Brake failure totals Mazdaspeed 3 at race track

[Lillie1986]

Watching all these brakefail videos is making me reconsider to put racefluid in my car even though its shit expensive.

[shortdude71]

yep no hurry, he only went head on into the wall lol

[bsto07]

holy fuck!

[TheArfdog]

So not really brake failure here...

[adventuresofwings]

@TheArfdog u not see the car slam into the wall when they came around the bend and over the hill?

[mooyah36]

driver-*down gears* "overtake two positions bitch!" *thinks about it* "fine ill help"

[wd4000000]

Why??? Boiled the fluid?

[xxxStunna]

Jah Bless.

[GlobeRoad]

Thumbs up if you only hear sound on the left speaker.

[lncdlt]

@GlobeRoad well i guess,since u havent got any thumbs up in 2 weeks, ur speaker is f.ked

[MotownBoony]

I've seen my share of trackday offs. Some rounded off cars now and again. This has to be the most spectacular and stomach-churning I've seen. I've seen a 3-day old GT3 hit tire barriers at 60. I've seen a JDM version seven Subaru STi whip around and scrape retaining walls. I even saw an SRT-4 whack an inside concrete retaining barrier hard enough to push it a foot off its marks. But this...

Brake checklist updated. Thank you for posting. Glad you're okay - even four years on.

[oldschool960]

OMFG That looks like Pacific Raceways in Wash. iv been there so many times

[SCHIZOPHRENlC]

DAMN.

[2002j30a1]

sad part of track racing...shit happens..

[KoukiMS6]

I have even more empathy for you because your Mazdaspeed is Titanium Gray, just like my baby.

[GGDorris]

MS6 no, but one better. Actually, it was cosmic blue. I did buy a replacement 2008 silver MS3 but sold it after I swore off track days for the sake of my wife and daughter. I moved on to making biodiesel and driving VW TDIs, currently a chipped 2004 Touareg V10 TDI with ~ 350 HP and ~ 570 ft.-lbs. of torque. moves 5800 pounds of metal RIGHT NOW.

[KoukiMS6]

@GGDorris Nice bro, keep the sport and yourself alive man.

[KoukiMS6]

Oh, this is horrible! I am happy you are okay. F the regulations, I would surely get out to help, especially a fellow Mazda (former) owner. Sooo...what car do you have now? Please say MS6!

[tokay444]

It wasn't brake failure if the driver neglected to check all the pads, and disabling the abs is as simple as removing the fuse. All you're left with is an abs light in your cluster.

[cougar10ag]

@tokay444

yeah because ABS is gonna help you when you are going over 100MPH for a much slower turn. fuckin idiot.

[tokay444]

@cougar10ag Are you calling me an idiot for some reason?

[cougar10ag]

@tokay444

No, not at all.

[tokay444]

@cougar10ag Ok. I get it now. Just that you quoted me threw me off. You're rite though.

[fgl7777]

good spirit i love that

[skorpinox]

more like : what's a brake pedal 4.....

[SaucyBegger25]

do not race about in a street car. i was doing 60mph up and down the bypass because i was callabrating my speedo, at roundabout i went to break and nothing, i boiled my fluid in the back brakes as my pads were rubbing as too tight by garage guy. i had to cut across on coming traffic to save myself from hitting a lorry so could get down a side road lucky for me i didnt get hit but i was close to death that day.

[enaicee]

jesus christ.....

[spiker98]

Dude this suuuucks. Glad your ok and these guys came to help. I can't imagine seeing that happen in front of me and not getting out to help...

[beluga420]

thats what happens when you have a mazda lol

[nism0life]

In my Z that is a 135 mph crest down into the tight turn. Braking problems there are BIG trouble. Glad to see you came out of it ok - sorry about your car though!

[asb81689]

Wow, my stomach dropped just by watching that crash. Thank god your alive!

[Ferrariman601]

Wow. SO LUCKY. Nice to see racers helping each other out though :)

[allanaws]

you state "October 2007, Pacific Raceways, Kent, WA near Seattle. Brake failure at 135 mph - car leaves track and hits tire wall at 100-110 mph. Car - totaled, driver - sore but OK, learns important lesson about checking brake pad thickness before track day"

All i see is a driver pulling over ..

[dalejrgamer]

Look closer

[zephyro11]

thats a rx7

[jameskcheng]

@0:23 watch the mazda fly up in the sky!

