#2 indicates wath kind of lier she truly is, wich you beliefe,
#4 she claimed she was abused and beaten and forced to mary an muslim, all becouse of her religion, she was an sort of feminist champion, but becouse of the documentary she was exposed that everything she said was an lie to rise her fame, and becouse of these discusting lie, she was kicked out of the parlement,. haha.
#5 the impact is she is an LIER, she is an FRAUD, she is an hate spewing lier,
@erhan2brother Please google "ad hominem", and, in the future, address her arguments, not on her person.
I don't care if she is a "fraud" or a "liar" about the story of her life. There is no way for me to know because I don't know her personally. Neither do you, I'd wager, so stop presuming things.
And again: What does any of that matter for this video? Her arguments are valid. The facts are verifiable. It's not "hate spewing", it's just the truth. Seems you don't like to hear it.
"and why do you pursist that its not relavent that she lies about everthing, and stil claim she ahs facts?"
Because I don't give a damn about authority. I couldn't care less who says something if the facts behind it are verifiable. And they ARE. Look them up in your holy book, or google.
"and why dont you agnolidge that this women is an fraud?"
Because that is NOT verfiable. I cannot acknowledge what I cannot know. It's called honesty.
@GreyLabyrinthine as a translator (finnish, arabic, hebrew and french) i know really well arabic, and what everybody translate edribuhuna (from darab) as beat, has actually many meaning: forsake, avoid and beat..., in the coran when i read it in arabic and english this verb is used more than 50 times but only in that verse of women it is translated as beat. it is more logical to have the two first meaning to let things ease down between the couple, so the ones to blame are the people not Quran
@darklightraven I don't think this comment was meant for me, for it's a bit non-sequitur. But if it is: Interesting, I've never heard that before. Ultimately, it's meaningless though. There seems to be a consensus among muslim scholars that actually, it does mean "beat", and they just argue about the permitted width and breadth of the stick.
And really, forsaking and avoiding is so much better??
And also: Does the quran say that women are inferior beings, yes or no?
@GreyLabyrinthine forsake and ALSO avoid: yes it is better, when two people are angry they must avoid each others for a while and let the things ease down then talk about it. no in the quran it is not said that women are inferior, i know what verse you refer to, it is said in arabic KAWAMUN which means responsible for (in providing money and living for) as parents are KAWAMUN for their children, and not superior as many "non muslims" translate it and also non speaking arabic muslims like afghans
@darklightraven Then why doesn't the book say something like "when you're fighting, try to talk about it"? Why doesn't it advise talking AT ALL? Stupid book.
Ahh, so women are to men what children are to parents? And children can and should be beaten for educational purposes? And children are spoken *for* by their parents, right? They don't have their own voice in the public sphere?
This equation is not putting the book in a good light at all.
@GreyLabyrinthine you see you interpret things like a stubburn would do, have i said women are like kids? i just explained the meaning of kawamun(parents are responsible for their kids and take care of them right? ) this is the meaning and not that women are like children, and again misinterpret in a purpose what i said, i said it is not beat but avoid, so no you shouldn't beat your kids, everywhere in the world women seek a man who protects them and takes care of them so are they children???
@GreyLabyrinthine now why it is not said just talk about it? i guess you have a brain to figure it out your self, but i guess you won't cause you already have your idea and can't think twice. the reason is cause it is sometimes impossible to do so when some one is angry, so they should take a time and ease the anger then talk about it. we europeans or westerns we always think we know everything about quran even when we haven't ever read it, we just read from google some anti-muslim pages (cont)
@darklightraven "so they should take a time and ease the anger then talk about it." Your youtube comment is a more helpful advisor than a holy book. Congratulations, you've just exceeded "Allah". If the book clearly said something along the lines of "don't be arseholes, talk to your wife, talk to your husband, and make peace", people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali wouldn't be needed. Instead it says "avoid her (and maybe beat her, depending on whom you ask)". Not very helpful.
@GreyLabyrinthine part2: we just read from wikiislam or some anti-muslim sites and we refer to them and think we know islam, from 9/11 more westerns converted to islam than ever and this is cause they wanted to know this terror religion and the reasons that push "islamists" to act so, and they found only kindness and the oposit what the media says, i'm a finnish guy, and know how our sicieties think but as a translator i read quran in arabic and saw the difference of misinterpretations
@darklightraven "or some anti-muslim sites"... like youtube, where you can see videos of muftis discussing on television what a husband can legally do to his wife due to the quran and the hadith and so on.
I know that the media are pushing a more extremely misogynistic image onto the religion than it deserves. But it is not, by whatever interpretation, an egalitarian religion.
@GreyLabyrinthine just to close the paranthese: there are more women (thousands every years in europe only) in europe that die from beating up from her hasband than in muslim countries,
@GreyLabyrinthine Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. ("Women and Violence," Hearings before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, August 29 and December 11, 1990, Senate Hearing 101-939, pt. 1, p. 12.)
One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. (Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991).
@GreyLabyrinthine In 1992, the American Medical Association reported that as many as 1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a domestic partner in her lifetime -- 4 million in any given year. ("When Violence Hits Home." Time. June 4, 1994). Police report that between 40% and 60% of the calls they receive, especially on the night shift, are domestic violence disputes. (Carrillo, Roxann "Violence Against Women: An Obstacle to Development," Human Development Report, 1990)
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 4.19: ‘It is not lawful for you to try to hold your wives against their will, and neither shall you keep them under constraint with a view to taking away anything of what you may have given them (ie. their marital mahr payment) unless it be that they have become guilty of immoral conduct in an obvious manner. Consort with your wives in a goodly manner; for if you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something which Allah might yet make a source of abundant good
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 4.19: ‘It is not lawful for you to try to hold your wives against their will, and neither shall you keep them under constraint with a view to taking away anything of what you may have given them (ie. their marital mahr payment) unless it be that they have become guilty of immoral conduct in an obvious manner. Consort with your wives in a goodly manner; for if you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something which Allah might yet make a source of abundant good
@GreyLabyrinthine in everything one should use a mothodology that is good, not take out of context... i gave you a verse from the same chapter and again from the same chapter i give you this, Surah 4.1:‘O humanity! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created you from one single living entity, and out of it created its mate, and from the two shall spread a multitude of males and females. Remain conscious of God, in whose name you expect your rights from one another, and the ties of kindship.’
@darklightraven Oh, that's beautiful! If only the guy who alledgedly wrote it down had kept his mouth shut from then on and not written and said things like "women are fields and you can plow them whichever way you like" and "menstruation is filthy" and "men are a degree above men" and "a men's testimony equals that of two women" and "if your woman is 'lewd' lock her up forever" and "men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other".
@GreyLabyrinthine 1rst Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, and not your field, this is that you have the right to have sexual intercourse with your wife (not with a woman you're not married to) and it is an example on how human are created, the seed and the place of sowing (field),2- menstuation is blood, and everybody know that having sexual intercourse while the woman has period there is greater risk of getting sexual transmiting illnesses ( review science)
@darklightraven "Your wive is a human being. Not a piece of soil. You don't have the right to anyone else's sexual favour, or a right to command over her reproductive rights. They are priviledges given to you freely by her." There we go. A lot better.
@darklightraven Yes, I did encounter that word. Did you ever encounter a field? It just lies there, says nothing and can't/won't defend itself when it is plowed. Also, it is owned by someone. You must be a man, or you wouldn't be so fucking insensitive. This is a metaphor that degrades women to objects and possessions.
@GreyLabyrinthine degrades women? this is your perverted mind that tells you this, if you know history and religions, you would know that before islam women didn't have any statue or rights, some of them were burried alive when they are born, some burnt alive (still nowadays in some south american countries) because they think they are witches...
