bahai is a creation of freemasons like communism. beware of this satanic cult. a religion need a holy book, bahais don´t have one. their allowing marriages between family members.
My Friend, I understand your hate towards this cult. But let me express my views to your comment. They are 100% tools in the hands of imperialists and terrorist regimes and so called super powers of today. It is not a satanic cult except if you believe that Baha'u'llah was a Satan. They do have a religious books (Aqdas & Ighan) but it is useless as the Baha'is do not study them. Now-a-days they read only 'Ruhi Books' as they are sure that those two books are rubish
Regarding the marriage between family members, I am not sure but it is not forbidden in them as somewhere it is written in their so called holy scriptures... you can visit bahaiawareness . com for more details
Baha'i people are not forced in to religion and they can choose not to be Baha'i anytime they want. Any person that born from a Baha'i family is not a Baha'i until he research all religions thoroughly. I think they are misunderstanding something; during the revolution they jailed many bahais and forced them to change their believe to Islam, but they resisted and got executed. Maybe that's why Iranian government say something like that!!
May be there is some truth in the reasoning provided by Larijani about Bahaism for being a cult. I have many other reasons proving that it is a cult. It is a CULT 100%. Please visit my blog and discover. And the persecution of EX-Bahais is a known fact. The 'Shundamentalism' is what is practiced by the Bahais in evey period till today. Isn't this true?
@Naseremtesali By what you have said, you are proving that Islam, Christianity and many other religions are cults as well. Didn't Muslims killed many who did not follow Islam from the beginning of the religion up until today? That's a historical fact. Didn't we forget Catholics who killed Muslims in Crusades. What if a Muslim person in Iran declares that he wants to change religion? What would happen to that person? Can you name a Baha'i that got persecuted because he wanted to be Muslim?
Even pseudo Baha'u'llah (mad and insane as per the saying of Subh-i-Azal, who was his own brother) did not believed Islam and other Abrahamic religions to be cults. Then how can a person with proper mind believe these religions to be cults. Islam is peace and anybody who goes against it is not a Moslem and not obeying God the Almighty, let they be Mollah or anybody. I personally don't think there is any harm if anyperson does not want to believe in Islam. It is his wish. (contd...)
Even Bahaullah and Abdul Baha spend their lives in Islamic Countries, who killed them. As for the punishments given to Bahaullah it was not because of his belief but because of the Fights and crimes they were doing. The struggle between the two brothers took lives of many. AND last point I can name many Baha'is who were persecuted by Haifan Bahais because they believed differently one is Wahid Azal and if u want more names tell me. Bahaism is a hypocritical cult and it must be exposed
@Naseremtesali Abdul Baha and Bahaullah were not brothers. None of them got killed. Wahid Azal is a writer, he was no baha'i and he was never been in Haifa to be prosecuted by Haifan Bahais (as I have looked his name online). All this in on side, by your terminology Islam is 100% a cult. They killed and prosecuted many people from the start of the religion up until today just because of their religious views (sunny and shia wars) or because they changed their religion. But name a Baha'i of such
You are naive, man. How can I talk to u? Where did I say that these two were brothers? I said they were not killed by muslims inspite of so much FITNA they did? Who said to you that Wahid Azal is a writer? He may be a writer but he was a Baha'i and was severely persecuted. Search for his name and learn his views regarding your so called RELIGION. Let my terminology aside... Did Baha'u'llah believed ISLAM TO BE A CULT? tell me? Why he didn't believe if it is?
I somewhat agree that Baha'is do not persecute the one who wishes to leave the religion peacefully without further EXPOSING them. But if an ex-Bahai EXPOSES the hypocrisy of the Haifan Baha'i Cult then the persecution starts and it is a worst kind of persecution. And may be Larijani is talking about that. May be.. I am not sure.
Jesus, the Christ, said: "The truth shall set you free." Those who distort facts and supply false presentations do so out of prejudice or psychological insecurities of some kind, or simply out of hate. It is the same hate that Pharoah had for Moses, or the Pharasees for Christ, and the Idolaters against Muhammad, praise be unto Him. Nothing has changed. Free will offers man a choice: to love, or to hate. To be truthful, or to lie.
Thank you for the good comment. I agree totally with the saying of Jesus Christ "The truth shall set you free."
By the way have you visited my blog. Will you come over to my blog and post your arguments there. We can have some fruitful discussion there. bahaism .blogspot .com
Compared to Sunnis, Sufis, Ahl-e-Haqq and Ismailis the Bahais have been treated relatively better by the IR regime. The regime has almost out of its way to accomodate the Bahais. The Haifan Bahai organization wishes to capitalize on a situation it seeks to exasperate in Iran by provoking the regime to act against it so that it can keep its cause relevant and promote itself. Larijani is a bastard henchman of the regime but here is he absolutely correct that Bahaism is a cult!
Baha'is do not prevent themselves from leaving the Baha'i Faith. Mr Larijani is just upset that Baha'is do not recant their Faith and convert back to Islam. When you have seen Truth, it is impossible to lie and convert back to something else and reject the Truth. Baha'i Faith makes much more logical sense than Islam, in that Islamic beliefs are contrary to reason and science. See Evolution, it clearly refutes the false Islamic idea of God -a fantasy mythical figure of your imagination
Bahaullah sent down the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) through the agency of Angel Jibril. Your God is a construct, fabricated by your own mind, and doesn't exist.
@AJatheistgod, And Bayanis would say your god (Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri Baha') is the manifestation of the devil, the antichrist/dajjal and the primary letter of negation who sent nothing to anyone other than lies, misery, distortions, half truths and darkness.
@Naseremtesali I did visit your blog, thus I don't need to ask you why you left. I believe that your blog was created with the intention of portraying the Baha'i faith as a cruel and totalitarian religion, and since I do not know you personally I can't make further judgments... may I ask what your religion is right now?!
@Naseremtesali i think there is no point arguing anymore... your intentions are very clear, and you are afraid to expose yourself while making false accusations about another faith
If you want to argue please come to my blog. Visit the appropriate post. I do not delete any comment. If you want to talk further please comment on the posts and I am ready to reply to all your arguments. Please do come. Also please let the readers know about the false accusations. Which one is false? and how am I accusing you on which issue. Kindly point out the wrong things and I will remove it immediately. Promise.
@Naseremtesali Well, i don't want to argue, but the very fact that you call the Baha'i faith a 'cult' and not a religion is an accusation, because the Baha'i Faith has declared many times that it's an Independent Religion, if this is not something you are going to accept, then there is no need for further argument because we have a very fundamental disagreement. 1 more thing I'd like to ask you is, in the video above, do you really believe what this gentleman is saying is true?!
It's your wish if you don't want to believe what is proved and what are facts on my Blog. And yes I do believe and it is a fact that Baha'i faith (the religion established by Mr. Nuri) is a cult. Have you seen this also bahaicultfaq . blogspot . com ? (remove spaces)
@Naseremtesali you didn't answer my question... btw you cannot decide the faith of others, so there is no need for you to prove anything because your opinions are solely yours, others have a brain to decide and we don't want another dictator telling us what to do... answer the question i asked above please
Be Calm, don't get excited, please, for the sake of Baha'u'llah. I am not a dictator and i don't want to impose my views on you. But just because one of the foundation of your faith is "Independent Investigation of Truth", am I right? So was I telling you. Regarding your faith a Cult, yes, I do believe it and it is but I cannot put it here the reason because in the youtube you can just type a few words. Please do visit the link provided in my next coment. God bless u
@Naseremtesali I would be very stupid if I were to "investigate the truth" from YOUTUBE and from someone I don't even know... I think we don't need to talk anymore. I have my own brain and I don't need others to decide or 'prove' anything to me... you are saying you were a bahai yourself... i think you lie about that... so we don't need to talk anymore
O sorry I did not saw this comment of yours. Its your wish if you don't want to understand. May God guide us to the true path. May God (Allah) destroy the mischief makers and assist the true ones. Please do say Amen !