[thepeopleschamp88]

Your not riding in the ms3, look closely for the wreck people

[FwDsRt]

thats not a mazdaspeed3 interior

[derbigpr500]

Thats because its not a mazda 3.... -.-

[Vanderkitten]

Did the driver switch to hi-temp fluid?

[roadamericaracer]

First thing they tell you in a HPDE, that first you ONLY pull over and stop if you see a red flag, and secondly you NEVER get out of your car (unless on fire). True the other driver may be hurt, but you getting out could cause another crash, and more injuries.

[GGDorris]

Absolutely true. Neverhteless, I thank my lucky stars that these drivers were smart enough to ignore the guidelines, as my car was still running and I was suspended helpless in LOTS of pain. They righted my car, shut it off and tended to me. Bless their reckless bones.

[sedicirich]

@GGDorris You know I've done many track days, and if I saw someone crash that bad and I could stop and help I would, there usually isnt enough marshals to get there quickly. So good on those guys.

[ffrgtm]

@GGDorris Hey buddy sorry about your crash. Can you tell me if you were wearing a helmet and if the airbags deployed? I'm always concerned about the danger of airbags with helmets and how few people disable them for track days.

[T018]

@roadamericaracer that is true ,although, when u see that happen in front of you your first thought is I need to help.

[sledge244]

@T018 Yeah i would have pulled over to help in that situation.

[mr2gti]

@roadamericaracer Totally agree - rules should be adhered to, but common sense and human reactions easily alter the playing field... I'd of stopped too.

[shaunmark1]

I hope he was alright

[blaaahhh33]

wow park that mazdashit3 in the trash mazda are for homo's

[Zildjianrocks]

jealous little boy =)

[Cordius]

Is it wierd that I had to watch it three times to see the wreck?

[Pendemic]

Nope

[claytonmk]

I have the Metropolitan Grey S3 like this one and it just breaks my heart to see one on it's side like that :(

[m3e92]

That would have hurt, but there's no way he was going anywhere near 135.

[MadManDrivinHere]

ever rode in a speed 3? 135 mph isnt that hard to reach, especially with a few horsepower mods... I know from owning one, 150 takes a while to get there due to air resistance and gearing, but 135 is easy as pie

[68ray]

Horrible accident, but for those newbies watching - never ever ever get out of your car while on the track unless you are on fire.

[IamTheShermanator]

Man that was huge. Kudos to the drivers for getting out and checking on him!

[krazyk86cu]

that was a bad wipeout man. glad the driver was ok.

[NervesRock]

holy shit dude i hope the driver is ok that car launched pretty high

[Corbs239]

he didnt check his brake pads. that is what the driver himself said on our forum

[krazyk86cu]

are you the Corbs that was banned on mazda3forums? LOL

[Corbs239]

ha ya its me bro

[NoobInaCan]

that's right..he had no pad left on the inside.

[Alexsered]

did anybody find out exactly what happened to cause brake failure? Did a brake line bust or did the pads really wear out that much?

[nolanbowling]

Had to be a line failure or a MC failure I'd say.

[Bigmike3023]

I agree. I don't see how a pad failure could go so drastically from braking fine on the last corner to absolutely no brakes, not even sparks, on the crash.

[hampnich]

It was determined that the inner pads were not checked, and were worn down to nothing.

[skenehc]

i live 5 minutes from the track...

My friend goes to track days there. Tons'a elevation, rough roads, fun track. It is hard on brakes.

The boss there is an LM American pilot.

[rocketpunch12210]

The brake pad comment in the description puzzled me.

If it is pad thickness, he should never pass tech for the DE. The fact that he is on the track implies someone pass his car.

[dsm2xtreme]

He probably boiled out the brake fluid. Happened to me once and was a suprise I will never forget!

[rocketpunch12210]

Now that I watch it again, I recall I've actually driven there before. It was a long time ago when the circuit was called Seattle international Raceway.

Brake fluid don't suddenly boil, there are precursors like long pedals that signals either the brakes are going to fade or the fluid is going. From the clip, it looks like something sudden like brake line failure.

I recall this circuit is very hard on brakes.

[intengineering]

Most DE track day "tech inspections" are a total joke. A lot of the time they give you a self inspection sheet which everybody just checks everything off.

Here's a "failure" from no brake pad material left:

watch?v=XYaJulCsJXI&feature=re­lated

If I was the engineer who did the brake systems I'd be a bit annoyed about it being called a failure... Brakes do NOT work without pads.

