In all this talk about education, for this whole movie, and in reviews of it, you seldom read about INTELLIGENCE.
Is intelligence one of those outdated concepts? Could it be that the average kid in the poor neighbourhoods just isn't that bright? It's not their fault, but most of them maybe just have difficulty with the work and get frustrated because it's not the kind of stuff their minds are good at doing. For some it's impossible. Intelligence & good test scores might be correlated! Eureka
@Floodlezoot The Harlem Success Academy is located in the worst district in NYC with some of the city's poorest and most disadvantaged children. Its students have amazingly high rates of going onto college and perform in the top of the NYC school system on standardized tests. HSA lacks one important thing, a union.
To say poor people are stupid because they were born into poor families is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
@buckeyemike81 I've heard that HSA carefully chooses its students. Mr. Canada kicked a whole class out when he saw their test scores, famously, and they don't take on kids with any kind of learning disability. They don't take the most disadvantaged. They take, or at least retain, the smart kids from the ghetto while making it look like an egalitarian lottery.
A lot of poor people are stupid. It sounds rough, but I didn't design the system. there are smart poor people too.
@Floodlezoot HSA uses a lottery to accept its students, and they have a higher than average percentage of special education students. You're either an idiot or you're being purposely dishonest.
@buckeyemike81 Ok buckeyemike, charter schools and for profit education will save the world and test scores will all go up drastically. America will be saved. Just keep doing what you're doing then. Can't wait to read the news about inner city kids' test scores jumping up to those of Finland and Korea and for our society to become truly egalitarian. Should be any day now.
@Floodlezoot If you wanted to fix education it would be simple. Ban teachers unions (even FDR was against public sector unions), and give parents a voucher they could use for any school (public, private, or charter) and have the schools compete to stay open. The best schools will get tons of money and the bad schools will be shut down.
@buckeyemike81 don't 50 percent of American teachers leave the profession within 5 years, even with the union perks?
what would the attrition rate for public school teachers be once they start getting screwed over because of added pressure to get results, added pressure to compete and report on "bad teachers", and their benefits and pay getting stripped away because of "tough economic times" once they can't band together?
@Floodlezoot In every other profession the best people get paid the most. This system directs the best people into the profession that their skills and education are most suited for. If you refuse to pay based on merit the best teachers will quit and the bad teachers will stay.
Clearly some teachers are better than others yes? If so, why wouldn't you want the teachers that perform better to get paid better?
@Floodlezoot In every other profession the best people get paid the most. This system directs the best people into the profession that their skills and education are most suited for. If you refuse to pay based on merit the best teachers will quit and the bad teachers will stay.
Clearly some teachers are better than others yes? If so, why wouldn't you want the teachers that perform better to get paid better?
Rhee lied about her own record as a teacher. She taught with a for profit school. She by her own admission abused kids her first year in a way that she'd probably try to fire someone for after she became an exec. All she was ever doing was lying about human intelligence and causing teachers to mark wrong answers right to make her nonsense program look good.
I taught several years, worked in daycamps too. There were a lot of discipline issues. It's not a teacher's fault if kids act out, imho.
Rhee always just wanted some big basketball player cock inside of her. Her fraudulent liberal social marxist horseshit career was, for her anyway, a magnificent success.
For those of you who don't know, she resigned in disgrace.
@Floodlezoot 1. Rhee isn't liberal...at all 2. Rhee was fired when the DC mayor lost. 3. The DC schools are currently doing as terrible as ever in her absence.
@buckeyemike81 they were doing bad when she was there, except she was ruining some people's lives to make a political point, and trying to break a union. Unions aren't the problem. Greedy execs are; people like her who do speaking engagements. Also, her system was like Soviet communism seriously. She had unrealistic goals based on urealistic measures, so teachers just fudged their results to make the commisar's quotas look good. Human intelligence is real too. Deal with it.
@Floodlezoot Greedy execs have nothing to do with the Washington DC school system. Her system was based on merit pay, which is the opposite of soviet communism... perhaps you don't understand what communism is, it's a very bizarre statement. Michelle Rhee offered to pay teachers $120,000/year if they'd give up tenure, so the best teachers could be rewarded. The union refused to let the teachers vote on it.
The teachers unions exist for the benefit of the adults at the expense of the children.
@buckeyemike81 communism had merit pay too for God's sake!!! That's why commisars fudged the goddamn results. For their own personal bonuses. Maybe you don't know how real communism works as it has in history. Maybe you just know the dictionary definition of it.
In North Korea, they still lie about how much factories produce to get benefits from the government. Anyway, the merit pay would lead to that same faking of results and cause teachers to compete/betray each other.
@buckeyemike81 wrong. wrong. just wrong. they lied to get rewards from the government for exceeding quotas. You are talking about some kind of cartoon world communism.
Also, there was a major cheating scandal. it's no5easy at all to catch teachers cheating, you queer. They just reviewed some tests and found that someone put as the definition of "benign": a number that is nine. This was marked as correct. That's a fact. Teachers now feel pressured to give inflated marks.
