You've missed my point. Which was simply that it's prudent to let what you do speak for itself because as we all know, talk is cheap. I really don't care much about your opinion.
Despite I really care about other opinions! They give me insights about distinct levels of comprehension. There are obviously things `we all know´ and a certain kind of `prudence´. Also a slight disambiguation about the meaning of simplicity, cheapness and missing-points. So why should I care not about your opinion, if you bother to troll back?
@11Kralle I would posit that wasting time with these opinions affords you an opportunity to feel like you know something. These are youtube comments. If you're concerned about "distinct levels of comprehension," you probably shouldn't be looking for them here.
It seems so. Nevertheless - this `feeling of knowing something´ could also be interpreted as a `conscious knowing more than nothing´. I dont look for anything special on youtube - I just like free forms of verbal expression about things I am interested in. If this bothers someone - not my problem. I wonder how often the ego of one could be an ego too much for the other ego. Accusations are the key to my kind of comprehending - they tell you everything about the accusators needs!
Was there any contest between us? I dont want you to surrender - I want you to overcome my intellectuality by your flabbergasting argumentation. ...wait... shouldnt I take your remark for sarkasm? Ok, I do not want to bore you any longer. Happy training for you as well. (Mine was actually quiet strenuous, but productive) Dont stop to do the things you good at...
@11Kralle This quote sums up my issues with your talk. I'll defer to a master. "Many Ving Tsun practitioners like to impose their techniques into frozen and static postures. Many believe that Bong Sau should be done at certain height or angle, or criticize others for not complying to their artificial standards. Some may call this style traditionalist; that style reformist; and on and on. In fact, movements in Siu Nim Tau are not named as if they were static postures." GM Chu Shong Tin.
Thanks for your comment. I concede, but there is always a possible way to do it wrong, aint it? My statements were referring to the private practise of forms and not to real fight- or `sparring´-situations. That certain height or angle - nevertheless - should be defined by physic-related arguments, like so: since the wedge has to be in every movement, bong-sao-forearm must be in a 135° angle, which is done, if I push my elbow in an uncramped way right before my chest.
@11Kralle There is of course a possible way to do it wrong, but those "ways" are very personal, as is what works. Everyone is built differently and the importance of the arm angle is variable just as the height of the opponent is variable. One should accommodate the situation, otherwise you get hit and say "This technique doesn't work" rather than "I've done something wrong."
Excuse me: That sounds much as if you doing your forms everyday different. Whilst fighting, the opponent defines how deep or high my limbs are moved to absorb him complete, thats naturally not to dispute. Form training should contain more accurate movements to stretch my body in wing-chun-shape - maybe my crummy physique does not allow itself to reach those perfect positions (I have been taught so!), but this does not rule out my destination to reach that level of stretching.
@11Kralle In the form, one uses their own body as a reference. It won't look exactly like the form in combat, what's important is that the structure is sound for the situation encountered. One isn't pretending to fight anyone in the forms.
Ok, I think we use different terms. With `form´ I ment the complete set of `SiuNimTao´ or `ChamKiu´ a.s.o, Unlike most kungfu - you wrote it as well - wingchun-forms are no shadow-fights - I know that! I think we differ mainly in our so-called heritage or style (in whose i dont believe). My sihing showed my a very sophisticated setting of movements in his form-teachings, so I want first to achieve his physique before I go own ways. My method is old-fashioned: 90% form 10% chi-sao!
I bet Ip Chungs Chum Kiu hasnt been corrected since his father died! Who could have had the balls to tell him, that he neglected to hold his ellbow shoulder-high. Nevertheless, this shows a pretty good impression how one would `imitate´ the late video-recordings of Yip Man doing the second form. Like many of his kung-fu-brothers, Ip Ching fails to keep his waist low whilst doing the chum-kiu-movements. But its still better than his brothers demonstrations!
Now thats what im talking about! Interesting how GM Ching uses the straight lap / punch after the Big Ma's at 1:20-1:35 (instead of the more circular version). I wonder why he prefers that? :)
My explanation: he does it wrong. Instead of Chings straight punch he should have made the lifting punch with that 45° Turn to the advancing stance position. Considering the animosities between wingchun-schools one should appreciate Chings ChumKiu-demo. I wonder if anyone actually tries to learn forms without any correction...
@11Kralle The forms express concepts. There is no correct technique. That you're drawing lines regarding how one should and shouldn't do very simple motions only how you're missing the big picture. If you have such great concern for the correct way to do the form, post one yourself rather than nitpicking another's expression. Especially when the one you're nitpicking is world renowned for his skill.
Maybe I am wrong... BUT there are not two or more ways to be relaxed. Only by freeing myself from any force - which means to absorb incoming forces towards the earth - I can be flexible enough to deal with those impacts, blows and leverages, which happen to appear whilst fighting. Beneath the concepts of ChumKiu/`finding the brigde´ this form is also about stances, turns, steps/kicks and changes. The upper limbs should be seen as the end of a chain. Could you be wrong, though?
Grandmaster Ip Ching is The Best
TheCombatAddiction 6 months ago
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BassmanVegan 4 months ago
after practicing wing-chun a year and half from master Jim Poulson, i was starting learning Chum-Kiu yesterday, that's so exciting!
XiaoqiXi 7 months ago
omfg i liek wana marry ip ching hes so haaawt
MintyHippo73 8 months ago
You've missed my point. Which was simply that it's prudent to let what you do speak for itself because as we all know, talk is cheap. I really don't care much about your opinion.
