2001 Confrontation Between Ward Churchill And Paul Watson

[Ayscobemusic]

He reminds me of Douglas Adams, a great man who is interested in nature! Douglas wrote that book "last chance to see" and in some point it becomes similar to this, so it is one of my favourite books and Watson is also one of that kind of human! And I don`t care what people think about him some things must be done and I think both of them choosen the right way!

[freejazzfree]

churchill is spot on.and to all the churchill haters out there,working to discredit him based on his 'fraudlent' native status.so he may have been told lies by his family . what have YOU done for the indigenous population here? ward has devoted his life and work towards championing their culture and rights.. his work and intention is a clear declaration of his purpose and pardons any misunderstanding of his own heritage. anyone that speaks against it is superficial

[posimosh]

This guy is now spouting BS with circular sources about what he calls "Global Warming" (and scientists call climate change). Its also funny that he bitches about the media, the media he somehow gets on even though he has been thoroughly debunked. I guess any prostitute can get on tv if they try hard enough, but it helps when many of your views align with large companies like the ones that own tv stations. Ward is correct, Paul is at least misleading and probably outright lying.

[kevinmoore001]

I agree with the woman at the end, and In my own words, Internal argument only helps your opponents to divide and conquer.

On the subject of the speeches, as I pointed out when I shared this on my Facebook wall,, "Paul is one hell of a speaker and delivers a powerful message in terms that anyone can understand"

As for Ward, He needs to learn the part of the English language that speaks to everyone, not just to the folks whom are impressed by his command for legal rhetoric.

[dougcapehart]

Fuck any whale killer. Save your prayers of respect for the animals you kill, they don't need them.

[lafontaine13]

one ego deserves another....that being said i would take watson over churchill. his uniform is a pathetic joke.

[TheBerserker50]

@lafontaine13 I did not see one... a uniform that is. I must have been busy learning

[lafontaine13]

@TheBerserker50 doubtful, based on the evidence you have presented.

[Stopthegreed]

Paul Watsons Fucking Amazing. I watched the Makah hunt. What a fucking Disgrace. A "traditional" hunt (yer rite) they couldnt paddle their canoe as they were too unfit and couldnt get anywhere near any Whales. They used a spotter plane. They then used a power boat to tow the canoe around LOL Then when they finally harpooned a Whale they used a rifle to try and kill it. It was the slowest most disturbing kill i have ever seen. Then the Whale sunk and they used divers to retrieve it.

[Stopthegreed]

@Stopthegreed If thats not bad enough they then were so lazy they had the coast guard tow the Whale in. Then were filmed doing back flips off the Whale showing absolutely No respect for that Whale. It was a complete Joke. Not at all traditional and with No respect. The Makah is a bloody disgrace and this clown sticks up for the Makah. Sickening to listen too.

[lion3p0]

@Stopthegreed spoken like a true bigot there, go back to europe and take ur hippies with you asshole

[lion3p0]

@Stopthegreed spoken like a true racist hypocrite

[Stopthegreed]

@lion3p0 I guess someone who has Maori blood and whos married to a Jamaican could be a racist. But im Not. I have a total respect for mother Nature and a respect for all species on this planet and thats called being a hippie then i guess im a Hippie. But id rather be that than delusional with little to No respect like yourself. What the Makah did was i complete Disgrace. Not one person i know agreed with it. You can spin it anyway you want but the Makah have no respect for this planet.

[Stopthegreed]

@lion3p0 Its funny if a group of people/tribe does something truly stupid and people make comment on it they get called Racist. Its totally ignorance. Pulling the race card is not only stupid but childish. Got nothing intelligent to say... just pull the racist comment. What a joke

[BobbyX420]

Yes Ward is a fraud in many ways. Forget Ward and remember that the WK '73 vets paul names as being able to collaborate his story have all denied knowing paul and state his story is a sham.

[ArtySmARTy100]

@BobbyX420 Paul Watson is a fucking joke

[TheBerserker50]

@ArtySmARTy100 people like you deserve less than nothing...

[PropagandaBuster]

I never thought I would ever write this: "Thank you Ward Churchill."

[Gajagenz]

The most hilarious thing about this whole exchange i that CHUrCHILL IS NOT INDIAN!!

[otacon451]

@Gajagenz do you think he helps native americans?

[Gajagenz]

The most hilarious thing about this whole exchange i that CHRUCHILL IS NOT INDIAN!!

[Gajagenz]

Amazing spiel unfortunately Ward Churchill a fraud is calling out a fraud? Churchill is no more I ndian that Mr. Watson.

[sarcee1960]

What the fuck is up with all the static?

[bnsaints]

He's an asshole, terrorist who should be in JAIL.

[harbinger79]

Pretty sad, all the sniping in these comments. It's the achilles heel of the movement. Everybody's so busy blowing up differences of opinion into battle lines between each other, before considering in how many ways we're allies. That's not kumbaya sentiment, but I think a little perspective couldn't hurt.

[emilpunga97]

Ward Churchill can suck my dick....fucking hate that bastard. Can't even speak.

