engineering an empire -carthage pt 1

[Albacorewing]

@gamerdude1246 You might want to read about The War of The Mercenaries, which gravely weakened Carthage. Polybius called it "the most impious war in history."

[gamerdude1246]

Best Lebanese empire ever :)!!

[gotdamnmiracle]

@CancerExl

Greece painted itself black, too. I guess everybody was black.

[Albacorewing]

I sped read a book called CATHAGE MUST BE DESTROYED by Richard Miles. It is a fine history of Carthage, and sympathetic to their plight in their struggle against Rome. It also explains why Rome, which had fewer resources, triumphed. One reason was that Rome made citizens of conquered Italian peoples, but Carthage relied on mercenaries, who finally revolted in a disastrous pay dispute.

[gamerdude1246]

@Albacorewing When Carthage came to Italy with over 250 Elephants in which they used as an weapon of War, they completely destroyed the Roman empire, they could have destroyed Rome, but it was spared, years later the Roman empire got back on track and drove off Carthage, destroyed their empire,

doesn't the title " CARTHAGE MUST BE DESTROYED " of the book not shows you that there will be hate for Carthage?

[Albacorewing]

@gamerdude1246 Rome in the days of Hannibal was a republic. It would not be an Empire for over a century. Also, Rome was never destroyed by Hannibal; the Romans had much manpower which made up for what they lacked in other areas. Italy appears to have had a much bigger population than Carthage. The tactics of Fabius confounded Carthage as well. Hannibal did not attack Rome as he wisely realized the resistance would be very strong.

[Albacorewing]

@gamerdude1246 Read also about the Mercenary War that almost destroyed Carthage.

[EMIR72CC]

We tunisians are proud that we were carthagians once , :)

[HoundofOdin]

No, just because someone lives in Africa doesn't make them Black. There have been White people living in South Africa for quite a while now. Why? Not because they're native, but because they migrated there. Same thing with the Carthaginians. They came to Africa from Phoenicia.

[theend1245]

@xenotypos they were punic a mixture of Phoenician and Berber

[Albacorewing]

@theend1245 The Punic language seems to have lasted to the time of the Muslim conquest of North Africa. Being Semitic, it would have not been all that hard for Punic speakers to learn Arabic.

[JEREX101]

OHHHHHHH SHIIIT MANNN STOP DEBATING AND WATCH THE DAMM DOCUMENTARY AND PERHAPS LEARN SOMETHING.....THEY PUT THESE UP TO TEACH U....COME ONNN STOP ARGUING AND WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY...SHITT MAN

[JEREX101]

@HoundofOdin SAME FRIKING THING AM SAYING

[issareign]

hanibal was born in modern day syria, you morons.

[issareign]

oh man you people are fucking stupid, especially the negroids and white people. the carthagenians race isnt even something worth discussing. its basic knowledge that they were the descendants of the Phoenicians. niggers, and whites savages of europe had NOTHING to do with ANY of the ancient semitic civilization of the mediteranean.

[capenati]

@issareign Well said.

[thehurricanedj]

Erm couple of minutes in an already we have a mistake it was Elissa not Dido who was part of that legend

[MartianSanta]

@dgsierra10 the bible is a book of fiction, and can't be trusted when it come to historical research

but when reviewing the bible along side other sources from the time, it is most likely the Hebrews where Canaanite pagan tribes that may or may not originate out side of ancient Palestine .and the whole story of Abraham , mosses and the Hebrews are pure fiction, written hundreds year later during the Babylonian captivity. where they may have also adopted monotheism.

[rross27]

Hmmm... Interesting that while people are having a discussion on history, a moron who tells us how to think, and what to believe or not believe pops in and suddenly has 16 votes. And another below him cant even figure out why people care about history or what the subject is in the first place, and ends with a statement that is so obvious a 4th grade candidate for the special Olympics could understand it, and he gets 13 votes. I think there’s something fishy going on here...

