Anton Batey vs. Michael X of the Nation of Islam 6/7

[rickw1100]

Stupid monkey!!

[childofYHWH1]

WE MEN OF WHATEVER COLOR U WANT TO CALL URSELVES. THE WOMEN RUN THE SHOW. THE PRESIDENTS R SUBMITTING TO & WORSHIPPING THE DARKER NATURE OF A MAN, A WOMAN OR A WOUNDED-MAN OR A DEVIL. JESUS (YAHSHUA) THREATENED THE DAUGHTERS OF JERUSALEM WHILE HE WAS ON THE CROSS. HE FORGAVE THE ROMANS WHILE HE WAS ON THE CROSS. THE GOVT (DEMOCRACY) WAS THE ROD THAT RULED BACK THEN & IS THE SAME GOVT (DEMOCRACY) THAT IS THE ROD THAT IS RULING NOW. PRAISE YAHWEH & YAHWEH BEN YAHWEH.

[childofYHWH1]

THE WHITE MAN (THE BLACK MAN WEAKER GENE) IS 2 STUPID 2 BE THE DEVIL. THE WHITE MAN IS N HELL WITH THE BLACK MAN. HE IS ON CHILD SUPPORT WITH THE BLACK MAN. WOMEN VOTED FOR THAT SLAVERY. THIS GOVT IS A GOVT THAT IS OF THE PEOPLE, BY PEOPLE, WHICH IS THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE. ANSWER: THE WOMEN! THEY OUTNUMBER MEN FORTY TO ONE. SHE RUNS THE WORLD. THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS TO LET WOMEN RUN THE WORLD. ASK HILLARY CLINTON WHY SHE'S TRYING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT & CUT OUT THE ELECTORAL VOTES.

[childofYHWH1]

THE DEVIL (BLACK WOMAN) IS REFERRED AS A HE BECAUSE SHE IS SITTING N HIS SEAT OF AUTHORITY AS IF SHE IS GOD. THE POPE AND OTHERS WORSHIP A BLACK STATUE BECAUSE SHE GIVES THEM POWER. SHE IS THE DARK NATURE OF MALE. BEHIND EVERY WICKED MAN IS A WICKED WOMAN. WOMAN MEANS A WOUNDED-MAN, WOUND OF A MAN. SATAN IS REVEALED, THEIR NAME IS LILITH, ONE-THIRD OF THE BLACK WOMEN OF AMERICA. WHITE WOMEN FILLS UP OPRAH WINFREY SEATS ON HER SHOWS. WHITE WOMEN GO 2 HER SEEKING ADVISE FROM HER, THE DRAGON.

[childofYHWH1]

ALL PRAISES BE UN2 YAHWEH & HIS SON/SUN YAHWEH BEN YAHWEH. DID NOT NOAH (BLACK MAN), FROM HIS 3 SONS POPULATE THE ENTIRE EARTH? SHEM (CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, ORIENTALS, ASIANS), HAM (AFRICANS), & JAPHETH (EUROPEANS). THERE IS NO SUCH IDENTITY AS A WHITE MAN. SKIN COLOR IS A DIVIDE & CONQUER GAME. THE VERY 1ST DEVIL WAS THE BLACK WOMAN (LILITH A.K.A. ADAM'S 1ST WIFE) IN THE GARDEN, CREATED ON 6-DAY, THAT WASNT NAMED. GOD IS THE MAN! DEVIL IS THE WOMAN! OPPOSITES ATTRACT! PRAISE YAHWEH.

[afterray]

elijah mohammad was a fake and the NOI (in their thinking) are like the KKK.

[prophecy505]

anton ima 5 percenter we see things in a far more scientific and mathematical sense, in the sense of showing and proving what we acknowledge, for more than this guy....a 5 percneter that has gone thru schools of thought, history, and seeing with his own eyes, we dont believe anything, we only acknowledge what we know...peace

[trayder29]

Excuse my ignorance. You are in fact a black man. You have been tricked by your slave master. May Allah guide you on the straight path.

