I think more vegans should get involved in the skeptical community. It changed my life and is what lead me to ethics, thus to veganism. Anyone interested, check out "The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe". It's free and great fun (best outlet is itunes)
1. Animals are not equal to humans, if you genuinely think the worth of a cute furry animal is equal to a human child then say, hypothetically, you'd make a lousy firefighter.
2. Veganism does not equal non-violence; violence and hatred are not intrinsically evil, nor is racism.
3. Racism is a perfectly natural instinct to preserve one's own race, animals are no different.
4. You presupposed that racists must hate other races, that is not the definition of racism.
@ProlifeVeganAryan@ProlifeVeganAryan And you would make a lousy firefighter if you would always save a white person in a burning house over a black person. If you examine the amount of harm racism has inflicted on humanity, I would say it is pretty fucking evil. Racism may be part of our nature, but that does not make it good or acceptable. That's a naturalistic fallacy.
Racism provides an evolutionary edge, hence it's hard-wired in your brains. Considering to see no difference between choosing the life of a cute furry animal or a human child (anti-speciesism) is worse than seeing no difference between saving the life of a black or white person (anti-racism).
Yes, if I were to choose between saving a person's life based on race, I would favour my own, just as a parent would favour saving his child over someone elses in a burning building
Racism is as inevitable and natural between the races as the lust between the genders. The only way racism can be realistically reduced is through racial separation.
Any race that ceases to be racist shall cease to exist. Races will always favour their own race above that other races, just as family members will favour their own over non-relatives.
Funny how you automatically assumed white over black. That's because the word racist is almost always applied to whites
@ProlifeVeganAryan All of your arguments revolve around the assumption that what is natural is good. If this was correct, why are you on a computer? You say racism gives an evolutionary edge. You know what else does? Rape. Not everything that gives an evolutionary edge is good.
My opinion: fuck nature. Penicillin and fertilized farming are unnatural. Dying of rotten teeth at a young age is natural.
Also, tell me when anti-racism has been as bad as the holocaust and slavery.
No racism isn't evil, you're just referring to extremely negative examples of racism. Any extreme can make virtually anything appear negative and unwholesome such as veganism, anti-racists, religion, etc.
Anti-racism is just pseudo-moral fluff that people speak of, but rarely apply to their lives, especially if they are racially conscious and prefer the company of their own race. Probably because anti-racism isn't natural, and thus goes against human instinct
In the US we keep our cruelty to other species hidden in slaughterhouses and 'cept for PETAs' undercover vids we would not know alot of the awful truth of torture.
Asians on the other hand blatantly post their cruelty and don't seem to give it a second thought.
Except for other vegans I can not stand most other people. They stick to their ignorant ideas even when cold hard FACTS are shoved in their faces.
I really want to be tolerant but I feel pretty burnt out. To sum it up: just go vegan!
Thank you for raising awareness of this issue that is connected between racism and speciecism. I too was appalled at all of the hate many people felt towards Japan. Just because they kill dolphins(which are not endangered) and whales. This connects to a comment I saw where someone said that Pigs, Cows, Chickens, were meant for eating but killing whales is just cruel. I don't understand why certain species have "priority" over others. Thank you for giving a good name to vegans! Peace.
To all other vegans Set up local groups in your area findout who is vegans in your area, get vegans connected, vegans as one are much stronger its time to unite and expand the truth to the world and let society evolve and overcome its last great hurdle known as specieisism.
Society can see a fully clear world, not being delusional feels so much clearer and ethical, if everyone felt this way the world would be truly heavenly.
revenge is not important in this war, if we vegans want revenge on the meat eaters and killed then we are satisfying ourselves and our emotive base of our own perfect world.
It's not about us, its about the animals, lets forgive our enemies and let love portrayal through their veins, love containing a message, a message of change and of hope, hence bring forth the dream and never back down.
@TypicalUsername1 my point is: do not become as hateful as what you see in others, and realize that creating a better world starts with "YOU" , not with what another does.
its nice to know that if you had head lice or crabs you would lett them live and breed on you,and if your house has roaches let them be,that woman has AIDS so dont try to cure her its a form of life like syphilis,or should we leave it up to you what life forms should be eradicated,the Galapagos marine iguana is endangerd but its not cute and cuddly like the panda is it,would you give gangrene the same rights as a handfull of maggots or horse or drug addict,this is the world we live in,good init.
I'm not saying I would intentionally kill an ant, but I think a human life is worth more than an ant. You could say that's discriminative and therefore speciesist, but to me it's just logical.
I know what you are getting at though - in general it's likely that a vegan would also be anti-racist/anti-sexist. But people are so diverse in their thinking and ideals, you can't expect a whole cross-section of society to share the exact same principles.
