This is pseudoscience hocus pocus. Well anyways let me know when the contraction camp start. A reeducation centers for kids is up and running. I hope all you perfect atheist have a wonderful genocide in your glorious future. Think of it. A great future where people are even more annoying and boring now then they ever have been before. Dick Dawkins will be your king and anybody who think different then you will automatically go to jail. It will be the most perfect boring world ever made my man.
Hard Fact: 4% of the population are sociopaths, psychologically unable to feel compassion or empathy. The only function of the state meme is to provide the means for those sociopaths to rule the other 96%.
Strangely enough this reminds me of the way schizophrenics form connections in ideas and how they share them verbally. Of course i'm not saying that what he is talking about doesn't make sense, but just that it just sounds extremely similar to people who don't xD
This is anarchy 101, which could be wonderful if it were possible. But most people aren't enlightened enough to govern themselves as individuals and so anarchy quickly descends into chaos. This is why the idea of a constitutional republic was started because it allows the personal freedom to foster productivity as a society and benefit the elite ruling class, which today has decided to relinquish our freedoms and bring all prosperity to a screeching halt. Follow the Constitution, fix the problem
@gblpst81 you dont have to govern yourself, you can use 3rd parties that are voluntarily funded... look at celtic ireland under free market anarchy for 1000 years... provided more liberty & prosperity than any statist system, as good as the constitution is its failed as the men with all the weapons ignore it & theres a big hole in it called "we the state, have the right to rob you" which is a hugely immoral flaw.
Sure you can talk about the virus of the United States, but remember that the virus you are talking about has roots in Europe. Europeans went to take over the Americas. Well, nowadays, the virus is still in Europe; deep and discreet. The United States has loud voices, but only because it's energetic. But the true virus is not in the United States, it is in Europe: I'll even tell you the country where the virus lives strong, therefore very discreet: Switzerland. The US grows and evolves!!
Fascinating video. Excellent analogy of the state as a virus. Successful viruses do not completely destroy their host, but rather generally let their host cell be free to grow and sucks off resources from the host to reproduce. Indeed, min-archism or so-called "limited"-government is simply a virus in its infancy, which starts off small but will gradually grow and dominate the host.
@ericfontainejazz Yes those that advocate state's rights in the US are advocating something that will eventually be destroyed again in the long run anyway even if all the states were recognized as completely sovereign by the Federal Government tomorrow. The state is self destructive in and of itself.
The viral dna replicates (catalysis of private interests, PC groups, sexual liberation movements etc.) through the coercion of cellular components(state resources). The last step is inflection of the world prior to the destruction of the state: Zombie White liberals sending soup and condoms to conquered turd world states with new opportunities for further mutated viral particles.
In America the host natural order is a individualist/libertarian White Anglo-Saxon male order. A prime viral component (eg. Jews), hacks the cell and injects its dna/rna (institutional propaganda).
The bordered nation-state is a cell. The central government is a nucleus and the stratification of levels of government and power constitutes a neural network. Viruses are agents that alter the natural ideological order.
Defining the state as a single grand virus infecting millions of cells (citizens) doesn't make any sense. It avoids the concept of geopolitical space. Viruses have (even the libertarian ones) the tendency to die out into inactivity and restrain their influences within limited spaces.
@umhalil "Maybe I came into this conversation in the middle...."
What I am saying is that the reaction to 9/11 was much more damaging to the American psyche than the actual attacks were.
Whether you agree with the "truthers" or not, people were censored and academics lost there jobs, the government line was swallowed hook line and sinker.
Nobody marched on the streets over the patriot act. It was as if McCarthy had prevailed from beyond the grave. Worse even.
The state is just one of many institutions in our time. A minimalist state won't work bacause companies will claim more and more power. At the end of the day what you want is wealth and income so why is a company cheating you any better than government. Individuals won't make roads so your argument is incorrect, can is irrelevant. There has never been a state that did nothing but provide security because crime connects other things.
@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Sure a company can cheat you in a stateless society, as they can do now. However in a stateless society there will not be the state to back the fraudulent company up or to bail it out for abusing its customers. On a free market those who abuse the system will fail and suffer the consequences depending on what they have done.
@InTheEndIWasRight Corperations have the same legal structure and tend to do similar things. For example if your a shareholder no matter who you invest in the CEO will take as much money as he can. In the product market many firms simply keep the prices high all at the same time no matter the number of companies involved. How much do you think clothing, the cell phone, the bottled water, cost the retailer. People never stop the 2cd worst company!
@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 today companies only have so much power over you because of the State giving them that power (with the laws created by the lobbiests. State is corrupt and corrupting , because people will always support their friends and give each other gifts). A corporation itself is just a document registered with the Government which gives the entity special legal protection (mostly it is a document to insure protection against YOU). All this is financed with your tax money too.
@DarkwingScooter If youre honestly swayed but some or a lot of the arguments, but stuck on the small details, look at the system now. Do we know how things will play out? No. Do we know all the details of how to solve complex problems? No. And so on. I do know that statism is irrational, unsustainable and inconsistent with people preferences. I also know that when people use their brains to work things out, that is a viable solution.
@InTheEndIWasRight Yeah, the system now is completely broken, I would have to agree with you there.
My feeling is just that the real problem is just a global scale tragedy of the commons. When you get global scale economies and no global scale government you get what we have today.
That global government would effectively mean the end state sovereignty while protecting against the proverbial Mongol horde both militarily and economically.
Without that I find it hard to see how this could work.
@DarkwingScooter Its not really global government. Anti-statism is like localized governance. And if youre worried about commons problems or free rider problems, theres been a lot of discussion on that, especially at the Mises institute.
@InTheEndIWasRight@InTheEndIWasRight Again, I agree with the notion that the fundamental political unit is the individual and that the polity should emanate from that source.
The problem is that the state is the natural consequence of such conglomeration and that individuals come to control the state through natural human interaction. That means that unless you have a supervening body to stop that from happening it will inevitably occur...
@DarkwingScooter There is a difference between contractual governance and the state. The state holds a monopoly on violence and other services. In a stateless are, people can subscribe to different police agencies, courts ect. Statelessness also comes with unlimited secession, thats opposite to what we have now. Its a system of ever-evolving, emergent structures. Whereas with the state we have policy dictated to us, even in the smallest republic.
@InTheEndIWasRight Again, I agree with the principle but I don't agree with the idea that contracts like these can be enforced bottom-up as it were.
Take your principle of limited secession for example: If you wanted to secede and the state refused you your right who would you appeal to. It would come to a question of force on a table rigged in favor of the state. "First they came for the...", they do it because it works.
@DarkwingScooter No no, UNlimited secession. In statelessness you have that ability. Basically think of it as the government with the functions now, supplied by competing companies and with the ability to pick and choose your governance.
@InTheEndIWasRight Someone has to guarantee that right to unlimited secession.
Under the current economic model states must grow to survive. The cheapest and easiest way for a state to grow is to absorb weaker states or stateless individuals. That is also why they resist secession.
So you need someone more powerful than any individual state to ensure that the right to secession is honored.
If you have that your system can work, but it essentially implies a supervening world government.
@DarkwingScooter All we have to do is get unlimited secession into the inter-subjective consensus of people. That is I can safely say that wanting to have a peaceful society is in the inter-subjective consensus of people. All it takes is changing more hearts and minds.
@InTheEndIWasRight ...In America the Constitution was designed to fill that role, but any fixed document will eventually interpreted out of existence. A world government can similarly become corrupted, so how would you stop the state from becoming too powerful?
@DarkwingScooter I would say no, I really dont trust the human species that much but I can see that with time and education the goals I talk about can be achieved, no doubt. And its not a utopia, its a lessening of the problems we see and a solution to some. Its taking all the power that is now centralized and decentralizing it, making the individual autonomous.
@InTheEndIWasRight "I can see that with time and education the goals I talk about can be achieved"
Yes, now I agree with you fully.
Whatever the cause of 9/11 was, it did some terrible damage to the American psyche and exposed a deep lack in the education of its citizens in the basic beliefs on which the country was founded.
At root the problem lies with a failed education system. It was always there in a way I suppose, but now it has been laid bare because it was finally and fully exploited.
