Kids don't read this much into films, that's precisely the problem. Ideas are planted into their subconscious minds and affecting their lives. They don't have to be told in order to be interpreted.
I can vie for most of the movies on their racism/Sexism but I honestly can't vie for Lion King on the racism/sexim issue, all of the good characters Mufasa, Nala, and Simba(regardless of being voiced by a white person) were still Black-African Characters in their settings, and rights as Characters. The Hyena's "urban" speech is just reminisent of kids playing around, or adults behaving as kids.
@XxxXdeidara69XxxX -- Meh. Knowing Disney, they would make the black guy in Tarzan rather like Steppin Fetchit. So yeah, they'd have a right to bitch about it.
I always thought that "Tarzan" (the disney version) took place on a deserted island, thus why we never saw any natives and why it was only populated by gorillas and stuff. Of course I had no ideas when I was a child that gorillas don't live on islands, so...yea.
@qwertyuioplkjhgfd864 No it's not the parts about women trying to tame a beast and thinking if they just stick with these bad guys they can change em girls learn that at a very early age and Disney is one of the reasons why.
Miss Peralta has clearly never sen the Three Caballeros. And I hope they know Louis Prima's band inspired The Jungle Book's Monkeys. And look up the brouhaha Disney stirred up because Disney had the audacity to originally have Tiana in Princess and the Frog a chambermaid named Maddie. And when was a kid, if I yelled about how black kids sounded like hyenas, my mom would've quickly corrected this behavior and tell me to never say that again. Why was the woman so disturbed? What am I missing?
maybe the hyenas sounded like minority people because they had Whoopi Goldberg, a black woman, and Cheech Marin, a hispanic man, do the voices. that could explain it.
@NegativeOutlook4 -- Uh. Yeah. Now ask yourself the rather obvious follow-up: in a world full of voice actors, why cast a black woman and a hispanic man in those roles?Why not, say, people with Texas and Kansas vocal patterns and accents, which is to say, vocal patterns that are distinctly white and middle American?
Show of hands, who watched Beauty and the Beast and thought the beast was abusive? Most kids watch Disney movies and only see the magic and wonder in it. If you sit a kid down and tell them this is racist or sexist or whatever then they are going to take on the views you are forcing on them. Dont yell at somebody for something when you do the same things with your own ideas.
i hate when they mention the races being diff animals like come on "Why do the latinos always have to be dogs?" CAUSE THE WHOLE DAMN MOVIE IS ABOUT DOGS U IDIOT
I love how they assume everyone thinks that Belle is a strong character just because she reads a book. How about the fact that she is independent, intelligent, and doesnt fall for guys just because they are handsome. I also love that they said nothing about how Gaston treated her, showing that the "beautiful, strong man" was as abusive than the beast.
@claiternaiter446 They didn't talk about Gaston because she did prove that she didn't have to say yes to him just because he was popular. The reason they focused on the Beast is because Belle for some reason turned right back around and put up with the abuse he dished out. That tells girls conflicting messages: the good one where it's ok to be the bookworm and to not put up with sexual harrasment, and the bad one where it's your duty to "tame" a guy even though he's cruel to you.
Mensaje a Marisa Peralta: No ha jamás visto "Los Tres Caballeros" de Disney? Algunos de los personajes latinos son tipos de PAJAROS: Jose Carioca (un LORO brasileño) y Panchito Pistoles (un GALLO mexicano).
There are people who despite their anger issues are willing to change not just for others but also for themselves. When Belle sobs over not saying goodbye to Maurice, the beast expresses some SADNESS and GUILT through his eyes. If Belle knew she could change the beast, she would not sing "New and a bit alarming/Who'd have ever thought that this could be/True that he's no Prince Charming/But there's something in him that I simply didn't see."
@ofrah1 Continuation: When the beast gets furious at Belle entering the West Wing, Belle leaves the castle by saying "Promise or no promise, I can't stay here any longer" and the beast non-verbally expresses sadness that he scared her away. To "repay" for his bad behavior, he rescues her from the wolves despite the serious scratch and bite marks from them. The Harvard psychology professor should at least give the beast credit for attempting to act civilized.
idk the Indiana one in peter pan i can see because it was well i mean it was England back then...come on just like how they got bad mad at tim burton for alice becoming a explorer of china... but its historical so i mean duh
LOL, I said the same thing when I rewatched the Lion King that the Hyena's are made to represent black and hispanics but I was attacked glad to see I was not wrong,
I was once a fan of the Mickey Mouse Club. Now, I want nothing less than its complete dissolution. In this age of infinite wisdom and information this illusion has no place left. It hinders imagination. To dissolve this profit oriented market agenda, I shall devote my utmost time and sincerity. Change is necessary for humanity to evolve.
oh and might I add ABUSIVE? HARDLY. He never hit ANY of them, OR VERBALLY abused him. He huffed and puffed because he was a BRAT to begin with. That's how he ended up in that situation. This movie teaches PATIENCE and LOVE for a person as one is. She doesn't know that he's a human. PEOPLE WILL DESTROY ANYTHNG BEAUTIFUL.
@bedouinoutpost it's kind of unfortunate how the whole thing happened. you might say the enchantress (or the idea of her) is to be blamed - she caused the curse/prophecy of curing/correcting his abominable behavior through patience and gentleness. locking people up, verbally abusing (through bullying/shouting down) your prisoners are not things that need to be softly and slowly addressed. The fairy should've taught him there & then: human life is sacred. Instead, she chose ~protracted revenge~
@vidaliadear I can see where your coming from and I can accept THAT a little easier than outright saying that the film teaches little girls that "abuse is okay" and might I add that him PHYSICALLY being a beast was just a better story and better illustrated metaphor for what he was to begin with.
@bedouinoutpost I definitely, DEFINITELY agree with you on the beast making things more interesting and bringing out the metaphor. I mean, it was a hell of a punishment (seriously, the enchantress. Therapy. She needs it!). If he was human and mean the whole time, it'd be boring. Being fearsome actually added to it (I'm thinking of other transformations (Kuzco in TENG, Tiana in TP&TF)...they're funny, cute, but not fearsome. Yet, the filmmakers managed to do all 3 with Beast.
so...as a 5 year old, when I wached this for the first time...my interpretation that he was ANGRY was because he was ALONE and TORMENTED and UNLOVED...that he had a TEMPER out of frustration at himself and his situation...and that at the END..he was and DID sacrifice HIS OWN LIFE (as a human) so she could be with her father (Because oh I don't know, HE LOVED HER)... was wrong? LOL. get over yourselves. fantastic film.
Whoever said we should get rid of certain movies because they showed a touch of racism is really ignorant.... Are you the same kind of person who would want to censor books like Tom Sawyer? We can't ignore that racism did exist... and if it shows in our movies then we can learn from it. We know it's bad now.
This whole documentary is stupid and it's grasping for arguments.
DO NOT WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL GET ANNOYED WITH YOURSELF. YOU'LL START TO NOTICE STEREOTYPES OF GENDERS AND SHAMELESS ADVERTISING EVERYWHERE AND WILL THINK THAT IT IS DISNEY THAT HAS INFLUENCED YOUR WHOLE PERSONALITY AND BEHAVIOUR.
DISNEY IS A GOOD COMPANY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THEIR BAD BITS. I'M JUST ADVISING PEOPLE HERE.
This is ridiculous, people are reading way too much into these movies. When I was a kid, honestly I didn't even notice whether or not a cartoon character had a white voice or a black voice or latino or whatever!
On another note, stereotypes exist because they possess an amount of reality. Yes, black people do dance the jive or breakdance ect. That's not a bad stereotype!
The so called "grown-ups" I'm referring to are the ones in this documentary. Making arguments that are completely 2-dimensional and ignorants comments. They think they have the moral high ground over Disney when most of the stuff it's doing is innocent.
Most ppl who are into popular media are like sheep trying to tell them the truth...even about Disney is like trying to tell them personally their doing something wrong...ppl attach their identity to many things jobs, relationships, material objects and even media characters who are not even REAL...so trying to explain anything to these type of ppl you are wasting your breath...let them die dumb, docile and ignorantly bliss ;)
how do the orangutans sound like black people???? The one who did the voice for the lead orangutan was LOUIS PRIMA. AN ITALIAN SINGER. Whose songs all sounded like that. Explain that one to me.
