Making LCD into Solar Panel

[TheGlamorouskiller]

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[abgl08]

The nay sayers on this video should be lashed with whips. At least he is doing something instead of sitting on his a_ _ ! It can help futher the people who have no knowledge gain what they need to further their own project or experiments. So nay to the naysayers and keep up the good work man. As far as volume or presentation this is a amature video. Come on people use some common sense and give the guy a break. I repect what he is doing as help not a burden.

[carl0sma]

was that mV or V shown on the multimeter?

[m3sca1]

@carl0sma millivolts

[anatrakya]

@m3sca1 is it about  .2 volts?

[brandonhughes7]

wouldnt that be sulfur from the candle

[m3sca1]

@brandonhughes7 the black stuff from the candle is the exhaust from the flame which is basically burnt parrafin wax.Soot is carbon,no sulfur in a candle.

[slyman928]

damn i wish i wouldn't have gotten rid of that broken lcd i had a couple years ago

[x123y234]

nice video! but if you´ve got an conductive glass (out of the lcd) why do you paint silver conductive on it? is the resistance of the glass to high?

[m3sca1]

@x123y234 i figured it would help bring the electrons out,might not have needed it at all.

[cheapsolarpanels1]

This is interesting... You've given me some idea here.

[dubbelnetolk]

You, don't need a LCD for doing this

[m3sca1]

@dubbelnetolk you need a Titanium oxide coated glass for doing this-the inside surfaces of the Liquid Crystal Display is a free source of TiO2 glass if you have a broken device that contains an LCD.The whole point of this video is to make a solar panel without the expense.

[wildthing40486]

Thanks for sharing your insightful information .

[Raku777]

I am wondering if beet juice might be a superior dye...

[m3sca1]

@Raku777 possibly,anything is worth a try

[onehundredvoices100]

IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD ACTUALLY HEAR

AND UNDERSTAND, WHAT IS BEING SAID.

[saybiodiesel]

you need to TURN up your microphone, I can barely heard you!

[Aldahbol2011]

MAN YOU'RE JEANIS!!!!

[fuzzywzhe]

Pretty neat, but how many square miles of it do you need to power a white LED?

[joeshmoyawiseguy]

can i use panels from solar garden lights?

[xtamared]

Ok granted, I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I saw the "highly quantitative measurement". But this is actually a very good demonstration of how a solar panel works. Yeah it's not incredibly cost effective, or efficient in the slightest bit, but nonetheless, it works, and he proved that the average joe can in fact make a solar panel out of household items. Solar-thermal is easier and more efficient though, might want to sick with that.

[jrw6137]

4:32 oah shiit

[josephdupont]

have you tried poke weed berries? they have an intense dye.

[mrmartyman7]

Thanks , This is very interesting !

I never saw anyone try this before, very good!

But , I would like to see a better version of this experiment /process , I did not hear any mention of you breaking glass !

Can you or someone Explain it in another video,

Explain what LCD is for people that might not know ,

and what mistakes you suggest to avoid ect...

Also can you Explain what your findings were with the multimeter ?

[superjezz]

So was that 4 or 5 wire cutters full of the titanium dioxide.......

[m3sca1]

@superjezz lol highly quantative measure i know

[watkiada]

@superjezz Bah HAHAHAH ahahah Almost fell out of my chair laughing.

[jangirke]

Better ground the leaves in a mortar.

[khoham]

YOU LIAR.. your title is making lcd into solar panel... meaning a lcd panel into a solar panel.. what you mean is the glass protecting the panel.

[m3sca1]

@khoham pay attention before you start calling people liars. the plant dye solar panel method requires tin oxide coated glass. the glass protecting the panel doesnt have this - the inside coating where the liquid crystal is, is a source of tin oxide glass. i smashed a panel and washed the liquid crystal off it.

[oxoElizaoxo]

@m3sca1 well yeah and u use basicaly only the oxide glass and i think we still call it GLASS nor that LCD have Protective GLASS panel lol

[oxoElizaoxo]

1.Polarizing filter film with a vertical axis to polarize light as it enters.

