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I was a senior as an exchange student back in 1996. American education at that time was a waste. In germany I would have been in 11th grade. Nonetheless I finished on honor roll without reading a book or doing homework at all.
out of my family no kids are doing their exchange year in the states anymore. my nieces are going to chile and australia...
and yes, I had philosphy and everything else in school. but the system is different and is in a process of changing towards lifelong learning.
the american indian learn everything by COMMUNICATION,even communicate with the animals and trees.all ages learn at the same time together,SO THE OLD AND THE YOUNG learn HOW TO communicate,the old teaches the young how to "EXPRESS THEM SELF HONESTLY"..........
I went to high school in Canada, and a philosophy course was offered at the grade 12 level. I REALLY enjoyed it, thought unfortunately I skipped a lot and didn't get as much out of it as I could have.
Most of the public high schools here offer the course, and I think some of the larger Catholic schools, though I'd imagine they'd be more faith centred....
My high school had a philosophy course, taught by the cheerleading coach.
Cheer-gym was an actual elective that could be taken for the same amount of credits you would receive from taking bio 30. That seems a little off to me.
You find most developed european countries that they can speak english very well, and in England barely anybody can speak different languages, we take french and german for like a year, what the fuck are we gonna learn in a year? We need to teach language for a long time very early, so it sinks in, that way we can be more developed full rounded human beings.
Aha... I didn't actually know that Americans don't get long enough to study a subject... The penny sorta dropped there... It explains a lot of inconsistencies in the poor education levels of Americans I meet compared to others... I said Poor education there btw... not intelligence.
My high school DID have philosophy as an elective, but only for seniors. I went to a Catholic high school, where you had to take three years of religious studies, then senior year you could opt out of religious studies in favor of philosophy.
Hey, I'm from Michigan and NO my high school didn't have Philosophy.
To make my opinion very breif, I think the American educational system is royally fucked up and especially once you get to high school. They could give less than a shit about things like Philosophy, Art and Music. Schools don't care about those things!!
Physics pissed me off too (the way it was taught, that is, not the subject itself; I LOVE physics). When they taught us Newtonian Mechanics, they deliberately steered away from intoducing clculus into the class. How the hell can you understand (or appreciate) Newtonian Mechanics without calculus? The class went like this: we would be given a certain equation, have the variables in it defined and then be given problems to work on. THAT"S IT! No explanation of concepts!
This is especially the case in math and physics. I'm extremely dissapointed with how these subjects are taught at my school and so I resolved, out of frustration, to teach myself them (not a problem, since I'm autodidactic anyway). For instance, after seeing how abysmally calculus was taught (and how that bastardized something beautiful) I dropped the class and spent the next few months exploring its wonders myself. I'm now better at it than the AP students.
My High School doesn't have philosophy, but it's located right on a college campus and many students at my school (juniors and seniors) take classes there. I'll be taking philosophy (elective) there next year.
Your point about education is interesting and honestly, I'm not sure one way or the other. What I belive the problem to be is the school's emphasis on rote memorization rather than teaching you the underlying rationale behind something so that you actually understand it. To BE CONTINUED
I'm from America and no, my high school didn't have a philosophy class. And since I'm from the midwest, the majority of our electives were about agriculture which sucked.
In Germany's 'High School' we have to either take religion(christian) or ethical philosophy (most choose the former, as it is easier than the latter - grades do matter in the end) as a class. General Philosophy can be chosen separately from this by anyone. Also, there are currently reforms under way which might make ethics classes mandatory in germany, but I haven't heard anything about that in a while. (cont...)
Ok, can't post comments over a few letters long. To sum up: we cover some fairly in-depth stuff, from Nietzsche, Sartre, problem of personhood and so on, in ethics class.
1. I think teaching courses over five years has its ups and downs, it would be easier to digest the information and you would retain it longer, but if I were to learn something over five years I would get incredibly bored, I kind of like learning, pre-calculus for example at a very fast pace.
My high school does have a philosophy class, it really didn't cover all that much philosophy though, it covered the basic ideas of some of the main philosophical "genres" if you will.
I'm not sure on stretching it... I think the majority of students just don't care enough. and the teachers just see things as a paycheck and dont care enough to assure students are passing and understanding.
My classes were horrible. if you didn't pass you went to a special class to take the course dumbed down that was maybe 2 weeks long.
I failed Biology by 2 points because of chemistry questions on our midterm... Took the quick class and passed in 2 days.
I am from the U.S. and my high school had philosophy as a mandatory class but I go to a charter school so I am an exception since there are only a few states that allow charter schools that are not religiously-affiliated.
I agree that they should teach complex subjects over longer periods of time and rid silly classes.
One could easily walk away with the impression that you think everything other than chemistry or physics is a 'bullshit' subject. How about a little love for the arts- for literature and history- subjects I would opine are perhaps even more important than math and science.
stretched out to help give the students a greater understanding of the material. But it also has to be understood that since the schools have this giant cushion and safety net they only have to do the bare minimum. In other civilized 1st world countries the school systems aren't run this way. Parents have actual choices as to which schools they send their children to and there is real competition to get kids so the schools to the best job
The main problem is that the public schools are run by this massive government unionized monopoly. The teachers are never afraid of getting fired because they have union protection and since the schools have no competition they have no incentive to do better. I agree with what you said though, I think complicated subjects like Algebra 2, calculus, physics, chemistry, biology etc. should be
Your teacher is a BSer. He/she didn't learn physics for 5 years. Before you learn physics, you must learn algebra, geometry, calculus. It's pointless to teach physics unless you learn the math. That means she must have been taught some sesame street physics. Most students abroad are taught english first and the basics(3r's). Then at a certain grade level, they take a placement test which determines if they go to vocational school, workforce, or continue education.
Well, responding on your request, I'm from Portugal and Filosophy is taken by about 95% of the students for 2 years minimum + a 3rd optional year. Physics, Chemistry and Biology for 2 years minimum and then you pick 2 of the above for a 3rd year.
