Some people actually goto work without being bothered... and do something to contribute to their society, unlike these children. And police assaulting your friend? Hes just been arrested. Police can do that. And secondly its not illegal to arrest someone either. Christ, these kids need to learn what a police person actually does. People inside dont want to feel intimidated by some little children with a megaphone at work. SOME PEOPLE are more sensitive than others...
@lightningpete Children? They're in their 20's.. well according to Alanbuttle and PariahSmith's profiles anyway.
People that work don't necessarily contribute to society anyway.. they pay taxes sure, but that doesn't necessarily benefit society as a whole and is compulsory. Someone who changes things for the better are the ones that truly contribute to society, like a scientist who finds out something new, etc.
@otterspocket84 This wasn't a factory. Some of us have things, other than shopping and mindlessly working for money, that we feel strongly about. The police had no reason to be there - if you could have seen how peaceful our protest was before this video was taken, you'd realise that. My life is rather full and I'm very happy with it, thankyou
The reason you 4 didn't get charged is because the CPS couldn't be arsed to do it, admit it. The police only arrested you's to get you the fuck out of the way. They don't have to charge you with every offence, because charging someone costs money and hassle, and it was probably not in anyone's interest.
Before you start, I've been arrested for similar reasons where I was having a laugh with 2 of my mates with a megaphone and drink.. the same happened us. They straightup said they CBA...
@Riotette We're animal rights activists - they try to get us for every little thing. Drinking offences are far too much hassle - they keep you in til you sober up and let you go. It's a preventative thing, to stop you causing trouble when you're pissed.
dude that is true hater right there according to the first amement a person has rights to free speech, grouping, belief, print and one more that I can't think of. This was not against the law once even if he had a megaphone if people didnt want to hear they didnt have to, it wasnt as if they were straping people to chairs and forceing them to listen. Also the cop did not set the reason for arrest which is against the rules, and he just grabbed him so he would have a case in my belief.
@chaos0691 We still (apparently) have a right to freedom of speech in the UK though. And we were on public property - it was only when we were arrested that we were taken on to private land. Well, actually, fair enough - when I was filming I walked on to private land myself, but trespass isn't an offence in the UK, so that's irrelevant.
BTW, can I just ask, not in a horrible way, but how come you animal protesters NEVER protest against halal meat? I am not anti-Muslim but that practice is incredibly cruel. The animal is consciously bladed at the throat so the blood can be drained, meaning it dies in a state of terror and in a lot of pain. I can't believe that never attracts attention from the animal rights lobby... just wondering.
@ThrexyX Hey. Thanks for your comment. I think some people do campaign against Halal meat, it just depends on the individual person or group and what they wish to spend their time doing. It is a difficult subject though, as you don't want people to get the wrong idea or to come and protest with you for the wrong reasons. It is a cruel practice, but then again, all meat is from an animal that has had its life brutally taken from it, regardless of whether it's stunned first or not.
You should never say you "understand" what an officer says to you. In law stating that you "understand" translates to STANDING UNDER their authority, thats why they always repeat and ensure that you UNDER STAND what they are saying.
@revolver3838 I have no idea what to say to this. I think it speaks for iself. Have you bby any chance commented on a video by a friend of mine where a cop says he is the law? That person also ended their comment with DIE. Very eloquent. Oh and I'm not a student and I do have a job and you can't go to prison for S5... you're unlikely to for Obstruct PC and who would I be bum f*cked (there are children about) by? Prisons aren't mixed sex. Thanks for your input.
@PariahSmith i assumed you was the bloke!!!??? well in that case i hope you get bum fucked by the top dog with a make shift dildo shes fashioned together using the plastic knives and forks shes managed to smuggle out of the canteen in her knickers!!! on a serious not though animal testing is necessary and should be allowed to happen unhindered by protesters or otherwise. i dont believe in animal cruelty though, just common sense.
The Police officer performed his duty more than lightly here. He had explained the complaint to one of the other 'protesters' and what actionhe would/could take. The guy with the microphone was just a cockyshit, and the girl holding the camera should get a life, along with the rest of the crowd who should learn very quickly thy are wasting their time. No Goverment and no Police will change their minds or change laws just because of a few social-skill-lacking teenagers.
Wow!! So he didn't know what law you were breaking (um, because you weren't breaking one, as far as I can tell), and rather than admit that he had no business asking you to stop using your megaphone, he just arrests you!?
As for the previous post, it's interesting how subjective it all is, isn't it? If you're having zero effect, you're using your right to free speech. If you're interfering with business in any way, you're creating a disturbance (or worse).
As you were asked to stop using the megaphone by a police officer and you clearly didn't you are breaking the law as you were creating a disturbance which is an offence (breach of the peace) the police officer doesn't need to explain this to you. When you are out in public, a police officer's word is law.
@caravanner333 Ah, yet another person who doesn't know the law. Thanks for your contribution - you can piece together a response to yourself from my responses to other people who (also wrongfully) said similar things to your comment.
@PariahSmith Animal rights? What an idiotic concept. With rights come responsibilities so the next time I see a dog shitting in a public place I intend to make a citizens arrest. I have probably less respect for the police than you do but answer me this: Would you or have you ever refused a life saving drug because you knew it had been tested on animals? And yes you are right, the use of a megaphone in a public place is neither illegal or unlawful.
@sail1948 The idea is that we stop believing we're superior to other animals & leave them to live without interference. There's a difference between killing for survival & what we do to them. I don't agree with pharmaceuticals regardless of whether they're animal tested or not. However, if I was to take them and there was one not tested on animals, I would choose that. Usually there's no choice. Your "public place" concreted over wild animals' homes. Humans domesticated dogs. Comes with a price.
So you are aware that the police have better things to do, seeing as there are people out there with guns/knives. Instead they have to deal with a call out for you as you are being a pain. I'm not saying you don't have a right to protest, however using a megaphone is no different to shouting in the street. You know someone is going to get fed up of you and want you removed. Instead of a peaceful protest you turn your campaigning for animal rights into annoying someone just doing their job.
@BIgbrotha87 I didn't ask them to come out and act unlawfully. They could have come, seen we weren't doing anything unlawful and left. It's up to them. And it's up to the people at the company not to waste police time. As there's no footage of the demo before the arrests, you can't really comment on our behaviour on the demo.
The day will come when you want to have a say about something that affects you and then see how easy it is to do a "lawful" protest - you think it's great that our human rights as animal rights activists are being taken away from us, it'll happen to the rest of society too - in fact, it already is!
No you are being arse holes to the police so they will be arse holes back to you works both ways. They have better things to be doing then dealing with a bunch of benefit scrounging cretins.
Animals will never get rights, NEVER so stop wasting your time and Police time.
The cops didn't have to be there - we were perfectly within our rights to be protesting so the police trying to stop us was them wasting time, not us.
Either way, being an arsehole isn't illegal and the cops have to deal with people with guns and knives, rapists, drunks... we had a megaphone and had actually been quite polite and not screaming on it. Compared to the rest, hardly arseholes.
"benefit scrounging cretins" - how did you decide from this video that I'm on benefits? Idiot
@PariahSmith Even tho I don't agree with allot of the animal rights folks I still believe they have the right to protest. Your right, when they take your rights away, they will start to take everyone's rights away to the point that if you protest the crooks in government they will have you jailed or shot.
@apple4000 They should have the right to free speech & protest. But I think protest have to be done on public property, like so many feet on the side of the road that's owned by the city, tax payers paid for. The cop said your on private property so they have no right to protest on private property. Another problem is the company is breaking no laws. That's another reason to remove them by force if necessary. And animals have rights. They have the right to be served with fry's & gravy.
@skjoyner We were actually on public property until the arrests took place - the cop was saying "you're on private property" to my friend. When the first arrests were made, the sergeant dragged my friends on to private land where they had parked the police car. I followed to film. Another friend (alanbuttle) walked on to the land to film our arrest (police have broken people's property... and arms... before, so it's always important to film what happens). Noone was on private property until then
what a bunch of nutters .pity he didnt hurt that fag of an anti stupid fuck has nothing better to do then pester hard working honest people who are just doing there job just like this police officer .
You read the law... then you'll find out that there are criteria that have to be met for a cop to arrest someone for breach of the peace and we weren't doing anything wrong. I have a job thanks and I'm now studying law. Maybe you should too before you start talking about something you know nothing about
your demonstration is abusive and potentially threatening to the people in the building and since it is in earshot of them you have commited an offence! so you can be lawfully arrested. you can also be arrested under breach of the peace.
Abusive? Potentially threatening? Since it is in earshot of them its an offence??
