recorded conversations with Courtney Love and Rosemary Carroll

[10nirvanagirl]

#Justiceforkurt <3 <3 xoxo

[wwwdotalibaba]

We know who is responsible.

We do not forgive.

We do not forget.

Expect us Courtney Michelle Harrison. You have no Love. You have no soul.

[GoldGreenleaf]

Courtney should kill herself. She already killed animals and other people,

RIP Kurt.

[owizewon]

****JUJSTICE FOR KURT!****

FUCK that stupid ugly old murderer bitch Whortney.

[rowsler]

JUSTICE FOR KURT IN 2012

[Closure4Cobain]

nicely done!!! 

[TheDevenrocks]

I believe Kurt Cobain was murdered. But whoever it was got away with one of the biggest killings ever. Things don't add up. Someone knows something. But who.

[harvardlaw14]

Courtney Love is GUILTY.

[rockinguitarchick121]

look at the way the A's are written in this... i think courtney wrote this letter, not cali. there was a handwriting practice sheet found in courtney's bag after kurt died and they believe that she wrote the last 5 lines of his "suicide" note. the letters in this note also look similar to the way kurt used to write which makes me think courtney was trying to hide her own handwriting and since she was practicing writing like kurt, some letters came out like his own.

[Justice4Kristen]

During Cobain's last days, he is also believed to have spent time at his second home (which was being finished) in Carnation, Washington-where a sleeping bag was found. Next to it was a picture of the sun drawn in black ink above the words "Cheer Up", and an ashtray filled with cigarettes - one brand was Cobain's, the other wasn't. It is reported the 2nd brand had lipstick on them. (I only wonder who's lipstick it was?) For more info, please check out my channel. Thanks.

[dimeacyd]

@Justice4Kristen It is well known that Kurt's sister was staying at Carnation at this time on and off and that she smoked the same type of cigs as Kurt. Ends that big mystery.

[k2blue7]

Courtney wasn't even in the hospital was she?

[shazzadee]

@dimeacyd Courtney paid Cali 30,000 cash to "go to rehab" when Tom intended to question him. Courtney said that she would cooperate with Tom's investigation and then stopped him from talking to Cali at every opportunity. Regardless of whether you think that eldon hoke is a liar, courtney refused to provide proof that she did not talk to him on that day in Dec '93. Eldon Hoke was mysteriously killed 8 days after he admitted on tape that Courtney asked him to kill Kurt. I know who I believe.

[dimeacyd]

@shazzadee If Courtney Love gave Cali thirty thousand dollars... then she did. What do you mean she 'paid' him? And how do you know this? And I never said Hoke was a liar. Do I believe him? No. He passed a lie detectors test? So they say. But who cares? Do you know how unreliable lie detectors tests are?

Courtney Love doesn't have to provide anything at all to Tom Grant. He was her employee who didn't do his job and sat around in L.A. instead of going to Seattle and finding Kurt.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

Whoahhhh What are you, emplyeed with Courtney Love? Grant originally stayed in LA because he was working on the credit card stuff. Courtney didn't tell Grant that Kurt had last been seen at the Lake Washington home until April 6, 1994 and he left for Seattle that same day. She also seemed to have sent him on a goose chase. Cali claimed he told Courtney on April 2 that he saw Kurt at the home and Courtney didn't say a word.

[dimeacyd]

@TheStarfkr

So you all think Cali went with Kurt up to the Green House... while his girlfriend was in the house btw, and shot Kurt up with a bunch of Heroin... enough to kill him. And instead of letting him die and then calling the cops and saying... hey ol Kurt killed himself by O.D. ... .... he took a shotgun and blew his brains out with it. That is so fucking ludicrous it can't be believed. That is why I don't believe it.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

The death scene is staged. All the red flags point to it being staged. When a death is staged to appear as a suicide then the number one reason for doing so is to cover up a murder (i just found this out last night, per the book Practical Homicide Investigation) Because the death scene is staged, we don't know that Kurt died there or even went in there. His body may have been brought there. Also, we don't know Cali's girlfriend was there when Kurt died. (cont.)

[dimeacyd]

@TheStarfkr Seems to me that letting him die from the heroin... you all say he took so much he couldn't use the shotgun and it was a lethal dose... would have made more sense then shooting him. That is just my opinion. I wasn't there so I don't know.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

Your logic is a bit off. We have to go on what was found at the death scene. Why was Kurt shot? It's not important. All that matter is that there is enough evidence to suggest that the death scene was staged. According to Vernon Geberth, Bronx Homicide Task Force, the number one reason why a death is staged to appear as a suicide is to cover up a murder.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

(cont.) P.I. Tom Grant is the one who accuses Cali DeWitt of conspiring with Courtney Love to murder Kurt. I'm more concerned with getting the case reopened and leaving it up to the authorities as to who may be responsible for Kurt's death. The only think I know is to focus on the person who has the motive, but as to who assisted such person, I'm leaving it to the authorities. I do believe that if Kurt was murdered a minimum of 2-3 people were directly involved. .