[trayder29]

Is Anton Batey white? Sounds white. You're wasting your time god. Elijah Muhammad teaches that the devil cannot be reformed. Jesus could not reform him nor could Moses.

[kloneishott92393]

Here's a man that think he can prove that he is god....come talk to him on Sunday From 11 am to 2pm then again at 2 30 pm (the same day)...He has a radio program on sundays at 11am ..;Wed, Friday at 8 p.m (central time) ...The number to call is 712-432-0075 and the access code is 912932#.....I WOULD LIKE TO COME IN AND PRVOE YOUR POINT....

[kenwill123]

Because every nation has a chance to rule. The blackman was not told to let the whiteman rule, the whiteman had to come into rule using tricknology, that are still in effect today. Mainly divide and conquer along with lies. Adamic race of people were not the only people on the earth. The devil is confined evil within ones self. A Satan is an act of evil on others. That's is why we do not call the whiteman devils anymore they are Satan.

[GreenRhythm85]

Seriously, just wake up folks. Religion is very simple. Ready?

Religion was created, long ago, as a way to control people, period. There is no secret, there is no divine mystical power. All religions, especially today, are used to control people, and gain power. Think about it logically. You may be a muslim, or a christian, or whatever you are now. But, had you been born in the woods, and lived there all your life, you would have absolutely no concept of God or religion, period. Think, please.

[trayder29]

@GreenRhythm85 So.. Going by your logic if a person is born in a forest and doesn't know that.... civilization exist.. then that means civilization doesn't exist... You don't even know what logic is nor how to prove a point. Try to go your whole life denying Allah and see how miserable you'll be.

[AntonBatey]

@trayder29

Fard Muhammad was a white man too. And according to E-Mo, Prophet Muhammad was a reformed white devil-turned prophet. So was Fard’s mom. And let’s say I am white…..you should take it as an even greater insult that this white devil is easily able to destroy your fake cult started by a white convict.

lol

[GreenRhythm85]

@trayder29 Reality is nothing but a mindset. Everyone's reality is different. My reality is completely different than the reality of someone who lives in a forest.

Try going my whole life denying Allah, and see how miserable I'll be? That's exactly what I'm talking about lol. Listen, if you want to believe what YOU want to believe, that's perfectly ok, and there's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't make them true. It's just your belief. I'll be fine without Allah, trust me on that lol ;)

[AntonBatey]

You also misquoted the study. It said that the genes which made them light through natural selection occurred IN EUROPE 6-12,000 years ago. That means that Europeans were around prior to that. Please READ the article because it contradicts the notion of white people resulting from a “genetic experiment” and explains how migration into different climates results in gene mutations which causes different physical features.

[face237]

theyre just racist . period

[MustaphaChamran1979]

Okay, this dumbass is just making shit up as he goes along. Those Koranic verses you pulled on him about Adam REALLY tripped him up.

So the Quran referrs to "Adam" as the devil sometimes, and as "god" at times when he can't think of an answer. It's obvious he just made that up on the fly.

[TheSmokingGun111]

How can the "Nation of Islam" not beileve in the afterlife yet follow the quran that actually discribes the afterlife in detail?? it makes no sense at all!!

[mutantz]

@TheSmokingGun111 You assume the afterlife is talking about physical life after physical death but how can anyone be cartain.

[mutantz]

@TheOneMak If you believe the afterlife discussed in the Quran it is still up for interpretation. Some believe the afterlife is only after we come into a new state of mind. All scriptures are up for interpretation. It was you who decided to point out your perspective about afterlife and the NOI.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz hey, there is nothing to assume the Quran does speak about the afterlife the hereafter, Jannah (paradise)..this is not attainable in this life, this mortal life is just a past time oh yea....

