She is a nice lady who tell kids that they need to be believe in angels, demons, holy books, holy men and other ideas that have no foundation in reason or bad things, possibly hell will happen to them. But she is a nice lady. That's the problem. Nice people are doing horrible things to children's minds and they think they are providing some sort of service to kids.
I have to admit with this video that the woman you interviewed seemed very sweet and gentle...I disagree with religion, but she handled the situation without getting angry or annoyed....good for her. -Steve-
Who protects American children from these whacked-out ideas guised as respectful thought processes? These folks seem harmless, but harbor old myths that promote violent stories of death and confusion. These women are trying to promote a business under the franchise of main-stream christianity. This is sick and wrong because children should not be abused with mentally harsh stories that involve adult-behavior. Children today need to be forward thinking from the gitgo.
This organization has been around for over 70 years, has had multiple cases in the Supreme Court upholding their constitutional right to do what they do. They are an opt-in only and each child is only allowed to attend with written permission from their parents.
I am surprised in this day of tolerance that so many "open-minded" people are so narrow minded when it comes to religious organizations.
@mvdesigns77 Just because they have a right to do it doesn't mean they are doing right. Religion is based superstition and myth, nothing else. When they tell children there is something wrong with them unless they believe in Jesus as portrayed by them then that might cause kids real problems, especially the thoughtful and skeptical kids.
Tell a kid they are going to hell or need to fear dying unless they accept Jesus is child abuse pure and simple.
@SamWiseGingy- Saying that religion is based only myth and superstition is a bold claim with no real evidence on your side. There are many extremely bright, educated and intellectual people who are Christians. There are plenty of books you can read that establish the historical credibility of Christianity. Millions of people have been raised believing in Jesus and Hell and have turned out just fine. Using terms like child abuse is just inflammatory. Besides...what if it is true?
@mvdesigns77 Beliefs in angels, demons, heaven, hell, holy men, holy books, magic blood, fabricated history, miracle stories, messianic hopes, chosen people, and supernatural intervention in human affairs, all without any appeal to reason qualifies as mythology.
Name me one of your books written that establish the "historical credibility of Jesus Christ." All the ones I have seen are crap.
If you tell your child there is monster under the bed that will get them that's abuse. Hell is the same
Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell-It is 800 pages and written by a sceptic who was trying to prove there was no evidence for Jesus, but found a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig- the first chapter in particular "How Do I Know Christianity Is True"
What's So Great About Christianity by Dinesh D'Sousa- He has a chapter on is Christianity Child Abuse.
@mvdesigns77 McDowell,Craig and D'sousa are exactly the kind of crap I am talking about. They convince only Christians and offer nothing to reasoning critical minds.
Cornelius Tacitus-.described as the greatest historian of Rome. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. Tacitus affirms that the founder of Christianity, was executed by Pilate, the procurator of Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity. It would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never existed, but he did not.
There is nothing in Tacitius that would suggest their is anything supernatural about Jesus, nor can you know that Tacitius was doing anything but quoting Christians. So you have a record that establishes the myth of Christianity arose in the first century. That's what you have.
Josephus-Jewish historian. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead!
Lucian of Samosata-Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. Lucian was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that Christians worshipped a man.
@mvdesigns77 Wow a character named Jesus gets a few dubious mentions in a history or two and you think that's credible evidence that he was King of King's and Lord of Lord's. You may be able to make a case that somebody named Jesus existed in Palestine at the beginning of the common era, but you are long way from establishing that there was anything supernatural about him.
@SamWiseGingy-I was just responding to your request to establish the "historical credibility of Jesus Christ." And these are just a few examples. Obviously that doesn't prove he is God. It takes much more than we can go into on YouTube. You just dismiss all this as obvious made up mythology. I am just showing you, and whoever else is reading that there is reason, fact and logic behind Christianity. If you are open minded enough to look at it.
@mvdesigns77 The fact that there is no history to establish anything supernatural about Jesus means that that beliefs in a supernatural Jesus is belief in mythology, not history. Beliefs without reasons are unreasonable.