I have a counter question.
What do you guys learn in Highschool if you study these fundamental issues for 1 year only?? I am completely shocked and can't concieve what you guys are doing with your time at school until you reach university.
im from romania and id have to say 1)in romania they teach lets say pgysics from when youre like 10 till youre 18, and it dosent nececeraly work beacause its mandatory, children tend to refuse it beacause its hard to understand at a young age, thus few actualy become good in physics, though yes it would work better i guess. 2)romania, a variety of schools wich all sucked(im now in a british international school, it sucks as well)no, we dont have any philosophy classes.
I think my high school had philosophy, as an elective. Philosophy was also a major part of combined core classes (2 period classes with 1 credit of English and one of History), although that might have been just teacher preference rather than part of the official curriculum.
Then again, my high school was huge and in an upper-middle class neighborhood, so it's probably not representative.
Prof's argument: "I'm a Romanian philosopher telling you the US is going to hell in a handbasket-Cuz it failed to see the looming financial crisis though plain as the nose on its face-Cuz it offers too many electives in school at the expense of physics"
Physics, eh? She's got her finger on the problem, NOT! This is 100% TRUE: the wizards who developed the CDO risk model now bringing down the world's financial systems was created by genius American, Nobel-track Physicists and Mathmaticians.
More - google "Mutual attractions: physics and finance" the title of an article in Physics World, Jan 1 1999. AFTER American financiers (and Europeans, Asians, everybody) began relying on brilliant physicists with their fancy financial math formulas that the money world would come tumbling down.
Not just American physicists, btw. The article bulletined the upcoming meeting of the European Physical Society, leading topic was "applying physics in finance" (ie derivatives), Dublin summer '99.
no, she said nothing of the sort. she said that an intelligent person would have seen the finical crisis coming a mile away, AND the next major crisis will be one of education, as Americans are at a disadvantage for getting the good jobs becuase they have to compete against better educated foreigners.
Either way, we can play the blame game all we want, but it all amounts to a change in American culture. Classes have become more student-focused, politically correct, emotionally-driven that teachers can't resort to the ol' "rulerstick instruction." I'm not saying discipline and fear are the answers--but times have changed. Students and teachers are now, more than ever, of a truly different stock.
Another thing is, think of the cultural differences now in the United States. Just 50 years ago the teacher was viewed as an absolute professional: if Timmy was talking in class, the parents reacted and spanked him--they trusted the teacher's professional judgment. Now, do you know how many fights I get into with parents? None of them argue with their doctors about anything--why are teachers not considered "learned" enough to know when a behavior is acceptable or not?
Second of all, our trailing behind on the international scale is due to a number of different problems. As a student who's actually student-teaching, a lot of the flaws comes in allowing students be tracked by levels of performance. Remedial classes don't seem to be doing what they're named after: solving the learning gap. Remedial kids stay remedial for the rest of their academic lives, with little room for mobility within the school.
Yes, we had Ethics in our high school. Granted it was actually a poor high school. However, I felt it was one of those "bullshit electives" you speak of. After all, how could I learn to be good from a textbook?
I took a course in philosophy and Religion(as a history) just last year(sophomore year). It's the course that turned me from a deist to an atheist, and I am truly glad I took it.
Canada also has a different funding system. we have standardized test (I think it's in grades 3,7,and 10) and schools that do poorly on these tests get more funding so they can improve their students' marks. Also funds are given out by the school board. Funds are still taken from property taxes but distributed over a large area (for example all of Toronto is one school board, but Toronto has rich and poor neighbor hoods)
our genius President came up with "No Child Left Behind" which basically cuts funding from schools with poor test results (aka the ones that need it the most).
1. Yes 2. No, unfortunately there aren't any philosophy classes in Switzerland as far as I know. But in some schools there are elective religion classes. I think this should definitely be changed.
Didn't have any mandatory philosophy in highschool (Finland). I think it was available though. This was over a decade ago, I don't know the current situation.
Yes absolutely; teaching of physics, biology etc. should be stretched over a longer period and taken in small, digestible doses. Crash course -style learning makes no sense in these cases, that's just crazy.
In Finland we have philosophy in highschool. I think one or two courses were mandatory, rest is up to the students to choose for themselves if they want more of it. We went through the classical Greek's and some information theory and stuff like that. It's been awhile, can't remember exactly.
On year of physics sounds quite basic. Even for highschool I had physics and mathematics courses through the whole 3 years. In my technical univ. almost everything is connected to physics and math.
I wasn't assuming ignorance on your behalf, i meant that you said 'he talked to another student ALSO from eastern Europe', or something to that effect, which is misleading.
The guy from Holland probably didn`t tell that high school in Holland means College. What you call High school (mandatory i believe?) we call it; Secondary School (we don`t have a 2/3 year middle school!). Our Secondary School education starts at 12 and lasts 4/5 or 6 years (so untill 16/17 or 18. After that; we go to"middelbare school"( e.g basic technician or administrator 4 year study) / or to "hoge school"(college) e.g bachelor Accountant(also 4 years) /or we go to University (4 to 6).
In the UK, we have 3 compulsory years of 'science' (physics, chemistry and biology) and 2 years extra, of either science of the seperate physics, chemistry and biology. then you can choose any subject for 'a levels' for an extra 2 years
In Spain, Philosophy is also mandatory subject.You study a subject called "Ethics" for one year and then you go on to study Philosophy for two years.Basically in the first half of the first course of Philosophy we only study Logic.
In highschool in Poland I didn't had any official philosophy subject. But we touched topic of philosophy many times on polish lessons while talking about romantism, positivism etc.
I agree with PJDesseyn and the others who said that spreading the courses out over several years might increase the quality of education overall. Physics in 1 year sounds absurd. Still, it depends on other factors as well, most importantly the teachers. I had 5 years of physics, but the teacher we had for 4 years was really bad and didn't inspire/make anyone learn. So most didn't.