I really wish people would only comment on things that they know about. If you don't know the law, don't pretend you do. We've defended ourselves in several cases now so you've got no chance of fooling us. As I've said hundreds of times before THE CASE GOT DROPPED - the arrests were illegal.
We couldn't get arrested (legally) for breach of peace because that requires us to be using or threatening violence.
any animal rights protest i have encountered have been very threatening and i dont really have any time for the people doing them. shame really a it is a good cause tainted by the people who mess about like this
Mess about?? Our demo was perfectly peaceful when the cops came over and began breaking the law - they weren't there at the start of the demo and there was no trouble - we didn't go on to private land, we stayed away from the building and we were talking on the megaphone about what happens inside HLS. The video only shows what happens after the police show up and try to stop us from doing what we are lawfully allowed to do - we got a lot of support from public, so we can't be that threatening!
I can see the guy (presumably you) holding the megaphone, obviously protesting about something, I can also hear the verbal abuse being shouted in the background - ergo causing a disturbance.
Causing a disturbance IS illegal our country and adopting an arrogant approach is not going to help your argument.
Your replies to other peoples comments on this video seem to echo my above statement exactly.
I understand you feel passionate about a cause but your approach is maybe not the best way.
I'm the girl behind the camera - you can see me in the bideo by Alan Buttle - the sequel to this video.
We were conducting a perfectly peaceful and lawful demonstration before the officers came along. It was only because of their attitude towards us on a demo about 20mins earlier that my friend (the guy) seems arrogant. The officer had already proved he didn't know the law.
Again, causing a disturbance is not illegal. There is no abuse being shouted - shame on "arrowmight" is not abuse.
You cant argue about being arrested under those circumstances, your creating a disturbance and bloody arrogant with it to boot - "Under what law?"
The police officer requested you stop doing what you were doing and you reply by giving the answer you did I'm not supprised you got arrested.
You cant expect the officer to allow you to act the way you did because a technicality in the law doesnt specifically prohibit you from doing what you were doing - 30 years ago you'd have got trunchoned.
Under what circumstances? You've no idea what was going on before the arrest as the video starts at the point that the officer begins talking to us. You don't know what our conduct was like prior to this.
Causing a disturbance isn't illegal, neither is arrogance. And it's nothing compared to the suffering that thousands of animals go through every minute.
Police can request us to do anything they want, it doesn't mean they have a lawful power to force us to do so. And this officer didn't.
officers breaking the law make me sick, i proundly support the police but this guy is NOT an officer of the law. protesting is what made this country so when our rights trampled on by a big police boot we had better stand up for ourselfs and for the country and for the law that these good protesters respected while the office dicided to make up his own laws
Ah. Intelligent comments. On a serious note, would you like to add some constructive criticism to your comment?? Like explaining why we're pricks...??
Drone is a killer it does not distinguish enemy from women and children, Muslim countries r actually testing ground 4 USA live ammunition, live tested ammunition is worth 200% more then which is not tested? People r against chemical testing on animals, but they say nothing about arm industries testing live ammunition on women &children?
Actually, we're human rights and animal rights activists, we're not single issue activists. We do a lot for different organisations and when we hear about human/animal/environment abuses, etc. This protest was specifically against a company that was specifically involved in supplying lab equipment for animal tests...
Why is it that you devote your time to campaigning, presumably in an attempt to raise awareness/initiate change regarding ethical issues, and yet you're so content to sue people over the most trivial of issues?? Wasting peoples time, money and resources whilst making a nuisance of yourself fairly well undermines any cause you intended to support, no matter how noble it might be... All we see is a cunt on youtube. You're a prick.
You started with a good argument & question, so why end with lowerin yourself to a level where you use insults? Being arrested for exercising a human right, spendin 9 hours in a cell without food & then being released and made to return twice before they drop the case isn't trivial to me - it's a waste of my time, money & energy when I could be out there spending that time raising awareness. I'm not suing for the money, it's out of principle that the cops shouldn't get away with breakin the law.
I guarantee you that your lawsuit won't get anywhere - the arrest was entirely legal - the police officer has to tell you what you're doing wrong (using the megaphone), they do not have to justify it.... now quit bugging businesses and go and get some GCSEs
Well, it already is getting somewhere, thanks. The arrest wasn't legal - using the megaphone is entirely legal. The police officer has to have the law behind him when he tells you to do/stop doing something.
And the arrest wasn't legal, its perfectly legal to use a megaphone in that case, the building has no injunction and they are not on private property.
"I'm explaining to you that they've asked inside that building because they can hear..." well yeah that is kind of the point. If they really dont want you using megaphones then they'll have to pay a shit load for an injunction, and thats their loss 'cuz we'll still demonstrate there =] We had some coppers that were trying to lay down that section 5 stuff the other day but they didnt go as far as arresting us!
We weren't on private property. The guy who the cop is shouting at at the end walked on to private property after the rest of us were being arrested to film what was going on. The only reason we were on their property was because of being arrested.
That girl was clearly obstructing the officer she wasnt simply filming. Its pretty clear why your being arrested, police officers can arrest you for a number of general laws and pissin them off like you do will get you arrested! You deserve it and are not real protestors
Because I wasn't obstructing him and, even if I was, the arrest of my friend was unlawful in the first place. Therefore any arrest for obstructing is automatically unlawful. The officer has to be obstructed during "the execution of his duty" and his duty is not to unlawfully arrest people.
Also, just because a cop has told you why he's arresting you, it doesn't make the arrest legal.
What was that? British police need to be tazered? 50,000 volts would shut them up? That's a bit extreme.... I wouldn't wish that on anyone, cops included.
Haha... burning down houses? When have I ever done that? Are you a scientist? I doubt it - prove that animal research saves lives... You can't.
Anyway, this demo was a against a company that supplies HLS and Sequani - companies that have been exposed commiting horrific acts of animal cruelty, testing products already on the market and falsifying test data.
Contract testing labs test anything - Splenda, the artificial sweetener was tested on hundreds of animals, photocopier ink, bleaches...
this happens at demos here in chicago all the time. police think that they can make up laws on the spot, or that whatever they say goes. its heartening to see people im other countries not cowering in the face of bullies
Animals have no voices and it is good to see some young people speaking for them.Police show themselves here, picking easy targets. They want to get some real work done.
I am not surprised they stick up for cruelty and torture of defenceless animals. They use dogs and horses as weapons.
This is a disgraceful incident of police bullying the young people. We are becoming a police state.
@PariahSmith No need to Insult me. I think that you know what I meant when I said that "animals are beneath humans" I don't like to refer to humans as animals even though i know that we technically are. no other animal comes close to being nearly as intelligent as we are.
@spellcandles If people like this weren't causing a scene then police could get on with some 'real work'. The police are not sticking up for, nor are they opposing any opinion. They are upholding the law. This person breached section 5 of the public order act, which incidentally is incredibly easy to justify an arrest for.
@007RoyalFlush Or the police could just not turn up when we are peacefully protesting - before the cops showed, we were handing out leaflets and hardly using the megaphone, they had no reason to come and cause a scene. And if s5 POA is so easy to justify an arrest for, why did the case get dropped?
@PariahSmith You're missing the bigger picture. Cops don't care if people get charged for minor things like S5. The point of that sort of arrest is to get you out of the way and off the street.
@007RoyalFlush No, you're right. Cops don't care if people get charged, they do just want you off the street. That's why so many arrests of political activists are unlawful.
@PariahSmith It has nothing to do with whether the arrest is lawful or not. Just because someone isn't found guilty or charged with the offence they are arrested, does not mean it is a wrongful arrest, it just means there is insufficient evidence, which in this circumstance doesn't really matter, as the objective was to defuse the situation, not to get someone a criminal record.
@007RoyalFlush Look, I was there, the video footage shows what happened after the cops arrived, so you have no idea what "the situation" was like before they arrived. If everything was on camera, you'd have thought there'd be sufficient evidence. But, as the arrest was unlawful BECAUSE WE WERE NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS the evidence all went in our favour. Anyway, they've admitted it was unlawful, so that kind of settles it.
@PariahSmith I have watched the video, and the officer was 100% right. He asked the little twat politely to stop using the megaphone. Then the little twat decided to get gobby. The officer explained why he was asking him to stop. The officer explained that his actions were disturbing others in the workplace, and quite rightly arrested ihm for section 5. The arrest was simple and lawful. You saying the police have admitted it was unlawful is a lie.
