JOHN F. KENNEDY TAPES: Defense Leaks & Polygraphs

[cruisersism]

These Evil LBJ statements WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

LBJ Evil joke about JFK

"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"

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[jspecaspec23]

The soviets prior to contrary belief did not have the weapon capability to keep up with the US it was all talk. They had 4 ICBMS in the 50s and 3 did not work. We had 157.. Do the math people. The US had the advantage over the soviets at all times...

[InformationMinister]

Man i would love to get my hands on the recording of conversations between the Kennedy administration during the Cuban Missile crisis.

[cdddraftsman]

@InformationMinister Cuban Missile Crisis

There's lots of evidence Russians never removed missiles, but the end result was dismantling our missiles in Turkey. JFK's handling of the crisis to the point of our nuclear annihilation was the most irresponsible act of any president in history. His body was on speed & his mind was on sex at the height of the crises : JFK asked McNamara about an attractive Pent. sec. : I want her name & no. He replied "Why" JFK : "We may avert a war tonight"

[NkrumahTure]

One would have to admit that JFK always refused to be a fool about anything. He didn't play that shit. It's comforting to know that a man as Kennedy occupied the Oval Office in those times.

[cdddraftsman]

@NkrumahTure CM Crisis

9/22/63 JFK wrote his staff in a hand-written note : "Is there a plan to brainwash key press w/in 12 hrs or so?" By being dishonest w/the American sheeple, JFK gave the Soviets, who had the facts, the power to destroy his Presidency & unduly influence him. The timing was dishonest, he'd known about the missiles since Aug. 22 when informed by CIA Dir. McCone. He announced it on Oct 22nd to influence Congressional elections in favor of (D), the classic "October Surprise"

[cracks21229]

These tapes are great. I think Youtube is the single best web site ever created.  Thanks for posting these interesting and historic tapes.

[ImeldaDavies]

Yes interesting indeed.

[guerre1859]

At 2:00 there is an interesting question by JFK to McNamara: 'Do you think this was an effort by the Air Force to embarrass everybody...?'

Suggests that JFK thought that there were people in the armed forces that were not too well disposed towards him...

[grumpytosnowwhite]

And he was damned right. The military hated him for trying to be all peaceful and negotiating, instead of giving them a chance to go to war and assert dominance over other countries and blow up commies. The military was almost insubordinate during the missile crisis, very rude to him, ignoring his orders, arguing constantly, etc. So yeah, I'd be wary of the military too.

[guerre1859]

Agreed. There is circumstantial evidence that at that time (and maybe even today) there was almost what one might call a 'shadow government' at Washington that was distorting US policy. Its possible the U-2 incident was engineered by the CIA, then there was the Bay of Pigs, and the incredible proposal of 'Operation Northwoods' (which seems like a blueprint for 9-11). And, of course, we have the JFK assassination itself, with the obvious CIA links of Oswald, and the crowning irony of

[guerre1859]

having Dulles, the head of the CIA that JFK fired, be in charge of investigating who killed JFK...

But people who dare tie all these 'coincidences' together are usually dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists.'

This recording though is incontrovertible proof though that JFK obviously did not feel he truly controlled the armed forces.

And if you put this together with outgoing Republican 5-star general Eisenhower's dire warnings of the Military-Industrial Complex...

[grumpytosnowwhite]

It's so amazing...when you look at history, it's like a movie. Shadow goverment gains power during the World Wars, disenchanted old president who has been beaten down by it gives a final warning to his sucessor, who tries as hard as he can to change what no other powerful man had the nerve to change--the terrorizing, rights-destroying CIA, the covert, corrupt political forces, the rampaging, powergrabbing military, feeding off the Cold war and profiting off of Vietnam--and then they kill him.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

Your statement about the shadow government is absolutely correct. It's not far-fetched, its not some outlandish, medieval phenomenon in the slightest. It's just plain, simple secrecy, paranoia, thirst for power, bullying, terrorizing, corruption, and manipulation. It's not a secret--power corrupts, especially if it goes unchallenged and unacknowledged. If you have ever watched JFK, the facts of the story may be mostly bogus, but the atmosphere sure as hell isn't.