@InTheEndIWasRight The funny thing is a lot of people believed in this principle around the world even immediately after the attacks, that was the chance to enact your idea.
But America blew it so royally when they re-elected Bush I doubt that the country will ever regain that kind of respect. Someone else will have to do it now sadly.
@DarkwingScooter If people are moral and good , then we do not need Govt. If people are immoral and evil - then we cannot afford to hand the totalitarian power of Govt to them.
Imagine if only one entity was allowed to produce all shoes. Shoes no doubt would be expensive, far from good quality, far from safety and far from good design. so how hijacking and monopolizing such vital services as Law, Order and Money is a good thing?
@alennna People are both moral and immoral, they are both good and evil.
Society requires people to govern it, people do not. The state is not society, it is an emergent property of societies. Society is a property of interaction between people.
"Imagine if only one entity was allowed to produce all shoes. Shoes no doubt would be expensive, far from good quality, far from safety and far from good design."
You assume that the free-market is the natural consequence of a lack of government.
@DarkwingScooter The point is that there is no fundamental goodness, thats why we cant have a state, because the parasites and bullies always head towards the power of the state.
@jaminunit I get that. What I am saying is that the only way to protect yourself form those parasites and bullies who like to form states or to stop them from forming one is to form a state yourself.
As with anything, there are no easy answers. The problem isn't the state, it is people who allow there intellect to be overwhelmed by seemingly simple solutions like statism or anarchism.
I don't think it's right to say that your Constitution is not needed, as there are always greedy power hungry gangs who want to control the people, as is today.
Interesting video though, and makes me a firm believer in the use of Cannabis.
@IFloridaMotocrossI You think free market capitalism has boom and bust cycles. I guess every liberal has a some retarded marx in them. For the love of the flying spaghetti monster learn economics.
@IFloridaMotocrossI - Of course there's a business cycle, with compliments of the unFederal Reserve that has the power to expand and contract the money supply.
You do realize that boom and busts have been happening well before the implementation of the Federal Reserve, right? The first one was in 1817. Speculation is always going to be a part of a Capitalist economy, and this causes certain stocks, derivatives, etc to become over-bought or inflated in value, which inevitably results in a bust. I don't see how this obvious reality can be denied...
@IFloridaMotocrossI - Yes but the Federal Reserve was not the first private central bank in America. I'm not sure when the first was, but one famous quote of President Andrew Jackson in 1832 was "I killed the bank" meaning the central bank in private hands. Of course there can a boom and bust of a commodity through speculation, eg Tulip bulbs in the 17th century, but this can hardly be considered as a business cycle of the whole economy.
Something as trivial as tulips can definitely be considered a business cycle because its own volatility and instability spreads through the rest of the interconnected economy.
The first official bank of the US was developed in 1791, and it expired in 1811. This bank is vastly different from the Fed because it didn't have any of the Fed's powers to buy bonds, set interest rates, etc. It was bound to have full reserve lending, mandatory rotation of management, etc.
Wow. Profound, articulate. You know, the reason you won't ever have this society though is because of individuals, ironically. I know it sounds pessimistic and I might be misunderstood because I think of things about objectively how the future will be predictably forced to live by it's own limitations too, but I also think: if you could get the world to realize what was wrong with it, you wouldn't have a problem to begin with. =/
Good video interesting analogies we think we are so smart and do not even realize how controlled we really are. Human ego loves the deluded perception it is in control and no other influences effect ME. No group is more deluded or self centered than the Ivy league Nobel Prize winning morons infecting the system with so called modern economic theories. That is what has doomed a once robust wealth distributing economy . Greenspan, and Milton Friedman are examples of these moron idiots.
so Libertarianism is a GOOD virus. Having that opinion would be a manefestation of libertarian virus infection. Like the rabies virus, which causes one to become unihibited, agressive, then irrational, eventually biting someone allowing it to reproduce. The libertarian virus is a little different, causing one to be officious, grandiose, and generally obtuse.
this is a dumb analogy. Viruses have no free will. They are however extremely mutative and prolific, making them capable of evolving very quickly. Viruses whose attributes allow them to reproduce in an available environment or host, do so. This process is all random and accidental. That doesn't seem to describe "The State". It does describe any and all political and economic theories, not to mention religions.
The host for these viruses is the general population. Libertarianism is simply a less unsuccessful virus, like scientology, or communism. "The State" is the manefestation of the collective power of the most successful virus. Libertarianism is a weak virus, mostly because it is based on something that doesn't exist (at least in an economic sense), the free market. Don't give up though, lots of other equally fatuous bullshit has risen to the top eventually.
Very good, the only problem I see is that our current "free market" isn't really free. Even if the state were to be abolished, the corporations now in power would remain in control. With the abolition our our current government, corporations would rush to fill the void (more likely in a subtle rather than overt manner). So what's our best solution?
@227Morgan Corporations as they are now, can not exist on a free market absent of a state. Businesses can only become corporations now if they lobby the state to become them. Corporations now have lobbied the state for barriers to entry in markets, thus drowning out most natural competition. With no state, its fare game, and only those who satisfy value in a legitimate manner will prosper.
@227Morgan Sweet, well if your interested I have a series called 'why do people laugh at statists' if you wanna watch the vids, feel free to, but mainly check out the links in any of the vids since they have a lot of good info there. Also I have a list of great channels on my channel if you wanna look at more on youtube. Out of that bunch, FringeElements, LibertyInOurTime and Misesmedia would be some very good ones to start out on.
Great I will most definitely check some of those things out. I've been educating myself on such topics for a little while now, and I must say, i'm growing steadily more optimistic. I think it will be good to get a perspective on ideas of how to create less insane society.
@227Morgan All it takes to build a better world is a little bit of effort. And I just wanna say thanks for actually being open on this. Way, way too often those who ask questions totally dismiss the ideas of a voluntary society out of hand. Thanks for not being one of them :)
That's what our indoctrination (education) system does. I honestly believed a lot of it until i began thinking for myself. But far too many people are still asleep.
To all those who have picked up a spoon and said repeatedly, "There is no spoon.. There is no spoon.. There is no spoon.." I'd like to suggest you start with something smaller and more achievable: "There is no State.. There is no State.. There is no State.." Just remember the Cheshire Cat and the Wizard of Oz. The closer you look, the more you'll see.. nothing.
But be careful. Because on the periphery of your vision you will see infected hosts. And they carry guns. "For the People", of course.
didn't the multiple state currencies that existed in the past turn out to be a huge failure because nobody who traveled knew what each one was worth and anybody living on a boarder never knew if the money they where making would be accepted or not?
although i think printed currency causes a lot of problems anyway cause as it gets destroyed by time and use people can store it up and inflate it in secret
say a farm produced a currency then somebody saves that
@eonomen and only so much food on that farm is produced
but over many years another person who hated that farm bought out those currencies from people and stored up enough to buy a hundred times the amount of food the farm was capable of producing
so people went to the other guy for food they needed and bought it for double what they would of got if the other farm hadn't had an inflated food currency
guess you could put dates
but then again cheap currency can be counterfeited cheaply
nobody says "love ot or leave it" thats black-and-white thinking. And your contempt sort of seems defiant and sullen. Okay, we all get it. You wont be fooled by nobody. thats probably why you make videos on youtube.
how about going outside and searching for a friendly place within the collective?
I'm being coerced into doing stuff I don't want to do daily because I want something in return. How do you disengage this fundamental aspect of human nature?
How about 'my' group not being ok with 'your' group seceding? How about 'my' group ostracizes 'your' group so you comply to what 'my' group (incidentally the stronger group) wants?
The supposed values you talk about only arise in a free market if they advantageous. Sadly sometimes, coercion, theft, cartels, lying. etc. are advantageous.
Again you take this purely mechanistic approach to this issue when in fact it is about morality.
The only way you can stop coercion is if you are a self relying system not prone to any needs or desires relating to other people.
Your system is as prone to coercion as any other society structure not to mention it's unequal playing field, brutality and unstableness brought on by evolution.
you are a part of the collective that is within the borderlines of your country. Why do you say "forced collective"? Everybody can emmigraate if not wanting be be a part of this collective. Its your choice.