@Floodlezoot In the book Freakonomics (or possibly the sequel SuperFreakonomics) they showed 4 ways to easily spot cheating teachers. You should read the book before showing your ignorance.
@Floodlezoot Imagine if a manager said you need more sales, and your response was, our customers are the fault they're too stupid. This is as idiotic as blaming kinds for failing schools.
If you want to equate teachers and children, then perhaps we should fire the childish teachers.
believe me that if you act up at these top charter schools, you get dropped...let's see these charter schools do that well when they have to accept every kid that applies, and then have to keep those kids...
Wow...not one kid cussing a teacher out; no gang activity; no teen pregnancies; everyone coming to school on time, everyday, with supplies and ready to learn; parents involved in the education process; no kids needing ADHD medication; there are no issues with illegal drugs in these schools; computers in every classroom; I did not see any kids with their pants hanging off their ass; kids are neat and groomed and respectful of their teachers.
....this film FAILS to address any of these issues.
It is not about the lazy teachers! It is about the LAZY STUDENTS and their IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS!
Private school teachers get paid less and have less education than public school teachers.
But, the STUDENTS in private school are tested prior to registration and only the ones with high IQs are accepted into the school. Furthermore, they do not accept students with behavor problems, learning disabilities, or limited English skills. They also EXPEL problem students.
@MsJanetWood The assumptions here, they are astounding.
I actually attended private school. It was a Christian school, founded by homeschoolers originally. I spent my entire high school there without having a single test- beyond one conducted to determine my "faith" and which grade level I should be placed in. The school didn't have a history of expelling problem students, and didn't bother to expel the one student caught with marijuana.
The education I received from it was also useless, mind.
Eliminating tenure is definitely the first step in correcting U.S. education. Without that, the U.S. will continue to be dragged along by the good teachers and weighed down by the bad. You could get fired from any job whether it's fast food, journalist, banker, contruction worker, whatever. There is no reason why teachers should have this immunity to losing their job. The education will not improve without a solution to this issue.
In all this talk about education, for this whole movie, and in reviews of it, you seldom read about INTELLIGENCE.
Is intelligence one of those outdated concepts? Could it be that the average kid in the poor neighbourhoods just isn't that bright? It's not their fault, but most of them maybe just have difficulty with the work and get frustrated because it's not the kind of stuff their minds are good at doing. For some it's impossible. Intelligence & good test scores might be correlated! Eureka
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot The Harlem Success Academy is located in the worst district in NYC with some of the city's poorest and most disadvantaged children. Its students have amazingly high rates of going onto college and perform in the top of the NYC school system on standardized tests. HSA lacks one important thing, a union.
To say poor people are stupid because they were born into poor families is just about the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
@buckeyemike81 I've heard that HSA carefully chooses its students. Mr. Canada kicked a whole class out when he saw their test scores, famously, and they don't take on kids with any kind of learning disability. They don't take the most disadvantaged. They take, or at least retain, the smart kids from the ghetto while making it look like an egalitarian lottery.
A lot of poor people are stupid. It sounds rough, but I didn't design the system. there are smart poor people too.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot HSA uses a lottery to accept its students, and they have a higher than average percentage of special education students. You're either an idiot or you're being purposely dishonest.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
@buckeyemike81 Ok buckeyemike, charter schools and for profit education will save the world and test scores will all go up drastically. America will be saved. Just keep doing what you're doing then. Can't wait to read the news about inner city kids' test scores jumping up to those of Finland and Korea and for our society to become truly egalitarian. Should be any day now.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot If you wanted to fix education it would be simple. Ban teachers unions (even FDR was against public sector unions), and give parents a voucher they could use for any school (public, private, or charter) and have the schools compete to stay open. The best schools will get tons of money and the bad schools will be shut down.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
@buckeyemike81 don't 50 percent of American teachers leave the profession within 5 years, even with the union perks?
what would the attrition rate for public school teachers be once they start getting screwed over because of added pressure to get results, added pressure to compete and report on "bad teachers", and their benefits and pay getting stripped away because of "tough economic times" once they can't band together?
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot In every other profession the best people get paid the most. This system directs the best people into the profession that their skills and education are most suited for. If you refuse to pay based on merit the best teachers will quit and the bad teachers will stay.
Clearly some teachers are better than others yes? If so, why wouldn't you want the teachers that perform better to get paid better?
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
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@Floodlezoot In every other profession the best people get paid the most. This system directs the best people into the profession that their skills and education are most suited for. If you refuse to pay based on merit the best teachers will quit and the bad teachers will stay.
Clearly some teachers are better than others yes? If so, why wouldn't you want the teachers that perform better to get paid better?
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
Rhee lied about her own record as a teacher. She taught with a for profit school. She by her own admission abused kids her first year in a way that she'd probably try to fire someone for after she became an exec. All she was ever doing was lying about human intelligence and causing teachers to mark wrong answers right to make her nonsense program look good.
