Scientific and Historical Analysis of Bible and Quran 1 of 6

[alexythimia7]

This answered a lot of my questions i had about Christianity, i would be curious to see his take on Protestant faith, i thought that was the purest restorations of the bible, but by his analysis it looks like the Romans had such a huge impact on the early versions that it may be impossible to restore back to what it was.

[shaunadams]

Sorry, for the late reply. Unfortunately, you are mistaken about the meaning of sadaqallahu.... It actually means "Allah The Almighty speaks the truth". Think the word for "truthful" is As-Sadiq. Pls recheck. It would be better if we could speak on skype etc as the youtube format is limited and time consuming. If you agree then let me know. BTW I am no scholar nor am I Arabic speaker. Search all you want but you will never find any examples of any scholars saying "sadaq..." after a dua.

[shaunadams]

I am so glad that you are engaging in this conversation instead of disregarding it as trivial. Thank you. What Yusuf recites is a dua, yes that dua is part of Quran and he can say "sadaqallahulazeem" after reciting part of Quran but since he is reciting a dua it is wrong. This is why at least basic knowledge of Arabic is compulsory upon every Muslim makes sense. Pls check translation of what he says. You will know the absurdity. Or else check with a scholar giving him full details. Wassalaam

[naliakbar]

as a muslim it is important to seek knowledge so no doubt.

so i did a quick search on what this means, just like Yusuf, i dont know arabic, so for arabic speakers alhamdu lillah foryou, but we have our deficiencies, we are muslims because we accept the prophet(saw)'s message not because we speak arabic.

none the less i searched what this means it is sadaq allah ul azeem - Allah is the truthful the mighty.

so i ask is it bad to start a lecture with that being a standard put forth?

[naliakbar]

now that i know the meaning of this to me it is perfect to start a lecture, because you acknoledge taht Allah has all knowledge (which really means that you are speaking from barely a drop of knowledge in the vast sea that allah has) and that Allah is Mighty (that the limited knowledge we have can be changed by the will of Allah)

what is your opinion as to what makes it wrong to start a lecture with knowing what your standard is.

[shaunadams]

yusuf prays rabbishrahli amri... and then he says sadaqallahulazeem?! how ignorant of him. why doesn't some one tell him this is wrong?

[naliakbar]

he is not a scholar in islam as you are, he is a scholar in comparitave religion. and the reason he ends with "sadaqallahulazeem" is because we are taught that when you complete reading the quran you say that, and being that the dua comes form the quran he feels justified in ending as such because to him it is the kalam of allah which he speaks. ofcourse i cannot speak for him but i can see myself doing the same and that would be why.

[shaunadams]

There is a huge misconception among the people who call themselves "muslims" that Islam is whatever we are taught by our parents, elders or teachers. This is in fact one of the root causes of the ills that we see among "muslims". The fact of the matter is that Islam is what Quran & saheeh Hadeeth teaches as understood & applied by the Sahaba, Tabaeen & Taba Tabeen. Period. The rest is all mambo jumbo (Khutuwat as shaitan) and will certainly lead us astray from the straight path. Cntd to P2

[shaunadams]

Cntd frm P1. As you say that Yusuf Ismael is not a scholar. Correct. However, since he has a podium he now has an enormous responsibility to watch his actions whether they conform to Islam or not. Otherwise he will end up doing Islam a disservice. Right? He or anyone in his situation must check with a bona fide righteous Islamic scholar and must refrain from doing/saying what he knows not to be correct. This would be the right and correct thing to do. Jazaakallahu khairan for all your efforts.

[naliakbar]

Is it wrong to say what he said after recitation of the quran?

is it not true that what he recited came from the quran?

i dont mean to sound offensive or defensive, i am seriously asking, because one thing that we are taugth from authentic hadith is that a time will come when people will tell you things about islam that you nor your fathers ever heard of, therefore what is the evidence that this is wrong?

[guitarbop]

My 3 wishes (in the hocus pocus stories you always get 3)

1)The elimination of greed

2)The elimination of ignorance (this would figure significantly in my third wish)

3)The elimination of IDIOTIC SUPERSTITION!!!

[profit1]

wait a minute are you saying god came out of a vagina, had wet dreams went to have a crap and piss,???? why uis God a white jew are you saying God is jewish im dead ahahahahahah first the characteristics of humans now a ethnicity for God im in tears HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

[easyonetwothree]

Second of all, old scriptures (1000 years older then Quran) tell us that the Kaba is Abrahams prayer house!