@Naseremtesali just look at the middle east, every muslim nation is killing eachother and their own people, so is it the Baha'is that are killing you guys?! or you guys are killing yourselves?! who should God guide?! Baha'is or Muslims?! you tell me
Thank you for giving me opportunity to write for you. Today you have also motivated me to write for your cult and explain to my readers that how it is a cult and not a religion. I hope you have visited my blog today. I have specially written for you. You can have a debate with me regarding any point u feel on my blog please. on youtube the commenting is very limited. one can post a very few words.
You are asking me look into the middle east. Actually you need to see into the middle east. Actually this is a good topic to write a blogpost on it. I will surely write one post on this. Who is responsible for the middle east crisis? Are the muslims root cause or some one else? Who has occupied the Palestinian lands? Who occupied Afghanistan? Who killed a million people in Iraq? Who supported Iraq in the invasion of Iran that led a war of 10 years and life of a million?
Who provided chemical weapons to Saddam husain? Who killed a million in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (not middle east)? Who provided weapons to libyan rebals? Who supported Ghaddafi to come to power? Who is supporting the Zionism? Who killed so many innocent people and children in Southern lebanon? What are you talking? Open you eyes? Awake friend from your slumber! Please... for the sake of Baha'u'llah.
Now answer my question : Are you ready to condemn Israel for the crimes it committed against humanity? Please answer in YES or NO. No lengthy answers please? Be specific : YES or NO
@Naseremtesali did u answer my questions before?! i asked you two questions but you don't answer, don't expect an answer when you are not willing to answer questions
I am sorry, I think I have answered all your questions. Regarding my Belief that your religion is a Cult. What was the other question. My religion, I am a Moslem. What more was your question? kindly repeat. Now answer my questions please.
@Naseremtesali 1. Do you believe what he is saying in this video is true?! 2.is it Baha'i people killing muslims , or is it muslims killing eachother and also Baha'is?!
Both of your questions have been answered, please read my comments carefully.
And I know you cannot answer my question because if you answer then your ABM will send a complaint to the counselor and your administrative rights will be taken.
@Naseremtesali I don't need to play cat and mouse games with you, you didn't answer my questions, so we don't need to talk, BTW i don't even know what an ABM is so i don't know if you know what you are talking about... have a good day
If you do not know what an ABM is then how you are a Baha'i?
ABM is abbriv of Auxillary Board Member. The Spies among your community. They report suspicious behavior of members to counselors. The counselors then report the matter to UHJ then warning issued and later Administrative Rights taken. Am I wrong? Regarding the answers to your questions, I again say I have already given read my comments carefully.
If I am wrong. Prove me! I can prove you what I said. Should I give you the link where you can read the duties of ABMs and Counselors. Will you be then satisfied? There is no prejudice. The thing is that you have been RUHI'IZED. Now please don't tell me you don't know the term RUHI.
@Naseremtesali you talk with so much hate, but i don't know what Baha'is did to you to make you so angry... we don't even have a country, we don't have an army, we don't have police, we don't have oil, why are you so angry?!
@Naseremtesali This paper identified four defining characteristics of a destructive cult: 1) a leader demanding total authority, 2.) the use of "controlling" techniques, 3.) social and physical isolation, 4.) extreme or fanatical behavior,A critical examination of the Bahai Faith showed that it did not embody any of these characteristics. The Baha`i faith should not be considerd a Cult but rather an oragnaized religion.
It emobodies all these characteristics. see this blog bahaicultfaq . blogspot . com
The UHJ is the leader of this cult, that does have absolute authority, all the members of this cult are supposed to submit themselves to this cult otherwise they are shunned declared "covenant breakers" and isolated. The ABMs for protection are the agents of UHJ who monitor every activity of a member and report it to counselors. This is an extremist cult when you study their activities in Iran
They are an extremist cult. They go in extreme when it comes to teach their religion to Iranian moslems. They do not teach in Israel due to a self imposed prohibition (They do not have any reason for this). But they are very active in Islamic countries, although they are banned to propagate their faith, they do. They believe in obeying the laws of the land they reside in but practically they do violate the laws of every land giving various reasons to justify their activities.
So is it that Baha'i believe Islam to be cult ? So how come a WORLD RELIGION comes out from a cult? If Bahaism is a Religion, then Azalism is also a religion, then Orthodox Baha'is are also a religion, then BUPC is also a religion, then Qadianism is also a religion, then believers of Gohar Shahi are also believers of a World Religion. See this the new manifestation of Baha'u'llah, will you believe him? goharshahi com
Is easy to give links from people who hate a religion, they will tell horrible things about that religion and many things are wrong, I know a lot of links that tell horrible things about Islam, I can see a lot of links that tell a lot of horrible things about Christians... and alot against other religions.
The only problem with your religion is that you people while proselytizing your faith to someone tell that this is the only religion with so many good things the others are dead, their period is over and this is the only one with no sects and such false things. In actuality your religion is (I am sorry if it hurts you) a cult that believes a body of those 9 guys (all male) sitting in Israel as the manifestation of God for today. And Baha'u'llah gave them the right...
... to rule the world. And you all the Card Carrying Members of this NWO organization are converting the people to establish a World Religion or a World Commonwealth that will rule the world. You people are snatching all the money of those newly converted Baha'is and then sending it to Haifa for the beautification of those shrines while so many poor are dying of hunger in Iraq, Afghanestan, Sudan, Congo. What you guys are doing for them? This is only a feel good cult, nothing new!
Muslims do worse than suing to people who claim to believe in His holiness Muhammad (central figure of Islam), for example they have killed many Baha'is, there are several imprisoned at the moment, Sunni and Shia Muslims have fought and killed each other, and there are numerous persecuted minority Muslim sects, perhaps you haven't heard of the actions of some of your own shameless leaders.
Have you ever read the AZALI material. What are their beliefs about your cult founder Baha'u'llah. Visit bayanic .com and read how many Azalis were killed by the goons of Baha'u'llah. How Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi assassinated (Character Assassination) the members of their own family. Presently there are 47 Baha'is in Iran who are held for their illegal connection with Israel. The Mullas did not murdered that number of Baha'is but the Baha'is murdered more Azalis.
This is contrary and false in my experience of over 30 years of association with members of the Baha'i Faith.
Christians still regard Islam as a cult.
Jews regard Christianity as a cult.
Cult is a very easy word to use, like Jap, or Niggar, or Injun...
It is a poor and misleading description of those you wish to vilify to prove a prejudice, which is clearly apparent in this interview, filled with gross inaccuracies and grave distortions, fabrications, and ignoble falsehoods.
@Naseremtesali So exactly what are you doing other than saying this is false and that is false? Please provide a source that does not deal lies and decit and take from actual facts in history that have been documented by a Neutral or Pro source for any other report will almost always be misleading and biased. Another thing you may want to check out is whether or not the site or link you give has factual refrences as to where you can find this information from another source.