@007RoyalFlush Section 5 POA86 doesn't cover disturbing people in the workplace. It covers harassment, alarm or distress using threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour or words or disorderly behaviour. Our behaviour up until the police started abusing their powers was completely lawful and peaceful and should not have been covered by s5 or any other law. Hence the dropped charges.
no, this is just a cop following orders. If you want police state, live in China or North Korea. Where just voicing this would have you dissapear tomorrow or sent to a "Re-education Camp" (aka a Prison Labor Camp)
Pariah Smith, the videos show the arrogasnce and bullying attitude of our police quite wonderfully. I wouldn't piss on a copper if s/he were on fire - more likely to chuck a bit of coal on him / her. Incompetent, thuggish, lying swines.
Ok so you're the girl with the camera.. I see. I'm sorry your grilfriend is a bit bored, maybe you should cheer her up. I didn't kick the dog of course so I didn't get bit. I'm from Waterford. Have you ever heard of it? where are you from? I say you're really proper English. Do you like tea and cucumber sandwiches?
Ah, so you've started lying too. You said in your last comment that you did kick a dog. I did cheer her up... we had a little giggle at you, then went and did something useful, unlike people who spend most of their time on youtube. I like rooibos tea, yeah, but not cucumber. Do you like stereotyping people?
Oh dear I've upset a middle class activist! Can't take it can you. It's alright for you to be going around verbally and physically abusing people. When the shoe is on the other foot though.... I hope your girlfriend is not like you. Here's hoping she's living in the real world. Give her my regards.
No, you haven't upset me, don't worry. It takes a lot to. When did I verbally or physically abuse someone? You really need to start backing up your claims with some evidence mate. My girlfriend isn't like me, we're very different, but she's compassionate and stands up for what she believes in so she's similar in that respect. She says hi and hopes you're having fun spending your days obsessively commenting on youtube videos. Not got a job?
Well I'm glad to know I haven't upset you. Your girlfriend seems very nice. Tell her I hope she has a nice day too. Screaming and shouting at people is what 'activists' do. Youtube videos are there to be commented on. Just because you don't agree with the comments doesn't mean we have to stop the show. Have a real nice afternoon. Ha ha ha.
Having a wonderful day thanks, doing internet research, chilling in the garden with cider, it's a beautiful day. Maybe you should get out and do something too.
A very stereotypical idea of activists - there are lots of different types of activism - letter-writing, doing stalls, demonstrations (not all involving shouting!) ALF activities.
It's not that I don't agree with your comments, it's that you post a lot of them, none with any actual real argument in them and most of them the same.
Well I hope you enjoy your scrumpy jack. It's raining in Ireland so I can't go outside. Gosh, all the different types of activism .. must keep you very busy. Why don't you knit some pullovers with amimal 'rights' logos on them. By the way which one were you in the video.
In this (my) video, I'm the one behind the camera...my girlfriend is the one with the pink hair.
I don't do all the different types of activism myself - there are other activists in the World.
I don't fancy making any pullovers right now and I'm quite warm so I don't think I have the need for any, but thankyou for the suggestion though, I'll keep it in mind.
Raining outside. Oh gosh, no, you had better not go outside, like there's weather(!) out there! :O
Well I think your girlfriend's hair is so cooooooool and 'original'. The weather outside now is fine so I'll go for a nice walk today. Why don't you knit those pullovers for Christmas presents with the animal 'rights' logo on them? I thought you were actually the girl! Ah well. What do you mean by: ' What do you mean by 'right''?
I di thank you. Kicked a dog on the way. We're you the bent over the car by the cop.. I say you enjoyed that.... I use the '' to take the pee. I thought that was obvious. Say hello to you girlfriend again. I rather like her. Is she reading my postings too?
Grow up please. Ask you're parents; sorry the baysitterr to explain manners to you. You'll have to ask the other fools to help you retaliate. Poor you. Left-wing looney toon.
Oh I put in that mistake to detemine HOW much of a middle class snob that you are. You fell for it..LOL. Why you are nothing but an elist snob. Why the you's.. that is a grammatatical ( deliberate spelling error!) mistake. You're not as elite as you like to think you are. I'm delighted the police harassed you. Snob.
So now you're the one saying the cops harassed me. And you've decided I go to uni, so therefore doing something "meaningful". And you're using the word LOL. You and Alan have more in common than you think hahaha.
An official job isn't necessary - being able to survive is. Whether that's through growing your own food, getting it out of bins, building your own house, paying for things, however you decide to live... and I get by fine without state handouts thankyou.
The same cowardly animal 'activist' protesting again. They have problems with their parents and need to deal with those issues. Stop taking it out on the police.
Sweet. I was just laughing at your comment on my mate's video - looks suspiciously just like the one you've posted here. Not very original mate. Haha...and just remembered I replied to the comment already on Alan's video. Awesome.
1. I'm not the same person as Alan
2. My parents support what I do, they're pretty amazing
3. You don't know me, don't presume to
4. More likely the cops have issues and are taking it out on us, people going about lawful activities
Well I'm happy I made you laugh considering that most animal activists are always miserable. Are you just like the other fool sponging off the State? And your parents support that. Yep, blame the parents. As for originality, could you not come up with some other means to get your 'point' across. Always screaming and shouting. Grow up.
Haha... "persecution complex" - I've never said I'm being persecuted. Where did you get that from?
As for originality, if it works (and demos like ours do) we'll do it. Anyway, there's none of the demo filmed here, so how do you know how we were conducting ourselves on it?
I agree screaming and shouting is quite childish... I've never seen a child throw a brick through a window though, so it must just be an adult thing to do - would you prefer I did that?
Blame your parents for the way you were raised. But then again maybe it's the babysitter that needs to be blamed since most middle class snobs don't raise their kids these days. I bet your parents are civil servants, just like you they sponge off the State
Actually, my dad is self-employed and does a very respectful job and also thinks that the retirement age is rediculous and doesn't plan to do it himself for a long while yet.
I wouldn't "blame" my parents for how I was raised - polite, generous, compassionate. They didn't make me an activist though, that was my doing. And I've never had a babysitter, my mum looked after her kids herself.
Again, presuming to know someone. You're not doing too well with it mate. Have a nice evening.
When did I run away from the cops? I was following them and filming their illegal arrest of my mate. Anyway, running away from the cops isn't always illegal, it depends on the situation.
On that note, do you even know the background of what happened? I assume not as you weren't there. So how do you know what was legal/illegal.
I didn't even notice you spelt "nothing" wrong, I was talking about "you need to grown up"
@PariahSmith just like to say the police officers were both investigated after your pathetic complaint against them. but these allegations were tossed to the side because they viewed all the videos taken, and there is nothing illegal in what the police have done.
@gwynner I didn't make a complaint against them and if they viewed all the video taken and decided the police did nothing wrong, why did they drop the case against me?
But you obviously think you know something about this case, so if you'd like to give some more detail about what I was supposed to have said in my complaint and when the officers were investigated and which footage was viewed, please enlighten the rest of us.
That sucks! I've almost been arrested at a fur protest in the past. The cops said that if I was assaulted or someone else started a fight with me, that I would be taken down anyway, no matter what. And this is in America, mind you. We don't get as many rights as is claimed. The corporations hold all the power with their almighty dollar.
well number 1, the laws are different in other countries. In some there is no freedom of speech. Number two, they were on private property and disturbing the peace. That is like me standing in the middle of their front yard chanting something all day long while they are trying to relax inside their own home trying to relax.
Number 1 - home demos are illegal and noone's trying to relax at work. It's pretty hard to I imagine when your job is to abuse another living creature.
Number 2 (and I believe I've said this already) - we weren't on private property, we were on public land, away from the building.
Number 3 - we weren't breaching the peace.
Once again - WE WEREN'T CHARGED WITH ANYTHING - we'd done nothing wrong. Cops acted illegally.
your just a little loser, those officers do everything to protect you, when you get mugged who do you call? the police, your little chantings wont do anything to change the minds of giant corporations.
When police bother to turn up to a real crime I support them, when all they're doing is attempting to stop free speech and protests that are supposed to be legal I don't support them. When they break the law themselves it doesn't show a good example does it?!
Arrests have to be made according to the written law, and not based on a police officers own political agenda. Even if you don't support these peoples cause, you must stand up for their right to engage in peaceful political decent, which is a fundamental right of any democracy. The alternative is to succumb to a few despots who have commented on this thread and support the formation of a police state based on their own personal ideals. What else do you want to ban?
The offence (that we didn't commit) is "obstruct a constable in the execution of his/her duty" - Police Act '96, s89(2)
Cop must be actin LAWFULLY for this to apply and, as this particular cop arrested my friend UNLAWFULLY under Sec5 for usin a megaphone, no obstruction of the cops durin that arrest, would be illegal.
Summary: S5 arrest = illegal and therefore all (so-called) 'obstruction' arrests were also illegal.