[MBI3030]

no they do not. do not assume what you have never read. No where in the Bible says that. maybe in your islamic scriptures and writings but that would be circular now wouldn't it!

[MBI3030]

what is interesting to me, when I hear muslims say that the Christian practices come from paganism but fail to mention the Islamic practices come from paganism as well. The pilgrimage to mecca comes from pagan cults, the running arount the Kaba 7 times also from pagan cults, the throwing of the stone to reinact an event (guess what pagan practice as well) the evil eye (praganism) what else...

[faki49]

Those are rituals we don't worship them. And we even say that these cannot do anything to us if Allah doesnot will for us something. But you guys worship a man-God concept which is a pagan concept. Making humans into God. So whose the pagan...

[MBI3030]

We do not worship a man that became God. If that is what you think, I am sorry but you do not understand what Christians belief. That is blasphemy.

Do you doubt the power of the ALMIGHTY GOD that can do anything. Doesn't He have the priority to do anything. So what is the problem with God (the Son not the Father) to become a man and live with us. In fact, He has in Jesus Christ. God is much BIGGER in the Christian concept than Islam's allah.

[easyonetwothree]

Is it BIG to come down to this little inie minie microscopic earth for a God? Is that what you call a BIG God? Our God is BEYOND such blasphemious claims! Even Jews call you blasphemers for thinking god can come down to earth as a man, THINK THINK THINK!!

[MBI3030]

I sunmit my mind to Scripture. The Jew also reject Allah. But I do not need to interpet the Old Testament from a Jewush standpoint. Why? Becuase it all pointed to Jesus Christ. He is the fulfillment and in him is the New Covenant.

[easyonetwothree]

Kaba in HISTORICAL RECORDS build by Abraham;

w w w .cyberistan. o r g/islamic/parsi1.html

[MBI3030]

only records muslims have are islamic in nature. there are no historical Biblical erecords to show that... Sorry but Islam has lied to you...

[easyonetwothree]

WHAT?? The link i gave you was from UN-islamic sources you jackal!!! PArsi Scriptures, not Islamic, not Biblical! And by the way, WHO THE HECK cares if there is biblical proof????? As if the bible is accurate in things. LMAO visit w w w . 1001errors . c o m

[mustafagtgt]

The records of Islam are not only from muslims they are from the community of that time as a whole. Unlike the multiple forged and inconsistent manuscripts of the Bible, the Quran has proven to be intact WORD FOR WORD We have a date of origin and we have multiple sources proving the perfect preservation of the Quran.

[MBI3030]

becuase lets just fporget the Uthman revision. and his burning of the qurans. what great access that would have been if he never did but we can only go back to him in the pages of history. the earlist quran contains no varients marks.

[faki49]

God is not foolish. God wont come as a human or an animal or as a plant to prove himself. God is above foolishness and ignominy of human beings. Human beings, defecate and piss. Human beings have sexual desires and pass wind. Human beings have dirty thoughts and feel pain and cant control their emotions. Throughout history man-Gods have been present. The christian concept is simply an extension of one of these pagan concepts.

[profit1]

bro you can take over the show alhamdullah lol

[MBI3030]

that sounds pious but no truth in this statement just assumpation. The Christian concept is quite different but you would not know that. Allah was one of the pagan idols in the kaba but no muslims will agree with that. Why the inconsistent standard.

You are right about the sinnfulness of humans. you and

I are sinnful and deserve Divine punishment. But Jesus was SINNLESS....

[faki49]

Okay then lets finish it here. You bring that Idol you claim Muslim beleive as Allah and I will smash it and kick it right infront of me. Will that be sufficient proof for your ignorant mind that we dont worship any Idol???

[faki49]

Right infront of you to be precise!!! You can bring a hammer along..

[MBI3030]

yup it is called the CROSS...

[easyonetwothree]

Cross = Crursed acording to the Jews! This is why Allah didnt let Jesus to be crucified (Crossed) he saved him, THIS God of ours if merciful and saves his prophets, unlike your! LOL, lets his own son die and get humilliated and beaten by the Jews, and throws him in Hell, etc.. AND THIS IS MERCY?? And THIS IS GOD???? SHame on YOU!

[MBI3030]

lets put the puzzle together. Why would God deceive the very companions of Jesus. Becuase it was them that spread the message of the crucifixion and resurrection. Doesn't the Quran state that the followers of Jesus will be virtorous?