"And the crows are break dancing and jiving..." like they're doing something wrong in the first place? Honestly, I'm totally gonna have a Disney Movie marathon once my semester is over with popcorn and all the trimmings just for old time's sake. And I may even go in chronological order!
STOP CRYING... YEA IT WAS IN 1941.. AND TIMES CHANGED BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT RACISM WAS WRONG.. SO WHY SHOULD DUMBO BE ANY BETTER... THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE...
OMG these people have nothing to do with their lives they want to criticize disney over feminism Disney is a beast ive been watchin all of disney's movies since i was a kid these are great stories not dealin with feminism or violence wtf see this is what im talkin bout the world wants to turn everything into sex yall a mess (smh) dont do disney
Beauty and the BEast: I disagree with the "message" that they THINK disney is giving out. The beast does yell at her and 'abuses' her. but it's not true that she just EXCUSES him and comes back to him! He really falls in love with a beautiful strong smart woman, belle. and she falls in love with him, because deep down he's a nice caring guy. *IF U WERE STUCK AS A BEAST, RUINED AND TO BE UGLY FOREVER, YOU WOULD BE A LITTLE ANGRY!!!!!!!! But he loves her, and he LETS HER RETURN TO HER FATHER!.
@Anghellik9 - The problem isn't that the dog is Latino. If the dog had a Mexican accent but acted like Francis the bulldog in the movie, there would be no issue here. Instead we're given an over-sexed, not particularly intelligent, feisty "little" dog, full of wonderful dance rhythm who demands that Francis "speak English" when the bulldog uses words over two syllables.
Oh yeah. And the little chihuahua also REALLY loves a nice ride.
@Anghellik9 That is exactly what I thought when I saw this. Also, in The Jungle Book, the orangutan was played by an Italian Vegas performer and his band. He was not intended to be black or a portrayal of a black person.
On top of that, the girl at 8:28 sort of makes a case against the racism argument, because she obviously didn't interpret the hyenas or the crows or the monkeys as black people, then.
And if it really was so racist, black actors wouldn't be willing to play the roles.
@Anghellik9 I pretty much agree. In the 1940s, racism was an accepted part of society and like it or not, African Americans were very much associated with the jazz scene because well....they kind of invented it. You can't judge past by the standards we have today. But you CAN use it as a learning tool.
@luckyjo03 That however is not the argument. The fact of the matter is from Dumbo to Jungle book they are still very dominant stories and figures in the Disney lore their movies are still sold and circulated. The idea is that now that we are able to recognize the inherent racism laden in our movies should we continue to show this to our children? Disney knew enough to get rid of Brer Rabbit and the Tar baby stories, why is Dumbo or Jungle Book still around?
@luckyjo03 Seriously? The problem isn't the fact African Americans are associated with Jazz in The Jungle Books. That's only the link creating the main problem. The problem is the apes are associated with Jazz, and through association, are symbolically linked to African Americans. I'm all about not judging the past, but when this is a movie still in mass circulation and popular consumption, it isn't just a historical document, but a significant meme of the present.
@Anghellik9 That doesn't make the blatant use of misogamy, racism and sexism ok does it. If the Jungle Book was a black kid then why is he more white than black? As for Tarzan, c'mon, it's a blatant stab saying that even white men who grew up alone in the jungle are better than the natives and the animals. Whites win, never forget Walt Disneys blatant links to the Nazi party.
@Anghellik9 I really don't think you understand what this is talking about. It's not the type of animal that should be offensive, it's the behavior that is portrayed. The Chihuahua isn't the problem, it's the laziness and car stealing.
Dumbo, I agree with you.
The junglebook the main character isn't black, he's from East India. The organ-u tang being represented as a black person wanting to be "normal" is the problem. And tarzan is all about the white man being dominant over everything.
@Anghellik9 the thing about the Chihuahuas is that there are barely any other Latino characters in Disney movies, most of them are the Chihuahuas. Plus, why do they have to talk in such a stereotypical manner? Besides that, I agree with you.
@Anghellik9 You probably shouldn't because your points have been god awful.
Your first point is absurd really? You can't see the harm of portraying and generalizing an entire race of people represented by a tiny domesticated house pet?
So your justification for racism is that if its old its irrelevant....Ooook.
I assume you've not read Jungle Book considering this is the same book that brought us "the white mans burden" How about the representation of King Louie?
@Anghellik9 Since you were able to call into question date and time period does the song that King Louie sings "I wanna be like you" not seem suspicious considering it was around the same time that black people were calling for desegregation and equal rights?
Should I even need to breakdown Tarzan for you? Honestly, you should seriously read some of these books and do more analytical research. Please at least read the original Jungle Book before you decide to post up a psuedo-intellectual respo
The Jungle Book was placed in India, making the boy (as I would assume) Indian. The end has a girl with the Tilaka (Hindu dot on the forehead.) If you make a video, please make sure you get your information right.
@Anghellik9 umm..jungle book is based in india buddy. Black? Maybe you need to do some research and maybe diversify your surroundings so you don't mistaken character identities. The characters are clearly indian. *smh*
@Anghellik9 Nah, Mowgli was Indian~ I think the link between origin and portrayal of chihuahuas just shows that the media has low standards. I mean, that's like saying all people who live in Ohio have been there since birth and will be there their entire lives. People move - there are black French people, white Africans, Indian Brits, and American Chinese people, y'know? @ this point, Disney's pretty much damned to get race wrong, either by ignorance or by playing it extra-safe and simple.
I'm really mad the girl @ 1:18 said "if my friend was getting yelled at and romantic"...jesus christ her relationship with men are gonna be fcked up when she gets older
@AfroPlato If they had waited a couple more years until PatF was produced, half this documentary would be irrelevant. The heroine and villain are both black, and the prince is a representation of the mysterious "other" that is, instead of being offensive and animalistic, charming and hot.
@AfroPlato Princess and the Frog, I loved that movie. And I think they gave Tiana a little something more than past Disney princesses, she has an actual career. :)
How can anyone watch this documentary and not come away from it understanding that Disney is perpetuating sexist and racist stereotypes? I was pretty shocked that that woman's son made the connection that black children were bad because of how the hyenas in The Lion King were portrayed. Disney needs to stop this BS, now.
@JaceyDemy The fact that there's a black princess changes nothing, especially since Disney portrayed her stereotypically. It's a small step, but they still have a long way to go.
Oh my freaking goodness. 1st of all why do they only view monkeys, orangutans etc as black stereotypes when they feel like it? Look at Tarzan! But since they are portrayed as sweet, caring and protective that wouldn't fit in the documentary. Also, the major antagonist in that film is a white male who ends up getting killed. And literally a week ago, I laughed so hard and long that my friends said I sounded like a hyena. I am an Italian female. These people clearly have nothing better to do.
It's kind of funny to me when they get mad at Disney for making the crows, monkeys, etc talk like that and say it's racist. It's only racist because they think that black people or mexicans or whatever act like that first place. I mean, why do they automatically refer to them as stereotyping a certain race by a certain character? It only means they believes that certain race acts that way themselves.
I guess I was a dumb kid I never associated the images they were talking about with black people. Is Disney all they let their children watch. I guess it was because I was allowed to watch a variety of films. For example Pollyanna and the long walk home. I also watched movies that were from MGM. I think the problem isn't disney the problem is that they need to expose their children to a variety of films that express positive messages and discuss the films with their children.
may I point out that the other stray dogs, steal as well! Not just the chi wa wa. Seriously these people are looking for flaws and grasping at straw. If you look at the story of olivery and Company it's very close to the story of Oliver Twist. Oh my Gosh first they don't like the origional Tarzaan and then they don't like it that they didn't have any blacks in the new version. I think they were trying to avoid the issue they had with the older version all together with the new one.
crows, primates, lions those are black people in disney world shucking and jiving. Jungle Book think about they are dancing to jazz music, jazz is a Afro american artform.
With Lion King, the lions are pretty white washed to white by default even with the swahili names I think James Earl Jones was one of the few black voice actors for the lions and hyennas whoopi goldberg and a clearly latino souding voice actor.
this is a joke of a documentary when it comes to the feminist views. those women need to stfu.. no young girl is sitting there thinking of things they are even talking about. get a liiiife
this documentary talks about how these movies reinforce negative gender roles and stereotypes and ideas about how women should look like...how is that a joke when it comes to feminist views?