Also, while Im on the subject, what sort of outcome do you think your actions will gain? Do you honestly believe that the director of that company will be sat in his office, having heard you outside and think to himself "Oh dear there are four greasy looking, spotty irks outside telling me to stop what im doing, I best comply"!!!! or was this just a ruse in order to provoke the Police into action? Have you really got nothing better to do with you time, sir?
Of course it wasn't to provoke the police. We were there to protest not because we want to screw cops around.
What else should do when we have something to say, when abuse is going on? Just sit back and think it's not worth it or actually try to do something about it.
Protests like these have stopped several abuses and got a lot of HLS' and Sequani's suppliers, etc. to drop them! It does work.
Nice inclusion of personal insults too, good way to argue a point! Oh, and I'm female, sir!
Just a small note but Police officers are charged with; Preventing all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects and funnily enough, to keep the Queens peace. Your pathetic excuse for a protest doesnt sound particularly peaceful, does it?
1. We weren't breaching the peace or commiting any offences. We even stayed on public land.
2. Protests like these are supposed to be lawful in this so-called democratic society. And the European Constitution of Human Rights says so too (articles 10 and 11)
3. We had done nothing illegal during this protest - the cops had a camera filming us all the time we were there and they also got our films from the day and they couldn't prove we'd done anything wrong - that's why it was dropped!!
They do have to explain you idiot. If he doesn't explain the law, then they can carry on doing what they were doing before.
You could tell by the way he said 'i don't have to explain that' that Mr. Police Officer doesn't actually know the law himself which shows he is stupid cause it's part of his job to know.
So when you say 'Go police' it just shows your stupid for supporting stupity.
i am not a yob but someone who is not blinded by the idea that animals feel pain. These oiks are tearing this country apart and destroying everything, that we have fought for.
And jjmuse121, you should try being a police man and you will see ow difficult it is remembering all these laws, only critise things on which you can back up with hard evidence.
Of course animals feel pain! We're animals and we feel pain, other animals have nervous systems and they scream when being hurt...that's not disputed in the world of science, so it's a pretty stupid thing to say.
I agree there are a lot of laws - that's why a lot of people don't respect them. When you have laws against murder and rape and things that people agree are wrong, you'll get respect for them. But cops should at least know why they're arresting someone!
to columsx the comment you just made is sooo sad. you are saying that maybe animals don't feel pain. will are you an animals? yes human are animals and yes we feel pain. the same with animals. i am soooo tried of people hurting and disrespect animals on a mass level it is just sad. that we thank that we are better. in fact we are the only animals on earth that has destroy the environment and trash and pollute the water. the animals was doing just fine before we human came.
Excellent that we've got this as a prequel to mine. Just shows how unreasonable the police were there on this occasion and just how good a chance we have of getting decent compensation. Well done Pariah. :) xx
Yeah Alan, hope you get loads of dosh from the filth. Maybe you can go on another holiday to Thailand with your brother, Dave. But then again Global Warming is set to kill millions of species in the coming years - so perhaps you should not fly anymore - it isnt good for the environment, or are you not bothered if its you thats having a good time ?
Aw...by the look of your account, you've just set it up so you can have a go at Alan. I'll be sure to tell him, he'll be touched.
I do love it when people make comments that contain personal information about others like where they went on holiday and names of family members. Not very intimidating however, if that was what you were going for - you can see his holiday blog if you google his name.
As always, a fantastic, intelligent comment by a cop(?) Well done...
if the police acted illegally why did they have no charged against them?
gwynner 5 months ago
Some people actually goto work without being bothered... and do something to contribute to their society, unlike these children. And police assaulting your friend? Hes just been arrested. Police can do that. And secondly its not illegal to arrest someone either. Christ, these kids need to learn what a police person actually does. People inside dont want to feel intimidated by some little children with a megaphone at work. SOME PEOPLE are more sensitive than others...
lightningpete 7 months ago
@lightningpete Children? They're in their 20's.. well according to Alanbuttle and PariahSmith's profiles anyway.
People that work don't necessarily contribute to society anyway.. they pay taxes sure, but that doesn't necessarily benefit society as a whole and is compulsory. Someone who changes things for the better are the ones that truly contribute to society, like a scientist who finds out something new, etc.
ThrexyX 5 months ago
I love meat.
craigshaw2601 9 months ago
Are your lives that empty that all you have to do with your time is cause shit outside factories and try and wind up the police ?
otterspocket84 9 months ago
@otterspocket84 This wasn't a factory. Some of us have things, other than shopping and mindlessly working for money, that we feel strongly about. The police had no reason to be there - if you could have seen how peaceful our protest was before this video was taken, you'd realise that. My life is rather full and I'm very happy with it, thankyou
PariahSmith 3 days ago
The reason you 4 didn't get charged is because the CPS couldn't be arsed to do it, admit it. The police only arrested you's to get you the fuck out of the way. They don't have to charge you with every offence, because charging someone costs money and hassle, and it was probably not in anyone's interest.
Before you start, I've been arrested for similar reasons where I was having a laugh with 2 of my mates with a megaphone and drink.. the same happened us. They straightup said they CBA...
Riotette 9 months ago
@Riotette We're animal rights activists - they try to get us for every little thing. Drinking offences are far too much hassle - they keep you in til you sober up and let you go. It's a preventative thing, to stop you causing trouble when you're pissed.
PariahSmith 3 days ago
dude that is true hater right there according to the first amement a person has rights to free speech, grouping, belief, print and one more that I can't think of. This was not against the law once even if he had a megaphone if people didnt want to hear they didnt have to, it wasnt as if they were straping people to chairs and forceing them to listen. Also the cop did not set the reason for arrest which is against the rules, and he just grabbed him so he would have a case in my belief.
101escapeTHEworld 10 months ago
@101escapeTHEworld THE 1st amendment does not apply in the U.K.. plus they were not on public property.
chaos0691 1 week ago
@chaos0691 We still (apparently) have a right to freedom of speech in the UK though. And we were on public property - it was only when we were arrested that we were taken on to private land. Well, actually, fair enough - when I was filming I walked on to private land myself, but trespass isn't an offence in the UK, so that's irrelevant.
PariahSmith 3 days ago
BTW, can I just ask, not in a horrible way, but how come you animal protesters NEVER protest against halal meat? I am not anti-Muslim but that practice is incredibly cruel. The animal is consciously bladed at the throat so the blood can be drained, meaning it dies in a state of terror and in a lot of pain. I can't believe that never attracts attention from the animal rights lobby... just wondering.
ThrexyX 10 months ago 3
@ThrexyX Hey. Thanks for your comment. I think some people do campaign against Halal meat, it just depends on the individual person or group and what they wish to spend their time doing. It is a difficult subject though, as you don't want people to get the wrong idea or to come and protest with you for the wrong reasons. It is a cruel practice, but then again, all meat is from an animal that has had its life brutally taken from it, regardless of whether it's stunned first or not.
Thanks, E
PariahSmith 10 months ago
I saw alanbuttle's view, ha. That honestly looked like a right laugh. Have you and your friends been arrested since then?
ThrexyX 11 months ago
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ChrisWales22 1 year ago
@ChrisWales22 The case was dropped
PariahSmith 3 days ago
What a bunch of annoying little cunts you are. In fact, I'm going to kick my neighbours dog till it's legs break. Because of you.
buggerbilly 1 year ago
@buggerbilly Cheers for showing what an idiot you are. I appreciate the time you wasted typing that
PariahSmith 3 days ago
You should never say you "understand" what an officer says to you. In law stating that you "understand" translates to STANDING UNDER their authority, thats why they always repeat and ensure that you UNDER STAND what they are saying.
Good video :)
brunster64 1 year ago
@revolver3838 I have no idea what to say to this. I think it speaks for iself. Have you bby any chance commented on a video by a friend of mine where a cop says he is the law? That person also ended their comment with DIE. Very eloquent. Oh and I'm not a student and I do have a job and you can't go to prison for S5... you're unlikely to for Obstruct PC and who would I be bum f*cked (there are children about) by? Prisons aren't mixed sex. Thanks for your input.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@PariahSmith i assumed you was the bloke!!!??? well in that case i hope you get bum fucked by the top dog with a make shift dildo shes fashioned together using the plastic knives and forks shes managed to smuggle out of the canteen in her knickers!!! on a serious not though animal testing is necessary and should be allowed to happen unhindered by protesters or otherwise. i dont believe in animal cruelty though, just common sense.
revolver3838 1 year ago
I dont get what the big deal is....monkeys love smoking!!
onetimeonly11 1 year ago
one last vegan to worry about
sfdg101 1 year ago
The Police officer performed his duty more than lightly here. He had explained the complaint to one of the other 'protesters' and what actionhe would/could take. The guy with the microphone was just a cockyshit, and the girl holding the camera should get a life, along with the rest of the crowd who should learn very quickly thy are wasting their time. No Goverment and no Police will change their minds or change laws just because of a few social-skill-lacking teenagers.