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 Im not convinced that it is talking about physical life after physical death. You can interpret it as physical afterlife but I believe that would be a misinterpretation however this is not an issue we can dictate to eachother because we both lack proof, unless you know someone who has returned from physical death. But what does it matter Surah 22:67-69 suggest that our opinion isnt as important as our obedients to Allah.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz maybe I was not clear I do not believe there is a physical afterlife, the flesh is finite..I was saying that the Quran speaks of paradise a time after the flesh has withered away..Why the mention of Surat 22:67-69, this is dealing with slaughtering of sacrifices..69 states Allah will judgebetween you on the day of ressurection about wherein you used to differ..If Quran is the the message of Allah (SWT) is that not all the proof you need if you are an adherent to Islam??, yea

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 What Surah speaks of an afterlife after the physical flesh has died? SHow me!!!

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 I know what the Quran says but you cant prove what i means! you can repeat your opinion as many times as makes you happy but that wont change the unknown that the Quran admitts to in Surah 22:67-69. Alllah makes it clear that no one but he can clarify such things, so sometimes people are just wasiting their breath.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz so why do you read it? It is not my opinion is not the Quran Alone the TRUTH....lol@ who do you think you are that you need convincing??your just mere mortal. do not flatter yourself muffin.. Stop letting other people mislead you and blind you too the truth..Your arrogance is stagnating your mental and spiritual growth..Your futile attempts to come against the Quran...your gonna loose, the inevitable, yea, oh yea...lost...and you keep misquoting the Surahs, these deal with sacrifice..

[AntonBatey]

You have to remember that these books are up to interpretation and just conform to what their leaders say. If Elijah Muhammad says there is no life after a physical death, then that means that to them, heaven and hell are conditions you are in on earth. And when the Bible/Qur’an talks about life after “death”, the “death” is a spiritual death and not a physical one.

Give me ANY Qur’anic verse, and I can tell you how a Nation of Islam member will interpret it.

[mutantz]

@AntonBatey Modern man has been around millions of yrs yet you do not know of a single person who returned from physical death. I on the other hand know plenty who have been resurected from spirituall death. And why do you speak of the NOi as if we are an easily lead people when most all who join had to go against the grain for what they believe in? We bel;ieve what makes sense. I know that you know this so why do you act as if you dont? What is your motivation?

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

Why the hell are you telling me that? I'm an atheist who does not believe in an after-life.

[mutantz]

@AntonBatey I speak to you about these things because I can see that you have a way of ridiculing the NOI trying to make it look silly when you infact privately agree with the same thing you dispute. So ill ask you again, what is your motivation? Did you experience some mistreatment while in the mosque, if you did let me apologize on behalf of the NOI because I know that happens all the time?

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

What are you talking about? All I said was that the Nation of Islam interprets the Bible and Qur'an differently? I'm defending you. I even told him to give me any verse in the Bible/Qur'an where he thinks it "proves" that there is a life after a physical death and I'll tell him now the NOI looks at it.

Calm down, bub.....

[sensualwisdom570]

@AntonBatey thank you for your offer and I will take you up on it...and I am a her not a him k?

[mutantz]

@AntonBatey What am I talking about? Its the way you potray members of the NOI as blind followers. True, most people are followers that dont think for themselves and they are in the NOI as in all groups but lets be honest! NOI members reject the norm going aganist their own families to follow what they think is right. You went in the mosque because you saw the logic in atleast most of our teaching. Hebrews 11:1 says, "Now FAITH is evidence of things unseen" Elijahs evidence gave us faith!

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

I'm not just picking on the NOI. ALL religions have followers who have blind faith. 

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz why is Jannah mentioned in Quran paradise where there are flowing springs, then there is the hell where it is hot, I am not near my Quran at the moment but i will furnish you with the verses.If you read the Quran with your eyes instead of making someone teach you something totally different then maybe you would realize it's beauty and significance..lol, how can you apologize for a group of people, his motivation is TRUTH, EXPOSING UNTRUTHS, he knows more than you and you are NOI ..sighs

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 Whatever, since you cant prove physical life after death let me prove that paradise is had while living on earth. Surah 7:27 admits that Adam and Eve were 1st in paradise while living physical life. Dont waiste your time trying to find a verse that proves physical life after physical death because their isnt one. As far as me and Anton go, you arent qualified to say who is more knowledgable. you cant even distinguish Quranic opinion from fact!!! Laugh at yourself its funnier!!!