[dimeacyd]

@TheStarfkr Ok. But you are also saying that the Seattle Police didn't care one way or the other if he was murdered. Maybe they didn't. My point is this guy was well known to be depressed. Talked about killing himself all the time. Overdosed all the time. Bought the shotgun. And out of that.... Courtney killed him? Whatever.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

1.) All talk of Kurt being suicidal comes directly from Courtney Love.

2.) I didn't mention anything about the SPD not caring if he was murdered.

3.) The shotgun was bought for protection. According to Dylan Carlson, Kurt's best friend, the house had been vandalized and strange people were coming onto the property.

4.) The shotgun was purchased by Dylan Carlson.

[dimeacyd]

@TheStarfkr According to Dylan Carlson Kurt killed himself. So that says what?

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

Assuming what you claim is true, does he have personal knowledge, as in he saw it happen? Because if not, then he doesn't really know. Dylan has already gave interviews claiming Kurt wasn't suicidal. In fact, to be honest, Dylan may have given inconsistent statements. Tom Grant claims Dylan told him the reason he didn't tell Grant about the greenhouse because it was just a small room that lumber was stored in. (cont.)

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

(cont.) Then in a May 11, Seattle Times interviers Dylan is reported as claiming he didn't even know that the greenhouse existed. Going further, Rosemary Carroll, Kurt & Courtney's entertainment attorney & godmother of Frances, reportedly believes that Dylan lied and that he may have bought the shotgun w/out Kurt's knowledge. Kinda weird isn't it? Despite this, Tom Grant believes Dylan wasn't involved in a conspiracy to murder, but rather was being manipulated by Courtney Love.

[dimeacyd]

@TheStarfkr If you die you're completely happy and your soul somewhere lives on. I'm not afraid of dying. Total peace after death, becoming someone else is the best hope I've got. Kurt Cobain

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

Is that supposed to mean something? -Because it doesn't. Kurt wasn't suicidal. The only person claiming Kurt was suicidal was Courtney Love.

[dimeacyd]

@TheStarfkr All kinds of people KNOW that Kurt was suicidal. Where do you come up with this crap? Kurt himself many many many times said he was suicidal. You for some reason think that his wife and his very close friends were homicidal... have no problem believing that..... but have a problem believing that Kurt; who time and time again talked about wanting to kill himself in his own interviews, was suicidal. And I guess Elvis is at McDonalds and 2Pac will be back in 7 years.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

LOL...No. The only person who knew Kurt was suicidal was Courtney and she didn't tell anybody but P.I. Tom Grant when she hired him and the police when she filed the missing persons report posing as Kurt's mom. Kurt's best friend Dylan Carlson said he wasn't suicidal. Rosemary Carroll, Kurt's entertainment attorne and godmother of Frances said he wasn't suicidal, the Nirvana bandmates did not believe him to be suicidal, etc. (cont.)

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

(cont.) I believe I have already gone over that interview with you before. If not, then let me repeat. Kurt was talking about the pain from his mysterious stomach ailment. 7 months before he died it was properly diagnosed as being a pinched nerve from scoliosis, a condidition his mother also suffered from. He recieved proper treatment and reported to be extremely happy to be pain free. Kurt was not suicidal.

[harryjosephcouture]

@shazzadee Hoke died on April 19, 1997 in California after being hit by a train while intoxicated. No mystery. He was also the lead singer of the self-described "rape rock" band The Mentors. So lets see. You have a failed woman hating musician who is also an addict & broke a question where if he says it was murder he can (like the parasite Tom Grant) profit from it or if he denies it no cash. As for the "polygraph" it was found unfounded since the person that gave it was employed by Tom Grant!

[TheStarfkr]

@harryjosephcouture

1.) His best friend saw him the day before he died and said he was paranoid and that he wanted to get a fake I.D. and was talking about how easy it is to have somebody disposed of. It's possible Hoke's death was just a freak accident or perhaps something else happened.

2.) Polygraph experts don't do it for free. It doesn't matter who hires them.

[dimeacyd]

@harryjosephcouture HELL YES someone with a brain!!!!

[mikeylikesit100]

@harryjosephcouture: Two things: First off, the polygragh expert who administered the test to Hoke A.K.A "El Duce" was not, I repeat NOT hired by Tom Grant. Grant was simply allowed to sit in on the polygraph test per request. He has stated this on multiple occasions. Also, this notion that Tom Grant has profited from this "conspiracy theory" is so ridiculous it's laughable. This case actually bankrupted him, and he risked his career, legal action, and possible jail time speaking out (cont.)

[mikeylikesit100]

@harryjosephcouture: against Courtney to expose what he believes is in fact a murder. Do you know what kind of s**t storm someone with as much wealth & influence as Courtney had back then could've brought down on his head? He'd have 2 be insane 2 accuse her of such a crime unless he actually believed it to be true. Which begs the question why hasn't Courtney brought legal action against him? Could it be because she's guilty and doesn't want this case to go to court and be put under a microscope?

