate enough that they openly sacrifice their own self-interests in voting for GOP give-every-penny-to-the-wealthy. They're screwing themselves, but they think they're doing it out of morals and principles.
This is where the GOP is able to lead them like the sheep they are. As long as the GOP can place themselves as authoritarian alpha dog, the sheep follow.
QueenieSarahPalin 4 hours ago
@QueenieSarahPalin "voting for GOP give-every-penny-to-the-wealthy"
So says the liberal propaganda, but how exactly is the GOP giving to the wealthy? Your class envy/warfare isn't very well thought through though you sure do preach a lot.
Darkrift777 3 hours ago
Every election cycle, Grover Norquist and the Americans for Tax Reform get out the campaign finance carrot and lure politicians into signing the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. Of course, some members of the GOP are already tax hawks and would hold that position without Norquist, but when a politician refuses to sign on, Norquist shoves that carrot up ...well, let's just say he performs acts that could be criminalized even under Lawrence v. Texas.
john777316 4 hours ago
"Grover Norquist is rightly feeling the heat. It is the height of absurdity for him to claim that his 'no tax' pledge is furthering bipartisan efforts to fix our economic problems," said Doug Kendall, founder and president of the Constitutional Accountability Center. "Even anti-tax conservatives such as Senator Tom Coburn and Representative Frank Wolf agree Gridlock Grover's pledge is crippling Washington."
john777316 4 hours ago
@john777316 "Gridlock Grover's"
I would call him "Gollum Grover", since he is an evil vile scumbag who wants his "precious", and screw the USA.
QueenieSarahPalin 4 hours ago
*bombs
Darkrift777 5 hours ago
"Palestine's violence is old rockets that never does any damage" is about the nuttiest thing I've heard a wingnut say in quite a long while.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
REPUBLICANS NEED TO PULL TOGETHER AND MAKE SANTORUM THE NOMINEE. SANTORUM/PALIN TICKET IS EXACTLY WHAT REPUBLICANS DESERVE.
kathy160 8 hours ago
@kathy160 And progressives need to pull heads out of asses and wake up to the fact that voting for a known failure as the current president is will only get you more of the same failure. You are destroying yourselves with the longer you try to hold on to power - and you don't even get it.
Darkrift777 8 hours ago
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@Darkrift777 heheheheh
CherB313 6 hours ago
@kathy160 YES, please do so!!!!! I would greatly enjoy watching President Obama wipe the floor with him..
lthom33 7 hours ago
@lthom33 Obama couldn't win anything that was "off teleprompter". We've seen him. Now, he doesn't have empty promises of "hope and change" to rally his jack-booted storm troopers. If asked actual honest questions by a true mediator, he wouldn't stand a chance because he would have no answer as to why he didn't deliver his "hope and change" or any of the other empty promises.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 You confuse Obama with that idiot from Texas. Obama is an eloquent speaker and I cannot WAIT until he begins his eloquence to wipe the floor with ANY of the clowns the GOP want to call a "candidate." Also, Obama has fulfilled ALL of his campaign promises. I guess FAUX news hasn't reported that -figures! As I can recall, Obama beat the shit out of McCain w/honest answers. Yes, there's history again coming up to bite you in the ass and make your comments foolish.
lthom33 7 hours ago
@lthom33 "You confuse Obama"
Nope. Obama's a failure, pure and simple. There is very little that he touches that hasn't turned to shit. He's a Bush clone in terms of policy. He's a stutterer and is only capable of reading from a teleprompter. He is only as eloquent as his speech writer permits. Obama can not address actual issues, instead he panders to the lowest common denominator (his voter base) by promising empty platitudes such as "hope and change" that the mindless gobble up.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Sorry to inform you yet again, that Obama is not a failure. He will be a second term president, so just deal with it.
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 Obama is indeed a failure, but even failures can be a second term president. You've seen as much with Bush and may see the same with Obama. History repeats itself as they say.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "He will be a second term president, so just deal with it."
Already been stocking up on food and supplies for just such a disaster, but thank you all the same for the warning. You know, the more liberals actually remain in power, the more they erode the rights of the people but at the same time the more Americans wake up to the horrors of anti American "progressivism"/socialism. They don't like what you and your ilk have to offer, despite being tempted by subjective rhetoric.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 so record unemployment,record foreclosures, record govt bailouts, record corporate welfare, screwing the american taxpayer, disreguarding the constitution by recess appointments while senate was in session, war w/libya without congressional approval, union favoritism,obamacare mandates that throw middle class americans to the wolves of big insurance and racehustling. what in the world could you say to justify four more years of this? what has obama done ofr anyone who is not wealthy?
whitemanwaydownsouth 6 hours ago
@whitemanwaydownsouth I remember watching the footage of a black woman who thought that Obama was for the "little guy" and would help her pay for her gas (out of his "stash") in exchange for her vote. That's what his so-called "hopey changey" meant to her. Sad how she was so gullible to be duped. Maybe next time she'll learn her lesson.
