genetic evidence joins the list of MISSING evidences for the Book of Mormon. Geographical, archeological, linguistic, animals, metals and architecture.
Read the book of Mormon ( without the ridiculous volumes of study guides or mormon apology ) and asks yourself. Why is it that the book of Mormon does not fit anything Mayan or native American.
Excellent Video. How Mormons can accept the pseudo-science of Israelis traveling to the Western Hemisphere (8,500 miles) and creating the Native Americans race with NO DNA, archeological or historical evidence to support this wild claim is absolutely amazing. And then there is the claim of the Mark of Cain where God made Cain black and evil because of his murder of Abel-thus not allowing Blacks to become high priests of the Church until 1978 when a "revelation" allowed them to accepted-Racism?
To all the dislikes, please tell me where Zarahemla is and and where all of the Lamanites and their ancestors are? Don't give me your opinion, I want to know either proven facts, or what official doctrine from the prophet is. Surely, if he is a true prophet God would tell him that. I am not interested in what apologists say. I only want replies on official doctrine, otherwise, if what you say is proven false next year Mormons will just say that is not official doctrine.
this video is alright until at the end, they used the bible, to try to convert mormon to a other delusion, christianity, will people ever learn, how many time do you need to be brainwashed to see the truth, religion itself is the problem, more then that the real problem is indoctrination,
faith, beleiving in something that cannot be supported by evidence, and beleiving you know how the world work, when you dont,
science, morality, rational thinking, is the way to go,
This video is interesting because its primary method of disputing theological literature is through the findings of scientific research. I would encourage the authors of this video to challenge other factually false theological texts, such as the Torah, The Old Testament, The New Testament and the Koran, through similar scientific methodology.
Mitt Romney truly believes that he will become a real “god” and be given his own planet tocall his wife into to populate with spirit children. Would you vote for a man who truly believes he will become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land? Folks, this is the honest to God (no pun intended) truth.
Read book:CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus the Office Of The Presidency of the US
While I am not Mormon, it seems a bit fallacious that Born Again Christians use DNA as evidence against the Book of Mormon, while most Born Again Christians do not accept Evolution. DNA is solid evidence for Evolution. So why accept what DNA allegedly says about Mormonism, but DNA has been confirmed as evidence for Evolution?
Whew, look at that red bar, 3000+ Mormons and that's just the ones who pressed the button. You can always tell the truthfulness in a Mormon documentary when the Mormons deny its truth. Mormons deny real evidence, like DNA and the Absurdly easy to disprove Book of Abraham and embrace with "faith" the complete lack of evidence for the Book of Mormon .
As an LDS Member of 40 years, this has been a wonderful wake up call about the Book of Mormon. If the Book of Mormon is false! Everything that they believe is too outside of the Old and New Testament. Period.
DNA CAN ONLY TRACE BACK A THOUSAND YEARS. THE BOOK OF MORMON PEOPLE GO BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. There's no doubt that there was Asian and other migrations but to get a DNA reading of the said Israelites they have to go back thousands of years which they cant do .
Most mormons have a testimony and are not phased by rubbish of this kind. This video is just another attempt to discredit the BOM put out by another so called Christian group And there is plenty of archaeology evidence to the BOM.
Mormonism is the Eternal Presence of An Absence> It leaves us Wanting. Wanting truth, evidence, meaning. If Joe couldn't translate Real Egyptian, as in the Absurd Book of Abraham, how can we trust the Impossible "reformed Egyptian" Joe Proffers as the alphabet in the BofM. Mormonism is built not on evidence but on Beguiling and claiming authority over peoples lives.
Here's an interesting telling of the Native American history:
About eighty-five thousand years ago the comparatively pure remnants of the red race went en masse across to North America, and shortly thereafter the Bering land isthmus sank, thus isolating them. No red man ever returned to Asia. But throughout Siberia, China, central Asia, India, and Europe they left behind much of their stock blended with the other colored races.
To tell you the truth This discussion about DNA and native Americans just show how ignorant these experts are in geography, linguistics, history, archaeology and related subjects I believe 100 % in the book of Mormon. Born and raise in Mexico i can tell you that you feel the same spirit of this book in the air in the ancient monuments all around Mexico, Central America and Peru. Please read the Popol Vuh
So I am supposed to believe that no one of Eurasian/Mongolian ancestry crossed the Bering Strait but instead some Middle Eastern Semitic Caucasian Israelites came by boat from ancient Israel to the Americas.
And I am to believe that Gd made the good Israelites "white" and the bad ones dark skinned as punishment... and now all the native americans are dark skinned because they descend from a rebellious bad guy of caucasian semitic origin.
@themillieblog You're also supposed to believe that god is a nomnipotent being that is just, and that anything negative that occurs is not of his creation- even tho he created everything. Don't forget to believe that Jesus died for your sins, before you even existed, but if you commit any more sins you will burn in hell. You were a sinner long before you were born. God knew you would be a sinner, so he created you so you could go ahead and sin and burn in his creation-hell.
@themillieblog i can see why youre confused after watching such propaganda. your understanding of eurasian ancestry coming across the bering strait is fine. its most likely that Lehi & fellow Israelits came to the americas(600b.c) where there was already a dense array of people living here. The book of mormon also teaches that the Jaredites came across to America (2000+bc) & were amongst other people. Lehi, Jaredites, &more recently the Puritans all fled to 'The promised Land' as led by God
@glycoboy come on, man I'm not going to believe any of that. As a Jew I know the history of my people and we did not cross into pre-hispanic America. And no blind burning of the bosom will have me believe in such things. Consequently, my Jewish history is written by my Jewish ancestors and Jewish scholars, not by some American Gentile prophet or anyone else. I find it insulting to have to hear non-Jews tell me where my people went, what they did & how they turned dark skinned etc.
And I assume you know all about the Book of Mormon and the times that all of the groups came, not just Lehi. that is assuming you know when Lehi came.....
I wonder if the makers of this video would examine and give proof for Noah's Ark. Thinks about it, there are similar stories such as Gilgamesh that supposedly antedates the bible. Now... which came first, the bible or Gilgamesh? How did the flood cover the entire world? How did Noah fit all those animals in the Ark? Beyond all that, how did Jesus turn water into wine? If they believe science, how was the world made in 6 days? Just wondering...scientifcally explain all that! Miracles maybe! Ummm!
Studies now being done show that in the Great Lakes area of N America there is ancient Israelite DNA, haplotype X. This is also found in abt. 2% of the ancient pop. of Eur., N Afr., and Near East. Most common amt is 7-8%, but in Israeli Druze it is 26%. In the anc. Native Amer. it accounts for abt. 3%. It is mostly found in the Ojibwa - 25%, Sioux - 15%, a few others from 7-13%. These are of NE America. The western natives do come from an Asian DNA.
@lesalezza BS!! The "hapologroup X" crap LDS is trying to pawn off conveniently neglects to mention that those links date back long before "The Book of Mormon" times.
What group of independent, Non-LDS affiliated research groups have authenticated these findings??
Their DNA testing is wrong. For the worlds information... The history which the Hopi Indians teach of their ancestors as well as the "Great White Spirit" who visited their ancestors nearly 2000 years ago, correlates with that written in The Book of Mormon. That is not a coincidence. Pray and ask God about The Book of Mormon. I hope the best for all of you.
There is chiasmis in the Book of Mormon. Just like the Bible. Lehi is an important name in the Book of Mormon. It also was the name of an Israeli gang that fought for independence in 1948. I t also had the name of the Stern gang. The Book opf Mormon is true.
@kingsmen711 Same reason I know that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny don't exist. If the bible was truly the word of "God" then there would not be no false statements. The Earth is not the center of the universe, but the church had to change their beliefs before the sheeple would believe it. Mankind fears what they don't understand, so they make things up to fill that void within themselves.
@kingsmen711Oh, that is easy, IMO Religions are man made, therefore they are only mans attempt to define and get close to God. Many religions hold some truth but no religion has all truth. Much of it they guess about as they have never actually known God. Instead religions will make things up. Because of this imperfectness you could easily come to the conclusion that religions are false and God never established a particular religion. If you know the perfect religion tell us all and explain why.
Not being a Mormon, and to play the devil's advocate, you cannot make assumptions about a genetic connection between native americans and ancient israelites, when you have not knowledge of ancient israelite DNA. Current Israelites, are a small sample of one tribe (if at all) the tribe of Judah, which is not part of the tribes of Israel. Israel does not descend from Judah, they both descend from Abraham. Additionally, most Jews are not ethnic Judah descendents but Ashkenazi.
You are right. I do know that God exists. Did you read the quotes from Einstein and Hawkings? These great minds aknowledge the that God does exist. Just not in the way that you demand that he manifests Himself.Science and religion do work hand in hand. Science that denies outright the possibilty of a creator is not being intellectually honest.You have made up your mind on the matte"r, but do not let your pride get in the way of possibilities.
But he does have a place in science. He is in constant referral by the scientific community on a constant basis. He is part of the formula of creation. It has just not been fully explained, as has the creation through scientific measures. He is part of the ongoing equation. As in science, a lack of proof today eliminates nothing that could be a viable answer.