Maybe the origin of your Contempt is the contempt against the collective itself, my little misanthrop?
This is all good and nice but a real free market would be based on the principles of evolution and I don't think that we should consult evolution on moral issues.
Evolution is fine as a tool in the sciences but it shouldn't function as role model as to how we should structure our society and how we structure our society is indeed a moral issue and not one based on functionality.
First of all, I did get your friend request. Accepted.
Well, this is very well articulated and clearly thought out. The virus is an interesting, and surprisingly accurate, comparison to the state. Though, there are a couple of things I would either disagree with or have to shed some light on.
One, in particular, is your claim that we evolved to function on our own. And that's not entirely true. We are a social species, and in many ways wired physically and psychologically to depend on...(cont)
...one another. The prisoner's dilemma comes to mind, as does sexual reproduction and all of the psychological nuances surrounding that tortuous mess. lol And it also seems to be our nature to elect a leader, or an alpha, to create some semblance of order. In our current form, even the majority of us, and the majority of our leaders, tend to feel more comfortable borrowing their authority from the authority of a hypothetical deity.
Whether beneficial or detrimental, it seems to be hardwired.
I agree with the virus comparison, but your solution is a lil delusional. Im guessing you meant that if Everyone used their individual mind and didnt let the state do it for them, we would be freed. I have my own principles and try to live life by them but the state has came down on me merciless for that. I think the "grandeur" of the state is different for everyone.Mine bein a powerful evil thing that will lock me up.
Whats up with the Paranoia of the state in the USA? I dont get it.
To me the Staate is the Organisation of the Collective, which everyone is a part from. And esspecially in the US where the Patriotism and solidarity is glorified, there is this fear of too much state.
I disagree, the government we have here in the USA is the best in the world. It was set up by people for the people unlike any other government in the world.
The problem is with the people who have the power not the system itself. Corruption is the problem and you will have that with any government over time.
Right now what the USA needs is a totalitarianism government for the time being to put all the corruption in check. Reform of government with separation of powers ftw.
The same way it puts everything else in "check". lol. No more red tape to wade thru for procecutions for one. Things would just get done instead of being picked apart by the vulchers.
Of coarse we would need to settle back down into our current system again but not after a complete overhaul and restructuring of the cabinets.
But, like I said it wont be a happenin either way because the world is coming to an end in 2011.
sure u can, you just buy a plane ticket and get the hell out. Apply for citizenship while your in a foreign land, I suggest cuba if they will take u or Canada if your more liberal.
Yes, Che Guevarra tried that, & he shot and killed those who would not "volunteer", lol..you cant ask for an all volunteer society, who will volunteer to clean toilet systems or pick fruits in the sun all day? I think you might be trying to say you want a "bartering" system, like hippies, who live in a commune & trade and help each other out. I've lived in one of those, & it's just as much forcing you to work & do your part in the community, or get out..ha ha..it's all the same. Well goodnight.
..And to be honest, I sort of respected your opinion, up until you wrote "This is bullshit." Now you are starting to sound like my 10 year old nephew. If you dont like a law, such as marijuana being illegal, just go out there and get petitions, talk to people, try and get votes and get the law changed. People do it all the time. You just have to convince the majority. Best of luck to you and great job opening up intellingent discussions and debates on YouTube..for that I do give you kudos.
That makes no sense buddy. The fact that YOU do not agree to how an entire society wants to live, does not make them unaware being "infected". Your argument is wrong. What you are really saying is this friend, let me help you, you're saying: "I dont agree with how this society works. It's laws. It's democratic system of voting and having representatives. I dont like that I cannot just do whatever I want. I want another system. This doesnt work for me." That is what you're saying. I
So you cant do whatever you want. This is not your land. It is OUR land. We share it. We have to follow rules to share a space. So..you cant grow pot in your back yard, just as I cant just come to your home and steal. Right? We have rules. Laws.
Ok. You grow pot on American soil. Do you own your land? No. Did you discover it? No. Friend, you are a citizen of a country, a society...we all pay taxes to: protect you (military and police), feed you (food and water sources), house you (or are you living in a shed? no. a home someone else built, right?)...
And you are allowed to leave, you can move to another country..now if you want to raise a group of people and fight America, you will be called terrorists and arrested for breaking our laws and trying to start a war or riots...I understand you are trying to "fight the machine" or "fight the man"..but the truth is...we ARE in control. You control what you eat (healthy or fast food?), what you watch on tv, exercise or not, what state you live in, we have options..rights...this isnt communism.
Nooooo....you are not being "forced"...you are the minority. We all take a VOTE (this is called a democracy) and the majority wins what is acceptable. You are the minority. You dont like the laws. Sorry for you, but I enjoy living in this country and vote and practice my democratic freedom allowed me by the constitution, and I vote for my legislators and representatives. Again, this is simple sociology, now specifically, democracy. We cant make everyone happy friend.
You are either a part of a society, or an outcast, you want to rebel? Fine by me, but there are repurcussions. Jail. Shot by police. Shunned by others. This is simple stuff here...you're trying to over complicate it to sound smart. You do sound intelligent and somewhat articulate, but you're obsessing over this theory of yours, which is nothing more than redundant. Let it go.
Wow. Guy...you're missing the point. Of course you would not be allowed to (break the law) not pay taxes...because we have agreed upon laws. You break them, you are going outside our society, therefore you are seperated and sent to jail. Again, this is simple socioloty friend! Why are you unable to understand it?
You are describing a society. You're putting way too much thought into this friend. It's not so complicated, and there is no conspiracy. Most americans know what is going on, they are just fine with it, we tolerate shit, in exchange for a feeling of security, freedom within reason, luxuries like clean water, food, cable tv, homes, etc...ok? Nothing more here, but thanks for your thoughts.
People, in order to live together, must give in to accepted ideological restrictions or propaganda, in order to live within that group? Understand? In America, we are not "forced" or acting like some virus infected entity, we are conscious sentient beings agreeing to what is acceptable or not, living together in a SOCIETY. Key word.
You're trying to think in terms of "The Matrix"...as if we are all blind to the manipulation, but don't you see that it is a sort of accepted, tolerated, very much self aware, society of volunteer "lemmings", if you will, which is exactly how a society works.
Altho a interesting comparison you have here overall the constitution is not a virus, the rights of the people made by the people is not a virus. Freedom and liberty is not a virus.
The "virus" initiator is Satan, thats why I the concept of your video because it does have some truth.
People who want to have authority and control, power and love their money. These are the viruses.
People will accept something, even if proven wrong or unprovable, just to belong, to be a part of the group, if that is what the group accepts. Simple. No great argument or theory here buddy. Sort of a waste of time. Why not talk about HOW you or others can pursuade society or make changes? IDK. Just seemed a bit redundant. Just my opinion.
People like to go along with things. It's human nature. We all know the examples of this: Nazi Germany, Christianity or any religion really. Pseudo-science. Mass hysteria.
The allegation of "brainwashing" in "Nazi Germany" is post-war propaganda. Germany was no more propagandistic than America was under Roosevelt's pro-communist regime, which brainwashed people into supporting a war that was against America's interests. Dissenters imprisoned.
At least those wars that Germany initiated -- against Poland and the Soviet Union -- were theoretically in the German people's interests.
Moreover, Germany actually did face a threat from the violent Marxist movement that was spreading across Europe. E.g., the Holodomor of 1932, in which millions of Ukrainian Christians were forcibly starved, happened shortly before the NSDAP ascended to power. The people knew it was real and no propaganda was needed to convince them.
"Nazi Germany" fought steadfastly against the murderous Marxists and on behalf of Christian Europe. Conversely, FDR sided with the Marxists.
Ok. So what? What's your point? You state, "The point is that you don't know you're infected."? I disagree. Most people "know" they are infected. People understand propaganda. I think you just dont understand people very well.
I am kind of lucky AND cursed because i always knew all of this but i couldnt have put it this way when i was in sixth grade..."fuck you" was as good as i could muster back than. when i was in the principals office i was never fooled. This of course translated into many years of fighting with whoever was in charge and eventually i wound up in prison, several times. I rebelled a bit too much, maybe..anyway
It was a natural progression, as you just explained.