Not all vegans are nice people, people have different reasons for going vegan - some of them for selfish reasons. While many vegans are against unnecessary animal cruelty, not all subscribe to the idea that all species are equal. I'm a vegan myself because I don't think animal exploitation for food is ethical when we don't need it to thrive. But I'll never view ant as equal with a human. I'm vegan, but I'm also speciesist (like 99.9% of people + vegans).
i agree! this has come up on fb re: fur farming or dog eating. Americans indignantly writing "how could they!" and "these people need to...". murder is murder - there are bloodthirsty sadists of every skin color torturing animals everywhere. Not to mention the vast majority of the time the countries they refer to are super poor. Third world countries eat much less animal. They consume less period. They have a much smaller carbon footprint.
Well said , i cant belive people dont see things this way :'( I cry when i think about animals being killed. go vegans! im subscribing thank you for shearing this with everyone! :)
Thats so true, i can belive heeps of people don't think about this :'( Im a vegan and im 13 years old, being vegan in high school is hard. I find it wired how Meat eaters can say anything they want about vegans. People tell me ' dont think veganism is healthy, you NEED meat and dairy! ' god, they dont evan know the first thing about vegans! i tell them: 'dont get me started' because i could go on and on about it XD I love your videos, Your the first person im subscribing too, GO VEGANS!!
Are plants not respected like animals? If not, why not? If it's for something like, they're not sentient, then can't one be accused of being a "sentientist" - bigoted against non-sentient beings, and so on?
If it's because of something like, "I just make a distinction btwn animal life and plant life, isn't that like someone saying, "I just make a distinction btwn human animals and non human animals(so called, speciesist)?
@Epic878787 No, plants are not respected like animals. Animals (or, more specifically, sentient beings) are sentient. This means that they have interests in their own lives, whereas plants don't. A plant doesn't experience its life, despite having a life. No, it is not bigotry to discern among sentient and non-sentient beings. (Continued...)
@Epic878787 (...concluded.) A gynecologist choosing to not perform a Pap smear on a male patient is not being sexist; sex is relevant to the procedure. Unlike speciesism (irrational discrimination on the basis of species), sentience is a morally relevant criterion for how we interact with others. Because animals are sentient, we must be vegan. Because plants are not sentient, we're not violating their interests by eating them. I hope that answers your question!
@TEPutnam So, to put it another way, is it basically that plants don't "experience" life so they are not interested in living so they can't "want" to live, thus, it's okay to kill and eat them?
Maybe it's not the "wanting" to live but something else you're getting at with the word, "interest". After all, it could be said that, at times sentient beings don't want to live but I don't think you would consider that as justification to kill and eat a suicidal human.
Some vegans don't think animals have the same rights as humans, and aren't the same. While I think animals need to be respected, I don't think they hold the same status as humans.
@godsfiddler Not even all humans hold the same status as each other. What's clear, though, is that all sentient beings, by virtue of being sentient and no other necessary criterion, have the basic moral right to not be regarded as resources. We needn't figure out whether cows should have the right to vote (Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) or the right to marry (Article 16). Regardless of our prejudices about their moral worth vs. our own, veganism is the least we owe.
Wow... I had never heard people say that about the Japanese! That horrified me when I heard that! I couldn't imagine that people thought that that tragedy could be deserved. I knew some Fundamentalist Christians were saying things like that, but I didn't know it was coming from the vegan community as well.
Vegans ? Really?....I guess it does not surprise me..but i feel sorta off guard from the statement cuz i never thought about it.. Like right when you said that I had an image in my head of a man wearing a shirt that says "Powered by Tofu" and then holding up an anti Muslim sign " But i get what you are talking about. Some Vegan Fight for equality at first..but then turn around and put Animal above us ... When I think of Vegan I think of Knowledge. So your right they should know better.
@MyOwnCasket Actually, I read the first known use was in 1970. OK, so on that issue I stand corrected. So if there is such a thing, why are humans the only culprits? Lions eat antelope, does that make them "speciesists"? My papillon likes to chase squirrels, then kill and eat them. Is she a speciesist? Even deer have been known to eat birds, does that make them speciesists? The list of this practice goes on and on all across many family groups.
@TimmyGal When Animals kill - it's almost always for pure survival. We don't need meat to survive. We Breed and abduct animals. Keep them chained or lock in cages in tell we are ready to either kill them, or use them as some form of entertainment. Plus using the word "speciesism" means more for when people claim they love animals. But then they eat a double cheese burger..what they really mean is they love SOME animals (Cat/Dog/Gold fish) but are using speciesism for cows/pigs/chicken ect. ect
@MyOwnCasket Then I guess I am a speciesist. LOL! Because I like dogs, cats, ferrets, I even think cows, pigs and chickens are cute. Yet I would eat a chicken breast in a heartbeat.
