Klavan & Whittle: Tolerating Intolerance & the Death of Mankind

[Downfacingdog]

Dear PJTV. At what point does a bolus become a stool?

[qhack]

There is a difference between Islamic culture and Sharia law. Just as there was a difference between the Japanese culture and the Kamakazi mind set of their military during WWII. Allowing Islamic culture that fits within our ideals of freedom is acceptable. Allowing Sharia law to trickle in, not so much. Some examples good culture, is food, art or dress (with the exception of the Berka, which is mandated by Sharia law.) Discussion about their culture is a good thing, It allows us to choose.

[earsonsounds]

This was way too short.

[JDPKRevolution]

Please go off for an hour segment ...

[CEMF100]

I do like this effort at collaboration, but it is too short. I would like to see you discuss the question of whether or not the USA was founded as a Christian nation, founded upon Christian principles or founded on the philosophies of the enlightenment.

I would also like to see a discussion on the reasons that atheists were not able to testify in a court of law and what has changed in the world to make it acceptable now.

[Atreus21]

The Abolition of Man. That's a great book.

[gethsoftware]

this allso not only applys to muslims. it allso applys to evangelian christian, kkk, homophobia, and religion in general.

[007CTHULHU007]

I'm not "startled" by Common Sense and obvious facts. Why are you? You must not know the full facts.Does taking a stand include the silencing of Free Speech liberals do constantly ESPECIALLY University indoctrinated liberals? That is liberal tolerance. You miss the point they make. They through "tolerance" around FAR to easily...and label others that disagree "intolerant" rednecks, idiots,etc.

Liberals are harmful fools with an ideology that boarders on a Humanist Religion. THAT is "startling".

[ReThinkingTheism]

I'm a little startled by the use of the terms "The left" and "universities" to represent stupidity. Taking a stand and refusing to tolerate intolerance strikes me as a very sensible, centrist position. The centrality of that position is all the more obvious by the fact that both tolerance and intolerance lead to slippery slopes on the left and on the right..

[KaonNeutre]

The axiom that men has no basis for moral values is a fucking lie for idiots!!!

[AtheistKiwi]

The most intolerant people I have had to tolerate are Christians.

[sausage4mash]

the stupid in this video is painful , and I'm far from left wing

[gratex]

Actors, scripts.... Desperation

[FeignofCordor]

While we talk and laugh about how mad things are these days the madness is continuing and getting worse so perhaps some action might be in order

[rawstarmusic]

It really needs to be said: there are not endless variable truths like the rhetoric "it might be your reality". That's just manipulation. Thoughts inside a mind are not true in the same way as trees or houses. Many can't realize the distinction between thought and reality. If thought is embraced by many it often passes like truth and this is a lie.

[salehffxi]

I can't remember who said this .. "Some people are so open minded that their brains fall out"

[WhiskeyJim59]

It is not too early for libertarians and conservatives to wonder why there is such a dearth of intelligent, articulate, electable Republican Presidential candidates.

Certainly part of the issue is that the MSM is not helping them.

Bill, please pontificate and ponder aloud.

[428ghost]

I got into an argument (or attempted to in the proper sense of the word) on cultural accommodation with a rather liberal colleague. My colleague tried to cap rebuttal by what was essentially an ad hominem attack. I told him he was poisoning the well by hanging labels on anyone who disagrees with his opinion. He felt his position wasn't for discussion. I asked him, "What's the matter, can't you defend your position, or is it that your position is indefensible?" He lost his shit!

[1980PintoMan]

@428ghost Good for you, keep on keeping on. Isn't it amazing how the word "argument" has to be explained to liberals?

[Countrygent100]

@428ghost "He lost his shit"... Liberals usually do. 'Poisoning the well', 'hanging labels' and ad hominem attacks are liberals' stock in trade. Rational debate for them means 'everybody agrees with what they say before the discussion has even begun'. You are not alone in your observations, and contestations with, liberals. When they are confronted with anyone who really can dispute rationally - & dares to critique the fundamentals of their cosmology, they can't "kill the message", so...

[QSpark]

Since the Dawn of Man, there have been parasites that feed off his flesh for the sake of the common good. Karl Marx gave them their slogan, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". The Frankfurt School gave them a way to make their stupidity seem intellectual, and Woodrow Wilson gave them the ironic name of progressives.