@darklightraven Wow. You really are a man. You have no idea whatsoever about being a woman in this world. I explained that the field-metaphor is degrading (to me as a woman), and why. Would you like to actually address this point, or would you just like to keep evading?
@GreyLabyrinthine If a wife fears ill-treatment (nushuz) or desertion on her husband’s part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves, and such settlement is best…..’ (Surah 4.128).
@darklightraven All the comments in which you quote surahs from that ruqauyyah.karoo - page: Let me refer you back to my comment 30 minutes ago. Beautiful, all of them, and contradicted in the same book or by the same guy just a bit later on, and fuzzy in their meaning and wishy-washy and therefore utterly useless as advise, and a bad basis to build a religion (or even a relationship) on.
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 9.71: ‘As for believers, both men and women, they are (to be) friends and protectors of one another, encouraging the doing of what is right and preventing the doing of what is wrong; they are constant in prayer, and pay the zakah on their wealth, and pay heed to Allah and His Messenger.’
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 42.41-42: ‘If any help or defend themselves (ie act in self-defence) after some wrong done to them, they are not held to blame for that. The blame lies only with those who oppress in wrongdoing, and insolently transgress beyond bounds, defying right and justice; there will be a serious penalty for them.’ (cont)
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 42.41-42: This verse seems perfectly applicable to the case of a wife trying to defend herself from an abusive spouse; if the abuser ‘got away with it’ in this lifetime, he would most certainly face the judgement of Allah in the next
@erhan2brother Brother dear, she told you to go and read the rest of the quote. Did it say what it says? Does Quran allow the beating of women? Instead of looking at and following the evidence, you are simply engaging in ad homenium attacks which are not considered good debating moves.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT so much for debating, she said in the koran it says you may kill non muslims,
while in the koran it says if the non muslims is killing youre poeple or persuing the the muslims, than and only than you may kill non muslims, but if the non muslims stop, than you muslims must also stop, becouse aallah hates the agresives, youre fraud hero is cutting the context. namely, you may defend youre selfs. but ayaan says no just kill non muslims, why wont you islamofoobs wantto understand
Surah 4, verse 34: "Men are in charge of women by what allah has given one over another and what spend from their wealth. So, righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear arrogance - advise them; forsake them in bed; and strike them. But if they obey you, seek no means against them. Indeed, allah is exalted and grand."
@FreeTibetChinaOUT I say you lie and you are cuttung the context like every muslim hater it says, quote,
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. next page line it says
@FreeTibetChinaOUT youre cuttung the context obviously, Im keep quoting the koran,
So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and youre just quoting sura 4 but in sura 5 it says if youre wife is not reasonable, for instance she steals or gambles orso, than send an arbitrator to talk it out, youre cutting the context again, Im keep quoting the entire line,
And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things].
and may I ask this about youre western superior religion cristianity,
in the first testimony in the bible, in zacharia 14.2.1 it says kill the men RAPE THE WOMEN, and divide the loot, that is the bible, but heck we muslims have an much more worse religion acordingt o you xenofoobs, cutting the context and pasting to spread youre lies,
the prophet sasy never beat youre wife, if she steals or gambles, or other evil deeds talk with her in the best and respectable ways,
@FreeTibetChinaOUT our prophet talked about that verse and he said if youre wife is stealing or abusing inocent humans or another evil deed, than talk with her in the best and respectable ways, but if she still keeps comiting sinns, than strike her, but she may not bleed or be bruised, and if she is still even more arogant than leave her be with the best and respectable way, the prophet said do not beat youre wife for no reason for she is not youre property,
@FreeTibetChinaOUT our prophet said if you want to mary an women, than if youre capable you must give her gold, she doesnt have to work, but men must work, why wont you xenofoobs ever stick up for us muslim guys?
@erhan2brother : I did not include surah 4, verse 35 because it is not relevant to the topic. You know these are all progression from talking to striking and finally if still problem persist, then to find an arbitrator and get a divorce. Please don't try to make me out to be the bad guy when I am quoting directly from Quran. SO, you agree that STRIKING is allowed in Quran then? or did I quote it out of context? That is called domestic abuse in modern world. It has no place in 21st century.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT so much for domestic violence, you cant beat bruse or bleed some one, only one strike. and if it doesnt work than leave her alone. but it says clearly if the women is stealing or abusing someone,
the punishment of women is relatively good if you compare to us men, we have the law. if we men abuse some one we have our uncles or fathers, that would strike men, becouse women arent the good candidate, or if you live in an sharia nation,men are being beaten by cops,if we abuse etc
@erhan2brother: I thought you said there is no violence against women in a previous statement but you now tell me it is ok to strike (only one strike - I wonder where you made that up). so, you clearly lied to me. And once again, you give me irrelevant examples of what Christ said (there is only one verse which is still debated as to its meaning) while the Quran is full of such examples. If there is a problem, you always go to the source. Muhammud himself boast of killing 600-700 himself. cont.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT you should read better, if an man or women is abusing or stealing, acordong to islam they must be punished, the man have worse punishments than women, so no Im not telling lies, and 1 strike, she amy not bleed or bruise its only pushing, period, why wont you agnolidge that the bible in zacharia 14.2.1 says kill the men RAPE the women and divide the loot? Im waiting for an reply?
@erhan2brother: the problem is the punishment itself. If Allah is so great and everythig is going to be evened out in heaven, why do you guys have to act on his behalf? Is Allah busy elsewhere? It is a man made religion drawn up from the backwaters of middleeast and is a plague on humanity. I am completely aware of the bible and like I said, it is another gift from the desert to the rest of humanity. At least Christ didn't wage war and preached real peace.
@erhan2brother: Islam means submission not peace. Peace is a recently invented term to appeal to the west. Islam has one of the bloodiest history in the history of organized religion. Christainity too. Judiasm as well. You are comparing Judiasm of 6000 years old to the present day 7th century Islam. Christainity has changed quite a lot in last few hundred years, thanks to secularism and enlightenment period. Islam is still in the 7th century. Deal with it.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT islam means peace and submiting youre will to allah, just wiki the word, and its not relevant if cristianity changed the original text the first testimony is still the autoritized religion not the 2cond 5the 9th testimony, but the first,
@erhan2brother and islam is in my hart and my country turkey read this and cry,
we dont need reform,
my country turkey is an full member of NATO, we are an economic power, an regional power, an military power,
an politcial power, we have an economic growth of 9%+ while USA EU is in depresion, and even china is booming, and tibet is and always will be an part of china now that we are talking about it,
same gows to moroco qatar etc. and tunisia algeria etc will be an sharia
@erhan2brother ahhh...now you finally admit, half way at least that there is submission involved. Good for you. Tell me something else, does the verses in the later part when Muhammed was in Medina supersede the ones he made in Mecca? You know when he was powerful versus when he was barely trying to survive? Is lying permissable in Islam if it is to protect your faith?
@FreeTibetChinaOUT I dont admit nothing, stop telling lies, stop putting words in my words, i said islam is peace and submitting youre will to god, period, why should I be telling lies, and in islam telling lies for isllam or something else is an sinn,
and no the prophet did nothing to the non muslims in medina, why wont you proof it?
you claim islam is horible while our countrys are 1000 tomes bettr than youre countr tibet hahah. you said is the prophet killed where proof?
