I made this 2007 and he did/does support Ron Paul. I just saw him in December in Tucson FFS. In 2008 Doug dropped out of the race (lol) to support Ron Paul, and changed his campaign page to say he was supporting Ron Paul. You did zero research on the subject and you're flat out wrong at every level.
watch?v=LH8RgHb6DyI
Now go read something on the topic faggot. Don't comeback without a direct quote.
I believe Doug supports Anarchy. "ANY government just fucks you out of that freedom." "Can I vote for no leader,wheres my fuckin' vote."I'm no Stanhope expert but that's what I get from him.I also believe that whom ever it may be Ron Paul,Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders, they cannot change the system,they will soon realize when in power that they have their own bosses.People change the world not leaders.
@bozolazic This has been thoroughly debated already, but when I made this video he was supporting Ron Paul for president in 2008, and the video was made in 2007. Altho he has already come out in support of Ron Paul in 2012 if you search for it.
P.S. Anarchy would never keep. The pursuit and acquisition of power is not limited to governments...
@dingusmungus That may be true of Anarchy to which we have very little evidence.In a few places that we do have some evidence it seems that it might have worked out if they were not attacked by all sides.But we have thousands of years of evidence concerning leaders and the world seems to be stagnant and devolving.Here's whom I'd vote for--Dennis Kucinich(D),Bernie Sanders(I) and Ron Paul(R).The problem is that the president is not the leader.He takes orders from more powerful people.No room left
I was only pointing out that anarchy while practical in the syndicate or commune level, given enough time would be over powered by an organized system of men in pursuit of power. Countries with central governments didn't just happen all at once. It was a process.
Doug's an odd libertarian. He has a fundamental lack of faith in humanity on par with Carlin and Hicks. I think his comment about our "inbred corporate landscape" shows Doug to be more of a left-libertarian. Actually, I hate to get into political labels, but shit, there I go. Stanhope said he digs libertarians because they're the closest you can get to anarchism while still having paves roads. Ugh, I'm drinking. Anyway, I'd be an anarchist if I had faith in humans. Which I don't.
Stanhope is awesome but Ron Paul is a pro-life retard who thinks we should do away with the income tax. Yeah, great idea, let's let those rich cocksuckers who own the country keep their entire paycheck which would in turn murder the poor. Fuck Ron Paul
@TheWarriorRonPaul hahaha I was just trolling. I'm actually a huge supporter of Ron Paul, I voted for him in 08. I was being sarcastic when I said doing away with the income tax was a bad idea, because I think it's a brilliant idea. I'd really like to see either Ron Paul or Gary Johnson win in 2012 because they're both libertarians running as republicans. One of them needs to knock Obama's punk-ass back to Hawaii.
@TurquoiseCowboy I don't care if rich people keep their money as long as I can keep my money. I know how to spend my money better than the government does. I personally would not continue spending money on useless things if I was trillions of dollars in debt.
Ummm no. Hes a Libertarian... There is a difference. Also no one said he was promoting the republican party he supported Ron Paul in 2008 over the Libertarian nominee Bob Barr.
Yeah a liberal is the same as libertarian you dumb fuck. Ron Paul is a republican do you see? He ended up supporting Obama in the end. Do your research; in your description bar you say 'register for the republican party' on most of Doug Stanhope's CD'S he criticizes the republican party, in this clip.
Wow... Please google "liberal vs conservative vs libertarian", before you call anyone else names. Then wiki "Doug Stanhope", click "2008 Presidential Campaign". It clearly says "Doug then endorsed libertarian-leaning Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul".
Also if you read the whole video description, you would understand that my goal was to help Ron Paul win the republican nomination in the primaries so that both parties would be anti war in the election.
Ok Aug of 08... This was published in Sep of 07 when he supported Ron Paul. Doug Stanhope serves as a Libertarian not a Democrat. You didn't even know what the words meant an hour ago. Libertarians are not liberals.
Unless you wanted McCain to get the 08 republican nomination, I can't understand what your problem is. Everything I wrote was accurate at the time of publishing, and my goal was to promote a bipartisan antiwar platform while unseating neoconservative leadership.
Well I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not changing it just to spite you at this point. lulz.
Stanhope said he wanted to see a "young black man in office", but he probably supported Obama because the primaries were over and Ron Paul dropped out of the race. He couldn't support Ron Paul anymore. Get it?
I'm really enjoying this and all, but maybe you could read something about this historic topic online that I won't have to hand type for you.
Because neither of us actually support republicans, but we both supported Ron Paul. Also we love fucking with idiots. BTW Thanks again for the quote of the week.
"a liberal is the same as libertarian you dumb fuck." ~purplenurps
You're my new internet toy. Spouting out words you don't understand, arguing on the internet, and repeatedly making yourself look stupid.
Please tell me how did i make myself look stupid? Your not even answering my question properly, Doug Stanhope is a liberal, he's said it numerous times in his concerts.
Answer me properly this time, How would it spite me?
When Ron Paul dropped out why didn't he carry on supporting the republican party?
And again stop leaving messages on my profile it makes you seem obsessed.
This time answer my questions instead of starting a new topic.
Your first question: "Please tell me how did i make myself look stupid?" "a liberal is the same as libertarian you dumb fuck" (don't know what basic terms mean) "I don't fail at life" (you do) "tell me why he changed his vote from him to Obama" (like i know for sure) "MY problem is on YOUR description bar" (yeah my description, not yours) "Stop leaving messages on my profile" "stop sending me PM's" (I replied to one PM from you with "no?")
"If you do something cruel out of spite, you do it because you want to hurt or upset someone." ~any english dictionary
Your third question: "When Ron Paul dropped out why didn't he carry on supporting the republican party?"
I already answered this... Neither myself or Stanhope support republicans, but we both supported Ron Paul. No one else in the party is appealing in the least.
I got 1 email and replied once with the exact text "no?"
You are some sad desperate fuck who likes to argue issues that you know dick about. If you read over the conversation you can clearly see I destroy every point you try to make and repeatedly point out your lack of knowledge and overall stupidity.
Any idiot can click on your name and check your videos to see I'm not leaving you 100 comments in a single weekend.
"Libals are the same thing as libertarians" ~purplenurps
alot of you seem to be a little misinformed about stanhope's politics.
stanhope does not agree with paul on religion and called him a dimwit for it, true, BUT politically they are very much alike. stanhope proudly endorsed badnarik in 2004, and badnarik is politically just like paul. stanhope did in fact endorse paul as it was principle or over personality.
watch this, it's proof that paul isn't some crazy theocrat:
watch?v=LbVwN3dEdU4
...and that is why stanhope did in fact support paul.
it was rather lame because he didn't mention ron paul once! still, i like both stanhope and ron paul....but even paul pisses me off from time to time.
i didn't say that man...im just saying i've heard Stanhope talk shit about Ron Paul too...it was over him believing and pushing the whole "god" thing.