In Romania, philosophy is mandatory, even for tech specialities.
1) All the Physics I learned I could not have learned in a single year. I wouldn't have liked it if they had to cramp all these fascinating topics in one single year.
I am far to inqisitive so unless I truly understand it I don't like to move on to another topic which I would have to if there was only one year.
2) The Netherlands. We did not have Philosophy in my school. It was a secondary agricultural school so it would not have been a popular elective anyway. We did have religion study.
I suppose that you could learn basic physics in one year if you spent that year in a tibetan monastery and did nothing else 24-7 with constant teaching. One year? It's ridiculous. I guess it's because elementary physics interferes severely with the creation and flood sagas.
I think that having subjects spread over time would be helpful; but for your normal 7-8 period day, I don't know if we could cover the same range of subjects without sacrificing electives. The teachers for each subject would also need to come up with a universal plan of building upon previous year's material. Take my high school's composition classes. We needed three years to graduate. All three years we learned the same thing, it wasn't built upon the previous year. Only the books changed.
I graduated from high school in Canada this year. I took Philosophy as an elective in grade 12. America hasn't produced many philosophers though, I think that might lend to the lack of it at the high school level. Compared to European countries which have rich philosophical theories. Just a thought. Nice video man.
historically, that might be true, but America is also a new country in the philosophical scheme of things. nowadays, many of the philosophers who's papers fill the philosophy journals are American.
1) you must spread everything over 6 years (in general) and gradually build up. start with very basic things and each year do more. this way, you can have lots of courses in the same year and understand it all. (but the entire education system needs to be good. kindergarten till university)
2) Belgium, no philosophy classes for me, but we do think about it during other classes. (mostly religious class) so although we don't have the class itself, they do make us think, which is the goal.
I think the way we teach things like physics and other sciences so quickly that they don't fill in gaps and as atheist will point out historically gaps are filled with God so that sort of pays to where theism could come into a student's mind also we need more details because we know alot more about how the world works than we let on.
My highschool education was Accelerated Christian Education (A.C.E.) home-schooling. No philosophy there, let me tell ya. Lots of brainwashing though.
I'm all for teaching philosophy in high school. I think it's a subject that students may find interesting. IMO, high school students are more inquisitive than we generally give them credit for, and I think it would be healthy for them to study philosophy, and ponder the big questions that philosophy deals with and tries to answer.
In Texas the property taxes are redistributed, I think by federal mandate.
No high school philosophy class.
Extending the courses might help but it's not the main problem.
I've noticed a decline in the curriculum in the math and science courses. The more difficult aspects of the subjects are no longer in the text books. In the assigned work there seems to be more emphasis on repetition. I pity the brighter students.
1.) It might help, but I'm not so sure how much. In Finland (in Nothern Europe) we pretty much have the same 1 year thing with physics and chemistry during grades 8-9, and our "high-school" isn't even mandatory (still most attend), and it's divided into two systems to choose from: gymnasium that basically gets you ready for university and vocational school that mostly aims for a job. Still we rank among the top countries in student performance.
2.) We have philosophy in gymnasium, and you only have to take one course (around 38 hours), which applies to just about every other subject except for languages and math. Of course there are lots of elective courses, which make up at least 35% of the total amount you have to take. In philosophy there are 3 elective courses, possibly more depending on the school.
Thank you tooltime, now I know why my science class presents such an absurd amount of information in such a short timeframe. They have to curve some of these classes so that 75% is an A... in other words, greatly lowering the standards of education...
I disagree. If you look at how well schools that are predominantly White in America they score very well. The problem is completely racial. Even poor Whites score higher than poor Blacks.
Have you ever heard of the book "The Bell Curve"? There have been thousand of studies on race and IQ since WWI. Equality does not extend beyond human rights. Not everyone was born with the ability to run a 4 minute mile or be a quantum physicist. Racial differences do exist even thought it's not the current dogma.
No philosophy classes were offered at my highschool, in Arizona were I live there were different electives at different schools so I can't say that it wasn't possible. All highschools in Phoenix had Spanish as an elective but as a secondary option my school had French, another had Japanese etc. You could even take electives from other schools within your school district if you could skip an hour to make the drive. There may have been philosophy offrered although I didn't know about it if it was.
i've taken philosophy as an A level in England but over here they try to dissuade you from taking it, they class it with lessons such as media studies and basically label it useless.
In my secondary school (In Britain) I learned the three sciences for five years (compulsory), (the fourth and fifth were compulsory, but options were separate sciences, dual-award or single science, I did separate) then physics and chemistry for another two years (for A level, optional then) so seven years in total. It's a much better idea to invest multiple years in teaching such core subjects.
I'm from Finland (northern europe). We don't have high schools, but our equivalent system has 1 mandatory course of philosophy (Logic/metaphysics) and like 3 more as electives (ethics, epistemology, and social philosophy). Squeezing a whole subject to one year sounds insane. There is no way in hell you are ever going to digest all that information well in that short time.
I am a sophomore(10th grade) In NYC. My high school offers 1 year of pyhsics, but I finished my 1 year of living environment, and will finish 1 year of chem this year( both honors)
I feel that we need to have choices, a well-rounded education is ok, but if you dotn plan on goign to college you rly dont need most the information in high school, we should pick classes that we want to specialize in, and get rid of the bullshit classes, you need at least 1/2 year of art and music to graduate.
1) Yes 2) France. Philosophy here is not an option in the last year in High school. Everybody in France has made 1 year of philosophy before university. From 2 hours a week to 8 hours a week depending on the speciality chosen (litterature, science, economy).
