Polymetric coordination drumset exercise (à la Gavin Harrison, Thomas Lang, Virgil Donati etc)

[Hheawy]

Excellent!

[musicartdrugspeace]

That's actually four midgets in a costume

[Lastshadow94]

This has a very Tool feel to it, I like it.

[CharbelSalem]

YES ! haha awesome video. Indeed it's not recommended to try and understand this in a 4/4 time signature format.

[artha5]

What it's exactly the difference between a polymeter and a polyrhythm?

[hospitory]

@artha5 While I´m by no means an authority on music theory, this is my take on it:

A polymeter is 2 or more meters (or time signatures/phraselenghts if you will) played simultaneously, as in my video.

A polyrythm is 2 or more rythms that in relation to each other are not evenly divided, like playing 2 over 3, 3 over 2 etc. I.e. playing 4 beats over 2 is not a polyrhythm though historically I believe it has been defined as such (but no one uses the term in that way nowadays).

[kjuyhfklujhkuyf]

@artha5 A polyrhythm is any two or more rhythms sounded together which don't follow the same groove. So accents are in different places for each rhythm typically. A polymeter is a type of polyrhythm in which one or more of the rhythms used is in a completely different time signature than the others. Ex-- Polymeter: bass drum in 4/4, snare in 6/8. Simpler polyrhythm: ride plays 8th note triplets, snare 8th note duplets, all in 6/4.

[allstar550]

This might be a dumb question, but why is it a 4 over X polyrhythm rather than X over 4? Is there something that determines the order of the two numbers? Great drumming by the way. I'm starting to dabble in some independence drumming and this will help.

[hospitory]

@allstar550 That´s a good question. If you check out Gavin Harrisson´s second book "rhythmic perspectives" (I only have breifly) he has made exercises that goes through just that. Depending on your perspective the correlations change. I chose to feel my patterns in 16:th notes in 4/4 time so that makes the dotted 8:ths in the bass drum a 4 over 3 polyrythm rather than the opposite. If you would percieve the patterns as triplets in 5/4 that would change everything. It depends on your reference...

[jrdarley]

You are extremely talented. Excellent explanation.



[jrdarley]

You are extremely talented. Excellent explanation.

[jrdarley]

You are extremely talented.

[dannyss29]

that bass drum sounds great!

[drummerdickens]

Can I suggest, rather than using the hi-hat, you use a tick or metronome on screen? It was really difficult to visualise what you were doing, even when you broke it down :(

[lygophile]

you messed up the 7/16th at 0:24.

[hospitory]

@lygophile Yes I know. I made this in too much of a hurry, realized the mistake a bit too late and thats that.... I hope the Idea/message/concept got through anyways....

[tsirosgoddammit]

@hospitory are you fucking shitting me? o_O

[nigelregan]

@lygophile you're a dick head!

[lygophile]

@nigelregan no, Dick is my brother. i am Randy Head.

[yiorgosaeklive]

Can someone write it down and post a video?????

[quisquefaber88]

why don't you incorporate that frying pan underneath the desk into your playing?

[hospitory]

@quisquefaber88

Maybe I should fix a frying pan stand so I can start using it. =)

[dmandanku]

@hospitory LMAO!!! :)

[DennyAJD]

Gavin Harrison, Thomas Lang, Virgil Donati did not played 4 layered polymetrics. You and me did. :)

[ryder187mac]

@DennyAJD I'll never stop reassuring myself about how much of an ignorant idiot you are.

And even if they did... heck, they're much bigger names in drums than your pathetic "world first" ass.

[DennyAJD]

@ryder187mac well idiot, i'll take off the "world first" when i received a video older than mine. (d'oh). Bigger names doesn't means their play more complicated than this video. Dont being such an asshole, get a life

[ryder187mac]

@DennyAJD Fact is, they do. Ever since the start of drumming people have been studying polyrhythms, and there's books on polyrhythms that go into 4-way stuff that were released probably before you even started drumming. The "world first" is what really pisses me off since you wait for an "older video" to be claimed otherwise, but you reject all comments that state the plain truth about you being a pretentious person seeking attention with a made up "world first" feat.

Have fun. =)

[DennyAJD]

@ryder187mac now, where's the book? who's playing that? Answer please. i'll be glad to reduce World First to only Youtube first. Have fun too

[ryder187mac]

@DennyAJD Well seems world first has been claimed from you already, and I honestly don't know the name of the book since I was only given a copy of a few pages from it.

Now, Mike Mangini's book and Marco Minnemann's book are pretty much all about independence and go into this stuff. Pete Lockett's studying material goes into this on a really extreme scale. "I googled but could find nothing on this"; bullshit, buy a real book.

[ryder187mac]

@DennyAJD And, stop trying to claim you "discovered" this stuff, indian percussion and indian classical music is so full of this you can't even begin to imagine. And now, the grand moment to not make my post seem like an evidence-less bash:

/watch?v=JAo99wqaQ3Q

4 way polymeter, 2006. I know this'd never get through your vid 'cause you moderate comments, lol. Now, take off the tag and stop trying to make drumming seem like a competition with a self-granted "world first" feat. Pissed me off =(

[DennyAJD]

@ryder187mac sorry mate,about the video you gave me it's not purely 4 layers polymetric. Yes, it's 6 voicing and he said 2, 3, 5, 7 but he ain't play it clear enough, but he cuts the beats too soon. He should hold the pattern it speaks clearly, and trust me. it aint easy.