Darkrift777 5 hours ago
@Darkrift777 she will not, she will vote for obama again even though he did nothing for her the first term ,and will do nothing for her if reelected.
whitemanwaydownsouth 5 hours ago
@whitemanwaydownsouth I think you are correct.
Darkrift777 5 hours ago
@lthom33 "there's history again coming up to bite you in the ass"
I never said McCain wasn't beat. McCain is the most left wing of the GOP. A strong wind could beat him as he has no substance. You however forget the landslide victory against progressivism/socialism as in 2010 you lost more seats than you had since the 50's.
"w/honest answers"
Name a few. Come on propagandist.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 The reason Democrats lost so many seats was because of the economy George W. Bush left behind and Americans were angry about it. Seems you are the one guilty of "omitting" facts. Propagandist? LOL Just watch the debates and research. This way, you cannot call me such names, Mr. Objective (great sarcasm) .
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "The reason Democrats lost so many seats was because of the economy George W. Bush..."
So, it's the Democrats that lost the seats because of the mean Republican administration? LOL silly nincompoop. Obviously the American people disagree with you there and rightly put quite a lot of blame on the Obama admin and democrats - where it is due.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "watch the debates"
I look forward to seeing the gaffes that the idiot liberal demigod/messiah will put himself through. Yes indeed.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 The fact of the matter is, you leftists will spin placing blame on any other administration but the liberal ones. You will never man up and accept fault for anything. How many years need to go by before you acknowledge responsibility for this current administration? It's been nearly 4 years. Do you need 8? How about a decade before you admit some responsibility for your actions?
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@Darkrift777
I read your exchange with Ithom33 with great admiration for your patience. As you pointed out, Ithom does not know the difference between fact and opinion e.g. "Israel is evil" let alone possess the objectively to evaluate Israel's sovereignty.
Having said that, IMHO I give Ithom credit for at least trying to have an honest exchange. Queenie, Clay, and the rest of their legion are simply trolls.
esj8341 3 hours ago
@esj8341 Very true. Many libs have no conception of the difference between fact vs fiction or truth vs opinion. She is honestly crazy enough to believe that it is a "FACT" that "Israel is evil", and she believes it to the point where she justifies and celebrates the slaughter of Israeli civillians by palestinian terrorists based on that assumption. It's really sick. Queenie, Clay, and the like no doubt believe much of the same, yet they know that to actually come clean hurts their position.
Darkrift777 3 hours ago
@Darkrift777
Re: Queenie, Clay
Prejudice is more dangerous than the most stubborn adherence to real differences of opinion regarding rights.
esj8341 1 hour ago
@esj8341 indeed
whitemanwaydownsouth 1 hour ago
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@lthom33 "The reason Democrats lost so many seats was because of the economy George W. Bush left behind and Americans were angry about it. "
Right, the OBAMA creed: The Buck stops with George W. Bush! Pathetic after 4 years.
Romulus307 4 hours ago
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@lthom33 Bush's economy was an unemployment average of 5.2% just like the average for the Clinton years. Obama's an UTTER FAILURE as potus and needs to GO!
aterbombusavis 21 minutes ago
@lthom33 "Obama is an eloquent speaker and I cannot WAIT until he begins his eloquence to wipe the floor with ANY of the clowns the GOP want "
Nobody gives a shit about his eloquence when he's using it to stop the Keystone pipeline and lie about the economy.
Romulus307 4 hours ago
the clownshoes are downrating the truth that they fear. that says more than any liberal troll can type in 500 characters.
whitemanwaydownsouth 10 hours ago
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Since it's Sunday...I will tell you about something I looked up last night....it was ishmael's descendants... I went to wikipedia, a totally false claim about ismael, yet a great idea on what islam teaches....the fabrication that Abraham was married to hagar is bs...but they believe this to be true...
CherB313 10 hours ago
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A friend sent me a link...obozo can be impeached RIGHT now for by passing congress as far as rules for war...it was bliss, really a little piece heaven on earth reading this...