[ulongkoror]

"and the outcomes,will change the course of western history"

FINALLY someone with enough intelligence to note that this is about EUROPE and north africa,NOT THE ENTIRE WORLD!!!most idiots would say rome and carthage just represents the entire planet,while huge,civilized empires were already flourishing in india and china

[Vainslain]

Anyway phonecia in earlier times refers to the area of lebanon(tyre) and Israel. Both nations has a joint maritime in the time of Solomon. The greeks refers to them as phoenicians not the phoenicians themselves. Almost at the same time when israel fell on 721Bc carthage population grew. Israel has the population base compare to tyre. This makes carthage at east a sattalite nation of the israelites

[JEREX101]

@Vainslain STOP DEBATING ABOUT SOLOMON AND ISRAEL.................THIS IS CARTHAGE

[Vainslain]

@JEREX101 No friend i'm not dabating with anyone here. I didn't know someone is already doing that with another one. I'm just stating what i believe based on historical accounts that Carthage was settled by Israelites as history mistaken them to be phoenicians from lebanon

[Vainslain]

LOL Peter weller! The robocop dude in the land of carthage. Only if he can get back on time he could assist hannibal in destroying Rome

[37Dionysos]

The "History" Channel makes all history answerable to Israelites, didn't you know that? Absolutely unwatch-able, most of its shows---

[MartianSanta]

@HoundofOdin actually both the Israelites and the Carthaginians where Canaanite polytheistic

Carthaginians worshiping Ba'al as the major god and the Israelites divided to those who worship Ba'al and those who worship El.

the Carthaginians are Phoenicians originating in today's Lebanon, and their ancestors married with the people of northern Israel, who also worshiped Ba'al like them. so culturally they have common origins. 

[rross27]

@MartianSanta ISIS-RA(Sun God)-EL The name El first appears in fragmented records from around 2300 BCE. These ancient texts are from the city of Ebla in southern Syria and were written in a difficult to translate Semitic language. El was viewed as supreme amongst the gods. After the Ebla period clear evidence of El vanishes from the historical record for over five hundred years. When El emerges again it is to the west of Ebla in the region that had connected Ebla with Egyptian trade, Canaan.

[MartianSanta]

@rross27 thank you, didn't knew the dates, our historical records of the time are so few we could never have a real accurate view of that time in early history.

[rross27]

@MartianSanta YW 8) Peace to you and your family.

[MartianSanta]

why is it all these educational documentaries sound and look like they where made for idiots

narrator you don't have to shout at my ear, if i wanted to watch wrestling i won't be watching a documentary! so why dose it sound like you are narrating for a wrestling mach and not a history documentary.

Americans are so dumb!

[SpanishHunkyGuy]

"Punici" in Latin is pronounced /puniki/ not "punichi". Modern Italian sounds aren't those of Latin.

[SoussI26TunI]

@COMMANDOBLACK dude they werent black! all of north africa isnt black as a matter of fact

[1994StudMuffin]

imagine if carthage would've neutralized rome and prospered instead of rome....

[HistoryLover1550]

Someday a series should be done on the Punic Wars the way 300 and Spartacus were done. Im sure it would be EPIC!!!

[HistoryLover1550]

Carthage had one hell of a navy + harbor!

[HistoryLover1550]

A movie should be made on Aeneas and Dido, that would be cool!

[HistoryLover1550]

It's said that Vin Diesel's suppose to be in a future hollywood epic as Hannibal, I would rather have peter Mensah in the role!

[Sugbaable]

Punic was a Roman term for Phoenician, because Carthage was formerly a Phoenician colony. That's why they worshipped Ba'al, that's why Persia couldn't conquer Carthage - because they were related people. Carthage maintained Phoenicia's seafaring skills, and used them to become a superpower.

[Sugbaable]

Punic was a Roman term for Phoenician, because Carthage was formerly a Phoenician colony. That's why they worshipped Ba'al, that's why Persia couldn't conquer Carthage - because they were related people. Carthage maintained Phoenicia's seafaring skills, and used them to become a superpower.

[lovellespice]

are they related to the romans? are they ethnically europeans?