@erhan2brother: If Muhammed didn't kill or ordered others to do so, why did he attacked the meccan caravans six times without provocations and who had no defense? Why did he thus asked his followers, ""Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?" and one of his disciples killed her in her sleep for simply insulting Mohammed? And why did he have to kill an old man Abu Afak using his disciple once again? Should i go on? Also in the case of Kab, he even allowed them to lie. cont:
@erhan2brother Cont" Making it ok to lie to kill someone is preposterous and mockery of the word peace. And don't make this argument that Mohammed was weak at the time and he had to do it because he certainly wasn't weak that he would risk upsetting an entire tribe over this (blood feud). He was totally in control of Medina at the time. Where do you think these fanatics get their ideas to issue fatwas against cartoonists and writers?
@erhan2brother Cont; He even put two singers to death for making fun of him. He married a child at 6 and raped her at 9. How is this relevant? Because people today consider Muhammud to be the perfect example to mirror their lives. So, like Ayatollah of Iran who married a 9 year old himself and encouraged others to do too. Likeso, you have no problem killing people for any perceived insult because it is allowed to 'DEFEND' your faith. See..defend can mean any number of things to many people. cont
@FreeTibetChinaOUT oh ? the prophet never ever killed now one, period, you xenofoobs are losing, tunisia algeria egypte syria moroco etc etc, is being more and more ISLAMIC< so youre hatred and lies arent working we are winning, over 20 years islam will be the NO1 religion in the PLANET, haha,
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and our prohet maryd at 7 and had intercourse when our mother aisha was 9, in the midlle ages it was normal to mary at 9 8 7, you know that perfectly well, our national hero an cristian willelmus of nasau also maryd an 14 year old, it was normal in the midleages you know that perfectly well,
but you islamofoobs pusist that there was internet in the year 630, so you think Im ashamed that our prophet maryd someone at 9 haha absolutely not, in 630 it was normal
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and our prophets first wife was 40 and our prophet was 20, it was completley normal in the midle ages you know that, but you pusist it is not so you can spew youre hate, how sad of you, and adres me is you wana talk becouse youre texts arent pointed at me, I saw these lines lately by chance,
and our prohet SAV said if someone insults me or ISLAM< leave him ALONE< period, I dont care wath shias are doing,
@erhan2brother: It might be normal in the backward Middleeast at the time but why is it still being used as an excuse today? Allatollah of Iran himself has taken a Child bride following the 'perfect' example of Muhammud. If whatever Mohammud did was perfect, then logically it follows that it must be ok to rape a 9 year old. hahaha...did you say the prophet said to leave them alone? Remember the Danish cartonist? How about theo van gogh? What about Salman Rushdie? Be honest man.
@erhan2brother And you very well know most of these peaceful verses are only for Muslims as kaffa or infidels don't actually count and even people of the book are treated as Dimmis. For muslims disbelief in allah is offensive and therefore must be purged. So, in effect, this 'defensive' war is in actuality a justified war to cleanse the earth of infidels. I mean all these could be corrected except KORAN is considred the word of God and Muhamud the perfect example. Best of luck with reform.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT nonsense, wath is an kaffa? did you learn that from ayaan who made that up? the peace full verses are only fpr muslims? how do the cristians in turkey indonesia syria etc etc still walk? why arent they killed o\if youre s\telling the truth? wath is dimmis? again you made that up,
and in islam killing is eternal damnasion in hell, exept if it was SELFDEFENSE<.
@erhan2brother Wow! you just lied like a ..oh...thats right, you are a muslim. Never miind. Are you saying there is no word like Dimmi? Or Kaffa? The prophet never killed anyone? I think you need to go back and reread your own history before you tell me otherwise. Self-defense? How did you defend yourself all the way to India? That is the problem, isn't it though? Not believing in Allah is an attack on Islam and you must fight to correct...I mean defend it. We are not fools.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT the prophet never went to india, the prophes SAV always defended his poeple, just like cristians are doing in iraq, killing 650.000 muslims, they call that self defense, so look at the miror first,
and and no there is no such thing as dimi, or kafa, I know my history more than you xenofoobs, and our prophet never killed anyone, proof it ,
and I am an muslim and I never lie about islam unlike you
our prophet said let the be no compulsion, in religion, period,
my country turkey is an full member of NATO, we are an economic power, an regional power, an military power,
an politcial power, we have an economic growth of 9%+ while USA EU is in depresion, and even china is booming, and tibet is and always will be an part of china now that we are talking about it,
same gows to moroco qatar etc. and tunisia algeria etc will be an sharia state, it makes me hapy that you islamofoobs are losing
@erhan2brother: I didn't know Christainity is under discussion. But for your information, even though, I did care about Christainity too, jesus is said to have driven a new convenant between God and the jews, superseding the previous convenant in the old testament. That is why the message of jesus is starkly different from the Old testament. Did Jesus go and wage war? Did Jesus speak of revenge? In any case, bible is not taken literally unlike Islam which is considered the direct word of god.
@FreeTibetChinaOUT religion is under discusion, cristianity is also one part of it,
and you claim jesus never said something about revenge or war? are you claiming that muhammed SAV waged war? or defended his poeple for an period of 2 months war, in his 23 years of prophet hood,
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and I googled the bible the first testimony and jesus aproofed the laws, but he only reminded the poeple that there is one god and he has an son namely him. so dont hide that the first testimony is not relavent, and the bible is taken LITERALY many times, as the 9000 muslims killed by ortodox cristians that were blessed before the killed 9000 muslims,
@FreeTibetChinaOUT ask hitler why he said with the grace of god we will anialate the jews, ask ANDREAS BREIVIK, that used the original first testimony that you claim is not relavent or cristian related, becouse breivik was an fanatical cristian, how do you explain that?
or do you beliefe that we muslims are the real and only evil on the planet like ayaan?
@erhan2brother Brother dear, she told you to go and read the rest of the quote. Did it say what it says? Does Quran allow the beating of women? Instead of looking at and following the evidence, you are simply engaging in ad hominem attacks which are not considered good debating moves.
Ayaan feels compelled to do unto others what she inflicts upon herself i.e erase her own identity – hoping to thus avoid the excruciating pains of her narcissist destructive analyses.I feel sorry for Niall Ferguson, as living with a narcissist is very much like being in a maximum security prison.
Ayaan, the narcissist that she is, projects her "civil war" and tries to drag everyone around her into a swirl of bitterness, suspiciousness, meanness, aggression and pettiness. Her life is a reflection of her psychological landscape: barren, paranoiac, tormented, guilt ridden.
You listen to all the propagandist neocon lies instead of doing the research yourself. Ayaan's call for Muslims to convert to Christianity is ridiculous, because any Muslim who was taught properly would know that Jesus (Isa in Islam) is a highly revered prophet of God.
Quran 5:32: "For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), but afterwards lo! Many of them become prodigals of the earth." Note: "Children of Israel"
She is lying about the verse...must be if she's literate. I looked up that verse and read the following ten verses or so. The exceptions are "those who wage war against God" and "strive with might and main for mischief through the land." (Ali) That is, Muslims have a right to defend themselves. I'm no lover of Islam - the Qur'an condemns me to eternal torture every two verses; a sick doctrine - but I will always be honest and fair in my criticism and this woman just lied to push her agenda.
lol! You gotta love the guy who says the women have it good, it's the MEN who are slaves! The woman "gets to stay home" while the man slaves outside in the world. :P
This is exactly the same line of thinking as the muslim clerics who are now taking the line that when a man beats a woman, he "honors her" by beating her; because he is "correcting her" for her own good (!). You can find that perverted line of reasoning on YouTube if you look up clerics on wife beating.