CherB313 10 hours ago
Is President Barack Obama America’s most “Biblically-hostile U.S. president?” This is the label that conservative historian David Barton has given Obama, as the nation continues its debate over the president’s controversial contraceptive mandate.
But for Barton, the situation transcends the current discussion about religious freedom and the Catholic Church, as the frequent guest on Glenn Beck’s radio and television shows develops his provocative argument in detail.
footstomp1 12 hours ago
@footstomp1 David Barton clearly doesn't know or care that millions of Catholic women use contraceptives and that they have a right to obtain them. Also, Barton used the word "hostility" as a tool to attack Obama. He clearly wants people to believe that there's a "war" going on. Well, there is. BUT, it's Barton who is declaring war against women and these types have no placement in today's society.
lthom33 8 hours ago
@lthom33 "a tool to attack Obama"
Boo hoo. How dare he.
"declaring war against women"
That's absurd and you know it.
Darkrift777 8 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Boo hoo nothing. I doubt any reasonable person will read Barton's book accept the right-wing religious zealots. And, when any person attempts to remove a woman's rights it is a war against them.
lthom33 7 hours ago
@lthom33 "I doubt any reasonable person"
But you aren't a reasonable person. It's rare that I find a progressive that is. You are incapable of understanding anything that conflicts with your ill-conceived predetermined notions.
"when any person attempts to remove a woman's rights it is a war against them"
Perhaps so, but that is not happening here. No rights are being removed at all.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 I've had my much needed break for the lunacy of your posts and now can respond to a few. You calling anyone "unreasonable" or "incapable of understanding" is just laughable. On the other hand, rights are being removed due to religious zealots who think their ideologies matter when they do not.
lthom33 32 minutes ago
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@lthom33 What "rights are being removed due to religious zealots...?"
aterbombusavis 13 minutes ago
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@lthom33 Obama/Sebelius/Marxist Dems are attempting to remove All Americans' Rights.
aterbombusavis 37 minutes ago
@lthom33 In this alleged "war against women", who is taking away the availability of contraceptives, hmm? Who is banning condoms? Anyone actually removing birth control pills from the shelves? No, no and more no. Wingnut, nobody buys your spin. Not now, not ever. Your argument is spoon fed to you by propagandists who didn't even think their position through. They just use platitudes to try to sway public opinion while omitting and altering facts to their benefit.
Darkrift777 8 hours ago
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@lthom33 It's all about Obama, Sebelius, Marxist Dem War Against the American People, our economy & our Constitutional Freedoms.
aterbombusavis 46 minutes ago
Lincoln was just another lying yankee politician who would continue to impose an unfair tax burden. Lincoln did not want to go down in history as the man who caused the South to secede so he chose to kill his fellow Americans in the name of “unity.”
VincentTruth 19 hours ago
@VincentTruth You know nothing of history it seems. That's unfortunate.
Darkrift777 17 hours ago
How is Abraham Lincoln a Conservative; HE HATED CORPORATIONS and undermined States Rights, did he not?
Very much like another Liberal Republican Theodor Roosevelt.
VincentTruth 19 hours ago
@VincentTruth Read a little more b4 making a statement like that about Lincoln...
CherB313 19 hours ago
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all I can say after watching GAME CHANGE is that if it was only 50% true it was a sad fucking joke the GOP was playing on the American people. To even think Palin was ready for prime time was the biggest failure of the GOP in the last 100 years.
john777316 20 hours ago
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@john777316 Analysis on the Dennis Miller show said the GOP was foolish to rush her into the spotlight w/ Charlie Gibson. But the rest of the movie was a complete fraud. It simply never happened that way. It's only about 1% true & that's just that they got Palin's look right. Sarah's taken a bad hand (McCain campaign) & turned it into a successful career. She was a great leader in Alaska before that. She's a bright, amazing woman all around ~ far more accomplished than most whiny lib females.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
Abraham Lincoln was hated during his administration and went against the peoples will. Obama will be rewritten in history as great, just like Lincoln was rewritten.
VincentTruth 20 hours ago
@VincentTruth bullshit
CherB313 20 hours ago
Illinois State Register (Aug. 4, 1864):
“Today ‘Massa Linkums’ day of fasting, humiliation, and prayer. As the Register thinks the nation has ample reason for fasting, because Lincoln has made food so high; for humiliation at the disgrace his miserable imbecile policies have brought upon us; and for prayer that God, in his goodness, will spare us a second term of such a President, the day will be observed by the employees of this establishment, and no paper may be expected tomorrow.’