[COMMANDOBLACK]

I LIKE TO BE LIED TO

[TheAlexagius]

if only carthage had beaten rome, what a different(better?) world we'd live in

[HistoryLover1550]

@TheAlexagius Ikr! Rome was a selfish lustfull Empire and decadent. Carthage would've probably been a far grander and richer Empire had she defeated Rome all together.

[cjleeways]

badass cartaginians. how could they have ever lost to rome is beyond me

[HistoryLover1550]

@cjleeways Hannibal didn't exploit his victories over Rome, which is said to have been responsible for Rome's victory. Hannibal should've either came to italy and besieged Rome till she surrendered or used better tactics at Zama.

[cjleeways]

@HistoryLover1550 I see....you are very intuitive

[HistoryLover1550]

@cjleeways Thank you.

[srry4beatinu]

good god, i love history. imagine if humans never had the ability to record history? what if you woke up one day and didnt know anything about how the world got the way it is?

[Nefus1988]

I have this whole series!

[kakuloukia]

even though i'm Amazigh north african , i look at carthage as a mighty Empire of our region but ..

honestly Roman soldiers wear really fancy clothes each time i see them i really wish i could wear something like them :D

[rifo96]

this a pure North African AMAZIGh civilization, build by the North African Imazighen. There is no genetic evidence of middle easterners who settled in Carthage. The Carthaginians spoke also a PUNIC language which was different from the Phoenicians language in levant (Middle east)

[HoundofOdin]

Punic and Phoenician were related, Phoenician being the parent language of Punic. There is quite a lot of evidence of Phoenician settlement, religion being a prime example. Ba'al, Astarte, Melqart, and Eshmun being major deities of both the Phoenicians and Punics.

[TheAlexagius]

@HoundofOdin exactly most north africans (eg tunisa) are like darker italians(and can drive better, lolz)

[HoundofOdin]

I can't speak for the driving bit, but being dark Italian in appearance, you are correct.

[algerien945]

ils sont où les arabes ? hiiiiiiiii ! ils sont cachés

[MrHadiba]

@algerien945 la tunisie est Carthage ou sont les amazigh est les algerien

[GeeCulverin]

Wow dude, thanks for the upload! Food for the mind and all that.

[123bonitas]

dgrfd

[MsEmmazing]

oh my god, you have no idea how much this helped me with my carthage project.

[1989dman]

@dgsierra10 They were known as the Hebrews, during that time. Not saying Ethiopians didn't live with the Israelites but they were definitely not God's Chosen People according to the bible. Throughout the bible, the hebrews are clearly seen as a people of their own distinct from other cultures. Ethopians do not have Hebrew customs that can be traced back to ancient times nor did they rule Israel when Israel was a Kingdom.

[1989dman]

@dgsierra10 His twelve sons were: Reuben (Genesis 29:32), Simeon (Genesis 29:33), Levi (Genesis 29:34), Judah (Genesis 29:35), Dan (Genesis 30:5), Naphtali (Genesis 30:7), Gad (Genesis 30:10), Asher (Genesis 30:12), Issachar (Genesis 30:17), Zebulun (Genesis 30:19), Joseph (Genesis 30:23), and Benjamin (Genesis 35:18).

[1989dman]

Actually according to the bible. Israel are of the Hebrew people not the Ethopian. The Hebrew Bible traces the historic and spiritual progress of this family. The family's forefather was Israel, whose name originally was Jacob. Jacob had twelve sons and an unknown number of daughters.

[Flextones]

I like History. It is a fine dicipline but written History gets lost and distroyed. I prefer numbers. Numbers don't lie, even though liers can figure. So the winners of the battles and wars gets to write a hard copy of how they want History to go. I took History classes in college and I passed them, but give me a math, music or econ class please. I need irrefutable evidence. I have to question authority. I am sorry but I just have to.

[diedahero]

I'm like Peter, I had no idea about Carthage, other then it was anicent. It's cool to see what made this wondrous place and it's people who they were.

[osallent]

Reading a few comments down, I see the Afrocentrists are out in full force....

First they claim the Egyptians were black (when they were a multi-racial society)....then they claimed the Greeks were black (wonder what Greeks today think about that one)...then they claimed the Arabs are black...next they'll be claiming the Romans were black, and so were the Celts and the Angle Saxons.