The utopia you believe in will only exist when capitalism, materialism,nationalism is gone. I wouldn't hold my breath. i think everyone is prejudiced and/or bigoted about something or someone. I for example don't like gays,feminist and atheist. It may not be rational but it's the truth. I know some racism is caused by a person's experience with a group. They become racist because they had bad experience with a group and then they equate everyone from that group the same
(cont.) from a big picture, each japanese meat-eater who died likely spared thousands more animal deaths than what a haitan would have. i might be stereotyping based on economically deprived countries, but it would seem haiti would hunt more than factory farm animals. this means the animals they did kill suffered considerably less than those of japanese. all of that being said, i refuse to make negative/racist comments toward either country for their latest catastrophes.
@StopmeatGoveg wrote: "from a big picture, each japanese meat-eater who died likely spared thousands more animal deaths than what a haitan would have."
While it's clear that going into schools and shooting young people is an effective way of reducing exploitation of nonhuman animals and of our environment, it is morally wrong. It doesn't matter, from a big picture or a small picture or any picture whatsoever, if a Japanese person kills more animals on average than a Haitian. Racism is wrong.
@TEPutnam i'm not justifying racist comments nor am i stating them! i'm just giving my theory on why people are apparently slamming japan now, when they gave haiti so much sorrow. i am just going off what porolita is claiming in her video. chill the ef out.
i understand your argument, but the striking difference b/n haiti and japan is one is impoverished while the other prospers economically. that being said, people (in my opinion) felt sorry for (literally) poor haiti, while potential jealousy/competition of japan (their resources, their population, power, etc.) put a target on their back. from a vegan standpoint, more resourceful countries (and with more people) can afford to raise and kill more animals, making japan's target even larger.
@StopmeatGoveg, that wasn't my experience of the recent racism. No one I saw posting racist remarks gave any hint of jealousy, competition, or envy for the people or social institutions of Japan. Instead, many animal advocates demonstrate what Professor Gary Francione calls "moral schizophrenia"—we love some animals, but we harm others. Dogs and cats (for example) are lovable beings, while cows and chickens (for example) are mere things. (Continued...)
@StopmeatGoveg (...continued from previous...) The animal advocates posting racist remarks see the whales and dolphins as special animals. Many of these advocates have been inflamed by such productions as _Whale Wars_ and _The Cove_, both of which fuel widespread anger against the Japanese for doing what the rest of the world, including people in our own neighborhoods, do to other nonhuman animals. (...continued...)
@TEPutnam i'm not familiar with those shows but am aware of whale hunting. yes, i don't understand that either - admire some animals while slaughtering others, just as i don't understand people who would discriminate against certain people (japanese) for their disgusting acts towards animals while dismissing other countries (including their own) that do just as (if not more) disgusting acts towards other animals. total hypocrisy. so yea, i'm with you on those things!
@StopmeatGoveg (...concluded from previous.) We need to recognize that all animal exploitation is morally wrong, that being vegan is our personal application of nonviolence and justice in our own lives, and that creative, nonviolent vegan education is the means by which to address these problems. Racism, and the arbitrary vilification of an entire nation on the basis of only two of their forms of oppression, are incompatible with the anti-oppression work we need to be doing.
I agree with most of what your views, certainly I would expect vegans to be more tolerant and considerate towards all life, on the tiny rock we call Earth.
Personally I find it very hard not to put a lot of humans in a box of labeled "epic fail". You don't see animals screwing each other over for a percentage or killing each other because of a belief in a fairytale.
Yup. It's stupid. All countries have fucked up animal cultures. The people as a whole do not support it - it is businesses exploiting ignorance that is the corruption. Like everywhere. And the majority shouldn't matter, anyway. We're supposed to be alleviating suffering, not feeling vindicate by it.
Racism is a meaningless word since there are no races other than the human race. So the people that is considered racist are just people with an empathy deficit.
Racism is a meaningless word since there are no races other than the human race. So the people that is considered racist are just people with an emphathy deficit.
0:11 it's ironic because the image in itself is racist and sexist to other minorities and the other gender, by implying that hate against african americans and woman are only what's considered racist or sexist.
No, she is not talking about Alexandra. Haven't you heard in these past days some people expressing idea that since Japan kills whales they deserve what they got?
I agree with you. Empaty and compassion are at the center of the vegan lifestyle, why should we forgo that when it comes to Japan? Are the children who were killed in this disaser deserving of their fate because some people of their ethnicity killed a dolphin or a whale? Nonsense.