VincentTruth 19 hours ago
LaCrosse Democrat (Aug. 29, 1864):
“The man who votes for Lincoln now is a traitor. Lincoln is a traitor and murderer. He who pretending to war for, wars against the Constitution of our country is a traitor, and Lincoln is one of those men. He who calls and allures men to certain butchery is a murderer, and Lincoln has done this…if he is elected to misgovern for another four years, we trust some bold hand will pierce his heart with dagger point for the public good.”
VincentTruth 19 hours ago
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@VincentTruth AWESOME!!
john777316 19 hours ago
@VincentTruth He wanted to let the confederates succeede...but Davis wouldn't budge...Davis was a stubborn old goat...Nope...
CherB313 19 hours ago
@CherB313 You sound like Ithom33 making excuses for Obama, heheh.
VincentTruth 19 hours ago
@VincentTruth you sound like john..
CherB313 19 hours ago
@CherB313 So since he has attacked Catholics and Protestants, one is tempted to say that he is anti-Christian. But that, too, would be inaccurate. He has been equally disrespectful in his appalling treatment of religious Jews in general and Israel in particular. So perhaps the most accurate description of his antipathy toward Catholics, Protestants, religious Jews, and the Jewish nation would be to characterize him as anti-Biblical.
footstomp1 12 hours ago
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@footstomp1 Hi foot...yes this is all true...but in the video he says "my muslim faith". The guy corrects him but the cats let out of the bag...The fact is, muslims are allowed to lie. Billy Graham nails him when saying he "says he's a Christian". ..if it's for the benefit of allah and islam they can LIE!
CherB313 10 hours ago
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@CherB313 Obama is behaving precisely like one would expect with his upbringing = izzlum.
aterbombusavis 54 minutes ago
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@CherB313 "you sound like john.."
Youch! That's kind of a low blow...LOL!
Romulus307 10 hours ago
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@Romulus307 Hey Rom....you know I've said this forever...he really does sound like john...
CherB313 10 hours ago
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@CherB313 vincentTruth is a fraud. You many not want to post to him/her at all. It's probably another username of some other liberal on here already.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
@VincentTruth LOL hyou claim to ba against obama, but only attack others who oppose obamas policies, you share the hatred for jews and israel that liberals express so much and keep forgetting that most of us here remember that you fought the obama fight for over a year as darkriffle, dickriffle,dickrift,and redriffle .you praise the efforts of libtrolls,nebtv, mrclaydough and others.
you are fooling nobody, you are a liberal troll. and a poor one at that. you fail on every level loser
whitemanwaydownsouth 11 hours ago
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@whitemanwaydownsouth He's a lib/soc no doubt...don't let him fool you. vt cussed aurora out bigtime...rp is his front so you'll send him PM's...
CherB313 10 hours ago
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@whitemanwaydownsouth OMG! Thanks....that little tidbit just made my day! I busted john as riffle a while back...and he closed his redriffle acct! HAHAHAHA!!!
CherB313 10 hours ago
@whitemanwaydownsouth " you share the hatred for jews and israel that liberals express so much" Why is it, that well informed people cannot share facts about Israel without being called "Israeli haters?" Israel has had an aggressive policy of wiping out the Palestinian people for at least 80 yrs, when Britain FORCED European Jews on their land.They are NOT even true Israelis! I bet if your mother and little sisters were slaughtered like cows you would be singing a different tune.
lthom33 8 hours ago
@lthom33 "aggressive policy of wiping out the Palestinian people for at least 80 yrs"
That's simply not true. The military might of Israel could have wiped out every last Palestinian man, woman, and child if they were so inclined.
"FORCED European Jews on their land"
Which is historic Jewish land. Learn history.
Darkrift777 8 hours ago
@Darkrift777 It is not only true but well documented. also, according to history the Jews were "exiled" from Israel by the Romans in 135 C.E. after the Jews were defeated. Also, their claim that God gave them Israel is a crock as well, because a religion has no right to territorial sovereignty. Most Israelis are secular and non-religious, which is pure hypocrisy that they claim God gave them Israel. Had they not made that claim to Europe, they would not be in Israel today -clever
lthom33 8 hours ago
@lthom33 Yes, yes, I am aware of the exile. Repeating well known history doesn't make your assertions any more reasonable.
"their claim that God gave them Israel is a crock"
You are entitled to your opinion, but the Muslims claim the same.