I was thinking a separate web page, consolidating the step by step or course on antistatism.. Probably give them out with the webpage adress and have a daily view.. Then go from there.. Getting them more mainstream is the ultimate goal..
Hum, I think that we should advice him to consolidate his ideas and put them on the market.. If he's interested maybe we can help him.. I can see books, and vids to illustrate the non stateist view.. Just a thought.. Use Youtube for marketing perhaps.
Did u take this from confederialistsocialist??? He has a very unique perception.. I love it actually.. Now if only we can teach this to our kids instead of Government brainwashing teachings.. I guess im just wishin..
It is always an annoyance to engage a narcissist, a bit like barking at a barking dog. Pointless really.
As anyone can see I never professed to be a "man of God". Iam a non affronting average Joe. I offered an opinion on your pontificating rant which seeks to espouse that the populace is at fault for what is being foisted upon it by the socialist/ communist interests today so desperately seeking to assert authority over all in the name of the "collective good". I hold that the people are "good"
If the people are good, and all there are is people, then where are these nefarious "interests" coming from? Could it be that "the people" aren't monolithic in their moral status or agendas?
InTheEndIWasRight- Thank you for your friend invitation. I see you have no provision on your channel for messeges or comment.
I fundamentally disagree with your presentation video. Humankind is not a meandering pitri dish cesspool of insensiant amoeba wraiths. We are all the children of God put here with a purpose. The state is not a chimera, the forces in control of our gov't and commerce are the forces of confusion and deciet, satan.
"We The People" know who we are and it seems you do not.
Label aside, yea - programs for the poor, community help all on voluntary basis are both needed & ideal.
As to public works, that is how things were done prior to:
1. invention of the term "Contractor"
AND
2. invention of the concept of a "Mafia".
These are statist constructs mutually dependent on the state. "Contractor" in the virtual monopoly sense.....not the handyman/carpenter who lives next door:)
Going back to the 'primitive/tribal' model, when something needs to be built (a public work) the 'men of the village' labor together to do/build it. This would include building or fixing the dwelling of the sick, elderly, etc.
Communal effort...and charity for our brothers & sisters....gee, what a concept!
the state is a human immunodeficiency virus...and the media is drug...the two combined turns people into weak, addicted, dependant individuals who, no matter how bad the state destroys them, keep going back for more and more...its a cyycle that needs to be broken...and just like a pregnant women with hiv, just because the adults have it doesnt mean we cant take measures to make sure our kids dont have it...we all must enlighten ourselves and teach the youth
But I have to spend the same money i pay in taxes to others for the same services. Again, zero benefit to me and I have to do all the contracting myself.
"The state is a murderous middle man that creates volatility in the market, wars, genocide, terrorism."
we don't need mommy government. I feel a necessary first step is secession from the current system. Once we do that then concepts like anarchy will be able to be taught properly. We have to cut off the federal leviathans control of the schools before we can hope for any kind of change of that magnitude.
Excelent Kid! Very good presentation. The state is always looking for ways to prove it must exist and therefore we can not do without it. I agree! We don't need any of this bullshit.
I never answered because it was getting quite late.
I personally would have no problem with you (and others---probably even me included) seceding from the present Republic.
So then, I did not have to answer "NO," but, I am a reasonable person.
Furthermore, if you leave, you will still end up forming a collective body---AKA---some kind of a new state, with governing societal rules one must follow...
Erik You just cannot have no-one in charge. There is always someone deciding...even if it is the whole organism as one whole. Either you need leaders and leaders are there. Leadership is something that just appears and not all have it. Some will always follow as they have other things to do. By the way here we have Army Regiments or Navy Cadets if kids are interested and many do join them.
This is pseudoscience hocus pocus. Well anyways let me know when the contraction camp start. A reeducation centers for kids is up and running. I hope all you perfect atheist have a wonderful genocide in your glorious future. Think of it. A great future where people are even more annoying and boring now then they ever have been before. Dick Dawkins will be your king and anybody who think different then you will automatically go to jail. It will be the most perfect boring world ever made my man.
Tuber77 2 months ago
Wisdom. This video continues to be a favorite.
Hard Fact: 4% of the population are sociopaths, psychologically unable to feel compassion or empathy. The only function of the state meme is to provide the means for those sociopaths to rule the other 96%.
immayhem 5 months ago
Strangely enough this reminds me of the way schizophrenics form connections in ideas and how they share them verbally. Of course i'm not saying that what he is talking about doesn't make sense, but just that it just sounds extremely similar to people who don't xD
MyInterwebs 1 year ago
great video did you make this?
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
This is anarchy 101, which could be wonderful if it were possible. But most people aren't enlightened enough to govern themselves as individuals and so anarchy quickly descends into chaos. This is why the idea of a constitutional republic was started because it allows the personal freedom to foster productivity as a society and benefit the elite ruling class, which today has decided to relinquish our freedoms and bring all prosperity to a screeching halt. Follow the Constitution, fix the problem
gblpst81 1 year ago
@gblpst81 you dont have to govern yourself, you can use 3rd parties that are voluntarily funded... look at celtic ireland under free market anarchy for 1000 years... provided more liberty & prosperity than any statist system, as good as the constitution is its failed as the men with all the weapons ignore it & theres a big hole in it called "we the state, have the right to rob you" which is a hugely immoral flaw.
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
Sure you can talk about the virus of the United States, but remember that the virus you are talking about has roots in Europe. Europeans went to take over the Americas. Well, nowadays, the virus is still in Europe; deep and discreet. The United States has loud voices, but only because it's energetic. But the true virus is not in the United States, it is in Europe: I'll even tell you the country where the virus lives strong, therefore very discreet: Switzerland. The US grows and evolves!!
shynowhy 1 year ago
@shynowhy the virus is the state, whether EU or USA, dictatorship or democracy... no service should be provided at gun point
djdnauk1977 1 year ago
Hey Erik maybe you would consider putting CS's new channel FringeElements in the description bar?
crazypants88 1 year ago
@crazypants88 So you have wished it, so it shall be.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Fascinating video. Excellent analogy of the state as a virus. Successful viruses do not completely destroy their host, but rather generally let their host cell be free to grow and sucks off resources from the host to reproduce. Indeed, min-archism or so-called "limited"-government is simply a virus in its infancy, which starts off small but will gradually grow and dominate the host.
ericfontainejazz 1 year ago
@ericfontainejazz Here here man
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@ericfontainejazz Yes those that advocate state's rights in the US are advocating something that will eventually be destroyed again in the long run anyway even if all the states were recognized as completely sovereign by the Federal Government tomorrow. The state is self destructive in and of itself.
Satanicallyfree 1 year ago
Brilliant! thanks for making this :)
jaminunit 1 year ago
The viral dna replicates (catalysis of private interests, PC groups, sexual liberation movements etc.) through the coercion of cellular components(state resources). The last step is inflection of the world prior to the destruction of the state: Zombie White liberals sending soup and condoms to conquered turd world states with new opportunities for further mutated viral particles.
CreativeDissent 1 year ago
In America the host natural order is a individualist/libertarian White Anglo-Saxon male order. A prime viral component (eg. Jews), hacks the cell and injects its dna/rna (institutional propaganda).
CreativeDissent 1 year ago
The bordered nation-state is a cell. The central government is a nucleus and the stratification of levels of government and power constitutes a neural network. Viruses are agents that alter the natural ideological order.
CreativeDissent 1 year ago
Defining the state as a single grand virus infecting millions of cells (citizens) doesn't make any sense. It avoids the concept of geopolitical space. Viruses have (even the libertarian ones) the tendency to die out into inactivity and restrain their influences within limited spaces.
CreativeDissent 1 year ago
omg , this is absolutely genius. Thank you!!
alennna 1 year ago
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@umhalil "Maybe I came into this conversation in the middle...."
What I am saying is that the reaction to 9/11 was much more damaging to the American psyche than the actual attacks were.
Whether you agree with the "truthers" or not, people were censored and academics lost there jobs, the government line was swallowed hook line and sinker.