@msvukey Actually many times they are. I'm not a feminist but I've seen the studies. Young girls absorb the stereotypes created by Disney. It is obvious you've never experienced a setting with young girls at play.
Tarzan was the son of a British Lord! WHY WOULD HE BE BLACK. Why would there be random humans in the freaking jungle!? Even if they were present, they would have no purpose and would not contribute to the STORY. In addition, if everything was perfectly PC then it would be so boring! You can't have a character WITHOUT CHARACTER. You need to have stereotypes in order to have character development and likable characters. This medium is an art form above all, not a child's educational vehicle.
@Ifthenelse2244 - When you care as little as Disney about the source material, you are certainly not obligated to make Tarzan the son of a British Lord. With Disney's perpetual willingness to throw entire stories out the window, Tarzan might just as easily been a Zulu prince who "tames the jungle" and then comes across European explorers.
Disney's writers feel change their source matieral all the time. Given that, the things they choose to keep have meaning.
@Ifthenelse2244 - From the documentary: "Disney animator Glen Keane was given the difficult task of coming up with a new take on Tarzan."
This "new take" was to make Tarzan a skateboarder. THAT doesn't fit the model of a British lord's son, either. Why no objections there? And again, if the task was to offer a "new take," why was the "new take" necessarily white?
Wow I would have to say these people in the documentary are more racist than anyone else, I never noticed any of there stereotypes (other than the Latino but chihuahua's breed is from Mexico). I never saw the apes as Black people in jungle book or never cared if there were any in Tarzan. Only if we can go back to a time when not everything has to be politically correct, a more innocent time. Oh well... :(
well they are right about that abuse one with the beuty and the beast. Sure, every movie has a message, but its kind of hard to identify it in that movie.
The orangutan in The Jungle Book was voiced by an Italian American, Louis Prima. Why would you automatically think that the monkeys are black people unless YOU are racist? They're saying the characters represent blacks because of the way they speak and because of their "jive" attitudes. Since when did a certain culture *own* a way of speaking, acting, etc.? Just like a black person who doesn't speak with an ebonic dialect isn't "trying to be white". White people don't *own* a way of speaking.
I find it unfairish that they pick out sexism and racism in the movies at times when that was okay, but then again they are still adding some of that to movies today.
"No no no, we arent like that anymore! We have changed! That was a long time ago when it was acceptable. We are TOTALLY changed today. HEEEEY! Lets make another princess movie!'
what amazes me is that there is ZERO mention of Song of the South, which was pulled out of circulation because it caused such an uproar...by the logic presented here, there are a lot more Disney films that should not be on sale because they are so offensive...with the lion king, they are leaving out the fact that the good king is voiced by a black actor was killed by the evil brother who was voiced by a white actor...if you're going to make an argument, make it across the board
@cazia9 Oh i'm sure every kid who was watching lion king was well aware of that fact. The point of this movie is to let you see from a broad perspective what Disney is lacking in their film, and how that can distort a child's perception of the real world.
my whole thing is this abuse she's finding. i'm just looking at the behaviour and what the children's reactions are. i think maybe part of it could be the time where these scripts where written. the society, the time, the people, the general enviorment...and media structure at THAT time. Is a mirror in their work. now that our SOCIETY and MEDIA has evovled.
you get parents, critisim. the blame game begins. which is good and bad. BUT at least we are thinking about these things. Cause its important. i think we need a disney movie which mirrors our society right now. im not talking about...princess frog...hannah montana....no....something that is orginal. then again everything has flaws. makes this all so interesting to read. thats my opinion. i respect all of yours
I'm sorry but I have to disagree, There is no such thing as a bad person in absolute terms. Only people scared by past experiences and I think that movie teaches that it is worthwhile to unlock that good peron that is trapped on the inside.
Okay. Re-read what I wrote. I already addressed that HIS STATEMENT standalone is iffy (NOT MY STATEMENT. My personal opinion is something else). I also said that you have to look at the bigger argument of how humans, and particular races are being anthromorphised via animals and in doing so, were perpetuating stereotype - that is the bigger argument here. You either accept that argument or not- but don't nit pick fine little grains of details or you miss the point all together. Aideu.
"kids in africa see it... and they see no africans.. .and they see gorillas as the ones they relate to" so this guy is basically saying africans are closer to gorillas than white people? id imagine that black kids would relate to tarzan, not the gorillas!?
as far as tito - how is he a stereotype? he's basically cheech marin... i mean, he's not a stereotype, he's a real person,,,!
i know, and that's pretty racist. why cant a black kid relate to a white character? why would a black kid relate to a gorilla?? i mean im sure you know a lot of white kids looked up to michael jordan. and im fairly sure a lot of black kids looked up to superman or whatever as well. the idea that you cant look up to a person because he's of another race is just so stupid...and the idea that black kids would relate to the gorillas is just plain racist.
@theZodiacDigital Oh I understand what you're saying now. That makes sense, however I think visually that's what the person was trying to say. Yes, you could look up to people no matter what race they are but i don't think that's what he meant, i think he was referring to being able to see someone that looks like you in the movie- and all things considered since it was supposed to take place in africa, and ... no africans? that is very iffy.
@theZodiacDigital The argument the person is making is NOT that "Africans" look up to gorillas instead of humans when there are black people lacking, but that those gorillas had traits they can identify as what thy, the viewers as blacks, might look like. the jiving, and the manner of speech- they see it as what black people do, so they identify with that, failing seeing actual black individuals. Basically the gorillas were anthropomorphized to resemble black people.
back that up with a quote. cause he never said or implied any of the words.
at any rate, no, thats a wrong idea. the apes did not have a "manner of speech" that was black. they were voiced by white people! like glenn close and rosie odonnell.
and the implication youre making is that black kids cant relate to a person who doesnt speak like black people do stereotypically. WHAT?? so black kids shouldnt look up to barack obama??
@theZodiacDigital I'm trying to explain his argument in other words, I am not saying he saying that that black kids LOOK UP TO gorillas. In fact it is not a matter of "looking up to anyone" but representation. It's just the absurdity of no black people presence in Africa in the movie. That's just his argument. A lot of these characters were voiced by white people, but there were still anthoropomorphised to resemble a race, like the Siamese cats were meant to resemble asians, etc etc.
@theZodiacDigital "The monkeys the orangutans. They're always ones that are sort of jive dancing the hip hop dancing or break dance, they have this slow slurred speech pattern."
"In jungle book, these orangutans and gorillas that sound like black people that want to be like black people, but can never be. the buffoon."
"They see a white man superior swinging from trees- and they see no Africans. And they see the gorillas as the ones they can relate to."
@theZodiacDigital Look at the overall argument of race being anthropomorphised. You're trying to narrow down just one thing, and by itself it sounds ridiculous, but when you take into consideration about ALL the other people talking about the anthropomorphisation of animals to resemble certain races and what kind of stereotypes do they reproduce and perpetuate - and what does it mean to children when they rarely see a black person in their movies (like when the lil girls say they haven't).
@theZodiacDigital Anyway it was nice to have this back and forth kind of debate, though I think you skewed my words to mean something I didn't mean. I for the most part agree with a lot of what everyone has said in the documentary, and I was merely trying to explain the arguments better. I do agree that the way he said the comment about gorillas was very iffy, because he didn't expand or they cut the clip and it left us with guesswork about interpreting what he said. Anyway, have a good day.
have you seen tarzan? the apes are not "break dancing" or have a "slow slurred speech pattern". that's the OTHER lady's point. that stuff is about JUNGLE BOOK. look at what the guy is saying about tarzan. the apes in tarzan talk like... glen close and rosie odonnel. they dont dance.
and i dont think its quite ridiculous there are no africans in the movie. you have to realize the setting is an unexplored jungle, not a village or city. the idea that no civilization is near is part of the setting
When the orangutang is singing in the jungle book its actually talking about trying to get blacks into American society, it was made in 1967 so there is still some racial tension in America.
I really think that these people are reading too much into this. I've watched most of these films countless times (especially as a child, with strong memories about my reactions) and I have never thought any of these things. Neither am I racist or prejudiced. Furthermore, most of the stereotypes and formulas that Disney uses have been used in Fairytales and children's stories for centuries, so why is Disney being attacked for using them? And beyond that, why is EVERYONE so focused on race?