Stephan Hawking: "So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. "A Brief History of Time." Einstein wrote: " My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitly superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to percieve with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of thepresence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God. " The Quotable Einstein."
All I am producing (through Israel Finkelstein) is evidence that many Bible stories are false. As for the existence of an imaginary sky-daddy, can you prove that a carton of milk isn't orbiting the Earth controlling human affairs? What you've never seen that carton of milk? You've never felt its presence? Can you prove it isn't there, controlling what we do? You must be some ignorant anti-carton of milk type...
After reviewing comments from many Mormons to this video I see even more the truth of my Lord who said "seeing they will not see and hearing they will not hear". The sad part is that this video should not be necessary to convert a Mormon to Christianity. The bible teaches that Mormonism is not Christianity even if what they say is true that JS heard it from an angle. (Read Gal Ch 1) You cannot prove Mormonism from the Bible. Now their only claimed tie to the bible (the lost tribe) disproved!
Veritas, I challenge you to back your statement that the bible has been proved wrong with one piece of information. On the contrary I will prove you wrong with many historical proofs that the bible is a reliable history and has been shown to be that time after time. Of course I don't expect you to accept as. Ungodly people only want to content not defend.
@PolyRock1 Proving that the Bible is false... Wow, where to begin? Of course, there are stories like Adam & Eve or Noah, etc, that are just so obviously false, it's not even worth going into. But then there is the whole story of the origins of the Isrealites that many people seem to think is actual history.
@PolyRock1 However, an honest look at the archaeology shows us a very different picture. A brief summary: There is no evidence that ancient Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt. There is no evidence of a mass exodus of people from Egypt, through the Sinai. There is no evidence to support the idea that these Israelites conquered the land of Canaan which was part of the Egyptian Empire at the time.
The Egyptians were pretty good record keepers and we are getting a pretty clear picture of what was going on at that time and none of it fits the Bible stories. And that's just the beginning...
@veritasEtjusticia Give me a break. We have the temples ,places,names,coins,synagogues,The Pontius Pilate Inscription,Caiaphas Family tomb,Rolling stone tomb,Jesus Blurial Place etc, etc, and 35 other finds to support Biblical stories, places and things. Finds that help explain Bible backgrounds and cultures. 50 finds that help us understand the Bible better. Archaeological finds that help confirm the Bibles accuracy. So when you spew this nonsense of no evidence you are LYING!!!!!
@ThePeaches01234 Yeah... Frist of all, I didn't say that the ancient Israelites never existed or that the Bible is completely made up like the Book of Mormon. There is good evidence that the bulk of the Bible was written in the 7th & 6th century BCE. Events of earlier times described in the Bible, like Exodus, are full of anachonisms and they are not suppoted by archeology at all. They are most likely just legends or deliberately made up stories like the Book of Mormon.
@ThePeaches01234 Look, I gave the link for the documentary about "The Bible Unearthed". It's all on YT. I base a lot of what I'm saying on the work of Israel Finkelstein, one of the author of the book, so watch it and you'll understand what I'm talking about. I don't know what 35 or 50 finds you're talking about or what you think they prove but you have an easy way of seeing what I'm talking about. Try understanding what a person is saying before denouncing they as a LIAR!!!!
@PolyRock1 I know that there are loads of Christians and Jews who are desperately looking for anything they can interpret as supporting what they want to believe, just like the LDS people do. But that is not how science is done and that is why their "findings" will always be a joke. To get started you could read "The Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein or watch this: watch?v=GK40s49JK9g
She briefly talks about what is agreed upon by the majority of archeologists studying this topic.
@veritasEtjusticia You are apparantly an intellectual midget. Rock solid proof of places,names, stuctures,transcripts abound and more is being found on a daily basis. You are well behind the learning curve and should not be in such a rush to show everyone your ignorance on the subject.
@kingsmen711 So when someone tells you that your favourite fairy tales aren't real history, they are intellectual midgets because these stories have the names of real places. They also mention real people and structures... Wow, what a powerful argument... How to counter that one??? By that definition "Gone With The Wind" is actual history because it names Atlanta and General Lee... You are a waste of time, buddy. Not to mention a waste of space...
@kingsmen711 No, I think that is a problem you are having... I know fiction when I see it and I see it in the Bible... You want to believe despite the evidence and that is what make you coo coo for cocoa puffs. You clearly have a fact from fiction problem, not me.
@kingsmen711 It's no weaker than your arguments... You'd see this if you weren't so intellectually dishonest.... Prove that something that isn't there, isn't there!!.... OK, well... find me proof that it is there and we can talk, otherwise, we're wasting our time. Now you're going to attribute to god everything we can`t completely explain and think this is somehow evidence... It isn`t. Try defining what your god is and we can talk...
@veritasEtjusticia Einstein maintained that God manifests himself "in the laws of the universe as a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. Einstein agreed with Spinoza that he who knows nature knows God, but not because nature is God, but because the pusuit of science in studying nature leads to RELIGION."
@kingsmen711 Again Einstein speaks: "I have never found a better expression than "religion" for this trust in the rational nature of reality and of its peculiar accessibility to the human mind. Where this trust is lacking science degenerates into an uninspired procedure. Let the devil care if the priestsmake capital out of this. Ther is no remedy for that
"Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment"...
@kingsmen711 " - an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections."
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth."
@kingsmen711 Whatever Einstein believed about religion, I don't think it really supports your cause... In any case, none of this has any bearing on my original claim that many Bibles stories can be proven false through archaeology.
@veritasEtjusticia You asked me to define what my God is. I know what he is in my personal beliefes which I will no longer subject to ridicule. The case for scientific support of God, Supreme Mind, Supreme itellec tover that of man is suppoted by counless cosmologist throughout the world because ther is no other viable scientific proof for the creation. Do not confuse scientific theory or opinion as fact. And many bible stories can be proven true, as supported by your man Finkelstein.
@kingsmen711 I reject the god of the bible because I think it is blatantly false. I also reject all other versions of god or gods produced by humans as well. My first assumption in trying to understand anything is "maybe everything we think we know is wrong". I don't claim to know all of the mysteries of the universe, existance and life. Maybe we'll never know these things but the only thing that will help us understand our universe is logical, rational, critical thinking...
@kingsmen711 Dogmatic beliefs are a dead, circular worldviews that cannot change with new evidence. We must always be willing to abandon old beliefs in the face of new evidence but this is impossible with religious dogma. We must admit that we probably know very little about our universe and we must keep search for more answers. But your worldview is complete. It has a beginning and an end. All questions are answered... false answers, but who cares. This thinking leads to the Dark Ages...
@veritasEtjusticia You state that we know very little about the universe and the scientific community sometimes rushes to a flawed theory. How can you say that we must keep searching but insist on slamming the door shut on God. I have noidea When the universe was created, nor do I know when it will end. I'm not the one who seems to be adverse to science and theology.
@kingsmen711 The problem with god as an answer to anything is that god is not a knowable mesurable entity. To explain something that we don't understand with something else that we don't understand is no explanation at all. To primiative man lightning was a mystery. So it was attributed to a god. You don't believe that lightning is caused by god when he's angry, do you? Until we know exactly what god is and what he can and can't do, he will have no place in science.
@veritasEtjusticia Do a minimal amount of research on the "Laws of Nature" It explains things such as why lighting occurs, and in general, the order of the laws of nature and how they came about.
@kingsmen711 Admit it, you "know" that god created the universe. You don't need evidence for that, you simply "know" it and you will reject any evidence to the contrary. This is why science and religion will always be diametrically opposed. In science, knowledge comes from evidence. In religion, knowledge is based on faith. Evidence is not really needed. To truly understand our world people need to abandon religious dogma. Any look into their origins shows how arbitrary and ridiculous they are.
@veritasEtjusticia "Everyone who is seriuosly engaged in the pusuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of natue manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men,and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."..... A. Einstein
@kingsmen711 You can selectively misquote people as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that your dogmatic view of the world is definitely not what they are talking about. You are harking back to a pre-Enlightenment worldview where science was meant to understand god's mind. We are well beyond that now. Try joining us in the 21th century...
@veritasEtjusticia I have misquoted no one. And using you reasoning, Hawking' theories are pre- Elightenment. Do the research yourself, and please, let me know which qoutes were out of context. If you don't want to be bothered with research, I would be glad to share my sources and dates with you. To say that Einstein was trying to prove that God existed is, well, laughable. Same goes for Hawkings.
@veritasEtjusticia And on your statement of pre Enlightenment, is it not a little odd that countless atheists constantly refer to Darwin as the go-to guy?
@veritasEtjusticia If we discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable by everyone, not just by a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosiphers,scientists and just ordinary people,be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason---for then we should know the mind of God......Stephen Hawkings.
@veritasEtjusticia Reasearch the "Laws of Nature" This is certainly the question that scientists from Newton to Einstein to Heisenberg have asked--- and answered. Their answer is the Mind of God.