Get your own history and stop trying to steal others' history.

[OrientOranges]

The afrocentrists may be right. The Ptolemaic Empire, which occupied Egypt, incorporated Ethiopian auxilaries into their armies, as well as slaves. But that's as Greek as they'd ever get, lmao. Carthaginians were mostly Punic colonists with natives mixed in, all of whom were not black. The only thing blacks have to look at in that time are the fact that their minor Ethiopian chiefdoms got raped repeatedly by Arabian expansionists and got used as meat shields by the Ptolemaic Empire.

[HoundofOdin]

They're nol claiming the Roman people yet, but the Afrocentrics are trying to claim Romulus and Remus.

[MithraisAugustus]

Everybody need see Buckaroo!

[1MartinD28]

is that a city?

[MithraisAugustus]

It's the name of Peter's character in Buckaroo Banzai.

[mongoose100989]

i won.

[mongoose100989]

yah but did the carthage know how to do chemistry?

[mongoose100989]

wut.

[mongoose100989]

Just say I built carthage. instead.

[kontekoekerd]

They of course mixed,with the Imazighen.

[Meknesville]

Blackpower718 Sadly you do have a point when you say that Semites are weak - physically at-least. The fact of the matter is Carthage was principally populated by native North Africans (known today as Berbers) who were and are not black.

[poussecafe3]

It is all stupid about the water. How to make water rise six floors from a cistern which is lower that the property. How do that then.

[kojakojaO]

rubbish

[kojakojaO]

Hello ???? Carthaginians are not black people, we are neither Arabs (I am Carthaginian) , we are Berber and we share the same origins with Arabs

[MrsHEALTH]

THE BASTARD ALWAYS ASSOCIATE with the richer side, hence arabs and not POOR AFRICANS..Yep, Where do Arabs come from, discards of history, where

[Aslaug75]

Correct. Carthaginians were Phoenician. A semitic people from the Levant.

[dwolfe71]

bullshit!!!

[HoundofOdin]

You're Carthaginian? That is seriously cool. I didn't even know you guys still existed. I admire the accomplishments of the ancient Carthaginians, so it's good to know you guys are still around.

[kontekoekerd]

He's no Carthagian,just another Amazigh.(Imazighen =the original inhabitants of North Afrika. That is like saying an Italian,is an ancient Roman.

[yordi193]

shouldn't he be a Tunesian today?

[MandaloreV]

Carthaginians were descended from Phoenicians who were (i think) from the Eastern Mediterranean.

[kamugisha77]

Hanibal was the last African Ancient Warrior. he kept the Invaders away from Africa for 20 years.

[hmorganman]

The modern populations of North Africa have no connection to the history of that region. The north African Arab is descended from ruthless invaders who swarmed into that region in the 7th centure of the modern era.

[kojakojaO]

this is all wrong, what are you saying?? read history before posting rubbish. That's true we were invaded by tributes from Egypt( banou hilal) in the 7th centure but the have not exterminates all tunisians for god sake.

[Voltairean]

You moron, go hang yourself. Stupid dumbass bitch.

[nickpafras]

black kings??? are you serious?? Hannibal was from NORTH Africa. Carthage is in NORTH africa. not sub-saharan africa.......go to north africa today, morroco, libya, tunisia......tell me if you see any black people there. .....stop trying to rewrite historyy with your nigger power bullshit.

[Puck2442]

Don't be upset. They know the only way they can ever possess anything worth having, including a history, is to steal it from white folks. This man claims so much for his black ancestors yet ignores the fact that in the south where there were no whites to steal their glory from they never managed even a road let alone great cities. No books, no written language, hell they didn't even have the wheel. Yet now they claim these folks to have been the genius' of the ancient world. Get real.

[yordi193]

one thing he can clame is that his ancesters where running naked trough the savannas with sticks and chasing other animals and building houses of real shit

and then they where probably enslaved how sad

DEAL WITH IT

i'm a flemmish belgain do you hear me complain to the french spanish austrains? for exploiting our land by claiming it as their born right?

do you hear us complain to the germans for fucking up our country 2 times in less then 30 years?