I see that you don't want to engage in any of my other questions. I am just going to leave it at this. There is a lot of true harmful destructive and evil in the world. There is also a lot of great causes that need help. Instead of attacking a group that is teaching kids to be kind and respectful, love their neighbors, give to the needy and that there is something greater than themselves, why not spend time and energy doing good or fighting real evil?
@SamWiseGingy- Can you prove Hell, angels, demons etc.. DON'T exist? You can look under the bed and see there is no monster, so that is a lie a verifiable lie told to harm the child. There is good evidence both for and against Hell. You just saying it is mythology isn't enough.
@SamWiseGingy -If it is POSSIBLE there is a Hell and it is POSSIBLE that Jesus is the way to escape it then telling our kids that is our basic responsibility as parents. If there is a possibility that they can hit crossing the street I tell them so. If they can get STD by having unprotected sex I tell them that. They decide what to do with that information.
She claims there were eyewitnesses to christs ascension into heaven. Thats a rather vague claim since not one ever independantly wrote about this rather unusual event. And as for the "ice cream" woman at 7:30 she is conveinetly casting aside the "questionable" incidents and events which would morally question oneself as to why they wish to believe. I am an anti-theist so i am very against the latter monotheisms and their teachings.
@bradjbourgeois73 The problem is the ideas, not the people. The idea that humanity is not acceptable to their god unless individuals compromise their reason and come to Jesus.
She is a nice lady who tell kids that they need to be believe in angels, demons, holy books, holy men and other ideas that have no foundation in reason or bad things, possibly hell will happen to them. But she is a nice lady. That's the problem. Nice people are doing horrible things to children's minds and they think they are providing some sort of service to kids.
SamWiseGingy 5 months ago
I have to admit with this video that the woman you interviewed seemed very sweet and gentle...I disagree with religion, but she handled the situation without getting angry or annoyed....good for her. -Steve-
OceanTownPictures 5 months ago
Love the look they give you when you tell them they are in a public place.
a300pilotster 6 months ago
Who protects American children from these whacked-out ideas guised as respectful thought processes? These folks seem harmless, but harbor old myths that promote violent stories of death and confusion. These women are trying to promote a business under the franchise of main-stream christianity. This is sick and wrong because children should not be abused with mentally harsh stories that involve adult-behavior. Children today need to be forward thinking from the gitgo.
mariojragucci2 7 months ago
This organization has been around for over 70 years, has had multiple cases in the Supreme Court upholding their constitutional right to do what they do. They are an opt-in only and each child is only allowed to attend with written permission from their parents.
I am surprised in this day of tolerance that so many "open-minded" people are so narrow minded when it comes to religious organizations.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 Just because they have a right to do it doesn't mean they are doing right. Religion is based superstition and myth, nothing else. When they tell children there is something wrong with them unless they believe in Jesus as portrayed by them then that might cause kids real problems, especially the thoughtful and skeptical kids.
Tell a kid they are going to hell or need to fear dying unless they accept Jesus is child abuse pure and simple.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy- Saying that religion is based only myth and superstition is a bold claim with no real evidence on your side. There are many extremely bright, educated and intellectual people who are Christians. There are plenty of books you can read that establish the historical credibility of Christianity. Millions of people have been raised believing in Jesus and Hell and have turned out just fine. Using terms like child abuse is just inflammatory. Besides...what if it is true?
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 Beliefs in angels, demons, heaven, hell, holy men, holy books, magic blood, fabricated history, miracle stories, messianic hopes, chosen people, and supernatural intervention in human affairs, all without any appeal to reason qualifies as mythology.
Name me one of your books written that establish the "historical credibility of Jesus Christ." All the ones I have seen are crap.
If you tell your child there is monster under the bed that will get them that's abuse. Hell is the same
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy-Here are a few books:
Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell-It is 800 pages and written by a sceptic who was trying to prove there was no evidence for Jesus, but found a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
Reasonable Faith by William Lane Craig- the first chapter in particular "How Do I Know Christianity Is True"
What's So Great About Christianity by Dinesh D'Sousa- He has a chapter on is Christianity Child Abuse.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 McDowell,Craig and D'sousa are exactly the kind of crap I am talking about. They convince only Christians and offer nothing to reasoning critical minds.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy-Have you read them?