Happy Handcuffing
Brendonloves1996 1 year ago
Wow!! So he didn't know what law you were breaking (um, because you weren't breaking one, as far as I can tell), and rather than admit that he had no business asking you to stop using your megaphone, he just arrests you!?
As for the previous post, it's interesting how subjective it all is, isn't it? If you're having zero effect, you're using your right to free speech. If you're interfering with business in any way, you're creating a disturbance (or worse).
kimberlily1983 1 year ago
@kimberlily1983 Yep, that about sums it up. Thanks for the support
PariahSmith 1 year ago
As you were asked to stop using the megaphone by a police officer and you clearly didn't you are breaking the law as you were creating a disturbance which is an offence (breach of the peace) the police officer doesn't need to explain this to you. When you are out in public, a police officer's word is law.
caravanner333 1 year ago
@caravanner333 Ah, yet another person who doesn't know the law. Thanks for your contribution - you can piece together a response to yourself from my responses to other people who (also wrongfully) said similar things to your comment.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
Also, Judge Holland (high court) ruled that the use of a megaphone is a legitimate part of legitimate protest. Argue it with him.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@PariahSmith Animal rights? What an idiotic concept. With rights come responsibilities so the next time I see a dog shitting in a public place I intend to make a citizens arrest. I have probably less respect for the police than you do but answer me this: Would you or have you ever refused a life saving drug because you knew it had been tested on animals? And yes you are right, the use of a megaphone in a public place is neither illegal or unlawful.
sail1948 1 year ago
@sail1948 The idea is that we stop believing we're superior to other animals & leave them to live without interference. There's a difference between killing for survival & what we do to them. I don't agree with pharmaceuticals regardless of whether they're animal tested or not. However, if I was to take them and there was one not tested on animals, I would choose that. Usually there's no choice. Your "public place" concreted over wild animals' homes. Humans domesticated dogs. Comes with a price.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
what a thick copper
owls1588 1 year ago
So you are aware that the police have better things to do, seeing as there are people out there with guns/knives. Instead they have to deal with a call out for you as you are being a pain. I'm not saying you don't have a right to protest, however using a megaphone is no different to shouting in the street. You know someone is going to get fed up of you and want you removed. Instead of a peaceful protest you turn your campaigning for animal rights into annoying someone just doing their job.
BIgbrotha87 1 year ago
@BIgbrotha87 I didn't ask them to come out and act unlawfully. They could have come, seen we weren't doing anything unlawful and left. It's up to them. And it's up to the people at the company not to waste police time. As there's no footage of the demo before the arrests, you can't really comment on our behaviour on the demo.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
hahah that is illegal you cant arrest me ---
What do you think he just didnt. -- looks like you were getting arrested
badpanda84 1 year ago
I don't think anyone actually said "you can't arrest me" - cops arrest people unlawfully all the time.
PariahSmith 1 year ago 2
Stupid Animal Rights Activists. Makes me want to go out there and get the biggest steak you ever saw. Then beat you upside the head with it.
weshiebert1 1 year ago
Thanks for your insightful input. Appreciated.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
Why do all animal rights twat's always look like they need a good wash?
1810Lee 1 year ago
No insightful, well-thought-out comment about what we were actually doing? You disappoint me...
PariahSmith 1 year ago
Lmao look at them getting arrested fucking deserved it aswell, no one wants to hear your animal rights activist bull shit, fucking wierdo's..
apple4000 1 year ago
The day will come when you want to have a say about something that affects you and then see how easy it is to do a "lawful" protest - you think it's great that our human rights as animal rights activists are being taken away from us, it'll happen to the rest of society too - in fact, it already is!
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@PariahSmith
No you are being arse holes to the police so they will be arse holes back to you works both ways. They have better things to be doing then dealing with a bunch of benefit scrounging cretins.
Animals will never get rights, NEVER so stop wasting your time and Police time.
apple4000 1 year ago
The cops didn't have to be there - we were perfectly within our rights to be protesting so the police trying to stop us was them wasting time, not us.
Either way, being an arsehole isn't illegal and the cops have to deal with people with guns and knives, rapists, drunks... we had a megaphone and had actually been quite polite and not screaming on it. Compared to the rest, hardly arseholes.
"benefit scrounging cretins" - how did you decide from this video that I'm on benefits? Idiot
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@PariahSmith Even tho I don't agree with allot of the animal rights folks I still believe they have the right to protest. Your right, when they take your rights away, they will start to take everyone's rights away to the point that if you protest the crooks in government they will have you jailed or shot.
skjoyner 1 year ago
@apple4000 They should have the right to free speech & protest. But I think protest have to be done on public property, like so many feet on the side of the road that's owned by the city, tax payers paid for. The cop said your on private property so they have no right to protest on private property. Another problem is the company is breaking no laws. That's another reason to remove them by force if necessary. And animals have rights. They have the right to be served with fry's & gravy.
skjoyner 1 year ago
@skjoyner We were actually on public property until the arrests took place - the cop was saying "you're on private property" to my friend. When the first arrests were made, the sergeant dragged my friends on to private land where they had parked the police car. I followed to film. Another friend (alanbuttle) walked on to the land to film our arrest (police have broken people's property... and arms... before, so it's always important to film what happens). Noone was on private property until then
PariahSmith 1 year ago
What happend to our rights ? thoes police officers knows fuck all
Matthew6694 1 year ago
what a bunch of nutters .pity he didnt hurt that fag of an anti stupid fuck has nothing better to do then pester hard working honest people who are just doing there job just like this police officer .
lochboliam 1 year ago
Good constructive criticism of our lawful protest, thanks very much!
PariahSmith 1 year ago
hahahaha idiot imo
They can arrest you like someone said, breach of the peace!
READ THE LAW AND GET A JOB?
davebobs16 2 years ago
You read the law... then you'll find out that there are criteria that have to be met for a cop to arrest someone for breach of the peace and we weren't doing anything wrong. I have a job thanks and I'm now studying law. Maybe you should too before you start talking about something you know nothing about
PariahSmith 1 year ago
Also, we weren't arrested for breach of peace so that's a little irrelevant anyway
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@PariahSmith lol that what everyone who gets arrested says.
badpanda84 1 year ago
But we weren't arrested for breach of the peace... and the case was dropped - the CPS wouldn't even charge us with anything.
PariahSmith 1 year ago
your demonstration is abusive and potentially threatening to the people in the building and since it is in earshot of them you have commited an offence! so you can be lawfully arrested. you can also be arrested under breach of the peace.
hmmcrunchy 2 years ago
Abusive? Potentially threatening? Since it is in earshot of them its an offence??
I really wish people would only comment on things that they know about. If you don't know the law, don't pretend you do. We've defended ourselves in several cases now so you've got no chance of fooling us. As I've said hundreds of times before THE CASE GOT DROPPED - the arrests were illegal.
We couldn't get arrested (legally) for breach of peace because that requires us to be using or threatening violence.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
any animal rights protest i have encountered have been very threatening and i dont really have any time for the people doing them. shame really a it is a good cause tainted by the people who mess about like this
hmmcrunchy 2 years ago
Mess about?? Our demo was perfectly peaceful when the cops came over and began breaking the law - they weren't there at the start of the demo and there was no trouble - we didn't go on to private land, we stayed away from the building and we were talking on the megaphone about what happens inside HLS. The video only shows what happens after the police show up and try to stop us from doing what we are lawfully allowed to do - we got a lot of support from public, so we can't be that threatening!
PariahSmith 2 years ago
I can see the guy (presumably you) holding the megaphone, obviously protesting about something, I can also hear the verbal abuse being shouted in the background - ergo causing a disturbance.
Causing a disturbance IS illegal our country and adopting an arrogant approach is not going to help your argument.
Your replies to other peoples comments on this video seem to echo my above statement exactly.
I understand you feel passionate about a cause but your approach is maybe not the best way.
Katashtrophie 2 years ago
I'm the girl behind the camera - you can see me in the bideo by Alan Buttle - the sequel to this video.
We were conducting a perfectly peaceful and lawful demonstration before the officers came along. It was only because of their attitude towards us on a demo about 20mins earlier that my friend (the guy) seems arrogant. The officer had already proved he didn't know the law.
Again, causing a disturbance is not illegal. There is no abuse being shouted - shame on "arrowmight" is not abuse.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
You cant argue about being arrested under those circumstances, your creating a disturbance and bloody arrogant with it to boot - "Under what law?"
The police officer requested you stop doing what you were doing and you reply by giving the answer you did I'm not supprised you got arrested.