[assfuckt]

@emilpunga97

I'm sure you would enjoy getting your dick sucked by Ward Churchill, almost nearly as much as I would enjoy being assfucked by him too.

[lion3p0]

watson is an arrogent lying smug idiotic racist and i hope the japanese either harpoon his fat ass or ram their boat hard enough to send him into the ice

[Abr022575]

if it's between me and a gorilla's life, sorry Koko, it was nice signing with you...

[Schtuppit]

Is Watson doing stand-up comedy?

[ginko27]

They are both HACKS and jokes!

[Marxistrebel88]

Go Ward! That was one of the greatest ass-whuppings in a debate Iv'e ever seen.

[MaryKohler]

Ward Churchhill is a joke. Paul Watson...awesome!!

[MaryKohler]

Paul Watson is awesome....Ward Churchhill is a fraud.

[Konform2zoidberg]

Just to clarify Churchill was not a plagiarist. A court ruled that his termination for plagiarism was wrongful and awarded him damages (1.00). He never stole but the courts did feel the need to acknowledge his lying about his Indian background.

But I'm sorry, the exposing of the CO univ systems hypocrisy on race, tokenism, and incompetence, is probably the most admirable thing about him.

I laughed my ass off when I found out about that story.

[SunspotCycle]

drnickyp wrote: "i have no idea who these two men are or what they stand for other than the superficial arguments they propose, but i think they are both dangerous narcissists"

You don't who they are or what they stand yet you are anxious to brand them with your own labels of contempt without understand what they are about ? That says more about you than them

[dognott]

Churchill is the most hypocritical piece of shit imaginable, having now been exposed as a liar, fraud, and plagiarist.

BIRDS OF A FEATHER.

[LiseGulli]

Paul Watson is my fucking hero!

[Ophidianrising]

Watson got owned by Ward. Enough said.

[eweezy528]

@Ophidianrising i think Watson gave an eloquent, thoughtful, humorous invocation of human emotion and willpower.

Ward is rude and brutish. and will die as such without polish

[karalee55]

@BenjaminLaird . you're an idiot . flat out fucking idiot. "oh yea i watch south park which has so much intelligence to it" like shut the fuck up . Paul Watson and his crew have saved SO many animals lives while you've sat on your ass and watched fucking south park. like really ? you're so cool. get a fucking life douchebag

[Konform2zoidberg]

@karalee55 yeah, that's what bugged me, the actual Paul Watson is not a big pussy like south park portrayed. He actually has gotten in trouble with the law before. There portrayal of him showed sloppy research or was deliberately dishonest to work with their story.

It doesn't even make sense because Trey Parker has criticized the environmental movement in the past for what he imagines is it's extremism, and now bitches that it's not radical enough?

[nurktwin1960]

Paul Watson = Bullshitting

Ward Churchill = Shitting Bull

[lion3p0]

stop comparing my kind to the fucking japs jesus, they hunt and waste for profit and greed, we hunt to survive

[APsupportsTerrorism]

Watson states that the media culture is the root of the problem.

But he is at the heart of that very problem.

Most of his other statements are founded in slippery slope fear-mongering entirely unbacked by science.

To 123decoeli, who said the crux of this is about respect for indigenous people, I'd say it's about respect for all people. Paul has no respect for anyone different than himself, not just indigenous peoples. And that is the real issue:

Environmentalism as an excuse for Misanthropes.

[123decoeli]

In my opinion, the crux of this argument is about respect for indigenous people FIRST, then we can realistically deal with environment. I actually agree with both speakers. At some point we have to realize we are all 'indigenous' to this planet. If we ruin it, we will extinguish all life. We are well on the way to doing just that.

[vanderbilt887]

One of the greatest fucking introductions I have ever heard.

[lion3p0]

watson was a fucking jag off for disrespecting frank clearwater, the real frank clearwater died fighting oppression and dies a warrior

[lion3p0]

watson is an incompetant media whore!!! lol thank u south park, i do give them props for protecting endangered species from illiegal whailing but news flash the makah nation has every right legally or otherwise to catch their whales its for acual survival not greedy capitalist bullshit

[RightieUntilDeath]

I do plenty, I hunt, and fish. I shot 3 birds yesterday, and feel pretty good about that. You need to get off the dope, it screws up your mind and makes you support scum like Watson.

[1giblesp]

Churchill is a prick.  He doesn't provide any counter argument, just insults Paul's appearance and makes up BS.

[4everyong2]

Okey; Ward Churchill, It sounds like you are saying that Paul Watson is a fake. UUUuuuuMMMMmmmm. Say what ever you want but Paul Watson and his band of marry men are the only ones making a difference in defence of whales. That said; I think it would be a good idea to give back all native land. I'm not sure where I would live, but the way we are living now is not realy living.

[4everyong2]

Okey; Ward Churchill, It sounds like you are saying that Paul Watson is a fake. UUUuuuuMMMMmmmm. Say what ever you want but Paul Watson and his band of marry men are the only ones making a difference in defence of whales.

[ImOfNope]

I'm not interested in if Ward is American Indian or not. I am only interested in what he has to say.