[easyonetwothree]

So you are admitting that the crucifiction and ressurection is a hoax? Thanks :)! No i dont believe the diciples spread that crap, i believe it was invented after Jesus death by the higher authority, paul, etc!

[mustafagtgt]

God did not deceive the compamions, they merely passed on a message. You are not aware of the tribulations that arose after Jesus' message. much things took place.

[MBI3030]

YUP. His name is Allah... Have fun kicking him...

[easyonetwothree]

Allah Is in your Arabic Bibles you Jackal, your Arabic brothers call upon God with this name, In the Hebrew Bible its Aalaaha / Eloh / elaha.... Are you blaspheming against God? Indeed!

[MBI3030]

but the Arabic Bible refutes Islam and mohammad's claims. The term of God in Arabic is not a problem. In Arabic, yes Allah means God but that does not mean it is the same God. Jesus is God and Lord (Son of God) in the Arabic bible. Allah in the Arabic Bible is not the same God: Allah of Mohammad

[mustafagtgt]

You accuse us of circular reasoning but when you declare Jesus to be God what evidence do you have besides the Bible? Even if the Arabian tribes worshiped Allah that would only strengthen the Muslim position since we believe that at a given time, the community of Arabia started associating partners unto Allah....which explains the 360 idols in the Kaba.

[MBI3030]

this is simple. If I want to know about someone, I go to where they are revealed. I have no need to go to the Bible for Mohammad, I go to Islamic sources (hadiths) which are a joke in themselves becuase they all contradict the Qurran but I go to the Quran. The Bible is where we find out who Jesus is not the Quran. WHY? becase it came over 600 years later after the fact, in a different land, different language all the prophets of Scripture have been Jewish...

[mustafagtgt]

Actually the Bible itself has MAJOR contradictions and inconsistencies. The earliest known manuscript that has remained intact dates back to 400 YEARS AFTER the departure of Jesus. LISTEN to the Speaker you fool

In fact have you ever studied Textual criticism and how that applies to the Bible? My gosh, you will be surprised as to HOW ABSERD the Christian claim is that the Bible is divine!

As a historical source the Bible is good to amke fun of

[easyonetwothree]

WOW, so because the bible was before Quran, the Quran is wrong? LOL, what about the jews? They came before you as you believe... then they have higher authority right? this is your logic man not mine, then you should absolutely NOT worship 3 Gods, only ONE as the jews and Mualims

[easyonetwothree]

The bible doesnt refute anything, if we put together the Jewsish scriptures and Quran, they would refute the NT BIG TIME because you have fallen into Idolatry worshiping a Man, as the OT says i say the same: "To WHAT will ye liken God?" = God is like NOTHING, not a human, animal, object, NOR JESUS

[MBI3030]

Jeszus is SINNLESS and did not take our corrupted sinnful nature. So what is the problem with God taking on the form of a man. Does He not have the power? Jesus did not become God but God came in the form of man and that man is Jesus Christ. Paganism throughout history is vastly different thanthe Christian concept.

[easyonetwothree]

Is Jesus was sinless.. WHY DID HE GET BAPTIZED by John the Bap...?? Lmao you get baptized to clean ur self from sin!

Maybe it was to clean himself from murdering when he was young (Acording to your sources not us Muslims)?

[MBI3030]

as an example of righteousness. "To fulfill all righteousness"

read the context of the verse plz!

[mustafagtgt]

Jesus actually took on ALL the sins of man so that makes him the most sinful human on earth. According to your own beliefs Jesus was curst as he was hanged on the tree and therefore rotted in hell. Your God committed much vise and Satan put YOUR God to rot in hell. Dont you see how Satan is deceiving you? The whole idea of God dying and sacrificing himself is so absurd and bizzare. It all paints a picture of helplessness and vulnerability that in actuality mocks Gods power and status!

[MBI3030]

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.

Mohammad was decieved by a false angel

[easyonetwothree]

Matthew 24

23 At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it.

24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible.

Look what Paul said :

Acts 9

3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

[faki49]

''Do you doubt the power of the ALMIGHTY GOD that can do anything. Doesn't He have the priority to do anything.'' What an Absurd statement!!! You require an equally absurd answer.. Do you doubt if God can transform himself into an ant which is supposed to be crushed by people and cease existing???

God is above such statements!! All praise to Him. He does only Godly things.

[MBI3030]

the absurdity is that you can make a statment that is absurb and than compare God to an ant. Come on join the theological conversation and stop begging the question.

By your standard, you serve a god you can figure out. Such pride...