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
Despite I really care about other opinions! They give me insights about distinct levels of comprehension. There are obviously things `we all know´ and a certain kind of `prudence´. Also a slight disambiguation about the meaning of simplicity, cheapness and missing-points. So why should I care not about your opinion, if you bother to troll back?
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle I would posit that wasting time with these opinions affords you an opportunity to feel like you know something. These are youtube comments. If you're concerned about "distinct levels of comprehension," you probably shouldn't be looking for them here.
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
It seems so. Nevertheless - this `feeling of knowing something´ could also be interpreted as a `conscious knowing more than nothing´. I dont look for anything special on youtube - I just like free forms of verbal expression about things I am interested in. If this bothers someone - not my problem. I wonder how often the ego of one could be an ego too much for the other ego. Accusations are the key to my kind of comprehending - they tell you everything about the accusators needs!
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle lol Okay. I surrender then. I didn't realize I was dealing with an intellectual. Happy training.
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
Was there any contest between us? I dont want you to surrender - I want you to overcome my intellectuality by your flabbergasting argumentation. ...wait... shouldnt I take your remark for sarkasm? Ok, I do not want to bore you any longer. Happy training for you as well. (Mine was actually quiet strenuous, but productive) Dont stop to do the things you good at...
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle This quote sums up my issues with your talk. I'll defer to a master. "Many Ving Tsun practitioners like to impose their techniques into frozen and static postures. Many believe that Bong Sau should be done at certain height or angle, or criticize others for not complying to their artificial standards. Some may call this style traditionalist; that style reformist; and on and on. In fact, movements in Siu Nim Tau are not named as if they were static postures." GM Chu Shong Tin.
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
Thanks for your comment. I concede, but there is always a possible way to do it wrong, aint it? My statements were referring to the private practise of forms and not to real fight- or `sparring´-situations. That certain height or angle - nevertheless - should be defined by physic-related arguments, like so: since the wedge has to be in every movement, bong-sao-forearm must be in a 135° angle, which is done, if I push my elbow in an uncramped way right before my chest.
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle There is of course a possible way to do it wrong, but those "ways" are very personal, as is what works. Everyone is built differently and the importance of the arm angle is variable just as the height of the opponent is variable. One should accommodate the situation, otherwise you get hit and say "This technique doesn't work" rather than "I've done something wrong."
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
Excuse me: That sounds much as if you doing your forms everyday different. Whilst fighting, the opponent defines how deep or high my limbs are moved to absorb him complete, thats naturally not to dispute. Form training should contain more accurate movements to stretch my body in wing-chun-shape - maybe my crummy physique does not allow itself to reach those perfect positions (I have been taught so!), but this does not rule out my destination to reach that level of stretching.
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle In the form, one uses their own body as a reference. It won't look exactly like the form in combat, what's important is that the structure is sound for the situation encountered. One isn't pretending to fight anyone in the forms.
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
Ok, I think we use different terms. With `form´ I ment the complete set of `SiuNimTao´ or `ChamKiu´ a.s.o, Unlike most kungfu - you wrote it as well - wingchun-forms are no shadow-fights - I know that! I think we differ mainly in our so-called heritage or style (in whose i dont believe). My sihing showed my a very sophisticated setting of movements in his form-teachings, so I want first to achieve his physique before I go own ways. My method is old-fashioned: 90% form 10% chi-sao!
11Kralle 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
WING HUN KUEN WOKS SO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRD
MintyHippo73 8 months ago
Wenn das sein Vater wüsste...
I bet Ip Chungs Chum Kiu hasnt been corrected since his father died! Who could have had the balls to tell him, that he neglected to hold his ellbow shoulder-high. Nevertheless, this shows a pretty good impression how one would `imitate´ the late video-recordings of Yip Man doing the second form. Like many of his kung-fu-brothers, Ip Ching fails to keep his waist low whilst doing the chum-kiu-movements. But its still better than his brothers demonstrations!
11Kralle 8 months ago
would someone translate the end please?
ngoodwin2810 10 months ago
Awesome!
kempo206 1 year ago
class
paladin77777 1 year ago
Now thats what im talking about! Interesting how GM Ching uses the straight lap / punch after the Big Ma's at 1:20-1:35 (instead of the more circular version). I wonder why he prefers that? :)
Id love a translation for the end part!
ozzie1246 1 year ago
@ozzie1246
My explanation: he does it wrong. Instead of Chings straight punch he should have made the lifting punch with that 45° Turn to the advancing stance position. Considering the animosities between wingchun-schools one should appreciate Chings ChumKiu-demo. I wonder if anyone actually tries to learn forms without any correction...
11Kralle 8 months ago
@11Kralle The forms express concepts. There is no correct technique. That you're drawing lines regarding how one should and shouldn't do very simple motions only how you're missing the big picture. If you have such great concern for the correct way to do the form, post one yourself rather than nitpicking another's expression. Especially when the one you're nitpicking is world renowned for his skill.
spoonydanger 8 months ago
@spoonydanger
Maybe I am wrong... BUT there are not two or more ways to be relaxed. Only by freeing myself from any force - which means to absorb incoming forces towards the earth - I can be flexible enough to deal with those impacts, blows and leverages, which happen to appear whilst fighting. Beneath the concepts of ChumKiu/`finding the brigde´ this form is also about stances, turns, steps/kicks and changes. The upper limbs should be seen as the end of a chain. Could you be wrong, though?
11Kralle 8 months ago