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz excuse me pop tart are you not the one deviating from what he is saying because you are unbeknownst to that what you practice, and there you are throwing Surah's around and you don't even know what you are saying, it is apparent your ignorance::Surah 89:27-30..Surah 39:24 and 39:43..especially for you..Surah 39:42.. What do you get out of the Day of reckoning (Qiyammah)? What is your lessons on that? I bet that is something totally different from Quran..I say why use it at all..sighs..

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 HAHAHAHA!!! Just like I know! all those verses dont prove a Damn thing to support your argument! They provide no proof of physical life after physical death. Surah 7:27 on the other hand admits paradise while living on earth. You loose, you lost from the begining! Offcourse you will respond but nothing that you say will be a legit argument. Your not even smart enough to realize it. Im done your not worthy of this subject.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz I will leave you at peace because I forgot you NOi'ers use a totally type different Quran but I understand..lol@ you loose are we in kindergarten..7:27 speaks of the beginnings where Adam and Eve were it is not the hereafter or afterlife or speaks of Qiyammah.. I would just like to clarify that..You probably didn't read the Surahs but I understand you are dumb deaf and blind as depicted in Quran and only Allah (SWT) can unveil such.. poor black men...sighs...

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 You could never disturb my peace I do this for fun. You loose even Anton admitted that. Poor black men LOL! look at the condition of your own race and sigh about that.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz I am looking at the condition of my race and sighing.. look how you LOL at poor black men, how is that amusing... this was funny at first but you are really saddening indeed.. yea, word..

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 Im laughing at how you called us poor black men yet you are the one who is poor in your ability to defend what you believe in. The sad part is I dont think you realize how pathetic your argument is.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz what is sad is that you say pathetic and defending my argument..I am not arguing with you I was just enlightening to you too the truth in Quran dealing with the afterlife, hereafter, Qiyammah, The day of reckoning..That is all..I do not have to defend my beliefs to you nor do I need reaffirmation from mere mortals like you or anyone..As long as I stay in good graces with Allah (SWT) is all..I realized you will remain benighted until Allah (SWT) wills differently..inshaalah.. sighs...

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 You really dont see the errors of your ways! you call your actions enlightening but it is nothing more than you trying to force others to accept your belief even though you havent proved a thing. All of the prophets used logic and proof when conversing over the straight path! your opinionated tone is not of the straight path.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz not at all mutantz, I cannot impose my beliefs on no one BUT I know what the Quran states an what it is to adhere to Islamic Monotheism, no more or less..It does not need to be interpreted there is no need for mediation if you are Submitting to the Will of God...this is all I am saying..This is not my opinion, my belief system,..so be it no qualms , it just perplexes me when people say prove..I do not need to prove the Quran does it for me..through the Will and Grace of Allah (SWT)..

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 So now you say but you cannot erase the disrepectful or judgemental tone that you first presented. You believe in physical life after physical death yet the Quran doesnt specifically state so but today you claim the Quran needs no interpretation, however, to believe that the Quran speaks of reserected dead people is most certainly your interpretation. You cannot deny this. I have no more patients in dealing with those who will not even acknowledge their own action.

[sensualwisdom570]

@mutantz hey yea, i see you are quite defensive and I believe you are saying patience, not patients...this happens when one is frustrated their train of thought is razzled.no Quran does not need interpretation it tells you Allah will bring you up, Allah (SWT) the one who give you life then death then brings you lifeI gave you some Surah's but like I said, I believe you adhere to some other type for your group and their train of thought. where you feel you have to prove what you believe, yea..

[mutantz]

@AntonBatey This isnt a totaly accurate depiction of those in the NOI. 99% of what Elijah taught is factually varifiable. He didnt just say there is no physical life after death he supported it with reason. We in the NOI accept this because it is logical and made more sense than any other explanation. So when you claim we just accept what we are told and exclude the fact that we accept his teaching (usually going against the grain to do so) because of the facts involved, that is tricknology!!