[RightieUntilDeath]

Ward Chruchill is no native american, just as Paul Watson is no human being

[1giblesp]

@RightieUntilDeath Why, because he saves whales while you do nothing?

[granite230]

I don't understand Churchill's point. I skipped half his story because I can only translate and understand half his story. I'm also quite ignorant of the subjects he's debating I guess, but I think Watson is right if Churchill's point is that native indians are allowed to slaughter whales because of cultural inheritance. What, in plain English (or Dutch), is Churchill's point against Watson? Anyone?

[skanky87]

It seems that Paul at some point bullshited about Wounded Knee but I feel like Churchill is trying to be more constructive than people understand. He is trying to keep Paul in check a bit so that he keeps his facts straight because as anyone knows in politics one minor mistake can destroy your credibility in turn destroying the movement.

[skanky87]

as a CU student it is a shame we lost Churchill as a faculty member he is one of the most intelligent people in the world. without doubt! he may not be patriotic but as a Native American why would he be.

[maureenOWW]

@skanky87 Firstly, he's not a native american. All that talk has been proven by DNA to be untrue. Secondly, where have you been for the past 20 years? Seven cases of professional misconduct regarding research, artwork copied from other people, his ignorance of law and basic logic, his complete lack of original historical research (all he does is quote other historians work, he does none of his own), the list goes on and on. There is no other 'historian' who is in greater academic disrepute. Ok?

[alanbstard4]

look at the stupid badges on th jumper. Man is a fuckwit

[dragonaudio3]

What a ashame, I know the one guy is out on a ship fighting to save whales. Principles before personallities, I could care less about Paul's past.

[SecondaryChannel]

A difficult discussion,

both men make good points,

but Paul Watson's condemnation of the entire human species is plain stupid.

only in the last 3% of their existence, have humans managed to deviate from living in equilibrium with their natural surroundings.

The issue is not humans, its the programmer, what he programs, and his ability to program.

[SecondaryChannel]

@SecondaryChannel (continued)

Paul Watson could have understood that it is pointless to rely on international law, when these pseudo universal laws are the problem themselves. You cannot physically mend a law that will work across hundreds of thousands of climates, so it is idiotic, in its dogma, to use these laws as ethical support.

Humans are part of the environment, if you want to save the environment, you must consult those who have saved it for the past millions of years.

[SecondaryChannel]

@SecondaryChannel continued (#3)

And as to how to differentiate the cultural heritage of nation-states vs. aboriginal communities, if that cultural heritage dictates that man owns the world, or if it necessitates a rigid power hierarchy, their demands are meaningless; since the true interest of the inhabitants of the land are in disregard.

[vanderley3]

The girl in the last minute of the video gave the best comment to sum up the entire debate.

[THEINSIDERAUS]

arrogant pompous bastard

[THEINSIDERAUS]

rot in hell you fat lying arrogant bastard

[THEINSIDERAUS]

@THEINSIDERAUS ...arrogant pompous con artist bastard....narcisstistic sicko...get your donations while you can watson you will be in jail soon ..

[devno9904]

Paul Watson is the Al Sharpton of the environmental movement

[NRen2k5]

@devno9904 Thanks, that actually elicited a chuckle. Yeah Watson is definitely a douche.

[drnickyp]

i have no idea who these two men are or what they stand for other than the superficial arguments they propose, but i think they are both dangerous narcissists and should be the last people to be given a public forum of any kind. how very self-absorbed of them both.

[Eatmybologna]

@drnickyp Are you an idiot?

[Frigate356]

re: opening speech by PW. Whatever you think of Watson, you have to admire his audicity and that he completely does not have to answer to anyone - only his own conscience. Come on! How many of you whinging internet pussies would talk with such complete candor in a real life public forum? (not including those who have nothing to lose!) Our twisted society would publicly and/or socially dismember and destroy any other public figure for slipping out a few words of what they think!

[MickMaynerberry]

Moonbat vs. Batshit.  Biggest ego wins.

[BenjaminLaird]

churchill absolutely pwns paul watson here.

[BenjaminLaird]

this dude paul watson is just on the surface of things, just yaking about the cosmetic problems (media is evil etc.)

churchill is speaking a higher truth.

paul watson is a douchebag, didn't you see the southpark episode prove how ineffective he is with his stupid anti-whaling show on discovery channel?

[treefarm79]

Wovokanarchy you're an idiot and no legitimate anarchist in the slightest..

[wovokanarchy]

So I would be a real 'anarchist' if I just believed in Ward "grey owl' Churchill's lies and falsehoods?

[wovokanarchy]

Ward Churchill a total fake Indian who can't prove any Indigenous relatives in his family lineage or on any First Nation Reservation anywhere.

[ravenhawk82]

I've been hearing about this controversy for so long I can't even remember. So I looked forward to finally seeing the video. And wow, I came across with a completely different perspective than I had anticipated.

I think Churchill came across as a total ass. Using the stage not to support the environment or the rights of animals, but to attack an activist. Gross. DEFENDING the killing of whales. Gross. Surprisingly, Watson came across very well, and Churchill is an ass.