You cant expect the officer to allow you to act the way you did because a technicality in the law doesnt specifically prohibit you from doing what you were doing - 30 years ago you'd have got trunchoned.
Katashtrophie 2 years ago
Under what circumstances? You've no idea what was going on before the arrest as the video starts at the point that the officer begins talking to us. You don't know what our conduct was like prior to this.
Causing a disturbance isn't illegal, neither is arrogance. And it's nothing compared to the suffering that thousands of animals go through every minute.
Police can request us to do anything they want, it doesn't mean they have a lawful power to force us to do so. And this officer didn't.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
Er, I'm pretty sure "under what law?" is a pretty reasonable request.... o.O
doitinasubmarine 2 years ago 2
officers breaking the law make me sick, i proundly support the police but this guy is NOT an officer of the law. protesting is what made this country so when our rights trampled on by a big police boot we had better stand up for ourselfs and for the country and for the law that these good protesters respected while the office dicided to make up his own laws
666mrhell 2 years ago
wat pircks these kids are. id cum there and deck the fuckin lot of u !!
danc2910 2 years ago
Ah. Intelligent comments. On a serious note, would you like to add some constructive criticism to your comment?? Like explaining why we're pricks...??
Thanks
PariahSmith 2 years ago
Drone is a killer it does not distinguish enemy from women and children, Muslim countries r actually testing ground 4 USA live ammunition, live tested ammunition is worth 200% more then which is not tested? People r against chemical testing on animals, but they say nothing about arm industries testing live ammunition on women &children?
videomust 2 years ago
Actually, we're human rights and animal rights activists, we're not single issue activists. We do a lot for different organisations and when we hear about human/animal/environment abuses, etc. This protest was specifically against a company that was specifically involved in supplying lab equipment for animal tests...
PariahSmith 2 years ago
Why is it that you devote your time to campaigning, presumably in an attempt to raise awareness/initiate change regarding ethical issues, and yet you're so content to sue people over the most trivial of issues?? Wasting peoples time, money and resources whilst making a nuisance of yourself fairly well undermines any cause you intended to support, no matter how noble it might be... All we see is a cunt on youtube. You're a prick.
flexiproof 2 years ago
You started with a good argument & question, so why end with lowerin yourself to a level where you use insults? Being arrested for exercising a human right, spendin 9 hours in a cell without food & then being released and made to return twice before they drop the case isn't trivial to me - it's a waste of my time, money & energy when I could be out there spending that time raising awareness. I'm not suing for the money, it's out of principle that the cops shouldn't get away with breakin the law.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
Lol. Loving watching these cunts get arrested.
And what DID happen when this went to court? Hmmm? You paid your fines and slunk away I'll wager.
And how DID that suit go? Nowhere?
ROFLOL!
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
Ah, stooping to the level of personal insults. I like it.
As I've said in the past, this didn't go to court. We answered bail last May and it got dropped.
The suit is going quite well at the moment actually, thanks. Got some good solicitors on the case.
Have a beautiful day.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
I guarantee you that your lawsuit won't get anywhere - the arrest was entirely legal - the police officer has to tell you what you're doing wrong (using the megaphone), they do not have to justify it.... now quit bugging businesses and go and get some GCSEs
LondonProphet 2 years ago
Well, it already is getting somewhere, thanks. The arrest wasn't legal - using the megaphone is entirely legal. The police officer has to have the law behind him when he tells you to do/stop doing something.
I have 10 GCSEs thanks and two NDs, thanks.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
you just got owned ;-]
And the arrest wasn't legal, its perfectly legal to use a megaphone in that case, the building has no injunction and they are not on private property.
Destructo070792 2 years ago
the guy that got arrested is hot, can I have his e-mail ??
liekarakrynistel 2 years ago
haha. will mention it to him x
PariahSmith 2 years ago
"I'm explaining to you that they've asked inside that building because they can hear..." well yeah that is kind of the point. If they really dont want you using megaphones then they'll have to pay a shit load for an injunction, and thats their loss 'cuz we'll still demonstrate there =] We had some coppers that were trying to lay down that section 5 stuff the other day but they didnt go as far as arresting us!
Destructo070792 2 years ago
Good arrest. The Company did not want him on private property and he was being disorderly.
DeerMurder5 3 years ago
We weren't on private property. The guy who the cop is shouting at at the end walked on to private property after the rest of us were being arrested to film what was going on. The only reason we were on their property was because of being arrested.
What disorderly behaviour?
Good arrest? Hahahahaha
PariahSmith 2 years ago
That girl was clearly obstructing the officer she wasnt simply filming. Its pretty clear why your being arrested, police officers can arrest you for a number of general laws and pissin them off like you do will get you arrested! You deserve it and are not real protestors
bigochino 3 years ago
how where you illegally arrested when the officer explained you have been arrested for obstruction?
bigochino 3 years ago
Because I wasn't obstructing him and, even if I was, the arrest of my friend was unlawful in the first place. Therefore any arrest for obstructing is automatically unlawful. The officer has to be obstructed during "the execution of his duty" and his duty is not to unlawfully arrest people.
Also, just because a cop has told you why he's arresting you, it doesn't make the arrest legal.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
British Police Need Tazers, 50,000 volts would shut them up.
NASAUNDERCOVER 3 years ago
What was that? British police need to be tazered? 50,000 volts would shut them up? That's a bit extreme.... I wouldn't wish that on anyone, cops included.
PariahSmith 2 years ago
No you would rather people burn down houses & interfere with medical research that saves lives.
What a humanitarian you are.
IlSeFousDeTaGuele 2 years ago
Haha... burning down houses? When have I ever done that? Are you a scientist? I doubt it - prove that animal research saves lives... You can't.
Anyway, this demo was a against a company that supplies HLS and Sequani - companies that have been exposed commiting horrific acts of animal cruelty, testing products already on the market and falsifying test data.
Contract testing labs test anything - Splenda, the artificial sweetener was tested on hundreds of animals, photocopier ink, bleaches...
PariahSmith 2 years ago
this happens at demos here in chicago all the time. police think that they can make up laws on the spot, or that whatever they say goes. its heartening to see people im other countries not cowering in the face of bullies
much love
crashinglikehc 3 years ago 2
Animals have no voices and it is good to see some young people speaking for them.Police show themselves here, picking easy targets. They want to get some real work done.
I am not surprised they stick up for cruelty and torture of defenceless animals. They use dogs and horses as weapons.
This is a disgraceful incident of police bullying the young people. We are becoming a police state.
spellcandles 3 years ago 9
@spellcandles Aminals are beneath humans. they don't have rights
dhowa862 1 year ago
@dhowa862 Humans are animals. Idiot.
Rights are given to humans and other animals by humans. We don't have a "natural right" to do this. All animals have a "natural right" to live
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@PariahSmith No need to Insult me. I think that you know what I meant when I said that "animals are beneath humans" I don't like to refer to humans as animals even though i know that we technically are. no other animal comes close to being nearly as intelligent as we are.
dhowa862 1 year ago
@dhowa862 OK, sure, whatever you say. I'm not going to waste my time on this
PariahSmith 1 year ago
@spellcandles If people like this weren't causing a scene then police could get on with some 'real work'. The police are not sticking up for, nor are they opposing any opinion. They are upholding the law. This person breached section 5 of the public order act, which incidentally is incredibly easy to justify an arrest for.
007RoyalFlush 11 months ago
@007RoyalFlush Or the police could just not turn up when we are peacefully protesting - before the cops showed, we were handing out leaflets and hardly using the megaphone, they had no reason to come and cause a scene. And if s5 POA is so easy to justify an arrest for, why did the case get dropped?
PariahSmith 10 months ago
@PariahSmith You're missing the bigger picture. Cops don't care if people get charged for minor things like S5. The point of that sort of arrest is to get you out of the way and off the street.
007RoyalFlush 10 months ago
@007RoyalFlush No, you're right. Cops don't care if people get charged, they do just want you off the street. That's why so many arrests of political activists are unlawful.
PariahSmith 10 months ago
@PariahSmith It has nothing to do with whether the arrest is lawful or not. Just because someone isn't found guilty or charged with the offence they are arrested, does not mean it is a wrongful arrest, it just means there is insufficient evidence, which in this circumstance doesn't really matter, as the objective was to defuse the situation, not to get someone a criminal record.
007RoyalFlush 10 months ago
@007RoyalFlush Look, I was there, the video footage shows what happened after the cops arrived, so you have no idea what "the situation" was like before they arrived. If everything was on camera, you'd have thought there'd be sufficient evidence. But, as the arrest was unlawful BECAUSE WE WERE NOT BREAKING ANY LAWS the evidence all went in our favour. Anyway, they've admitted it was unlawful, so that kind of settles it.