[mikeylikesit100]

@harryjosephcouture: If someone wrongfully accused you of conspiring to have your spouse murdered, wouldn't that enrage you? Wouldn't you sue them for defamation? Of course you would, any normal person would. Courtney didn't. In fact, she kept Tom Grant on her pay roll for many months after the fact to keep an eye on him. Also, Grant has made next to nothing in the last 15 years, often appearing on radio stations free of charge, and what little money he makes from the case study manuals (cont.)

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

Cali claims he told Courtney Kurt was at the Lake Washington homeon April 2, 1994. Courtney doesn't tell P.I. Tom Grant nor the Police. Then in Heavier Than Heaven 2001 she claims that Cali didn't tell her until April 4 and that he supposedly said ti was a dream. This is her excuse for not telling Grant or the police that she had known Cali saw him on April 2. Yes, Courtney was in LA, but that doesnt mean she couldn't be involved if Kurt's death is a murder.

[yorkandpomona]

i have researched this for years....i honestly believe cali and dylan have something to do with this.......or just cali....i dont know....but she did have him killed.....there was another woman....kurt wanted a divorce...all the tape recordings i have heard are proof she had him killed....she offered el duche 50 grand to off him and then he died...i believe killed via courtney as well

[Justice4Kristen]

@yorkandpomona So right you are...

[yorkandpomona]

@Justice4Kristen :)

[robdamiano76]

really good video :)

[shazzadee]

Thanks. Tom tells me that he will be sending me audio not yet heard by the public. And I am allowed to post it. I hope that it's worth it :) I want it to tell us something new. Something that people can't make excuses for.And then I will send them to INDLIS and NMK94....I'm excited :D

[robdamiano76]

you're welcome. i hope it does tell us something new and once and for all the truth about what really happened and all those people who make excuses can see how wrong they are!

[dimeacyd]

@shazzadee This is why Tom Grant will cannot be believed. If he had this information, which the Seattle Police say and will TELL YOU... that if he has it they and it is credible, they will OPEN the case. Yet, he won't give it to them. Why not?

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

The SPD will likely never reopen the case unless they are forced to by say the FBI or something. People at the SPD have claimed they are open to new evidence, but when authors Ian Halperin & Max Wallace went to give them evidence they were told to leave or they would be arrested. It's obvious that at that time it was just a lie. They aren't open to any new evidence at all.

[n1rvanaXX]

it had to be a murder and everyone likes to fucking deny it

i wish more people knew :/

[scartissue94]

@n1rvanaXX

It's just a conspiracy. Even Dave Grohl sat and watched that 'Kurt and Courtney' documentary, but stopped it after 10 minutes because it was just bullshit.

[veggiegurl06]

I think the police even said in one of their reports that Kurt had been at the Carnation property. Kurt was at the Lake Washington house on Sat morning April 2nd, and was seen by Cali's girlfriend Jessica and Cali. Cali told Courtney on April 3rd Kurt was at the house, which was the day she hired Tom Grant yet she never tells Tom Kurt was at the house. Cali later tried to say he thought he was dreaming on April 2nd and didn't know Kurt had been there.

[shazzadee]

I think it's funny that "heavier than heaven" was suppose to depict courtney as this loving wife. But when you have the police reports and other accounts of the story, it shows a lot of inconsistancies. And Charles Cross makes reference to Tom Grant at the beginning but doesn't refer to him by name. "there are some people that are trying to write history and I wish them the best with that"....lol. I bought heavier than heaven thinking that it was a biography, not a work of fiction. Money wasted!

[dimeacyd]

@shazzadee Just because he doesn't think Kurt was murdered is the only reason you don't like it. Am I right?

[shazzadee]

@dimeacyd What? Please elaborate. Are you talking about the book Heavier than Heaven? I don't like that book because for the most part, it relies solely on Courtney love's account of events and there are a lot of parts that are just plain false.

[dimeacyd]

@shazzadee Heavier than Heaven has a few things wrong with it but where do you get that it was Courtney Love's account? Did you not read how many interviews he did and with how many people? Even Kim Cobain is talked to him. So where do you get that is 'solely' relied on Courtney?? If it did then I doubt he would have said Kurt wrote his suicide note in a notebook instead of on an IHOP placemat or whatever. I think she would know what he wrote it on.

[shazzadee]

Sorry I just went on a rant based off the fact that you mentioned Cali's "dream". That was first mentioned in heavier than heaven, even though in his police statement, he acknowledges that he saw kurt and called courtney to let her know.

[dimeacyd]

@veggiegurl06 He said he thought is was a dream because he had been doing drugs. Why does this not sound believable to you?

[veggiegurl06]

@dimeacyd I made that comment a year ago and you are responding to it now? I find that a little strange. Saying he thought it was a dream, had been doing drugs, blah, blah blah sounds more like BS to me than the truth. Sounds like he is trying to weasel out of admitting he had seen Kurt at the Lake Washington house and telling Courtney Kurt was there.

[TheStarfkr]

@dimeacyd

Because that version came out later. Cali claimed he told Courtney he saw Kurt at the Lake Washington home on April 2, 1994. In the book Heavier than Heaven (2001), Courtney claims he didn't tell her until April 4, and then added that he thought it was just a dream. This is very suspicious and i'm not sure why you don't view it as such.