Nobody marched on the streets over the patriot act. It was as if McCarthy had prevailed from beyond the grave. Worse even.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
Every time we turn on the TV we're infected.
tomken8dy 1 year ago
The state is just one of many institutions in our time. A minimalist state won't work bacause companies will claim more and more power. At the end of the day what you want is wealth and income so why is a company cheating you any better than government. Individuals won't make roads so your argument is incorrect, can is irrelevant. There has never been a state that did nothing but provide security because crime connects other things.
zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 1 year ago
@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 Sure a company can cheat you in a stateless society, as they can do now. However in a stateless society there will not be the state to back the fraudulent company up or to bail it out for abusing its customers. On a free market those who abuse the system will fail and suffer the consequences depending on what they have done.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight Corperations have the same legal structure and tend to do similar things. For example if your a shareholder no matter who you invest in the CEO will take as much money as he can. In the product market many firms simply keep the prices high all at the same time no matter the number of companies involved. How much do you think clothing, the cell phone, the bottled water, cost the retailer. People never stop the 2cd worst company!
zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 1 year ago
@zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 today companies only have so much power over you because of the State giving them that power (with the laws created by the lobbiests. State is corrupt and corrupting , because people will always support their friends and give each other gifts). A corporation itself is just a document registered with the Government which gives the entity special legal protection (mostly it is a document to insure protection against YOU). All this is financed with your tax money too.
alennna 1 year ago
@alennna So rather than strong governments you suggest states stop incorperation?
zxcvbnmjhgfdsa1 1 year ago
I am torn, I agree with you but I think you are missing the fact that the devil is in the details.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter If youre honestly swayed but some or a lot of the arguments, but stuck on the small details, look at the system now. Do we know how things will play out? No. Do we know all the details of how to solve complex problems? No. And so on. I do know that statism is irrational, unsustainable and inconsistent with people preferences. I also know that when people use their brains to work things out, that is a viable solution.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight Yeah, the system now is completely broken, I would have to agree with you there.
My feeling is just that the real problem is just a global scale tragedy of the commons. When you get global scale economies and no global scale government you get what we have today.
That global government would effectively mean the end state sovereignty while protecting against the proverbial Mongol horde both militarily and economically.
Without that I find it hard to see how this could work.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter Its not really global government. Anti-statism is like localized governance. And if youre worried about commons problems or free rider problems, theres been a lot of discussion on that, especially at the Mises institute.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight @InTheEndIWasRight Again, I agree with the notion that the fundamental political unit is the individual and that the polity should emanate from that source.
The problem is that the state is the natural consequence of such conglomeration and that individuals come to control the state through natural human interaction. That means that unless you have a supervening body to stop that from happening it will inevitably occur...
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter There is a difference between contractual governance and the state. The state holds a monopoly on violence and other services. In a stateless are, people can subscribe to different police agencies, courts ect. Statelessness also comes with unlimited secession, thats opposite to what we have now. Its a system of ever-evolving, emergent structures. Whereas with the state we have policy dictated to us, even in the smallest republic.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight Again, I agree with the principle but I don't agree with the idea that contracts like these can be enforced bottom-up as it were.
Take your principle of limited secession for example: If you wanted to secede and the state refused you your right who would you appeal to. It would come to a question of force on a table rigged in favor of the state. "First they came for the...", they do it because it works.
That is the role and purpose of a constitution.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter No no, UNlimited secession. In statelessness you have that ability. Basically think of it as the government with the functions now, supplied by competing companies and with the ability to pick and choose your governance.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight Someone has to guarantee that right to unlimited secession.
Under the current economic model states must grow to survive. The cheapest and easiest way for a state to grow is to absorb weaker states or stateless individuals. That is also why they resist secession.
So you need someone more powerful than any individual state to ensure that the right to secession is honored.
If you have that your system can work, but it essentially implies a supervening world government.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter All we have to do is get unlimited secession into the inter-subjective consensus of people. That is I can safely say that wanting to have a peaceful society is in the inter-subjective consensus of people. All it takes is changing more hearts and minds.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight ...In America the Constitution was designed to fill that role, but any fixed document will eventually interpreted out of existence. A world government can similarly become corrupted, so how would you stop the state from becoming too powerful?
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight You have more believe in the fundamental goodness of man than I do I suppose.
Maybe you are right, that is the ideal. But I don't see it as a realizable one in that case, more of a Platonic Utopia.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter I would say no, I really dont trust the human species that much but I can see that with time and education the goals I talk about can be achieved, no doubt. And its not a utopia, its a lessening of the problems we see and a solution to some. Its taking all the power that is now centralized and decentralizing it, making the individual autonomous.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight "I can see that with time and education the goals I talk about can be achieved"
Yes, now I agree with you fully.
Whatever the cause of 9/11 was, it did some terrible damage to the American psyche and exposed a deep lack in the education of its citizens in the basic beliefs on which the country was founded.
At root the problem lies with a failed education system. It was always there in a way I suppose, but now it has been laid bare because it was finally and fully exploited.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight The funny thing is a lot of people believed in this principle around the world even immediately after the attacks, that was the chance to enact your idea.
But America blew it so royally when they re-elected Bush I doubt that the country will ever regain that kind of respect. Someone else will have to do it now sadly.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter If people are moral and good , then we do not need Govt. If people are immoral and evil - then we cannot afford to hand the totalitarian power of Govt to them.
Imagine if only one entity was allowed to produce all shoes. Shoes no doubt would be expensive, far from good quality, far from safety and far from good design. so how hijacking and monopolizing such vital services as Law, Order and Money is a good thing?
alennna 1 year ago
@alennna People are both moral and immoral, they are both good and evil.
Society requires people to govern it, people do not. The state is not society, it is an emergent property of societies. Society is a property of interaction between people.
"Imagine if only one entity was allowed to produce all shoes. Shoes no doubt would be expensive, far from good quality, far from safety and far from good design."
You assume that the free-market is the natural consequence of a lack of government.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter The point is that there is no fundamental goodness, thats why we cant have a state, because the parasites and bullies always head towards the power of the state.
jaminunit 1 year ago
@jaminunit I get that. What I am saying is that the only way to protect yourself form those parasites and bullies who like to form states or to stop them from forming one is to form a state yourself.
As with anything, there are no easy answers. The problem isn't the state, it is people who allow there intellect to be overwhelmed by seemingly simple solutions like statism or anarchism.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
I don't think it's right to say that your Constitution is not needed, as there are always greedy power hungry gangs who want to control the people, as is today.
Interesting video though, and makes me a firm believer in the use of Cannabis.
germanicelt 1 year ago
Excellent message. Excellent video. Well done!
cowgirlmoon 1 year ago
Public education camps, huh? I guess just about all Libertarians have a little Alex Jones in them...
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
@IFloridaMotocrossI You think free market capitalism has boom and bust cycles. I guess every liberal has a some retarded marx in them. For the love of the flying spaghetti monster learn economics.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
You honestly don't think there's a business cycle?
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
@IFloridaMotocrossI - Of course there's a business cycle, with compliments of the unFederal Reserve that has the power to expand and contract the money supply.
germanicelt 1 year ago
@germanicelt
You do realize that boom and busts have been happening well before the implementation of the Federal Reserve, right? The first one was in 1817. Speculation is always going to be a part of a Capitalist economy, and this causes certain stocks, derivatives, etc to become over-bought or inflated in value, which inevitably results in a bust. I don't see how this obvious reality can be denied...
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
@IFloridaMotocrossI - Yes but the Federal Reserve was not the first private central bank in America. I'm not sure when the first was, but one famous quote of President Andrew Jackson in 1832 was "I killed the bank" meaning the central bank in private hands. Of course there can a boom and bust of a commodity through speculation, eg Tulip bulbs in the 17th century, but this can hardly be considered as a business cycle of the whole economy.
germanicelt 1 year ago
@germanicelt
Something as trivial as tulips can definitely be considered a business cycle because its own volatility and instability spreads through the rest of the interconnected economy.
The first official bank of the US was developed in 1791, and it expired in 1811. This bank is vastly different from the Fed because it didn't have any of the Fed's powers to buy bonds, set interest rates, etc. It was bound to have full reserve lending, mandatory rotation of management, etc.