[Countrygent100]

@QSpark Totally agreed! And the conditions we observe in the West is that we are breeding up generations of parasites - non-productive consumers who actually try to bite the hand that feeds them, yet dare to demand that the Hand continue to do so! The "Hand" is the welfare state. Ancient Rome had this problem: vast prosperity led to a decadent culture expecting continued affluence. The Roman solution was "Bread & Circuses". Welfare handouts and mind-rotting 'reality' TV. Not so different.

[rk92559]

Klavan is one of the smartest men I have seen.

[Lombokstrait1]

I think I'm in tolerant of corruption, greed, and bible thumpers

[Lombokstrait1]

@Lombokstrait1 lol intolerant.

[Astrochronic]

I love Andrew Klavan. I have felt this way for longer than I can remember and always thought there was something wrong with me because I never saw the slightest example of my beliefs in the media. Instead I saw a constant vilification that made no sense. Thank you Mr. Klavan and friends for standing up for truth.

[quater2002]

Whittle and Klavan are both entertaining. 

[Jerricho68]

Not enough volume.

[ghilljr50]

One essential reality. That is a great comment.

[SobrietySobriquet]

I'm not actually sure Klavan is using "self evident truths" correctly here because it sounds like Innate ideas the way he's phrasing it, and remember John Locke spent much of his writings saying there are no innate ideas. But Locke obviously did believe in the universal rights of individuals and he was the main source for the founders' political philosophy. George Berkeley followed Locke and he rejected the idea that trees not seen still fall, let alone make sound. Good message though Klavan.

[sweds2135]

My new favorite PJTV series.

[BlindEyeJones]

My question:  Wouldn't the relativism taught at the university just be a tool to scoop out the residue capitalist values students acquired from their family and having that replaced with socialist/leftist values?

Not that the left is without values, just that they use relativism as a political tool to hollow out the soul of the student and have it filled with their own values (mush). In other words, they really don't believe in relativism.

[WingZero75]

So...... its ok to legislate christian values, abortion and gay marrige, but someone mentions sharia law and everyones up in arms. One forces their theocracy up your ass and the other down your throat. How is being tolerant of one and not another anything but hypocritical? Dead should be the way of all gods, let us decide what is right and not be told to over and over again. Even the christian lie, repeateded over and over again, shall never make it truth

[panzer903]

longer please

[bricool4]

Obama watched this video and thumbs-down'd.

[pawsoned]

I'd rather sit on the fence that too eagerly engage in any conflict. The problem with Islam is that they're fast growing while the west is becoming older. So the fear is that Islam's gonna outgrow the secular west. If you resent that fact I propose making more babies instead of fighting others.

[hobo59]

Shall we say we agree to disagree !

[HorseWaterDrink]

next time talk about .. How the Republican leadership needs new blood and how the party leader on top need to grow a spine. And hired some media consultants for the next election. and and and .....

[sageofthewabash]

mmm Brains...

[joker102877]

Bill Whittle's intro sounded just like the intro to The Twilight Zone episodes.

[XCritonX]

"Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good."

Romans 12:9

Hate is NOT always a bad thing, and love is NOT always a good thing. Real men take sides and have opinions. If we go through life always trying to find ways to compromise we end up being easily dominated by others and their often destructive ideas. For goodness sake, people need to grow a pair and stand up for what they believe in.

[trwsandford]

@TheWyldeGoose if the sinner is sinning against you.....

Defend yourself!

[trwsandford]

if a radical Islamist lops off the head of a journalist and CNN records it, does the head make a sound when it hits the floor?

[MikeyMan24]

whittle and klavan in the same video?!

[flyinbry]

you could not graduate from a university in the days of the founding fathers without knowing 'natural law. In fact that was the basis of post econdary education.

[flyinbry]

Good conversation

[mtmmog]

Here's a question for yo brought up by Bill Whittle: What is the Frankfurt School and why is "critical thinking" bad?

[Commiesarentcool1]

@mtmmog The Frankfurt School was a neo-Marxist school in Germany. Bill said "Critical Theory" which is something that the Frankfurt school taught. Use Wikipedia if you want more info.