Yeah, im English an im taking philosophy this year. One of my classmates asked our teacher whether or not philosophy was important and he said "well it must be as most european countries are starting to make it compulsory"
Philosophy was never offered in my high school. Needless to say once I got to college I took as many philosophy courses as I had time for. I think a lot of schools teach worthless crap that kids don't need and will never use, so we try to cram a bunch of stuff into one year when perhaps it should be more spread out. Kids should start learning (before high school even) philosophy, logic, rhetoric, etc. Subjects that teach you HOW to think are notably absent in our education system.
2)I'm from Québec (a province of Canada), and we don't have philosophy in high schools. However, something I find quite interesting is happening. In primary schools, starting this year only, the religious education class has been replaced by a "ethics and religious culture" class (translating litterally from french). A philosophy class has been proposed and refused in itsplace, but I believe that's still a step in the good direction. High school always lags.
I think that subjects should be taught over several years, not as many subjects should be taught, and I was educated in America and took a philosophy course in highschool.
No my high school doesn't have philosophy.
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mennyC64 8 months ago
I was a senior as an exchange student back in 1996. American education at that time was a waste. In germany I would have been in 11th grade. Nonetheless I finished on honor roll without reading a book or doing homework at all.
out of my family no kids are doing their exchange year in the states anymore. my nieces are going to chile and australia...
and yes, I had philosphy and everything else in school. but the system is different and is in a process of changing towards lifelong learning.
seabazzz 8 months ago
I am from Europe and I had physic, chemistry, biology for 5 years in primary school
ThePeacefulAtheistt 10 months ago
hey i really want to drop out of high school and take the GED , is this a good idea?
specialchannel 1 year ago
I'm a high school student in America, and no I don't have a philosophy class. I would take it over most of my classes any day though.
BriannaNLC 1 year ago
the american indian learn everything by COMMUNICATION,even communicate with the animals and trees.all ages learn at the same time together,SO THE OLD AND THE YOUNG learn HOW TO communicate,the old teaches the young how to "EXPRESS THEM SELF HONESTLY"..........
1hayoka 1 year ago
I went to high school in Canada, and a philosophy course was offered at the grade 12 level. I REALLY enjoyed it, thought unfortunately I skipped a lot and didn't get as much out of it as I could have.
Most of the public high schools here offer the course, and I think some of the larger Catholic schools, though I'd imagine they'd be more faith centred....
exxxys 1 year ago
The Education System is an Indoctrination Center!!!
IWantMyVisionBack 1 year ago
My high school had a philosophy course, taught by the cheerleading coach.
Cheer-gym was an actual elective that could be taken for the same amount of credits you would receive from taking bio 30. That seems a little off to me.
InstantAsperity 1 year ago
You find most developed european countries that they can speak english very well, and in England barely anybody can speak different languages, we take french and german for like a year, what the fuck are we gonna learn in a year? We need to teach language for a long time very early, so it sinks in, that way we can be more developed full rounded human beings.
ThriceDog 2 years ago
Aha... I didn't actually know that Americans don't get long enough to study a subject... The penny sorta dropped there... It explains a lot of inconsistencies in the poor education levels of Americans I meet compared to others... I said Poor education there btw... not intelligence.
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
My high school DID have philosophy as an elective, but only for seniors. I went to a Catholic high school, where you had to take three years of religious studies, then senior year you could opt out of religious studies in favor of philosophy.
RainyDayCrane 2 years ago
Hey, I'm from Michigan and NO my high school didn't have Philosophy.
To make my opinion very breif, I think the American educational system is royally fucked up and especially once you get to high school. They could give less than a shit about things like Philosophy, Art and Music. Schools don't care about those things!!
It's all about sports and money, that's it.
madeyes4u 2 years ago
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Physics pissed me off too (the way it was taught, that is, not the subject itself; I LOVE physics). When they taught us Newtonian Mechanics, they deliberately steered away from intoducing clculus into the class. How the hell can you understand (or appreciate) Newtonian Mechanics without calculus? The class went like this: we would be given a certain equation, have the variables in it defined and then be given problems to work on. THAT"S IT! No explanation of concepts!
IvanTheHeathen 2 years ago
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This is especially the case in math and physics. I'm extremely dissapointed with how these subjects are taught at my school and so I resolved, out of frustration, to teach myself them (not a problem, since I'm autodidactic anyway). For instance, after seeing how abysmally calculus was taught (and how that bastardized something beautiful) I dropped the class and spent the next few months exploring its wonders myself. I'm now better at it than the AP students.
TBC
IvanTheHeathen 2 years ago
My High School doesn't have philosophy, but it's located right on a college campus and many students at my school (juniors and seniors) take classes there. I'll be taking philosophy (elective) there next year.
Your point about education is interesting and honestly, I'm not sure one way or the other. What I belive the problem to be is the school's emphasis on rote memorization rather than teaching you the underlying rationale behind something so that you actually understand it. To BE CONTINUED
IvanTheHeathen 2 years ago
I'm from America and no, my high school didn't have a philosophy class. And since I'm from the midwest, the majority of our electives were about agriculture which sucked.
jaydogg7253 2 years ago
In Germany's 'High School' we have to either take religion(christian) or ethical philosophy (most choose the former, as it is easier than the latter - grades do matter in the end) as a class. General Philosophy can be chosen separately from this by anyone. Also, there are currently reforms under way which might make ethics classes mandatory in germany, but I haven't heard anything about that in a while. (cont...)
SonofTzeentch 2 years ago
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SonofTzeentch 2 years ago
Ok, can't post comments over a few letters long. To sum up: we cover some fairly in-depth stuff, from Nietzsche, Sartre, problem of personhood and so on, in ethics class.
SonofTzeentch 2 years ago
1. I think teaching courses over five years has its ups and downs, it would be easier to digest the information and you would retain it longer, but if I were to learn something over five years I would get incredibly bored, I kind of like learning, pre-calculus for example at a very fast pace.
My high school does have a philosophy class, it really didn't cover all that much philosophy though, it covered the basic ideas of some of the main philosophical "genres" if you will.