I COMPLETELY agree with you! The people who say that Japan kills dolphins need to realize that their country kills cows and pigs and other animals. A cow should have the same right to it's life that a dolphin or whale has. Life is life. You pretty much just said it all. Part of being vegan is not only for the animals but for equality for everyone. If we care so much about the rights and equality of animals, then we should care about the rights and equality of every species and race. Great video!
I'm so glad that my news feed was absent hate-filled messages from my friends during this rough time for Japan. I'm surprised though, sadly I still meet vegans here in the USA that wish all kinds of diseases and complications upon meat eating humans. Veganism is anti-violence, unfortunately people still think humans are deserving of their arrogance and hate.
Well said. I was shocked at some of the opinions of my friends about the same thing. It just didn't occur to me that anyone could tar ALL the people from a country with the same brush and say they deserved the horrible situation Japan is going through. True compassion knows no bounds, be they race, gender, creed or species. :)
@dismutased unconditional love is what we need to grow ... everything is ok under the sky actually, it is up to the individual to see it, whatever is happening now is the collective karma we have to endure, if we want a paradise on earth then grow your unconditional love now :d ...
@dismutased Not sure about the "creed" thing. I'm nice to people of faith, but I challenging them over it is perfectly justified. Race, gender and species are things that are beyond one's control. Individual cases of being incorrect or even unfair are worthy of challenging
I have a honest question here. When your speaking of specism and rights for animals. Well with Rights come responsiblities...so if we were to give animals rights in the same way we give to humans (and yes humans are animals I know) what kind of responsiblities would they be expected to have?
@Shirotora1979 Rights protect interests, the basic right we ought to give to nonhumans is the right not to be used as objects, the right to live. The same responsibilities that humans have cannot be applied in all respects to nonhumans because of obvious reasons. Would animals be given ALL the rights humans have? (right to education, to vote, etc) No. But in the respects that we are the same, that we are sentient beings with an interest in life, those rights needs to be respected.
@porolita22 good answer and missed it earlier. I was not asking to be confrontational but merly to define the term used. While I don't agree in all regards I like the video as a whole.
@porolita22 Damn, well said. Now, about the above video. I kinda agree, I'm vegan(well to be honest except for yogurt) and yes it is for totally ethical reasons, but humans will always hate humans and I don't see that ever changing.
I've left commets re: the very recent incident of the chinese being run over and ignored by passerbys and in other vids where asians never helped(but filmed)hurt animals. to be cont.
@VeganMudblood Not to steal and behave as well obeying their parents. Also as the child grows so does his/her responsiblties within society. They are taught many as they grow in age and experince and they are still expected to obey the laws set by the society. So my question still stands.
I think more vegans should get involved in the skeptical community. It changed my life and is what lead me to ethics, thus to veganism. Anyone interested, check out "The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe". It's free and great fun (best outlet is itunes)
tommyk77 2 months ago
@porolita22
1. Animals are not equal to humans, if you genuinely think the worth of a cute furry animal is equal to a human child then say, hypothetically, you'd make a lousy firefighter.
2. Veganism does not equal non-violence; violence and hatred are not intrinsically evil, nor is racism.
3. Racism is a perfectly natural instinct to preserve one's own race, animals are no different.
4. You presupposed that racists must hate other races, that is not the definition of racism.
ProlifeVeganAryan 2 months ago
@ProlifeVeganAryan @ProlifeVeganAryan And you would make a lousy firefighter if you would always save a white person in a burning house over a black person. If you examine the amount of harm racism has inflicted on humanity, I would say it is pretty fucking evil. Racism may be part of our nature, but that does not make it good or acceptable. That's a naturalistic fallacy.
Skillbus 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Skillbus
Racism provides an evolutionary edge, hence it's hard-wired in your brains. Considering to see no difference between choosing the life of a cute furry animal or a human child (anti-speciesism) is worse than seeing no difference between saving the life of a black or white person (anti-racism).
Yes, if I were to choose between saving a person's life based on race, I would favour my own, just as a parent would favour saving his child over someone elses in a burning building
ProlifeVeganAryan 2 months ago
@Skillbus
Racism is as inevitable and natural between the races as the lust between the genders. The only way racism can be realistically reduced is through racial separation.
Any race that ceases to be racist shall cease to exist. Races will always favour their own race above that other races, just as family members will favour their own over non-relatives.
Funny how you automatically assumed white over black. That's because the word racist is almost always applied to whites
ProlifeVeganAryan 2 months ago
@ProlifeVeganAryan All of your arguments revolve around the assumption that what is natural is good. If this was correct, why are you on a computer? You say racism gives an evolutionary edge. You know what else does? Rape. Not everything that gives an evolutionary edge is good.