[6Churches]

@Commiesarentcool1 Wikipedia won't expand on why Klavan & Whittle think critical theory is "bad", especially when they demonstrate such a cliched and shallow representation of the kind of intellectual thoughts it offers. The fruit of critical theory is not "political correctness" nor blind "tolerance".

[Commiesarentcool1]

@6Churches No, its fruit is the philosophy that resulted in the deaths of more that 150,000,000 people. In my book that means it is "bad."

[6Churches]

@Commiesarentcool1 Oh, I just read your username. Go figure.

I won't push my luck :D

[LordMalice6d9]

@Commiesarentcool1 The Frankfurt school was established by Neo-Marxist Zionist Jews after the 2nd world war to brainwash Germans with Leftist indoctrination. People should be reminded that Communism and Bolshevism were in essense Jewish inspired ideologies.

[6Churches]

I actually like this video, thanks guys.

But I am a little concerned by the simplicity by which you dismiss "the Frankfurt school" et al. We all know what pop-psychology is, weak, generalised, accessible conjecture, but also have a role in limiting the comprehension of real psychology.

"There is no truth" and "that is your reality" are the tropes that reflect a pop-leftism and also limit comprehension. Semiotics is a great discipline.

I believe in post-structuralism and faith :D

[thejmeister88]

REALLY good video

[karozans]

@TheWyldeGoose Yes sir.

[darklighter1]

Fantastic. So well put. Thanks Mr Klavan

[TheHortond]

Nothing is permitted. Who are you kidding?

[aquapurity]

Godel's incompleteness theorem:  "there are truths that cannot be proved".

[AshillaBeige]

This is a crazy thought: why don't you guys speak more about Christian intolerance of gays, non-whites (race hierarchy in LDS church still exists and is in doctrine), women (eg female priests), etc.

Sure, you've got your "values," but so do Muslims. These are your bigoted values and they have their own. It's just a matter of degree.

It's like people who bitch about how govt messes stuff up under Obama, but praise Bush. Conservatism is an inconsistent load of crap. Libertarianism = win.

[Protege385]

@AshillaBeige For a libertarian, you sure demagogue others like a liberal.

[karozans]

@Protege385 You took the words right out of my mouth, errr keyboard.

[karozans]

@AshillaBeige You are confusing "tolerance" with "acceptance".

The Bible teaches to be tolerant of sinners but to not accept their lifestyle. There is no race hierarchy in any church you are making that up. The Bible also says that women are not supposed to be in positions of authority in the church.

You aren't very tolerant or knowledgeable about Christians.

Christians don't make the rules, they just follow them. If you don't like it I suggest you take that up with God.

[Conservative510]

@karozans Actually, AshillaBeige is speaking of a race hierarchy in Mormonism (LDS=Latter Day Saints), that does exist. However, most Christians do not view Mormonism as part of Christianity. There are some great Mormon people, but I don't get some of their beliefs. Other than that I disagree with AshillaBeige.

[karozans]

@Conservative510 Perhaps there are a few LDS churches here and there that practice race hierarchy but that doesn't mean they represent the entire LDS movement. Just like the Westboro Baptists Church doesn't represent the Baptist movement. My friend of 25 years is LDS.

[Conservative510]

@karozans Good point.

[maximunoutlaw32]

@karozans OH!!! you torched his ass!

[karozans]

@maximunoutlaw32 LOL.

[PureLiberalFire]

@karozans And so I shall! :-)

[ijzerkoekie]

@karozans Well said! Lately I have noticed a trend for liberals - especially homosexuals, to militantly shout down anyone who wants to be tolerant of their freedom to sin. They claim that tolerance is actually abuse and hate! Then after calling me a mindless Christian (without every asking me why I believe what I believe), they then take the "moral high ground" and claim to be accepting of everyone. They don't realize they are attacking the same people who want to preserve their freedoms!

[karozans]

@ijzerkoekie Hi thanks for the comment.

It is true. There is a quote out there that says...

"Those who demand tolerance, are the slowest to give it."

It seems like the battle between Christians and non Christians is getting worse.

Homosexuality, drug use, abortion, and etc; have always and will always be against Christian values.

People know this yet they continue to shout for Christians to accept these values. They also refuse to accept that God made up these rules, not Christians.

[ijzerkoekie]

@karozans It occurred to me yesterday that the ones who accuse the loudest are probably guilty of the same. This, in my opinion, falls in line with that quote you gave, "Those who demand tolerance, are the slowest to give it."