@veritasEtjusticia I have tried, within reason, to show scientific reasoning for the existence of God. At no time have I envoked theology. I am sorry that I, nor anyone else, can provide a snapshot of God that you seem to so desperately need.
@kingsmen711 Again... What is this magical super-being? Where does it come from? What are it's properties? What was there before it? How did it come into being? What powers does it have and how do they work? Is it a personal entity with its own personality (as believed by Jews, Christians & Muslims) or is it an impersonal force as Buddhists believe. Why are you right and they are wrong? Question require proof to be answered... Do you have any? Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?
@veritasEtjusticia I've never said anyone was wrong. I simply presented my case, based on research from the most pre-eminent minds of our time. These are their conclusions, not mine. They are compelling and thouroughly researched. You are arguing against science.
@kingsmen711 This is utter nonsense... like everything else you've written. No scientist gives any credence to this type of mambo-jumbo. Why not which-doctors and fortune-tellers. To forgo evidence and just give in to what you want to believe IS going back to the Dark Ages... You can spew all of your nonsense as much as you like but stop your ridiculous pretence about being scientific...
@veritasEtjusticia You are in dire need of reading books that don't re-inforce your views. If Hawkings, Einstein, Flew, Spinoza, Newton, are not valid sources on the subject, your mind is closed to the wonderful possibilities that lay before us.I have quoted the best minds the world has witnessed. If thats mumbo Jumbo, I would suggest the opposite.
@veritasEtjusticia The answers to your questions will more than likely remain unanswered in our lifetimes. But, it does not remove the possibility or probability, according to science, of the existence of God, Supreme Mind, Supreme designer, what ever moniker you wish to use. You simply cannot, intellectually, dismiss God.
This was really good stuff... until the last part. You know archeology has shown that a lot of what is in the Bible is pure fiction. Don't just put the Book of Mormon under scientific scrutiny. Try applying it to all of the Bible and all religious texts. You'll see that most of this stuff just falls apart, not just the BOM. Religious dogma and charlatans just seem to go hand in hand. This is true of Joe Smith and goes way, way back in time.
my y-dna is R1 and correlates with the Native Americans of the Great Lakes or the Algonquins. I was born in Polynesia and I am Polynesian, what does this mean? Maybe we are related some way or the other. DNA is still in its early stages, who knows, maybe R1 which branches out to R1a and R1b in Europe could be Hebraic. Who knows only time will tell as we do more tests.
So let me get this straight the New Testament of the Bible is Jesus' word to us that he is the Eternal Son of the Father Divinely God and Divienly human in hypostasis and that Jesus has always existed with the Father in the fellowship of the Holy Spirit and then 1800 years later Jesus tells Joe Smith, "That isn't quite right, I'm not what I said I was in the Bible." ???? Not possible.
@prokopto I know, you'd think it was all pretty much covered by the first four Gospel Writers. To me, lets just say some hebrews did make it to south america, i can accept that, but the doctrines they've come up with all seem to be a mixture of pagan ideas, and the bible together, plus whatever else they've added in. I tried with the Mormons, for a month, and it was pretty amazing. no one knows scripture very well at all and they won't look to take an understanding of the consequences of not loo
Silly little evangelical....When those words were written - they were written by an "apostle" at that time (The letter to the Hebrews). And how many more letters of "revelation" CONTINUED after? Do you really believe Jesus wrote the works of the Bible? What this means is that in his day (the writer of Hebrews - we believe is Paul) was saying that in his day Jesus spoke to the saints through his servants via revelation..Paul didn't even SEE Jesus. AS in these days he does so too.
@LDS4Life71 OR THESE WORDS ARE FROM THE HOLY GHOST? to chinaculiacan. Fuck your paid ministry , you fucking liar! You got nothing but lies. U will earn a one way ticket to hell
So, there was 1 Nephite left, who then died, and yet the Mormons go on about the 3 Nephites who never tasted death! so if they all but 1 died, then the 3 couldn't wander the earth now, and if they were still around, then the church could never have fallen away from the earth! Mormonism, 19th century English for liars!!
@tattoodfreeek The 3 Nephtes , Left to live forever, never to taste death and to remain on earth the "administer the gospel of Jesus Christ" . No evidence that they existed or exist > lots of urban tales of nephite sightings and assistance in car accidents. mormon story telling gets weird with the three Nephites. Honestly believe the book of mormon stories are real. Nephites and Lamanites riding Tapirs with wooden wheeled chariots and swords. what a load of horse poo.
@kramd1 I had to read that a few times to figure out if you were pro or anti mormon then!! There is a huge amount that just doesn't add up with the whole cult!!
Mormons are profoundly evil and violent people who have taken over US culture along with Zionists. They are the coming of the Beast.
They've taken over National Public Radio who is denying American citizens who fund them their right to free speech. They can't discuss that Mormon women abandon their male offspring to fend for themselves on the streets.
Such a Christian people. Violent racists just like Zioinists.
@kramd1 Then why in the world LDS keep saying the bom is real, and that joseph was a true prophet of God? are they that blind? can they just give it up and realize they were fooled? or what is going through their heads?
@Chinaculiacan LDS inc prime objective today is to protect it's profits. Faithful members are required a 10% membership fee to attend the inner sanctum of their temples. ( which are nothing more than a hybrid Masonic order of rituals ) The book of Abraham apology amounts to the importance of "the message". Whether it is a translation or revelation promoted by the presence of the papyri matters not & the book of mormon has nothing even remotely similar to the Mayans.
@Chinaculiacan Yes Family are Mormons ... Well 10% of 11 million members incomes. They also collect for missionary, building and welfare funds. Tho in reality I would guess not all 11 million members are temple going mormons. More like 5 million members pay temple dues. It's not a donation it is a requirement for temple membership.
Ex mormons should mount a claim. The church holds out that tithing is a donation but in fact it is a requirement for temple membership...Deceitful.
@deathspa202 Wrote: "i find this particularly hard to masturbate to"
Consider yourself Blessed, but I must caution you about what you post here. I'd HATE to see you 'guest star" on Dateline NBC's expose, "To Catch A Lamanite"!!
I don't know if I believe that the Thomas Murphy guy is really a Mormon Anthropologist and Scholar, I'm thinking he's more of an actor that's trying to play a Mormon. How could he be a Mormon if he really feels the way he does about the BOM as well as the other things he shares in this video? Do they know what Lehi's wifes ancestry was? What if Lehi's wife comes from an Asian heritage?
@cbl2988 Actually I'm not desperate at all. It was a simple question. Just because they tested the mitochondrial DNA doesn't mean they know Lehi's wife's DNA. Lehi's wife could have had some Asian DNA. It just takes one person to acquire Asian DNA.
@jaredma1 DNA is only one problematic issue for LDS. The lack of DNA evidence to support the claims of LDS, combined with the fact that many sciences do not support BoM are other problematic issues.
Geography?? Where are there any maps in BoM?? Archaeology?? Anthropology?? Demographics?? Agronomy?? Zoology?? Metallurgy?? Numismatology?? Those are just some problematic sciences for BoM.
@jaredma1 Note that 99.4% of the genetic markers were Asian in origin while the remaining .6% was European or African. Even if his wife were Asian, that still would not account for that strong of an Asian composition if Lehi were an Israelite. The DNA evidence is completely consistent the the archaeological, anthropological, linguistic, and other forms of evidence all saying that the American Indians are Asian in origin, not Middle Eastern!
@cbl2988 I have yet to see a bearded asian. Like a real thick beard, but the artwork shows that there WERE peoples with the thick Middle Eastern Beards. You got nothing just because todays native americans do not reflect middle eastern dna when 90% of ALL native americans were WIPED out due to small pox. The nephites were WIPED out long before that. This video is not honest, and there have been a small group of people that show middle eastern DNA. TOM MURPHY IS LYING TO YOU!
@LDS4Life71 hi. been looking and attending mormon church. but a JW study student. let me ask you this, with all the controversy surrounding the origins of the plates, and the peoples, then the doctrines that came out of this, do you really believe honestly that this belief is something you should follow,( consider 2Tim 4 3-4, Gal 1-8. ), when the original hebrew bible doesn't contain the 'extras' in the Books of Mormon?. how can you really trust it's elligability. I can't.
"There arrived in this land a man whom they called Quetzacoatl... His countenance was white and he wore a beard. His manner of dress consisted of a long white robe... He was considered just, saintly, and good, teaching them by deeds and words the road to virtue... He gave them laws and sane doctrine... He said that in the year that would be called Ce Acatl, He would return and then His doctrine would be accepted, and his children Lords and heirs of the earth."
@LDS4Life71 One of the great miracles of our times is that (supposedly) educated people still fall for all this nonsense of any religion. It is great to have a tight nit community. It is great to do good works and to care for each other. But why do you have to believe all this blatant impossible nonsense ..