"He who kills one person, kills all people". So says The Prophet, who slaughtered thousands, boasted of killing 600 himself, and murdered a Jewish woman's father, brother and child, before "marrying" her, and raping her that very night. Pity that poor woman, with this evil thing on top of her. What must she have felt? Blessed? That the Prophet of God who murdered her family and child was raping her? Of COURSE she should feel blessed! He married her, didn't he? So it's not rape....
“We are at war with Islam... you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy."
-Ayaan.(Nov, 2007),Reason Magazine, November 2007, Interviewer: Rogier van Bakel
This to me is unfortunately a death threat and precursor to genocide,& not progressive or peaceful talk!
@We ARE at WAR with ISLAM! Islam decrees its goal the destruction of secular society, civil freedom and rational inquiry. Islam holds billions in stifling medieval bondage and wishes to extend its slavery to all humanity. Islam is an insult to reason and decency and a mortal danger to human survival and must be destroyed!! BTW, Islam is a VILE CULT, NOT A RACE. Whatever means are ultimately used to eradicate Islam can thus never be called genocide.
Anders Behring Breivik, Norwegian psychopathic killer, mass murderer and right-wing extremist, in his 1,500-page manifesto, makes several complimentary references to Ayaan.
@fromwilliams When someone comits atrocity in the name of Mohammed you write it off as a misinterpretation, but when the same thing happens with Hirsi Ali its proof she's evil. Except the real wolrd doesn't quite work that way. There are any number of lines in the Quran justifying murder, there are no such lines in Hirsi Ali's books. You make political capital out of this human tragedy, yet your religion commands you to belive most of those killed are on their way to hell
MUSLIMS ALWAYS QUOTE 5:32 TO SHOW THAT ISLAM IS PEACE. BUT LOOK WELL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT 5:32 IS NOT VERY MODERATE. IT SAYS: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or FOR SPREADING MISCHIEF in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people. WHO ARE THOSE WHO SPREAD MISCHIEF IN THE LAND? THE INFIDEL. THIS TEXT ACTUALLY TELLS YOU THAT YOU CANNOT KILL A MUSLIM BUT YOU CAN KILL AN INFIDEL. 5:51 TELLS US THAT CHRISTIANS ARE PERVERTS, ETC
“We are at war with Islam... you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy."
Reason Magazine, November 2007, Interviewer: Rogier van Bakel
-Ayaan.(Nov, 2007)
She is an active bigot, who attacks Islam, Muslims, the faith and its 1.6 billion adherents by calling on genocide. She is an abhorrent and disgusting human being.
The fact remains Ayaan has failed,absolutely failed,to correctly identify the real cause of her alleged injustice.Her reactions are nihilistic. In the long term, Ayaan counts for nothing & she accomplishes nothing.Her diatribe is irrelevant.Philosophical discourse is almost dead.
A handful of equally misguided and gullible people will find solace and validation for their own ethical imbalances for a short time.
@3vi14n931 The YouTube user "fromwilliams" for whom you responded to posts that quote of his on literally EVERY Ayaan video he can find! He is like a parrot repeating the same thing over and over and yes you are right, he cannot refute her arguments and he never has, all he does is as you say is attack Ayaan personally.
Stigmatising, demonising, or ridiculing groups of people with whom the West has had long colonial relations creates and perpetuates negative stereotypes in public opinion, discriminating against Muslims settled in our countries, preventing our societies from experiencing solidarity with Muslim women.
We think we are supporting their emancipation,we are actually supporting those authoritarian powers responsible for their predicament as the targets of legal discrimination.
@fromwilliams First of all, the Koran as well as its other brethren, the Torah and Bible, do allowed to discriminate against women, didn't emancipate slaves, didn't guarantee freedom of the individual, and all three books allowed for barbaric practices that are unacceptable today. you can't just point out to western discrimination and pointing to yours. People have mostly abandoned the used of biblical scripture as our moral barometer because we've come up b with better alternatives.
@fromwilliams If a group believes that its book is the inherent words of god and everything in it is perfect, then that group will never allowed logical and critical examination of its content. And the group will resist and fight against any change that doesn't conform to its religious dogma. Let's call these books, the Bible, for generations, Christians have always resisted changes such as based on scientific inquiries. Today, the Muslim world is behaving in the same way in many aspects.
@fromwilliams, she doesn't believe in an invisible sky daddy, or worship a pedophile. That makes her about ten times more moral and twenty times smarter than you.
Oh my God she is brilliant and tremendously intelligent. All women should be fearless and bright like her, she is a true role model.
waiting4smtin 1 week ago
1 ayaan hisrsi ali lied about that she was an fugitive,
2 her real name is ayaan hisrhsi magan.
2 they made an documentary and filmed there family and ex husband and every thing she said was an lie to spew her hatred against muslims,
4 she was kicked out of he cabinet of the netherlands becouse she lied that she was an poor women opressed and threatend by ther family,
5 she admited that she still vissites her family regulary, in basis, while she as threatened to be killed by her dad etc
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@erhan2brother About the first #2: What do we care?
#4 in particular: So what?
#5 What do you mean by that?
and #1 -# 5: How do you know, and what impact would any of this have on anything she said in the video?
GreyLabyrinthine 4 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine
#2 indicates wath kind of lier she truly is, wich you beliefe,
#4 she claimed she was abused and beaten and forced to mary an muslim, all becouse of her religion, she was an sort of feminist champion, but becouse of the documentary she was exposed that everything she said was an lie to rise her fame, and becouse of these discusting lie, she was kicked out of the parlement,. haha.
#5 the impact is she is an LIER, she is an FRAUD, she is an hate spewing lier,
do you beliefe her?
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@erhan2brother Please google "ad hominem", and, in the future, address her arguments, not on her person.
I don't care if she is a "fraud" or a "liar" about the story of her life. There is no way for me to know because I don't know her personally. Neither do you, I'd wager, so stop presuming things.
And again: What does any of that matter for this video? Her arguments are valid. The facts are verifiable. It's not "hate spewing", it's just the truth. Seems you don't like to hear it.
GreyLabyrinthine 4 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine thanks for the tip' but you need more than only google to understand the facts,
you dont care that she is an fraud and still you beliefe her words in this program?
isnt there some contradictory?
Im telling you that she is tellling lies in this program as well,
this women is telling lies about her life that she was abused BECOUSE OF ISLAM, and she claimes her life was AEFULL becouse of ISLAM,
non muslims EXPOSED THAT SHE IS AN LIER,
do you still think she is credible?
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine bwa? she is telling something that is not an lie?
and she has no arguments only spewing of hatred and lies,
and why dont you agnolidge that this women is an fraud?
becouse its sad that you would beliefe an hate spewing lyier?
and I love to hear here facts if she got any,
but she is telling only lies,
islam means peace, not hate or killing or raping as she said,
and why do you pursist that its not relavent that she lies about everthing, and stil claim she ahs facts?
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@erhan2brother
"and why do you pursist that its not relavent that she lies about everthing, and stil claim she ahs facts?"
Because I don't give a damn about authority. I couldn't care less who says something if the facts behind it are verifiable. And they ARE. Look them up in your holy book, or google.
"and why dont you agnolidge that this women is an fraud?"
Because that is NOT verfiable. I cannot acknowledge what I cannot know. It's called honesty.
GreyLabyrinthine 4 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine as a translator (finnish, arabic, hebrew and french) i know really well arabic, and what everybody translate edribuhuna (from darab) as beat, has actually many meaning: forsake, avoid and beat..., in the coran when i read it in arabic and english this verb is used more than 50 times but only in that verse of women it is translated as beat. it is more logical to have the two first meaning to let things ease down between the couple, so the ones to blame are the people not Quran
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@darklightraven I don't think this comment was meant for me, for it's a bit non-sequitur. But if it is: Interesting, I've never heard that before. Ultimately, it's meaningless though. There seems to be a consensus among muslim scholars that actually, it does mean "beat", and they just argue about the permitted width and breadth of the stick.