PariahSmith 10 months ago
@PariahSmith I have watched the video, and the officer was 100% right. He asked the little twat politely to stop using the megaphone. Then the little twat decided to get gobby. The officer explained why he was asking him to stop. The officer explained that his actions were disturbing others in the workplace, and quite rightly arrested ihm for section 5. The arrest was simple and lawful. You saying the police have admitted it was unlawful is a lie.
007RoyalFlush 10 months ago
@007RoyalFlush Section 5 POA86 doesn't cover disturbing people in the workplace. It covers harassment, alarm or distress using threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour or words or disorderly behaviour. Our behaviour up until the police started abusing their powers was completely lawful and peaceful and should not have been covered by s5 or any other law. Hence the dropped charges.
PariahSmith 10 months ago
@spellcandles
no, this is just a cop following orders. If you want police state, live in China or North Korea. Where just voicing this would have you dissapear tomorrow or sent to a "Re-education Camp" (aka a Prison Labor Camp)
TheChoujinVirus 5 months ago 2
make sure you hit that terrorist up side the head i hate terrorist
carter20081985 3 years ago
hahahahaha
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Pariah Smith, the videos show the arrogasnce and bullying attitude of our police quite wonderfully. I wouldn't piss on a copper if s/he were on fire - more likely to chuck a bit of coal on him / her. Incompetent, thuggish, lying swines.
HenryHallsGuestNight 3 years ago 4
idiots
slartibartfast69 3 years ago
Ok so you're the girl with the camera.. I see. I'm sorry your grilfriend is a bit bored, maybe you should cheer her up. I didn't kick the dog of course so I didn't get bit. I'm from Waterford. Have you ever heard of it? where are you from? I say you're really proper English. Do you like tea and cucumber sandwiches?
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Ah, so you've started lying too. You said in your last comment that you did kick a dog. I did cheer her up... we had a little giggle at you, then went and did something useful, unlike people who spend most of their time on youtube. I like rooibos tea, yeah, but not cucumber. Do you like stereotyping people?
PariahSmith 3 years ago
More animal testing please.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Bit OTT with the comments - can you try and condense them all down into one? Especially if you're just gonna repeat the same thing each time. Snob.
1. I'm not in uni
2. If I was working off the land, why would my dad (via the babysitter of course even tho I'm 21) be paying for me to work?
3. The cops weren't there when we began our protest so I wasn't there for them
4. I don't need attention from "real men" and I got a great girlfriend anyway
5. Did you just call me a dog in Italian? :)
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Oh dear I've upset a middle class activist! Can't take it can you. It's alright for you to be going around verbally and physically abusing people. When the shoe is on the other foot though.... I hope your girlfriend is not like you. Here's hoping she's living in the real world. Give her my regards.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
No, you haven't upset me, don't worry. It takes a lot to. When did I verbally or physically abuse someone? You really need to start backing up your claims with some evidence mate. My girlfriend isn't like me, we're very different, but she's compassionate and stands up for what she believes in so she's similar in that respect. She says hi and hopes you're having fun spending your days obsessively commenting on youtube videos. Not got a job?
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Well I'm glad to know I haven't upset you. Your girlfriend seems very nice. Tell her I hope she has a nice day too. Screaming and shouting at people is what 'activists' do. Youtube videos are there to be commented on. Just because you don't agree with the comments doesn't mean we have to stop the show. Have a real nice afternoon. Ha ha ha.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Having a wonderful day thanks, doing internet research, chilling in the garden with cider, it's a beautiful day. Maybe you should get out and do something too.
A very stereotypical idea of activists - there are lots of different types of activism - letter-writing, doing stalls, demonstrations (not all involving shouting!) ALF activities.
It's not that I don't agree with your comments, it's that you post a lot of them, none with any actual real argument in them and most of them the same.
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Well I hope you enjoy your scrumpy jack. It's raining in Ireland so I can't go outside. Gosh, all the different types of activism .. must keep you very busy. Why don't you knit some pullovers with amimal 'rights' logos on them. By the way which one were you in the video.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
In this (my) video, I'm the one behind the camera...my girlfriend is the one with the pink hair.
I don't do all the different types of activism myself - there are other activists in the World.
I don't fancy making any pullovers right now and I'm quite warm so I don't think I have the need for any, but thankyou for the suggestion though, I'll keep it in mind.
Raining outside. Oh gosh, no, you had better not go outside, like there's weather(!) out there! :O
What do you mean by " 'right' "?
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Well I think your girlfriend's hair is so cooooooool and 'original'. The weather outside now is fine so I'll go for a nice walk today. Why don't you knit those pullovers for Christmas presents with the animal 'rights' logo on them? I thought you were actually the girl! Ah well. What do you mean by: ' What do you mean by 'right''?
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Yeah it's well nice. Enjoy your walk. If you look at Alan's video, you might be able to work out which one I am. Good luck!
(oh and I was enquiring as to why you keep putting 'these punctuation marks' around words like rights, among others)
PariahSmith 3 years ago
I di thank you. Kicked a dog on the way. We're you the bent over the car by the cop.. I say you enjoyed that.... I use the '' to take the pee. I thought that was obvious. Say hello to you girlfriend again. I rather like her. Is she reading my postings too?
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Grow up please. Ask you're parents; sorry the baysitterr to explain manners to you. You'll have to ask the other fools to help you retaliate. Poor you. Left-wing looney toon.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
I'm not even going to mention the bad spelling again.
Help me retaliate? What?
I just love that within this somewhat abusive comment you're telling me to get some manners.
Hahahahaha...hypocrite...hahaha
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Right, looking at your plentiful comments, here goes:
- Your basis for assuming I don't have a job is..? And why is a job necessary?
- Mine and Alan's comments are quite different - your's are the same
- I'm not middle class, but yes, when people are being abusive or negative I do like mentioning mistakes (like your "and now [how] to spell")
- Animal activists are miserable? You've obv' never seen one of our demos!
- "Fool" eh? That description of Alan sounds familiar
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Oh I put in that mistake to detemine HOW much of a middle class snob that you are. You fell for it..LOL. Why you are nothing but an elist snob. Why the you's.. that is a grammatatical ( deliberate spelling error!) mistake. You're not as elite as you like to think you are. I'm delighted the police harassed you. Snob.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
My behaviour?
So now you're the one saying the cops harassed me. And you've decided I go to uni, so therefore doing something "meaningful". And you're using the word LOL. You and Alan have more in common than you think hahaha.
An official job isn't necessary - being able to survive is. Whether that's through growing your own food, getting it out of bins, building your own house, paying for things, however you decide to live... and I get by fine without state handouts thankyou.
PariahSmith 3 years ago
The same cowardly animal 'activist' protesting again. They have problems with their parents and need to deal with those issues. Stop taking it out on the police.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Sweet. I was just laughing at your comment on my mate's video - looks suspiciously just like the one you've posted here. Not very original mate. Haha...and just remembered I replied to the comment already on Alan's video. Awesome.
1. I'm not the same person as Alan
2. My parents support what I do, they're pretty amazing
3. You don't know me, don't presume to
4. More likely the cops have issues and are taking it out on us, people going about lawful activities
5. Please explain 'cowardly'
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Well I'm happy I made you laugh considering that most animal activists are always miserable. Are you just like the other fool sponging off the State? And your parents support that. Yep, blame the parents. As for originality, could you not come up with some other means to get your 'point' across. Always screaming and shouting. Grow up.
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Blame my parents for what?
Haha... "persecution complex" - I've never said I'm being persecuted. Where did you get that from?
As for originality, if it works (and demos like ours do) we'll do it. Anyway, there's none of the demo filmed here, so how do you know how we were conducting ourselves on it?
I agree screaming and shouting is quite childish... I've never seen a child throw a brick through a window though, so it must just be an adult thing to do - would you prefer I did that?
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Blame your parents for the way you were raised. But then again maybe it's the babysitter that needs to be blamed since most middle class snobs don't raise their kids these days. I bet your parents are civil servants, just like you they sponge off the State
Finnbar01 3 years ago
Actually, my dad is self-employed and does a very respectful job and also thinks that the retirement age is rediculous and doesn't plan to do it himself for a long while yet.
I wouldn't "blame" my parents for how I was raised - polite, generous, compassionate. They didn't make me an activist though, that was my doing. And I've never had a babysitter, my mum looked after her kids herself.
Again, presuming to know someone. You're not doing too well with it mate. Have a nice evening.
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Your a bunch of geeks!
That police officer did "NOTHNG" wrong!
You need to grown up!
mattking1991 3 years ago
He acted illegally, that's why the charges got dropped.