@LDS4Life71 I wondered about Quetzalcoatl. When he started talking about (the miss) the lamenites etc, and i read how the jaredites could well be the Olmec's, it could fit,. If that's the case, though, i would still think that the creation story etc, would be the same as the original one written by God, via Moses?. Those are very pertinant parts left out of Genesis then!. It is the controversy surrounding Smith's story that's so questionable. a restoration, telling us later that we were spirits
@queue555 I watched the video by Dr. Joseph Allen "Lehi's land of first inheritance-Exploring the lands of the Book of Mormon."
It was about an hour long, and I found it for sale, but I used Piratebay and Torrent to download and watch it in detail. I got the quote above from that video, and that video was quoting a book written by the above native american with that really long name I do not wish to respell again. lol
@LDS4Life71 um, ok... I don't know what kind of evidence a thick beard is. Are you serious? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are just ignorant of how mitochondrial and y chromosomal DNA work. If you read the BOM you realize that the Nephites and Lamanites MIXED several times especially the 200 years after Christ. But anyway, that still wouldn't matter because they all share the same ancestor: LEHI!...cont
@LDS4Life71 cont... You think that if he and his family were all Israelite, it would at least show up in some of the genetic markers. Sadly, it hasn't. Also, if someone did find a small population that had some middle eastern DNA, it goes in light of the actual scientific data that says otherwise. If it were legit, scientists would be all over it because there is this thing called reproducibility and peer review. If there were anything to it, it would make it through all those...cont
@LDS4Life71 cont...obstacles and scientists would be all over it. Also, those so-called findings that you claim without a source contradict the archaeological, anthropological, linguistic, and actual DNA evidence. Whereas the DNA evidence, or lack of evidence, is completely consistent with other forms of evidence that ALL STRONGLY SUGGEST that Native Americans are Asian in origin, NOT ISRAELITE. Sorry, but you fail. We can conclude that there was no Lehi and the BOM is bogus!
@cbl2988 I not only took on their arguements, but I refuted them. Tom Murphy has ZERO evidence, and ZERO prooof, and the geneticists are wrong and disingenuine.
@LDS4Life71 I am an atheist and an exmormon. As far as I am concerned, both mormon apologists and evangelicals are equally ridiculous because all religion is a croc that suppresses the individual and destroys the mind.
@LDS4Life71 I know He lives,>> Too bad you can`t provide any evidence. Kids KNOW that Santa exists. There is power in every thing you believe in. There is power in any religion, in any philosophy, all you need is BELIEF .
@cbl2988 Mormonism is a perfect exemple how religion started and still do today. Take a few ideas from an existing religion. add a few of your own ideosyncrecies. Find a lot of simpletons and voila. There you have it.
@LDS4Life71 Evafelicals? hey women! what are you going to tell joseph when u stand before him and he asks you about your language? oh I see! NOTHING, because you'll end up where he is now for believing blindly about this man. and Jesus will say apart from me i never new you! What lies are we evangelicals saying?
@Chinaculiacan I have yet to see a bearded asian. Like a real thick beard, but the artwork shows that there WERE peoples with the thick Middle Eastern Beards. You got nothing just because todays native americans do not reflect middle eastern dna when 90% of ALL native americans were WIPED out due to small pox. The nephites were WIPED out long before that. This video is not honest, and there have been a small group of people that show middle eastern DNA. TOM MURPHY IS LYING TO YOU!
@LDS4Life71 I see that you're still full of simplistic, non factual, make believe, unsupported, false,un-educated, cowardly, bullshit! Man you are about as lame as it gets.
@kingsmen711 You anti-mormons are an uneducated group. Most of you don't even READ the Bible completely or carefully or in context. The reason you are not able to discern anything is because you are wicked and have not the Holy Ghost to know the Truth or guide you...therefore you are "tossed to and fro with EVERY wind of DOCTRINE" without apostles and prophets to guide you - for ONLY prophets & apostles can interpret revelation of other prophets & apostles - not for "private interpretation"
@LDS4Life71 Lying? Really? Well can you explain why, shortly after this video came out, the church altered the introduction to the Book of Mormon regarding the origin of the indians? They are now saying Lamanites are among the ancestors of native Americans, not the principal ones. The church obviously thinks there's something in what these researchers are saying. Why don't you?
@bossendenwoodconvict The evidence for the book of Mormon outweighs the old testament at this point. The book of Mormon lands were in central america, and I have a google earth map showing scholarly locations of all BoM cities from Zarahemla to Bountiful. We have LDS archaeologists leading the way. Your best is a teacher in a community college, and has ZERO fieldwork experience. If anyone is going by their mere "FEELINGS" it's Your wannabe scholars.
@bossendenwoodconvict Because they have learned it is not possible that the entire native american people cannot be descendant of Lehi and his family. Only a portion were. There were other peoples in the area and they mixed blood.
genetic evidence joins the list of MISSING evidences for the Book of Mormon. Geographical, archeological, linguistic, animals, metals and architecture.
Read the book of Mormon ( without the ridiculous volumes of study guides or mormon apology ) and asks yourself. Why is it that the book of Mormon does not fit anything Mayan or native American.
kramd1 6 days ago
Excellent Video. How Mormons can accept the pseudo-science of Israelis traveling to the Western Hemisphere (8,500 miles) and creating the Native Americans race with NO DNA, archeological or historical evidence to support this wild claim is absolutely amazing. And then there is the claim of the Mark of Cain where God made Cain black and evil because of his murder of Abel-thus not allowing Blacks to become high priests of the Church until 1978 when a "revelation" allowed them to accepted-Racism?
hfimc0021 1 week ago
very entertaining..
oncom2008 1 week ago
To all the dislikes, please tell me where Zarahemla is and and where all of the Lamanites and their ancestors are? Don't give me your opinion, I want to know either proven facts, or what official doctrine from the prophet is. Surely, if he is a true prophet God would tell him that. I am not interested in what apologists say. I only want replies on official doctrine, otherwise, if what you say is proven false next year Mormons will just say that is not official doctrine.
Gods1truechurchmyass 1 week ago
this video is alright until at the end, they used the bible, to try to convert mormon to a other delusion, christianity, will people ever learn, how many time do you need to be brainwashed to see the truth, religion itself is the problem, more then that the real problem is indoctrination,
faith, beleiving in something that cannot be supported by evidence, and beleiving you know how the world work, when you dont,
science, morality, rational thinking, is the way to go,
lapmarty 2 weeks ago
This video is interesting because its primary method of disputing theological literature is through the findings of scientific research. I would encourage the authors of this video to challenge other factually false theological texts, such as the Torah, The Old Testament, The New Testament and the Koran, through similar scientific methodology.
TheXipherZero 2 weeks ago
Mitt Romney truly believes that he will become a real “god” and be given his own planet tocall his wife into to populate with spirit children. Would you vote for a man who truly believes he will become a REAL GOD AND BE GIVEN HIS OWN PLANET? Or, would you question his judgment in the highest office in the land? Folks, this is the honest to God (no pun intended) truth.
Read book:CAN MITT ROMNEY SERVE TWO MASTERS? The Mormon Church Versus the Office Of The Presidency of the US
certainlytruthful 3 weeks ago
Mormons wake up that book is so false...may God have mercy on your souls if you don't.
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I hope all the black LDS see this and understand they think we are beneath them...and get out and find the real JESUS CHRIST OF THE BIBLE.
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While I am not Mormon, it seems a bit fallacious that Born Again Christians use DNA as evidence against the Book of Mormon, while most Born Again Christians do not accept Evolution. DNA is solid evidence for Evolution. So why accept what DNA allegedly says about Mormonism, but DNA has been confirmed as evidence for Evolution?
Stitchman3875 1 month ago
Whew, look at that red bar, 3000+ Mormons and that's just the ones who pressed the button. You can always tell the truthfulness in a Mormon documentary when the Mormons deny its truth. Mormons deny real evidence, like DNA and the Absurdly easy to disprove Book of Abraham and embrace with "faith" the complete lack of evidence for the Book of Mormon .
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
As an LDS Member of 40 years, this has been a wonderful wake up call about the Book of Mormon. If the Book of Mormon is false! Everything that they believe is too outside of the Old and New Testament. Period.
jrobison2010 1 month ago
DNA CAN ONLY TRACE BACK A THOUSAND YEARS. THE BOOK OF MORMON PEOPLE GO BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. There's no doubt that there was Asian and other migrations but to get a DNA reading of the said Israelites they have to go back thousands of years which they cant do .
Most mormons have a testimony and are not phased by rubbish of this kind. This video is just another attempt to discredit the BOM put out by another so called Christian group And there is plenty of archaeology evidence to the BOM.
MrMFHORN 1 month ago
not acurate!!!
rubenlds 1 month ago
Mormonism is the Eternal Presence of An Absence> It leaves us Wanting. Wanting truth, evidence, meaning. If Joe couldn't translate Real Egyptian, as in the Absurd Book of Abraham, how can we trust the Impossible "reformed Egyptian" Joe Proffers as the alphabet in the BofM. Mormonism is built not on evidence but on Beguiling and claiming authority over peoples lives.