[pt109girl]

very true. Our government has done some shady stuff. would it be too ill conceived to believe our government was implicated in jfk's murder? i dont think so.

[BamaChris]

I think that a lot of the distrust that the military brass had regarding JFK was due to the mistakes that Kennedy's dad made by attempting to appease Hitler. What they did not know is that JFK had disagreed with his father in that regard.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

Hmm ... I haven't heard anyone say that before (although it may well be true). What I *have* definitely heard many times is that the military thought that JFK was young and naive and stupid, and that they could take advantage of him because they thought the fact that he was a veteran would make him feel subordinate to them. And he did, until the Bay of Pigs. They really let him down and pissed him off there, and he lost all his trust in the military as well as his hawkish campaign platform.

[BamaChris]

All of that makes a lot of sense to me. When I listen to the JFK tapes, I understand how a high-ranking general could see him as naive, but I don't understand how anyone could make the mistake of thinking he was stupid. If anything, he was too smart. I've listened to and read the conversations of other presidents, and of all of them, JFK seemed to ask the most relevant and thought-provoking questions. He was always seeking information, a bit of micromanager, but not like Carter, for example.

[BamaChris]

Also, JFK liked and trusted General Maxwell Taylor, whom RFK named a son after. JFK did not like or trust General Curtis LeMay.

[grumpytosnowwhite]

It's just military arrogance: they were the goddamn Joint Chiefs of Staff. He was just a Lieutenant. Never mind that he was also the President, they still dismissed him. I agree that JFK seemed very intellegent and spoke in a very cerebral manner, but this; especially when he showed reluctance to bomb the shit out of Cuba or risk the USSR bombing the shit out of Berlin; made them think he was weak. A lot of the radical right called JFK a "pussy", a "fag" and so on for his stance on the Cold War.

[BamaChris]

I don't disagree with any of that. I think the military was unusually frustrated in that they went straight from a general as POTUS to JFK, too.

There is no denying that JFK's resistance to invade Cuba may have saved the world from nuclear war. The generals, Eisenhower, and Acheson advised him to invade, and I think that there might have been merit to the adivce they gave that the Soviets would "do nothing" if the USA invaded Cuba. JFK would have been reckless to take such advice, though

[grumpytosnowwhite]

All very true. Ike reportedly fought with the Pentagon a lot as well though, so go figure. Maybe he just wised up as time went on.

Also, you're right about LeMay - he was really untrustworthy and gave JFK the worst advice in the world during the crisis, not to mention acted really insubordinately. Have you ever seen the movie Thirteen Days? Most of LeMay's dialogue was taken from the *actual tapes*, yet his family protested because it showed him in a "bad light" - aka, exactly how he was.

[cdddraftsman]

@grumpytosnowwhite "it showed him in a "bad light" - aka, exactly how he was"

Actually and in reality LeMay WAS RIGHT !

* We had a 10 to 1 megatonnage advantage over the USSR, it would of been suicidal for them to launch a missile (20M American v 200M Russians deaths)

* Soviets were playing with fire in our backyard, they had no 'Blue Water' navy to back their play and would of been trounced in any confrontation conventional or otherwise (Krushev will be ousted in 2 yrs for this blunder)

[cdddraftsman]

@BamaChris Cuban Missile Crisis

JFK brought the world to the brink of nuclear holocaust pursuing a game of nuclear chicken that defines him as the riskiest president in history. Had he not threatened Cuba (BoP actions) USSR wouldn't of put missiles in Cuba . Dean Acheson said JFK was "phenomenally lucky" JFK forced the confrontation for political reasons & humiliated Kruschev, the man he had to deal with. JFK backed down on inspection for compliance/lied about it/+ evidence missiles remained.