So is it UN that certifies a religion to be heavenly. The cult that is having its offices in UN and is registered as a Company in almost all the countries with its symbols Trademarked. I have never heard of this type of religion in the past that trademarks its figures and symbols and then sues those who use them.
You are right they are cult. They believe their UHJ to be infallible. The believe that this democratically elected UHJ cannot commit a mistake by mistake. UHJ is the manifestation of God for today. The most dangerous cult of today that is backed by the zionist Israel.
@Naseremtesali - in terms of the "infallibility" of the House, that is to say that in accordance with our teachings their decree derived from consultation on the holy scripture is considered authoritative by the decree of God. It does not, however, confer infallibility in the sense that every conclusion they draw is correct. They could not decree, for instance, night to be day and earth to be sky and have it be so.
@sayyid14 - Actually the Baha'i faith regards the Sikhs quite highly for recognizing the harmony of those two faiths. That Hinduism has been corrupted into a polytheistic religion should be no wonder to Muslims, who should well remember the verses in the Qur'an about how the pagan Arabs associated partners with the one God, and that their own faith has many names for God, thus the concept of names describing His attributes (the Creator, the Destroyer) should not be new to them.
@PeterJDeer What i was learned , research & study,i've also listen to Zakir Naik lecture with Hindu Scholar ,Early Hinduism was True Religion & Monotheism.Vedas,Purana,Bhagavad Gitatold that just only 1 God,Hindus Book also Prophecies about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ,his Family & his Companion such detail,it shock me,it also have scientific fact which discovered over last Century with advance technology .amazing!.Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)said that God have send 124 ,000 Prophet and Messenger.
@PeterJDeer Sikh religion are Mixed element both Hindusim and Islam,Sikh belief in Reincarnation,Meditation celebrate Dewali,Sikh Belief in Hindu God Ram & etc,Sikh Book are Wrote by Muslim Sufi,Hindus,10Guru,Sikh have Islamic belief ,if you died been killed,or died in battle they using "shaheed".Gudwara architecture are very similar to Mosque(Bahai,Orthodox Christian not same at all).Sikh also belief in 1 GOD which islamic belief,they way of dressing,they weapon(arab sword) are same.N many more
@PeterJDeer Sikh told that they 1st Guru.GUru nanak go to Mekkah and enter Kabaa.i research and study Guru Nanak was a Muslim and never claim that he create new relgion coz in his poery which now becoming Sikh prayer sound like this" ek on kar satnam" mean only 1 universal creation.Sikh Weaponary are from ISlam inluce liek sword,amory,they also have many Arabic/Persian loanword coz. islam ruler india since 650AD Umyyad to Mughal 1858AD and latter,Hyderabad State,Other small Muslim kingdom
@PeterJDeer Guru Nanak visited Hijaz to learn Holy Scriptures of Islam - Qura'an and Hadees.He was disillusioned with discrimination in Islam and Hinduism and the essence of Sikh teaching is summed up by Nanak in these words: "Realisation of Truth is higher than all else. Higher still is truthful living". Guru Nanak Sahib were a Muslim they performed Hajj as well as 12 years of Chila Meditation at the Roza of Sheikh Al-Baghdadi Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani Ghouse e Azam
@PeterJDeer Honestly Nanak aka Abdul Hassan exactly same muslim Sufi asware Baba Fareed,Bulla Shah He was one of the greastest Sufis his work is of very high value
Just See Mul Mantra Which Fact in Quran All sikh must know this what NANAK MESSENGE! any person who know sufism in DEPTH know very well SUFI ENCHANTS like Na koi Hindu
na koi Muslamaan.when a trus sufi is in the state of ecstasy.Sikhs no any answer to deny that that he was in fact A great sufi Muslim.Sikh cant expect it cos they shame
@PeterJDeer According to Professor Abdul Jaleel,Baba Nanak also married in a muslim famly this pointt very important because no respectale muslim family would talem
nanak as son in law unless he was know to be as Muslim,nanak lived in a country under muslim(sunni) rule where the marriage of muslim woman to a non muslim
would on no account be tolerated.this point is best prooff n 100% that nank was a muslim by his contemporarries
@PeterJDeer After hundred of yrs they copied poerty of may Sufi poets ad made book so called GRANTH SAHIB they fabricated new religion n created tussle with muslim.Bhai Mardana was first disciple of nanak he never becoming sikh,he died as Muslim he went to mecca with nanak n both did hajj stayed mny yrs in baghdad,Mardana remained whole his life muslim n died as a muslim if nana had invented
Sikism latter be corrupted by 5 to last Guru & brought element of Hinduism.Nanak never preached sikhs.
@PeterJDee majority of the Sikhs agree without a shadow of doubt that Guru Nanak used to say PRAYERS like Muslims. All the Sikhs agree that Guru Nanak went to the Ka'aba (Mecca) for performing HAJJ. most the Sikhs agree that his first 'Murshad' (spiritual teacher) was a Muslim saint, near Nankana Sahib in Sheikupura, Pakistan, and again, all of them believe that a large number of his followers were drawn from the Muslim faith, and Bhai Murdana, for instance, is one of the leading figures.
Guru Nanak either went to Makkah as a Muslim or he didn't? go there at all,,or he declared himself to be a Muslim when he was not for the sake of entering the Harem and this is because,,No none Muslims at any point of Islamic history were allowed to enter the Harem of Makkah and this is still being maintained as of today. But the Sikh community seem to disagree with with the fact that Guru Nanak was a Muslim.
@PeterJDeer If guru Nanak wasnt a Muslim as according to the Sikh community then this makes matters worse, it establishes that Guru Nanak was lying about his travel, he was either lying to the Muslim authority in Makkah about his faith? to gain access in the Harem, or he didn't go there at all and drew up a fantastic story, or he went there as a Muslim and disguised this fact from his followers.
"Guru Nanak Ji studied the Vedas and Shastras seriously and deeply but gave them up as being unimpressive." (Nuskha Akhbar Dyanandian p. 197.)
"Guru Nanak Ji never professed the authenticity of Vedas with any respect or reverence like the other followers of Vedas, nor did he believe that the Vedas are Divine books, nor he considered that the contents of Vedas could teach lofty virtues of truthfulness and honesty." (Guru Sat Dershan . p.91)
@PeterJDeer The Chola reverently called the Chola Sahib by the Sikhs is kept at Dera Nanak in the Punjab in a sacred building specially built for the sacred relic left by the founder of Sikhism. It is a long cloak with short sleeves and is made of brown cotton cloth. It is stated in the Sakhi of the Chola that upon Nanak's death, the sacred Chola passed to his first successor, Angrad,Nanak Chola(Jubba or Robe) have Quranic Verse and Sikh cant accpet the truth that Sikh was ISLAM SUFI Before!!