Darkrift777 8 hours ago
@Darkrift777 It does make it reasonable, when you attempt to claim that Jews have some sort of right to Palestinian land, when Palestinians have lived there since dirt was invented. Because Europe forces "misplaced European Jews" on Palestinian land after the Holocaust does NOT make it Jewish land. It makes it Jewish land that was historically given to them by Europe not God or willing Palestinian people. Worse they are stealing MORE land & killing innocent people. Get over yourself
lthom33 7 hours ago
@lthom33 "Jews have some sort of right to Palestinian land"
Sure, if you begin with the false premise that it IS Palestinian land in the first place - which it isn't. Dolt.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Hey, scatter brain. Israel became a Nation in 1948 by way of the Europeans. So, ask yourself a simple question: Who occupied the land that is now known as "Israel?" before the Europeans decided to place them all there?
Oh, that is another hard question for you to answer.
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "Israel became a Nation in 1948"
And they existed as a nation back during the Romans, as history has shown. It's well known and there is archaeological evidence to show where the jewish people claimed their home. Simply because the people that call themselves "palestinians" decided to move into vacated settlements previously inhabited by the Jews doesn't make it "theirs".
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "that is another hard question"
It's a simple one, actually. If this is what you consider difficult, then no wonder you are as simple minded as I have proven here today. We can argue "which came first, the chicken or the egg" regarding palestinian/israeli violence all day and never agree. The indisputed fact is you don't believe Israel should be in what you consider "Palestinian" land. I completely disagree with your OPINION on the matter.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
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@lthom33 Jews OWNED the land prior to more European Jews coming back home.
aterbombusavis 31 minutes ago
@lthom33 Do you dispute the fact that the land was occupied and owned by jews before the Roman Empire exiled them? You don't have to believe it was "ordained by God" to accept historic facts, madam. You just have to be non-brainwashed.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Absolutely! Since prehistoric times the land was ruled by Hebrews, Egyptians, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, and Turks. No one "owned" land, as it could be given up in battle.Palestine comprised parts of modern Israel, the WB & Gaza, Jordan, & Egypt; also known as the Holy Land. In the Bible, Palestine is called "Canaan" before the invasion of Joshua. That's if you want to get technical.
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "No one owned land"
False statement. Land was most definitely "owned".
"it could be given up in battle"
That is quite profound of you, dummy. Land could ALWAYS be given up in battle. It's been that way since forever and still applies.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
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@Darkrift777 Jews have owned land there since Abraham. And there has been an uninterrupted Jewish ownerhsip ever since. There has never not been Jewish ownership and presence from then to this day.
aterbombusavis 26 minutes ago
@lthom33 "if you want to get technical"
I didn't see a need, just as I don't see the need to refer to the crusades in this discussion of modern day events. The simple fact is that in your opinion you don't believe the state of Israel should exist or at least not exist in what you believe is "palestine". I disagree with your assessment because it goes beyond the scope of facts and relies heavily on your distorted perspective.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
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@lthom33 Wrong. It's been Jewish land since Abraham first owned land there.
aterbombusavis 29 minutes ago
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@lthom33 All Jewish land was obtained legally. None was "stolen," as you claim. That is a patently FALSE leftist/muslim talking point.
aterbombusavis 39 minutes ago
@lthom33 You are intentionally omitting all palestinian/muslim violence and exaggerating Israeli responses to that violence. That is a distortion and quite dishonest of you. Adding snippets of fact surrounding the Roman exile doesn't add credibility to your disgusting opinionated drivel.
Darkrift777 8 hours ago
@Darkrift777 No, I am not omitting anything. I was commenting on how "liberals" are singled out for "hating" Jews, while the right-wing seem to ignore history and Israel's own violence against Muslims. If you want to debate or discuss the Palestinian then I will do so. They are wrong too, but you kick a dog several times it's going to bite back. You have no sense of history, present or past, yet attempt to debate the topic. That's just messed up to me.
lthom33 7 hours ago
@lthom33 "I am not omitting anything"
I never expected you to be honest enough to admit it. That's my whole point.
"liberals are singled out for hating Jews"
Because you ally yourselves with muslim violence in your justification of palestinian violence. You omitted mention of palestinian violence altogether in your quest to claim Israel are "systematically murdering Palestinians". You are ill-infomed, brainwashed, and have a worthless standardly liberal perspective on the whole matter.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Discussing history & "Israel's aggression" against Palestine is not omitting anything. I'm repeating history not aligning myself with Muslim violence or trying to justify violence in anyway. I am simply pointing out the fact that it is Israel who are the aggressors. The Palestinian violence is retaliation by missiles not hitting their mark and suicidal bombings. I mean, who wants to blow themselves up to be heard? You are not capable of being objective
lthom33 7 hours ago
@lthom33 "is not omitting anything"
It is if you deliberately omit palestinian violence (which you most certainly did).