Thing is, he did. That's how the story went, and that's how this movie did too.
"They'll abuse her and then apologize, cry, treat her like a queen so she'll come back, and then abuse her again.
Key difference here, is that they (Belle/Beast) had no relationship. She exchanged her life for her fathers alone, they eventually opened up to each other, and because they did, he let's her go.
What the woman at the beginning is talking about is the classic push-pull manuever used by abusive men on women. They'll abuse her and then apologize, cry, treat her like a queen so she'll come back, and then abuse her again. The woman, if able to see this pattern, will leave. If not, she'll stay, thinking she'll be able to "change" the man and make him better. Some women think it's their duty to change a man. We all know that that change, however, will never happen.
You have to take people as they are...This programming used by Disney is particularly dangerous and as we see results in that exact behaviour its programmed into people from childhood. Its messed up shit.
you say 'some women think its their duty to change a man' where does that thinking come from? maybe its the disney movies.. thats the whole point here. the messages are getting through to the kids and shaping their imagination in harmful ways
its hard to believe that at any point in the last 50 or 60 years someone thought that it was appropriate to have a character named Jim Crow be a representative black person in a movie
Ok...so I understand where everyone is coming from and I respect them all. But when you get mad that they put the black people in the films and get mad when they take them out, (Reference from Tarzan) what are they suppose to do? I guess the question that I am really asking, is how would YOU propose that they represent the African-American population equally and without someone being able to look deeper and find a little bit of racism that probably didn't even mean to be there?
Wow I don't like that his anaylsis of Tarzan is that... black people who better idenify with GORILLAS than with the human just because the human figure is white... that's rather offensive. Its interesting. I think their issues may be regional. Especially the hyena thing. Me being an African in Texas, I never heard people laugh or talk like the hyenas before so I would never associate it with what they are talking about. I never saw them as any race I saw them as silly hyenas.
Wow I never saw Jungle book that way... I mean I just thought... they were animals. Gorrilas are smart and they want to evolve to be powerful like the man. The boy is Indian, not white. I didn't see it as black vs. white...
First off, the whole movie Belle NEVER puts up with his attitude! I love how they try to say women always need to be saved, yet BELLE saves the Beast, and Mulan saves Shang (and China). And Disney isnt racist...How many of these "experts" ever played cowboys and indians when they were kids? How many supported segregation?! Yet they knock Disney for "corrupting" the kids? Also, with the "animals"...what if it were ppl instead of animals? would they still say Disney was being racist!?
There are complaints in the documentary about there not being native Africans in Tarzan. But if there HAD been any, you just know that there'd be an insane brouhaha over how racist and un-PC their inclusion was.
This is sensationalized. I agree with many of the points, but you cannot ignore aspects that do not support your opinion or you look like an extremist and undermine your argument. Belle leaves the castle after the Beast yells at her for going into the forbidden room and discovering his rose. but she's attacked by wolves and the Beast brings her back to the castle to save her, where SHE heals HIM. Then he gives her his library, which is when she starts to give a damn about him.
Belle NEVER tolerates his cruelty. She refuses to eat with him, and goes where he specifically tells her not to go. In doing so, she discovers that he has a vulnerable and intelligent side (which he shows to the other inhabitants, and is evidenced by his library, and the fact that he rescued Belle, gave her his magic mirror, and chose to let her leave). People have hated him for his appearance, & he expects the same from Belle. She only comes back in order to SAVE HIM when gaston forms a mob.
Thank you! She never excuses him. She's not staying there out of love, or out of hope that she can change him. She's staying there in her father's place as a prisoner.
Exactly, that kind of mentality can get you into serious trouble. "Oh my husband only got mad and hit me because I didn't do something right, but I'll be sweeter and nicer to him next time and maybe he will treat me nicer as well"... I've learned that being nice sometimes just doesn't pay off... why be nice to someone that treats you like dirt and doesn't respect you; you only condone their behaviour. Be nice to people. If they are not nice in return, don't envorce it by being even nicer...
i understand what your saying and agree completely. however she is not "living" with an abusive monster she is his prisoner. the truth is that he is true the king of his domain and he did show her kindness by not keeping her in the dungeon etc.
that is why i said she stood up for herself. she and her father were trespassing and by law could have been put to death. royalty had a lot of power and commoners did not. therefore she was brave.
From my own perspective this film is made for children, who do not have the critical thinking ability to understand that they were very different times. Even if explained, the subliminal message that girls/women do not have more power in such a situation, is a dangerous one.
Children learn from their environment, including their play, how the world is and how to relate to that. Films can play a significant part in their learning process.
I really enjoyed the native peoples in the Tarzan TV series. They were really cool.
ourananastasia 18 hours ago
Kids don't read this much into films, that's precisely the problem. Ideas are planted into their subconscious minds and affecting their lives. They don't have to be told in order to be interpreted.
fhookheongLee 2 days ago
kids don't read this much into films, the only reason why they would know these things is because people tell them.
viccid112 1 week ago
5:51, Louis Prima voices King Louie, he's a SICILIAN jazz singer. Find something else to do with your lives you fucks.
emdera121212 1 week ago
I can vie for most of the movies on their racism/Sexism but I honestly can't vie for Lion King on the racism/sexim issue, all of the good characters Mufasa, Nala, and Simba(regardless of being voiced by a white person) were still Black-African Characters in their settings, and rights as Characters. The Hyena's "urban" speech is just reminisent of kids playing around, or adults behaving as kids.
TheGreenIsGold 1 week ago
I'm pretty sure that if they put a black person in the Disney remake of Tarzan then they would bitch about it, too.
XxxXdeidara69XxxX 1 month ago
@XxxXdeidara69XxxX -- Meh. Knowing Disney, they would make the black guy in Tarzan rather like Steppin Fetchit. So yeah, they'd have a right to bitch about it.
Sully64ify 1 month ago
I always thought that "Tarzan" (the disney version) took place on a deserted island, thus why we never saw any natives and why it was only populated by gorillas and stuff. Of course I had no ideas when I was a child that gorillas don't live on islands, so...yea.
xxxBakeneckoxxx 2 months ago
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xxxBakeneckoxxx 2 months ago
1:35 that disgusts me
iZephyros 2 months ago
Hmmm so that's why women stay with their wife beating husbands
Metticus 2 months ago
That part about the black men played orangutans in the jungle book was really insightful. Other than that, this film is such garbage.
qwertyuioplkjhgfd864 2 months ago
@qwertyuioplkjhgfd864 No it's not the parts about women trying to tame a beast and thinking if they just stick with these bad guys they can change em girls learn that at a very early age and Disney is one of the reasons why.
joshd9124 1 month ago
Miss Peralta has clearly never sen the Three Caballeros. And I hope they know Louis Prima's band inspired The Jungle Book's Monkeys. And look up the brouhaha Disney stirred up because Disney had the audacity to originally have Tiana in Princess and the Frog a chambermaid named Maddie. And when was a kid, if I yelled about how black kids sounded like hyenas, my mom would've quickly corrected this behavior and tell me to never say that again. Why was the woman so disturbed? What am I missing?
3brerfox 2 months ago
haha one of the Dumbo crows is actually named Jim Crow ;D hahahaha
redlola92 2 months ago
maybe the hyenas sounded like minority people because they had Whoopi Goldberg, a black woman, and Cheech Marin, a hispanic man, do the voices. that could explain it.
NegativeOutlook4 3 months ago
@NegativeOutlook4 -- Uh. Yeah. Now ask yourself the rather obvious follow-up: in a world full of voice actors, why cast a black woman and a hispanic man in those roles?Why not, say, people with Texas and Kansas vocal patterns and accents, which is to say, vocal patterns that are distinctly white and middle American?