My opinion: fuck nature. Penicillin and fertilized farming are unnatural. Dying of rotten teeth at a young age is natural.
Also, tell me when anti-racism has been as bad as the holocaust and slavery.
Skillbus 2 months ago
@Skillbus
No racism isn't evil, you're just referring to extremely negative examples of racism. Any extreme can make virtually anything appear negative and unwholesome such as veganism, anti-racists, religion, etc.
Anti-racism is just pseudo-moral fluff that people speak of, but rarely apply to their lives, especially if they are racially conscious and prefer the company of their own race. Probably because anti-racism isn't natural, and thus goes against human instinct
ProlifeVeganAryan 2 months ago
If you want to be completely Vegan and still want to eat yogurt, why don't you make your own? All Vegan ingredients.
PandaXGurl2011 2 months ago
In the US we keep our cruelty to other species hidden in slaughterhouses and 'cept for PETAs' undercover vids we would not know alot of the awful truth of torture.
Asians on the other hand blatantly post their cruelty and don't seem to give it a second thought.
Except for other vegans I can not stand most other people. They stick to their ignorant ideas even when cold hard FACTS are shoved in their faces.
I really want to be tolerant but I feel pretty burnt out. To sum it up: just go vegan!
chainamarie03 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
Thank you for raising awareness of this issue that is connected between racism and speciecism. I too was appalled at all of the hate many people felt towards Japan. Just because they kill dolphins(which are not endangered) and whales. This connects to a comment I saw where someone said that Pigs, Cows, Chickens, were meant for eating but killing whales is just cruel. I don't understand why certain species have "priority" over others. Thank you for giving a good name to vegans! Peace.
1nerdykid 3 months ago
I have to admit I'm speciesist against roaches. I just can't stand them. *shudders*
Arikiel 4 months ago
To all other vegans Set up local groups in your area findout who is vegans in your area, get vegans connected, vegans as one are much stronger its time to unite and expand the truth to the world and let society evolve and overcome its last great hurdle known as specieisism.
Society can see a fully clear world, not being delusional feels so much clearer and ethical, if everyone felt this way the world would be truly heavenly.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
revenge is not important in this war, if we vegans want revenge on the meat eaters and killed then we are satisfying ourselves and our emotive base of our own perfect world.
It's not about us, its about the animals, lets forgive our enemies and let love portrayal through their veins, love containing a message, a message of change and of hope, hence bring forth the dream and never back down.
deanmullen10 5 months ago
i'm glad that i'm new subscriber
spareld 6 months ago
a lot of hateful vegans out there
Koolvedge 6 months ago
@Koolvedge A lot of hateful meat eaters too. People are naturally hateful sometimes, your point?
TypicalUsername1 6 months ago in playlist More videos from porolita22
@TypicalUsername1 my point is: do not become as hateful as what you see in others, and realize that creating a better world starts with "YOU" , not with what another does.
Koolvedge 6 months ago
@Koolvedge Oh i see. That's very true :)
TypicalUsername1 6 months ago
its nice to know that if you had head lice or crabs you would lett them live and breed on you,and if your house has roaches let them be,that woman has AIDS so dont try to cure her its a form of life like syphilis,or should we leave it up to you what life forms should be eradicated,the Galapagos marine iguana is endangerd but its not cute and cuddly like the panda is it,would you give gangrene the same rights as a handfull of maggots or horse or drug addict,this is the world we live in,good init.
mickytwoknives 6 months ago
I'm not saying I would intentionally kill an ant, but I think a human life is worth more than an ant. You could say that's discriminative and therefore speciesist, but to me it's just logical.
I know what you are getting at though - in general it's likely that a vegan would also be anti-racist/anti-sexist. But people are so diverse in their thinking and ideals, you can't expect a whole cross-section of society to share the exact same principles.
I like your vids, keep up the good work ;)
gtrmussa 7 months ago
Not all vegans are nice people, people have different reasons for going vegan - some of them for selfish reasons. While many vegans are against unnecessary animal cruelty, not all subscribe to the idea that all species are equal. I'm a vegan myself because I don't think animal exploitation for food is ethical when we don't need it to thrive. But I'll never view ant as equal with a human. I'm vegan, but I'm also speciesist (like 99.9% of people + vegans).
gtrmussa 7 months ago
i agree! this has come up on fb re: fur farming or dog eating. Americans indignantly writing "how could they!" and "these people need to...". murder is murder - there are bloodthirsty sadists of every skin color torturing animals everywhere. Not to mention the vast majority of the time the countries they refer to are super poor. Third world countries eat much less animal. They consume less period. They have a much smaller carbon footprint.
thatbitchonskates 8 months ago
so good! (like the idea of a vegan country!)