In some standup video where he was talking about Obama and Sarah Palin.. He said that he would vote for the libertarian party if it wasnt hijacked by somebody. He dismissed ron paul for not being an atheist and being pro life.
it's all good man, i think the only reason Stanhope talked any shit about Paul was because Paul believes in God and talks about it from time to time...probably would still support him though in a race! :)
About as well as "Change we can believe in", "an immediate withdrawal of our troops in Iraq", "the removal of lobbyists from Washington", and "a bailout program that benefits main street as much as wall street". Basically we got robbed...
ask as many voters as you can, at random, if they'd even heard of Ron Paul when they voted. you'll be shocked. most of the problem is the people, they vote like they were voting for their favorite celebrity tv star. rational free thinkers will always be the minority, we're being led by the flock
im sick of the elections being like american idol.. whos your favorite?! the majority of the voters dont think, look into it, understand it, or even realise what is going on.. people are too distracted with jobs, religion, tv, computer games.. etc etc.. and its the perfect distraction.. if we didnt have so much mass media.. we would no what REALLY is going on and things would be much different.. "go back to sleep america, your government has figured it out, here watch american gladiators"- hicks
If you like Doug Stanhope's ideas, please sign the petition urging him to run for president! petitionspotDOTcom/petitions/stanhope2012/
By the way, seeing Doug live is well worth it. I went to his show in San Jose last month and he was in fine form! His upcoming shows are listed at dougstanhopeDOTcom .
For those who "get it" on a deeper level and want to know more about the libertarian philosophy, this video gives a good intro - isilDOTorg/resources/introductionDOTswf
These are libertarian ideals. NOT republican, nor democratic. Libertarians want absolute freedom, my freedom ends where yours begins! Republicans are not Libertarians.
Good luck getting even 10% of the vote on a non repug-lican or demon-crat ticket. Unfortunately you're while you are right that we are libertarians in disguise, you are wrong about republicans not being libertarians. Ron Paul is a glaring example. So bottom line is we need to stage a coupe, take over a party, and use it's corrupt access to infiltrate the legislative, judicial and the executive offices. Then we'll just need to find a way to prevent over legislation/taxation in the future.
You're right, and it's sad that so many people ignore the smaller political parties. I hate the two-party system that America has developed, that's why I'm a Centrum kind-o-guy here in Norway. Most republicans are against gay-marriage; this is a conservative stand, not a libertarian one. The religions right has mostly taken over the Republican Party, sadly. A religions libertarian would be both pro-choice and pro-equal rights. I'll support your coupe though! Huzzah
Bob Barr is hardly a real libertarian. And CountFruFru, they wouldn't be Pro-Choice in the sense that the Democrats put forth. I've found that Walter Block's idea of "eviction" is more properly in line with libertarian ideals than the standard "pro-choice" platform.
@wincashfast You should listen to Joe Rogan's "Shiny Happy Jihaad"....not quite the same level of pessimism...but still could be considered prophetic I think. (not saying he is better, just that he is great too)
The question remains, how do you shake up a generationally-entrenched power structure that clearly states its goal to reduce the population of earth by over 90%? That has no moral conscience or empathy, allowing them to enslave entire nations with drugs, debt, & ultimately famine & disease? That sees war as an opportunity to control populations & implement bankruptcies?
We do not have enough money to appeal to their insatiable greed--all the money in the world hasn't satisfied them yet...
Stop paying the mob for protection. Decentralize and become more independent from the system that exists around you. Start giving money to people who support your ideologies and beliefs. Start spending your money on educating others and spreading your beliefs. Look at how they gained control and emulate it , do it better than they ever could with facts and honesty. Inform people of how they are being taken advantage of. Resist vocally and publicly. You are one but together we are many.
Good advice! I have been self-employed since 2000, without TV since 2001, without credit cards since 2003, and carry only the mandated car insurance for protection. I'll be 50 years old this year and I have no health insurance--because I WANT IT THAT WAY! The leading cause of death in America is medical care, & frankly I think universal health care will be like universal education: compulsory. That scares me worse than old age & disease combined. Choice made America great, but now it divides us
Well, I eat well and live well, and I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. In the meantime, I don't see how that reflects on the fact that American health care is the leading cause of death in this country.
Wow, interesting and eclectic commentary here. Nihilists, libertarians, democrats, socialists, pro-life, pro-choice...wow. My 2 cents: since the Civil War, the main function of govt has been to siphon wealth & sovereignty from individuals to corporations. Divide & conquer the willfully ignorant via false right-left paradigms is their most powerful strategy, & all of us are prime evidence of their success. When the game is over, we will remain clueless.
Not if we tell everyone. It's time to challenge conventional political thinking at the federal level. Like you pointed out, shaking up political ideologies allows for all sides to participate as I am not left right or center by conventional political metrics. Everyone from left, right, anarchists, libertarians, and communists can agree with some of the points in this video, yet they all acknowledge that the laws fail to align with these beliefs.
I agree, but de-polarizing politics is a difficult thing, especially when all the traditional definitions are redefined, a la Newspeak. Ron Paul did a good job of mobilizing money and voters last year, yet most people (not on the 'net) had no idea who he was, and they banned him from the RNC. He challenged them but they made him meaningless. Obama's installment of Wall Streeters appears to make hope & change meaningless, too. Looks like we have a 2 party system, though...us and them.
True Ron was shut down. Hell he was even shut down by the right wing talk shows. Makes me wonder who they work for. Rusty Humphries, Mike Savage you name em. They would pull the plug on a caller if they even mentioned Ron's name. The whole thing around Ron's campain was strange. Hell his sign was stolen out of my front yard. What was the world afraid of???????????????????????????????????????????
I don't know what the world is afraid of, but I think that America is afraid of Truth, Justice, & the American Way of Life. I know that sounds flip, but we have been told subtly & openly that our way of life is selfish & ugly & bad for the world, that there is no justice as the poor get railroaded in the courts while the powerful break all the laws they want (esp. politicos), but even though we know these things, we're programmed to disavow that knowledge. We're now schizoid due to propaganda!
Well, propaganda & mind control. We know what is right and what is wrong, yet we deny the truth and pick what will be the worst choice for us--because we are programmed with anxiety and guilt in response to gaining something for ourselves. "You can't fight city hall!" "There are just too many people in the world." "They hate our freedoms." "My job is to protect the American people." "Indict Bush--that will never happen." "Impeachment is off the table." "We have to do what the doctor says."
You are not free because you entered into an implied contract with the government pledging all your future labor to underwrite the monetary system in exchange for 'security', social security. It is an open ended contract where they may modify it to any degree they wish. Any and all things they determine may interfere with your performance of that contract they have the legal right to intercede via law.
Solution: You cannot be contracted to participate and fund criminal activity.
Thats exactly how I feel about old people, ......Whats he happy about, why is he smiling, hes doing something wrong.... FUCK YOU OLD FAGGOTS AND YOUR FUCKIN JOHN DEERE HATS YOUR FUCKIN FAGGOT COUNTRY MUSIC AND YOUR WHORE DAUGHTERS AND GRANDDAUGHTERS, I HOPE ALL YOU FUCKS ROT AWAY AND DIE SOON
I think I'm gonna write in Doug Stanhope. I might do Ron Paul, but Stanhope is even more on my wavelength with regard to drugs, abortion, and immigration.
In any case, Bob Barr doesn't seem to be an option, which kinda makes me sad, cuz I voted for Browne and Badnarik. Maybe the Libertarian Party can get its shit back together by 2012...
No he wouldn't you dip shit... He endorsed Ron Paul when he dropped out of the election in 07. Check out his wiki page. He was an avid Ron Paul supporter. Now that Ron's out, he's backing the Libertarian candidate. You just like to open your big mouth without a single second of research and assume you're right. That dumb shit doesn't work on the internet. Smart people will look it up and prove you're full of shit.
Directly not much, but they do agree on a lot of stuff; drug laws, government's role in marriage etc. The only major issue I can think of where they disagree is abortion.
Doug Stanhope decided to back Ron Paul after deciding not to run for president himself. I don't really know what this video has to do with it but I imagine the person that posted this video is a proud libertarian.