Sully64ify 1 month ago
@Sully64ify uhh... line
NegativeOutlook4 1 month ago
@NegativeOutlook4 .....WHAT?!?
theshire2001 2 days ago
Show of hands, who watched Beauty and the Beast and thought the beast was abusive? Most kids watch Disney movies and only see the magic and wonder in it. If you sit a kid down and tell them this is racist or sexist or whatever then they are going to take on the views you are forcing on them. Dont yell at somebody for something when you do the same things with your own ideas.
hpfan518 3 months ago in playlist More videos from fromkhadija 4
and no one mentions that the bad guy is always white
timothy0412 3 months ago 5
@timothy0412 because it's understood that white people are the bad guys. look up U.S history
Metticus 2 months ago
i hate when they mention the races being diff animals like come on "Why do the latinos always have to be dogs?" CAUSE THE WHOLE DAMN MOVIE IS ABOUT DOGS U IDIOT
timothy0412 3 months ago 4
Walt Disney worshiped Satan
Tey908 3 months ago
Cobra Bubbles (Lilo and stich) was black and he was not a jazzy hipster
LowanOfTheNorth 4 months ago
I love how they assume everyone thinks that Belle is a strong character just because she reads a book. How about the fact that she is independent, intelligent, and doesnt fall for guys just because they are handsome. I also love that they said nothing about how Gaston treated her, showing that the "beautiful, strong man" was as abusive than the beast.
claiternaiter446 4 months ago
@claiternaiter446 They didn't talk about Gaston because she did prove that she didn't have to say yes to him just because he was popular. The reason they focused on the Beast is because Belle for some reason turned right back around and put up with the abuse he dished out. That tells girls conflicting messages: the good one where it's ok to be the bookworm and to not put up with sexual harrasment, and the bad one where it's your duty to "tame" a guy even though he's cruel to you.
Kyon96 4 months ago
Mensaje a Marisa Peralta: No ha jamás visto "Los Tres Caballeros" de Disney? Algunos de los personajes latinos son tipos de PAJAROS: Jose Carioca (un LORO brasileño) y Panchito Pistoles (un GALLO mexicano).
ofrah1 4 months ago
Dr. Gail Dines: Very astute commentary at 2:38-3:37!
ofrah1 4 months ago
There are people who despite their anger issues are willing to change not just for others but also for themselves. When Belle sobs over not saying goodbye to Maurice, the beast expresses some SADNESS and GUILT through his eyes. If Belle knew she could change the beast, she would not sing "New and a bit alarming/Who'd have ever thought that this could be/True that he's no Prince Charming/But there's something in him that I simply didn't see."
ofrah1 4 months ago
@ofrah1 Continuation: When the beast gets furious at Belle entering the West Wing, Belle leaves the castle by saying "Promise or no promise, I can't stay here any longer" and the beast non-verbally expresses sadness that he scared her away. To "repay" for his bad behavior, he rescues her from the wolves despite the serious scratch and bite marks from them. The Harvard psychology professor should at least give the beast credit for attempting to act civilized.
ofrah1 4 months ago
idk the Indiana one in peter pan i can see because it was well i mean it was England back then...come on just like how they got bad mad at tim burton for alice becoming a explorer of china... but its historical so i mean duh
narutolove12 5 months ago
That beast is beast. Gaston is tight. Tarzan is the man! And that white guy from Hunchie is cool too.
2583060 6 months ago
LOL, I said the same thing when I rewatched the Lion King that the Hyena's are made to represent black and hispanics but I was attacked glad to see I was not wrong,
jrpone 7 months ago
I was once a fan of the Mickey Mouse Club. Now, I want nothing less than its complete dissolution. In this age of infinite wisdom and information this illusion has no place left. It hinders imagination. To dissolve this profit oriented market agenda, I shall devote my utmost time and sincerity. Change is necessary for humanity to evolve.
shashankgogoi 7 months ago
oh and might I add ABUSIVE? HARDLY. He never hit ANY of them, OR VERBALLY abused him. He huffed and puffed because he was a BRAT to begin with. That's how he ended up in that situation. This movie teaches PATIENCE and LOVE for a person as one is. She doesn't know that he's a human. PEOPLE WILL DESTROY ANYTHNG BEAUTIFUL.
bedouinoutpost 7 months ago
@bedouinoutpost it's kind of unfortunate how the whole thing happened. you might say the enchantress (or the idea of her) is to be blamed - she caused the curse/prophecy of curing/correcting his abominable behavior through patience and gentleness. locking people up, verbally abusing (through bullying/shouting down) your prisoners are not things that need to be softly and slowly addressed. The fairy should've taught him there & then: human life is sacred. Instead, she chose ~protracted revenge~
vidaliadear 7 months ago
@vidaliadear I can see where your coming from and I can accept THAT a little easier than outright saying that the film teaches little girls that "abuse is okay" and might I add that him PHYSICALLY being a beast was just a better story and better illustrated metaphor for what he was to begin with.
bedouinoutpost 7 months ago
@bedouinoutpost I definitely, DEFINITELY agree with you on the beast making things more interesting and bringing out the metaphor. I mean, it was a hell of a punishment (seriously, the enchantress. Therapy. She needs it!). If he was human and mean the whole time, it'd be boring. Being fearsome actually added to it (I'm thinking of other transformations (Kuzco in TENG, Tiana in TP&TF)...they're funny, cute, but not fearsome. Yet, the filmmakers managed to do all 3 with Beast.
vidaliadear 7 months ago
so...as a 5 year old, when I wached this for the first time...my interpretation that he was ANGRY was because he was ALONE and TORMENTED and UNLOVED...that he had a TEMPER out of frustration at himself and his situation...and that at the END..he was and DID sacrifice HIS OWN LIFE (as a human) so she could be with her father (Because oh I don't know, HE LOVED HER)... was wrong? LOL. get over yourselves. fantastic film.
bedouinoutpost 7 months ago
Whoever said we should get rid of certain movies because they showed a touch of racism is really ignorant.... Are you the same kind of person who would want to censor books like Tom Sawyer? We can't ignore that racism did exist... and if it shows in our movies then we can learn from it. We know it's bad now.
This whole documentary is stupid and it's grasping for arguments.
Brandayyyyy 8 months ago
DO NOT WATCH THIS DOCUMENTARY. IF YOU DO, YOU WILL GET ANNOYED WITH YOURSELF. YOU'LL START TO NOTICE STEREOTYPES OF GENDERS AND SHAMELESS ADVERTISING EVERYWHERE AND WILL THINK THAT IT IS DISNEY THAT HAS INFLUENCED YOUR WHOLE PERSONALITY AND BEHAVIOUR.
DISNEY IS A GOOD COMPANY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THEIR BAD BITS. I'M JUST ADVISING PEOPLE HERE.
FloppyAndBoppy 8 months ago
this is what my essay for english is about TIME TO TAKE NOTES
martyxcallsiefer 9 months ago
Mufasa was also a black voice.
This is ridiculous, people are reading way too much into these movies. When I was a kid, honestly I didn't even notice whether or not a cartoon character had a white voice or a black voice or latino or whatever!
On another note, stereotypes exist because they possess an amount of reality. Yes, black people do dance the jive or breakdance ect. That's not a bad stereotype!
alphabettsoup 10 months ago
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If a actor of WHATEVER race, thought something was racist, they wouldn't have played it.
I really can't imagine a white Shenzi or a mexican shenzi.
QuestionRenee 10 months ago
If a actor of WHATEVER race, thought something was racist, they wouldn't have played it.
I really can't imagine a white Shenzi or a mexican shenzi.
QuestionRenee 10 months ago
Oh please, listening to these people who think they're "grown-ups" whining about the most trivial things. STFU
BTW, I haven't seen Oliver and Company but that chihuahua cracked me up BAD XD
UndeadTurk 11 months ago
@UndeadTurk
Who are you referring to when you say "grown-ups"?
ThisOneRocks 10 months ago
@ThisOneRocks
The so called "grown-ups" I'm referring to are the ones in this documentary. Making arguments that are completely 2-dimensional and ignorants comments. They think they have the moral high ground over Disney when most of the stuff it's doing is innocent.
UndeadTurk 10 months ago
@UndeadTurk Funny since they provided detailed evidence and research to back it up it seems more like your comment is ignorant and 2 dimensional.
TheLastGunfighter 9 months ago
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ShogunChe 11 months ago
i think all of these people are overlooking Disney way to much.
crkibby 11 months ago
Aw c'mon...black people are cool...and the hyenas/monkeys were obviously cool, suave fuckin cats...
drunkdonutboy 1 year ago
Jeez how sensitive are people. They have no black people because they think it doesn't matter which it doesn't
wiidude553 1 year ago
Most ppl who are into popular media are like sheep trying to tell them the truth...even about Disney is like trying to tell them personally their doing something wrong...ppl attach their identity to many things jobs, relationships, material objects and even media characters who are not even REAL...so trying to explain anything to these type of ppl you are wasting your breath...let them die dumb, docile and ignorantly bliss ;)
Amocee 1 year ago
@Amocee haha amen. I learned that the hard way. Fuck em.