@PeterJDeer Sikh only cult who cant accpet that sikh mixed islam and hindus,not Bahai,Mormon,Druze..i hate sikh cost they said we have nothing to do with islam,sikh never take any elemnet..hahaha.what about Shaheed.what about Rabb.Allah in your "man made book" they said Nanak was prophet but not! they said GURU GRANTH SAHIB IS WORD OF GOD BUT IT WAS WRITEN BY MAN SUFI+HINDU+10GURU by more 300year until 1708
very widespread in Sikhism and is found in the Granth
Sahib as well, ever thought where it came from? From
the Holy Qur'an which was written over 1400 years ago!.SO SOORY SIKH YOU ARE CULT.U MUST ACCEPT TRUTH THAT SIKH ARE MIXED NOT TRUE RELGION LIKE HINDUS.BUDDISTH.ARAHAMIC AND OTHERS
Baghdad but the question is if Nanak wasn't a Muslim
he had no reason to be in Baghdad. He spent 12
long years in Baghdad, which was then a major centre
for the Sufis.12 year is not shot why he dont traveler to China? why Islamic world? THIS IS WHY MANY SIKH SCHOLAR CONVERT TO ISLAM COST THEY KNEW THE TRUE TEACHING OF NANAK IS ISLAM AND HE WAS SUFI.THIS IS WHY REASON SIKH SONG OR MUSIC SIMILAR TO PUNJABI/PAKISTANI SUFI COS SIKH FROM SUFI IN THAT AREA!
@sayyid14 I have learn and Study SIkh since 2007 until now..i want SIkh be Muslim Back..i know that SIkh scholar knew that Muslm and sikh have common similarity..they are so many i wanna to wrote..if u have question just asked me..i love to exposed SIKH CULT..THIS IS WHY OUR PROPHET MUHMMMAD(PBUH) AGAIST INNOVATION(BIDAAH) COz innovation crated new relgion.when you debate or talking to sikh if they have no anwers they like to using bad,anyoing,insulting word...this is wat SIkh is.learn sikhism!
Firstly the term "in very rare case" is wrong. The Baha'is are leaving the Baha'i cult en masse. And those who are just leaving it without exposing it are left alone. Nothing is done to them but those who are exposing the cult they are severely boycotted. An example is of Wahid Azal (A prominent Azali now) and many ex-baha'is who left the cult and then exposed the corruption among them. They were declared as Covenant Breakers and severely shunned. All their family relations cut off
To me Baha'is are fellow Iranians and should not be mistreated in any way just for being Baha'i.
But who are the Baha'is? the kid who sat next to me at fifth grade or those who committed massive thefts out of National coffers during the revolution and fled to US and Israel?I will defend the rights of the former, my fellow Iranians to any extent, and I recognize the right of the state to deal with the latter. Life is being made harder for Baha'is in this process. I wish that was not the case.
There may have been occasions that Baha'is in Iran have been treated unkindly, just because of their beleives. But the tenuous situation the West is working hard to create amounts to a crude outside agitation and to my knowledge is not taken seriously by our Baha'i compatriots.
@DerafsheKavian "Treated unkindly"??? Either you're disturbingly drawn to euphemisms or you're strikingly misinformed (and I hope that doesn't sound condescending): over 200 Baha'is have been killed since the establishment of the Islamic Republic, and at least 40 are in prison right now solely for their beliefs. That's not just being "treated unkindly". And what the "West" does has nothing to do with the plight of prisoners of conscience. We aren't "agents" of the West.
Someone should tell Mr. Larijani that from the perspective of Sunni Muslims, Mr. Larijani, a Shia, follows a cult himself!
If someone tries to leave Islam he/she would be condemned to death by Mr. Larijani and his coreligionists. Yet anyone seems to be free to join the Bahai religions or leave it. I know a number of people who stopped being Bahais and no one imposed any sanction on them.
@dadham : The fundamental problem I have with Baha'is is that I see many on the internet supporting Zionists. Zionism is anti-Iran irrespective of whether you support the current government or not. Some of these acts are dangerously close to being acts of treason.
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OneWorldBore 3 weeks ago
bahai is a creation of freemasons like communism. beware of this satanic cult. a religion need a holy book, bahais don´t have one. their allowing marriages between family members.
ardalanhamrah 1 month ago
@ardalanhamrah
My Friend, I understand your hate towards this cult. But let me express my views to your comment. They are 100% tools in the hands of imperialists and terrorist regimes and so called super powers of today. It is not a satanic cult except if you believe that Baha'u'llah was a Satan. They do have a religious books (Aqdas & Ighan) but it is useless as the Baha'is do not study them. Now-a-days they read only 'Ruhi Books' as they are sure that those two books are rubish
Naseremtesali 1 month ago
@ardalanhamrah
Regarding the marriage between family members, I am not sure but it is not forbidden in them as somewhere it is written in their so called holy scriptures... you can visit bahaiawareness . com for more details
Naseremtesali 1 month ago
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If you believe in it, it is a religion or perhaps 'the only' religion;
and if you do not care one way or another about it, it is a sect;
but if you fear and hate it, it is a cult
waiotahi52 1 month ago
Fuck Ahmadinejad the monkey.
Galaxxyz 5 months ago
@Galaxxyz
Why you want to fxxx Ahmadinejad? Do this to UHJ members?
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali Shut the fk up.
Galaxxyz 3 months ago
@Galaxxyz
I don't want to insult your MoG, otherwise I would have used these kind of wordings for him. How sick you are!
Naseremtesali 3 months ago
@Naseremtesali My MoG? What are you on about..
Galaxxyz 3 months ago
@Galaxxyz
Manifestation of God (???????!!!!!)
Naseremtesali 3 months ago
Baha'i people are not forced in to religion and they can choose not to be Baha'i anytime they want. Any person that born from a Baha'i family is not a Baha'i until he research all religions thoroughly. I think they are misunderstanding something; during the revolution they jailed many bahais and forced them to change their believe to Islam, but they resisted and got executed. Maybe that's why Iranian government say something like that!!
sinashsh 5 months ago
@sinashsh
May be there is some truth in the reasoning provided by Larijani about Bahaism for being a cult. I have many other reasons proving that it is a cult. It is a CULT 100%. Please visit my blog and discover. And the persecution of EX-Bahais is a known fact. The 'Shundamentalism' is what is practiced by the Bahais in evey period till today. Isn't this true?
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali By what you have said, you are proving that Islam, Christianity and many other religions are cults as well. Didn't Muslims killed many who did not follow Islam from the beginning of the religion up until today? That's a historical fact. Didn't we forget Catholics who killed Muslims in Crusades. What if a Muslim person in Iran declares that he wants to change religion? What would happen to that person? Can you name a Baha'i that got persecuted because he wanted to be Muslim?
sinashsh 5 months ago
@sinashsh
Even pseudo Baha'u'llah (mad and insane as per the saying of Subh-i-Azal, who was his own brother) did not believed Islam and other Abrahamic religions to be cults. Then how can a person with proper mind believe these religions to be cults. Islam is peace and anybody who goes against it is not a Moslem and not obeying God the Almighty, let they be Mollah or anybody. I personally don't think there is any harm if anyperson does not want to believe in Islam. It is his wish. (contd...)
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@sinashsh
Even Bahaullah and Abdul Baha spend their lives in Islamic Countries, who killed them. As for the punishments given to Bahaullah it was not because of his belief but because of the Fights and crimes they were doing. The struggle between the two brothers took lives of many. AND last point I can name many Baha'is who were persecuted by Haifan Bahais because they believed differently one is Wahid Azal and if u want more names tell me. Bahaism is a hypocritical cult and it must be exposed
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali Abdul Baha and Bahaullah were not brothers. None of them got killed. Wahid Azal is a writer, he was no baha'i and he was never been in Haifa to be prosecuted by Haifan Bahais (as I have looked his name online). All this in on side, by your terminology Islam is 100% a cult. They killed and prosecuted many people from the start of the religion up until today just because of their religious views (sunny and shia wars) or because they changed their religion. But name a Baha'i of such
sinashsh 5 months ago
@sinashsh
You are naive, man. How can I talk to u? Where did I say that these two were brothers? I said they were not killed by muslims inspite of so much FITNA they did? Who said to you that Wahid Azal is a writer? He may be a writer but he was a Baha'i and was severely persecuted. Search for his name and learn his views regarding your so called RELIGION. Let my terminology aside... Did Baha'u'llah believed ISLAM TO BE A CULT? tell me? Why he didn't believe if it is?