As to the battle getting worse, that's exactly right. What bothers me most is that now even the things we do out of love are twisted into hate. The greatest hypocrisy is the love for Islam whose aim is violent domination, while Christianity is hated for its love.

[karozans]

@ijzerkoekie I hear ya. I guess all we can do is fight the good fight. The Bible warns that Christians will be persecuted in the final days. We shall see what happens.

[IChIDH]

@karozans I wonder why the bible says that women are not supposed to be in positions of authority? Hmmm, maybe because they don't make war! "No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord." - Deuteronomy 23:1 Better watch your minerals if you want to get to heaven. It's true, the bible says so.

[karozans]

@IChIDH

Deuteronomy 23:1 is in the OT and is part of the old Jewish law which is no longer necessary after Jesus died on the cross.

The Bible says that women are not supposed to be in positions authority because that is the way God said it would be. The Bible doesn't say why God chose it to be this way.

As I said before.

"Christians don't make the rules, they just follow them. If you don't like it I suggest you take that up with God."

[IChIDH]

Do you cut off these body parts when you look lustfully at a woman? No I bet you CHOOSE to take this metaphorically. Cut it off, the bible says so. NT

[karozans]

@IChIDH If you would like to have a serious conversation, please do so. If you would like to troll please let me know now, so I can block you.

[IChIDH]

@karozans I am being serious. You don't have an answer for that so you become ill tempered and resort to calling me a troll.

[karozans]

@IChIDH Actually I do have an answer for that.

But I see no reason why I should. That is not the topic of this thread. You reply to a post with something that does not relate to the subject at all in the hopes of driving someone to anger. That is the definition of a troll.

If you would like to continue the original thread that would be fine.

PS. It takes quite a bit more than that to make me "ill tempered".

[IChIDH]

@karozans I'm not out to make anyone angry, sir.  You said you could prove the bible true, and if you can, I would truly like to hear it.

[karozans]

@IChIDH

?????????????? Say what???

I just read all of my previous posts, and I don't see anywhere that I said I could or would do anything.

I think you have me mixed up with someone else.

[IChIDH]

@karozans I think I did get my threads mixed up, sorry about that.

[LordHighXcutioner]

@karozans: You cannot tolerate people without accepting them for who they are. That's what it is meant by accepting people in out society.

[Ramatganski]

@karozans I agree with everything said in this video. About what you've said, though: I can only work things out with people such as yourself telling me to "take things up" with superstitions about certain ancient social-regulatory texts of an ancient middle-eastern civilization. To pretend that there is any(one)thing else involved would be to miss the point entirely.

So - unless you'd prefer to "take things up" with a Sauron or an Allah or both - I suggest WE WORK IT OUT with EACH OTHER.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski Nope sorry. It doesn't work that way with Christianity.

Bottom line is some people believe God exists and others don't.

For those of us that do, we believe that morals are handed down by God.

For those who don't, you must believe in moral relativism.

The only way that we will ever be able to "work things out" is if you convert to Christianity.

Sorry if you don't like it, but that is the way it is.

[Ramatganski]

@karozans Oh, morality is very real. It is as real as the dry apathy with which you wrote "sorry...". Yes, as real as that hypocrisy. See, here is how it works: Truth doesn't "belong" to anyone. It is not something I'd rather conveniently proclaim to believe. It is that which I must perceive to be true. For example, I know that you are disinterested in the truth. I also know that you disapprove of me saying so. - it is YOUR disapproval which IS real. Oh, and there won't be any "bottom lines".

[karozans]

@Ramatganski

"Oh, morality is very real." Yes I know, that is why I originally wrote...

"For those of us that do, we believe that morals are handed down by God.

For those who don't, you must believe in moral relativism."

Did you miss that part or did you just ignore it???

The only Truth comes from God. No other Truth exists. If you are atheist then you make up truth as you go along.

That is why you wrote the last 4 sentences. All your "truths" are made up and false.

[Ramatganski]

@karozans The only truth comes from reality. The truth that your particular notion of a deity is a fictitious superstition comes from reality. No one can "make up" truths - not even you. Not participating in your superstition does not entail moral relativism: one might as well "believe" that morality has been "handed down" by their Chief without believing in moral relativism. My last 4 sentences:1: You ARE disinterested. Here: 2. You DID disapprove 3. Your disapproval WAS real 4. Let's continue!