TaurusType 10 months ago
how do the orangutans sound like black people???? The one who did the voice for the lead orangutan was LOUIS PRIMA. AN ITALIAN SINGER. Whose songs all sounded like that. Explain that one to me.
NegativeOutlook4 1 year ago
the tarzan part is ridiculous
dwizill 1 year ago
"And the crows are break dancing and jiving..." like they're doing something wrong in the first place? Honestly, I'm totally gonna have a Disney Movie marathon once my semester is over with popcorn and all the trimmings just for old time's sake. And I may even go in chronological order!
Bluepacific07 1 year ago
STOP CRYING... YEA IT WAS IN 1941.. AND TIMES CHANGED BECAUSE PEOPLE THOUGHT RACISM WAS WRONG.. SO WHY SHOULD DUMBO BE ANY BETTER... THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE...
mochajoe2 1 year ago
OMG these people have nothing to do with their lives they want to criticize disney over feminism Disney is a beast ive been watchin all of disney's movies since i was a kid these are great stories not dealin with feminism or violence wtf see this is what im talkin bout the world wants to turn everything into sex yall a mess (smh) dont do disney
willdakid01 1 year ago
Beauty and the BEast: I disagree with the "message" that they THINK disney is giving out. The beast does yell at her and 'abuses' her. but it's not true that she just EXCUSES him and comes back to him! He really falls in love with a beautiful strong smart woman, belle. and she falls in love with him, because deep down he's a nice caring guy. *IF U WERE STUCK AS A BEAST, RUINED AND TO BE UGLY FOREVER, YOU WOULD BE A LITTLE ANGRY!!!!!!!! But he loves her, and he LETS HER RETURN TO HER FATHER!.
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Anghellik9 1 year ago 10
@Anghellik9 - The problem isn't that the dog is Latino. If the dog had a Mexican accent but acted like Francis the bulldog in the movie, there would be no issue here. Instead we're given an over-sexed, not particularly intelligent, feisty "little" dog, full of wonderful dance rhythm who demands that Francis "speak English" when the bulldog uses words over two syllables.
Oh yeah. And the little chihuahua also REALLY loves a nice ride.
Not stereotypical at all. No, indeed not.
Sully64ify 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 Mogule "the black kid" was not black more Indian looking
Amocee 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 Indian. The British portrayed through the elephants and being imperialist and causing destruction wherever they go.
Knoss 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 your looking at the surface of all of this... missing the whole point -__-
thizz92 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 That is exactly what I thought when I saw this. Also, in The Jungle Book, the orangutan was played by an Italian Vegas performer and his band. He was not intended to be black or a portrayal of a black person.
On top of that, the girl at 8:28 sort of makes a case against the racism argument, because she obviously didn't interpret the hyenas or the crows or the monkeys as black people, then.
And if it really was so racist, black actors wouldn't be willing to play the roles.
stolentwinkie 11 months ago
@Anghellik9 I pretty much agree. In the 1940s, racism was an accepted part of society and like it or not, African Americans were very much associated with the jazz scene because well....they kind of invented it. You can't judge past by the standards we have today. But you CAN use it as a learning tool.
luckyjo03 10 months ago 8
@luckyjo03 That however is not the argument. The fact of the matter is from Dumbo to Jungle book they are still very dominant stories and figures in the Disney lore their movies are still sold and circulated. The idea is that now that we are able to recognize the inherent racism laden in our movies should we continue to show this to our children? Disney knew enough to get rid of Brer Rabbit and the Tar baby stories, why is Dumbo or Jungle Book still around?
TheLastGunfighter 9 months ago
@luckyjo03 Seriously? The problem isn't the fact African Americans are associated with Jazz in The Jungle Books. That's only the link creating the main problem. The problem is the apes are associated with Jazz, and through association, are symbolically linked to African Americans. I'm all about not judging the past, but when this is a movie still in mass circulation and popular consumption, it isn't just a historical document, but a significant meme of the present.
boarderx141 8 months ago
@Anghellik9 and you would epically fail.
CeeZee9264 10 months ago
@Anghellik9 That doesn't make the blatant use of misogamy, racism and sexism ok does it. If the Jungle Book was a black kid then why is he more white than black? As for Tarzan, c'mon, it's a blatant stab saying that even white men who grew up alone in the jungle are better than the natives and the animals. Whites win, never forget Walt Disneys blatant links to the Nazi party.
monkeyoffunk 10 months ago
@Anghellik9 I really don't think you understand what this is talking about. It's not the type of animal that should be offensive, it's the behavior that is portrayed. The Chihuahua isn't the problem, it's the laziness and car stealing.
Dumbo, I agree with you.
The junglebook the main character isn't black, he's from East India. The organ-u tang being represented as a black person wanting to be "normal" is the problem. And tarzan is all about the white man being dominant over everything.
jldkrank 9 months ago
@Anghellik9 The Lion King (1994), Tarzan (1999), what's your excuse for them?
And no, the kid from the jungle book is Indian, however the chimps from that film are obviously based on black people.
In the original Tarzan books and movies there were Africans.
I love disney movies but I can admit many of them are in fact racist, instead of making excuses for them.
And it's not that he's a Chihuahua, it's that this is Disney's only representation of latinos and that he's stealing a car.
AbsolutelyLoveNY 9 months ago
@AbsolutelyLoveNY The Lion King had no people in it, and Mufasa was voiced by James Earl Jones. Also, "The Princess and the Frog" (2009).
Anghellik9 9 months ago
@Anghellik9 What does that have to do with anything?
AbsolutelyLoveNY 9 months ago
@Anghellik9 the thing about the Chihuahuas is that there are barely any other Latino characters in Disney movies, most of them are the Chihuahuas. Plus, why do they have to talk in such a stereotypical manner? Besides that, I agree with you.
KeepYourMindOpen18 9 months ago
@Anghellik9 You probably shouldn't because your points have been god awful.
Your first point is absurd really? You can't see the harm of portraying and generalizing an entire race of people represented by a tiny domesticated house pet?
So your justification for racism is that if its old its irrelevant....Ooook.
I assume you've not read Jungle Book considering this is the same book that brought us "the white mans burden" How about the representation of King Louie?
TheLastGunfighter 9 months ago
@Anghellik9 Since you were able to call into question date and time period does the song that King Louie sings "I wanna be like you" not seem suspicious considering it was around the same time that black people were calling for desegregation and equal rights?
Should I even need to breakdown Tarzan for you? Honestly, you should seriously read some of these books and do more analytical research. Please at least read the original Jungle Book before you decide to post up a psuedo-intellectual respo
TheLastGunfighter 9 months ago
@Anghellik9 I'm sorry, black?
The Jungle Book was placed in India, making the boy (as I would assume) Indian. The end has a girl with the Tilaka (Hindu dot on the forehead.) If you make a video, please make sure you get your information right.
tigerishdragon 7 months ago
@Anghellik9 umm..jungle book is based in india buddy. Black? Maybe you need to do some research and maybe diversify your surroundings so you don't mistaken character identities. The characters are clearly indian. *smh*
MsCheyR 7 months ago
@Anghellik9 Nah, Mowgli was Indian~ I think the link between origin and portrayal of chihuahuas just shows that the media has low standards. I mean, that's like saying all people who live in Ohio have been there since birth and will be there their entire lives. People move - there are black French people, white Africans, Indian Brits, and American Chinese people, y'know? @ this point, Disney's pretty much damned to get race wrong, either by ignorance or by playing it extra-safe and simple.
vidaliadear 7 months ago
I'm really mad the girl @ 1:18 said "if my friend was getting yelled at and romantic"...jesus christ her relationship with men are gonna be fcked up when she gets older
LiTTLeDizZyUriNe 1 year ago
Hmm I always wondered why I could never picture a black person as the primary character let alone the hero.
- AP
AfroPlato 1 year ago
@AfroPlato If they had waited a couple more years until PatF was produced, half this documentary would be irrelevant. The heroine and villain are both black, and the prince is a representation of the mysterious "other" that is, instead of being offensive and animalistic, charming and hot.