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight /watch?v=Bxq_mhdYeBM
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
Wow. Profound, articulate. You know, the reason you won't ever have this society though is because of individuals, ironically. I know it sounds pessimistic and I might be misunderstood because I think of things about objectively how the future will be predictably forced to live by it's own limitations too, but I also think: if you could get the world to realize what was wrong with it, you wouldn't have a problem to begin with. =/
igytsiycm 1 year ago
isn't this memetics?
CRAPCANNONS 1 year ago
Good video interesting analogies we think we are so smart and do not even realize how controlled we really are. Human ego loves the deluded perception it is in control and no other influences effect ME. No group is more deluded or self centered than the Ivy league Nobel Prize winning morons infecting the system with so called modern economic theories. That is what has doomed a once robust wealth distributing economy . Greenspan, and Milton Friedman are examples of these moron idiots.
jobedied 1 year ago
so Libertarianism is a GOOD virus. Having that opinion would be a manefestation of libertarian virus infection. Like the rabies virus, which causes one to become unihibited, agressive, then irrational, eventually biting someone allowing it to reproduce. The libertarian virus is a little different, causing one to be officious, grandiose, and generally obtuse.
setherini 1 year ago
this is a dumb analogy. Viruses have no free will. They are however extremely mutative and prolific, making them capable of evolving very quickly. Viruses whose attributes allow them to reproduce in an available environment or host, do so. This process is all random and accidental. That doesn't seem to describe "The State". It does describe any and all political and economic theories, not to mention religions.
setherini 1 year ago
The host for these viruses is the general population. Libertarianism is simply a less unsuccessful virus, like scientology, or communism. "The State" is the manefestation of the collective power of the most successful virus. Libertarianism is a weak virus, mostly because it is based on something that doesn't exist (at least in an economic sense), the free market. Don't give up though, lots of other equally fatuous bullshit has risen to the top eventually.
setherini 1 year ago
@setherini
Haha, I lol'd at your comment.
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
This is great!!! Add subtitles and it's perfect! A+
jibbityjab 1 year ago
Excellent video.
May i reccomend subjects for study; Kohlbergs stages of moral development, and Cultural Isolates and Memeology by Donna L. Quesinberry.
Elephantintheroom01 1 year ago
Very good, the only problem I see is that our current "free market" isn't really free. Even if the state were to be abolished, the corporations now in power would remain in control. With the abolition our our current government, corporations would rush to fill the void (more likely in a subtle rather than overt manner). So what's our best solution?
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan Corporations as they are now, can not exist on a free market absent of a state. Businesses can only become corporations now if they lobby the state to become them. Corporations now have lobbied the state for barriers to entry in markets, thus drowning out most natural competition. With no state, its fare game, and only those who satisfy value in a legitimate manner will prosper.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
I can get behind that philosophy.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan Sweet, well if your interested I have a series called 'why do people laugh at statists' if you wanna watch the vids, feel free to, but mainly check out the links in any of the vids since they have a lot of good info there. Also I have a list of great channels on my channel if you wanna look at more on youtube. Out of that bunch, FringeElements, LibertyInOurTime and Misesmedia would be some very good ones to start out on.
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
Great I will most definitely check some of those things out. I've been educating myself on such topics for a little while now, and I must say, i'm growing steadily more optimistic. I think it will be good to get a perspective on ideas of how to create less insane society.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan All it takes to build a better world is a little bit of effort. And I just wanna say thanks for actually being open on this. Way, way too often those who ask questions totally dismiss the ideas of a voluntary society out of hand. Thanks for not being one of them :)
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@InTheEndIWasRight
That's what our indoctrination (education) system does. I honestly believed a lot of it until i began thinking for myself. But far too many people are still asleep.
227Morgan 1 year ago
@227Morgan I agree, and same here
InTheEndIWasRight 1 year ago
@227Morgan The difference is that corporations don't have the public sanction to the use of a gun like the state has.
tesla921 1 year ago
To all those who have picked up a spoon and said repeatedly, "There is no spoon.. There is no spoon.. There is no spoon.." I'd like to suggest you start with something smaller and more achievable: "There is no State.. There is no State.. There is no State.." Just remember the Cheshire Cat and the Wizard of Oz. The closer you look, the more you'll see.. nothing.
But be careful. Because on the periphery of your vision you will see infected hosts. And they carry guns. "For the People", of course.
xearther 1 year ago
good video but one thing struck me
didn't the multiple state currencies that existed in the past turn out to be a huge failure because nobody who traveled knew what each one was worth and anybody living on a boarder never knew if the money they where making would be accepted or not?
although i think printed currency causes a lot of problems anyway cause as it gets destroyed by time and use people can store it up and inflate it in secret
say a farm produced a currency then somebody saves that
eonomen 1 year ago
@eonomen and only so much food on that farm is produced
but over many years another person who hated that farm bought out those currencies from people and stored up enough to buy a hundred times the amount of food the farm was capable of producing
so people went to the other guy for food they needed and bought it for double what they would of got if the other farm hadn't had an inflated food currency
guess you could put dates
but then again cheap currency can be counterfeited cheaply
eonomen 1 year ago
Excellent video.
PIentyMoney 1 year ago
Awesome vid
russiantraitor 1 year ago
such a good video
freedominsomalia 1 year ago
I have seen the viruses. They live in Wash DC
ElShadaiLives 1 year ago
I can understand anarchism, but why you'd want to keep money around is beyond me.
Magicwillnz 1 year ago
Wow! Great video! 10 thumbs up!
utoobasaurus 1 year ago
I Agree Totally With This Video: 10**********4 The Truth, Thanks....
777TIZZable 1 year ago
The "magic scroll" line was priceless.
thatcreepcanroll 1 year ago
viruses are wierd stuff man. strange creatures indeed
tenthousandyearsgoon 1 year ago
Amazing vid!!!
*****
ROCK ON!
RockHistoryTube 1 year ago
You can't relate a human society to a cell society. They're two completely different things. Cells have no a priori judgement; yet, we do.
All viruses are bad for humans-- unless you're referring to the laboratory manipulation of viruses.
PS: In most(if not all)cases of non-human societies, planned collectives are pro-evolutionary.
tumadros 2 years ago
why did they suspend your account?
maximusTLP 2 years ago
5 stars for the Cheshire cat! Great video
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago
Really interesting. above my pay grade...:-(
TonyBrownFilms 2 years ago
nobody says "love ot or leave it" thats black-and-white thinking. And your contempt sort of seems defiant and sullen. Okay, we all get it. You wont be fooled by nobody. thats probably why you make videos on youtube.
how about going outside and searching for a friendly place within the collective?
monkfishseye 2 years ago
That is definitely true. I'm a film major, I can attest to that. lol
PachucoDesigns 2 years ago
I'm being coerced into doing stuff I don't want to do daily because I want something in return. How do you disengage this fundamental aspect of human nature?
How about 'my' group not being ok with 'your' group seceding? How about 'my' group ostracizes 'your' group so you comply to what 'my' group (incidentally the stronger group) wants?
The supposed values you talk about only arise in a free market if they advantageous. Sadly sometimes, coercion, theft, cartels, lying. etc. are advantageous.
infinit888 2 years ago
Again you take this purely mechanistic approach to this issue when in fact it is about morality.
The only way you can stop coercion is if you are a self relying system not prone to any needs or desires relating to other people.
Your system is as prone to coercion as any other society structure not to mention it's unequal playing field, brutality and unstableness brought on by evolution.
infinit888 2 years ago
you are a part of the collective that is within the borderlines of your country. Why do you say "forced collective"? Everybody can emmigraate if not wanting be be a part of this collective. Its your choice.
Maybe the origin of your Contempt is the contempt against the collective itself, my little misanthrop?
monkfishseye 2 years ago
This is all good and nice but a real free market would be based on the principles of evolution and I don't think that we should consult evolution on moral issues.
Evolution is fine as a tool in the sciences but it shouldn't function as role model as to how we should structure our society and how we structure our society is indeed a moral issue and not one based on functionality.
infinit888 2 years ago
First of all, I did get your friend request. Accepted.
