Final Match @ MSL Group F Set 5

[beefymcmanst1c]

that voice.....makes it really hard to masturbate while watching this

[nubanimator]

Klazart Words Per Minute over 9000

[TheDean2000]

FTW!

[gavnastyyy]

guards get SHIT ON by science vessels.

[DanBarzhard]

Weren't the lurkers all stacked?

[Chrijz]

Thanks. Klazart was a bit rude, rubbing it in that Rise was wrong that FBH would win..

Jaedongs scourge-micro sucked.

[Chrijz]

and I agree with Rise, Jaedong expanded too slow.

[tgdwarf]

thats called being good friends :D you rub each others noses in the mistakes you make, because its all good fun :)

[Chrijz]

Okey, I didn't think they were friends :)

[kalorathekau]

What I was surprised wasn't mentioned is that even though Jaedong was up on expansions, the drone saturation in ALL of his bases really wasn't that high at all. I think that's why his production was relatively meagre and inadequate to stop that deadly Terran infantry ball. :(

[123bonana]

nice use of words:)

[killerkidyoyoyo]

omg jaedong soo cute xD

[GodoftheChimps]

Mm.. they are good, but I'm not that impressed.. Wasn't Godlike or anything.. Just my opinion..

[kylglly]

flash just has amazing macro - that was f ing amazing he had numerous SVs and like 6 control groups of mms in no time

[snapple1337]

I think the guardians could have worked if he would have kept them back more, so that way the science vessels would have to come in away from the support of the maries to irradiate for scouage.

[TakedaKenshi]

Turd Hatchery.

[Lorn4815162342]

That was very high quality micro in this game.

[mognite]

Damn it Jaedong, should have expanded more instead of going for guardians...

[kylglly]

mm > mass expo

he was right in going for hive tech but instead of sticking to the standard defilers he branched off into the little used (and for good reason) guard tech. guards are good when the opponent DOESNT have like f ing 70 marines lol

[vanillacrem3]

SK Terran > Guardians. I have no idea what Jaedong was thinking there.

[AlexanderSung]

that fob commentator is mad annoying. his voice.

[SupaPoopaScoopa]

ye I agree,it's also cuase he shouts other commentator is trying to talk but can't.

[SupaPoopaScoopa]

Jesus that 2nd commentator talks fast. abit of a speed increase at:

1:51 "that overlord over there" that made me laugh.

abit to fast speaking for me.

[bullbunnies]

i don't get it either, with the science vessels out gaurdians were really vulnerable

maybe he wanted to try something that would throw flash off gaurd

[wmhunter]

14:40. Listen to the Lurkers, there are three of them stacked.

[6sidewinder]

yeah. and the korean commentator clicked on them to show the different health levels and kill counts.

[Rulerfenrir]

yeah. stacked lurkers own. marines get melted instantly.

[JAJAJAGUY]

also, +1 air attack was a mistake since he should have (as is obvious in hidnsight) gone for ground late game instead of guardians.

[PhilippeMusique]

diggity scrweing the last attack...

[GaylordSC]

c'mon guys there's 4 of you.

flash built all those turrets because jaedong got +1 attack for his mutas, which is also why he had to go guardians.

[JAJAJAGUY]

no he didnt have to go guardians he could have stuck w/ lurkers and moved to hive tech. the guardians sucked it up!

[Rakanishu2]

I think in the past 5 ZvTs I've watched where the zerg has gone Greater Spire, the zerg has lost.

I don't know why they do it, when a good hive tech works just fine, especially when you're Jeadong and you can work in some leet queen pwnage.

[RealmEternal]

Greater Spire/Guardian wasn't a snap decision by Jaedong, it was his strategy all along. That's why he invested in the four sunkens at his front door.

[ToiletsRuleAll]

ya lol flash wins

[kay486]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo­oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I feel so sad for jeading, he is my favourite player.... D= )=

[Herms123]

klaz is my fav commentator

[Delta4ms]

I like my Klaz loud and fast.

[Saritenite]

Jaedong =( jeeeezzz, bad decisions.

Good play by both though.

Zerg Fighting!

[Pearljamkicksass]

why did he take 6 oclock and put key tech buildings in with it? that was dumb

[utubeaddict12334]

lecaf's coach should just prohibit jaedong from using guardians

[kryos12]

too sad for Jaedong...

[WillProtoss]

For instance, Luxury knew that Bisu used to fast expand with forge and cannons, and he just used fast zergings to completely counter and destroy Bisu build. Bisu..was just unable to deal with this kind of stra, and lost..

[WillProtoss]

Another point it that, when a player becomes a recognized great player, many other players will try to research his build, his pattern of playing, his habit of playing and try to find out some loopholes to beat him. Therefore, the pressure of being a great player is very intense. Other players will just invent a lot of counter-stra to beat his build.