JaceyDemy 1 year ago
@JaceyDemy What does PatF stand for?
AfroPlato 1 year ago
@AfroPlato Princess and the Frog, I loved that movie. And I think they gave Tiana a little something more than past Disney princesses, she has an actual career. :)
DimitrisduchessXD 1 year ago
So far this documentary is little more than political correctness and feminism run amok!
Ashybasha 1 year ago
@Ashybasha I have a feeling they haven't watched these movies.
JaceyDemy 1 year ago
@JaceyDemy
Indeed and if they have then I'd say these people have a much harder time distinguishing reality from fiction then we ever did as kids.
Ashybasha 1 year ago
How can anyone watch this documentary and not come away from it understanding that Disney is perpetuating sexist and racist stereotypes? I was pretty shocked that that woman's son made the connection that black children were bad because of how the hyenas in The Lion King were portrayed. Disney needs to stop this BS, now.
IAmGlenCoco 1 year ago
@IAmGlenCoco And...they did. There's a black princess now.
JaceyDemy 1 year ago
@JaceyDemy The fact that there's a black princess changes nothing, especially since Disney portrayed her stereotypically. It's a small step, but they still have a long way to go.
IAmGlenCoco 1 year ago
Oh my freaking goodness. 1st of all why do they only view monkeys, orangutans etc as black stereotypes when they feel like it? Look at Tarzan! But since they are portrayed as sweet, caring and protective that wouldn't fit in the documentary. Also, the major antagonist in that film is a white male who ends up getting killed. And literally a week ago, I laughed so hard and long that my friends said I sounded like a hyena. I am an Italian female. These people clearly have nothing better to do.
Zurdaness 1 year ago
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CardboardBrain 1 year ago
This documentary is really pissing me off. These people are really looking for something to bitch about.
ak34809723 1 year ago
It's kind of funny to me when they get mad at Disney for making the crows, monkeys, etc talk like that and say it's racist. It's only racist because they think that black people or mexicans or whatever act like that first place. I mean, why do they automatically refer to them as stereotyping a certain race by a certain character? It only means they believes that certain race acts that way themselves.
brisadiva9 1 year ago
This documentary is really grasping at straws.
catsluvdmb 1 year ago
I guess I was a dumb kid I never associated the images they were talking about with black people. Is Disney all they let their children watch. I guess it was because I was allowed to watch a variety of films. For example Pollyanna and the long walk home. I also watched movies that were from MGM. I think the problem isn't disney the problem is that they need to expose their children to a variety of films that express positive messages and discuss the films with their children.
actheaterstudent 1 year ago
may I point out that the other stray dogs, steal as well! Not just the chi wa wa. Seriously these people are looking for flaws and grasping at straw. If you look at the story of olivery and Company it's very close to the story of Oliver Twist. Oh my Gosh first they don't like the origional Tarzaan and then they don't like it that they didn't have any blacks in the new version. I think they were trying to avoid the issue they had with the older version all together with the new one.
actheaterstudent 1 year ago
Panchito Pistals is a Latino character, he is a rooster.
carrieoky 1 year ago
crows, primates, lions those are black people in disney world shucking and jiving. Jungle Book think about they are dancing to jazz music, jazz is a Afro american artform.
With Lion King, the lions are pretty white washed to white by default even with the swahili names I think James Earl Jones was one of the few black voice actors for the lions and hyennas whoopi goldberg and a clearly latino souding voice actor.
MizzDiamonds 1 year ago
not racism just stereotyping
spoogerification 1 year ago
this movie is stupid he changes half way through the movie and she falls in love with him
spoogerification 1 year ago
This whole documentary is like a giant invalid argument, many philosophical and rhetoric principles have been thrown out the window.
vanbelkom 1 year ago
@vanbelkom
"many philosophical and rhetoric principles have been thrown out the window"
can you back that up with examples at least?
carias1979 1 year ago
this is a joke of a documentary when it comes to the feminist views. those women need to stfu.. no young girl is sitting there thinking of things they are even talking about. get a liiiife
msvukey 1 year ago
@msvukey
this documentary talks about how these movies reinforce negative gender roles and stereotypes and ideas about how women should look like...how is that a joke when it comes to feminist views?
carias1979 1 year ago
@msvukey Actually many times they are. I'm not a feminist but I've seen the studies. Young girls absorb the stereotypes created by Disney. It is obvious you've never experienced a setting with young girls at play.
kieraap 1 year ago 3
Tarzan was the son of a British Lord! WHY WOULD HE BE BLACK. Why would there be random humans in the freaking jungle!? Even if they were present, they would have no purpose and would not contribute to the STORY. In addition, if everything was perfectly PC then it would be so boring! You can't have a character WITHOUT CHARACTER. You need to have stereotypes in order to have character development and likable characters. This medium is an art form above all, not a child's educational vehicle.
Ifthenelse2244 1 year ago
@Ifthenelse2244 - When you care as little as Disney about the source material, you are certainly not obligated to make Tarzan the son of a British Lord. With Disney's perpetual willingness to throw entire stories out the window, Tarzan might just as easily been a Zulu prince who "tames the jungle" and then comes across European explorers.
Disney's writers feel change their source matieral all the time. Given that, the things they choose to keep have meaning.
Sully64ify 1 year ago
@Ifthenelse2244 - From the documentary: "Disney animator Glen Keane was given the difficult task of coming up with a new take on Tarzan."
This "new take" was to make Tarzan a skateboarder. THAT doesn't fit the model of a British lord's son, either. Why no objections there? And again, if the task was to offer a "new take," why was the "new take" necessarily white?
Sully64ify 1 year ago
Wow I would have to say these people in the documentary are more racist than anyone else, I never noticed any of there stereotypes (other than the Latino but chihuahua's breed is from Mexico). I never saw the apes as Black people in jungle book or never cared if there were any in Tarzan. Only if we can go back to a time when not everything has to be politically correct, a more innocent time. Oh well... :(
ausabl 1 year ago
Is it wrong of me for wanting to stab her face once for every time she says the word "that"
ayeroxor 1 year ago
well they are right about that abuse one with the beuty and the beast. Sure, every movie has a message, but its kind of hard to identify it in that movie.
fivefamly 1 year ago
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The orangutan in The Jungle Book was voiced by an Italian American, Louis Prima. Why would you automatically think that the monkeys are black people unless YOU are racist? They're saying the characters represent blacks because of the way they speak and because of their "jive" attitudes. Since when did a certain culture *own* a way of speaking, acting, etc.? Just like a black person who doesn't speak with an ebonic dialect isn't "trying to be white". White people don't *own* a way of speaking.
TheTerrierQueen 1 year ago
I find it unfairish that they pick out sexism and racism in the movies at times when that was okay, but then again they are still adding some of that to movies today.
"No no no, we arent like that anymore! We have changed! That was a long time ago when it was acceptable. We are TOTALLY changed today. HEEEEY! Lets make another princess movie!'
miyalana 1 year ago
these people need to grow some balls
soverylovele 1 year ago
what amazes me is that there is ZERO mention of Song of the South, which was pulled out of circulation because it caused such an uproar...by the logic presented here, there are a lot more Disney films that should not be on sale because they are so offensive...with the lion king, they are leaving out the fact that the good king is voiced by a black actor was killed by the evil brother who was voiced by a white actor...if you're going to make an argument, make it across the board
cazia9 1 year ago 2
@cazia9 Oh i'm sure every kid who was watching lion king was well aware of that fact. The point of this movie is to let you see from a broad perspective what Disney is lacking in their film, and how that can distort a child's perception of the real world.
splitecho 10 months ago
censorship maybe ? anyone thinking about the bigger picture...and the smaller ones that make up this....hugeeeeeeeee fiasco?
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
my whole thing is this abuse she's finding. i'm just looking at the behaviour and what the children's reactions are. i think maybe part of it could be the time where these scripts where written. the society, the time, the people, the general enviorment...and media structure at THAT time. Is a mirror in their work. now that our SOCIETY and MEDIA has evovled.
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
@somewhereoutthere007 continued
you get parents, critisim. the blame game begins. which is good and bad. BUT at least we are thinking about these things. Cause its important. i think we need a disney movie which mirrors our society right now. im not talking about...princess frog...hannah montana....no....something that is orginal. then again everything has flaws. makes this all so interesting to read. thats my opinion. i respect all of yours
somewhereoutthere007 1 year ago
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree, There is no such thing as a bad person in absolute terms. Only people scared by past experiences and I think that movie teaches that it is worthwhile to unlock that good peron that is trapped on the inside.