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@sinashsh
I somewhat agree that Baha'is do not persecute the one who wishes to leave the religion peacefully without further EXPOSING them. But if an ex-Bahai EXPOSES the hypocrisy of the Haifan Baha'i Cult then the persecution starts and it is a worst kind of persecution. And may be Larijani is talking about that. May be.. I am not sure.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
Jesus, the Christ, said: "The truth shall set you free." Those who distort facts and supply false presentations do so out of prejudice or psychological insecurities of some kind, or simply out of hate. It is the same hate that Pharoah had for Moses, or the Pharasees for Christ, and the Idolaters against Muhammad, praise be unto Him. Nothing has changed. Free will offers man a choice: to love, or to hate. To be truthful, or to lie.
fsmtdaler 5 months ago
@fsmtdaler
Thank you for the good comment. I agree totally with the saying of Jesus Christ "The truth shall set you free."
By the way have you visited my blog. Will you come over to my blog and post your arguments there. We can have some fruitful discussion there. bahaism .blogspot .com
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
Compared to Sunnis, Sufis, Ahl-e-Haqq and Ismailis the Bahais have been treated relatively better by the IR regime. The regime has almost out of its way to accomodate the Bahais. The Haifan Bahai organization wishes to capitalize on a situation it seeks to exasperate in Iran by provoking the regime to act against it so that it can keep its cause relevant and promote itself. Larijani is a bastard henchman of the regime but here is he absolutely correct that Bahaism is a cult!
wahidazal 7 months ago
Baha'is do not prevent themselves from leaving the Baha'i Faith. Mr Larijani is just upset that Baha'is do not recant their Faith and convert back to Islam. When you have seen Truth, it is impossible to lie and convert back to something else and reject the Truth. Baha'i Faith makes much more logical sense than Islam, in that Islamic beliefs are contrary to reason and science. See Evolution, it clearly refutes the false Islamic idea of God -a fantasy mythical figure of your imagination
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
Bahaullah sent down the Quran to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) through the agency of Angel Jibril. Your God is a construct, fabricated by your own mind, and doesn't exist.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod
You are mad!
Naseremtesali 7 months ago
@Naseremtesali All that you see is my friend, I have no one to be mad at. May the Glory of Baha'u'llah be upon thee and upon all mankind.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod, And Bayanis would say your god (Mirza Husayn 'Ali Nuri Baha') is the manifestation of the devil, the antichrist/dajjal and the primary letter of negation who sent nothing to anyone other than lies, misery, distortions, half truths and darkness.
wahidazal 7 months ago
Baha'i Faith ٱلصِّرَٲطَ ٱلۡمُسۡتَقِيمَ
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod
Which Baha'is faith is ٱلصِّرَٲطَ ٱلۡمُسۡتَقِيمَ ?
Orthodox, Haifan, BUPC, R. Bahais, Free Bahais, Unitarian Bahais, Soghomonian Bahais? Which one ?
Naseremtesali 7 months ago
@Naseremtesali are you a bahai?!
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
I was. Now will you ask me why I left it?
Have u visited my blog ? The answers are posted there. Do visit please.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali I did visit your blog, thus I don't need to ask you why you left. I believe that your blog was created with the intention of portraying the Baha'i faith as a cruel and totalitarian religion, and since I do not know you personally I can't make further judgments... may I ask what your religion is right now?!
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
I am a JEW.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@ramtinking
;-)
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali i think there is no point arguing anymore... your intentions are very clear, and you are afraid to expose yourself while making false accusations about another faith
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Dear Ramtin,
If you want to argue please come to my blog. Visit the appropriate post. I do not delete any comment. If you want to talk further please comment on the posts and I am ready to reply to all your arguments. Please do come. Also please let the readers know about the false accusations. Which one is false? and how am I accusing you on which issue. Kindly point out the wrong things and I will remove it immediately. Promise.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali Well, i don't want to argue, but the very fact that you call the Baha'i faith a 'cult' and not a religion is an accusation, because the Baha'i Faith has declared many times that it's an Independent Religion, if this is not something you are going to accept, then there is no need for further argument because we have a very fundamental disagreement. 1 more thing I'd like to ask you is, in the video above, do you really believe what this gentleman is saying is true?!
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Dear Ramtin,
It's your wish if you don't want to believe what is proved and what are facts on my Blog. And yes I do believe and it is a fact that Baha'i faith (the religion established by Mr. Nuri) is a cult. Have you seen this also bahaicultfaq . blogspot . com ? (remove spaces)
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali you didn't answer my question... btw you cannot decide the faith of others, so there is no need for you to prove anything because your opinions are solely yours, others have a brain to decide and we don't want another dictator telling us what to do... answer the question i asked above please
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Darling Ramtin,
Be Calm, don't get excited, please, for the sake of Baha'u'llah. I am not a dictator and i don't want to impose my views on you. But just because one of the foundation of your faith is "Independent Investigation of Truth", am I right? So was I telling you. Regarding your faith a Cult, yes, I do believe it and it is but I cannot put it here the reason because in the youtube you can just type a few words. Please do visit the link provided in my next coment. God bless u
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali I would be very stupid if I were to "investigate the truth" from YOUTUBE and from someone I don't even know... I think we don't need to talk anymore. I have my own brain and I don't need others to decide or 'prove' anything to me... you are saying you were a bahai yourself... i think you lie about that... so we don't need to talk anymore
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
O sorry I did not saw this comment of yours. Its your wish if you don't want to understand. May God guide us to the true path. May God (Allah) destroy the mischief makers and assist the true ones. Please do say Amen !
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali just look at the middle east, every muslim nation is killing eachother and their own people, so is it the Baha'is that are killing you guys?! or you guys are killing yourselves?! who should God guide?! Baha'is or Muslims?! you tell me
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Dear Ramtin,
Thank you for giving me opportunity to write for you. Today you have also motivated me to write for your cult and explain to my readers that how it is a cult and not a religion. I hope you have visited my blog today. I have specially written for you. You can have a debate with me regarding any point u feel on my blog please. on youtube the commenting is very limited. one can post a very few words.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Dear Ramtin,
You are asking me look into the middle east. Actually you need to see into the middle east. Actually this is a good topic to write a blogpost on it. I will surely write one post on this. Who is responsible for the middle east crisis? Are the muslims root cause or some one else? Who has occupied the Palestinian lands? Who occupied Afghanistan? Who killed a million people in Iraq? Who supported Iraq in the invasion of Iran that led a war of 10 years and life of a million?
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Who provided chemical weapons to Saddam husain? Who killed a million in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (not middle east)? Who provided weapons to libyan rebals? Who supported Ghaddafi to come to power? Who is supporting the Zionism? Who killed so many innocent people and children in Southern lebanon? What are you talking? Open you eyes? Awake friend from your slumber! Please... for the sake of Baha'u'llah.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Now answer my question : Are you ready to condemn Israel for the crimes it committed against humanity? Please answer in YES or NO. No lengthy answers please? Be specific : YES or NO
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali did u answer my questions before?! i asked you two questions but you don't answer, don't expect an answer when you are not willing to answer questions
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Dear Ramtin,
I am sorry, I think I have answered all your questions. Regarding my Belief that your religion is a Cult. What was the other question. My religion, I am a Moslem. What more was your question? kindly repeat. Now answer my questions please.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali 1. Do you believe what he is saying in this video is true?! 2.is it Baha'i people killing muslims , or is it muslims killing eachother and also Baha'is?!