[WillProtoss]

It is so sad to see that Bisu just cannot adopt and react properly to the new stra which counters the Bisu build, and still believe in his corsair, which does not more help............though, corsair is the symbol of his rise......but it doesn't mean that he must have this symbol to continue his dominance!!

[carpediemgrc]

do you even watch sc?

- bisu used cors/dt vs savior.

- lately bisu had been mostly using the latest trend, cors/reav vs zergs.

- bisu still rules.

players stop being dominant because they grow older, and lose interest in training.

[jjay75]

actually the trend these days PvZ for most toss is to go speedzeal archon timing push.

[WillProtoss]

For Example, Bisu figured out a new build of corsair and dark temper to beat Saviour, and got his MSL Champ, starting a period of dominance in Protoss-Zerg Vesus Matches. However, Bisu, recognized as a great player, began to stick to a pattern of playing, and started to lose his creativity, flexibility and adoptability. After a certain period of dominance, Bisu just cannot adopt to new situation when other players come up with new stra to beat his build.

[WillProtoss]

Just come up with some ideas about why the top players always slump after a certain period of reaching and maintaining their pinnacle.

The rise of a new player is basically the road of beating another great player. When a player is still not known, the player's mission is simply to figure out how to beat the great players at that time to make himself famous. The new player still remains his flexibility, his creativity and his adoptability.

[doe3879]

Jaedong T_T

one wrong move

[xantares13]

WHAT THE HELL JAEDONG f---ing guardians again

Every time he goes for them he loses

[StarCraftAccount]

why didn't jaedong go queens?

[Adam67890]

Ah man, I was hopin' to see these two laughin' before the game. Assumingly makin' fun of themselves for both having been beatin' by Hwasin. However, I suppose that should be expected since FBH has more of a sense of humor than Flash & Jaedong combined. =/

[althebaker43]

fuck yeah klazart

[KermitLeFrog]

Starting picture is a huge spoiler^^, having only 1 zerg in the group.

[Acunga]

stop with this gg if 1-rst sience vessel goes down.Not that big deal.

[xxURUHAxx]

damn why hwasin...

[Scr3amingN1nja47]

Klaz/Diggity combo is so great

[shoutenry]

lol I know

Passion/Patience

and both are Doktors XD (well, I know diggity is something CLOSE to a doktor I know he said something about radiology in one of his videos)

[PwnNubtarzz]

wow look at this group and then the winners. crazy

[ScissorsSC]

Flash throws his proleague games for this. Atleast that's my opinion :P

[k4y0h]

FIRST@@@@@

[pooponastick4563412]

great commentarys guys freakin awsome set

[VacuousTerminus]

The thing with the guardians is I imagine he didn't want to use them defensively, but he got put on the backfoot. and what revealed the guardian tech to Flash was when Jaedong didn't manage to kill off Flash's first SV. I think that is a solid indicator of either Z is going to build more muta, or morph to guards. He's certainly not getting more lurkers off 3 bases with that. So it was just a perfect timing attack by Flash to counter guards. Jaedong might have just been impatient for victory. GG.

[pianomikey0]

I'm interested to see how Jaedong does after FBH ground on him for 15 extra minutes of grief. This is boy/man separation time, the money round.

[MidsummerNightScream]

jaedong has a nice hair cut :)

[sh02hp0869]

JD had very few deones at hes 2 and 3 exp so he wasent really not all that ahead eco and why then go for Gurdians just dont make any sense.

[pianomikey0]

I think it's because guards out-range turrets, so he was looking to set up a long-term base siege and hold him @ two bases. Jaedong was uncharacteristically slow to attack this game though :/

Then again, Flash is just fucking scary. He's so methodical, nothing fazes him. Wow.

[goa103]

About Jaedong's strategy. First I think expanding to 6'o clock was too risky. Second he should have expanded anti-clockwise while harrassing with his Mutas even if Flash's bases were well protected. Third he shouldn't have built so many Sunkens into his 1st expansion. He should have kept a few for his 2nd one.

Anyway his big mistake was to switch from Lurkers to Guardians. It's just suicide against M&M (He's nuts ? :P) with Vessels. I really wonder what happened to his Cerebrate :?

[lowfatfishsticks]

the lurkers are probably stacked.

[goa103]

You're right we can see they're stacked at 15:05. One dies of Irradiation and there's an other right underneath.

I wonder if stacked Lurkers get affected if one gets irradiated. I think so.

[lowfatfishsticks]

ya. i commented before i saw that. i was gonna recomment and say nvm but i didnt want to spam or anything. .

[pianomikey0]

I thought lurker stack was fixed in a patch, 1.15 iirc, but apparently not.

Pros always find a way around :)

[XxSconeManxX]

Klazart really needs to turn his fucking mic down, my ears bleed every time he talks.

[Alexsteen]

Guardians? Jaedong? GUARDIANS? AGainst a vessel cloud D:?