[old12school3]

Sorry if asked,but was the driver ok?

[Alexsered]

lol, that wagon would rape your 328. You got a 328 because you can't afford to get the m3, but you still want to look cool. You Fail.

[MrJamesParhas]

@Alexsered well said!

[guivti]

at track days we should not get out of the cars..

[soshizzal]

you mean man who has mazdaspeed 3 failure to use hes brain

[loopba]

amazing video...thanks for posting

[judgy2]

wow

[sokipniewy]

oco chodzi?

[liakoel]

there is no mazdaspeed in this video!!!

[GGDorris]

It is the one seen flying through the air and later lying on its side.

[andrew111688]

wut went wrong. i got a 08' speed3 and dont really want this to happen to me lol

[GGDorris]

Read the earlier posts for details, but you should be fine if you keep an eye on both inner and outer pad thickness if you spend much time in ABS.

[JonKinchIsLegit]

@andrew111688 Then you shouldn't of bought a fucking Mazda then.

[Jtrain43791]

look at 0:24 and you see the dirt then look at 0:35 and you see the cosmic blue MS3 on its side with the hood thrashed in

[TypeDoubleR]

this car doesn't belong on the race track thats why

its for grocery shopping

[tomatoface181]

your a total loser TypeDubleR

[strosse]

Wow that is crazy!!! If you look very close you can see the car impact and fly through the air. Glad the guy is ok.

[destruxxx]

Try this.. take your caliper off, and take one good pad out and put a totally worn out one in.... to simulate what happens when a brake pad debonds and fails. Then put the caliper back on and pump the brake pedal and see how many pumps it takes till you get the brakes back. It's alot more than you think. I counted 16 pumps. You don't have time to pump it that many times before you hit a wall at high speed. Your ABS didn't fail. You had a brake pad failure plain and simple. Rare problem at that.

[GGDorris]

The pad did not debond, it gradually wore out. Different situation that what you describe. Nice try though.

[destruxxx]

So there was still material left between the steel backing plate of the worn pad and the rotor after the crash?

[GGDorris]

No. the inner right pad had worn through and the inner left pad had nearly done so. Inner pad wear on both sides was twice that of outer pad wear due to heavy use of ABS during heavy braking. I only inspected outer pad thickness, assuming inner pad thickness would be similar - my bad. Still, total brake failure should not have happened given two independent brake circuits.

[destruxxx]

It's still possible that the last of the remaining pad material on the inner right came off as one chunk (debonded) and caused a gap that was too much to take up with pedal pumping. Usually pads let loose and debond once they reach 2 or 3/32", esp under high heat. I see it alot. Still, the rear brakes should have slowed you more than they did. Possibly the brakes aren't rear biased enough.

[zinglindo]

Thanks for posting this. I heard that a 1 day track insurance can cost around 100$...

[Love9sick]

Zoom zoom

[BretMx5]

Has any one here every seen a F1 race??? ABS, semi-auto gearboxes, launch control and traction control are used or were allowed to use at sometime because they can make you go faster.

[veltpak6]

WHO races with ABS?

[GGDorris]

Anyone with ABS on their car - it can not be disabled.

[2MachIt]

Thanks for posting this. I ran that course back in the summer in my Mach1 and was thinking about taking my MS3 up there, but now I can see I'll have to be extra thorough in my pre-track checks if the braking system is buggy like that.

I do not like traction control and ABS, both elements work against you on most tracks I've driven.

[z06king]

further, I remind you that both the Chief Instructor and the Track Master asked you right after this incident not to post this video. If you didn't speak with them to get their OK, then Please remove it.

Alfa Club HPDE instructor

[GGDorris]

I can see why you might not want someone to post a video based on what you believe is BS.

But, I too am an experienced HPDE driver. The brakes failed completely (as in the pedal went to the floor and nothing happened) at 135 mph when they should have worked. The purpose in posting this video is 1) warn others of a potential problem so they can avoid a repeat, 2) inform others that do repeat that they are not alone and 3) encourage Mazda to take a close look at the ABS programming.

[mazdaspeedcj]

Why are you such a douche z06king

[z06king]

two solid black marks=adequate brakes. I suspected then and now, "mirror pressure" from the RX7 racecar immediately behind the MS3, exiting the video right after the MS3 off.