No one is genuinely free, politicians spout bullshit rhetoric about freedom when it furthers political agenda. The simple truth is this the freedoms you are deluded into thinking you have are reffered to by governments as liberties and liberties are what governments allow you to have. A government can then change or remove those liberties as and when it desires. If it can be taken from you then it is not true freedom it is simply the illusion of freedom!.
Market standards are one thing regulation is quite different... Say I wanted to sell water from my well and power from my solar array to my neihbors so we could all be off the grid. The ammount of red tape and regulation would make it nearly imposible to do legaly. So frankly I would rather leave it up to the market not the government to decide how and what we can buy and sell. The end result of over regulation is high cost, refusal to move to new alternatives, and limmited competition.
What a fucking crock of shit, that's why US food is garbage and packed with growth hormones, pesticides and preservatives and people die from eating tomatoes.
Don't we have a FDA and EPA you dumb shit? Food markets are so regulated its not even funny! All those things you mentioned happened with regulations in place!!! Do you really believe its Joe Shmoe who decided to put soy and high fructose corn syrup in EVERYTHING? Fuck no its some cheap skate corporation. Was it ma and pa farmer who contaminated the tomatoes, no its some multi national corporation. Regulation makes it so only corporations (who don't care about you) can compete in the market.
You poor brainwashed shit. Your joke regulations are written by the corporations because the US system is corrupt and rotten to the core. You seem to think corrupt government is the only form because it's the only one you see. You put up with criminals stealing your money and poisoning you because you're thick and uneducated. If you imagine Ma and Pa farmer give a flying fuck about you then you're a mark, wanna buy some prime real estate on the moon?
Do you know what non-sequitur and ad-hominem mean? Basically what you said is our version of capitalism is corrupt and can't self regulate. So until you tell me what will work, calling me names is silly.
"Your solution is dumb, the current solution doesn't work, we need something with more government control but a less corrupt government."
Once you begin to understand that having the control enables the corruption, you'll realize that the solution lies with the individual and community.
One more thing... I bought all my tomatoes at the farmers market in Mesa Az. Not so much as a bad taste. Guess why!
I bought from a local organic farmer! Who grows food by himself and then sells it by himself. No subsidies. No regulations. No tax. No negatives with the exception of a 30 min drive to the farmers market. Nothing but whole fresh foods from someone I trust. I also buy my meat from a local butcher. Works out great for me. I hate all the nasty shit in our foods. You should try it.
If the FDA fucks up they get more funding. If a private entity similar to the FDA were to fuck up or engage in shenanigans, which the FDA does on a regular basis, they'd lose all credibility and go out of business. And dirty water can be covered by actually enforcing property rights
values dont exist outside peoples imaginations. there is no such thing as an actual physical tangible value. there make believe. without government and of course religion i think that illusion along with many like it would go away and peoples actions would be based on logic rather than common sense and yes i think theres a difference.
If you noticed he's against the notion that marriage ought to be a government institution. So advocating a federally uniform set of guidelines would be tyranny as well.
Marriage is not mandatory. And Stanhope hints at the real reason people get married: women. He has a really great bit about it on a vid here on YouTube.
Saying marriage is tyrannical is a bit much. Its an illogical institution, but it doesnt force anybody to do anything.
under the same logic any government period on the planet is totalitarian as long as it has laws that it enforces. of course on a personal note regarding freedom i think everybody is free. no matter who you are or where your from. if there is something you want to do/say/think then your free to do so. whether your successful or not i think comes down to three things: the laws of physics, human or other intervention, and your own personal ability and/or preference.
well ron paul or not most of the shit i said was right even if it doesn't follow the same logic witch it does but i see what you mean. by the way from your point of view who are the bigots that should be stood up to.
Say that to the people of Tibet, or the people in Myanmar, etc etc.
There's a lot of people in this world who aren't free.
About the bigots. Using Ron Pauls logic, segregation, and things like abortion and gay marriage are only right if there happen to be people who vote that it is.
Its called states rights and its what Strom Thurmond used as his spearhead for segregation.
well lets put it this way either everyone is free or nobody is. your saying ask people in tibet but theres plenty of people in america who dont think there free as well and plenty who think they are. and that true all around the world and it varies depending on the conditions people are living in. but really freedom is just as meaningless an idea as any superstitious concept we cling to and whether or not someone thinks they have it really comes down to how optimistic they are.
the ron paul thing ties into what was saying before. as long as laws exist someones being segregated. your saying gays and pro choicers but what about murderers and rapists. theyve been looked down on in society for a long time now. and the reason is because people are scared might be one of victims. they dont have the freedom to kill or rape but do you see anyone sticking up for them. no because we're scared what they do. that make it ok to deny them the freedom to do it.
The idea behind freedom is that you're free so long as you do not infringe on the rights of others. Gay people and abortions are not infringing on the rights of anyone. However killing someone or raping someone does.
yes, the rights of others. you prove to me such things exist outside of the abstract and i'll agree. although, abortion, some would say, infringes on those very rights, but that depend on your view of life. of course, being a nihilist, killing and raping mean just as much to me as anything else. also, being an advocate of anarchism don't believe in law. i think if you don't want to be raped or killed, you should take the appropriate precautions not to be, and stop relying on government.
When does someone become a living being who possesses rights? Until someone gives a definite answer then abortion does indeed seem to be infringing upon the rights of another individual.
Not when its living in my body... You see the zygote depends on the host body for all of its needs. It doesn't have a right to my food or my water or my body for that matter. The choice to willingly give those things is up to me.
You do realize that scum in the pond is also life. The funny smell on your feet... Also life. My beliefs on what is and isn't life is scientific, but the fact remains it requires a host and if said host rejects the zygote it is none of my business. A zygote is not a person it has no rights, responsibility, or liability. Its much like how a caterpillar is not a butterfly.
in some ways everyone a bigot. go to some other country bitch to them that the age of consent isnt as old as you would want it to be. see how kindly they take to it.
Doug may say he supports Ron Paul, but I dont think Doug has done his research. Ron Paul has tried to repeal Roe v Wade, supported The Defense of Marriage Act. He thinks drug laws should be decided by local government, not legalized. There really is no true similarity between Stanhope and Ron Paul.
(Why won't it let me "reply" to comments...? I've repeatedly tried to and it doesn't seem to let me. Oh, well...)
johanwolfe: Notice the carefully choosen word "probably". This wasn't an accident. I chose this word because I don't care enough to do any amount of research on who he supports and/or is voting for.
Nowadays every comedian who isn't bitch whipped by what the media wants to hear is coupled with Ron Paul just because he says it like it is also (that's the only similarity between them)
clone0001, you're a fucking moron. ron paul says a law of that nature should be up to the STATE, so if you don't like it ron paul would make so you can VOTE on it in your own state. he says the federal government should have nothing to do with it. you're a coffee shop polititian, do some research.
States would "vote on it" accually... The point is to decentralize these kinds of laws so the jesus freaks can't ban it nation wide like so many other things. Democracy is at the heart of of our republic, and allowing states to vote makes more sense constitutionally. People will move to states that support their beliefs and reward those states with more income. Also it will create shortcuts to things like universal health care and fair drug laws. Federal law and regulation is bad historically.
traditional libertarians believe that the minority should have a voice often more than the majority. she does know better than any state population. her rights place her above a state, in a traditional libertarian view. laws can be wrong. also, stanhope is running for nominee of the libertarian party. just thought i'd throw my two cents in.
AWESOME! Tell your friends to do the same, and we'll totally pull the rug out from under the neocons. Ron Paul Republicans: Taking over the GOP from the inside since 2007!