[AntonBatey]

LOL, 99% of what he said was “factually verifiable”?

Just about everything discussed in this interview is not verifiable. The “gorillas came from white people” isn’t factually verifiable. Neither is the myth of the different races being a result of a genetic experiment only 6,000 years ago.

Verify this myth with a single scientist: that the earth is more than 70 TRILLION years old. No, I’ll settle for even 20 trillion. You said it’s objectively verifiable…..so give me a source.

[mutantz]

@AntonBateyTrue I cant defend monkeys but white people do grow tails. Elijah didnt say the earth was 76 trillion years old he said our history goes back that far(Your mistake) Thats a big difference. He also said our history goes back even farther than that but this is what we have record of. As far as race goes,Tthe American Society of Anthropology among others believe according to DNA study that the emergence of whit skinned people or caucasians is only 12000-6000yrs ago(This is varifiable).

[AntonBatey]

Okay, you concede the monkey part.

Those are not “tails”, and white people are not the only only race that grows them. Just a few weeks ago there was an infant in India born with what you claim is a “tail”.

I know what Elijah claimed about the age of the earth. You ignored my request. Find a SINGLE source that confirms that the earth is that old. Also, find a single source that claims human beings are just ONE trillion. Nevermind 76 trillion, I’ll settle for one.

[mutantz]

@AntonBatey Concede? No im just saying I dont have the knowledge to prove it however neither do the modern scientist who claim that we came from monkeys. As far as scientific sources of this earth, how can we rely on them when they use Radiometric dating that itself has a birth record? Elijah taught us that the universe is forever changiin g into something new.

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

YOU said that "everything" was verifiable. Now you claim you are too stupid to know what you're talking about.

You're dismissed.

[AntonBatey]

Also, it’s not only white people, you claim that ALL the non-black races are roughly 6,000 years old. Where is that verified?

[mutantz]

@AntonBatey reason with me! on planet earth when have we seen the emergence of a group of recessive anythings come forth natuirally? Yes we see recessive mise rats etc made by the hundreds but never in a natural environment it is always do to the manipulation of man. Quiet as kept indigenous black people exist all over the world in various climates & conditions, so the theory of various racial color being no more than an environmental adaption is logically flawed.

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

I don't think you understand the concept of natural selection, and I can't explain it on YouTube. Racial characteristics become multiple within a cluster because those with the best characteristics would survive in that area. We're talking about ice age Europe, not today's mild-climate Europe, first of all. Straight hair which warms the head, lighter skin, an acquiline nose, more meat on the torso, etc. are all advantageous in a colder climate.

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

Also, you didn't provide sources for what I asked.

[AntonBatey]

@mutantz

Also, dumbshit, scientists don't say that humans "came from monkeys", They say that humand and monkeys share a common ancestor. BIG difference. Anytime someone claims that evolutionists claim that "humans came from monkies", that is the first sign to tell me that the conversation is over because they don't know what the heck they're talking about.

[4Me2Yall]

@mutantz excellent point Mutantz!!

[AntonBatey]

@4Me2Yall

You don't seem to understand genetics or science either. I refuted his "excellent point".

[4Me2Yall]

@AntonBatey What white civilization do you have on the historical record before 6,000 years ago? This is why white scientist came up with neanderthal bones and what not trying to place a european type on the planet before 6,000 years ago. In reality the oldest bones in europe are of the black nation and also what culture that was there can be traced back to what we now call africa.

[4Me2Yall]

so on the one hand you cant say the white man got his start in africa where all man gets his beginning after the blasting, and on the other you cant prove any civilization on the white mans part in ancient europe because the culture that existed there can trace its beginnings back to the mother country which is africa.

[AntonBatey]

@4Me2Yall

There were civilizations around the Fertile Crescent that goes back further than 6,000 years. There are also dozens of Native American, Indian and Asian civilizations that predate a measly 6,000 years.

