The thought of Gaia and the Ebon Dragon as former mages is actually quite funny now that I think about it. It actually wouldn't be hard though to envision demons as slightly powered down infernal exaltations that retained their memories (If some what garbled) but Vampire was the big focal point of the OWoD so it would be hard to work around it....unless Caine was just a botched version of an abyssal and vamps were just watered down shards from that broken exaltation. It would be a hellish retcon
@Haruhello Kinda works, now that I consider it. Gaia could be a Dreamspeaker or a Verbena, the Ebon Dragon a Nephandi, Autochthon from Iteration X or the Sons Of Ether...
All in all though I think they work best as seperate universes. The focus is different anyway, with most ofExalted being huge, OTT action and most of OWoD being grubby, street level stuff. Btw did you ever take a look at Abberant?
@GriffinPilgrim You know I've always wanted to but never really got the chance to take a peak into the Abberant line. I remember touching upon Adventure once but my group and I never really went anywhere with it. It was kind of disappointing. I did get really big into Scion though.
@Haruhello Abberant was fun, if absurdly over-powered. The highest level power I saw was called Universe Creation, description: Yes, really. Granted you'd have to play for years to get that high Quantum, but still...
I freaking love Scion, very annoying to me that it's such a limited line. Even got to indulge my love of the Fae once Companion introduced the Tuatha de Dannan. I GM'd a campaign taking my players from Heroes to Gods facing down Titans. It was epic.
@GriffinPilgrim Awesome! I'm currently getting together a group for Scion and we plan and doing the same thing and including a blast to the past of sorts. I made a scion that is a Son of Brigid that had went from Underground Rocker to Warrior Poet after an incident involving a Lanan Sidhe killing his mortal family.
@Haruhello Nice! I had a Scion of Balder who was a con-woman in my group. The amount of times she got them out of trouble...and the amount of times the Scion of Thor got them right back in...
Also one of my players worked out a thing with me to be a Scion of the Grim Reaper, who we decided was an ascended Scion of Baron Samedi. He was fun.
@GriffinPilgrim That sounds friggin awesome. I remember mentioning jokingly amongst my friends that we would have to do a Pantheon based on modern day America after someone said something about a god of Hollywood looking like a drugged out Starlet mixed with a many armed goddess. Funny enough I started working on that not to long ago.
@Haruhello Cool! You could use the Yankee pantheon from Companion as a starting point. The same guy who made a Grim Reaper Scion also came up with a whole pahtheon, the Brethren of the sail, based on pirate mythology. That's what's so great about Scion, the huge potential for customisation.
@GriffinPilgrim I know right, I really wish there was more stuff for it. Fanon has made some pretty wild stuff for it though. Speaking of which they are supposedly releasing a hard back that contain the Yazatas and the Nemetondevos (The Gaulish Pantheon from the french only release). To me that just sounds like pure awesome right there since they mention something about a Triple Goddess as the Avatar of Fate going around punishing those who abuse their ties with fate.
@Haruhello Excellent! Was hoping we'd get an English version of the Gauls. My French, not so good. Now my Spanish...still pretty shit...
The whole Fate thing is great to play with. A friend of mine was GMing a campaign and asked me for advice. We worked out this story, a little girl who was a tangle in Fate that was causing disaters by accident. The way to save her and sort the problem was for one of the characters to die in her place. Launching the 2nd part, rescuing him from the Underworld.
@GriffinPilgrim My French is rusty and my Spanish is about the same as yours so an English translation is very much welcome. I was looking forward to this one for awhile now, I love Gallic Myth. So how did the second part go for rescuing him from the Underworld.
@Haruhello Pretty well, though sadly I don't know as much details on that part. I was in my third year at university, he was in his second. My course ended and his didn't, so I'm only in e-mail contact now. I hate not being a student anymore!
I've always loved ancient European myth, so I'm looking forward to reading that one. One assumes they fit in rather well with the Tuatha de Dannan. I hope they do Cernunnos, he's my favorite.
@GriffinPilgrim More than likely. Also they have upgraded the Fates into an antagonistic group called the Matrons. They now kind of remind me of the Three from The Sandman comics.
@Haruhello Sandman too, huh? You are getting cooler by the minute. The whole three-women-of-fate thing crops up a lot. The Moirae, the Norns, so it's a good archetype for White Wolf to use.
@GriffinPilgrim It's a good and simple archetype that is as timeless as a whole mess of other things. Yeah I really am hoping for more stuff from them soon, Scion is like a friggin Vegas buffet though and White Wolf if they are willing and can get the writers should definitely make more for the line.
@Haruhello Vegas buffet, love it! I'd like to see them tackle some of the odder mythologies, the ones that don't gods as such. The Native American mythos, Raven and Coyote, and maybe Sub-Sharan Africa, with Ananasi and so forth.