If you must take a car with this power onto the track, PLEASE install race seat and 5-6 point harness. Having been in exactly the same position myself, I can tell you driver wouldn't have felt a thing anywhere but his wallet.

Safety equip first, THEN power, OK, fellas?

HPDE instructor.

[GGDorris]

Ouch! Two solid black marks=car skidding sideways. (Don't forget, I was there as it happened).

Ouch! I was unaware any video was being shot. I only met the guy in the RX7 when he helped pull me out.

Good point about safety equipment though.

[GGDorris]

What do you not understand about ABS brakes? They do not leave skid marks, by design. Skidding sideways off the track after the brakes fail leaves what - skid marks! You really know how to add insult to injury.

[dolph1992]

I have heard for years that there is a pedal pressure override on some makes and models of cars. That ABS will become inactive when a certain amount of pedal pressure is applied by ones foot. Not sure if this is true or not but either way glad you are ok. Check them pads pre track time boys and girls :).

[z06king]

I was 4 cars back and helped with the extrication of this very lucky driver. The track master and I examined the exit pathway off the track, Two solid black marks going straight off the track into the gravel and dirt, straight to the point of impact on the tirewall.

[GGDorris]

Ouch! Those black marks are from the car skidding sideways. It left the track sideways traveled straight across the gravel, and hit the tire wall side-on. Had they been brake skid marks, I would have hit head-on.

[borderline666]

Does your MS3 was insured? even on track?

BTW, Thanks for posting. Did you bought another speed3?

[GGDorris]

Not insured (expensive lesson) I did buy a new speed.

[exBMRguy]

HUH? The video only shows someone pulling over behind an Acura

[juhbby]

ahead of them both is the MS3, you can see dust being kicked up, thats why they stopped =] i hope hes ok

[Alexsered]

yeah, he's fine, if this is the same guy, I saw him selling all his parts on ebay or something like that, hope you made some money off that MZR

[suzq044]

.. aftermarket brakes maybe? who knows. It obviously has a roll-cage, you know that by the location of the camera.. Just a thought, not knowing, not biased one way or the other.

[zoomKansei]

!!!!!!!!!!!! so glad to see that you are alive to post this video.

I know your car was modded and was being used on the track, but as more Mazdas are raced on any given day than any other make, I think this hugely flawed ABS system is something Mazda SERIOUSLY needs to look into. I heard horrible things about the Protege ABS, I'm glad I don't have it.

[DigitalminiDV]

that means ms3 got nice airbags, the ugy was just sore, but alive. i got an ms3 and I'll be checking my brakes soon. Thanks for posting.

[takarx8]

GGDoris, I know you want to save your mate's life, and I praised you for that.

But may I suggest that you not putting the handbrake up ... you just been driving on the track and the pad is hot, you may burn and warp your disc there.

Good video anyhow. You are passing a very good message and thanks for that.

[Ryz1]

The inner pad wore quicker than the outter on the right front.

[GGDorris]

Because I was in the ABS so much, the inner pads wore twice as fast as the outer pads and I only eyeballed the outer pad. BUT, what happened then is that the ABS system sensed the difference in braking between the R and L, then went into "dump mode" because it sensed I was on ice or oil. "Dump mode" causes a dump of all brake pressure in order to regain traction on ice. It was the dump mode that made a stupid mistake into a potentially deadly one. Google "dump mode" before you flame me.

[Ryz1]

I've been reading your thread since it first happened. It's unfortunate but hopefully you'll save somebody else.

[VAspeed3]

Thank you for your complete explanation and not just blaming the car. Your integrity may well save a few guys an off track excursion and maybe a life. I'll be VERY sure to know the status of my M3's brake linings at the track and everywhere else from now on.

[veltpak6]

Can you not disable the ABS? You shouldnt be driving on track using ABS, that makes little to NO sense. I bet your traction control is on too lol

[GGDorris]

Dynamic stability control was disabled. ABS can not be disabled.

[mtjn]

The guy had no brake pad material left. That's why they failed.

[sdc1213]

There seems to be an issue with the MS3 where if you slam the brakes too hard they'll fail for whatever reason. Another person on the forums totaled his on the track because of brake failure. May have to due with heat or something, I don't know.

[RochesterGT]

Yikes... I have an MS3 as well.. brake pads failed? WTF?

[KYLEdoesit]

UNBELIEVABLE VIDEO! You can see the car get tossed in the air like a tin can!