IExposeMormonism 1 month ago
Here's an interesting telling of the Native American history:
About eighty-five thousand years ago the comparatively pure remnants of the red race went en masse across to North America, and shortly thereafter the Bering land isthmus sank, thus isolating them. No red man ever returned to Asia. But throughout Siberia, China, central Asia, India, and Europe they left behind much of their stock blended with the other colored races.
The Urantia Book, Paper 64, section 6
curiousuniverse 1 month ago
To tell you the truth This discussion about DNA and native Americans just show how ignorant these experts are in geography, linguistics, history, archaeology and related subjects I believe 100 % in the book of Mormon. Born and raise in Mexico i can tell you that you feel the same spirit of this book in the air in the ancient monuments all around Mexico, Central America and Peru. Please read the Popol Vuh
anapabreuyo 2 months ago
@anapabreuyo PLEASE kill yourself.
francispounds 1 month ago
"This video is 5 yrs. old."
Post DNA mormon apology has Lehi crossing the Atlantic Ocean, arriving in the gulf and settling in New York.
kramd1 2 months ago
So I am supposed to believe that no one of Eurasian/Mongolian ancestry crossed the Bering Strait but instead some Middle Eastern Semitic Caucasian Israelites came by boat from ancient Israel to the Americas.
And I am to believe that Gd made the good Israelites "white" and the bad ones dark skinned as punishment... and now all the native americans are dark skinned because they descend from a rebellious bad guy of caucasian semitic origin.
Right....... :D
themillieblog 2 months ago 11
@themillieblog You're also supposed to believe that god is a nomnipotent being that is just, and that anything negative that occurs is not of his creation- even tho he created everything. Don't forget to believe that Jesus died for your sins, before you even existed, but if you commit any more sins you will burn in hell. You were a sinner long before you were born. God knew you would be a sinner, so he created you so you could go ahead and sin and burn in his creation-hell.
UniverseOffspring 1 month ago
@themillieblog i can see why youre confused after watching such propaganda. your understanding of eurasian ancestry coming across the bering strait is fine. its most likely that Lehi & fellow Israelits came to the americas(600b.c) where there was already a dense array of people living here. The book of mormon also teaches that the Jaredites came across to America (2000+bc) & were amongst other people. Lehi, Jaredites, &more recently the Puritans all fled to 'The promised Land' as led by God
glycoboy 4 weeks ago
@glycoboy come on, man I'm not going to believe any of that. As a Jew I know the history of my people and we did not cross into pre-hispanic America. And no blind burning of the bosom will have me believe in such things. Consequently, my Jewish history is written by my Jewish ancestors and Jewish scholars, not by some American Gentile prophet or anyone else. I find it insulting to have to hear non-Jews tell me where my people went, what they did & how they turned dark skinned etc.
themillieblog 4 weeks ago
And I assume you know all about the Book of Mormon and the times that all of the groups came, not just Lehi. that is assuming you know when Lehi came.....
lesalezza 2 months ago
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lesalezza 2 months ago
For another point-of-view see: "Does DNA evidence refute the Book of Mormon?" on Youtube.
ephraim888 2 months ago
I wonder if the makers of this video would examine and give proof for Noah's Ark. Thinks about it, there are similar stories such as Gilgamesh that supposedly antedates the bible. Now... which came first, the bible or Gilgamesh? How did the flood cover the entire world? How did Noah fit all those animals in the Ark? Beyond all that, how did Jesus turn water into wine? If they believe science, how was the world made in 6 days? Just wondering...scientifcally explain all that! Miracles maybe! Ummm!
BUZZ4134 2 months ago
There are two trains of thought in the LDS Church.
Those that believe the people of the Book of Mormon landed in Meso-America.
Another believes these people landed in the Gulf area of the southern US and moved north to the Great Lakes area.
lesalezza 2 months ago
This video is 5 yrs. old.
Studies now being done show that in the Great Lakes area of N America there is ancient Israelite DNA, haplotype X. This is also found in abt. 2% of the ancient pop. of Eur., N Afr., and Near East. Most common amt is 7-8%, but in Israeli Druze it is 26%. In the anc. Native Amer. it accounts for abt. 3%. It is mostly found in the Ojibwa - 25%, Sioux - 15%, a few others from 7-13%. These are of NE America. The western natives do come from an Asian DNA.
lesalezza 2 months ago
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@lesalezza What is your point? I mean that sincerely as I do not understand what you are trying to say.
dljones33 2 months ago
@lesalezza BS!! The "hapologroup X" crap LDS is trying to pawn off conveniently neglects to mention that those links date back long before "The Book of Mormon" times.
What group of independent, Non-LDS affiliated research groups have authenticated these findings??
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Their DNA testing is wrong. For the worlds information... The history which the Hopi Indians teach of their ancestors as well as the "Great White Spirit" who visited their ancestors nearly 2000 years ago, correlates with that written in The Book of Mormon. That is not a coincidence. Pray and ask God about The Book of Mormon. I hope the best for all of you.
JerryStud1 2 months ago
There is chiasmis in the Book of Mormon. Just like the Bible. Lehi is an important name in the Book of Mormon. It also was the name of an Israeli gang that fought for independence in 1948. I t also had the name of the Stern gang. The Book opf Mormon is true.
gp403220 2 months ago
@gp403220 All religions are false. Especially the Book of Mormon because of the scientific proof.
801nwallace 2 months ago
@801nwallace And you know ALL religions are false because.........Uh?
kingsmen711 2 months ago
@kingsmen711 Same reason I know that Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny don't exist. If the bible was truly the word of "God" then there would not be no false statements. The Earth is not the center of the universe, but the church had to change their beliefs before the sheeple would believe it. Mankind fears what they don't understand, so they make things up to fill that void within themselves.
801nwallace 2 months ago
@801nwallace Boy is that as about a simplistic answer as it gets. No Santa or Easter bunny disproves the existence of God. VERY compelling indeed.
kingsmen711 2 months ago
@801nwallace And your last line about not understanding certainly applies to you as well.
kingsmen711 2 months ago
@kingsmen711Oh, that is easy, IMO Religions are man made, therefore they are only mans attempt to define and get close to God. Many religions hold some truth but no religion has all truth. Much of it they guess about as they have never actually known God. Instead religions will make things up. Because of this imperfectness you could easily come to the conclusion that religions are false and God never established a particular religion. If you know the perfect religion tell us all and explain why.
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JerryStud1 2 months ago
None of the Book Of Mormon characters, places, or names ever existed outside of the Book of Mormon (with the exception of Utah...hehe).
The book is a fable. Mormonism is akin to Scientology. You need to be heavily deluded to believe either one.
stanleysteama 2 months ago
@stanleysteama There is an Onneida name in the Book Of Mormon. There is an Oneida county in New York state.
gp403220 2 months ago
@gp403220 That's your "proof" that the BOM is true? You guys utterly fail EVER SINGLE SMELL TEST! Look up the word "hoax" in the dictionary.
kingsmen711 2 months ago
Not being a Mormon, and to play the devil's advocate, you cannot make assumptions about a genetic connection between native americans and ancient israelites, when you have not knowledge of ancient israelite DNA. Current Israelites, are a small sample of one tribe (if at all) the tribe of Judah, which is not part of the tribes of Israel. Israel does not descend from Judah, they both descend from Abraham. Additionally, most Jews are not ethnic Judah descendents but Ashkenazi.
Sterlacea 2 months ago
@Sterlacea Let me play the common sense advocate to say definitively the Mormon Church is based 100% on make believe.
stanleysteama 2 months ago
You are right. I do know that God exists. Did you read the quotes from Einstein and Hawkings? These great minds aknowledge the that God does exist. Just not in the way that you demand that he manifests Himself.Science and religion do work hand in hand. Science that denies outright the possibilty of a creator is not being intellectually honest.You have made up your mind on the matte"r, but do not let your pride get in the way of possibilities.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
But he does have a place in science. He is in constant referral by the scientific community on a constant basis. He is part of the formula of creation. It has just not been fully explained, as has the creation through scientific measures. He is part of the ongoing equation. As in science, a lack of proof today eliminates nothing that could be a viable answer.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
Stephan Hawking: "So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. "A Brief History of Time." Einstein wrote: " My religiosity consists of a humble admiration of the infinitly superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to percieve with our frail and feeble minds. That deeply emotional conviction of thepresence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God. " The Quotable Einstein."
kingsmen711 3 months ago
All I am producing (through Israel Finkelstein) is evidence that many Bible stories are false. As for the existence of an imaginary sky-daddy, can you prove that a carton of milk isn't orbiting the Earth controlling human affairs? What you've never seen that carton of milk? You've never felt its presence? Can you prove it isn't there, controlling what we do? You must be some ignorant anti-carton of milk type...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
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"Please don´t read the Book of Mormon and don´t pray for it´s truthfulness"
Antimormons and so-called christians.
dorisfenella 3 months ago
After reviewing comments from many Mormons to this video I see even more the truth of my Lord who said "seeing they will not see and hearing they will not hear". The sad part is that this video should not be necessary to convert a Mormon to Christianity. The bible teaches that Mormonism is not Christianity even if what they say is true that JS heard it from an angle. (Read Gal Ch 1) You cannot prove Mormonism from the Bible. Now their only claimed tie to the bible (the lost tribe) disproved!