[karozans]

@Ramatganski "The only truth comes from reality."

Which reality would that be? The Muslim reality, the Christian reality, the atheist reality, or any of the other countless realities that are out there?

"The truth that your particular notion of a deity is a fictitious superstition comes from reality."

Again which reality does that come from?

"No one can "make up" truths - not even you." I agree (sort of) only God can make up truths.  The atheist that does not believe in God makes up...

[Ramatganski]

@karozans This listing of "realities" to "choose from" which you've made betrays an approach technically referred to as "Relativism"( sounds familiar?). There is only one reality and it belongs to no one as some made up convenient proclamation of belief. This is why no one can make up truths, including fictional characters such as Krishna, God or Allah, who would have had to be real in the first place to be doing anything.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski

"This listing of "realities" to "choose from" which you've made betrays an approach technically referred to as "Relativism"( sounds familiar?)."

Sort of but not really. If there are multiple God's then there would be multiple truths. If there is only one God then there would only be one truth. In both cases the truths would be absolute.

"There is only one reality and it belongs to no one as some made up convenient proclamation of belief."

Who or what determines which....

[Ramatganski]

@karozans Now you said that it is possible for each one of multiple REALITIES to be absolute. That could only be possible if the word 'absolute' came to be synonymous with the word 'relative'. That's why it's called relativism. You also did this while committing the oversight of replacing 'realities' from the quote of my comment with 'truths'. ('reality' is THINGS as they are, 'truth' is an articulation of KNOWLEDGE). There ARE many truths and it has little to do with mythological beings.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski "Now you said that it is possible for each one of multiple REALITIES to be absolute. That could only be possible if the word 'absolute' came to be synonymous with the word 'relative'."

I think you misunderstood my point. If there were multiple God's that were on the same level of omniscience, omnipotence, and omnipresence. Then they would have the power to create absolute truths. However in order for the truths to be absolute the truths could not conflict with each other.

[Ramatganski]

@karozans Well, again - 'truth' is not synonymous with 'reality' and again - there ARE in fact multiple truths which do not conflict with each other ( 'snow is white' and 'there is no Santa' ). These truths are not "created" by Santas or goblins or Jesus-Christs or Supermen or anyone else for this matter, because they are mere observations about reality as it is. I do not "create" the truth that I exist - I exist. Wonder-woman does not create the truth that she exists nor that she doesn't exist.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski

Did you read all of my posts to you?

Please read all of them and then define "truth" and "reality".

[Ramatganski]

@karozans I appreciate you not quoting my previous reply and I welcome this refreshing change and thank you. I also appreciate you making the effort of keeping track of this correspondence while being simultaneously engaged with others. Please give a practical answer to the following question: Am I to understand from your request that you are hinting at some other definition then the one which I blatantly provided two comments before this one, or were you unaware that I'd be repeating myself?

[karozans]

@Ramatganski Thanks no problem

I think you and I got scrambled up. I said in one of my posts that "truth" and "reality" can be used interchangeably in our discussion.

Then you move on an say that "truth" and "reality" are not synonymous and cannot be used interchangeably.

So I would like you to clarify your definition of "truth" and "reality".

I cannot discern what you mean by giving me an example.

Did you see my post where I define "truth" vs. "reality"?

[Ramatganski]

@karozans Sure: my definitions were: "reality' is THINGS as they are, 'truth' is an articulation of KNOWLEDGE". It's in my third reply before this one.

As for the notions on your part: As I immediately pointed out, you first implied that 'truth' and 'reality' can be used interchangeably in our discussion in the first paragraph of your fourth reply before this last one. And here's the thing: this rules out you having made any definition of 'truth' "VS." 'reality'. Hence my definitions.

Right?

[karozans]

@Ramatganski If they did not conflict with each other, then they would still remain absolute. Unless of course a more powerful being was able to make up truths that trumped them. Then of course the origional God's wouldn't be God's.

The definition of God is the most power "thing" that could possibly be. If there was something more powerful than God, then that "thing" would be God and so on.

This is why monotheism is more popular than polytheism.

With monotheism there is only 1 truth.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski

In this case you can "truth" and "reality" can be used interchangeably.