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy-Reasoning minds or closed minds?
Cornelius Tacitus-.described as the greatest historian of Rome. His most famous works are the Annals and the Histories. Tacitus affirms that the founder of Christianity, was executed by Pilate, the procurator of Judea during the reign of the Roman emperor Tiberias. Tacitus was hostile to Christianity. It would have therefore been in his interests to declare that Jesus had never existed, but he did not.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77
There is nothing in Tacitius that would suggest their is anything supernatural about Jesus, nor can you know that Tacitius was doing anything but quoting Christians. So you have a record that establishes the myth of Christianity arose in the first century. That's what you have.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy
Josephus-Jewish historian. He wrote the Jewish Antiquites and in one famous passage described Jesus as a wise man, a doer of wonderful works and calls him the Christ. He also affirmed that Jesus was executed by Pilate and actually rose from the dead!
Lucian of Samosata-Greek satirist of the latter half of the second century. Lucian was hostile to Christianity and openly mocked it. He particularly objected to the fact that Christians worshipped a man.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 Wow a character named Jesus gets a few dubious mentions in a history or two and you think that's credible evidence that he was King of King's and Lord of Lord's. You may be able to make a case that somebody named Jesus existed in Palestine at the beginning of the common era, but you are long way from establishing that there was anything supernatural about him.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy-I was just responding to your request to establish the "historical credibility of Jesus Christ." And these are just a few examples. Obviously that doesn't prove he is God. It takes much more than we can go into on YouTube. You just dismiss all this as obvious made up mythology. I am just showing you, and whoever else is reading that there is reason, fact and logic behind Christianity. If you are open minded enough to look at it.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 The fact that there is no history to establish anything supernatural about Jesus means that that beliefs in a supernatural Jesus is belief in mythology, not history. Beliefs without reasons are unreasonable.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy-Again, not a fact.
I see that you don't want to engage in any of my other questions. I am just going to leave it at this. There is a lot of true harmful destructive and evil in the world. There is also a lot of great causes that need help. Instead of attacking a group that is teaching kids to be kind and respectful, love their neighbors, give to the needy and that there is something greater than themselves, why not spend time and energy doing good or fighting real evil?
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 If teaching kids to be kind and respectful didn't involve blood myths and holy books then it would probably be a good thing.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@mvdesigns77 The Josephus quote in dubious. Century century accounts do nothing to establish your claims.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy- Can you prove Hell, angels, demons etc.. DON'T exist? You can look under the bed and see there is no monster, so that is a lie a verifiable lie told to harm the child. There is good evidence both for and against Hell. You just saying it is mythology isn't enough.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy -If it is POSSIBLE there is a Hell and it is POSSIBLE that Jesus is the way to escape it then telling our kids that is our basic responsibility as parents. If there is a possibility that they can hit crossing the street I tell them so. If they can get STD by having unprotected sex I tell them that. They decide what to do with that information.
mvdesigns77 7 months ago
Hmm...reminds me of the seven project youth alive stuff i was once like associated with.
RandomBS88 7 months ago
even though she is clearly a nice person, she must be held accountable for her beliefs....
TheGreatLyger 7 months ago
She claims there were eyewitnesses to christs ascension into heaven. Thats a rather vague claim since not one ever independantly wrote about this rather unusual event. And as for the "ice cream" woman at 7:30 she is conveinetly casting aside the "questionable" incidents and events which would morally question oneself as to why they wish to believe. I am an anti-theist so i am very against the latter monotheisms and their teachings.
Killer0fTheSun 7 months ago
The lady in the black flower shirt was so nice, if all "christians" acted like her I would not have a problem them.
bradjbourgeois73 7 months ago
@bradjbourgeois73 The problem is the ideas, not the people. The idea that humanity is not acceptable to their god unless individuals compromise their reason and come to Jesus.
SamWiseGingy 7 months ago
@SamWiseGingy Well, since you put it that way... I definitely disagree with their ideas.
bradjbourgeois73 7 months ago