And really, forsaking and avoiding is so much better??
And also: Does the quran say that women are inferior beings, yes or no?
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine forsake and ALSO avoid: yes it is better, when two people are angry they must avoid each others for a while and let the things ease down then talk about it. no in the quran it is not said that women are inferior, i know what verse you refer to, it is said in arabic KAWAMUN which means responsible for (in providing money and living for) as parents are KAWAMUN for their children, and not superior as many "non muslims" translate it and also non speaking arabic muslims like afghans
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven Then why doesn't the book say something like "when you're fighting, try to talk about it"? Why doesn't it advise talking AT ALL? Stupid book.
Ahh, so women are to men what children are to parents? And children can and should be beaten for educational purposes? And children are spoken *for* by their parents, right? They don't have their own voice in the public sphere?
This equation is not putting the book in a good light at all.
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine you see you interpret things like a stubburn would do, have i said women are like kids? i just explained the meaning of kawamun(parents are responsible for their kids and take care of them right? ) this is the meaning and not that women are like children, and again misinterpret in a purpose what i said, i said it is not beat but avoid, so no you shouldn't beat your kids, everywhere in the world women seek a man who protects them and takes care of them so are they children???
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine now why it is not said just talk about it? i guess you have a brain to figure it out your self, but i guess you won't cause you already have your idea and can't think twice. the reason is cause it is sometimes impossible to do so when some one is angry, so they should take a time and ease the anger then talk about it. we europeans or westerns we always think we know everything about quran even when we haven't ever read it, we just read from google some anti-muslim pages (cont)
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven "so they should take a time and ease the anger then talk about it." Your youtube comment is a more helpful advisor than a holy book. Congratulations, you've just exceeded "Allah". If the book clearly said something along the lines of "don't be arseholes, talk to your wife, talk to your husband, and make peace", people like Ayaan Hirsi Ali wouldn't be needed. Instead it says "avoid her (and maybe beat her, depending on whom you ask)". Not very helpful.
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine part2: we just read from wikiislam or some anti-muslim sites and we refer to them and think we know islam, from 9/11 more westerns converted to islam than ever and this is cause they wanted to know this terror religion and the reasons that push "islamists" to act so, and they found only kindness and the oposit what the media says, i'm a finnish guy, and know how our sicieties think but as a translator i read quran in arabic and saw the difference of misinterpretations
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven "or some anti-muslim sites"... like youtube, where you can see videos of muftis discussing on television what a husband can legally do to his wife due to the quran and the hadith and so on.
I know that the media are pushing a more extremely misogynistic image onto the religion than it deserves. But it is not, by whatever interpretation, an egalitarian religion.
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine just to close the paranthese: there are more women (thousands every years in europe only) in europe that die from beating up from her hasband than in muslim countries,
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. ("Women and Violence," Hearings before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, August 29 and December 11, 1990, Senate Hearing 101-939, pt. 1, p. 12.)
One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. (Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991).
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine In 1992, the American Medical Association reported that as many as 1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a domestic partner in her lifetime -- 4 million in any given year. ("When Violence Hits Home." Time. June 4, 1994). Police report that between 40% and 60% of the calls they receive, especially on the night shift, are domestic violence disputes. (Carrillo, Roxann "Violence Against Women: An Obstacle to Development," Human Development Report, 1990)
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 4.19: ‘It is not lawful for you to try to hold your wives against their will, and neither shall you keep them under constraint with a view to taking away anything of what you may have given them (ie. their marital mahr payment) unless it be that they have become guilty of immoral conduct in an obvious manner. Consort with your wives in a goodly manner; for if you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something which Allah might yet make a source of abundant good
darklightraven 2 months ago
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@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 4.19: ‘It is not lawful for you to try to hold your wives against their will, and neither shall you keep them under constraint with a view to taking away anything of what you may have given them (ie. their marital mahr payment) unless it be that they have become guilty of immoral conduct in an obvious manner. Consort with your wives in a goodly manner; for if you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something which Allah might yet make a source of abundant good
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine in everything one should use a mothodology that is good, not take out of context... i gave you a verse from the same chapter and again from the same chapter i give you this, Surah 4.1:‘O humanity! Be conscious of your Sustainer, who has created you from one single living entity, and out of it created its mate, and from the two shall spread a multitude of males and females. Remain conscious of God, in whose name you expect your rights from one another, and the ties of kindship.’
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven Oh, that's beautiful! If only the guy who alledgedly wrote it down had kept his mouth shut from then on and not written and said things like "women are fields and you can plow them whichever way you like" and "menstruation is filthy" and "men are a degree above men" and "a men's testimony equals that of two women" and "if your woman is 'lewd' lock her up forever" and "men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other".
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine 1rst Your wives are a place of sowing of seed for you, and not your field, this is that you have the right to have sexual intercourse with your wife (not with a woman you're not married to) and it is an example on how human are created, the seed and the place of sowing (field),2- menstuation is blood, and everybody know that having sexual intercourse while the woman has period there is greater risk of getting sexual transmiting illnesses ( review science)
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven "Your wive is a human being. Not a piece of soil. You don't have the right to anyone else's sexual favour, or a right to command over her reproductive rights. They are priviledges given to you freely by her." There we go. A lot better.
"greater risk of..." source?
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine really???? she is not soil???? thanx for the information, you know what is metaphor? did you encounter that term ever?
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven Yes, I did encounter that word. Did you ever encounter a field? It just lies there, says nothing and can't/won't defend itself when it is plowed. Also, it is owned by someone. You must be a man, or you wouldn't be so fucking insensitive. This is a metaphor that degrades women to objects and possessions.
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine degrades women? this is your perverted mind that tells you this, if you know history and religions, you would know that before islam women didn't have any statue or rights, some of them were burried alive when they are born, some burnt alive (still nowadays in some south american countries) because they think they are witches...
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven Wow. You really are a man. You have no idea whatsoever about being a woman in this world. I explained that the field-metaphor is degrading (to me as a woman), and why. Would you like to actually address this point, or would you just like to keep evading?
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine If a wife fears ill-treatment (nushuz) or desertion on her husband’s part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves, and such settlement is best…..’ (Surah 4.128).
darklightraven 2 months ago
@darklightraven All the comments in which you quote surahs from that ruqauyyah.karoo - page: Let me refer you back to my comment 30 minutes ago. Beautiful, all of them, and contradicted in the same book or by the same guy just a bit later on, and fuzzy in their meaning and wishy-washy and therefore utterly useless as advise, and a bad basis to build a religion (or even a relationship) on.
GreyLabyrinthine 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 9.71: ‘As for believers, both men and women, they are (to be) friends and protectors of one another, encouraging the doing of what is right and preventing the doing of what is wrong; they are constant in prayer, and pay the zakah on their wealth, and pay heed to Allah and His Messenger.’