PolyRock1 3 months ago
@PolyRock1 I found this on YT: watch?v=t440bxhn1qA
It's about "The Bible Unearthed"... You should watch it.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
Veritas, I challenge you to back your statement that the bible has been proved wrong with one piece of information. On the contrary I will prove you wrong with many historical proofs that the bible is a reliable history and has been shown to be that time after time. Of course I don't expect you to accept as. Ungodly people only want to content not defend.
PolyRock1 3 months ago
@PolyRock1 Proving that the Bible is false... Wow, where to begin? Of course, there are stories like Adam & Eve or Noah, etc, that are just so obviously false, it's not even worth going into. But then there is the whole story of the origins of the Isrealites that many people seem to think is actual history.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@PolyRock1 However, an honest look at the archaeology shows us a very different picture. A brief summary: There is no evidence that ancient Hebrews were ever slaves in Egypt. There is no evidence of a mass exodus of people from Egypt, through the Sinai. There is no evidence to support the idea that these Israelites conquered the land of Canaan which was part of the Egyptian Empire at the time.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
The Egyptians were pretty good record keepers and we are getting a pretty clear picture of what was going on at that time and none of it fits the Bible stories. And that's just the beginning...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia Give me a break. We have the temples ,places,names,coins,synagogues,The Pontius Pilate Inscription,Caiaphas Family tomb,Rolling stone tomb,Jesus Blurial Place etc, etc, and 35 other finds to support Biblical stories, places and things. Finds that help explain Bible backgrounds and cultures. 50 finds that help us understand the Bible better. Archaeological finds that help confirm the Bibles accuracy. So when you spew this nonsense of no evidence you are LYING!!!!!
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@ThePeaches01234 Yeah... Frist of all, I didn't say that the ancient Israelites never existed or that the Bible is completely made up like the Book of Mormon. There is good evidence that the bulk of the Bible was written in the 7th & 6th century BCE. Events of earlier times described in the Bible, like Exodus, are full of anachonisms and they are not suppoted by archeology at all. They are most likely just legends or deliberately made up stories like the Book of Mormon.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@ThePeaches01234 Look, I gave the link for the documentary about "The Bible Unearthed". It's all on YT. I base a lot of what I'm saying on the work of Israel Finkelstein, one of the author of the book, so watch it and you'll understand what I'm talking about. I don't know what 35 or 50 finds you're talking about or what you think they prove but you have an easy way of seeing what I'm talking about. Try understanding what a person is saying before denouncing they as a LIAR!!!!
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@PolyRock1 I know that there are loads of Christians and Jews who are desperately looking for anything they can interpret as supporting what they want to believe, just like the LDS people do. But that is not how science is done and that is why their "findings" will always be a joke. To get started you could read "The Bible Unearthed" by Israel Finkelstein or watch this: watch?v=GK40s49JK9g
She briefly talks about what is agreed upon by the majority of archeologists studying this topic.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia You are apparantly an intellectual midget. Rock solid proof of places,names, stuctures,transcripts abound and more is being found on a daily basis. You are well behind the learning curve and should not be in such a rush to show everyone your ignorance on the subject.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 So when someone tells you that your favourite fairy tales aren't real history, they are intellectual midgets because these stories have the names of real places. They also mention real people and structures... Wow, what a powerful argument... How to counter that one??? By that definition "Gone With The Wind" is actual history because it names Atlanta and General Lee... You are a waste of time, buddy. Not to mention a waste of space...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia You seem to have a problem seperating fact from fiction.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 No, I think that is a problem you are having... I know fiction when I see it and I see it in the Bible... You want to believe despite the evidence and that is what make you coo coo for cocoa puffs. You clearly have a fact from fiction problem, not me.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia What evidence can you produce that God does not exist? Coo coo for CoCo Puffs. My original statement stands.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 Carton of milk orbiting the sky!!! I think I've just switched sides with that compelling "argument".
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 It's no weaker than your arguments... You'd see this if you weren't so intellectually dishonest.... Prove that something that isn't there, isn't there!!.... OK, well... find me proof that it is there and we can talk, otherwise, we're wasting our time. Now you're going to attribute to god everything we can`t completely explain and think this is somehow evidence... It isn`t. Try defining what your god is and we can talk...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia Einstein maintained that God manifests himself "in the laws of the universe as a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble. Einstein agreed with Spinoza that he who knows nature knows God, but not because nature is God, but because the pusuit of science in studying nature leads to RELIGION."
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 Again Einstein speaks: "I have never found a better expression than "religion" for this trust in the rational nature of reality and of its peculiar accessibility to the human mind. Where this trust is lacking science degenerates into an uninspired procedure. Let the devil care if the priestsmake capital out of this. Ther is no remedy for that
kingsmen711 3 months ago
"Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true. The consequence was a positively fanatic orgy of freethinking coupled with the impression that youth is intentionally being deceived by the state through lies; it was a crushing impression. Mistrust of every kind of authority grew out of this experience, a skeptical attitude toward the convictions that were alive in any specific social environment"...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 " - an attitude that has never again left me, even though, later on, it has been tempered by a better insight into the causal connections."
- Albert Einstein, Autobiographical Notes
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth."
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 "I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."
- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr., Sept. 28, 1949
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 Whatever Einstein believed about religion, I don't think it really supports your cause... In any case, none of this has any bearing on my original claim that many Bibles stories can be proven false through archaeology.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia You asked me to define what my God is. I know what he is in my personal beliefes which I will no longer subject to ridicule. The case for scientific support of God, Supreme Mind, Supreme itellec tover that of man is suppoted by counless cosmologist throughout the world because ther is no other viable scientific proof for the creation. Do not confuse scientific theory or opinion as fact. And many bible stories can be proven true, as supported by your man Finkelstein.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 I reject the god of the bible because I think it is blatantly false. I also reject all other versions of god or gods produced by humans as well. My first assumption in trying to understand anything is "maybe everything we think we know is wrong". I don't claim to know all of the mysteries of the universe, existance and life. Maybe we'll never know these things but the only thing that will help us understand our universe is logical, rational, critical thinking...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 Dogmatic beliefs are a dead, circular worldviews that cannot change with new evidence. We must always be willing to abandon old beliefs in the face of new evidence but this is impossible with religious dogma. We must admit that we probably know very little about our universe and we must keep search for more answers. But your worldview is complete. It has a beginning and an end. All questions are answered... false answers, but who cares. This thinking leads to the Dark Ages...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia You state that we know very little about the universe and the scientific community sometimes rushes to a flawed theory. How can you say that we must keep searching but insist on slamming the door shut on God. I have noidea When the universe was created, nor do I know when it will end. I'm not the one who seems to be adverse to science and theology.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 The problem with god as an answer to anything is that god is not a knowable mesurable entity. To explain something that we don't understand with something else that we don't understand is no explanation at all. To primiative man lightning was a mystery. So it was attributed to a god. You don't believe that lightning is caused by god when he's angry, do you? Until we know exactly what god is and what he can and can't do, he will have no place in science.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia Do a minimal amount of research on the "Laws of Nature" It explains things such as why lighting occurs, and in general, the order of the laws of nature and how they came about.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 Admit it, you "know" that god created the universe. You don't need evidence for that, you simply "know" it and you will reject any evidence to the contrary. This is why science and religion will always be diametrically opposed. In science, knowledge comes from evidence. In religion, knowledge is based on faith. Evidence is not really needed. To truly understand our world people need to abandon religious dogma. Any look into their origins shows how arbitrary and ridiculous they are.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia "Everyone who is seriuosly engaged in the pusuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of natue manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men,and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble."..... A. Einstein
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 You can selectively misquote people as much as you want, it doesn't change the fact that your dogmatic view of the world is definitely not what they are talking about. You are harking back to a pre-Enlightenment worldview where science was meant to understand god's mind. We are well beyond that now. Try joining us in the 21th century...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia I have misquoted no one. And using you reasoning, Hawking' theories are pre- Elightenment. Do the research yourself, and please, let me know which qoutes were out of context. If you don't want to be bothered with research, I would be glad to share my sources and dates with you. To say that Einstein was trying to prove that God existed is, well, laughable. Same goes for Hawkings.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia And on your statement of pre Enlightenment, is it not a little odd that countless atheists constantly refer to Darwin as the go-to guy?