BGood156 2 years ago
imo, the Japanese school system is better
Stevenhiggles 2 years ago
NO SHIT LOL they get like 6 hours of homework on average a night lmao
lsuk0dyou 2 years ago
I'm not sure on stretching it... I think the majority of students just don't care enough. and the teachers just see things as a paycheck and dont care enough to assure students are passing and understanding.
My classes were horrible. if you didn't pass you went to a special class to take the course dumbed down that was maybe 2 weeks long.
I failed Biology by 2 points because of chemistry questions on our midterm... Took the quick class and passed in 2 days.
Its scary...Phil - no
Wld Lve to take
Creamlistner 2 years ago
I am from the U.S. and my high school had philosophy as a mandatory class but I go to a charter school so I am an exception since there are only a few states that allow charter schools that are not religiously-affiliated.
I agree that they should teach complex subjects over longer periods of time and rid silly classes.
martianbunny 2 years ago
My high school did not have philosophy (I live in Virginia)
DrewvonPetersburgh 2 years ago
my high school doesn't have shit (I live in Mississippi)
Stevenhiggles 2 years ago
One could easily walk away with the impression that you think everything other than chemistry or physics is a 'bullshit' subject. How about a little love for the arts- for literature and history- subjects I would opine are perhaps even more important than math and science.
tristramshandy3 3 years ago
possible to make sure everybody learns all the material so they can keep their great reputations and keep making lots of money.
Luigi84289 3 years ago
stretched out to help give the students a greater understanding of the material. But it also has to be understood that since the schools have this giant cushion and safety net they only have to do the bare minimum. In other civilized 1st world countries the school systems aren't run this way. Parents have actual choices as to which schools they send their children to and there is real competition to get kids so the schools to the best job
Luigi84289 3 years ago
The main problem is that the public schools are run by this massive government unionized monopoly. The teachers are never afraid of getting fired because they have union protection and since the schools have no competition they have no incentive to do better. I agree with what you said though, I think complicated subjects like Algebra 2, calculus, physics, chemistry, biology etc. should be
Luigi84289 3 years ago
Your teacher is a BSer. He/she didn't learn physics for 5 years. Before you learn physics, you must learn algebra, geometry, calculus. It's pointless to teach physics unless you learn the math. That means she must have been taught some sesame street physics. Most students abroad are taught english first and the basics(3r's). Then at a certain grade level, they take a placement test which determines if they go to vocational school, workforce, or continue education.
BTW my HS had a phil course.
brasnappr 3 years ago
Oh and just to add... before that we have 2 more years studying Chemistry/Physics (basics) and 3 years studying natural science (basic biology).
I guess you call that junior highschool or something in the US.
Anyways just subscribed to your videos... keep fighting the good fight :)
ginraisama 3 years ago
Well, responding on your request, I'm from Portugal and Filosophy is taken by about 95% of the students for 2 years minimum + a 3rd optional year. Physics, Chemistry and Biology for 2 years minimum and then you pick 2 of the above for a 3rd year.
I have a counter question.
What do you guys learn in Highschool if you study these fundamental issues for 1 year only?? I am completely shocked and can't concieve what you guys are doing with your time at school until you reach university.
ginraisama 3 years ago
I`m from Poland where everybody ask teachers: why we must learn useless things like geography, physics,biology and chemistry ? {for 8 years} :(
qwertyy1136 3 years ago
9th grade Gifted Honors philosophy yes
Emil246 3 years ago
I live in England and and I do philosophy,
BioBrit92 3 years ago
i ant had no philsopy! all i needs is my bible and some of that street smarts!
dogredrum66 3 years ago
Yes, my high school had philosphy as an elective.
emcar89 3 years ago
my hiskoo had philo.
shortysmagic 3 years ago
im from romania and id have to say 1)in romania they teach lets say pgysics from when youre like 10 till youre 18, and it dosent nececeraly work beacause its mandatory, children tend to refuse it beacause its hard to understand at a young age, thus few actualy become good in physics, though yes it would work better i guess. 2)romania, a variety of schools wich all sucked(im now in a british international school, it sucks as well)no, we dont have any philosophy classes.
reverandul44 3 years ago
American colleges are an absolute joke to
mattgeb84 3 years ago
i didn't had philosophy until college.
asiandrummer84 3 years ago
school is exploitation, the end.
if you like it, you must be a slave.
SpicyHam 3 years ago
for 1 term as a weekly activity instead of sport. (new zealand)
AlmightyFRACTA 3 years ago
1. Uh...
2. Dunedin, FL USA. Philosophy? No.
tangldmojo 3 years ago
I think my high school had philosophy, as an elective. Philosophy was also a major part of combined core classes (2 period classes with 1 credit of English and one of History), although that might have been just teacher preference rather than part of the official curriculum.
Then again, my high school was huge and in an upper-middle class neighborhood, so it's probably not representative.
wanderingivie 3 years ago
what level of high school did he teach ?.
( i'm from the Netherlands so just wondering )
pagangeek 3 years ago
he did not say.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
Prof's argument: "I'm a Romanian philosopher telling you the US is going to hell in a handbasket-Cuz it failed to see the looming financial crisis though plain as the nose on its face-Cuz it offers too many electives in school at the expense of physics"
Physics, eh? She's got her finger on the problem, NOT! This is 100% TRUE: the wizards who developed the CDO risk model now bringing down the world's financial systems was created by genius American, Nobel-track Physicists and Mathmaticians.
Geodge 3 years ago
More - google "Mutual attractions: physics and finance" the title of an article in Physics World, Jan 1 1999. AFTER American financiers (and Europeans, Asians, everybody) began relying on brilliant physicists with their fancy financial math formulas that the money world would come tumbling down.
Not just American physicists, btw. The article bulletined the upcoming meeting of the European Physical Society, leading topic was "applying physics in finance" (ie derivatives), Dublin summer '99.