2.Glass substrate with ITO electrodes. The shapes of these electrodes will determine the shapes that will appear when the LCD is turned ON

3.Twisted nematic liquid crystal.

4.Glass substrate with common electrode film (ITO) with horizontal ridges to line up with the horizontal filter.

5.Polarizing filter film with a horizontal axis to block/pass light.

6.Reflective surface to send light back to viewer.

[Blacktronics]

@khoham even if he would lie,

he is did something productive outside,while your fat ass is writing negative,demotivating comments inside.

[TheSwabbie]

@khoham Aparently you suffer from ADD? You couldnt take a couple of minutes to WATCH THE DAMN Thing all the way through huh?? You are TOTALLY wrong, he did INDEED make a solar panel out of these materials... Moron.

[philipx2]

You have made a dye-sensitized solar cell using fruit juice. Or the berries. You can do this on any electro conductive type of glass. Great that you have done it out of LCD.

[TheGreatBunghole16]

I can't hear shit. But if I could, I bet it would be awesome! :D

[challenger159]

Nice to see somebody built a working graetzel cell at home. Nevertheless: The color from the berries (that is required for the electron injection - ask wiki) will work only for a couple of months. Currently this is still the main reason why these cells are not sold in stores.

[themooseOFpower]

hehe good stuff more power to you sir. keep at it dude alt energy all the way

[Int3rmission]

great stuff bro keep at it .alt energy sources all the way

[shadywalker]

4:33 'Ah Shit' =P

[TheShockHead]

The content and knowledge are fantastic. Your presentation is horrendous. Clean up your work station, use proper applicators - for instance a bottle cap is ridiculous when you could use an eyedropper. Explain what things are. Explain where its from. You seem to care enough to make the video; you should care about its clarity. Hack the planet.

[xdaemoon]

That is fantastic!!

What was the material what you draw silver crosses on the glass?

[m3sca1]

@xdaemoon its a product that is available thru good electronics suppliers-its 99% silver in some sort of varnish.

intended uses are repairing circuit boards and broken window heaters for anti fogging in cars.

i have another source of glass which is much bigger,so subscribe and stay posted for an update,that will include a panel which puts out more than 200 millivolts.

thanx for commenting

[UBERKron]

whoever screams fak fake fake needs to actually try this. it works but not with regular efficiency.

[jawbraeka]

This is the macguyver of soled panels .... Chicks are going to dig him!!!!

[chris779779chris]

yeah where the fucks the voltage? your meter didn't show any SCAM SCAM SCAM what joke

[m3sca1]

if you do some research you will find that low cost solar panels can be manufactured using dyes and titanium dioxide and a glass with Tin Oxide layer.

if it was a scam i would be asking for your money or providing a link to some bogus plans for a magnet motor or some such thing.

there used to be more info and easily available on the subject but it seems the big energy producers dont want us to know that we can make solar panels at home for a fraction of the cost of the ones they produce.

[klaymen]

@m3sca1 i don't think it's a scam, probably just a bit misinformation. there is most likely a good explination on why this doesn't work and where it originated, but information is not always as easy to find as we would like to think

[worldismine69]

can you light a small led and how many hour it gone work thanks for you answer

[lennchma]

You could do more detailed measuring of voltage and current. I see no voltage reading on this video, except some number -211,3. What the heck could that be?

[Cairannx]

If I were to take a guess, it's probably -211,3 mV, so a voltage of 0,2 V, but with the leads inverted on his multimeter.

So put about SEVENTY (70) of these panels in series and you could charge a "12 V" lead battery (charge voltage needs to be about 14V)

[wiserleo]

I never saw a voltage reading that showed it was actually doing anything...oh wait this is a joke, right? is that it?

[m3sca1]

no joke-this is low cost panel technology that is being kept very quiet-the big energy producers dont want this as common knowledge

[wiserleo]

could I use silver punchout scraps from circuit boards? What about the meter reading? Could you make another video showing it actually creating voltage? It seemed like this just showed the meter floating in the .220 range which is just the meter itself.

[bg0821]

look up dye sensitized solar cell and you will see the procedure being done in a lab demo

[gracenotes555]

@m3sca1 whenever anyone says it's being kept quiet, you know it's scam...