He doesn't want to outlaw abortion Diana Prince... he wants to allow the states to decide. Just cause someone is pro-life doesn't mean they want a federal ban on abortion.
FYI. I'm pro-choice and made an x girl get an abortion cause I couldn't raise a kid with her crazy ass and I also agree with Ron Paul's stance on Rowe V. Wade so you might want to check out what it means to be a libertarian before you start spouting shit.
sweetie, if you think you "made" an ex get an abortion, you don't understand what pro choice means, let alone be able to call yourself pro choice. choice = woman choosing, not crazy exes feeling the need to dodge a bullet. props to your ex.
While Ron Paul is pro life, he is the only candidate that understands it shouldn't be up to the federal government. The others tell us how they want to regulate our lives using federal legislation, Dr Paul advocates "states rights" meaning he wants the people of each state to vote on and determine the laws related to things like abortion, prostitution, and drugs. He doesn't want to control our lives, and he knows one size fits all doesn't work.
states rights is code for take rights from women. the zealots have been using that euphamism for years. just as your response to johnclavis states, the federal gov exists to defend our rights. state laws that would limit access to abortion would be unconstitutional, as it descriminates against one GROUP: women. george carlin is right. pro life = anti woman.
abortion is a civil right. any limitations are unconstitutional.
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ilovebitchcakes 1 week ago
@ilovebitchcakes
I made this 2007 and he did/does support Ron Paul. I just saw him in December in Tucson FFS. In 2008 Doug dropped out of the race (lol) to support Ron Paul, and changed his campaign page to say he was supporting Ron Paul. You did zero research on the subject and you're flat out wrong at every level.
watch?v=LH8RgHb6DyI
Now go read something on the topic faggot. Don't comeback without a direct quote.
dingusmungus 1 week ago
I believe Doug supports Anarchy. "ANY government just fucks you out of that freedom." "Can I vote for no leader,wheres my fuckin' vote."I'm no Stanhope expert but that's what I get from him.I also believe that whom ever it may be Ron Paul,Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders, they cannot change the system,they will soon realize when in power that they have their own bosses.People change the world not leaders.
bozolazic 3 months ago
@bozolazic This has been thoroughly debated already, but when I made this video he was supporting Ron Paul for president in 2008, and the video was made in 2007. Altho he has already come out in support of Ron Paul in 2012 if you search for it.
P.S. Anarchy would never keep. The pursuit and acquisition of power is not limited to governments...
dingusmungus 3 months ago
@dingusmungus That may be true of Anarchy to which we have very little evidence.In a few places that we do have some evidence it seems that it might have worked out if they were not attacked by all sides.But we have thousands of years of evidence concerning leaders and the world seems to be stagnant and devolving.Here's whom I'd vote for--Dennis Kucinich(D),Bernie Sanders(I) and Ron Paul(R).The problem is that the president is not the leader.He takes orders from more powerful people.No room left
bozolazic 3 months ago
@bozolazic
I was only pointing out that anarchy while practical in the syndicate or commune level, given enough time would be over powered by an organized system of men in pursuit of power. Countries with central governments didn't just happen all at once. It was a process.
dingusmungus 3 months ago
@dingusmungus No problemo! We just hire Isreal to build us walls.=) Peace.
bozolazic 3 months ago
@bozolazic Libertarianism.
kinkykane0607 3 months ago
@kinkykane0607 Anarchism.:)
bozolazic 3 months ago
@bozolazic Stupid :)
kinkykane0607 3 months ago
@kinkykane0607 Thank you;)
bozolazic 3 months ago
@bozolazic Anytime, perhaps you'll leave this having learned something :)
kinkykane0607 3 months ago
@kinkykane0607 What am I suppose to learn from our comments: Libertarianism.Anarchism.Stupid.Thank you.?
bozolazic 3 months ago
@bozolazic Yes.
kinkykane0607 3 months ago
@kinkykane0607 I concur.
bozolazic 3 months ago
vote? fuck you.
NeverMind9132 4 months ago
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wiesonurcomix 5 months ago
Doug's an odd libertarian. He has a fundamental lack of faith in humanity on par with Carlin and Hicks. I think his comment about our "inbred corporate landscape" shows Doug to be more of a left-libertarian. Actually, I hate to get into political labels, but shit, there I go. Stanhope said he digs libertarians because they're the closest you can get to anarchism while still having paves roads. Ugh, I'm drinking. Anyway, I'd be an anarchist if I had faith in humans. Which I don't.
JQuig1984 5 months ago
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Ron Paul doesnt believe in evolution
94Cioppa 8 months ago
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Ron Paul doesnt in believe in evolution
94Cioppa 8 months ago
Stanhope is awesome but Ron Paul is a pro-life retard who thinks we should do away with the income tax. Yeah, great idea, let's let those rich cocksuckers who own the country keep their entire paycheck which would in turn murder the poor. Fuck Ron Paul
TurquoiseCowboy 9 months ago
@TurquoiseCowboy Fuck You too Cowboy, you obviously have no idea about Ron Paul and the income tax. TWAT!
TheWarriorRonPaul 8 months ago 3
@TheWarriorRonPaul hahaha I was just trolling. I'm actually a huge supporter of Ron Paul, I voted for him in 08. I was being sarcastic when I said doing away with the income tax was a bad idea, because I think it's a brilliant idea. I'd really like to see either Ron Paul or Gary Johnson win in 2012 because they're both libertarians running as republicans. One of them needs to knock Obama's punk-ass back to Hawaii.
TurquoiseCowboy 8 months ago
@TurquoiseCowboy I don't care if rich people keep their money as long as I can keep my money. I know how to spend my money better than the government does. I personally would not continue spending money on useless things if I was trillions of dollars in debt.
homemadepie91 4 months ago
@TurquoiseCowboyI nevermind I didn't realize you were being sarcastic
homemadepie91 4 months ago
and when did the ron paul part come in? great vid but the title is wayyy off the mark here.
ACudmore2 9 months ago
fuck ron paul..... DOUG STANHOPE FOR PREZ!!!!!!!! :DDD
arielrebelfan1 1 year ago
@arielrebelfan1
1) I like your user name...
2) Die in a fire!
3) Paul Stanhope in 2012.
dingusmungus 11 months ago 6
This is the shit!! This is your boy Michael...keep the faith.
Face2nutts 1 year ago
Doug stanhope is a liberal he isn't promoting the republican party
purplenurps 1 year ago
Ummm no. Hes a Libertarian... There is a difference. Also no one said he was promoting the republican party he supported Ron Paul in 2008 over the Libertarian nominee Bob Barr.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
Yeah a liberal is the same as libertarian you dumb fuck. Ron Paul is a republican do you see? He ended up supporting Obama in the end. Do your research; in your description bar you say 'register for the republican party' on most of Doug Stanhope's CD'S he criticizes the republican party, in this clip.
purplenurps 1 year ago
Wow... Please google "liberal vs conservative vs libertarian", before you call anyone else names. Then wiki "Doug Stanhope", click "2008 Presidential Campaign". It clearly says "Doug then endorsed libertarian-leaning Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul".
Also if you read the whole video description, you would understand that my goal was to help Ron Paul win the republican nomination in the primaries so that both parties would be anti war in the election.
YOU FAIL AT LIFE.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus
"In August 2008, Doug Stanhope endorsed Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama"
It is quite obvious he is a liberal. Do you listen to his CD'S?
I don't fail at life.
purplenurps 1 year ago
Ok Aug of 08... This was published in Sep of 07 when he supported Ron Paul. Doug Stanhope serves as a Libertarian not a Democrat. You didn't even know what the words meant an hour ago. Libertarians are not liberals.