Well, this is very well articulated and clearly thought out. The virus is an interesting, and surprisingly accurate, comparison to the state. Though, there are a couple of things I would either disagree with or have to shed some light on.
One, in particular, is your claim that we evolved to function on our own. And that's not entirely true. We are a social species, and in many ways wired physically and psychologically to depend on...(cont)
PachucoDesigns 2 years ago
...one another. The prisoner's dilemma comes to mind, as does sexual reproduction and all of the psychological nuances surrounding that tortuous mess. lol And it also seems to be our nature to elect a leader, or an alpha, to create some semblance of order. In our current form, even the majority of us, and the majority of our leaders, tend to feel more comfortable borrowing their authority from the authority of a hypothetical deity.
Whether beneficial or detrimental, it seems to be hardwired.
PachucoDesigns 2 years ago
I agree with the virus comparison, but your solution is a lil delusional. Im guessing you meant that if Everyone used their individual mind and didnt let the state do it for them, we would be freed. I have my own principles and try to live life by them but the state has came down on me merciless for that. I think the "grandeur" of the state is different for everyone.Mine bein a powerful evil thing that will lock me up.
azrial4421 2 years ago
Coming across this...sort of reminds me of the matrix
fireman12888 2 years ago
Whats up with the Paranoia of the state in the USA? I dont get it.
To me the Staate is the Organisation of the Collective, which everyone is a part from. And esspecially in the US where the Patriotism and solidarity is glorified, there is this fear of too much state.
i dont get it.
monkfishseye 2 years ago
this is quite hilarious, hahahaa...great associative usage, analagistic truth, of worldly proportions. 5/5
zero1gmv 2 years ago
TOP DRAW....MY FRIEND
opennick 2 years ago
great videos.
universatile 2 years ago
I disagree, the government we have here in the USA is the best in the world. It was set up by people for the people unlike any other government in the world.
The problem is with the people who have the power not the system itself. Corruption is the problem and you will have that with any government over time.
Right now what the USA needs is a totalitarianism government for the time being to put all the corruption in check. Reform of government with separation of powers ftw.
Uaz31 2 years ago
But, its too late for any such thing because the world is going to end in 2011.
Familyradio dott comm for great Bibical resource and timeline for the end of the world.
Uaz31 2 years ago
The world will end in 2011? Why? To catch us off guard because we are expecting it in 2012?
BabelOn4infinity 2 years ago
It would seem that way. You can read up on it at Familyradio online literature "were almost there"
Uaz31 2 years ago
Uaz31, how on earth does totalitarianism put corruption in check?
CPSSucks 2 years ago
The same way it puts everything else in "check". lol. No more red tape to wade thru for procecutions for one. Things would just get done instead of being picked apart by the vulchers.
Of coarse we would need to settle back down into our current system again but not after a complete overhaul and restructuring of the cabinets.
But, like I said it wont be a happenin either way because the world is coming to an end in 2011.
Uaz31 2 years ago
sure u can, you just buy a plane ticket and get the hell out. Apply for citizenship while your in a foreign land, I suggest cuba if they will take u or Canada if your more liberal.
Uaz31 2 years ago
wow, absolutely fantastic video, you took my thoughts that I couldn't quite piece together and solidified them for me. Thanks!
smitty121981 2 years ago
The end is just the beginning........
cocaaaacolaaaa 2 years ago
excellent video! great upload. keep it up
jystyle 2 years ago
Yes, Che Guevarra tried that, & he shot and killed those who would not "volunteer", lol..you cant ask for an all volunteer society, who will volunteer to clean toilet systems or pick fruits in the sun all day? I think you might be trying to say you want a "bartering" system, like hippies, who live in a commune & trade and help each other out. I've lived in one of those, & it's just as much forcing you to work & do your part in the community, or get out..ha ha..it's all the same. Well goodnight.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
..And to be honest, I sort of respected your opinion, up until you wrote "This is bullshit." Now you are starting to sound like my 10 year old nephew. If you dont like a law, such as marijuana being illegal, just go out there and get petitions, talk to people, try and get votes and get the law changed. People do it all the time. You just have to convince the majority. Best of luck to you and great job opening up intellingent discussions and debates on YouTube..for that I do give you kudos.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
That makes no sense buddy. The fact that YOU do not agree to how an entire society wants to live, does not make them unaware being "infected". Your argument is wrong. What you are really saying is this friend, let me help you, you're saying: "I dont agree with how this society works. It's laws. It's democratic system of voting and having representatives. I dont like that I cannot just do whatever I want. I want another system. This doesnt work for me." That is what you're saying. I
BoliFX78 2 years ago
So you cant do whatever you want. This is not your land. It is OUR land. We share it. We have to follow rules to share a space. So..you cant grow pot in your back yard, just as I cant just come to your home and steal. Right? We have rules. Laws.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
Ok. You grow pot on American soil. Do you own your land? No. Did you discover it? No. Friend, you are a citizen of a country, a society...we all pay taxes to: protect you (military and police), feed you (food and water sources), house you (or are you living in a shed? no. a home someone else built, right?)...
BoliFX78 2 years ago
And you are allowed to leave, you can move to another country..now if you want to raise a group of people and fight America, you will be called terrorists and arrested for breaking our laws and trying to start a war or riots...I understand you are trying to "fight the machine" or "fight the man"..but the truth is...we ARE in control. You control what you eat (healthy or fast food?), what you watch on tv, exercise or not, what state you live in, we have options..rights...this isnt communism.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
Nooooo....you are not being "forced"...you are the minority. We all take a VOTE (this is called a democracy) and the majority wins what is acceptable. You are the minority. You dont like the laws. Sorry for you, but I enjoy living in this country and vote and practice my democratic freedom allowed me by the constitution, and I vote for my legislators and representatives. Again, this is simple sociology, now specifically, democracy. We cant make everyone happy friend.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
You are either a part of a society, or an outcast, you want to rebel? Fine by me, but there are repurcussions. Jail. Shot by police. Shunned by others. This is simple stuff here...you're trying to over complicate it to sound smart. You do sound intelligent and somewhat articulate, but you're obsessing over this theory of yours, which is nothing more than redundant. Let it go.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
Wow. Guy...you're missing the point. Of course you would not be allowed to (break the law) not pay taxes...because we have agreed upon laws. You break them, you are going outside our society, therefore you are seperated and sent to jail. Again, this is simple socioloty friend! Why are you unable to understand it?
BoliFX78 2 years ago
spelling error: sociology
BoliFX78 2 years ago
You are describing a society. You're putting way too much thought into this friend. It's not so complicated, and there is no conspiracy. Most americans know what is going on, they are just fine with it, we tolerate shit, in exchange for a feeling of security, freedom within reason, luxuries like clean water, food, cable tv, homes, etc...ok? Nothing more here, but thanks for your thoughts.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
People, in order to live together, must give in to accepted ideological restrictions or propaganda, in order to live within that group? Understand? In America, we are not "forced" or acting like some virus infected entity, we are conscious sentient beings agreeing to what is acceptable or not, living together in a SOCIETY. Key word.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
You're trying to think in terms of "The Matrix"...as if we are all blind to the manipulation, but don't you see that it is a sort of accepted, tolerated, very much self aware, society of volunteer "lemmings", if you will, which is exactly how a society works.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
Altho a interesting comparison you have here overall the constitution is not a virus, the rights of the people made by the people is not a virus. Freedom and liberty is not a virus.
The "virus" initiator is Satan, thats why I the concept of your video because it does have some truth.
People who want to have authority and control, power and love their money. These are the viruses.
Uaz31 2 years ago
People will accept something, even if proven wrong or unprovable, just to belong, to be a part of the group, if that is what the group accepts. Simple. No great argument or theory here buddy. Sort of a waste of time. Why not talk about HOW you or others can pursuade society or make changes? IDK. Just seemed a bit redundant. Just my opinion.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
People like to go along with things. It's human nature. We all know the examples of this: Nazi Germany, Christianity or any religion really. Pseudo-science. Mass hysteria.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
@BoliFX78
The allegation of "brainwashing" in "Nazi Germany" is post-war propaganda. Germany was no more propagandistic than America was under Roosevelt's pro-communist regime, which brainwashed people into supporting a war that was against America's interests. Dissenters imprisoned.