[m3sca1]

@gracenotes555 its only a scam when someone is making money from incorrect information.

this really works its just doesnt fit the "input money output energy" figures that the power companies are happy to deal up to us.

its cheaper to make your own panels than buy them.

the life span of silicon panels and cost is factored to be the same as buying power off the grid,by the time panel needs replacing.

[m3sca1]

@gracenotes555 i will be making a larger one soon to test it properly-my 1st attempt was just testing the proof of concept and i see that it works,i just need a better source of ITO layered glass than pulling apart old laptop LCD panels,think the old CRT monitor radiation screens i got at a recycler might just do the trick ;]

[bg0821]

Hey I was in my library today looking for a book on steam engines and saw a solar project book, I picked it up, and found your procedure in a chapter. Just like you did it I want to do it too I have the lcd screen but have so much going on that I would like to do its hard to decide what project to work on LOL maybe one day.......... I hope.

[CaptBart]

As sloppy as that process is, that was FANTASTIC!

[x3seriesx]

4:30 haha funny

[PuffVader]

In all my years surfing the net, I have never come across anything so simply brilliant as this.

[YouDiggety]

m3sca1,

Great video, I especially like how you source your materials! I am doing a PhD in this technology, I could send you some better chemicals and tips on eliminating some of those defects if you'd like, and then make another video? I assume you are in Oz?

[m3sca1]

i got some flouroscein and a blue dye-hopefully the flouro dye will catch UV as well...pls no chemicals...i have had enough attention with the cold fusion thing!!!

[MrKhalio]

nice & messy i think making anew one is better , thanks for your time

[pat1huey]

Well, I got an old laptop screen from a buddy of mine. The glass isnt broke, but getting all the crap off the screen is a pain in the ass! If I screw it up, he has some more for me to try :)

[m3sca1]

cool-remember i made a mistake by adding the TiO2 to both sides-so only put it on one,and try to make the layer as thin as possible-be careful cracking the screen open -cut finger potential is high!

[drawpie]

One of the best videos here so far! Have been searching the web for months.. I'll read everything and get back if there are any questions! Thx and good work mate!

[johnnecron]

why dont you try using poke berries as they are very high in staining materials. I dont know if you have poke berries where you live though.

[1foxtrot70]

I wonder if a dark blue ink would work. Certainly it would be easier and cleaner than squeezing berries.

[1gardianangel]

That is the best thing I have ever seen ;-0) WOW

[Jenn965]

That is sooo cool i wish i could try that

[Aussie50]

Amazing! good idea using the plant matter as a source of organic dye!.

I've got dozens of old laptops with TFT LCD's in them, would they behave the same or would it have to be an older style LCD like on a photocopier panel?

I guess for a bigger panel you could apply most coatings with a spray gun? like the TiO2 and carbon?

[m3sca1]

yeah im after fridge doors from the shop type-they have a ITO coating to stop frosting and allow the customer to see inside-you would be better placed to find this in your scrapping,so keep your eyes peeled-thats a lot more surface area and alot easier to get apart than a LCD panel.

the.

yeah i spose the carbon and the TiO2 could be sprayed on-but the ITO is done with electron sputtering methods....

[Aussie50]

yeah those LCD panels are a bugger to get apart without breaking them. i'll keep my eyes out for a good glass fridge door in the scrap yard, provided they don't break it with the machine :/

I'll check my old work too to see if they have some old stock black and white powdered masterbatches, their pretty much pure carbon and TiO2

[DarkTemp0]

slight problem :D

lcd pannels are better because they have a trnsparent metal oxide electrode ready coated on them :P

kind of hard to get that on a fridge door

[m3sca1]

from research i did into sources of ITO coated glass the fridge doors for shop drink fridges and the like have a coating to prevent fogging-i dont know how thick it is but anything is worth a try -given the price of conventional solar panels-thanx for commenting

[soldieroffortune1974]

That's very nice,easy and messy LOL

instead of LCD panels can you use thin plexiglass? Is there something in the LCD panel that contributes to the process?