You need to learn grammar and spelling.
PariahSmith 3 years ago
No you acted illegally, by running away from the police! You really are a bunch of geeks!
(so i mistyped "nothing", big deal)
PRICK!
mattking1991 3 years ago
When did I run away from the cops? I was following them and filming their illegal arrest of my mate. Anyway, running away from the cops isn't always illegal, it depends on the situation.
On that note, do you even know the background of what happened? I assume not as you weren't there. So how do you know what was legal/illegal.
I didn't even notice you spelt "nothing" wrong, I was talking about "you need to grown up"
Have a nice day.
PariahSmith 3 years ago
@PariahSmith just like to say the police officers were both investigated after your pathetic complaint against them. but these allegations were tossed to the side because they viewed all the videos taken, and there is nothing illegal in what the police have done.
gwynner 11 months ago
@gwynner I didn't make a complaint against them and if they viewed all the video taken and decided the police did nothing wrong, why did they drop the case against me?
But you obviously think you know something about this case, so if you'd like to give some more detail about what I was supposed to have said in my complaint and when the officers were investigated and which footage was viewed, please enlighten the rest of us.
PariahSmith 11 months ago
That sucks! I've almost been arrested at a fur protest in the past. The cops said that if I was assaulted or someone else started a fight with me, that I would be taken down anyway, no matter what. And this is in America, mind you. We don't get as many rights as is claimed. The corporations hold all the power with their almighty dollar.
Anywho, keep on fighting for animals!
tuffenoughtorock 3 years ago 5
well number 1, the laws are different in other countries. In some there is no freedom of speech. Number two, they were on private property and disturbing the peace. That is like me standing in the middle of their front yard chanting something all day long while they are trying to relax inside their own home trying to relax.
makols1 3 years ago
Not exactly.
Number 1 - home demos are illegal and noone's trying to relax at work. It's pretty hard to I imagine when your job is to abuse another living creature.
Number 2 (and I believe I've said this already) - we weren't on private property, we were on public land, away from the building.
Number 3 - we weren't breaching the peace.
Once again - WE WEREN'T CHARGED WITH ANYTHING - we'd done nothing wrong. Cops acted illegally.
The End.
PariahSmith 3 years ago
your just a little loser, those officers do everything to protect you, when you get mugged who do you call? the police, your little chantings wont do anything to change the minds of giant corporations.
sexytime345555555555 3 years ago
When police bother to turn up to a real crime I support them, when all they're doing is attempting to stop free speech and protests that are supposed to be legal I don't support them. When they break the law themselves it doesn't show a good example does it?!
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Arrests have to be made according to the written law, and not based on a police officers own political agenda. Even if you don't support these peoples cause, you must stand up for their right to engage in peaceful political decent, which is a fundamental right of any democracy. The alternative is to succumb to a few despots who have commented on this thread and support the formation of a police state based on their own personal ideals. What else do you want to ban?
98055760 3 years ago 11
GENERAL INFO (pay attention columnsx!)
The offence (that we didn't commit) is "obstruct a constable in the execution of his/her duty" - Police Act '96, s89(2)
Cop must be actin LAWFULLY for this to apply and, as this particular cop arrested my friend UNLAWFULLY under Sec5 for usin a megaphone, no obstruction of the cops durin that arrest, would be illegal.
Summary: S5 arrest = illegal and therefore all (so-called) 'obstruction' arrests were also illegal.
All backed up by case bein dropped!
PariahSmith 3 years ago
until you post the nfa letter up i dont believe you one minute
internetprotected123 3 years ago
I'm not going to waste time humouring you with the NFA letter, or the NWA, ACAB or JCB letter for that matter. Don't believe me? Swivel!
PariahSmith 3 years ago
fucking idiot police officer
GREAT VIDEO
VIDEOING WHILE BEING ARRESTED IS PRETTY DAM HARD SO WELL DONE
antifahatesnazis 3 years ago 5
Also, while Im on the subject, what sort of outcome do you think your actions will gain? Do you honestly believe that the director of that company will be sat in his office, having heard you outside and think to himself "Oh dear there are four greasy looking, spotty irks outside telling me to stop what im doing, I best comply"!!!! or was this just a ruse in order to provoke the Police into action? Have you really got nothing better to do with you time, sir?
Thelastbastionofhope 3 years ago
Of course it wasn't to provoke the police. We were there to protest not because we want to screw cops around.
What else should do when we have something to say, when abuse is going on? Just sit back and think it's not worth it or actually try to do something about it.
Protests like these have stopped several abuses and got a lot of HLS' and Sequani's suppliers, etc. to drop them! It does work.
Nice inclusion of personal insults too, good way to argue a point! Oh, and I'm female, sir!
PariahSmith 3 years ago
Just a small note but Police officers are charged with; Preventing all offences against the persons and properties of Her Majesty's subjects and funnily enough, to keep the Queens peace. Your pathetic excuse for a protest doesnt sound particularly peaceful, does it?
Thelastbastionofhope 3 years ago
1. We weren't breaching the peace or commiting any offences. We even stayed on public land.
2. Protests like these are supposed to be lawful in this so-called democratic society. And the European Constitution of Human Rights says so too (articles 10 and 11)
3. We had done nothing illegal during this protest - the cops had a camera filming us all the time we were there and they also got our films from the day and they couldn't prove we'd done anything wrong - that's why it was dropped!!
PariahSmith 3 years ago
the police do not have to explain everything to these yobs, the police has every right to do that. Go POLICE!
columnsx 3 years ago
They do have to explain you idiot. If he doesn't explain the law, then they can carry on doing what they were doing before.
You could tell by the way he said 'i don't have to explain that' that Mr. Police Officer doesn't actually know the law himself which shows he is stupid cause it's part of his job to know.
So when you say 'Go police' it just shows your stupid for supporting stupity.
jjmuse121 3 years ago 5
columnsx .. you come across as though you are un-educated .. just like the yob in uniform who made the illegal arrest!!
AnimalMagic1 3 years ago 4
i am not a yob but someone who is not blinded by the idea that animals feel pain. These oiks are tearing this country apart and destroying everything, that we have fought for.
And jjmuse121, you should try being a police man and you will see ow difficult it is remembering all these laws, only critise things on which you can back up with hard evidence.
columnsx 3 years ago
Who fought for what exactly?
Of course animals feel pain! We're animals and we feel pain, other animals have nervous systems and they scream when being hurt...that's not disputed in the world of science, so it's a pretty stupid thing to say.
I agree there are a lot of laws - that's why a lot of people don't respect them. When you have laws against murder and rape and things that people agree are wrong, you'll get respect for them. But cops should at least know why they're arresting someone!
PariahSmith 3 years ago
what evidence do you have that animals are the same as humans?
Besides how do you know that animals are in pain, they could enjoy it.
And we fought once as a unified country, dominating the world, as the BRITISH EMPIRE.
oiks like you have no respect for the law or anything else apart from logging your arse's just for some animal.
And you rights activists who got the hunting ban, have no idea what foxes are really like?
And you never thought about the dogs!
columnsx 3 years ago
to columsx the comment you just made is sooo sad. you are saying that maybe animals don't feel pain. will are you an animals? yes human are animals and yes we feel pain. the same with animals. i am soooo tried of people hurting and disrespect animals on a mass level it is just sad. that we thank that we are better. in fact we are the only animals on earth that has destroy the environment and trash and pollute the water. the animals was doing just fine before we human came.
ecloveanimals 3 years ago 5
What's he on about a microphone for, surely its the megaphone that was the problem, unless...?
untilallarefree 3 years ago
Yeah he knows about as much about the difference between a megaphone and a microphone as he does about the law!
alanbuttle 3 years ago 5
Oh yes...this is good.
untilallarefree 3 years ago
Excellent that we've got this as a prequel to mine. Just shows how unreasonable the police were there on this occasion and just how good a chance we have of getting decent compensation. Well done Pariah. :) xx
alanbuttle 3 years ago 4
Yeah Alan, hope you get loads of dosh from the filth. Maybe you can go on another holiday to Thailand with your brother, Dave. But then again Global Warming is set to kill millions of species in the coming years - so perhaps you should not fly anymore - it isnt good for the environment, or are you not bothered if its you thats having a good time ?
b3gb13 3 years ago
Aw...by the look of your account, you've just set it up so you can have a go at Alan. I'll be sure to tell him, he'll be touched.
I do love it when people make comments that contain personal information about others like where they went on holiday and names of family members. Not very intimidating however, if that was what you were going for - you can see his holiday blog if you google his name.
As always, a fantastic, intelligent comment by a cop(?) Well done...
PariahSmith 3 years ago