At least those wars that Germany initiated -- against Poland and the Soviet Union -- were theoretically in the German people's interests.
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
@BoliFX78
Moreover, Germany actually did face a threat from the violent Marxist movement that was spreading across Europe. E.g., the Holodomor of 1932, in which millions of Ukrainian Christians were forcibly starved, happened shortly before the NSDAP ascended to power. The people knew it was real and no propaganda was needed to convince them.
"Nazi Germany" fought steadfastly against the murderous Marxists and on behalf of Christian Europe. Conversely, FDR sided with the Marxists.
LibertaerUeberAlles 1 year ago
Ok. So what? What's your point? You state, "The point is that you don't know you're infected."? I disagree. Most people "know" they are infected. People understand propaganda. I think you just dont understand people very well.
BoliFX78 2 years ago
this is pretty good stuff.
I am kind of lucky AND cursed because i always knew all of this but i couldnt have put it this way when i was in sixth grade..."fuck you" was as good as i could muster back than. when i was in the principals office i was never fooled. This of course translated into many years of fighting with whoever was in charge and eventually i wound up in prison, several times. I rebelled a bit too much, maybe..anyway
It was a natural progression, as you just explained.
blastingcaps 2 years ago
Agreed! Have a good night my friend. I'm stuck here at work myself.. Can't really get on line.. Breath easy.
cranberyy22 2 years ago
I was thinking a separate web page, consolidating the step by step or course on antistatism.. Probably give them out with the webpage adress and have a daily view.. Then go from there.. Getting them more mainstream is the ultimate goal..
cranberyy22 2 years ago
Hum, I think that we should advice him to consolidate his ideas and put them on the market.. If he's interested maybe we can help him.. I can see books, and vids to illustrate the non stateist view.. Just a thought.. Use Youtube for marketing perhaps.
cranberyy22 2 years ago
Did u take this from confederialistsocialist??? He has a very unique perception.. I love it actually.. Now if only we can teach this to our kids instead of Government brainwashing teachings.. I guess im just wishin..
cranberyy22 2 years ago
"And we are all aliens with poisonous thoughts imbedded in our heads, to subtract unity from evolution and revelation into science."
rogerdaleandersonjr. p.s very deep video,make's u think.
"as you can tell im not exactly here, myself"
rogerdabadge82 2 years ago
It is always an annoyance to engage a narcissist, a bit like barking at a barking dog. Pointless really.
As anyone can see I never professed to be a "man of God". Iam a non affronting average Joe. I offered an opinion on your pontificating rant which seeks to espouse that the populace is at fault for what is being foisted upon it by the socialist/ communist interests today so desperately seeking to assert authority over all in the name of the "collective good". I hold that the people are "good"
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
If the people are good, and all there are is people, then where are these nefarious "interests" coming from? Could it be that "the people" aren't monolithic in their moral status or agendas?
thePuck77 2 years ago
InTheEndIWasRight- Thank you for your friend invitation. I see you have no provision on your channel for messeges or comment.
I fundamentally disagree with your presentation video. Humankind is not a meandering pitri dish cesspool of insensiant amoeba wraiths. We are all the children of God put here with a purpose. The state is not a chimera, the forces in control of our gov't and commerce are the forces of confusion and deciet, satan.
"We The People" know who we are and it seems you do not.
DanOblacksmith 2 years ago
Wow, your magic man explanation sure pwned his reasoned argument! Why did I ever doubt the magic man theory?
thePuck77 2 years ago
This video blew my mind! You the man! We need a cure for the virus! Desperately seeking a cure...
hucgirl8 2 years ago
nice work Erik
Jason310M 2 years ago
Label aside, yea - programs for the poor, community help all on voluntary basis are both needed & ideal.
As to public works, that is how things were done prior to:
1. invention of the term "Contractor"
AND
2. invention of the concept of a "Mafia".
These are statist constructs mutually dependent on the state. "Contractor" in the virtual monopoly sense.....not the handyman/carpenter who lives next door:)
19lfm12 2 years ago
Going back to the 'primitive/tribal' model, when something needs to be built (a public work) the 'men of the village' labor together to do/build it. This would include building or fixing the dwelling of the sick, elderly, etc.
Communal effort...and charity for our brothers & sisters....gee, what a concept!
This video is beyond awesome:)
19lfm12 2 years ago
Tis amusing that many Christians try to assert that the state (or the US) is somehow 'divinely ordained'.
When asked, Christ asserted that the state existed & that it had power; BUT he never said that it or its USE of power was good - much less moral:)
To Pilate: 'you would have no power were it not ALLOWED from above'.
In theology the PASSIVE will of God is when he leaves stupid men to their own evil devices.
Irony, eh?
:D
19lfm12 2 years ago
the state is a human immunodeficiency virus...and the media is drug...the two combined turns people into weak, addicted, dependant individuals who, no matter how bad the state destroys them, keep going back for more and more...its a cyycle that needs to be broken...and just like a pregnant women with hiv, just because the adults have it doesnt mean we cant take measures to make sure our kids dont have it...we all must enlighten ourselves and teach the youth
takethat2thebank 2 years ago
An excellent analysis!
I agree with you & the basic thesis of this (brilliant!!!) video.
19lfm12 2 years ago
good
bman462 2 years ago
Ingenious!
sherezadelink 2 years ago 7
Ahhh, great video. ^_^
BlossomingProcess 2 years ago 6
But I have to spend the same money i pay in taxes to others for the same services. Again, zero benefit to me and I have to do all the contracting myself.
"The state is a murderous middle man that creates volatility in the market, wars, genocide, terrorism."
Diatribes don't work on me, sorry.
sorienor 2 years ago
So again, all that is really accomplished in a stateless society is philosophical and it yields no practical, real-world tangible benefits.
You have yet to convince me that stateless is *better* in any way that really matters.
sorienor 2 years ago
So in reality, all things being equal there is no practical difference between state and stateless societies when it comes to building roads.
Except without a state I have to do a lot more work to get the same end.
More work, same expense, same benefit.
how exactly is stateless better? - other then satisfying your personal philosophy.
sorienor 2 years ago
that was a really good video, a really good explaination and eye opener
SGTgonzalez 2 years ago 3
we don't need mommy government. I feel a necessary first step is secession from the current system. Once we do that then concepts like anarchy will be able to be taught properly. We have to cut off the federal leviathans control of the schools before we can hope for any kind of change of that magnitude.
Luigi84289 2 years ago 4
Excelent Kid! Very good presentation. The state is always looking for ways to prove it must exist and therefore we can not do without it. I agree! We don't need any of this bullshit.
BarbarianRebellion 2 years ago 4
You couldn't have used a better representative for the idiological virus than Gnome Chimski. Fucking great!!!
BarbarianRebellion 2 years ago 4
Great video
bravehartmman 2 years ago 5
I never answered because it was getting quite late.
I personally would have no problem with you (and others---probably even me included) seceding from the present Republic.
So then, I did not have to answer "NO," but, I am a reasonable person.
Furthermore, if you leave, you will still end up forming a collective body---AKA---some kind of a new state, with governing societal rules one must follow...
Continued...
bvb71 2 years ago
...and, as far as EVERYONE leaving the present state, it ain't gonna happen.
Look around you; people like the same old same old... People do not like change.
bvb71 2 years ago
I keep referring to the consitution because it is a well written, tangible document, of rights.
And, if utilized as intended, it is a good foundation for a free society.
As far as the "state" using the "gun" to enforce the "law," well yeah, it can ultimately do that.
But, that is only because the people(society as a whole) allows the state to do it.
Once again, there are rules one must follow in a civilized society.
bvb71 2 years ago
Erik You just cannot have no-one in charge. There is always someone deciding...even if it is the whole organism as one whole. Either you need leaders and leaders are there. Leadership is something that just appears and not all have it. Some will always follow as they have other things to do. By the way here we have Army Regiments or Navy Cadets if kids are interested and many do join them.
boltville 2 years ago 5