[m3sca1]

plexigas is no good-you need a tin oxide layer on the glass-that is found in LCD panels and see thru fridge doors.

[bertotee]

how long is the life of the panel

[m3sca1]

good question-i dont know-i suppose it would be dependant on the dye breaking down-at which time it can be re-opened and fresh dye applied-fast food shop refrigerator doors would be a better source of ITO glass than pulling down an old LCD screen.

thanx for commenting

[bertotee]

Just the dye? That would be great.

[skidiezz]

looks good

[danyk666]

and what about some parameters like open Voltage and short Current ?

[m3sca1]

on request from stefan from overunitydotcom ,i will be giving those numbers shortly.

was going to do it today but it was overcast all day.

stay posted

[overunitydotcom]

Did you now measure how much short circuit current you can draw from it ?

Please just hook up a Milliamp meter and let us know the ampdraw in good lighting.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

[ATXGr33n]

Good Job buddy, But I was woundering if you can make another video, that has more detail.

this is a good video, but i would like to know if you have a improved cell.

i kinda understand how it works. thx

[m3sca1]

read the howto at overunitydotcom

the link is in the description box.

im searching for a piece of glass from a shop fridge door,that also has the ITO plating on the glass.

much bigger panel-much less hassle than disassembling an LCD screen.

then i will make a much bigger panel,and post that for everyone.

[tordherflower]

i didnt get yet the materials its need and plus and minus bar where to connect ...plz let me know...thanx a lot

[dodoshlodo]

lol! Betadine, mum always said that stuff could fix anything

[m3sca1]

LMAO-thats funny

[dodoshlodo]

great video, 5 stars.

Ive been looking for good info on Homemade cells for ages. Where did u get the LCD stuff from?

how much would a cell like that cost you to make?

[m3sca1]

the LCD was from an old Toshiba laptop.

i got all my materials for free,so i cant comment on the cost.

[dodoshlodo]

this is a bit off topic, but do u know of any good surplus electronics/military shops in aus??

I need some cheap second hand super capacitors...

any ideas M3scal??

[m3sca1]

finding big caps has always been a bit of a problem.

i was once lucky enough to find an X-ray machine going to scrap,and i got into it before it was stripped ,and got a few large caps.

try keeping an eye on Oatley electronics and one i just found out about is George Taylor Stores.

regular visits to recycling co-ops and the like can also bag a bargain.

[adeternal]

You may find one in an old microwave.

[74VDC]

What size caps are you looking for?

[bg0821]

Do regular flat screen monitors desktop type have lcd screens in them also?

[m3sca1]

yep.

[GBluer]

Very Nice Thanks for showing this.

5 stars

[ChrisPCrunchy]

Great vid, people can see that with a little knowledge they can make and do things for themselves instead of being totally dependant on those who may not have our best interests in mind.

Thanks.

[m3sca1]

thats the idea exactly-thanx for commenting.

[kubikop]

Nice!

How much power does it put out?

Paul

[m3sca1]

roughly 0.25 volts

[dodoshlodo]

Amps?

[overunitydotcom]

The sunlight conversion just only happens between the ITO-TIO2 surface layer that is exposed to sunlight.

The smaller this layer is, the better the conversion,

so just try to make this very thin, just a few mikrometer.

So it was a good idea to burn the TIO2 into the ITO with a hot gun.

Regards, Stefan.

[overunitydotcom]

Hi Matt,

why did you put TIO2 onto the plate with the graphite from the candle ?

Normally you need only one ITO-TIO2 PN-layer and the other glas must only have graphite as the other electrode.

The silver is okay to collect the electron current from the graphite,

so you just could use a silver painted glas or plastic plate where you would have put the graphite onto the silver.

So you could spare one ITO coated glasplate.

[m3sca1]

yes thanx for pointing that out-it was a mistake.

[harpbloke]

100% mate ! i searched and searched, learnt, got overwelmed,

and, after giving up months back, you post this awesome video.

and you explained it perfectly and simple..

thanks heaps

[RunesOfPrussia]

By the way, awesome work mate

[RunesOfPrussia]

How many volts where you able to pull out of it? Also how high were the amps?