I taught several years, worked in daycamps too. There were a lot of discipline issues. It's not a teacher's fault if kids act out, imho.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
sound barrier = science
bell curve = science
It makes me sad too. My sadness does not change science. Science is impartial to my shrieks for mercy.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
Rhee always just wanted some big basketball player cock inside of her. Her fraudulent liberal social marxist horseshit career was, for her anyway, a magnificent success.
For those of you who don't know, she resigned in disgrace.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot 1. Rhee isn't liberal...at all 2. Rhee was fired when the DC mayor lost. 3. The DC schools are currently doing as terrible as ever in her absence.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
@buckeyemike81 they were doing bad when she was there, except she was ruining some people's lives to make a political point, and trying to break a union. Unions aren't the problem. Greedy execs are; people like her who do speaking engagements. Also, her system was like Soviet communism seriously. She had unrealistic goals based on urealistic measures, so teachers just fudged their results to make the commisar's quotas look good. Human intelligence is real too. Deal with it.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot Greedy execs have nothing to do with the Washington DC school system. Her system was based on merit pay, which is the opposite of soviet communism... perhaps you don't understand what communism is, it's a very bizarre statement. Michelle Rhee offered to pay teachers $120,000/year if they'd give up tenure, so the best teachers could be rewarded. The union refused to let the teachers vote on it.
The teachers unions exist for the benefit of the adults at the expense of the children.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
@buckeyemike81 communism had merit pay too for God's sake!!! That's why commisars fudged the goddamn results. For their own personal bonuses. Maybe you don't know how real communism works as it has in history. Maybe you just know the dictionary definition of it.
In North Korea, they still lie about how much factories produce to get benefits from the government. Anyway, the merit pay would lead to that same faking of results and cause teachers to compete/betray each other.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot They fudged the results so they weren't sent to gulags, you're an idiot.
The book freakonomics showed how easy it is to catch cheating teachers. If they cheat, then fire them like any other profession.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
@buckeyemike81 wrong. wrong. just wrong. they lied to get rewards from the government for exceeding quotas. You are talking about some kind of cartoon world communism.
Also, there was a major cheating scandal. it's no5easy at all to catch teachers cheating, you queer. They just reviewed some tests and found that someone put as the definition of "benign": a number that is nine. This was marked as correct. That's a fact. Teachers now feel pressured to give inflated marks.
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot In the book Freakonomics (or possibly the sequel SuperFreakonomics) they showed 4 ways to easily spot cheating teachers. You should read the book before showing your ignorance.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
If you want to fire bad teachers then can we fire bad students too?
Floodlezoot 1 month ago
@Floodlezoot Imagine if a manager said you need more sales, and your response was, our customers are the fault they're too stupid. This is as idiotic as blaming kinds for failing schools.
If you want to equate teachers and children, then perhaps we should fire the childish teachers.
buckeyemike81 1 month ago
believe me that if you act up at these top charter schools, you get dropped...let's see these charter schools do that well when they have to accept every kid that applies, and then have to keep those kids...
pahriz 1 month ago
"the top charter schools...the top..." did anybody catch Bill Gates' qualifiers?
pahriz 1 month ago
Wow...not one kid cussing a teacher out; no gang activity; no teen pregnancies; everyone coming to school on time, everyday, with supplies and ready to learn; parents involved in the education process; no kids needing ADHD medication; there are no issues with illegal drugs in these schools; computers in every classroom; I did not see any kids with their pants hanging off their ass; kids are neat and groomed and respectful of their teachers.
....this film FAILS to address any of these issues.
runninglow9SS 2 months ago
Were the subtitles done by someone who went to a public school?
isselman2000 2 months ago
Prestigious private schools test students prior to registration, and only accept students with high IQs!
THAT IS A FACT!
MsJanetWood 3 months ago
It is not about the lazy teachers! It is about the LAZY STUDENTS and their IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS!
Private school teachers get paid less and have less education than public school teachers.
But, the STUDENTS in private school are tested prior to registration and only the ones with high IQs are accepted into the school. Furthermore, they do not accept students with behavor problems, learning disabilities, or limited English skills. They also EXPEL problem students.
MsJanetWood 3 months ago
@MsJanetWood The assumptions here, they are astounding.
I actually attended private school. It was a Christian school, founded by homeschoolers originally. I spent my entire high school there without having a single test- beyond one conducted to determine my "faith" and which grade level I should be placed in. The school didn't have a history of expelling problem students, and didn't bother to expel the one student caught with marijuana.
The education I received from it was also useless, mind.
Demosthenes6666 3 months ago
Eliminating tenure is definitely the first step in correcting U.S. education. Without that, the U.S. will continue to be dragged along by the good teachers and weighed down by the bad. You could get fired from any job whether it's fast food, journalist, banker, contruction worker, whatever. There is no reason why teachers should have this immunity to losing their job. The education will not improve without a solution to this issue.
tnoodz 3 months ago 23
Wow! A school where STUDENTS and PARENTS are actually held accountable!
5:06 “Parents what are YOU reading to YOUR CHILD tonight.”
6:10 Students are required to wear UNIFORMS! Boys must wear a tie and tuck in their shirts!
9:46 “No T.V. No games”
MsJanetWood 5 months ago 5