Any video that speaks like this one will be very appreciated.

By the way, i never said that created those thing. i'm only the first one who play it on the drumset.

[hospitory]

@DennyAJD Marc Mondesir made a drum-dvd in 2000 called "The mystery unfolds" displaying 4-way polymeters. Check it out! I also exercised this stuff when my teacher at that time around the millenum-shift introduced me to these kind of exercises (and he was´nt the first either I´m sure), so it´s not very new, but not very thoroughly explored either, it´s very interesting stuff!

[DennyAJD]

@hospitory thx mate. i'll find out more about him. :)

[DennyAJD]

@ryder187mac please keep trying mate. once again, it will be my pleasure to took of my claim if you find me a video that exactly like this one. but with clearity.

that video you gave me just like "the first person who survive drinks 99% of alcohol", but he only drinks 1/8 bottle of it.

[ryder187mac]

@DennyAJD k, so you've proved you're hopeless and enjoy self-granted titles. "If he held the beat for longer" you say, well he played a phrase then went to improv. It's fairly clear the guy was doing exactly the same thing that's in this vid. right then, mister "world first", I'll leave you to bathe in your world glory.

I shall also seek world records, you'll see, once I get a camera I'll set the record for highest amount of single foot heel up strokes in 7 seconds.

[DennyAJD]

@ryder187mac World records attempt has timed goals my friends. face it.

[LTdrumma]

excelent

[kungmat]

Hur räknade du för att få fram antalet takter det tar innan alla figurer börjar på ettan igen? Mitt mattesinne är inget vidare..haha.

Grym video, ha det bra!

[hospitory]

@kungmat Tack!

7-figuren tar 7 takter i 4/4 för att gå jämnt ut, 5-figuren tar 5 takter, 3-figuren tar 3.

Lägsta siffran som är jämnt delbar med både 7,5 och 3 är 105. Jag gick den jobbiga vägen (är inget vidare på matte) och utgick först från tal som är jämnt delbara med 7 (dvs 7,14,21,28 etc) och testade om de var delbara med 5 och respektive 3....

Jag tror det är rätt siffra jag kommit fram till men jag skulle inte sätta en årslön på det =)

Ha det!

[archsymphony69]

Cool...

[CharbelSalem]

It's me again ! .. Dude this is awesome stuff you're creating ... Makes drumming way more interesting... I love your ride cymbal ... What is it ? just Istanbul ? or is there a sub category for it ?

[valsegnafs]

great exercise man, im really loving the sound of your istanbul ride.

Keep up the good work.

[CafeDkP13]

if delfins could play drumms the would be the proest on this haha

[howycwap]

ewwy i dont like the sound of your snare, is it cause your hitting it differently or is that how you like it?

[hospitory]

To me it sounds ok. Not perfect but that´s not a problem with the snare itself i guess, rather a combination of a old skin and limited tuning and mixiing skills. I´m using some rimshots that make the snare ring quite a bit, which to me sounds alright, maybe that´s what you don´t dig? Take care....

[howycwap]

@hospitory

yeah its the rimshots that make it sound ringy thats making me not like your snare

[allanwho1]

@howycwap i don´t like like what you wrote,or is it how you like it???

[howycwap]

@allanwho1

wait what?

[orre666]

underbart.

[Satie3]

Yeah the ride is not always playing in 7 - damn

[jonberg82]

Nice stuff! But the ridebell is not playing a 7 figure all the way. Maybe you did it on purpose, but anyway, nice stuff :)

[hospitory]

Thanks, you´re right. I did´nt notice that mistake in the process =) Skarpa öron!

[spankdrumer89]

great video! learned a lot from it, would be cool to see a couple more, please post some more!!!

[tmv8888]

105 bars till a resolve? hahaha. Quite the mind bender. I'm really impressed with this video, and i've learned quite a bit from it.

[andrietube]

I see reinforce ring on your tom shells. Is that Sonor Delite or Sonor SQ2 that you are using?

[hospitory]

It´s a sonor delite birdseye cherry! Not tuned to their full potential though.... =)

[andrietube]

Great drum! I have the birdseye amber =)thanks for the good video man..

[800carcash]

love the frying pan, want to hear you play that or was that for your hot pockets?

[persini]

Hi from another Seb, great work bro, cheers!

[panosmarlos]

Great stuff man !!

[madchops82]

awesome stuff

[11Phutureprimitive11]

MESUGGAH!!!!!

[rhett875]

dude, that sounds fuking awesome!!!! congrats to ya. Now I think you should change your name from hospitory to psychward- drummer because the more I think about this polyrythm, the more it tears a new asshole in my brain. Im gonna need a quack!!!!

[hospitory]

Haha, great comment, thank you very much (I think...!?) =)

[Drumboy81]

Great video!

Very well played and the video quality with the instructions is amazing and very easy to understand. Nicely done...

I'd wish there were more videos like yours...

Drumrolls from Anton Kirkeby, Denmark

[hospitory]

Thanks Anton!

Please feel free to subscribe, hopefully something interesting will come!

/Seb

[erikimba]

good

[hospitory]

Hey, if it´s too easy, sing some dream theater song over it! =)

[Magnum1978]

Very cool dude. Will take this and run with it. I could play 3 of the parts pretty easily, slotting in the forth will take a bit more time, but its only practice :)