Unless you wanted McCain to get the 08 republican nomination, I can't understand what your problem is. Everything I wrote was accurate at the time of publishing, and my goal was to promote a bipartisan antiwar platform while unseating neoconservative leadership.
Is that so wrong?
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus
My problem is on your description bar, you're calling people to register as a republican, you're implying that he supports them.
Plus he's has called ron paul a dim wit before; if he was should a big supporter of him tell me why he changed his vote from him to Obama?
purplenurps 1 year ago
Well I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not changing it just to spite you at this point. lulz.
Stanhope said he wanted to see a "young black man in office", but he probably supported Obama because the primaries were over and Ron Paul dropped out of the race. He couldn't support Ron Paul anymore. Get it?
I'm really enjoying this and all, but maybe you could read something about this historic topic online that I won't have to hand type for you.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus How would it spite me if you changed it?
Why didn't he carry on supporting the republican party then?
P.S
Stop leaving messages on my profile and stop sending me PM's, i know you're wrong but don't become obsesessed with me.
purplenurps 1 year ago
U MAD.
Because neither of us actually support republicans, but we both supported Ron Paul. Also we love fucking with idiots. BTW Thanks again for the quote of the week.
"a liberal is the same as libertarian you dumb fuck." ~purplenurps
You're my new internet toy. Spouting out words you don't understand, arguing on the internet, and repeatedly making yourself look stupid.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus
Please tell me how did i make myself look stupid? Your not even answering my question properly, Doug Stanhope is a liberal, he's said it numerous times in his concerts.
Answer me properly this time, How would it spite me?
When Ron Paul dropped out why didn't he carry on supporting the republican party?
And again stop leaving messages on my profile it makes you seem obsessed.
This time answer my questions instead of starting a new topic.
purplenurps 1 year ago
dingusmungus 1 year ago
Your second Question: "How would it spite me?"
"If you do something cruel out of spite, you do it because you want to hurt or upset someone." ~any english dictionary
Your third question: "When Ron Paul dropped out why didn't he carry on supporting the republican party?"
I already answered this... Neither myself or Stanhope support republicans, but we both supported Ron Paul. No one else in the party is appealing in the least.
Who is writing you? Not me fgt. You wrote me.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus
Well yes you are writing to me, you've left about six messages on my profile. I didn't 'wrote' to you.
purplenurps 1 year ago
I got 1 email and replied once with the exact text "no?"
You are some sad desperate fuck who likes to argue issues that you know dick about. If you read over the conversation you can clearly see I destroy every point you try to make and repeatedly point out your lack of knowledge and overall stupidity.
Any idiot can click on your name and check your videos to see I'm not leaving you 100 comments in a single weekend.
"Libals are the same thing as libertarians" ~purplenurps
Too funny...
dingusmungus 1 year ago
Another awesome quote...
"I didn't 'wrote' to you." ~purplenurps
I see wut u did thar...
You thought it was pretty funny when I used the past participle of 'write' in the sentence: "You wrote me."
I have bad news... Its a real word used in a grammatically correct manor. You look stupid yet again.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@purplenurps fool.
lifesblood 1 year ago
@lifesblood i was fooling around with your mothers clit
purplenurps 1 year ago
@purplenurps
>Implying you can find the clit...
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus what? no i was implying that i fooling around with that guys mothers clit...dick
purplenurps 1 year ago
@purplenurps
You sir, couldn't find the the clit with a map and compass.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus ask your mother she was squirting like a water pistol
purplenurps 1 year ago
@purplenurps
Did you give here dairy? Shes lactose intolerant....
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus her*
if she's lactose intolerant why would she squirting out of her vagina? Your mum needs to go to a doctor
purplenurps 1 year ago
@purplenurps
DERP DERP DERP
0/10 bud. Grow up and leave.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
@dingusmungus You started talking to me......
purplenurps 1 year ago
@purplenurps
I'm just fucking with you... Don't be so sensitive.
dingusmungus 1 year ago
alot of you seem to be a little misinformed about stanhope's politics.
stanhope does not agree with paul on religion and called him a dimwit for it, true, BUT politically they are very much alike. stanhope proudly endorsed badnarik in 2004, and badnarik is politically just like paul. stanhope did in fact endorse paul as it was principle or over personality.
watch this, it's proof that paul isn't some crazy theocrat:
watch?v=LbVwN3dEdU4
...and that is why stanhope did in fact support paul.
SushiHead20 2 years ago 4
lol using stanhope to push a political candidate. ridiculous
stefanpollitt 2 years ago
it was rather lame because he didn't mention ron paul once! still, i like both stanhope and ron paul....but even paul pisses me off from time to time.
Poonard 2 years ago
Its the points he is making. They agree on many of their ideologies. If you think Stanhope prefers Obama then you're misinformed.
dingusmungus 2 years ago
i didn't say that man...im just saying i've heard Stanhope talk shit about Ron Paul too...it was over him believing and pushing the whole "god" thing.
Poonard 2 years ago
Stanhope is not pro ron paul.. He commented that he wouldn't vote for him because he isn't a atheist. He is a libertarian though
pegelatrin 2 years ago 6
where'd you hear that?
carsonkent 2 years ago
In some standup video where he was talking about Obama and Sarah Palin.. He said that he would vote for the libertarian party if it wasnt hijacked by somebody. He dismissed ron paul for not being an atheist and being pro life.
pegelatrin 2 years ago
from stanhope lol
Poonard 2 years ago
That's odd his presidential run page said he supported Ron Paul as well as his Myspace page. That was YEARs ago, but it was accurate when I made it.
dingusmungus 2 years ago
it's all good man, i think the only reason Stanhope talked any shit about Paul was because Paul believes in God and talks about it from time to time...probably would still support him though in a race! :)
Poonard 2 years ago
@pegelatrin What?? He supported Ron Paul, he even wrote about it on his official website.
youvefoundit 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"ron puol for president 08"..... well..... how did it work out for him?.....
4R45H 2 years ago
About as well as "Change we can believe in", "an immediate withdrawal of our troops in Iraq", "the removal of lobbyists from Washington", and "a bailout program that benefits main street as much as wall street". Basically we got robbed...
dingusmungus 2 years ago
yeah he has the same views as ron well because.. he's smart
Zellps0 2 years ago 16
ask as many voters as you can, at random, if they'd even heard of Ron Paul when they voted. you'll be shocked. most of the problem is the people, they vote like they were voting for their favorite celebrity tv star. rational free thinkers will always be the minority, we're being led by the flock
clifftontattoo 2 years ago 8
im sick of the elections being like american idol.. whos your favorite?! the majority of the voters dont think, look into it, understand it, or even realise what is going on.. people are too distracted with jobs, religion, tv, computer games.. etc etc.. and its the perfect distraction.. if we didnt have so much mass media.. we would no what REALLY is going on and things would be much different.. "go back to sleep america, your government has figured it out, here watch american gladiators"- hicks
ROAHHHH 2 years ago 4
If you like Doug Stanhope's ideas, please sign the petition urging him to run for president! petitionspotDOTcom/petitions/stanhope2012/
By the way, seeing Doug live is well worth it. I went to his show in San Jose last month and he was in fine form! His upcoming shows are listed at dougstanhopeDOTcom .
For those who "get it" on a deeper level and want to know more about the libertarian philosophy, this video gives a good intro - isilDOTorg/resources/introductionDOTswf
StarchildSF 2 years ago 4
These are libertarian ideals. NOT republican, nor democratic. Libertarians want absolute freedom, my freedom ends where yours begins! Republicans are not Libertarians.