"I'm repeating history" - as interpreted from a leftwing anti semitic kook site.
"Israel who are the aggressors"
In your opinion. Not historic fact. Can't you make the distinction?
"who wants to blow themselves up to be heard"
Those who believe that they will receive 77 virgins if they die for Allah.
"You are not capable of being objective"
Hypocritical statement.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Palestine's violence is old rockets that never does any damage and self-made bombs, which has killed innocent people. However it is not aggression but retaliation. There's a huge difference. For instance, Israel is building more settlements in the WB, when it is Palestinian land. So, thus comes retaliation, because no one else is stopping it. Not all Muslims are violent just like not all Christians are Evangelicals.
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "rockets that never does any damage"
You're a hopeless basket case living in denial.
"it is not aggression but retaliation"
We've been over this "which came first, the chicken or the egg" argument and will never agree. To me the Palestinians aren't willing to live in peace and launching rockets and suicide bombings against a civillian population is an agressive act. To a liberal spinmaster propagandist, these actions are justified. In essence, you support terrorism.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "it is Palestinian land"
No, it isn't. What indisputed "fact" led you to that conclusion? None whatsoever.
"Not all Muslims are violent"
Nobody said otherwise, idiot. See, you add that last line to make all unreasonable positions you made prior seem "reasonable" yet nobody was arguing that position in the first place.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 LOL you sound like the peole who cry foul when the police shoot someone while in the commission of a violent crime. you defend the criminal and blame the people defending themselves or others.
the liberal mind is a strange place
whitemanwaydownsouth 5 hours ago
@whitemanwaydownsouth It's crazy people like this Ithom character that convince me beyond any doubt of the importance of keeping these people out of power.
Darkrift777 5 hours ago
@lthom33 "self-made bimbs, which has killed innocent people. However it is not aggression but retaliation. There's a huge difference."
Too bad Obama isn't as honest as you are in your defense of terrorism and justification of violence against civillian populations. The things you say really expose your true colors, don't they?
Darkrift777 5 hours ago
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@lthom33 It's disputed land, not fakeastinian land.
aterbombusavis 19 minutes ago
@lthom33 "kick a dog several times it's going to bite back"
That's exactly what happened when Israel finally retaliated and defended itself against rocket attacks and bombings perpetrated by the radical muslims.
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 Oh please! And, what do you call the Israel leader having armed forces going into refugee camps and wiping out hundreds of defenseless woman and children 34 times? A retaliation or a senseless slaughter of innocents? OR, Jewish Zions going door to door and forcing families out of their homes with the threat of death? Get off your soap box and learn about the real world. It's people like you that give Americans the name "idiots" in Europe.
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "armed forces going into refugee camps wiping out defenseless woman and children 34 times"
These alleged actions are what you claim to be "genocide"? I should have known! You kook!
"senseless slaughter of innocents?"
Says who? There is always more to a story than that. You honestly expect people to believe that Israel storms camps of innocent people and exterminate them for no reason, eh? Get a clue, you dingbat drone.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "You have no sense of history"
Real nice. All you did was parrot back my observation about your ignorance. Yet you provide no basis to make such an evaluation of my knowledge. tsk tsk troll
Darkrift777 7 hours ago
@Darkrift777 It's a fact, Jack. Why you would think you can just peddle your BS to just anyone and think they would buy it is not a stimulate brain wave.
I've got your troll, idiot
lthom33 6 hours ago
@lthom33 "think you can just peddle your BS to just anyone"
You on the left do that very thing on a daily basis. It's a good thing people like myself are here to expose your filthy actions.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
@lthom33 You are just a hateful leftwing radial propagandist and you hate being called out and exposed.
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
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@lthom33 "It's a fact"
And again, no, your opinion and distorted interpretation of events does not equate to "fact".
Darkrift777 6 hours ago
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@Darkrift777 Right, Israelis supply food & water & free medical care to the fakeastinians.
aterbombusavis 43 minutes ago
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@Darkrift777 It's also always LEGALLY been Jewish land by virtue of their ownership.
aterbombusavis 51 minutes ago
I was on another YT board listening to o talking about voter's fraud...no real surprises again...may he rot...