[TOWNSHITBITCH18dummy]

why are you all arguing over things you weren't even alive for..let alone even THOUGHT ABOUT for?!?! DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU LEARN..a lot of people thrive on corrupting history!

[msullivan85]

Hannibal is the most bad ass general in history. Undefeated unti Zama. The battles of Trebia, Lake Trasimene, and Cannae were feats of military genius and still taught at west point. He lost an eye in northern Italy after losing all but one elephant and nearly half his force crossing the alps, and still delievered Rome some of its worst defeats through its entire history.. Aside from Alexander, nobody in Western history comes close to Hannibal.

[HistoryLover1550]

@msullivan85 He even had a wife, a spanish princess named Imilche. There's no record of children though or what happened to Imilche. Imagine what would happen if Hannibal's son(s) and or daughter(s) had tried to continue his fight against Rome.

[plasticnapoleon22]

also, this documentary didnt get the legend of dido right. the moorish king didnt propose 2 her. it was anieus, the ancestor of the romans, and they were married. but the aneius left her, and she killed herself. and upon her death, she cursed aneius and all his descendants

[Indigos8rboi]

yeah that is true there are some things that happen when im watching tv that id like 2 comment on and say how they're wrong

[plasticnapoleon22]

they were from tyre, in present day lebanon, and therefore would look like the lebanese, ever seen 1? they arent black, also, carthaginians drew people from everywhere, and there army was mostly mercenaries. and btw, nigeria is a long way away from carthage

[sguardian870]

U dense bag of cheese, who said nigeria had anything to do with carthage. Secondly as most part of north africa majority started of as blacks and gradually got killed off or mixed into the invading groups who were of other races, e.g big example EYGPT.

Just because the people there are not black now does not mean they werent in the past. And there are many times in history where groups knocked out other groups completely. Wait we have a mordern day example that happened in the last 500 years.

[plasticnapoleon22]

silly, what i said was that queen dido came from tyre, and all the people from the very beginning were mixed, but mostly lebanese-esque, and sorry about the nigeria comment, i i misunderstood what u said

[sguardian870]

and why do u think the natives dont own america they were there first. American pushed them to the curve. My point was the fact that whole races can be over come by another. All u need are the americans. or people who think like them.

[yordi193]

you're right look at the ancient iberians and the spanish and portugueesse

i think there's a huge difference

or people from the germanic tribes and germany today

[sguardian870]

Its called mother fucking america, there were natives there 1st and now there are little or no natives, if anything happens to the planet based on what is left america would be classified as white civilization completely with nothing on the natives. U HAVE DUMB RACES WHO CLAIM AMERICA AS THEIR OWN. so please dont chat crap.

[plasticnapoleon22]

and yes, i think the indians dont own america, that is stupid

[sguardian870]

actually u said they are the same as the current people in lebabnon.

[plasticnapoleon22]

yes, i errored there, but what u origionally said was that they were origionally black, and u were complaining that they portrayed dido as a "white" woman, and i said that she and many of her followers from tyre looked lebanese

[slickshoesken]

if carthaginians came from tyre then they would have looked like present day lebanese

[marv2200]

why do american historical documentaries always need a narrator and a presenter? the presenter is rendered utterly redundant - an unnecessary addition.

[slickshoesken]

dont flame robocop

[1989dman]

Actually Jews are from the middle east not somewhere in Africa. You know I haven't seen a color thing in any history text except when it came to the slavery of black people after that everything was turned into a race thing... don't you get tired of it? Carthaginians are descendents of phoenicians who were semtic people like the jews meaning they are not white or black, they most likely looked like them. Just because its in Africa don't mean they were all black people.

[issareign]

@1989dman "the jews" you mean the lebanese? who the FUCK are "the jews" huh? no such unilateral identity existed prior to 1897. the phoenicians are lebanese, not "israeli"

[1989dman]

stop trying to put a color on everything, its a skin color nothing more than that. a black person is no different than a white, asian, jew, etc. Btw Jews are not black people. Jews have their own culture and stuff don't try and steal a culture away from a group of people... I hate it when ppl do crap like this.