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia If we discover a complete theory, it should in time be understandable by everyone, not just by a few scientists. Then we shall all, philosiphers,scientists and just ordinary people,be able to take part in the discussion of the question of why it is that we and the universe exist. If we find the answer to that, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason---for then we should know the mind of God......Stephen Hawkings.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia Reasearch the "Laws of Nature" This is certainly the question that scientists from Newton to Einstein to Heisenberg have asked--- and answered. Their answer is the Mind of God.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia I have tried, within reason, to show scientific reasoning for the existence of God. At no time have I envoked theology. I am sorry that I, nor anyone else, can provide a snapshot of God that you seem to so desperately need.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 Again... What is this magical super-being? Where does it come from? What are it's properties? What was there before it? How did it come into being? What powers does it have and how do they work? Is it a personal entity with its own personality (as believed by Jews, Christians & Muslims) or is it an impersonal force as Buddhists believe. Why are you right and they are wrong? Question require proof to be answered... Do you have any? Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia I've never said anyone was wrong. I simply presented my case, based on research from the most pre-eminent minds of our time. These are their conclusions, not mine. They are compelling and thouroughly researched. You are arguing against science.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@kingsmen711 This is utter nonsense... like everything else you've written. No scientist gives any credence to this type of mambo-jumbo. Why not which-doctors and fortune-tellers. To forgo evidence and just give in to what you want to believe IS going back to the Dark Ages... You can spew all of your nonsense as much as you like but stop your ridiculous pretence about being scientific...
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia You are in dire need of reading books that don't re-inforce your views. If Hawkings, Einstein, Flew, Spinoza, Newton, are not valid sources on the subject, your mind is closed to the wonderful possibilities that lay before us.I have quoted the best minds the world has witnessed. If thats mumbo Jumbo, I would suggest the opposite.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia What evidence exists to refute the existece ogf God?
kingsmen711 3 months ago
@veritasEtjusticia The answers to your questions will more than likely remain unanswered in our lifetimes. But, it does not remove the possibility or probability, according to science, of the existence of God, Supreme Mind, Supreme designer, what ever moniker you wish to use. You simply cannot, intellectually, dismiss God.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
This was really good stuff... until the last part. You know archeology has shown that a lot of what is in the Bible is pure fiction. Don't just put the Book of Mormon under scientific scrutiny. Try applying it to all of the Bible and all religious texts. You'll see that most of this stuff just falls apart, not just the BOM. Religious dogma and charlatans just seem to go hand in hand. This is true of Joe Smith and goes way, way back in time.
veritasEtjusticia 3 months ago
In biblical Christianity we have hope; in Mormonism you have a hoax!
pilgrimkjv136 3 months ago
Are you kidding me?Really??
baronerolo 3 months ago
Fascinating once again, thanks
athb4hu 3 months ago
my y-dna is R1 and correlates with the Native Americans of the Great Lakes or the Algonquins. I was born in Polynesia and I am Polynesian, what does this mean? Maybe we are related some way or the other. DNA is still in its early stages, who knows, maybe R1 which branches out to R1a and R1b in Europe could be Hebraic. Who knows only time will tell as we do more tests.
sakiusad 3 months ago
So let me get this straight the New Testament of the Bible is Jesus' word to us that he is the Eternal Son of the Father Divinely God and Divienly human in hypostasis and that Jesus has always existed with the Father in the fellowship of the Holy Spirit and then 1800 years later Jesus tells Joe Smith, "That isn't quite right, I'm not what I said I was in the Bible." ???? Not possible.
prokopto 3 months ago
@prokopto I know, you'd think it was all pretty much covered by the first four Gospel Writers. To me, lets just say some hebrews did make it to south america, i can accept that, but the doctrines they've come up with all seem to be a mixture of pagan ideas, and the bible together, plus whatever else they've added in. I tried with the Mormons, for a month, and it was pretty amazing. no one knows scripture very well at all and they won't look to take an understanding of the consequences of not loo
queue555 3 months ago
Evangelicals are full of horse poo!
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
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Silly little evangelical....When those words were written - they were written by an "apostle" at that time (The letter to the Hebrews). And how many more letters of "revelation" CONTINUED after? Do you really believe Jesus wrote the works of the Bible? What this means is that in his day (the writer of Hebrews - we believe is Paul) was saying that in his day Jesus spoke to the saints through his servants via revelation..Paul didn't even SEE Jesus. AS in these days he does so too.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
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@LDS4Life71 OR THESE WORDS ARE FROM THE HOLY GHOST? to chinaculiacan. Fuck your paid ministry , you fucking liar! You got nothing but lies. U will earn a one way ticket to hell
Chinaculiacan 3 months ago
So, there was 1 Nephite left, who then died, and yet the Mormons go on about the 3 Nephites who never tasted death! so if they all but 1 died, then the 3 couldn't wander the earth now, and if they were still around, then the church could never have fallen away from the earth! Mormonism, 19th century English for liars!!
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@tattoodfreeek The 3 Nephtes , Left to live forever, never to taste death and to remain on earth the "administer the gospel of Jesus Christ" . No evidence that they existed or exist > lots of urban tales of nephite sightings and assistance in car accidents. mormon story telling gets weird with the three Nephites. Honestly believe the book of mormon stories are real. Nephites and Lamanites riding Tapirs with wooden wheeled chariots and swords. what a load of horse poo.
kramd1 3 months ago
@kramd1 I had to read that a few times to figure out if you were pro or anti mormon then!! There is a huge amount that just doesn't add up with the whole cult!!
tattoodfreeek 3 months ago
@tattoodfreeek LOL , Nothing makes sense. Even jesus is Quetzalcoatl.
kramd1 3 months ago
Mormons are profoundly evil and violent people who have taken over US culture along with Zionists. They are the coming of the Beast.
They've taken over National Public Radio who is denying American citizens who fund them their right to free speech. They can't discuss that Mormon women abandon their male offspring to fend for themselves on the streets.
Such a Christian people. Violent racists just like Zioinists.
sonbarably 4 months ago
MORMONS, MASTERS OF EXCUSES
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
Most evilest Muther Fucker in history! Old Joe Smith!
firewings12 4 months ago 2
Not real history, Joseph Smith was not a prophet. American Indians are not Hebrews.
Evidence shows the Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be.
kramd1 4 months ago
@kramd1 Then why in the world LDS keep saying the bom is real, and that joseph was a true prophet of God? are they that blind? can they just give it up and realize they were fooled? or what is going through their heads?
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan LDS inc prime objective today is to protect it's profits. Faithful members are required a 10% membership fee to attend the inner sanctum of their temples. ( which are nothing more than a hybrid Masonic order of rituals ) The book of Abraham apology amounts to the importance of "the message". Whether it is a translation or revelation promoted by the presence of the papyri matters not & the book of mormon has nothing even remotely similar to the Mayans.
kramd1 4 months ago
@kramd1 10 %? No wonder they are rich. Looks like you know a lot obout their doctrine!
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Yes Family are Mormons ... Well 10% of 11 million members incomes. They also collect for missionary, building and welfare funds. Tho in reality I would guess not all 11 million members are temple going mormons. More like 5 million members pay temple dues. It's not a donation it is a requirement for temple membership.
Ex mormons should mount a claim. The church holds out that tithing is a donation but in fact it is a requirement for temple membership...Deceitful.
kramd1 4 months ago
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deathspa202 4 months ago
i find this particularly hard to masturbate to
deathspa202 4 months ago 2
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@deathspa202 Wrote: "i find this particularly hard to masturbate to"
Consider yourself Blessed, but I must caution you about what you post here. I'd HATE to see you 'guest star" on Dateline NBC's expose, "To Catch A Lamanite"!!
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
I don't know if I believe that the Thomas Murphy guy is really a Mormon Anthropologist and Scholar, I'm thinking he's more of an actor that's trying to play a Mormon. How could he be a Mormon if he really feels the way he does about the BOM as well as the other things he shares in this video? Do they know what Lehi's wifes ancestry was? What if Lehi's wife comes from an Asian heritage?
jaredma1 4 months ago
@jaredma1 Are you that desperate to make that huge of a leap? They tested mitochondrial DNA AND Y chromosomal DNA.
cbl2988 4 months ago
@cbl2988 Actually I'm not desperate at all. It was a simple question. Just because they tested the mitochondrial DNA doesn't mean they know Lehi's wife's DNA. Lehi's wife could have had some Asian DNA. It just takes one person to acquire Asian DNA.
jaredma1 4 months ago
@jaredma1 DNA is only one problematic issue for LDS. The lack of DNA evidence to support the claims of LDS, combined with the fact that many sciences do not support BoM are other problematic issues.
Geography?? Where are there any maps in BoM?? Archaeology?? Anthropology?? Demographics?? Agronomy?? Zoology?? Metallurgy?? Numismatology?? Those are just some problematic sciences for BoM.
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago 2
@CounterCultureLives You tell them counterculterlives, No really, try to tell them about it and they'll give a laundry of excuses for it.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Leaves me to wonder: Does staring at magic rocks in a hat bring forth 'Revelations of Divine Excuses"??
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
@CounterCultureLives Repeat after me! I know i know i know i know, No I don't belive jose was a true prophet.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
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CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
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@Chinaculiacan Don't listen to these hateful Anti-Mormons. To learn the TRUTH about The Book of Mormon, please see:
Foundation for Archaeological Imaginings for Latter Day Saints: FAIL.D.S.org
Foundation for Omniscient Observations for Latter Day Saints: FOOL.D.S.org
Society for Historically Imagined Lands for Latter Day Saints: SHILL.D.S.org
I KNOW Joseph SmYth was a true PROFIT of god.