For instance, humans thought at one time that the earth was flat. The reality and the truth was that the earth was not flat.

Stoning women to death indeed happens in reality.

It is right to stone a women to death. Is that the truth or not? If that is the truth how do you know it is? If that is not the truth how do you know that it isn't?

[karozans]

@Ramatganski Also I am not sure if we are on the same page here.

Give me your definition of truth and reality.

Here is mine.

Truth: a quasi-transcendent fundamental reality

Transcendent: being beyond the limits of all possible experience and knowledge

Quasi - Transcendent: humans can have the experience and knowledge of it, but cannot know the source in entirety

Reality: something that is neither derivative nor dependent but exists necessarily

The problem with the...

[karozans]

@Ramatganski ...definition of reality that I used is that it assumes that this Universe/Reality has always existed. We know for a fact that this Universe has not always existed.

So the Reality that you and I are able to sample and understand was created when this Universe was created.

This is why humans invented philosophy.

I have replied 6 times to your post.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski ...reality is the correct one???

There are many people out there that say it is reality to stone a woman to death for cheating on her husband.

There are also many people that say stoning a woman to death is wrong for any reason.

Who is right and who is wrong, and why?

You keep saying no one can make up truths yet you offer no information how we can even know these truths.

Where do these truths come from, who/what determines them and how do we know they are really truths.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski ...his/her own truths to suit his/her own desires. That is why there is such a disconnect on issues such as abortion and using drugs, and countless other issues.

"Not participating in your superstition does not entail moral relativism:"

If this is the case where do you get your morals from?

"one might as well "believe" that morality has been "handed down" by their Chief without believing in moral relativism"

So where did the chief get his morals from? etc. etc. etc.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski

Your last 4 sentences were...

"For example, I know that you are disinterested in the truth." This is false. I am interested in the truth, just not yours.

"I also know that you disapprove of me saying so." This is false. Say whatever you want. I disagree with it but you can say anything you want.

"it is YOUR disapproval which IS real." Whatever that is supposed to mean.

"Oh, and there won't be any "bottom lines"." This is false. God's word is the bottom line.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski

There is only 2 options.

1) Moral Relativism

2) Moral Absolutism

God deals with moral absolutism. If you believe in God you must believe in moral absolutism. Or else God isn't God.

If you say you believe in moral absolutism but you do not believe in God then you must explain where these absolutes came from.

If you do not believe in moral absolutism, then you must believe in moral relativism. Moral relativism comes from humans making things up as they go.

[karozans]

@Ramatganski I have responded 5 times to your post including this message.

[TheTitteringNinja]

@karozans

"Christians don't make the rules, they just follow them."

Christians CHOOSE to follow those rules as a lifestyle. That makes them complicit in anything bad that occurs from those beliefs.

[karozans]

@TheTitteringNinja

"Christians CHOOSE to follow those rules as a lifestyle."

True.

"That makes them complicit in anything bad that occurs from those beliefs."

Jesus Christ is/was a perfect being. Therefore anything he did was perfectly good. Anything that a Christian does that falls away from the teachings of Jesus Christ is bad and therefore a real Christian cannot be complicit with it.

With atheism one can make up whatever he/she wants at the time and be complicit with...

[karozans]

@TheTitteringNinja ...those actions.

Thankfully with Christianity, we are not required to be perfect being as Jesus Christ was.

Again...

If you don't like it I suggest you take that up with God.

[TheTitteringNinja]

@karozans

Excusing any bigoted actions and bigoted beilefs doesn't alter the fact that Christians can still be bigots. Hiding behind religion is pathetic. And if you don't like that then you can take that up with the law.

[karozans]

@TheTitteringNinja

LOL. Clearly your hatred of Christians is preventing you have having a rational thought.

It is true. Christians can be bigots as well at atheists and non-Christians. Are you trying to make a point here?

Last time I checked bigotry is still legal in the USA.

Also, there isn't a single Christian in the USA who thinks they can break the law and then use their religion to get out of punishment.

LOL. Your last post was silly.

[TheTitteringNinja]

@karozans

In America, bigotry is a hate crime and is illegal I can assure you. And a Christian is accusing others of not being able to have a rational thought? Oh dear!

Criticising Christians for their beliefs is not the same as hating them. So nice little strawmnas there. Not convincing.