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Ramtin,
Both of your questions have been answered, please read my comments carefully.
And I know you cannot answer my question because if you answer then your ABM will send a complaint to the counselor and your administrative rights will be taken.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali I don't need to play cat and mouse games with you, you didn't answer my questions, so we don't need to talk, BTW i don't even know what an ABM is so i don't know if you know what you are talking about... have a good day
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
If you do not know what an ABM is then how you are a Baha'i?
ABM is abbriv of Auxillary Board Member. The Spies among your community. They report suspicious behavior of members to counselors. The counselors then report the matter to UHJ then warning issued and later Administrative Rights taken. Am I wrong? Regarding the answers to your questions, I again say I have already given read my comments carefully.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali No, you are wrong :)... but i'm glad at least you are doing research, i only wish you did it without prejudice... :)
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
If I am wrong. Prove me! I can prove you what I said. Should I give you the link where you can read the duties of ABMs and Counselors. Will you be then satisfied? There is no prejudice. The thing is that you have been RUHI'IZED. Now please don't tell me you don't know the term RUHI.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@Naseremtesali you talk with so much hate, but i don't know what Baha'is did to you to make you so angry... we don't even have a country, we don't have an army, we don't have police, we don't have oil, why are you so angry?!
ramtinking 5 months ago
@ramtinking
I am not angry. I am very calm. You don't need the link of "duties of ABMs and COUNSELORS"???
By the way have you seen the pictures of MASS PROTESTS IN HAIFA. Visit my blog. Bab's shrine is witnessing the Mass Protests in Haifa.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
@ramtinking
Dear Ramtin,
You answer is here : bahaism . blogspot . com/2011/09/how-bahai-faith-is-cult.html
be kind enough to remove the spaces from the URL.
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
arvadin sikim
MAHASTYHAYEDE 7 months ago
@MAHASTYHAYEDE
UHJ sikim ;)
Naseremtesali 7 months ago
@Naseremtesali This paper identified four defining characteristics of a destructive cult: 1) a leader demanding total authority, 2.) the use of "controlling" techniques, 3.) social and physical isolation, 4.) extreme or fanatical behavior,A critical examination of the Bahai Faith showed that it did not embody any of these characteristics. The Baha`i faith should not be considerd a Cult but rather an oragnaized religion.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES
It emobodies all these characteristics. see this blog bahaicultfaq . blogspot . com
The UHJ is the leader of this cult, that does have absolute authority, all the members of this cult are supposed to submit themselves to this cult otherwise they are shunned declared "covenant breakers" and isolated. The ABMs for protection are the agents of UHJ who monitor every activity of a member and report it to counselors. This is an extremist cult when you study their activities in Iran
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES
They are an extremist cult. They go in extreme when it comes to teach their religion to Iranian moslems. They do not teach in Israel due to a self imposed prohibition (They do not have any reason for this). But they are very active in Islamic countries, although they are banned to propagate their faith, they do. They believe in obeying the laws of the land they reside in but practically they do violate the laws of every land giving various reasons to justify their activities.
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
@BAHAIRULES
Dear Haifan, you need to visit this website for more information about killing of Azalis by Baha'is by the orders of Baha'u'llah.
bayanic . com
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
So is it that Baha'i believe Islam to be cult ? So how come a WORLD RELIGION comes out from a cult? If Bahaism is a Religion, then Azalism is also a religion, then Orthodox Baha'is are also a religion, then BUPC is also a religion, then Qadianism is also a religion, then believers of Gohar Shahi are also believers of a World Religion. See this the new manifestation of Baha'u'llah, will you believe him? goharshahi com
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
You are a liar !! But you know that already.
sheilaasma 9 months ago
Is easy to give links from people who hate a religion, they will tell horrible things about that religion and many things are wrong, I know a lot of links that tell horrible things about Islam, I can see a lot of links that tell a lot of horrible things about Christians... and alot against other religions.
Alahyana 9 months ago
@Alahyana
Dear Friend
The only problem with your religion is that you people while proselytizing your faith to someone tell that this is the only religion with so many good things the others are dead, their period is over and this is the only one with no sects and such false things. In actuality your religion is (I am sorry if it hurts you) a cult that believes a body of those 9 guys (all male) sitting in Israel as the manifestation of God for today. And Baha'u'llah gave them the right...
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
@Alahyana
... to rule the world. And you all the Card Carrying Members of this NWO organization are converting the people to establish a World Religion or a World Commonwealth that will rule the world. You people are snatching all the money of those newly converted Baha'is and then sending it to Haifa for the beautification of those shrines while so many poor are dying of hunger in Iraq, Afghanestan, Sudan, Congo. What you guys are doing for them? This is only a feel good cult, nothing new!
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
NaserEmtasali,
Muslims do worse than suing to people who claim to believe in His holiness Muhammad (central figure of Islam), for example they have killed many Baha'is, there are several imprisoned at the moment, Sunni and Shia Muslims have fought and killed each other, and there are numerous persecuted minority Muslim sects, perhaps you haven't heard of the actions of some of your own shameless leaders.
danieldemol 9 months ago
@danieldemol
Hi Friend !
Have you ever read the AZALI material. What are their beliefs about your cult founder Baha'u'llah. Visit bayanic .com and read how many Azalis were killed by the goons of Baha'u'llah. How Abdul Baha and Shoghi Effendi assassinated (Character Assassination) the members of their own family. Presently there are 47 Baha'is in Iran who are held for their illegal connection with Israel. The Mullas did not murdered that number of Baha'is but the Baha'is murdered more Azalis.
Naseremtesali 9 months ago
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BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
This is contrary and false in my experience of over 30 years of association with members of the Baha'i Faith.
Christians still regard Islam as a cult.
Jews regard Christianity as a cult.
Cult is a very easy word to use, like Jap, or Niggar, or Injun...
It is a poor and misleading description of those you wish to vilify to prove a prejudice, which is clearly apparent in this interview, filled with gross inaccuracies and grave distortions, fabrications, and ignoble falsehoods.
fsmtdaler 10 months ago
@fsmtdaler
It is very easy to say this is false and that is false. Please visit this blog to have a deeper insight of your cult.
bahaicultfaq . blogspot . com
Naseremtesali 10 months ago
@Naseremtesali So exactly what are you doing other than saying this is false and that is false? Please provide a source that does not deal lies and decit and take from actual facts in history that have been documented by a Neutral or Pro source for any other report will almost always be misleading and biased. Another thing you may want to check out is whether or not the site or link you give has factual refrences as to where you can find this information from another source.
BAHAIRULES 9 months ago
@fsmtdaler
I have replied to this on my blog. Please do visit. bahaism . blogspot . com
Naseremtesali 5 months ago
Baha'i Faith as a religion is recognized as a world religion by the United Nations and some 120 countires
Beulah502 1 year ago
@Beulah502
So is it UN that certifies a religion to be heavenly. The cult that is having its offices in UN and is registered as a Company in almost all the countries with its symbols Trademarked. I have never heard of this type of religion in the past that trademarks its figures and symbols and then sues those who use them.