@Haruhello Thank you, I thought so too. Mechanical enough for the Alchemicals, discordant enough for the Fair Folk and "Great Divide" since they're outside Creation. I do like the Raksha, I'm a big fan of the Fae in many different settings.
@GriffinPilgrim Same, I enjoy the chance to play a Fae/Changeling/Raksha character when I can. They can make some of the most interesting and compelling characters when done right.
@GriffinPilgrim I absolutely adore Dreaming and I really wish it had gotten a better farewell than what it did but I do love Lost even if it really is a different beast entirely.
@Haruhello Well that's true. And the Second Coming Houses. Both sadly underwritten characters, but with great potential. Plus it launched Hunter: The Reckoning, which I always kinda liked. You know at one point they were gonna linked the Hunters with the Exalted?
@GriffinPilgrim If I remember correctly it was the whole old world, mainly Hunter and Kindred of the East, that were supposed to at one point have been linked with each other.
@Haruhello Yeah, it was. If I'm rememering correctly the Hunters were very depowered Solars, the Kuei-Jin were descended from the Dragon-Blooded, the Vampires from the Abyssals and the Werewolves and fera from the Lunars. But it didn't really work and kinda cheapened both lines, so they dropped it.
@GriffinPilgrim It could have worked had it been done right but it really ended up becoming a big garbled mess since neither metaplot blended with the other. It would have been interesting for the Changelings to find out that they were once Raksha and have those memories surge to the surface.
@Haruhello Ouch, can you imagine? Sorry King David, I know you're basicly the most compassionate creature in this crapsack world, but you used to be a rapacious monster that wanted to eat the universe...
The problem would have been the groups that already had origins. The Werewolves would have been awkward but doable, in either case their champions. But the vampires had all that backstory for Caine and so on. Would have been a shame to just dump it all.
@GriffinPilgrim To have had Caine also figure into it some how would require some major rewrites that they could never have done without pissing off the entire fanbase. Mages though could work as the shards of what is left of the Sidereals.
@Haruhello Which would kinda work. But Vampire is the sticking point, with Caine and God. At least that tied into Demon: The Fallen. Actually a more cerdible explanation with OWoD and Exalted 2nd edition would have the Mages acheive Ascension and become the Primordials. Bit of a bummer for mage players though.
The thought of Gaia and the Ebon Dragon as former mages is actually quite funny now that I think about it. It actually wouldn't be hard though to envision demons as slightly powered down infernal exaltations that retained their memories (If some what garbled) but Vampire was the big focal point of the OWoD so it would be hard to work around it....unless Caine was just a botched version of an abyssal and vamps were just watered down shards from that broken exaltation. It would be a hellish retcon
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Kinda works, now that I consider it. Gaia could be a Dreamspeaker or a Verbena, the Ebon Dragon a Nephandi, Autochthon from Iteration X or the Sons Of Ether...
All in all though I think they work best as seperate universes. The focus is different anyway, with most ofExalted being huge, OTT action and most of OWoD being grubby, street level stuff. Btw did you ever take a look at Abberant?
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim You know I've always wanted to but never really got the chance to take a peak into the Abberant line. I remember touching upon Adventure once but my group and I never really went anywhere with it. It was kind of disappointing. I did get really big into Scion though.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Abberant was fun, if absurdly over-powered. The highest level power I saw was called Universe Creation, description: Yes, really. Granted you'd have to play for years to get that high Quantum, but still...
I freaking love Scion, very annoying to me that it's such a limited line. Even got to indulge my love of the Fae once Companion introduced the Tuatha de Dannan. I GM'd a campaign taking my players from Heroes to Gods facing down Titans. It was epic.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim Awesome! I'm currently getting together a group for Scion and we plan and doing the same thing and including a blast to the past of sorts. I made a scion that is a Son of Brigid that had went from Underground Rocker to Warrior Poet after an incident involving a Lanan Sidhe killing his mortal family.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Nice! I had a Scion of Balder who was a con-woman in my group. The amount of times she got them out of trouble...and the amount of times the Scion of Thor got them right back in...
Also one of my players worked out a thing with me to be a Scion of the Grim Reaper, who we decided was an ascended Scion of Baron Samedi. He was fun.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim That sounds friggin awesome. I remember mentioning jokingly amongst my friends that we would have to do a Pantheon based on modern day America after someone said something about a god of Hollywood looking like a drugged out Starlet mixed with a many armed goddess. Funny enough I started working on that not to long ago.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Cool! You could use the Yankee pantheon from Companion as a starting point. The same guy who made a Grim Reaper Scion also came up with a whole pahtheon, the Brethren of the sail, based on pirate mythology. That's what's so great about Scion, the huge potential for customisation.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim I know right, I really wish there was more stuff for it. Fanon has made some pretty wild stuff for it though. Speaking of which they are supposedly releasing a hard back that contain the Yazatas and the Nemetondevos (The Gaulish Pantheon from the french only release). To me that just sounds like pure awesome right there since they mention something about a Triple Goddess as the Avatar of Fate going around punishing those who abuse their ties with fate.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Excellent! Was hoping we'd get an English version of the Gauls. My French, not so good. Now my Spanish...still pretty shit...