[faki49]

If you find that absurd. We find it equally absurd for him to become a man. ITs the same thing.

[easyonetwothree]

Do you know what i just read in your first comment, it was "Refferece?..Refferece?..Reffe­rece?..Refferece?..Refferece?.­.Refferece?..Refferece?..Reffe­rece?..Refferece?..Refferece?.­." This is your comment! Produce your proof if you are truthful you jackal!

[muslim9x9x]

The Hajj was established by Abraham, not the pagans.

IT was pagans who corrupted the Hajj and used to strip NAKED while circulating the Kaaba. Yet, the Prophet Muhammad restored the Hajj (circulation) back to its Abrahamic origin, without any nudity. This time to the ONE GOD, after he destroyed the 360 idols!

Also, the Black Stone was given to mark the starting point of each circulation (7 times) long before the pagans existed! Islamic tradition says Abram was temted by the devil there.

[MBI3030]

There ARE NO HISTORICAL reords to prove that. But we have the pagan sources to prove my point.

[mustafagtgt]

No the sources you are referring to (Robert Morey) do not prove your case at all. In fact when actually observing the archeological evidence it only reveals how desperate the Christian missionaries are in deceiving and tampering with the truth.

[MBI3030]

I am not referring to morrey... I can care less about his books. What edvidence you have.SHOW ME!

[easyonetwothree]

We have my son,we have records of Abraham building the Kaba! have you heard of the "Old house of Abraham" before? Let me give you a link:

w w w .cyberistan. o r g/islamic/parsi1.html

[profit1]

bro i just found out your muslim sorry bro my mistake astugfurllah i hope you can forgive me bro.

[easyonetwothree]

LoL Akhi, its ok! Its like in the battle field, sometimes you kill your own, but u think you killed the enemie! lool Ma'Salaam

[profit1]

LOL SO TRUE jazakala khair bro

[profit1]

LOL Akhi i just saw your channel thanks for them bullets you gave me alot of ammo against the Mithra followers!

[MBI3030]

I am a former one...

[easyonetwothree]

But a present Joke

[MBI3030]

and then you point to an islamic source to prove islam., such circular reasoning.

[easyonetwothree]

LOL, what did you expect the Parsis to admitt that this is pointing to Muhammed(Saw)???? LOL! This is obvious and the parsis know this but they ignore it! and many have reverted bcs of this!

[easyonetwothree]

We have my son,we have records of Abraham building the Kaba! have you heard of the "Old house of Abraham" before? Let me give you a link:

w w w .cyberistan. o r g/islamic/parsi1.html

[MBI3030]

trust me, I have turned the other cheek. Muslims leaving me nasty comments and cursing at me. Do I curse back... NO

[easyonetwothree]

LoL. I do not see any curses here my friend, why are you lying?

we have records of Abraham building the Kaba! have you heard of the "Old house of Abraham" before? Let me give you a link:

w w w .cyberistan. o r g/islamic/parsi1.html

[muslim9x9x]

The Quran is the foremost earliest witness and Historical document that Abraham visited Mecca and established the Hajj, he prophesied that millions of people would travel in the Future! And just because there's no evidence to prove Abraham went to Mecca doesn't mean it never happened! Where is the proof that Peter went to Rome? Absolutely none! Yet the Catholics still believe Peter went to Rome and established the Church. The same applies to Abraham in Mecca, here is the evidence .

[profit1]

one wor for you mithra

[MBI3030]

one word for you allah is one the the pagan gods in the kaba

[profit1]

lolol isnt this the part where you supposed to love your enemy, turn the other cheek LOLLOLLOL WHY DONT U FOLLOW YOUR TEACHINGS, Who follows them today lollolol

[easyonetwothree]

People used to say Allah before Islam, a famous Jewish Rabbi's name was AbdAllah in Madina, Muhammeds father also Abdullah, the so called pagan god this fool is talking about is "ala" LOL hahahahah

[profit1]

what is the aramaic name for god, and why is it that christian living in the midle east and jews living in the middle east say allah and the father of the prophet pbhu was abduallah correct what does it mean i guess u dont know arabic it means the servant of god in english.the pagans did belive in 1 god allah but they used intercessions such as making statues to get through to that one god kinda like you christian needing jesus to die for your sins a innocent man who was scared and prayed.MITHRA

[mustafagtgt]

He was not a pagan God

[easyonetwothree]

It is not, stop lying i have a book about this, a respons by Shabir Ally!

You think we are idiots dont you`?

[MBI3030]

so what do you do with the many inaccurate parts.