Geodge 3 years ago
no, she said nothing of the sort. she said that an intelligent person would have seen the finical crisis coming a mile away, AND the next major crisis will be one of education, as Americans are at a disadvantage for getting the good jobs becuase they have to compete against better educated foreigners.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
Either way, we can play the blame game all we want, but it all amounts to a change in American culture. Classes have become more student-focused, politically correct, emotionally-driven that teachers can't resort to the ol' "rulerstick instruction." I'm not saying discipline and fear are the answers--but times have changed. Students and teachers are now, more than ever, of a truly different stock.
AnAppleADei 3 years ago
Another thing is, think of the cultural differences now in the United States. Just 50 years ago the teacher was viewed as an absolute professional: if Timmy was talking in class, the parents reacted and spanked him--they trusted the teacher's professional judgment. Now, do you know how many fights I get into with parents? None of them argue with their doctors about anything--why are teachers not considered "learned" enough to know when a behavior is acceptable or not?
AnAppleADei 3 years ago
Second of all, our trailing behind on the international scale is due to a number of different problems. As a student who's actually student-teaching, a lot of the flaws comes in allowing students be tracked by levels of performance. Remedial classes don't seem to be doing what they're named after: solving the learning gap. Remedial kids stay remedial for the rest of their academic lives, with little room for mobility within the school.
AnAppleADei 3 years ago
Yes, we had Ethics in our high school. Granted it was actually a poor high school. However, I felt it was one of those "bullshit electives" you speak of. After all, how could I learn to be good from a textbook?
AnAppleADei 3 years ago
I took a course in philosophy and Religion(as a history) just last year(sophomore year). It's the course that turned me from a deist to an atheist, and I am truly glad I took it.
JaktheAtheist 3 years ago
Hey now USC has a "Pop Music" concentration for Music Majors. Hmmmm.....
Stitchman3875 3 years ago
I'm in a Canadian Highschool and we have a Theory Of Knowledge course. It's IB and not mandatory.
Hamandchees3 3 years ago
Wow so many comments from me.
They don't have AP philosophy that's not an option. But it's an elective that is equivalent to an AP class.
nrsims 3 years ago
And to answer your philosophy class question.
I didn't have philosophy in highschool. Now i'm pretty sure my school has the AP philosophy course though.
nrsims 3 years ago
I agree that we should have more math and science, but math and science are not the only things that make the world go round.
I've used more of what I learned in my bullshit elective classes than I could ever imagine using from my physics class.
nrsims 3 years ago
I'm from Australia. We didn't have any philosophy classes available in high school. My school was a pretty large school as well.
THEoldy 3 years ago
Canada also has a different funding system. we have standardized test (I think it's in grades 3,7,and 10) and schools that do poorly on these tests get more funding so they can improve their students' marks. Also funds are given out by the school board. Funds are still taken from property taxes but distributed over a large area (for example all of Toronto is one school board, but Toronto has rich and poor neighbor hoods)
tono2021 3 years ago
our genius President came up with "No Child Left Behind" which basically cuts funding from schools with poor test results (aka the ones that need it the most).
tooltime9901 3 years ago
canada has philosophy classes in high school, but it's an elective.
tono2021 3 years ago
1. Yes 2. No, unfortunately there aren't any philosophy classes in Switzerland as far as I know. But in some schools there are elective religion classes. I think this should definitely be changed.
petname 3 years ago
Didn't have any mandatory philosophy in highschool (Finland). I think it was available though. This was over a decade ago, I don't know the current situation.
Yes absolutely; teaching of physics, biology etc. should be stretched over a longer period and taken in small, digestible doses. Crash course -style learning makes no sense in these cases, that's just crazy.
clownschuhe 3 years ago
Taking it next year lol
Gpk76 3 years ago
In Finland we have philosophy in highschool. I think one or two courses were mandatory, rest is up to the students to choose for themselves if they want more of it. We went through the classical Greek's and some information theory and stuff like that. It's been awhile, can't remember exactly.
On year of physics sounds quite basic. Even for highschool I had physics and mathematics courses through the whole 3 years. In my technical univ. almost everything is connected to physics and math.
slipcurve 3 years ago
Theres 1 course in second grade, and then like 3 or 4 that students can take if they want to.
Guertoo 3 years ago
no, it didnt, it was a term within 'RE', when you come to do 'a level' you can choose to do 2 years of it.
idontbelievereligion 3 years ago
the netherlands is not in eastern europe.
idontbelievereligion 3 years ago
I know that. I said there was someone talking to the man from Rotterdam that sounded like he was from Easter Europe.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
I wasn't assuming ignorance on your behalf, i meant that you said 'he talked to another student ALSO from eastern Europe', or something to that effect, which is misleading.
great video
idontbelievereligion 3 years ago
The guy from Holland probably didn`t tell that high school in Holland means College. What you call High school (mandatory i believe?) we call it; Secondary School (we don`t have a 2/3 year middle school!). Our Secondary School education starts at 12 and lasts 4/5 or 6 years (so untill 16/17 or 18. After that; we go to"middelbare school"( e.g basic technician or administrator 4 year study) / or to "hoge school"(college) e.g bachelor Accountant(also 4 years) /or we go to University (4 to 6).
Dutchdrummer99 3 years ago
In the UK, we have 3 compulsory years of 'science' (physics, chemistry and biology) and 2 years extra, of either science of the seperate physics, chemistry and biology. then you can choose any subject for 'a levels' for an extra 2 years
idontbelievereligion 3 years ago
I currently attend high school in New York, and philosophy is not an elective in my school.
Shrimp4074 3 years ago
The Canadian education system is a joke.
They push leftist propaganda down your throat at every turn and are firmly opposed to free speech.