Bob Barr, FTW!!!
CountFruFru 2 years ago
Good luck getting even 10% of the vote on a non repug-lican or demon-crat ticket. Unfortunately you're while you are right that we are libertarians in disguise, you are wrong about republicans not being libertarians. Ron Paul is a glaring example. So bottom line is we need to stage a coupe, take over a party, and use it's corrupt access to infiltrate the legislative, judicial and the executive offices. Then we'll just need to find a way to prevent over legislation/taxation in the future.
dingusmungus 2 years ago
You're right, and it's sad that so many people ignore the smaller political parties. I hate the two-party system that America has developed, that's why I'm a Centrum kind-o-guy here in Norway. Most republicans are against gay-marriage; this is a conservative stand, not a libertarian one. The religions right has mostly taken over the Republican Party, sadly. A religions libertarian would be both pro-choice and pro-equal rights. I'll support your coupe though! Huzzah
CountFruFru 2 years ago 2
Bob Barr is hardly a real libertarian. And CountFruFru, they wouldn't be Pro-Choice in the sense that the Democrats put forth. I've found that Walter Block's idea of "eviction" is more properly in line with libertarian ideals than the standard "pro-choice" platform.
Blazhei 2 years ago 4
Man, this guy with Carlin and Hicks are like the only true prophets to me...
wincashfast 3 years ago 26
@wincashfast You should listen to Joe Rogan's "Shiny Happy Jihaad"....not quite the same level of pessimism...but still could be considered prophetic I think. (not saying he is better, just that he is great too)
jacobbrandon1984 1 year ago
@jacobbrandon1984 he's not a negative in his stand-up, but he make the same points. He's up there with Stanhope and Hick and Carlin
FoxandHart 11 months ago
@wincashfast Check out Joe Rogan too.... His Podcast is awwwwesome & FREE :)
SebCamTV 8 months ago 2
great video!!! hope the world wakes up soon, I'm getting tired of waiting....
johnyprestige 3 years ago 7
haha sounds a bit arrogant, but i feel the same sometimes...
wincashfast 3 years ago
The question remains, how do you shake up a generationally-entrenched power structure that clearly states its goal to reduce the population of earth by over 90%? That has no moral conscience or empathy, allowing them to enslave entire nations with drugs, debt, & ultimately famine & disease? That sees war as an opportunity to control populations & implement bankruptcies?
We do not have enough money to appeal to their insatiable greed--all the money in the world hasn't satisfied them yet...
MacManiac 3 years ago 2
Stop paying the mob for protection. Decentralize and become more independent from the system that exists around you. Start giving money to people who support your ideologies and beliefs. Start spending your money on educating others and spreading your beliefs. Look at how they gained control and emulate it , do it better than they ever could with facts and honesty. Inform people of how they are being taken advantage of. Resist vocally and publicly. You are one but together we are many.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
Good advice! I have been self-employed since 2000, without TV since 2001, without credit cards since 2003, and carry only the mandated car insurance for protection. I'll be 50 years old this year and I have no health insurance--because I WANT IT THAT WAY! The leading cause of death in America is medical care, & frankly I think universal health care will be like universal education: compulsory. That scares me worse than old age & disease combined. Choice made America great, but now it divides us
MacManiac 2 years ago
This is all well and good until you get an appendicitis. Then you'll want good ol' fashion western medicine muy pronto hombre.
gruelin1 2 years ago
Well, I eat well and live well, and I'll cross that bridge if I come to it. In the meantime, I don't see how that reflects on the fact that American health care is the leading cause of death in this country.
MacManiac 2 years ago
Wow, interesting and eclectic commentary here. Nihilists, libertarians, democrats, socialists, pro-life, pro-choice...wow. My 2 cents: since the Civil War, the main function of govt has been to siphon wealth & sovereignty from individuals to corporations. Divide & conquer the willfully ignorant via false right-left paradigms is their most powerful strategy, & all of us are prime evidence of their success. When the game is over, we will remain clueless.
MacManiac 3 years ago 3
"When the game is over, we will remain clueless"
Not if we tell everyone. It's time to challenge conventional political thinking at the federal level. Like you pointed out, shaking up political ideologies allows for all sides to participate as I am not left right or center by conventional political metrics. Everyone from left, right, anarchists, libertarians, and communists can agree with some of the points in this video, yet they all acknowledge that the laws fail to align with these beliefs.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
I agree, but de-polarizing politics is a difficult thing, especially when all the traditional definitions are redefined, a la Newspeak. Ron Paul did a good job of mobilizing money and voters last year, yet most people (not on the 'net) had no idea who he was, and they banned him from the RNC. He challenged them but they made him meaningless. Obama's installment of Wall Streeters appears to make hope & change meaningless, too. Looks like we have a 2 party system, though...us and them.
MacManiac 2 years ago 2
True Ron was shut down. Hell he was even shut down by the right wing talk shows. Makes me wonder who they work for. Rusty Humphries, Mike Savage you name em. They would pull the plug on a caller if they even mentioned Ron's name. The whole thing around Ron's campain was strange. Hell his sign was stolen out of my front yard. What was the world afraid of???????????????????????????????????????????
DobermansRock 2 years ago 3
I don't know what the world is afraid of, but I think that America is afraid of Truth, Justice, & the American Way of Life. I know that sounds flip, but we have been told subtly & openly that our way of life is selfish & ugly & bad for the world, that there is no justice as the poor get railroaded in the courts while the powerful break all the laws they want (esp. politicos), but even though we know these things, we're programmed to disavow that knowledge. We're now schizoid due to propaganda!
MacManiac 2 years ago 3
Well, propaganda & mind control. We know what is right and what is wrong, yet we deny the truth and pick what will be the worst choice for us--because we are programmed with anxiety and guilt in response to gaining something for ourselves. "You can't fight city hall!" "There are just too many people in the world." "They hate our freedoms." "My job is to protect the American people." "Indict Bush--that will never happen." "Impeachment is off the table." "We have to do what the doctor says."
MacManiac 2 years ago
Very true Sadly very true.
DobermansRock 2 years ago
right on macmaniac
mystikast 2 years ago 2
You are not free because you entered into an implied contract with the government pledging all your future labor to underwrite the monetary system in exchange for 'security', social security. It is an open ended contract where they may modify it to any degree they wish. Any and all things they determine may interfere with your performance of that contract they have the legal right to intercede via law.
Solution: You cannot be contracted to participate and fund criminal activity.
mindprism 3 years ago
Thats exactly how I feel about old people, ......Whats he happy about, why is he smiling, hes doing something wrong.... FUCK YOU OLD FAGGOTS AND YOUR FUCKIN JOHN DEERE HATS YOUR FUCKIN FAGGOT COUNTRY MUSIC AND YOUR WHORE DAUGHTERS AND GRANDDAUGHTERS, I HOPE ALL YOU FUCKS ROT AWAY AND DIE SOON
erb4353 3 years ago
That was great....what an awesome comedian (or truth teller).
UnderseaCaveman 3 years ago 4
I think I'm gonna write in Doug Stanhope. I might do Ron Paul, but Stanhope is even more on my wavelength with regard to drugs, abortion, and immigration.
In any case, Bob Barr doesn't seem to be an option, which kinda makes me sad, cuz I voted for Browne and Badnarik. Maybe the Libertarian Party can get its shit back together by 2012...
Eyedunno 3 years ago 6
Ron Paul is the tactful side of this kind of mentality. Ron Paul 08: It's my business, fuck off.