CherB313 22 hours ago
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Heard a great review of the movie about Sarah Palin ~ Game Changer on the Dennis Miller show as he was talking with Orson Bean (father-in-law of Andrew Breitbart.) The movie's too over-the-top with the lies & mischaracterizations of Palin ~ like the libs are trying too hard to even convince themselves of what they know is patently FALSE.
aterbombusavis 22 hours ago
@aterbombusavis Really...I'm not surprised..
CherB313 22 hours ago
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GAME CHANGE!!
john777316 22 hours ago
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Newt Gingrich’s Close, Decades-Long Friendship w/ Jihad Grover Norquist Trumps Campaign Statements on Israel, Invented “Palestinians”
john777316 23 hours ago
@john777316
A people may be defined by nationality or a distinct culture, religion or language.
There has never been a Muslim or Arab Palestinian state. Muslims did not use the term Palestinian to refer to themselves until the 1960s. Not surprisingly there is also no unique Palestinian language, religion, or unique Palestinian culture separate from the surrounding Islamic/Arabic nations from which these people immigrated.
esj8341 21 hours ago
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@esj8341 Native American Indians had their own land long after the Jews lost their home land. The Dome Of the Rock has replaced the old Temples for over a thousand years. The UN should step in and declare Jerusalem a city of all three faiths. It should also declare what is today shall remain forever.
john777316 20 hours ago
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@john777316 Oh and if the Jews do not like it then Christians should side with the Muslims in the battle against the Jews that the Jews are starting.
john777316 20 hours ago
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@john777316 Izzlum isn't a religion. Christans who "side with Muslims" = Chrislam--a pseudo-religion/militant leftist movement.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
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Just like to note that you attempted to insult Newt for calling Palestinians an invented people yet when challenged to explain what you meant you simply change the subject.
Nice one, John.
esj8341 18 hours ago
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@john777316 Jews never lost their land. There has always been Jewish ownership of the Holy Land since Abraham first settled there. And there has always been a Jewish presence there since that time until today. The Native Americans were constantly fighting & changing their locations/lands.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
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@john777316 The UN is not God.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
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@john777316 Each Native American tribe also has their own unique culture, religion, and language, etc. Not so for fakeastinians who're are just displaced Arabs. All the Arab countries should immediately grant their fakeastinians Right of Return to any Arab country of their choosing instead of keeping them enslaved for Arab political purposes on Arab plantations where their Arab masters treat them brutally.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
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@john777316 You lian muslim! Why the hell don't you just say it you coward? You are nothing but a damn Jew hater. Man john...you make yourself such a target..and it's very easy to see thru you...
CherB313 10 hours ago
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@esj8341 The Arab countries should grant all fakeastinians immediate Right of Return to any Arab country of their choosing. Problem solved.
aterbombusavis 13 hours ago
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The donors — including an adviser to investor George Soros and San Francisco-based philanthropist Rob McKay — will hear from Vice President Joe Biden and from one of the movement’s most influential strategists, Rob Stein, who urges a strategy of state-based organizing. The donors will even get a lesson in building a movement from one of the most influential organizers on the right, Grover Norquist, the founder of Americans for Tax Reform.
john777316 23 hours ago
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This is one story that seemed hard to believe at first. But the left-leaning Democracy Alliance confirmed to me that Grover Norquist did in fact speak at its invite-only conference for top Democratic donors last night. Norquist was reportedly there to advise influential progressives — including an adviser to George Soros — about how to create a successful political organizing strategy.
The L.A. Times first reported the story:
john777316 23 hours ago
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He pleaded guilty in federal court to illegal financial transactions with Gaddafi’s government. Abdurahman Alamoudi also funded Norquist’s Islamic Free Market Institute.
It is time for those who take the toughest line against any federal taxes to find a new leader, rather than build credibility for someone trying so hard to undermine the only democracy in the region, Israel, and our efforts against terrorism.
john777316 1 day ago
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In but one example, Norquist has close ties to Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is now serving 17 years in prison for financing terrorism. Alamoudi, an ardent supporter of Hezbollah and Hamas, was a client of — and gave tens of thousands of dollars to — the lobbying group Janus-Merritt Strategies, which Norquist co-founded. Alamoudi admitted his role in a Libyan conspiracy to assassinate Saudi Arabia’s then-Crown Prince Abdullah in 2004.
john777316 1 day ago
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Grover Norquist uses his positions on tax policy to build a following and credibility in Washington. What his op-ed does not reveal is that he then uses that credibility to attack Israel. In fact, few with credibility in mainstream American politics have more ties to supporters of Hamas, Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations than Grover Norquist.
john777316 1 day ago
john...what's happening to all your posts? hahaha...