[1989dman]

jews and arabs are neither black or white... simply jews and arabs lol Not everyone is that ignorant :p Back then it was more about nationality and culture like Roman culture, Punic, Egyptian, etc. It wasn't about being black or white in those days. As humans became increasingly ignorant it became about color.

[clipmaster2000]

Carthage was a colony, of the Phoenicians when the Phoenician where destoryed modern day lebenan charthage became its own country

[rb7magnetico]

Just because Carthage and Hannibal are associated with Africa it does not mean it is of negro origin. People please do research on Phoenician history and you will see true history or if you have the chance visit North Africa and you will respect it more.

[1989dman]

negro?

[rb7magnetico]

yes

[Shaer01]

I came from Tunis, 20 minutes from Ruins of Carthage & 10 minutes from Bardo Museum which host the complete story with Physical proofs:really lacking in this Documentary. One more point: I am tired of the "race " arguments used in some of the comments. These people - Whoever they were- achieved a lot that made you study their civilization. What did you do ???

Hollywood should make a movie about Hamilkar & Hannibal & the war agianst the Romans. It's a great story.

[shiningIvory]

It definately is a great story, full of all kinds of drama, irony, and betrayal and whatnot. But Hollywood, unfortunately, caters to the increasingly idiotic masses, over 75% of whom have never heard of Carthage. Besides, their film would probably be a bastardization of a great real-life event, like "Alexander".

[Ken1567]

They are already doing a film about hannibal starring Vin Diesel! Another point, is that the Carthaginian are not tunisians they are Phoenicians which are ancient lebanese. Tunisians are Iberian african desendants.

[PhoenicianGoddess]

I WANT TO INVITE EVERYONE... to my (youtube channel) to learn more about the Phoenician ancestors of the Carthaginians as well as:

1. the genetic marker of the Phoenicians

2. their culture and folk-dance still practiced in Lebanon to this very day

3. the famous singers of Lebanon and Carthage

4. food, politics and ancient ruins of the Phoenicians in Lebanon, Carthage and N. Africa and much, much more!

How to get to my channel, just click on my YOUTUBE SCREEN-NAME and you'll be there.

_

[romanlegion55]

First let me say i think Carthage was strong but it was no match for the supreme power of the Roman army and navy no empire could that is why they all fell to Rome legions

[PhoenicianGoddess]

CARTHAGE WAS BUILT BY CAUCASOID "PHOENICIANS" FROM LEBANON

I have more information about the Phoenicians' genetic marker on my profile as well as videos of their descendants still living in Lebanon to this very day as well as some videos of their descendants in Carthage (Tunisia).

The history of the Phoenicians is very important to their descendants in Lebanon, Carthage (Tunisia), Malta and diasporas throughout the world who carry their genetic marker "Haplogroup J2 Y-DNA."

_

[harlembrown3]

LOL. That's hilarious.

[emperorIng360]

I think the argument going on in these comments is hilarious, personally.

People get riled up about the silliest of things.

[AHistoryMajor]

Doing a paper on Carthage and was wondering if anyone knew the name of the city that is mentioned near the end. (9:46 or so) "but it is Carthage by 600 BC or there abouts, that certainly the Carthaginian town of ____ by 450 BC...

Thanks

[TonyLoco23]

Kerkouane

[PhoenicianGoddess]

ANCIENT PHOENICIANS' (CANAANITES) Y-DNA IS:

Haplogroup J2 (M172)

HAPLOGROUP J2 ARE COMMONLY FOUND IN:

Lebanese (Phoenicians), Maltese (Phoenicians), Syrian (Phoenicians), Anatolian-Turks, Ukranians, Armenians, Georgians, Croatians, Kurds, Italians, Iranians, Romanians, Hungarians, Ashkenazi/Shephardi Jews, Iberian Spaniards, Greeks, Albanians, Pashtuns, Cretans, Macedonians, and Indian uppercastes.

Haplogroup J2 -- is the genetic marker of the "ANATOLIAN NEOLITHIC AGRICULTURALISTS."