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 42.41-42: ‘If any help or defend themselves (ie act in self-defence) after some wrong done to them, they are not held to blame for that. The blame lies only with those who oppress in wrongdoing, and insolently transgress beyond bounds, defying right and justice; there will be a serious penalty for them.’ (cont)
darklightraven 2 months ago
@GreyLabyrinthine Surah 42.41-42: This verse seems perfectly applicable to the case of a wife trying to defend herself from an abusive spouse; if the abuser ‘got away with it’ in this lifetime, he would most certainly face the judgement of Allah in the next
darklightraven 2 months ago
@erhan2brother Brother dear, she told you to go and read the rest of the quote. Did it say what it says? Does Quran allow the beating of women? Instead of looking at and following the evidence, you are simply engaging in ad homenium attacks which are not considered good debating moves.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 4 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT so much for debating, she said in the koran it says you may kill non muslims,
while in the koran it says if the non muslims is killing youre poeple or persuing the the muslims, than and only than you may kill non muslims, but if the non muslims stop, than you muslims must also stop, becouse aallah hates the agresives, youre fraud hero is cutting the context. namely, you may defend youre selfs. but ayaan says no just kill non muslims, why wont you islamofoobs wantto understand
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT as for beating women in the koran? it doesnt say that, but you islamofoobs know better of course,
erhan2brother 4 months ago
@erhan2brother
Surah 4, verse 34: "Men are in charge of women by what allah has given one over another and what spend from their wealth. So, righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear arrogance - advise them; forsake them in bed; and strike them. But if they obey you, seek no means against them. Indeed, allah is exalted and grand."
What do you say to that?
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT I say you lie and you are cuttung the context like every muslim hater it says, quote,
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. next page line it says
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT youre cuttung the context obviously, Im keep quoting the koran,
So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and youre just quoting sura 4 but in sura 5 it says if youre wife is not reasonable, for instance she steals or gambles orso, than send an arbitrator to talk it out, youre cutting the context again, Im keep quoting the entire line,
And if you fear dissension between the two, send an arbitrator from his people and an arbitrator from her people. If they both desire reconciliation, Allah will cause it between them. Indeed, Allah is ever Knowing and Acquainted [with all things].
erhan2brother 3 months ago
and may I ask this about youre western superior religion cristianity,
in the first testimony in the bible, in zacharia 14.2.1 it says kill the men RAPE THE WOMEN, and divide the loot, that is the bible, but heck we muslims have an much more worse religion acordingt o you xenofoobs, cutting the context and pasting to spread youre lies,
the prophet sasy never beat youre wife, if she steals or gambles, or other evil deeds talk with her in the best and respectable ways,
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT our prophet talked about that verse and he said if youre wife is stealing or abusing inocent humans or another evil deed, than talk with her in the best and respectable ways, but if she still keeps comiting sinns, than strike her, but she may not bleed or be bruised, and if she is still even more arogant than leave her be with the best and respectable way, the prophet said do not beat youre wife for no reason for she is not youre property,
wich is an sinn.
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT our prophet said if you want to mary an women, than if youre capable you must give her gold, she doesnt have to work, but men must work, why wont you xenofoobs ever stick up for us muslim guys?
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@erhan2brother : I did not include surah 4, verse 35 because it is not relevant to the topic. You know these are all progression from talking to striking and finally if still problem persist, then to find an arbitrator and get a divorce. Please don't try to make me out to be the bad guy when I am quoting directly from Quran. SO, you agree that STRIKING is allowed in Quran then? or did I quote it out of context? That is called domestic abuse in modern world. It has no place in 21st century.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT so much for domestic violence, you cant beat bruse or bleed some one, only one strike. and if it doesnt work than leave her alone. but it says clearly if the women is stealing or abusing someone,
the punishment of women is relatively good if you compare to us men, we have the law. if we men abuse some one we have our uncles or fathers, that would strike men, becouse women arent the good candidate, or if you live in an sharia nation,men are being beaten by cops,if we abuse etc
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@erhan2brother: I thought you said there is no violence against women in a previous statement but you now tell me it is ok to strike (only one strike - I wonder where you made that up). so, you clearly lied to me. And once again, you give me irrelevant examples of what Christ said (there is only one verse which is still debated as to its meaning) while the Quran is full of such examples. If there is a problem, you always go to the source. Muhammud himself boast of killing 600-700 himself. cont.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT you should read better, if an man or women is abusing or stealing, acordong to islam they must be punished, the man have worse punishments than women, so no Im not telling lies, and 1 strike, she amy not bleed or bruise its only pushing, period, why wont you agnolidge that the bible in zacharia 14.2.1 says kill the men RAPE the women and divide the loot? Im waiting for an reply?
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother: the problem is the punishment itself. If Allah is so great and everythig is going to be evened out in heaven, why do you guys have to act on his behalf? Is Allah busy elsewhere? It is a man made religion drawn up from the backwaters of middleeast and is a plague on humanity. I am completely aware of the bible and like I said, it is another gift from the desert to the rest of humanity. At least Christ didn't wage war and preached real peace.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT wath 600 700? hahaha islam is peace, and we will be the NUMBER ONE RELIGION ON THE PLANET IN 20 years so go lie and cry, hahah,
and no its not relevant if its being debated wath crist said face the facts islam is way more peacefull than CRISTIANITY<
in islam rape is forbiden,
stealing,
killing inocent poeple,
just read the first testimony of the bible zacharia 14.2.1, and answer me is islam worse or cristianity? or do you think killing and raping is normal?
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother: Islam means submission not peace. Peace is a recently invented term to appeal to the west. Islam has one of the bloodiest history in the history of organized religion. Christainity too. Judiasm as well. You are comparing Judiasm of 6000 years old to the present day 7th century Islam. Christainity has changed quite a lot in last few hundred years, thanks to secularism and enlightenment period. Islam is still in the 7th century. Deal with it.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT islam means peace and submiting youre will to allah, just wiki the word, and its not relevant if cristianity changed the original text the first testimony is still the autoritized religion not the 2cond 5the 9th testimony, but the first,
erhan2brother 2 months ago
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@erhan2brother and islam is in my hart and my country turkey read this and cry,
we dont need reform,
my country turkey is an full member of NATO, we are an economic power, an regional power, an military power,
an politcial power, we have an economic growth of 9%+ while USA EU is in depresion, and even china is booming, and tibet is and always will be an part of china now that we are talking about it,
same gows to moroco qatar etc. and tunisia algeria etc will be an sharia
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother we turkish muslims have the second most powerfull army in NATO< wath does tibet have? only slaves of china hahahha,
hey I thought if you had no islam you would live an better live than us muslims, while you live in an pefedick state hahaha
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother ahhh...now you finally admit, half way at least that there is submission involved. Good for you. Tell me something else, does the verses in the later part when Muhammed was in Medina supersede the ones he made in Mecca? You know when he was powerful versus when he was barely trying to survive? Is lying permissable in Islam if it is to protect your faith?
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT I dont admit nothing, stop telling lies, stop putting words in my words, i said islam is peace and submitting youre will to god, period, why should I be telling lies, and in islam telling lies for isllam or something else is an sinn,
and no the prophet did nothing to the non muslims in medina, why wont you proof it?
you claim islam is horible while our countrys are 1000 tomes bettr than youre countr tibet hahah. you said is the prophet killed where proof?
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother: If Muhammed didn't kill or ordered others to do so, why did he attacked the meccan caravans six times without provocations and who had no defense? Why did he thus asked his followers, ""Who will rid me of Marwan’s daughter?" and one of his disciples killed her in her sleep for simply insulting Mohammed? And why did he have to kill an old man Abu Afak using his disciple once again? Should i go on? Also in the case of Kab, he even allowed them to lie. cont:
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@erhan2brother Cont" Making it ok to lie to kill someone is preposterous and mockery of the word peace. And don't make this argument that Mohammed was weak at the time and he had to do it because he certainly wasn't weak that he would risk upsetting an entire tribe over this (blood feud). He was totally in control of Medina at the time. Where do you think these fanatics get their ideas to issue fatwas against cartoonists and writers?