Hostile 3 years ago 6
WTF is up with all the haters??? I wish Stanhope himself would comment on the video so his pussy ass fans would STFU.
Look it up dummies he supported Ron Paul right up until he dropped out. Doug even met with the freestaters in New Hampshire.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
Oh man, he'd be pissed if he saw this.
optiuum67 3 years ago
No he wouldn't you dip shit... He endorsed Ron Paul when he dropped out of the election in 07. Check out his wiki page. He was an avid Ron Paul supporter. Now that Ron's out, he's backing the Libertarian candidate. You just like to open your big mouth without a single second of research and assume you're right. That dumb shit doesn't work on the internet. Smart people will look it up and prove you're full of shit.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
lol i have no idea what the fuck ron paul has to do with this shit..
afghooey 3 years ago
Then you don't understand what either of them stand for. While they are way different people they believe in the same rules for society.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Doug Stanhope rules !!
BUT... FUCK RON PAUL!
Obama 08 !
jessie74 3 years ago
Yeah, the premise of this video is lame...
ManuelHung 3 years ago
Directly not much, but they do agree on a lot of stuff; drug laws, government's role in marriage etc. The only major issue I can think of where they disagree is abortion.
murphycline 3 years ago
Doug Stanhope decided to back Ron Paul after deciding not to run for president himself. I don't really know what this video has to do with it but I imagine the person that posted this video is a proud libertarian.
kladivous 3 years ago
Damn skippy...
dingusmungus 3 years ago
No one is genuinely free, politicians spout bullshit rhetoric about freedom when it furthers political agenda. The simple truth is this the freedoms you are deluded into thinking you have are reffered to by governments as liberties and liberties are what governments allow you to have. A government can then change or remove those liberties as and when it desires. If it can be taken from you then it is not true freedom it is simply the illusion of freedom!.
Imatt33 3 years ago
I agree a lot with what he says but lead paint and dirty water are 2 things we can do without. We need to have some standards... right.
catbuffalo 3 years ago
Market standards are one thing regulation is quite different... Say I wanted to sell water from my well and power from my solar array to my neihbors so we could all be off the grid. The ammount of red tape and regulation would make it nearly imposible to do legaly. So frankly I would rather leave it up to the market not the government to decide how and what we can buy and sell. The end result of over regulation is high cost, refusal to move to new alternatives, and limmited competition.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
What a fucking crock of shit, that's why US food is garbage and packed with growth hormones, pesticides and preservatives and people die from eating tomatoes.
nilbud 3 years ago
Don't we have a FDA and EPA you dumb shit? Food markets are so regulated its not even funny! All those things you mentioned happened with regulations in place!!! Do you really believe its Joe Shmoe who decided to put soy and high fructose corn syrup in EVERYTHING? Fuck no its some cheap skate corporation. Was it ma and pa farmer who contaminated the tomatoes, no its some multi national corporation. Regulation makes it so only corporations (who don't care about you) can compete in the market.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
You poor brainwashed shit. Your joke regulations are written by the corporations because the US system is corrupt and rotten to the core. You seem to think corrupt government is the only form because it's the only one you see. You put up with criminals stealing your money and poisoning you because you're thick and uneducated. If you imagine Ma and Pa farmer give a flying fuck about you then you're a mark, wanna buy some prime real estate on the moon?
nilbud 3 years ago
Do you know what non-sequitur and ad-hominem mean? Basically what you said is our version of capitalism is corrupt and can't self regulate. So until you tell me what will work, calling me names is silly.
"Your solution is dumb, the current solution doesn't work, we need something with more government control but a less corrupt government."
Once you begin to understand that having the control enables the corruption, you'll realize that the solution lies with the individual and community.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
perfect
collegepolitixdotcom 3 years ago 2
Thanks for watching!
dingusmungus 3 years ago
One more thing... I bought all my tomatoes at the farmers market in Mesa Az. Not so much as a bad taste. Guess why!
I bought from a local organic farmer! Who grows food by himself and then sells it by himself. No subsidies. No regulations. No tax. No negatives with the exception of a 30 min drive to the farmers market. Nothing but whole fresh foods from someone I trust. I also buy my meat from a local butcher. Works out great for me. I hate all the nasty shit in our foods. You should try it.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
If the FDA fucks up they get more funding. If a private entity similar to the FDA were to fuck up or engage in shenanigans, which the FDA does on a regular basis, they'd lose all credibility and go out of business. And dirty water can be covered by actually enforcing property rights
murphycline 3 years ago
sorry about all the fucking errors in my last comments. i guess i suck at typing.
aeon82 3 years ago
Government shouldn't exist. It is a parasite on the aggregate actions of individuals.
flashpopphoto 3 years ago
government sucks but without nothing of value would get done.
rofflemonger 3 years ago
values dont exist outside peoples imaginations. there is no such thing as an actual physical tangible value. there make believe. without government and of course religion i think that illusion along with many like it would go away and peoples actions would be based on logic rather than common sense and yes i think theres a difference.
aeon82 3 years ago 2
Taken from Stanhopes blog on Myspace for his 2008 Presidential run.
"You are the leader of your own free world. Any government that doesn't respect that on every level is some form of tyranny."
-Who/what-ever denies people of their right to live as they want, is totalitarian.
-Ron Paul has voted on bills that would have mandated that states do not have to allow gay marriage.
-Therefore, Ron Paul is totalitarian.
All using Doug's own logic.
:)
F33bs 4 years ago
If you noticed he's against the notion that marriage ought to be a government institution. So advocating a federally uniform set of guidelines would be tyranny as well.
murphycline 3 years ago 2
Marriage is not mandatory. And Stanhope hints at the real reason people get married: women. He has a really great bit about it on a vid here on YouTube.
Saying marriage is tyrannical is a bit much. Its an illogical institution, but it doesnt force anybody to do anything.
F33bs 3 years ago
under the same logic any government period on the planet is totalitarian as long as it has laws that it enforces. of course on a personal note regarding freedom i think everybody is free. no matter who you are or where your from. if there is something you want to do/say/think then your free to do so. whether your successful or not i think comes down to three things: the laws of physics, human or other intervention, and your own personal ability and/or preference.
aeon82 3 years ago 2
No, that's not using the same logic at all. Doug Stanhope believes that governments who deny individuals rights, are tyrannical.
Ron Paul is for individual rights, on the basis that everyone has to agree on it. Which is completely illogical.
Freedom is a universal, it can't not apply just because some rednecks in the South don't want it to.
Thats why Ron Paul is a coward, he believes in something, he's just too much of a pussy to stand up to bigots.
F33bs 3 years ago
well ron paul or not most of the shit i said was right even if it doesn't follow the same logic witch it does but i see what you mean. by the way from your point of view who are the bigots that should be stood up to.
aeon82 3 years ago
No, the idea that everyone is free is wrong.
Say that to the people of Tibet, or the people in Myanmar, etc etc.
There's a lot of people in this world who aren't free.
About the bigots. Using Ron Pauls logic, segregation, and things like abortion and gay marriage are only right if there happen to be people who vote that it is.
Its called states rights and its what Strom Thurmond used as his spearhead for segregation.