TehBloggaar 3 years ago
In Spain, Philosophy is also mandatory subject.You study a subject called "Ethics" for one year and then you go on to study Philosophy for two years.Basically in the first half of the first course of Philosophy we only study Logic.
alvarodelamo 3 years ago
In highschool in Poland I didn't had any official philosophy subject. But we touched topic of philosophy many times on polish lessons while talking about romantism, positivism etc.
pimpolinka69 3 years ago
I agree with PJDesseyn and the others who said that spreading the courses out over several years might increase the quality of education overall. Physics in 1 year sounds absurd. Still, it depends on other factors as well, most importantly the teachers. I had 5 years of physics, but the teacher we had for 4 years was really bad and didn't inspire/make anyone learn. So most didn't.
In Romania, philosophy is mandatory, even for tech specialities.
jauntym 3 years ago
1) All the Physics I learned I could not have learned in a single year. I wouldn't have liked it if they had to cramp all these fascinating topics in one single year.
I am far to inqisitive so unless I truly understand it I don't like to move on to another topic which I would have to if there was only one year.
2) The Netherlands. We did not have Philosophy in my school. It was a secondary agricultural school so it would not have been a popular elective anyway. We did have religion study.
leorcc 3 years ago
I suppose that you could learn basic physics in one year if you spent that year in a tibetan monastery and did nothing else 24-7 with constant teaching. One year? It's ridiculous. I guess it's because elementary physics interferes severely with the creation and flood sagas.
tjohooorider 3 years ago
My high school has a philosophy class. However it is very hard to get enrolled because it is only taught by one teacher during one period.
101011001 3 years ago
I also went to a small high school (my graduating class had less than 20 people in it). Ethics was a mandatory class during my junior year.
Gehn5 3 years ago
I think that having subjects spread over time would be helpful; but for your normal 7-8 period day, I don't know if we could cover the same range of subjects without sacrificing electives. The teachers for each subject would also need to come up with a universal plan of building upon previous year's material. Take my high school's composition classes. We needed three years to graduate. All three years we learned the same thing, it wasn't built upon the previous year. Only the books changed.
jacokl54 3 years ago
And unfortunately, my high school didn't have a philosophy class. I wish it had had one though.
jacokl54 3 years ago
I graduated from high school in Canada this year. I took Philosophy as an elective in grade 12. America hasn't produced many philosophers though, I think that might lend to the lack of it at the high school level. Compared to European countries which have rich philosophical theories. Just a thought. Nice video man.
BottomFeeder10 3 years ago
historically, that might be true, but America is also a new country in the philosophical scheme of things. nowadays, many of the philosophers who's papers fill the philosophy journals are American.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
in australia its spred over your time at school ie physics over 3 years
philisophy is avaliable as an elective:)
zphi22 3 years ago
1) you must spread everything over 6 years (in general) and gradually build up. start with very basic things and each year do more. this way, you can have lots of courses in the same year and understand it all. (but the entire education system needs to be good. kindergarten till university)
2) Belgium, no philosophy classes for me, but we do think about it during other classes. (mostly religious class) so although we don't have the class itself, they do make us think, which is the goal.
PJDesseyn 3 years ago
Nope. No high school philosophy class here.
zbambam5 3 years ago
I'm in a average high school. I take a computer networking class for 3 hours a day and the other 3 are history, math, and English.
But unless you in some kinda tech education like I am it is useless.
justin1o0 3 years ago
no philosophy
macwild1234 3 years ago
Yes it did and I am in it.
JehovahsBastardChild 3 years ago
1) yes we should definitely have classes taught over multiple years.
2) I went to one of the top public schools in a rich suburb in Minnesota and philosophy was not an elective (bastards).
InvaderZooych 3 years ago
The public high school I went to was just plain crap. We had so much repetition and filler, I just got bored and quit paying attention.
Heathenfidel 3 years ago 7
I think the way we teach things like physics and other sciences so quickly that they don't fill in gaps and as atheist will point out historically gaps are filled with God so that sort of pays to where theism could come into a student's mind also we need more details because we know alot more about how the world works than we let on.
L3thaLgrun7 3 years ago
My highschool education was Accelerated Christian Education (A.C.E.) home-schooling. No philosophy there, let me tell ya. Lots of brainwashing though.
I'm all for teaching philosophy in high school. I think it's a subject that students may find interesting. IMO, high school students are more inquisitive than we generally give them credit for, and I think it would be healthy for them to study philosophy, and ponder the big questions that philosophy deals with and tries to answer.
AtOneWithNothing7 3 years ago
No high school philosophy class.
RonBudda6669 3 years ago
In Texas the property taxes are redistributed, I think by federal mandate.
No high school philosophy class.
Extending the courses might help but it's not the main problem.
I've noticed a decline in the curriculum in the math and science courses. The more difficult aspects of the subjects are no longer in the text books. In the assigned work there seems to be more emphasis on repetition. I pity the brighter students.
xwidget 3 years ago
yes, my logic teacher also mentioned that the books are horrible here as well.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
No direct philosophy for me but I was in AP classes so I had some type of influential philosophy. But to answer your question, No.
celidee 3 years ago
At least American universites are quite good.
1. I prefer the European long term system, although I think more specialised education should be pulled through all over the world.
2. We don't have classes in Denmark(although they teach some philosophy in social science.)
qanazir 3 years ago
1 yes
2 no
theendofconfusion 3 years ago
1.) It might help, but I'm not so sure how much. In Finland (in Nothern Europe) we pretty much have the same 1 year thing with physics and chemistry during grades 8-9, and our "high-school" isn't even mandatory (still most attend), and it's divided into two systems to choose from: gymnasium that basically gets you ready for university and vocational school that mostly aims for a job. Still we rank among the top countries in student performance.
Itslvle 3 years ago
2.) We have philosophy in gymnasium, and you only have to take one course (around 38 hours), which applies to just about every other subject except for languages and math. Of course there are lots of elective courses, which make up at least 35% of the total amount you have to take. In philosophy there are 3 elective courses, possibly more depending on the school.