The whole Fate thing is great to play with. A friend of mine was GMing a campaign and asked me for advice. We worked out this story, a little girl who was a tangle in Fate that was causing disaters by accident. The way to save her and sort the problem was for one of the characters to die in her place. Launching the 2nd part, rescuing him from the Underworld.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim My French is rusty and my Spanish is about the same as yours so an English translation is very much welcome. I was looking forward to this one for awhile now, I love Gallic Myth. So how did the second part go for rescuing him from the Underworld.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Pretty well, though sadly I don't know as much details on that part. I was in my third year at university, he was in his second. My course ended and his didn't, so I'm only in e-mail contact now. I hate not being a student anymore!
I've always loved ancient European myth, so I'm looking forward to reading that one. One assumes they fit in rather well with the Tuatha de Dannan. I hope they do Cernunnos, he's my favorite.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim Cernunnos is in it and the Pantheon is bitter enemies with the Dodekatheon.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Well, that figures. Caeser's fault, presumably.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim More than likely. Also they have upgraded the Fates into an antagonistic group called the Matrons. They now kind of remind me of the Three from The Sandman comics.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Sandman too, huh? You are getting cooler by the minute. The whole three-women-of-fate thing crops up a lot. The Moirae, the Norns, so it's a good archetype for White Wolf to use.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim It's a good and simple archetype that is as timeless as a whole mess of other things. Yeah I really am hoping for more stuff from them soon, Scion is like a friggin Vegas buffet though and White Wolf if they are willing and can get the writers should definitely make more for the line.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Vegas buffet, love it! I'd like to see them tackle some of the odder mythologies, the ones that don't gods as such. The Native American mythos, Raven and Coyote, and maybe Sub-Sharan Africa, with Ananasi and so forth.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
oh How I do love the Raksha. Interesting choice of song for the two, not a big fan of Linkin Park but it fit quite Nicely.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Thank you, I thought so too. Mechanical enough for the Alchemicals, discordant enough for the Fair Folk and "Great Divide" since they're outside Creation. I do like the Raksha, I'm a big fan of the Fae in many different settings.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim Same, I enjoy the chance to play a Fae/Changeling/Raksha character when I can. They can make some of the most interesting and compelling characters when done right.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello I miss Changeling: The Dreaming. Changeling: The Lost is OK, but it's not as good.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim I absolutely adore Dreaming and I really wish it had gotten a better farewell than what it did but I do love Lost even if it really is a different beast entirely.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello At least it got a send off. Poor Wraith petered out long before the other lines ended.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim Yeah that really was upsetting. It did technically get picked backup with Orpheus but even then that was a pale comparison.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Bloody Technocracy and their spirit nuke!
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim It was the biggest slap to the Face for Wraith Fans but it did give us the Adhene for Changeling.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Well that's true. And the Second Coming Houses. Both sadly underwritten characters, but with great potential. Plus it launched Hunter: The Reckoning, which I always kinda liked. You know at one point they were gonna linked the Hunters with the Exalted?
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim If I remember correctly it was the whole old world, mainly Hunter and Kindred of the East, that were supposed to at one point have been linked with each other.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Yeah, it was. If I'm rememering correctly the Hunters were very depowered Solars, the Kuei-Jin were descended from the Dragon-Blooded, the Vampires from the Abyssals and the Werewolves and fera from the Lunars. But it didn't really work and kinda cheapened both lines, so they dropped it.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim It could have worked had it been done right but it really ended up becoming a big garbled mess since neither metaplot blended with the other. It would have been interesting for the Changelings to find out that they were once Raksha and have those memories surge to the surface.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Ouch, can you imagine? Sorry King David, I know you're basicly the most compassionate creature in this crapsack world, but you used to be a rapacious monster that wanted to eat the universe...
The problem would have been the groups that already had origins. The Werewolves would have been awkward but doable, in either case their champions. But the vampires had all that backstory for Caine and so on. Would have been a shame to just dump it all.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago
@GriffinPilgrim To have had Caine also figure into it some how would require some major rewrites that they could never have done without pissing off the entire fanbase. Mages though could work as the shards of what is left of the Sidereals.
Haruhello 1 year ago
@Haruhello Which would kinda work. But Vampire is the sticking point, with Caine and God. At least that tied into Demon: The Fallen. Actually a more cerdible explanation with OWoD and Exalted 2nd edition would have the Mages acheive Ascension and become the Primordials. Bit of a bummer for mage players though.
GriffinPilgrim 1 year ago