Naseremtesali 1 year ago
You are right they are cult. They believe their UHJ to be infallible. The believe that this democratically elected UHJ cannot commit a mistake by mistake. UHJ is the manifestation of God for today. The most dangerous cult of today that is backed by the zionist Israel.
Naseremtesali 1 year ago
@Naseremtesali - in terms of the "infallibility" of the House, that is to say that in accordance with our teachings their decree derived from consultation on the holy scripture is considered authoritative by the decree of God. It does not, however, confer infallibility in the sense that every conclusion they draw is correct. They could not decree, for instance, night to be day and earth to be sky and have it be so.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
Bahai are Cult same like Sikh(mixed both Islam and Hindus)
sayyid14 1 year ago
@sayyid14 - Actually the Baha'i faith regards the Sikhs quite highly for recognizing the harmony of those two faiths. That Hinduism has been corrupted into a polytheistic religion should be no wonder to Muslims, who should well remember the verses in the Qur'an about how the pagan Arabs associated partners with the one God, and that their own faith has many names for God, thus the concept of names describing His attributes (the Creator, the Destroyer) should not be new to them.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer What i was learned , research & study,i've also listen to Zakir Naik lecture with Hindu Scholar ,Early Hinduism was True Religion & Monotheism.Vedas,Purana,Bhagavad Gitatold that just only 1 God,Hindus Book also Prophecies about Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ,his Family & his Companion such detail,it shock me,it also have scientific fact which discovered over last Century with advance technology .amazing!.Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)said that God have send 124 ,000 Prophet and Messenger.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Sikh religion are Mixed element both Hindusim and Islam,Sikh belief in Reincarnation,Meditation celebrate Dewali,Sikh Belief in Hindu God Ram & etc,Sikh Book are Wrote by Muslim Sufi,Hindus,10Guru,Sikh have Islamic belief ,if you died been killed,or died in battle they using "shaheed".Gudwara architecture are very similar to Mosque(Bahai,Orthodox Christian not same at all).Sikh also belief in 1 GOD which islamic belief,they way of dressing,they weapon(arab sword) are same.N many more
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Sikh told that they 1st Guru.GUru nanak go to Mekkah and enter Kabaa.i research and study Guru Nanak was a Muslim and never claim that he create new relgion coz in his poery which now becoming Sikh prayer sound like this" ek on kar satnam" mean only 1 universal creation.Sikh Weaponary are from ISlam inluce liek sword,amory,they also have many Arabic/Persian loanword coz. islam ruler india since 650AD Umyyad to Mughal 1858AD and latter,Hyderabad State,Other small Muslim kingdom
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Guru Nanak visited Hijaz to learn Holy Scriptures of Islam - Qura'an and Hadees.He was disillusioned with discrimination in Islam and Hinduism and the essence of Sikh teaching is summed up by Nanak in these words: "Realisation of Truth is higher than all else. Higher still is truthful living". Guru Nanak Sahib were a Muslim they performed Hajj as well as 12 years of Chila Meditation at the Roza of Sheikh Al-Baghdadi Syed Abdul Qadir Jilani Ghouse e Azam
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Honestly Nanak aka Abdul Hassan exactly same muslim Sufi asware Baba Fareed,Bulla Shah He was one of the greastest Sufis his work is of very high value
Just See Mul Mantra Which Fact in Quran All sikh must know this what NANAK MESSENGE! any person who know sufism in DEPTH know very well SUFI ENCHANTS like Na koi Hindu
na koi Muslamaan.when a trus sufi is in the state of ecstasy.Sikhs no any answer to deny that that he was in fact A great sufi Muslim.Sikh cant expect it cos they shame
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer According to Professor Abdul Jaleel,Baba Nanak also married in a muslim famly this pointt very important because no respectale muslim family would talem
nanak as son in law unless he was know to be as Muslim,nanak lived in a country under muslim(sunni) rule where the marriage of muslim woman to a non muslim
would on no account be tolerated.this point is best prooff n 100% that nank was a muslim by his contemporarries
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer After hundred of yrs they copied poerty of may Sufi poets ad made book so called GRANTH SAHIB they fabricated new religion n created tussle with muslim.Bhai Mardana was first disciple of nanak he never becoming sikh,he died as Muslim he went to mecca with nanak n both did hajj stayed mny yrs in baghdad,Mardana remained whole his life muslim n died as a muslim if nana had invented
Sikism latter be corrupted by 5 to last Guru & brought element of Hinduism.Nanak never preached sikhs.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDee majority of the Sikhs agree without a shadow of doubt that Guru Nanak used to say PRAYERS like Muslims. All the Sikhs agree that Guru Nanak went to the Ka'aba (Mecca) for performing HAJJ. most the Sikhs agree that his first 'Murshad' (spiritual teacher) was a Muslim saint, near Nankana Sahib in Sheikupura, Pakistan, and again, all of them believe that a large number of his followers were drawn from the Muslim faith, and Bhai Murdana, for instance, is one of the leading figures.
sayyid14 1 year ago
Guru Nanak either went to Makkah as a Muslim or he didn't? go there at all,,or he declared himself to be a Muslim when he was not for the sake of entering the Harem and this is because,,No none Muslims at any point of Islamic history were allowed to enter the Harem of Makkah and this is still being maintained as of today. But the Sikh community seem to disagree with with the fact that Guru Nanak was a Muslim.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer If guru Nanak wasnt a Muslim as according to the Sikh community then this makes matters worse, it establishes that Guru Nanak was lying about his travel, he was either lying to the Muslim authority in Makkah about his faith? to gain access in the Harem, or he didn't go there at all and drew up a fantastic story, or he went there as a Muslim and disguised this fact from his followers.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
As Nanak was getting older he wore a jubba (like a
kurta pajama but without the slit down the side and
slightly longer!), he started wearing a turban and
lengthening his beard. This was not customary for
Hindus to wear such items, there is absolutely no
other rationale answer but to conclude that he was
following the sunnah (the way) of the Holy Prophet
Muhammad (saw), which every devout Muslim endeavors
to do. The Prophet (saw) used to wear a jubba
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Nanak used to lengthen his beard, and he used to wear a
turban, just like many of the Prophets that had come
before. Now you may think that Sikhs don't cut their
beard and they wear turbans so maybe he was a Sikh, a
quick and simple answer is that Sikhism wasn't even
around at this time, only a couple of hundred years
later was the Sikh Khalsa formed at the hands of Guru
Gobind Singh.GURU GOBIND SINGH CHANGE MANY THING..HE LIFESTLYE LIKE ARABIAN PEOPLE OR MIDDLEEAST MUSLIM.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
"Guru Nanak Ji studied the Vedas and Shastras seriously and deeply but gave them up as being unimpressive." (Nuskha Akhbar Dyanandian p. 197.)
"Guru Nanak Ji never professed the authenticity of Vedas with any respect or reverence like the other followers of Vedas, nor did he believe that the Vedas are Divine books, nor he considered that the contents of Vedas could teach lofty virtues of truthfulness and honesty." (Guru Sat Dershan . p.91)
sayyid14 1 year ago
@sayyid14 - Interesting insights.