balaftuna 10 months ago
Well said , i cant belive people dont see things this way :'( I cry when i think about animals being killed. go vegans! im subscribing thank you for shearing this with everyone! :)
foxpuff333 10 months ago
Thats so true, i can belive heeps of people don't think about this :'( Im a vegan and im 13 years old, being vegan in high school is hard. I find it wired how Meat eaters can say anything they want about vegans. People tell me ' dont think veganism is healthy, you NEED meat and dairy! ' god, they dont evan know the first thing about vegans! i tell them: 'dont get me started' because i could go on and on about it XD I love your videos, Your the first person im subscribing too, GO VEGANS!!
foxpuff333 10 months ago
Just a question, prob asked before...
Are plants not respected like animals? If not, why not? If it's for something like, they're not sentient, then can't one be accused of being a "sentientist" - bigoted against non-sentient beings, and so on?
If it's because of something like, "I just make a distinction btwn animal life and plant life, isn't that like someone saying, "I just make a distinction btwn human animals and non human animals(so called, speciesist)?
Epic878787 11 months ago
@Epic878787 No, plants are not respected like animals. Animals (or, more specifically, sentient beings) are sentient. This means that they have interests in their own lives, whereas plants don't. A plant doesn't experience its life, despite having a life. No, it is not bigotry to discern among sentient and non-sentient beings. (Continued...)
TEPutnam 10 months ago
@Epic878787 (...concluded.) A gynecologist choosing to not perform a Pap smear on a male patient is not being sexist; sex is relevant to the procedure. Unlike speciesism (irrational discrimination on the basis of species), sentience is a morally relevant criterion for how we interact with others. Because animals are sentient, we must be vegan. Because plants are not sentient, we're not violating their interests by eating them. I hope that answers your question!
TEPutnam 10 months ago
@TEPutnam So, to put it another way, is it basically that plants don't "experience" life so they are not interested in living so they can't "want" to live, thus, it's okay to kill and eat them?
Maybe it's not the "wanting" to live but something else you're getting at with the word, "interest". After all, it could be said that, at times sentient beings don't want to live but I don't think you would consider that as justification to kill and eat a suicidal human.
Epic878787 10 months ago
Some vegans don't think animals have the same rights as humans, and aren't the same. While I think animals need to be respected, I don't think they hold the same status as humans.
godsfiddler 11 months ago
@godsfiddler Not even all humans hold the same status as each other. What's clear, though, is that all sentient beings, by virtue of being sentient and no other necessary criterion, have the basic moral right to not be regarded as resources. We needn't figure out whether cows should have the right to vote (Article 21 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) or the right to marry (Article 16). Regardless of our prejudices about their moral worth vs. our own, veganism is the least we owe.
TEPutnam 10 months ago
Wow... I had never heard people say that about the Japanese! That horrified me when I heard that! I couldn't imagine that people thought that that tragedy could be deserved. I knew some Fundamentalist Christians were saying things like that, but I didn't know it was coming from the vegan community as well.
shiz1246 11 months ago
Vegans ? Really?....I guess it does not surprise me..but i feel sorta off guard from the statement cuz i never thought about it.. Like right when you said that I had an image in my head of a man wearing a shirt that says "Powered by Tofu" and then holding up an anti Muslim sign " But i get what you are talking about. Some Vegan Fight for equality at first..but then turn around and put Animal above us ... When I think of Vegan I think of Knowledge. So your right they should know better.
MyOwnCasket 11 months ago
There is no such thing as "speciesism". Vegans ripped that off from Dr. Doolittle 2.
TimmyGal 11 months ago
@TimmyGal Webster Dictionary Definition of SPECIESISM ...
1: prejudice or discrimination based on species; especially : discrimination against animals
2: the assumption of human superiority on which speciesism is based
First Known Use of SPECIESISM 1973 (Remind me..what year did Dr. Doolittle 2 come out)
MyOwnCasket 11 months ago
@MyOwnCasket Actually, I read the first known use was in 1970. OK, so on that issue I stand corrected. So if there is such a thing, why are humans the only culprits? Lions eat antelope, does that make them "speciesists"? My papillon likes to chase squirrels, then kill and eat them. Is she a speciesist? Even deer have been known to eat birds, does that make them speciesists? The list of this practice goes on and on all across many family groups.
TimmyGal 11 months ago
@TimmyGal When Animals kill - it's almost always for pure survival. We don't need meat to survive. We Breed and abduct animals. Keep them chained or lock in cages in tell we are ready to either kill them, or use them as some form of entertainment. Plus using the word "speciesism" means more for when people claim they love animals. But then they eat a double cheese burger..what they really mean is they love SOME animals (Cat/Dog/Gold fish) but are using speciesism for cows/pigs/chicken ect. ect
MyOwnCasket 11 months ago
@MyOwnCasket Then I guess I am a speciesist. LOL! Because I like dogs, cats, ferrets, I even think cows, pigs and chickens are cute. Yet I would eat a chicken breast in a heartbeat.