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@erhan2brother Cont; He even put two singers to death for making fun of him. He married a child at 6 and raped her at 9. How is this relevant? Because people today consider Muhammud to be the perfect example to mirror their lives. So, like Ayatollah of Iran who married a 9 year old himself and encouraged others to do too. Likeso, you have no problem killing people for any perceived insult because it is allowed to 'DEFEND' your faith. See..defend can mean any number of things to many people. cont
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT oh ? the prophet never ever killed now one, period, you xenofoobs are losing, tunisia algeria egypte syria moroco etc etc, is being more and more ISLAMIC< so youre hatred and lies arent working we are winning, over 20 years islam will be the NO1 religion in the PLANET, haha,
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and our prohet maryd at 7 and had intercourse when our mother aisha was 9, in the midlle ages it was normal to mary at 9 8 7, you know that perfectly well, our national hero an cristian willelmus of nasau also maryd an 14 year old, it was normal in the midleages you know that perfectly well,
but you islamofoobs pusist that there was internet in the year 630, so you think Im ashamed that our prophet maryd someone at 9 haha absolutely not, in 630 it was normal
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and our prophets first wife was 40 and our prophet was 20, it was completley normal in the midle ages you know that, but you pusist it is not so you can spew youre hate, how sad of you, and adres me is you wana talk becouse youre texts arent pointed at me, I saw these lines lately by chance,
and our prohet SAV said if someone insults me or ISLAM< leave him ALONE< period, I dont care wath shias are doing,
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother: It might be normal in the backward Middleeast at the time but why is it still being used as an excuse today? Allatollah of Iran himself has taken a Child bride following the 'perfect' example of Muhammud. If whatever Mohammud did was perfect, then logically it follows that it must be ok to rape a 9 year old. hahaha...did you say the prophet said to leave them alone? Remember the Danish cartonist? How about theo van gogh? What about Salman Rushdie? Be honest man.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@erhan2brother And you very well know most of these peaceful verses are only for Muslims as kaffa or infidels don't actually count and even people of the book are treated as Dimmis. For muslims disbelief in allah is offensive and therefore must be purged. So, in effect, this 'defensive' war is in actuality a justified war to cleanse the earth of infidels. I mean all these could be corrected except KORAN is considred the word of God and Muhamud the perfect example. Best of luck with reform.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT nonsense, wath is an kaffa? did you learn that from ayaan who made that up? the peace full verses are only fpr muslims? how do the cristians in turkey indonesia syria etc etc still walk? why arent they killed o\if youre s\telling the truth? wath is dimmis? again you made that up,
and in islam killing is eternal damnasion in hell, exept if it was SELFDEFENSE<.
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother Wow! you just lied like a ..oh...thats right, you are a muslim. Never miind. Are you saying there is no word like Dimmi? Or Kaffa? The prophet never killed anyone? I think you need to go back and reread your own history before you tell me otherwise. Self-defense? How did you defend yourself all the way to India? That is the problem, isn't it though? Not believing in Allah is an attack on Islam and you must fight to correct...I mean defend it. We are not fools.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT the prophet never went to india, the prophes SAV always defended his poeple, just like cristians are doing in iraq, killing 650.000 muslims, they call that self defense, so look at the miror first,
and and no there is no such thing as dimi, or kafa, I know my history more than you xenofoobs, and our prophet never killed anyone, proof it ,
and I am an muslim and I never lie about islam unlike you
our prophet said let the be no compulsion, in religion, period,
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and we dont need reform,
my country turkey is an full member of NATO, we are an economic power, an regional power, an military power,
an politcial power, we have an economic growth of 9%+ while USA EU is in depresion, and even china is booming, and tibet is and always will be an part of china now that we are talking about it,
same gows to moroco qatar etc. and tunisia algeria etc will be an sharia state, it makes me hapy that you islamofoobs are losing
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT before the prophet dies in his bed he said 2 lines over and over again.
the poeple said oo prophet wath must we do if youre gone?
he said, treat the women well over and over again,
and the other line was before he died, pray to allah, over and over again,
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@erhan2brother: I didn't know Christainity is under discussion. But for your information, even though, I did care about Christainity too, jesus is said to have driven a new convenant between God and the jews, superseding the previous convenant in the old testament. That is why the message of jesus is starkly different from the Old testament. Did Jesus go and wage war? Did Jesus speak of revenge? In any case, bible is not taken literally unlike Islam which is considered the direct word of god.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT religion is under discusion, cristianity is also one part of it,
and you claim jesus never said something about revenge or war? are you claiming that muhammed SAV waged war? or defended his poeple for an period of 2 months war, in his 23 years of prophet hood,
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT but honestly, jesus said I did not come for peace but with the sword, in the new testimony that you aproof,
band about the first testimony, the first testimony, has been over riden for the last 100 year, becouse of its danger,
and jesus did say some nice things about revenge , to those that didnt beliefe in, that god is gona punish etc etc
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@erhan2brother
Its a metaphor - hard for a literal-minded bigot like you to grasp, i know.
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
@MrSecondThoughts yea right, its just the fact, metaphor? no, I quote,
jesus said I did not come for peace but with the sword, in the new testimony that you aproof,
how can this be an meaphor, or an love card,?
and no Im not bigot, youre hero ayaan is, wich you admire,
erhan2brother 2 months ago
@erhan2brother
go and look up 'metaphor' in the dictionary and get back to me, dim-bulb
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
@erhan2brother
'Metaphor' as in 'not literal'.
You know, as in, Mohammed actually killed people,and Jesus didn't?
MrSecondThoughts 2 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT and I googled the bible the first testimony and jesus aproofed the laws, but he only reminded the poeple that there is one god and he has an son namely him. so dont hide that the first testimony is not relavent, and the bible is taken LITERALY many times, as the 9000 muslims killed by ortodox cristians that were blessed before the killed 9000 muslims,
erhan2brother 3 months ago
@FreeTibetChinaOUT ask hitler why he said with the grace of god we will anialate the jews, ask ANDREAS BREIVIK, that used the original first testimony that you claim is not relavent or cristian related, becouse breivik was an fanatical cristian, how do you explain that?
or do you beliefe that we muslims are the real and only evil on the planet like ayaan?
erhan2brother 3 months ago
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@erhan2brother Brother dear, she told you to go and read the rest of the quote. Did it say what it says? Does Quran allow the beating of women? Instead of looking at and following the evidence, you are simply engaging in ad hominem attacks which are not considered good debating moves.
FreeTibetChinaOUT 4 months ago
Ayaan feels compelled to do unto others what she inflicts upon herself i.e erase her own identity – hoping to thus avoid the excruciating pains of her narcissist destructive analyses.I feel sorry for Niall Ferguson, as living with a narcissist is very much like being in a maximum security prison.
fromwilliams 5 months ago
Ayaan, the narcissist that she is, projects her "civil war" and tries to drag everyone around her into a swirl of bitterness, suspiciousness, meanness, aggression and pettiness. Her life is a reflection of her psychological landscape: barren, paranoiac, tormented, guilt ridden.
fromwilliams 5 months ago
You listen to all the propagandist neocon lies instead of doing the research yourself. Ayaan's call for Muslims to convert to Christianity is ridiculous, because any Muslim who was taught properly would know that Jesus (Isa in Islam) is a highly revered prophet of God.
fromwilliams 5 months ago
Quran 5:32: "For that cause We decreed for the Children of Israel that whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), but afterwards lo! Many of them become prodigals of the earth." Note: "Children of Israel"
mehstgful 5 months ago
She is lying about the verse...must be if she's literate. I looked up that verse and read the following ten verses or so. The exceptions are "those who wage war against God" and "strive with might and main for mischief through the land." (Ali) That is, Muslims have a right to defend themselves. I'm no lover of Islam - the Qur'an condemns me to eternal torture every two verses; a sick doctrine - but I will always be honest and fair in my criticism and this woman just lied to push her agenda.