[4Me2Yall]

yes, and the culture they brought can be traced back to the same culture that we call africa today! as far as genetics, you have to start with black to get to the white and that in itself would take a process to bring it out. The black gene is dominate, so even if we did produce a white child it would have to be kept isolated from the rest or else it would have been absorbed by the surrounding black nation. So you would have to practice a form of birth control.

[4Me2Yall]

My question to you was to show us a white civilization before 6,000 years ago since it is so measley? you cant produce one until the coming of the greeks who credits kemet with teaching them civilization! Asian, indian and the first of the so called native americans were black cultures so what are you talking about?

[AntonBatey]

The Native American, Asian and Indian races are not “Black”, according to Elijah Muhammad – as they were results of the grafting process which started 6,000 years ago. If you’re suggesting that these “races” and civilizations are roughly 6,000 years old, then I’m sorry, but I can have a serious conversation with you.

In your next comment, I’m going to expect you to come up with some silly rationalization, and just make up something off the top of your head, like Michael X was clearly doing.

[AntonBatey]

I never disputed that. I don’t know any serious anthropologist who denies that the first humans evolved from Africa, and all the other races mutated from them. The dispute is the significance of this and the means.

[4Me2Yall]

@AntonBatey Still cant answer the question can you? First of all we are the Asiatic black man as taught by Messenger Muhammad. We are taught that the Indian is an original people who were kicked out of India 16,000 yrs ago for idol worship. The earliest Native Americans were black by all historical depictions. The asian, indian, and native american we see today are a new people and an amalgamation of european whites and original black men and women. Show me a white nation before 6,000 b.c.?

[AntonBatey]

@4Me2Yall

There are civilizations in current Austria, Germany and Slovakia, much of which predates the pyramids of Egypt. That’s beside the point, however. Elijah claimed that all the non-Black people are only 6,000 years old, roughly. The racial makeup of the original Native American were not your common African, they were Asian, as that’s where they came from when the land bridge was there.

[4Me2Yall]

@AntonBatey those are scientist who perform intelectual acrobatics trying to place a white man in history before 6,000 years ago when all evidence points to an african origin all over the planet. Cheikh Diop crushed that skull theory, i suggest you read up on it. Pyramids exist all through asia and even the americas so we know that culture came from africa and it points to an african origin to those early indeginous cultures so give it up brother!

[4Me2Yall]

Oh yeah, show and prove on these early white cultures you talking about. All you gonna come with are un-proven anthropological THEORY'S!! Some skulls you claim to be european, and maybe some tools you claim they invented! While at the same time being faced with the fact that from asia, to the americas, to europe itself the culture is of african origin.

[AntonBatey]

You repeating something doesn’t make it true. For you to suggest that the Cucuteni civilization – which predates 6,000 years ago -was really Black is something I couldn’t take serious.

I’ll ask again, please give me the names of anthropologists who believe that all non-Black races are less than 7,000 years old.

[AntonBatey]

I have Diop’s book, The African Origin of Civilization, and he does not disagree that anthropologists can tell someone’s race by their skull. Esscneitlaly what you’re saying is that Black people disappeared from Asia and the Americas, they left, met back in the Old World about 7,000 years ago and were then repopulated by people of different races.

Yeah……right. That’s certainly more logical than the truth that different people created different civilizations.

[AntonBatey]

@4Me2Yall

Anthropologists can determine the “race” of a person by examine their skull, for instance. No anthropologist believes that ALL of the non-Black races are only 6,000 years old. If you can find one, let me know.

[mutantz]

@sensualwisdom570 LOL! Go by your own religion and I will go with mine and time will tell us who will be successful. Regardless if you admit it or not Surah 22:69 is clear proof that some things Allah alone will have to clarify. Further more Prophet Muhammad said 2-3 generations after him muslims would stray from the path and that he wasnt responsible. All things considered if Allah says he will have to clarify things and Prophet Muhammad says muslims will stray, why do you speak as if you know?

[TimothyBragan]

Religious are a waste of time.

[DoktorSick]

cool video ! I glad to see someone exposing the myths of the nation of islam.