TimmyGal 11 months ago
@TimmyGal and there you have it...
MyOwnCasket 11 months ago
The utopia you believe in will only exist when capitalism, materialism,nationalism is gone. I wouldn't hold my breath. i think everyone is prejudiced and/or bigoted about something or someone. I for example don't like gays,feminist and atheist. It may not be rational but it's the truth. I know some racism is caused by a person's experience with a group. They become racist because they had bad experience with a group and then they equate everyone from that group the same
ubermisogynist 11 months ago
Thanks for all you do for animals!
Fatal616 11 months ago
Antartica, even though it's not really a country. And it's inhabbitibal. lol
JohnathenDavis 11 months ago
(cont.) from a big picture, each japanese meat-eater who died likely spared thousands more animal deaths than what a haitan would have. i might be stereotyping based on economically deprived countries, but it would seem haiti would hunt more than factory farm animals. this means the animals they did kill suffered considerably less than those of japanese. all of that being said, i refuse to make negative/racist comments toward either country for their latest catastrophes.
StopmeatGoveg 11 months ago
@StopmeatGoveg wrote: "from a big picture, each japanese meat-eater who died likely spared thousands more animal deaths than what a haitan would have."
While it's clear that going into schools and shooting young people is an effective way of reducing exploitation of nonhuman animals and of our environment, it is morally wrong. It doesn't matter, from a big picture or a small picture or any picture whatsoever, if a Japanese person kills more animals on average than a Haitian. Racism is wrong.
TEPutnam 11 months ago
@TEPutnam i'm not justifying racist comments nor am i stating them! i'm just giving my theory on why people are apparently slamming japan now, when they gave haiti so much sorrow. i am just going off what porolita is claiming in her video. chill the ef out.
StopmeatGoveg 11 months ago
i understand your argument, but the striking difference b/n haiti and japan is one is impoverished while the other prospers economically. that being said, people (in my opinion) felt sorry for (literally) poor haiti, while potential jealousy/competition of japan (their resources, their population, power, etc.) put a target on their back. from a vegan standpoint, more resourceful countries (and with more people) can afford to raise and kill more animals, making japan's target even larger.
StopmeatGoveg 11 months ago
@StopmeatGoveg, that wasn't my experience of the recent racism. No one I saw posting racist remarks gave any hint of jealousy, competition, or envy for the people or social institutions of Japan. Instead, many animal advocates demonstrate what Professor Gary Francione calls "moral schizophrenia"—we love some animals, but we harm others. Dogs and cats (for example) are lovable beings, while cows and chickens (for example) are mere things. (Continued...)
TEPutnam 11 months ago
@StopmeatGoveg (...continued from previous...) The animal advocates posting racist remarks see the whales and dolphins as special animals. Many of these advocates have been inflamed by such productions as _Whale Wars_ and _The Cove_, both of which fuel widespread anger against the Japanese for doing what the rest of the world, including people in our own neighborhoods, do to other nonhuman animals. (...continued...)
TEPutnam 11 months ago
@TEPutnam i'm not familiar with those shows but am aware of whale hunting. yes, i don't understand that either - admire some animals while slaughtering others, just as i don't understand people who would discriminate against certain people (japanese) for their disgusting acts towards animals while dismissing other countries (including their own) that do just as (if not more) disgusting acts towards other animals. total hypocrisy. so yea, i'm with you on those things!
StopmeatGoveg 11 months ago
@StopmeatGoveg (...concluded from previous.) We need to recognize that all animal exploitation is morally wrong, that being vegan is our personal application of nonviolence and justice in our own lives, and that creative, nonviolent vegan education is the means by which to address these problems. Racism, and the arbitrary vilification of an entire nation on the basis of only two of their forms of oppression, are incompatible with the anti-oppression work we need to be doing.
TEPutnam 11 months ago
I agree with most of what your views, certainly I would expect vegans to be more tolerant and considerate towards all life, on the tiny rock we call Earth.
Personally I find it very hard not to put a lot of humans in a box of labeled "epic fail". You don't see animals screwing each other over for a percentage or killing each other because of a belief in a fairytale.
HollyMP77 11 months ago
Are you at work?