Itslvle 3 years ago
We should definitely stretch out the courses.
secretnaughtyc 3 years ago
1. yes we should stretch out the courses
2. yes my high school offered philosophy
crazyhobo1328 3 years ago
was this in the US?
tooltime9901 3 years ago
yes. in a small town just outside of cleveland ohio.
crazyhobo1328 3 years ago
1.)Science Definitely needs to be expanded over time because we are on the bottom rung w/education! See: pcs, jf777, or sarah palin.
2.)No
TangibleEvidence 3 years ago
I live in Las Vegas and no Philosophy classes are offered in my High School.
adamabra8 3 years ago
Thank you tooltime, now I know why my science class presents such an absurd amount of information in such a short timeframe. They have to curve some of these classes so that 75% is an A... in other words, greatly lowering the standards of education...
negrosaurus 3 years ago
1.)yes
2.)no
DeathsHead3720 3 years ago
I disagree. If you look at how well schools that are predominantly White in America they score very well. The problem is completely racial. Even poor Whites score higher than poor Blacks.
mitchhsansom 3 years ago
Let's see some hard data.
Ateapotist 3 years ago
Have you ever heard of the book "The Bell Curve"? There have been thousand of studies on race and IQ since WWI. Equality does not extend beyond human rights. Not everyone was born with the ability to run a 4 minute mile or be a quantum physicist. Racial differences do exist even thought it's not the current dogma.
mitchhsansom 3 years ago
IQ is a largely discredited idea.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
No philosophy classes were offered at my highschool, in Arizona were I live there were different electives at different schools so I can't say that it wasn't possible. All highschools in Phoenix had Spanish as an elective but as a secondary option my school had French, another had Japanese etc. You could even take electives from other schools within your school district if you could skip an hour to make the drive. There may have been philosophy offrered although I didn't know about it if it was.
csurrel 3 years ago
i've taken philosophy as an A level in England but over here they try to dissuade you from taking it, they class it with lessons such as media studies and basically label it useless.
StreetlightEagle 3 years ago
1) Yes
2) No it didn't
badass video =D
thepoison1627 3 years ago
Philosophy leads to thought,
and we can't have that, now can we?
drlarrymitchell 3 years ago
1)Well, yeah. You can actually learn it that way.
2) No,sadly.
TheBiophiliacBright 3 years ago
1) Yes
2) No
JustinHasAnEcho 3 years ago
In my secondary school (In Britain) I learned the three sciences for five years (compulsory), (the fourth and fifth were compulsory, but options were separate sciences, dual-award or single science, I did separate) then physics and chemistry for another two years (for A level, optional then) so seven years in total. It's a much better idea to invest multiple years in teaching such core subjects.
ThetaOmega 3 years ago
I'm from Finland (northern europe). We don't have high schools, but our equivalent system has 1 mandatory course of philosophy (Logic/metaphysics) and like 3 more as electives (ethics, epistemology, and social philosophy). Squeezing a whole subject to one year sounds insane. There is no way in hell you are ever going to digest all that information well in that short time.
Mustahukkak 3 years ago
I am a sophomore(10th grade) In NYC. My high school offers 1 year of pyhsics, but I finished my 1 year of living environment, and will finish 1 year of chem this year( both honors)
I feel that we need to have choices, a well-rounded education is ok, but if you dotn plan on goign to college you rly dont need most the information in high school, we should pick classes that we want to specialize in, and get rid of the bullshit classes, you need at least 1/2 year of art and music to graduate.
Darkwolf5656 3 years ago
I think that they should combine a lot of the classes into 1 course, but stretch it over a period of years.
My high school would have benefited from having philosophy so no we did not have it.
I was born and raised in America unfortunately (when it comes to education)
makaisenki 3 years ago
nope it doesn't
Fendermrr 3 years ago
2) I'm in France and will be doing philosophy next year (my last), and it's compulsory.
pojopixie 3 years ago
that is what the man from Rotterdam told me as well.
tooltime9901 3 years ago
1) Yes but getting better teachers to teach it would help too.
2) In upstate New York, no. In Central Florida, fuck no.
TheChainsawGodd 3 years ago 2
1) Yes 2) France. Philosophy here is not an option in the last year in High school. Everybody in France has made 1 year of philosophy before university. From 2 hours a week to 8 hours a week depending on the speciality chosen (litterature, science, economy).
itsbizbuz 3 years ago 2
Yeah, im English an im taking philosophy this year. One of my classmates asked our teacher whether or not philosophy was important and he said "well it must be as most european countries are starting to make it compulsory"
StreetlightEagle 3 years ago
Philosophy was never offered in my high school. Needless to say once I got to college I took as many philosophy courses as I had time for. I think a lot of schools teach worthless crap that kids don't need and will never use, so we try to cram a bunch of stuff into one year when perhaps it should be more spread out. Kids should start learning (before high school even) philosophy, logic, rhetoric, etc. Subjects that teach you HOW to think are notably absent in our education system.
xWhiteAmericanDevilx 3 years ago 2
No advice really on question 1...
2)I'm from Québec (a province of Canada), and we don't have philosophy in high schools. However, something I find quite interesting is happening. In primary schools, starting this year only, the religious education class has been replaced by a "ethics and religious culture" class (translating litterally from french). A philosophy class has been proposed and refused in itsplace, but I believe that's still a step in the good direction. High school always lags.
Amadeojd 3 years ago 2
I know Québec is a province of Canada! I grew up 30 minutes from it!
tooltime9901 3 years ago
I'm not all too familiar with America, but here in my country (Bulgaria in Eastern Europe) we stretch out things over a far longer periods of time.
1 year of physics? Come on, man. That's a joke.
And yeah, we have philosophy too.
Atheist001 3 years ago 3
I think that subjects should be taught over several years, not as many subjects should be taught, and I was educated in America and took a philosophy course in highschool.
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