[m3sca1]

a little over 0.25 volts.

havent measured amps yet.

the glue hasnt even dried yet!

[crob227]

First homemade solar cell i have ever seen congradulations, maybe you have started a new trend.

[m3sca1]

thanx mate.

start a trend?

yeah i hope so!

[samking12]

wow really cool were u learn that?

[m3sca1]

saw it in a magazine about 6 months ago-and rised to the challenge after someone said that a PV cell cant be made at home.

did my homework and winged it from there.

thanx for commenting

[overunitydotcom]

Do you use the silver paint for the collection of the current from the ITO coated glas or what is it for ?

How did you connect the other pole to the

graphite from the candle ?

[m3sca1]

yes the paint was for collecting the current.

the carbon was on top of the TIO2 and the silver track was under both and took the current to the plate edge.

[overunitydotcom]

To my knowledge the real PN-layer, which is responsible for the light to electricity conversion is between the ITO layer and the titandioxid layer,

so probably a setup with the right Idium-Tin-Oxid to TiO2 layer and graphite for the electrical collection should also work somehow...

We have to find out the best setup for the best electrical output from selfmade materials.

[overunitydotcom]

Did you try other electrlyte instead of the septic iodid solution ?

Does it also work with just saltwater or KOH- or NaOH-water solutions ?

[m3sca1]

this is the first one-so no to either

[overunitydotcom]

Did you try to measure the short circuit current with your meter too ?

How many milliamps do you get for this cell in optimal sunlight ?

[m3sca1]

i measured it before the glue has dried-so it was as quick as possible.

[overunitydotcom]

Great video I posted it here:

overunityDOTcom / index.php ?topic=6699.0

Remove all the spaces to go there and replace the DOT with a real "." dot.

Please post some more descriptions over there.

Is there a cheap process to coat glas with an ITO layer so you could also selfmade the ITO coated glas ?

[m3sca1]

i dont know of a cheap process for the ITO layer-thats why i went for the LCD panel after researching the uses for ITO i found that the LCD had it and that to be the obvious choice.

not sure if should have used the silver conducting paint so much,nor layed the TiO2 as thick as i did,but we can only improve form here.

choice of dye ,and sources of iodide/iodine etc

[pat1huey]

So any glass will work if it has a tin oxide coating? This is the first real homemade solar panel I have seen. Nice work.

[m3sca1]

yes any glass with a tin oxide coating can be used.

thanx for commenting

[tjgame2]

Dude!!!

[m3sca1]

ya like that?

=]

[tjgame2]

Very much.

 Thank You

[overunitydotcom]

Did you just use the TiO2 as a layer without

burning it into the ITO coated glas ?

Did you just let it dry in the sun ?

Was that 0.2 Volts or 2.xxx Volts ?

What is the short circuit amperage you get from it ?

Many thanks.

[m3sca1]

270 millivolts tops-not short circuit-that was just the potential,and in all a very rudimentry attempt.

i just needed to see if i could build something that works,to see if it is worth going bigger and trying different combinations of metals and electrolytes.

i want more peopleto jump on board

i am sending you a PM...

[batteryphil]

good idea. is there more detailed plans i can get my hands on? i could build it from your video, but i wouldnt understand how it all worked. what does the die do?

[m3sca1]

i just winged it from the description of how they worked.

hardest part was getting the LCD panel apart.

need a whole video just for that.

the reason i used the LCD glass is it has a Tin Oxide layer that was required for the dye panel chemistry.

look it up on google and there is stuff on youtube too.

i just sent you a vid of how it works.

[batteryphil]

thanks for the video. i think ill try this myself

[m3sca1]

sweet-follow overunitydotcom's link-there will be more descriptions posted there shortly

[overunitydotcom]

Great video !

What voltage did you get ?

Over 2 Volts ?

Can you please post an exact replication info

at overunityDOTcom in the solar energy

board ?

Many thanks in advance.

Regards, Stefan.

[m3sca1]

it was 0.2 volts-not bad for a first attempt i thought.

hit it briefly with a heat gun after sun drying.

made sure that the TiO2 would not wash off with water after the process and went from there.