Samboras4star 11 months ago
Yup. It's stupid. All countries have fucked up animal cultures. The people as a whole do not support it - it is businesses exploiting ignorance that is the corruption. Like everywhere. And the majority shouldn't matter, anyway. We're supposed to be alleviating suffering, not feeling vindicate by it.
thestreetsempty 11 months ago
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Racism is a meaningless word since there are no races other than the human race. So the people that is considered racist are just people with an empathy deficit.
XxXFafnerXxX 11 months ago
Racism is a meaningless word since there are no races other than the human race. So the people that is considered racist are just people with an emphathy deficit.
XxXFafnerXxX 11 months ago
0:11 it's ironic because the image in itself is racist and sexist to other minorities and the other gender, by implying that hate against african americans and woman are only what's considered racist or sexist.
HAJS5 11 months ago
what did the vegans say that was racist? or are you talking about the asians in the library girl?
Miikaika25 11 months ago
@Miikaika25
No, she is not talking about Alexandra. Haven't you heard in these past days some people expressing idea that since Japan kills whales they deserve what they got?
MaaraDeklaLaima 11 months ago
Excellent Pao :)
LiveVegan 11 months ago
I agree with you. Empaty and compassion are at the center of the vegan lifestyle, why should we forgo that when it comes to Japan? Are the children who were killed in this disaser deserving of their fate because some people of their ethnicity killed a dolphin or a whale? Nonsense.
Skepticktok 11 months ago
I COMPLETELY agree with you! The people who say that Japan kills dolphins need to realize that their country kills cows and pigs and other animals. A cow should have the same right to it's life that a dolphin or whale has. Life is life. You pretty much just said it all. Part of being vegan is not only for the animals but for equality for everyone. If we care so much about the rights and equality of animals, then we should care about the rights and equality of every species and race. Great video!
pinkskullsxxx1 11 months ago
I'm so glad that my news feed was absent hate-filled messages from my friends during this rough time for Japan. I'm surprised though, sadly I still meet vegans here in the USA that wish all kinds of diseases and complications upon meat eating humans. Veganism is anti-violence, unfortunately people still think humans are deserving of their arrogance and hate.
fryzor 11 months ago
Well said. I was shocked at some of the opinions of my friends about the same thing. It just didn't occur to me that anyone could tar ALL the people from a country with the same brush and say they deserved the horrible situation Japan is going through. True compassion knows no bounds, be they race, gender, creed or species. :)
dismutased 11 months ago 11
@dismutased unconditional love is what we need to grow ... everything is ok under the sky actually, it is up to the individual to see it, whatever is happening now is the collective karma we have to endure, if we want a paradise on earth then grow your unconditional love now :d ...
earthsmate 11 months ago
@dismutased well said :)
porolita22 11 months ago
@dismutased Not sure about the "creed" thing. I'm nice to people of faith, but I challenging them over it is perfectly justified. Race, gender and species are things that are beyond one's control. Individual cases of being incorrect or even unfair are worthy of challenging
tommyk77 2 months ago
I have a honest question here. When your speaking of specism and rights for animals. Well with Rights come responsiblities...so if we were to give animals rights in the same way we give to humans (and yes humans are animals I know) what kind of responsiblities would they be expected to have?
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 Rights protect interests, the basic right we ought to give to nonhumans is the right not to be used as objects, the right to live. The same responsibilities that humans have cannot be applied in all respects to nonhumans because of obvious reasons. Would animals be given ALL the rights humans have? (right to education, to vote, etc) No. But in the respects that we are the same, that we are sentient beings with an interest in life, those rights needs to be respected.
porolita22 11 months ago 37
@porolita22 good answer and missed it earlier. I was not asking to be confrontational but merly to define the term used. While I don't agree in all regards I like the video as a whole.
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@porolita22 People are hypocrites. Full of contradictions and inconsistencies. Welcome to the REAL world :)
superiorcanaduh 10 months ago
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@porolita22 Only humans are sentient.
p0rcelaing0d 4 months ago
@porolita22 Damn, well said. Now, about the above video. I kinda agree, I'm vegan(well to be honest except for yogurt) and yes it is for totally ethical reasons, but humans will always hate humans and I don't see that ever changing.
I've left commets re: the very recent incident of the chinese being run over and ignored by passerbys and in other vids where asians never helped(but filmed)hurt animals. to be cont.
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@Shirotora1979 What sort of responsibilities are small children expected to have in exchange for their basic rights?
VeganMudblood 11 months ago
@VeganMudblood Not to steal and behave as well obeying their parents. Also as the child grows so does his/her responsiblties within society. They are taught many as they grow in age and experince and they are still expected to obey the laws set by the society. So my question still stands.
Shirotora1979 11 months ago
@Shirotora1979 With rights come rights. What do responsabilities have to do with any of this? Can we murder irresponsible people?
seymourLlama 11 months ago 4