[karozans]

@TheTitteringNinja

"In America, bigotry is a hate crime and is illegal I can assure you."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHH

Dude, do you even live in America??? Do you even know what the definition of bigotry is???

I live in Arizona, and bigotry is not illegal. Sorry to burst your bubble.

And yes, you don't have any rational thought. Christian apologetics do.

Criticizing Christians is not the same as hating them, but your underlying tone shows that you do hate them.

[TheTitteringNinja]

@karozans

Right up until the point of you saying that christians apologetics had rational thought I thought you were a psycho. Now that I've read it you've gone and removed all doubt.

[karozans]

@TheTitteringNinja Cool man. I guess that says more about you then it does about me. You probably run around touting how "open minded" you are too.

I can see that you aren't interested in listening to anyone elses point of view, you are only interested in making silly criticisms and insults.

Have a good one.

[TheTitteringNinja]

@karozans

"I can see that you aren't interested in listening to anyone elses point of view, you are only interested in making silly criticisms and insults."

If you had absolutely anything of any credible merit worth debating with then I'd be happy to be more civil. But your views are so ridiculous they are only worth silly criticisms and insults. You as an apologist for the contents of the bible behave no differently than the people who are apologists for the content of mein kampf.

[karozans]

@TheTitteringNinja Cool man. I am going to block you now. I refuse to put up with your insults. Bye now.

[TheTitteringNinja]

@karozans

Fucking weak.

[Inga4020]

@AshillaBeige Boy o boy....you are all things to all people aren't you? Perhaps you should get your info straight before painting Christians with such a broad brush. Gay people are no more sinful than the guy that lies, cheats, steals or murders. Sin is sin and Christ died for such as these. Race has NO place in the life of a christian...LDS doctrine is NOT christian it is deception, alot of good folks in this cult but they are lost in a lie. The fruit of mohammed is always intolerant/death

[sashakid]

a question here from israel :D

Why is the world so intolerat when it regards to Israel and very torelant to anything that happens in the islamic world or comes from the islamic world ?

[AshillaBeige]

@sashakid Because Israel is basically leeching off other countries (US gives billions of taxpayer dollars). Israel has had a govt funded program to deter Israeli women from marrying Arab men. It also makes it very difficult to marry b/c the orthodox church has to sanction marriage. If that's not intolerance, I don't know what is. Not condoning what happens in the Islamic world, but don't throw stones from glass houses. Also, there have been many hate crimes/military abuses on Arabs.

[Inga4020]

@AshillaBeige US gov. gives billions to many M.E. countries. I don't think you want to go there with the hate crimes against Arabs crap. You want to measure the hate crimes and abuses perpertated by the sons of Islam upon EVERYONE that don't walk their sick chalk line. You best get you a long measuring stick. US is playing both sides against the middle and being ever so tolerant and it is about to bite us in the butt.

[sashakid]

@AshillaBeige Israel is a jewish country first of all and its in their rights to not allow jews to marry with other religions but islamic and catolic marriage are available for people who believe in those ways. and dont talk alot of bullshit about milatary crimes you talk from a filtered point of view by media and they show only 1 side of the poor arab bodies same people that suicide bomb are malls ... that doesnt happen any more but rockets are still landing in my city.so dont talk shit.

[TonyUnplugged]

Obama is a charming liar.

[ilikenoodles1]

I'm usually not one to watch a whole lot of PJTV. I love KotC, and that's about it. But this was fantastic. Loved it!!

[EEKentertainment]

Great video! Thank you guys for making these!

[MaXG65]

Like I've always said! How about in 100 years or less, murder is tolerable? Where we've be so desensitized to it, it becomes nothing more to us then a speeding ticket today!

[bocanutz]

Or how about Breitbart, who doesn't tolerate being called names, but actively pursues his accusers and rights the wrongs.

[mutabrev]

Seriously, thank God for you guys, yours are some of the only sane voices in the wilderness of modern media.

[Spazzboy911]

-Were you not the one to say "nothing is true and everything is permitted?"

-You do not understand the true meaning of the phrase, my child. It does not grant you the freedom to do as you wish, it is a knowledge meant to guide your senses

-Later-

-I understand now that our creed does not command us to be free; it commands us to be wise... Where as we would dispel the illusion; they would use it to rule.