[sporeandbryan]

Ok zergs have map control, fast mutas (stacked), burrowing luckers, faster lings, more expansions, yet you guys complain? Gj by Flash!!

[RMZ1989]

And still all that dies to stimmed Marines like no tomorrow -.-

[Kamikazi101]

I don't think the Guardians were a good idea, but I think after playing such a long match against FBH, JD was looking to end the game relatively early. I don't think he wanted another game to reach the 25-30 minute mark. Queen support might have helped, possibly being able to ensnare everything so that he quite snipe some vessels with scourge, and that might have made the guardians more effective against the M&M.

[goa103]

Good analysis. Jeadong's mistake was to morph his Mutas to Guardians without backing them up with Queens and Scourges. It's specially stupid against so many Science Vessels.

[saintdracula]

the winner is amazing

[MassMania1]

The difference in microphone volume between the two commentators is really annoying. The Scottish fast-talker is waaaay to loud :(

[boxcuttersc]

LOL scottish fast-talker

i chuckled klazart :p

[jacobjulin]

He's Irish you bucket of failure.

[goa103]

I agree but please don't be so rude. So it would be great if you guys could try to record your voice at the same audio level. I also propose to launch a donation campaign to buy a new microphone to Klazart :D

Micro or macrophone ? I don't know anymore considering the number of matches I have seen :lol:

[carpediemgrc]

isn't klaz irish?

[elroi92]

Klaz is from Valhalla

[Saritenite]

You are absolutely correct

[orochimaruisugly]

He's brown.

[bsquire1]

yep.

[TipZfox]

what were you hoping for? battlecruisers and ghosts with nukes?

[Virility]

Terran owns Zerg these days. He's right that it is kinda dull. M&Ms + Vessels vs. Lings, Muta, Lurker, Guardian, Scourge.

Terran needs 2 unit types. Infantry and Vessels. It's a bit lame.

More than that though... Zerg needs to expand like crazy and Terran can generally get away with 1 expansion and steamroll (as we see here).

Until someone comes up with a new strat M&M with Vessels is just not that exciting.

[Jdog7117]

Don't talk about things you don't know. Its more standard these days for terran to go mech vs. zerg than M and M.

[Virility]

lol... please.

Flavour of the month.

Infantry has always been the standard. People dabbled in mech YEARS ago and it's not as good.

"things you don't know".... lol. I've played SC since release.

Unless you started when you were 9 (doubtful) you haven't played as long as I.

[megadethqc]

How 'bout mech, they all go for it these day. I find more original a T that goes M&M and win than a T that goes Mech and fails.

[Virility]

Mech isn't new. It's an old strat that's become popular again.

It was proven less effective back then, it'll be proven so again.

[megadethqc]

Its popularity is new.

[mebe]

its the point that terran get the option to fuck up the mu build and succeed whereas zerg have very little flexibility from the standard builds.

and ps mech is proving to be much more successful vs zerg than toss atm and most games that zerg win vs mech is due to early econ harass, however with practice, terrans will be able to be more and more secure early game and end up dominating mid game.

pss youd get it more if you played zvt mech which I'm not sure if you do or not.

[elroi92]

I think Virility has a point here. Besides, it's the strange maps atm that is the reason for the current mech-builds.

[jackal327]

great game by flash, the terminator is so good...

[Tillysouth]

I was amazed with the amounts of turrets flash placed. He played really safe with his medicsmarines. He had so many in the last skirmish.

Jaedong was planning this since the beginning cuz he got his 3rd gas so early and flash saw it coming by miles.

Flash played patiently and irriadated the guardians.

I hoped for a more standard game but its gg nevertheless.

[divine0g0d]

flash never laugh man he's such a meanie

[Cheepn1s]

Great sets and great commentaries.

They both seemed like not very motivated to drop one another from the league. They're buddies after all, right?

[sc2gg4ever]

Yeah, at least this one went right, great play by the winner although i feel bad for the looser aswell

[dtandersen]

I'm rooting for Hwasin!

[woogynie]

+++SPOILERS+++

i think jaedong was planning on going for gaurdians from the start which is why he was so hesitant with his muta harrass which turned out to be a mistake.

you could tell his decision making was slightly off today first with the late sunkens in G1 and here with the tech switches.

Oh well..gj to Hwasin and Flash

[RavelKhay]

NICE commentary, you guys should really commentate together a lot more often!

[DonPisot]

Haha pure entertainment !

[fozzster22]

jaedong and flash are close friends. look at their faces at the end of the game, flash isnt proud of his win.

[elroi92]

in interviews they both have said that they consider the other one their most important opponent, but that the other's skill level is much higher. That's gm sc.

[GameBoiye]

NO!!!! Now I have to go to sleep crying. Not like I hate the guy who won, but I definitely wanted the guy who lost to win.

[GameBoiye]

OMG Thank you!! I was staying up hoping you'd post this. Totally awesome, watching it now, man I can't wait,will flash get revenge!!