I KNOW that the Book of Mormon is TRUE!!
There's no place like home, there's no place like home......
CounterCultureLives 4 months ago
@jaredma1 Note that 99.4% of the genetic markers were Asian in origin while the remaining .6% was European or African. Even if his wife were Asian, that still would not account for that strong of an Asian composition if Lehi were an Israelite. The DNA evidence is completely consistent the the archaeological, anthropological, linguistic, and other forms of evidence all saying that the American Indians are Asian in origin, not Middle Eastern!
cbl2988 4 months ago
@cbl2988 I have yet to see a bearded asian. Like a real thick beard, but the artwork shows that there WERE peoples with the thick Middle Eastern Beards. You got nothing just because todays native americans do not reflect middle eastern dna when 90% of ALL native americans were WIPED out due to small pox. The nephites were WIPED out long before that. This video is not honest, and there have been a small group of people that show middle eastern DNA. TOM MURPHY IS LYING TO YOU!
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 You sir, are an iconic idiot!
kingsmen711 4 months ago
@kingsmen711 You have no answer for the truth so you result with name calling. haha
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 hi. been looking and attending mormon church. but a JW study student. let me ask you this, with all the controversy surrounding the origins of the plates, and the peoples, then the doctrines that came out of this, do you really believe honestly that this belief is something you should follow,( consider 2Tim 4 3-4, Gal 1-8. ), when the original hebrew bible doesn't contain the 'extras' in the Books of Mormon?. how can you really trust it's elligability. I can't.
queue555 4 months ago
@queue555 I absolutely can, because i took the test the book of Mormon and the LORD asks.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
"There arrived in this land a man whom they called Quetzacoatl... His countenance was white and he wore a beard. His manner of dress consisted of a long white robe... He was considered just, saintly, and good, teaching them by deeds and words the road to virtue... He gave them laws and sane doctrine... He said that in the year that would be called Ce Acatl, He would return and then His doctrine would be accepted, and his children Lords and heirs of the earth."
-Ixtlilxochitl, 1600AD
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 One of the great miracles of our times is that (supposedly) educated people still fall for all this nonsense of any religion. It is great to have a tight nit community. It is great to do good works and to care for each other. But why do you have to believe all this blatant impossible nonsense ..
ndzoko 4 months ago
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@ndzoko Psalm 85:10-11
New King James Version (NKJV) 10 Mercy and truth have met together; Righteousness and peace have kissed.
11 Truth shall spring out of the earth, And righteousness shall look down from heaven.
A revelation for the book of mormon. Tell me, ignoramus, how does this scripture apply to your false religion?
"out of the earth." You guys think your three headed trinitarian anthropomorphic goo jebus came from the ground?
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I wondered about Quetzalcoatl. When he started talking about (the miss) the lamenites etc, and i read how the jaredites could well be the Olmec's, it could fit,. If that's the case, though, i would still think that the creation story etc, would be the same as the original one written by God, via Moses?. Those are very pertinant parts left out of Genesis then!. It is the controversy surrounding Smith's story that's so questionable. a restoration, telling us later that we were spirits
queue555 4 months ago
@queue555 I watched the video by Dr. Joseph Allen "Lehi's land of first inheritance-Exploring the lands of the Book of Mormon."
It was about an hour long, and I found it for sale, but I used Piratebay and Torrent to download and watch it in detail. I got the quote above from that video, and that video was quoting a book written by the above native american with that really long name I do not wish to respell again. lol
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 sigue igual de ciega?
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Mitt Romney lead republican to beat and will beat OBAMA 2012 for president
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 No solo ciega! creo que ya perdio la razon. Ha ha
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 um, ok... I don't know what kind of evidence a thick beard is. Are you serious? I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are just ignorant of how mitochondrial and y chromosomal DNA work. If you read the BOM you realize that the Nephites and Lamanites MIXED several times especially the 200 years after Christ. But anyway, that still wouldn't matter because they all share the same ancestor: LEHI!...cont
cbl2988 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 cont... You think that if he and his family were all Israelite, it would at least show up in some of the genetic markers. Sadly, it hasn't. Also, if someone did find a small population that had some middle eastern DNA, it goes in light of the actual scientific data that says otherwise. If it were legit, scientists would be all over it because there is this thing called reproducibility and peer review. If there were anything to it, it would make it through all those...cont
cbl2988 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 cont...obstacles and scientists would be all over it. Also, those so-called findings that you claim without a source contradict the archaeological, anthropological, linguistic, and actual DNA evidence. Whereas the DNA evidence, or lack of evidence, is completely consistent with other forms of evidence that ALL STRONGLY SUGGEST that Native Americans are Asian in origin, NOT ISRAELITE. Sorry, but you fail. We can conclude that there was no Lehi and the BOM is bogus!
cbl2988 4 months ago
@cbl2988 The BoM is NOT bogus. The only bogus is the lies of the evangelicals.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Way to not take on the arguments on their merits.
cbl2988 4 months ago
@cbl2988 I not only took on their arguements, but I refuted them. Tom Murphy has ZERO evidence, and ZERO prooof, and the geneticists are wrong and disingenuine.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@cbl2988 Mormon Apologetic Scholarship and Evangelical Neglect:
Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?
Carl Mosser and Paul Owen
1997 Evangelical Theological Society Far West Annual Meeting
April 25, 1997
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I am an atheist and an exmormon. As far as I am concerned, both mormon apologists and evangelicals are equally ridiculous because all religion is a croc that suppresses the individual and destroys the mind.
cbl2988 4 months ago
@cbl2988 Well I guess I'm really sorry you lost your faith in God. I know He lives, and loves you and there is power in His very name.
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I know He lives,>> Too bad you can`t provide any evidence. Kids KNOW that Santa exists. There is power in every thing you believe in. There is power in any religion, in any philosophy, all you need is BELIEF .
ndzoko 4 months ago
@cbl2988 i think you found yourself in two false ones, and there's alot out there.
queue555 4 months ago
@cbl2988 Mormonism is a perfect exemple how religion started and still do today. Take a few ideas from an existing religion. add a few of your own ideosyncrecies. Find a lot of simpletons and voila. There you have it.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko True
cbl2988 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Evafelicals? hey women! what are you going to tell joseph when u stand before him and he asks you about your language? oh I see! NOTHING, because you'll end up where he is now for believing blindly about this man. and Jesus will say apart from me i never new you! What lies are we evangelicals saying?
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan I have yet to see a bearded asian. Like a real thick beard, but the artwork shows that there WERE peoples with the thick Middle Eastern Beards. You got nothing just because todays native americans do not reflect middle eastern dna when 90% of ALL native americans were WIPED out due to small pox. The nephites were WIPED out long before that. This video is not honest, and there have been a small group of people that show middle eastern DNA. TOM MURPHY IS LYING TO YOU!
LDS4Life71 4 months ago
@LDS4Life71 I see that you're still full of simplistic, non factual, make believe, unsupported, false,un-educated, cowardly, bullshit! Man you are about as lame as it gets.
kingsmen711 3 months ago
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@kingsmen711 You anti-mormons are an uneducated group. Most of you don't even READ the Bible completely or carefully or in context. The reason you are not able to discern anything is because you are wicked and have not the Holy Ghost to know the Truth or guide you...therefore you are "tossed to and fro with EVERY wind of DOCTRINE" without apostles and prophets to guide you - for ONLY prophets & apostles can interpret revelation of other prophets & apostles - not for "private interpretation"
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
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@LDS4Life to Chinaculiacan FUCK YOU LYING BITCH. I READ ALMA AND IT's WEIGHTS AND MEASURES YOU DUMBFUCKING BITCH
LDS4Life71) ARE THESE THE WORKS AND WORDS OF THE HOLLY GHOST? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Chinaculiacan 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Lying? Really? Well can you explain why, shortly after this video came out, the church altered the introduction to the Book of Mormon regarding the origin of the indians? They are now saying Lamanites are among the ancestors of native Americans, not the principal ones. The church obviously thinks there's something in what these researchers are saying. Why don't you?
bossendenwoodconvict 3 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict The evidence for the book of Mormon outweighs the old testament at this point. The book of Mormon lands were in central america, and I have a google earth map showing scholarly locations of all BoM cities from Zarahemla to Bountiful. We have LDS archaeologists leading the way. Your best is a teacher in a community college, and has ZERO fieldwork experience. If anyone is going by their mere "FEELINGS" it's Your wannabe scholars.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 Why did the church change the introduction to the Book of Mormon?
bossendenwoodconvict 3 months ago
@bossendenwoodconvict Because they have learned it is not possible that the entire native american people cannot be descendant of Lehi and his family. Only a portion were. There were other peoples in the area and they mixed blood.
LDS4Life71 3 months ago
@LDS4Life71 It appears, according to the B.O.M. that there were no other peoples.
In 2 Nephi 1:8 we find "It is wisdom that this land should be kept as yet from the knowledge of other nations."
bossendenwoodconvict 3 months ago