F33bs 3 years ago
well lets put it this way either everyone is free or nobody is. your saying ask people in tibet but theres plenty of people in america who dont think there free as well and plenty who think they are. and that true all around the world and it varies depending on the conditions people are living in. but really freedom is just as meaningless an idea as any superstitious concept we cling to and whether or not someone thinks they have it really comes down to how optimistic they are.
aeon82 3 years ago 2
the ron paul thing ties into what was saying before. as long as laws exist someones being segregated. your saying gays and pro choicers but what about murderers and rapists. theyve been looked down on in society for a long time now. and the reason is because people are scared might be one of victims. they dont have the freedom to kill or rape but do you see anyone sticking up for them. no because we're scared what they do. that make it ok to deny them the freedom to do it.
aeon82 3 years ago
The idea behind freedom is that you're free so long as you do not infringe on the rights of others. Gay people and abortions are not infringing on the rights of anyone. However killing someone or raping someone does.
Ripthesys7em 3 years ago
yes, the rights of others. you prove to me such things exist outside of the abstract and i'll agree. although, abortion, some would say, infringes on those very rights, but that depend on your view of life. of course, being a nihilist, killing and raping mean just as much to me as anything else. also, being an advocate of anarchism don't believe in law. i think if you don't want to be raped or killed, you should take the appropriate precautions not to be, and stop relying on government.
aeon82 3 years ago 2
When does someone become a living being who possesses rights? Until someone gives a definite answer then abortion does indeed seem to be infringing upon the rights of another individual.
murphycline 3 years ago
Not when its living in my body... You see the zygote depends on the host body for all of its needs. It doesn't have a right to my food or my water or my body for that matter. The choice to willingly give those things is up to me.
I'm a man, but the point should stand.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
It magically becomes a baby when a woman gives birth? You admit it's a life, but you think it should be legal to kill?
day50912 3 years ago
You do realize that scum in the pond is also life. The funny smell on your feet... Also life. My beliefs on what is and isn't life is scientific, but the fact remains it requires a host and if said host rejects the zygote it is none of my business. A zygote is not a person it has no rights, responsibility, or liability. Its much like how a caterpillar is not a butterfly.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
You're making the same argument Ayn Rand made, but that only makes some sense with rape.
If a woman chooses to have sex, she also chooses the possible consequences of that sex.
day50912 3 years ago
shut the fuck up you fucking retard..boils down to:
ITS THEIR OWN CHOICE why do you care? you don't care, shut up its their life not yours shut up
Cartoonsaresuper 3 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Why don't you take some stem cells and grow yourself a brain. Abortion is either taking a human life or not.
day50912 3 years ago
in some ways everyone a bigot. go to some other country bitch to them that the age of consent isnt as old as you would want it to be. see how kindly they take to it.
aeon82 3 years ago
"either everyone is free or nobody is. "
Which goes against Ron Pauls political philosophy.
F33bs 3 years ago
yes along with everyone else.
aeon82 3 years ago
Doug may say he supports Ron Paul, but I dont think Doug has done his research. Ron Paul has tried to repeal Roe v Wade, supported The Defense of Marriage Act. He thinks drug laws should be decided by local government, not legalized. There really is no true similarity between Stanhope and Ron Paul.
F33bs 4 years ago
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Doug_Stanhope #2008_Presidential_campaign
dingusmungus 4 years ago
google: doug stanhope ron paul
His wiki says it...
His Myspace say it...
His blog argues the points...
Libertarian newspapers anounced it...
Yet everyone seems to be in disbelief...
LOOK IT UP!
dingusmungus 4 years ago
(Why won't it let me "reply" to comments...? I've repeatedly tried to and it doesn't seem to let me. Oh, well...)
johanwolfe: Notice the carefully choosen word "probably". This wasn't an accident. I chose this word because I don't care enough to do any amount of research on who he supports and/or is voting for.
clone0001 4 years ago
Nowadays every comedian who isn't bitch whipped by what the media wants to hear is coupled with Ron Paul just because he says it like it is also (that's the only similarity between them)
andrewh817 4 years ago
Honestly... What the fuck is with you people coupling Ron Paul with people that probably think he is an idiot?1 Seriously now...
clone0001 4 years ago
Dear Jackass,
Doug Stanhope spent over 10 minutes of a recent show promoting Ron Paul for President. Get your facts straight.
johanwolfe 4 years ago 2
And previously had an abortion... Something Ron Paul has repeatedly tried to ban on a national level.
clone0001 4 years ago
Ron Paul is trying to get rid of any abortion laws on the national level.
And regardless, Doug Stanhope supports Ron Paul's campaign 100%.
If you don't want to research what you're talking about - just don't talk.
johanwolfe 4 years ago 3
clone0001, you're a fucking moron. ron paul says a law of that nature should be up to the STATE, so if you don't like it ron paul would make so you can VOTE on it in your own state. he says the federal government should have nothing to do with it. you're a coffee shop polititian, do some research.
moocus 4 years ago
and yeah yeah, i know i misspelled spelled politician.
moocus 4 years ago
And what do you think that would accomplish? Most states would ban it all together. ;)
clone0001 3 years ago
States would "vote on it" accually... The point is to decentralize these kinds of laws so the jesus freaks can't ban it nation wide like so many other things. Democracy is at the heart of of our republic, and allowing states to vote makes more sense constitutionally. People will move to states that support their beliefs and reward those states with more income. Also it will create shortcuts to things like universal health care and fair drug laws. Federal law and regulation is bad historically.
dingusmungus 3 years ago
that was awesome.
jdawgwelling 4 years ago 2
traditional libertarians believe that the minority should have a voice often more than the majority. she does know better than any state population. her rights place her above a state, in a traditional libertarian view. laws can be wrong. also, stanhope is running for nominee of the libertarian party. just thought i'd throw my two cents in.
mrnachobar 4 years ago
The Sanctity of Life Act was introduced by Ron Paul. he also pushed a constitutional amenment.
DianaPrince403 4 years ago
Thank you for spreading this. I actually registered to vote just so I could vote for Paul.
Sicklesale 4 years ago 3
AWESOME! Tell your friends to do the same, and we'll totally pull the rug out from under the neocons. Ron Paul Republicans: Taking over the GOP from the inside since 2007!
dingusmungus 4 years ago
Oh no worries, I've been spreading the word for months now? Hey, you seen the debate polls? Ronnie is killin' them!
Sicklesale 4 years ago
i was hoping to see an explanation on how he would support a candidate that wants to outlaw all abortion. not very libertarian, methinks.
DianaPrince403 4 years ago
He doesn't want to outlaw abortion Diana Prince... he wants to allow the states to decide. Just cause someone is pro-life doesn't mean they want a federal ban on abortion.
FYI. I'm pro-choice and made an x girl get an abortion cause I couldn't raise a kid with her crazy ass and I also agree with Ron Paul's stance on Rowe V. Wade so you might want to check out what it means to be a libertarian before you start spouting shit.
escoeffects 4 years ago
sweetie, if you think you "made" an ex get an abortion, you don't understand what pro choice means, let alone be able to call yourself pro choice. choice = woman choosing, not crazy exes feeling the need to dodge a bullet. props to your ex.
DianaPrince403 4 years ago 2
While Ron Paul is pro life, he is the only candidate that understands it shouldn't be up to the federal government. The others tell us how they want to regulate our lives using federal legislation, Dr Paul advocates "states rights" meaning he wants the people of each state to vote on and determine the laws related to things like abortion, prostitution, and drugs. He doesn't want to control our lives, and he knows one size fits all doesn't work.
I'm pro choice and I support Dr Ron Paul!
dingusmungus 4 years ago
states rights is code for take rights from women. the zealots have been using that euphamism for years. just as your response to johnclavis states, the federal gov exists to defend our rights. state laws that would limit access to abortion would be unconstitutional, as it descriminates against one GROUP: women. george carlin is right. pro life = anti woman.
abortion is a civil right. any limitations are unconstitutional.
DianaPrince403 4 years ago