[Parisbomec]

interesting! but how does that not make you ARAB? you are what historians call the Arabised Arabs, ie the semetic people? which seriously does not give u anything in common with Ukranians or croatians irrespect of your DNA ... which is a weak argument to base identity on... with the contributions that people from your part of the world have made to humanity ... shame that you arent proud to be ARAB ;-)

[PhoenicianGoddess]

CARTHAGE was founded by Phoenician aristocrats from (TYRE, LEBANON) led by Phoenician-Trojan "Queen Dido" also known as "Princess Elissa."

The Lebanese (Phoenician-Trojan) founders of Carthage in 814 B.C. were a CAUCASIAN PEOPLE, -- they were never related to the black people of Africa.

LEBANESE = PHOENICIANS, CANAANITES, HITTITES

[Blackpower718]

Slavus why did the Semitic Hebrews label the Canaanites Hamites?

THeir langauge was never Semitic before the Semitic invaders moved in. Its unfair because Europeans are emotionally biased to the lighter skinned other whoever it is aslong as its not Black!

[Salvus967]

the introduction to his episode is annoying cus it makes it out like the show is on the punic wars, more than it is about the history of carthage. you could fill a whole text book w/ the history of carthage without getting to the part about the romans.

[epaminondas111]

Thats the same shit like the "statement" Cleopatra was a "black african queen". Ignoring that some egyptians were black (nubians) but the ruling house of egypt were the ptolemeans, which were greeks.

[Blackpower718]

Son you didn't read history at all the Phoenicians never called themselves Phoenician they called themselves Canaanites, even as far as Carthage. Phoenician is just teh Greek name for Canaanites.

Typical Eurocentrist

[epaminondas111]

Argh. Nonsense again.

Phoenician is a greek name. The Phoenicians never called themselves Phoenician.

Thats wright. But they never called themselves Canaanites. They called themselves according to the cities they lived. Like "Chartagenian". Herodot described them as semites from the persian gulf. The greeks and romans never described them as black people.

If you have problems with your identity go to politics and let your hands from history.

[Blackpower718]

They called themselves Cananai in the Amarana letters they send to Black Egypt! Study history before you make such bold claims!

[Salvus967]

where are you getting this from???????????? the Phoenicians were a Semetic group, they were now black. You are buying into bullshit fed to you by zenphobic black people that are making up history. the black people have thier own proud history and need not steal the history of others. by doing this you are clouding the truths. ur out of your mind and totally wrong.

[Salvus967]

and just because the canaanites were trading and communicating with the egyptians (which i guess could be described as being black) that in no way shape or form means that the canaanites were black. do you think that black kingdoms only traded and communicated w/ other blacks in those times? does that mean all of egypt's trading partners were black??? of course not!!! if china were to send diplomatic correspondance to zimbabwe does that make chinese people black?

[whowantsabighug]

egypts main populace wasnt black! they got invaded but the nubians fand ruled by them for a very short time but that was about 900 so bc

[Blackpower718]

The real Phoenicians are Black Christian Phoenicians like Briggite Gabriel, the rest are Lebanese Arab terrorist invaders mixed with some Barbarian Crusaders.

The original Phoenicians Were BLACK CANAANITES, Lebanese Arabs are not Phoenicians they are cultural goons who came raped our beautiful Black nation and forced them to become Semites

Hannibal was a Black Phoenician Hamite not a Semite

[epaminondas111]

Go and read some history.

The only known important Blacks were the Nubians who lived in what is today Sudan in Africa and the Ethiopians. The Phoenicians were not Black. The Chartagenians mixed up with some Libyan and Numidian people and ruled over lands with some black people. No one reported that Hannibal was "Black". He was an elite Charthagenian and therefore a white semitic/arabian man.

[russianrang]

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[shiningIvory]

Carthage didn't develop half the stuff they say they did, they simply imported it from Tyre...

[TaffyAlpha]

as does every other civilization. We merely improve upon the basic technologies available...

[ardicat]

i wish carthage owned rome =\

[YungTriff]

I know these fools not trying say Carthaginians created the Khemetic periods.

[kolat00]

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