CherB313 1 day ago
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@CherB313 I don't know Cherby I still see all of them. do you know something I don't?
john777316 1 day ago
@john777316 Someone's spamming...
CherB313 23 hours ago
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@CherB313 just bringing light to a dark GOP World. Praise Jesus!!!
john777316 23 hours ago
@CherB313 It seems that most of the time people like us get spammed. Turn-about is fair play I guess.
USSJ3 23 hours ago
@USSJ3 Earlier it was us...now it's them....
CherB313 22 hours ago
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GAME CHANGE is Minutes away. Can't wait to see why Maher called her a c word.
john777316 1 day ago
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Taxpayer Protection Pledge
I, , pledge to the taxpayers of the state
of , and to the American people that I will:
ONE, oppose any and all efforts to increase the marginal income tax
rates for individuals and/or businesses; and
TWO, oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits, unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rate
john777316 1 day ago
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No, RomneyCare is just for the states, Romney says. But according to Buzzfeed, Romney suggested otherwise in July of 2009:
Health care cannot be handled the same way as the stimulus and cap-and-trade bills. With those, the president stuck to the old style of lawmaking: He threw in every special favor imaginable, ground it up and crammed it through a partisan Democratic Congress. Health care is simply too important to the economy, to employment and to America’s
john777316 1 day ago
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@john777316 to be larded up and rushed through on an artificial deadline. There’s a better way. And the lessons we learned in Massachusetts could help Washington find it.
Our experience also demonstrates that getting every citizen insured doesn’t have to break the bank. First, we established incentives for those who were uninsured to buy insurance. Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits,
john777316 1 day ago
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@john777316 as others have proposed, encourages “free riders” to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others. This doesn’t cost the government a single dollar. Second, we helped pay for our new program by ending an old one — something government should do more often. The federal government sends an estimated $42 billion to hospitals that care for the poor: Use those funds instead to help the poor buy private insurance, as we did.
john777316 1 day ago
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ultra right wing Pamela [atlasshrugged] Geller:
"Grover Norquist's background is no secret. His tax mask has worn thin. It was old five years ago. Grover Norquist is toxic and should be persona non grata in the Republican Party. He is a front for the Muslim Brotherhood. And has been exposed as the recipient of huge donations from a Brotherhood figure who is now in jail for financing terror activity"
yet the muslim bashing anti-islamists on this thread look the other way about their tax guru
blujesus 1 day ago
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[repost] What is the Taxpayer Protection Pledge?
"It has transformed American politics." -- Jonathan Alter, Newsweek
"Signing it has become de riguer for GOP candidates running for federal or statewide offices across the country." -- The Hill
"Americans for Tax Reform's Taxpayer Protection Pledge has solidified opposition to tax increases in Congress and state legislatures over the years." -- Michael Barone
For GOPers the Pledge supersedes the Constitution.
blujesus 1 day ago
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Mitt Romney badly needs his Sister Souljah moment. Instead, he’s running as Jim DeMint’s doormat.
john777316 1 day ago
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Nobody wants a president who acts as the passive instrument of even generallypopular groups like labor unions. (Did you know that—despite decades of declining popularity—unions still have an approval rating of 52%? I didn’t until I looked it up.)
But a candidate who appeases the most disliked people in national politics? That guy will command neither public affection nor respect.
john777316 1 day ago
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This is not a very complimentary assessment of Romney’s leadership. It’s also not a very realistic political program: congressional Republicans have a disapproval rating of about 75%. If Americans get the idea that a vote for Romney is a vote for the Ryan plan, Romney is more or less doomed.
To date, sad to say, Romney has worked hard to confirm this image of weakness.
john777316 1 day ago
@john777316 Congress in its entirety has only a 9% approval rating! If the GOP have a disapproval of 75%, What is the disapproval of congressional demoKKKrats??
darthduck1000 1 day ago
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The requirement for president?
Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.
john777316 1 day ago
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All we have to do is replace Obama. … We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don’t need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. … We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don’t need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate.
john777316 1 day ago
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The most quoted speech at CPAC this year was Mitt Romney’s, but my vote for the most significant goes to Grover Norquist’s. In his charmingly blunt way, Norquist articulated out loud a case for Mitt Romney that you hear only whispered by other major conservative leaders.
They have reconciled themselves to a Romney candidacy because they see Romney as essentially a weak and passive president who will concede leadership to congressional conservatives:
john777316 1 day ago