PeterJDeer 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer The Chola reverently called the Chola Sahib by the Sikhs is kept at Dera Nanak in the Punjab in a sacred building specially built for the sacred relic left by the founder of Sikhism. It is a long cloak with short sleeves and is made of brown cotton cloth. It is stated in the Sakhi of the Chola that upon Nanak's death, the sacred Chola passed to his first successor, Angrad,Nanak Chola(Jubba or Robe) have Quranic Verse and Sikh cant accpet the truth that Sikh was ISLAM SUFI Before!!
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Sikh only cult who cant accpet that sikh mixed islam and hindus,not Bahai,Mormon,Druze..i hate sikh cost they said we have nothing to do with islam,sikh never take any elemnet..hahaha.what about Shaheed.what about Rabb.Allah in your "man made book" they said Nanak was prophet but not! they said GURU GRANTH SAHIB IS WORD OF GOD BUT IT WAS WRITEN BY MAN SUFI+HINDU+10GURU by more 300year until 1708
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer He would also meditate a lot and strived to renounce
the material life of this dunya, the words of the
Prophet (saw) comes to mind, 'live in this life as if
you are but a traveler.' He used to pray a lot (as
in the sufi meditation), and we can clearly see
that Naam Simran is just like the prayer that the sufis do.
In Islam, Naam Simran is known as Dhikr.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer As you know the Sikh statement of faith is 'Ek Onkar',
this is what Guru Nanak was said to have uttered and
encouraged others to believe in. Lets study this, Ek
obviously means 'one', but what does Onkar mean?
Onkar is actually from the sanskript word 'Omkar' now
like a lot of sanskript words Omkar which means creator and
in Arabic Al-Khaaliq means creator which is
1 of the 99 names of Allah (swt) that are
found in the Holy Qur'an.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer The word 'Rabb' is also
very widespread in Sikhism and is found in the Granth
Sahib as well, ever thought where it came from? From
the Holy Qur'an which was written over 1400 years ago!.SO SOORY SIKH YOU ARE CULT.U MUST ACCEPT TRUTH THAT SIKH ARE MIXED NOT TRUE RELGION LIKE HINDUS.BUDDISTH.ARAHAMIC AND OTHERS
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer
I think I've said enough but there are still a couple
other points, sikh sources testify to the fact that
Nanak went to Baghdad (Iraq), at that time Baghdad was
the Islamic capital of the entire world and was for
many years. At that time when economy was soaring,
social structuring through the justice of Islam was
being implemented, advancement of technology was
moving at a rapid rate.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer So much could be said about
Baghdad but the question is if Nanak wasn't a Muslim
he had no reason to be in Baghdad. He spent 12
long years in Baghdad, which was then a major centre
for the Sufis.12 year is not shot why he dont traveler to China? why Islamic world? THIS IS WHY MANY SIKH SCHOLAR CONVERT TO ISLAM COST THEY KNEW THE TRUE TEACHING OF NANAK IS ISLAM AND HE WAS SUFI.THIS IS WHY REASON SIKH SONG OR MUSIC SIMILAR TO PUNJABI/PAKISTANI SUFI COS SIKH FROM SUFI IN THAT AREA!
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer Here he studied with many leading Sufis
of his day, and it is said that the Sufis of the city presented
him with a turban as a token of respect and honor. In
Baghdad , in the courtyard of the shrine of Hazrat
Bahlol Danaai, a famous Sufi, there is a shrine which
mentions that Baba Nanak Sahib stayed there. The
shoes, the Muslim-style prayer mat [ja-namaz] and
the blanket of Baba Nanak and the copy of the Holy
Qur’an which he used to regularly read, are also
preserved there.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@PeterJDeer In The Gurudwara of Ferozepur District
(North Punjab) was the jubba(Robe) of Nanak, for reasons of
maintenance it was wrapped many times and remained
like this for many years.over 200 years ago,on the jubba was
verses of the Holy Qur'an, and scrawled across the
front was the statement of faith declaring, 'There is
no deity worthy of worship but Allah, and that
Muhammad (saw) is the Messenger of Allah' yet
sikh scholars haven't explained this unsurprisingly,
for it speaks for itself.
sayyid14 1 year ago
@sayyid14 I have learn and Study SIkh since 2007 until now..i want SIkh be Muslim Back..i know that SIkh scholar knew that Muslm and sikh have common similarity..they are so many i wanna to wrote..if u have question just asked me..i love to exposed SIKH CULT..THIS IS WHY OUR PROPHET MUHMMMAD(PBUH) AGAIST INNOVATION(BIDAAH) COz innovation crated new relgion.when you debate or talking to sikh if they have no anwers they like to using bad,anyoing,insulting word...this is wat SIkh is.learn sikhism!
sayyid14 1 year ago
Ignorant,simply ignorant, first of all unlike islam, in very rare cases if any one for any reason wants to leave bahai faith he is welcome to do so.
ziya0 1 year ago
@ziya0
Firstly the term "in very rare case" is wrong. The Baha'is are leaving the Baha'i cult en masse. And those who are just leaving it without exposing it are left alone. Nothing is done to them but those who are exposing the cult they are severely boycotted. An example is of Wahid Azal (A prominent Azali now) and many ex-baha'is who left the cult and then exposed the corruption among them. They were declared as Covenant Breakers and severely shunned. All their family relations cut off
Naseremtesali 1 year ago
@ziya0
And they were severely tortured mentally their breath was considered as "poisonous".
See this :
bahaicultfaq.blogspot.com
Naseremtesali 1 year ago
To me Baha'is are fellow Iranians and should not be mistreated in any way just for being Baha'i.
But who are the Baha'is? the kid who sat next to me at fifth grade or those who committed massive thefts out of National coffers during the revolution and fled to US and Israel?I will defend the rights of the former, my fellow Iranians to any extent, and I recognize the right of the state to deal with the latter. Life is being made harder for Baha'is in this process. I wish that was not the case.
DerafsheKavian 1 year ago
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esmail8 1 year ago
@esmail8
The shameful defeat of Haifan UHJ in the Court Case against BUPC and Orthodox Baha'is is not a lie atleast.
Naseremtesali 1 year ago
@Naseremtesali another lie
ziya0 1 year ago
lie lie lie lie lie
PEDLIFE 1 year ago
There may have been occasions that Baha'is in Iran have been treated unkindly, just because of their beleives. But the tenuous situation the West is working hard to create amounts to a crude outside agitation and to my knowledge is not taken seriously by our Baha'i compatriots.
DerafsheKavian 1 year ago
@DerafsheKavian "Treated unkindly"??? Either you're disturbingly drawn to euphemisms or you're strikingly misinformed (and I hope that doesn't sound condescending): over 200 Baha'is have been killed since the establishment of the Islamic Republic, and at least 40 are in prison right now solely for their beliefs. That's not just being "treated unkindly". And what the "West" does has nothing to do with the plight of prisoners of conscience. We aren't "agents" of the West.
masudrules 1 year ago
Mr larijani is right Bahaii is a colt
artbiz45 1 year ago
Someone should tell Mr. Larijani that from the perspective of Sunni Muslims, Mr. Larijani, a Shia, follows a cult himself!
If someone tries to leave Islam he/she would be condemned to death by Mr. Larijani and his coreligionists. Yet anyone seems to be free to join the Bahai religions or leave it. I know a number of people who stopped being Bahais and no one imposed any sanction on them.
dadham 1 year ago
@dadham : The fundamental problem I have with Baha'is is that I see many on the internet supporting Zionists. Zionism is anti-Iran irrespective of whether you support the current government or not. Some of these acts are dangerously close to being acts of treason.
ZionistsLie 1 year ago