SkyGuySunny 5 months ago
lol! You gotta love the guy who says the women have it good, it's the MEN who are slaves! The woman "gets to stay home" while the man slaves outside in the world. :P
This is exactly the same line of thinking as the muslim clerics who are now taking the line that when a man beats a woman, he "honors her" by beating her; because he is "correcting her" for her own good (!). You can find that perverted line of reasoning on YouTube if you look up clerics on wife beating.
Poor women...
MaskedMarvyl 6 months ago
"He who kills one person, kills all people". So says The Prophet, who slaughtered thousands, boasted of killing 600 himself, and murdered a Jewish woman's father, brother and child, before "marrying" her, and raping her that very night. Pity that poor woman, with this evil thing on top of her. What must she have felt? Blessed? That the Prophet of God who murdered her family and child was raping her? Of COURSE she should feel blessed! He married her, didn't he? So it's not rape....
MaskedMarvyl 6 months ago
“We are at war with Islam... you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy."
-Ayaan.(Nov, 2007),Reason Magazine, November 2007, Interviewer: Rogier van Bakel
This to me is unfortunately a death threat and precursor to genocide,& not progressive or peaceful talk!
fromwilliams 7 months ago
@We ARE at WAR with ISLAM! Islam decrees its goal the destruction of secular society, civil freedom and rational inquiry. Islam holds billions in stifling medieval bondage and wishes to extend its slavery to all humanity. Islam is an insult to reason and decency and a mortal danger to human survival and must be destroyed!! BTW, Islam is a VILE CULT, NOT A RACE. Whatever means are ultimately used to eradicate Islam can thus never be called genocide.
Hottides 4 months ago
@fromwilliams Ayaan is a hero, nacas yahow wax kala ogeen . wax soo baro. brainwashed prick misogynistic nazi cunt
somrazy3 3 months ago
Anders Behring Breivik, Norwegian psychopathic killer, mass murderer and right-wing extremist, in his 1,500-page manifesto, makes several complimentary references to Ayaan.
“enough said…”
fromwilliams 7 months ago
@fromwilliams When someone comits atrocity in the name of Mohammed you write it off as a misinterpretation, but when the same thing happens with Hirsi Ali its proof she's evil. Except the real wolrd doesn't quite work that way. There are any number of lines in the Quran justifying murder, there are no such lines in Hirsi Ali's books. You make political capital out of this human tragedy, yet your religion commands you to belive most of those killed are on their way to hell
DarkLordoftheMeme 7 months ago
Thank you Ayann.
manyannoyingthings 7 months ago
MUSLIMS ALWAYS QUOTE 5:32 TO SHOW THAT ISLAM IS PEACE. BUT LOOK WELL AND YOU'LL SEE THAT 5:32 IS NOT VERY MODERATE. IT SAYS: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or FOR SPREADING MISCHIEF in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people. WHO ARE THOSE WHO SPREAD MISCHIEF IN THE LAND? THE INFIDEL. THIS TEXT ACTUALLY TELLS YOU THAT YOU CANNOT KILL A MUSLIM BUT YOU CAN KILL AN INFIDEL. 5:51 TELLS US THAT CHRISTIANS ARE PERVERTS, ETC
DictaduraNo123 7 months ago
Surely that first guy knew he was setting himself up for that? Was he just a plant?
My god she destroys these guys.
fertileboredom 7 months ago
@fertileboredom IT IS not she that destroys. There's nothing that can win the truth! And she surely has that on her side!
BetuliaLiberata 7 months ago
OMG I love this woman. So bad that idiots kicked her out of the Netherlands, but I am so happy that she is doing well in USA.
koertje 7 months ago 4
“We are at war with Islam... you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy."
Reason Magazine, November 2007, Interviewer: Rogier van Bakel
-Ayaan.(Nov, 2007)
She is an active bigot, who attacks Islam, Muslims, the faith and its 1.6 billion adherents by calling on genocide. She is an abhorrent and disgusting human being.
fromwilliams 8 months ago
The fact remains Ayaan has failed,absolutely failed,to correctly identify the real cause of her alleged injustice.Her reactions are nihilistic. In the long term, Ayaan counts for nothing & she accomplishes nothing.Her diatribe is irrelevant.Philosophical discourse is almost dead.
A handful of equally misguided and gullible people will find solace and validation for their own ethical imbalances for a short time.
fromwilliams 8 months ago
When Christopher passes, I would love to see the enormous void at least partly filled by this articulate and brilliant woman.
judoyodan 8 months ago
ISLAM sucks
timjohan 8 months ago
Wow, that one jackass who keeps coming up is a misogynist jackass.
We "let" our women do blah...
Dude, they aren't "YOUR" women....they are just women.
johnycannuk 8 months ago
Thumbs up, she is amazing.
Saukko31 8 months ago
Brilliant and Eloquent...
3vi14n931 8 months ago 13
This comment has received too many negative votes show
1. Ayaan is a delutional pathological narcissist, trying to justify her actions & theories.
2. Ayaan shows once again she has zero moral intelligence.
3. Ayaan's stereotyping, generalisations, bigotry & simplistic conclusions demonstrate her lack of sociological sensitivity and empathy.
4. Ayaan's adulteress pregnancy with married man Mr Ferguson demonstrates no moral compass, honour or values.
5. Ayaan is a multi-tool, used by both the Islamophobic lobby and the atheist lobby
fromwilliams 8 months ago
@fromwilliams I love the fact that you can do little more then attack her personaly rather then refute any of her arguments.
3vi14n931 8 months ago 13
@3vi14n931 Very well said
freetheworldof 8 months ago
@3vi14n931 The YouTube user "fromwilliams" for whom you responded to posts that quote of his on literally EVERY Ayaan video he can find! He is like a parrot repeating the same thing over and over and yes you are right, he cannot refute her arguments and he never has, all he does is as you say is attack Ayaan personally.
blade004 7 months ago
@fromwilliams Why don't you go find some people guilty of apostasy and infidel to kill.
petion2010 8 months ago
@petion2010
Stigmatising, demonising, or ridiculing groups of people with whom the West has had long colonial relations creates and perpetuates negative stereotypes in public opinion, discriminating against Muslims settled in our countries, preventing our societies from experiencing solidarity with Muslim women.
We think we are supporting their emancipation,we are actually supporting those authoritarian powers responsible for their predicament as the targets of legal discrimination.
fromwilliams 8 months ago
@fromwilliams First of all, the Koran as well as its other brethren, the Torah and Bible, do allowed to discriminate against women, didn't emancipate slaves, didn't guarantee freedom of the individual, and all three books allowed for barbaric practices that are unacceptable today. you can't just point out to western discrimination and pointing to yours. People have mostly abandoned the used of biblical scripture as our moral barometer because we've come up b with better alternatives.
petion2010 8 months ago
@fromwilliams If a group believes that its book is the inherent words of god and everything in it is perfect, then that group will never allowed logical and critical examination of its content. And the group will resist and fight against any change that doesn't conform to its religious dogma. Let's call these books, the Bible, for generations, Christians have always resisted changes such as based on scientific inquiries. Today, the Muslim world is behaving in the same way in many aspects.
petion2010 8 months ago
@fromwilliams, she doesn't believe in an invisible sky daddy, or worship a pedophile. That makes her about ten times more moral and twenty times smarter than you.
judoyodan 8 months ago
she's brilliant
Hurricane828 8 months ago 2