Just my opinnion =3
Tomass2010ll 1 year ago
Okay. Re-read what I wrote. I already addressed that HIS STATEMENT standalone is iffy (NOT MY STATEMENT. My personal opinion is something else). I also said that you have to look at the bigger argument of how humans, and particular races are being anthromorphised via animals and in doing so, were perpetuating stereotype - that is the bigger argument here. You either accept that argument or not- but don't nit pick fine little grains of details or you miss the point all together. Aideu.
afroza2007 1 year ago
the black professor also is kinda racist, he says
"kids in africa see it... and they see no africans.. .and they see gorillas as the ones they relate to" so this guy is basically saying africans are closer to gorillas than white people? id imagine that black kids would relate to tarzan, not the gorillas!?
as far as tito - how is he a stereotype? he's basically cheech marin... i mean, he's not a stereotype, he's a real person,,,!
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
Tito is the sterotype of Mexican Americans, eager to steal, cheezy music, good at dancing, wants "rich babes". ect...
You'll need to watch the movie to notice it better.
KuramaKohaku 1 year ago
my point is that it's based on a specific person, not a stereotype of a group of people.
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
He's saying they can only relate to the gorillas because Tarzan is white, and the gorillas were darker, and acted black.
afroza2007 1 year ago
i know, and that's pretty racist. why cant a black kid relate to a white character? why would a black kid relate to a gorilla?? i mean im sure you know a lot of white kids looked up to michael jordan. and im fairly sure a lot of black kids looked up to superman or whatever as well. the idea that you cant look up to a person because he's of another race is just so stupid...and the idea that black kids would relate to the gorillas is just plain racist.
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital Oh I understand what you're saying now. That makes sense, however I think visually that's what the person was trying to say. Yes, you could look up to people no matter what race they are but i don't think that's what he meant, i think he was referring to being able to see someone that looks like you in the movie- and all things considered since it was supposed to take place in africa, and ... no africans? that is very iffy.
afroza2007 1 year ago
i dont like the implication of "visually"...are you saying that black people look more like gorillas than they look like white people??
again, why would african kids relate to gorillas and not ANY human being, no matter race?
"kids in africa see it... and they see no africans.. .and they see gorillas as the ones they relate to"
according to this logic, africans relate to africans, failing that, gorillas, but not any other human being. how does that make any sense??
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital The argument the person is making is NOT that "Africans" look up to gorillas instead of humans when there are black people lacking, but that those gorillas had traits they can identify as what thy, the viewers as blacks, might look like. the jiving, and the manner of speech- they see it as what black people do, so they identify with that, failing seeing actual black individuals. Basically the gorillas were anthropomorphized to resemble black people.
afroza2007 1 year ago
back that up with a quote. cause he never said or implied any of the words.
at any rate, no, thats a wrong idea. the apes did not have a "manner of speech" that was black. they were voiced by white people! like glenn close and rosie odonnell.
and the implication youre making is that black kids cant relate to a person who doesnt speak like black people do stereotypically. WHAT?? so black kids shouldnt look up to barack obama??
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital I'm trying to explain his argument in other words, I am not saying he saying that that black kids LOOK UP TO gorillas. In fact it is not a matter of "looking up to anyone" but representation. It's just the absurdity of no black people presence in Africa in the movie. That's just his argument. A lot of these characters were voiced by white people, but there were still anthoropomorphised to resemble a race, like the Siamese cats were meant to resemble asians, etc etc.
afroza2007 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital "The monkeys the orangutans. They're always ones that are sort of jive dancing the hip hop dancing or break dance, they have this slow slurred speech pattern."
"In jungle book, these orangutans and gorillas that sound like black people that want to be like black people, but can never be. the buffoon."
"They see a white man superior swinging from trees- and they see no Africans. And they see the gorillas as the ones they can relate to."
afroza2007 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital Look at the overall argument of race being anthropomorphised. You're trying to narrow down just one thing, and by itself it sounds ridiculous, but when you take into consideration about ALL the other people talking about the anthropomorphisation of animals to resemble certain races and what kind of stereotypes do they reproduce and perpetuate - and what does it mean to children when they rarely see a black person in their movies (like when the lil girls say they haven't).
afroza2007 1 year ago
@theZodiacDigital Anyway it was nice to have this back and forth kind of debate, though I think you skewed my words to mean something I didn't mean. I for the most part agree with a lot of what everyone has said in the documentary, and I was merely trying to explain the arguments better. I do agree that the way he said the comment about gorillas was very iffy, because he didn't expand or they cut the clip and it left us with guesswork about interpreting what he said. Anyway, have a good day.
afroza2007 1 year ago
have you seen tarzan? the apes are not "break dancing" or have a "slow slurred speech pattern". that's the OTHER lady's point. that stuff is about JUNGLE BOOK. look at what the guy is saying about tarzan. the apes in tarzan talk like... glen close and rosie odonnel. they dont dance.
and i dont think its quite ridiculous there are no africans in the movie. you have to realize the setting is an unexplored jungle, not a village or city. the idea that no civilization is near is part of the setting
theZodiacDigital 1 year ago
When the orangutang is singing in the jungle book its actually talking about trying to get blacks into American society, it was made in 1967 so there is still some racial tension in America.
RussianBOIIII 1 year ago
I really think that these people are reading too much into this. I've watched most of these films countless times (especially as a child, with strong memories about my reactions) and I have never thought any of these things. Neither am I racist or prejudiced. Furthermore, most of the stereotypes and formulas that Disney uses have been used in Fairytales and children's stories for centuries, so why is Disney being attacked for using them? And beyond that, why is EVERYONE so focused on race?
cheshirexpirate 1 year ago
That's why the Beast/Belle story is so problematic...what if he hadn't changed?
bday121 1 year ago
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Thing is, he did. That's how the story went, and that's how this movie did too.
"They'll abuse her and then apologize, cry, treat her like a queen so she'll come back, and then abuse her again.
Key difference here, is that they (Belle/Beast) had no relationship. She exchanged her life for her fathers alone, they eventually opened up to each other, and because they did, he let's her go.
SmashBroDx 1 year ago
then he probably wouldn't have saved her from the wolves and Belle would have been eaten. But then there's no story.
kridinaa 1 year ago
What the woman at the beginning is talking about is the classic push-pull manuever used by abusive men on women. They'll abuse her and then apologize, cry, treat her like a queen so she'll come back, and then abuse her again. The woman, if able to see this pattern, will leave. If not, she'll stay, thinking she'll be able to "change" the man and make him better. Some women think it's their duty to change a man. We all know that that change, however, will never happen.
bday121 1 year ago
Very true.
You have to take people as they are...This programming used by Disney is particularly dangerous and as we see results in that exact behaviour its programmed into people from childhood. Its messed up shit.
SHAOLINSINZ 1 year ago
you say 'some women think its their duty to change a man' where does that thinking come from? maybe its the disney movies.. thats the whole point here. the messages are getting through to the kids and shaping their imagination in harmful ways
edevji 1 year ago
its hard to believe that at any point in the last 50 or 60 years someone thought that it was appropriate to have a character named Jim Crow be a representative black person in a movie
D119heavy 1 year ago
Ok...so I understand where everyone is coming from and I respect them all. But when you get mad that they put the black people in the films and get mad when they take them out, (Reference from Tarzan) what are they suppose to do? I guess the question that I am really asking, is how would YOU propose that they represent the African-American population equally and without someone being able to look deeper and find a little bit of racism that probably didn't even mean to be there?
coolasian21 2 years ago
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i love you for this comment. lol xD
DemonSlayerMoG 2 years ago
I work with 3 black men and 2 of them talk just like those crows, what's the problem?
ixtasis 2 years ago
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lol hell i know some white ppl that talk like them
MissAlainey1991 1 year ago
Wow I don't like that his anaylsis of Tarzan is that... black people who better idenify with GORILLAS than with the human just because the human figure is white... that's rather offensive. Its interesting. I think their issues may be regional. Especially the hyena thing. Me being an African in Texas, I never heard people laugh or talk like the hyenas before so I would never associate it with what they are talking about. I never saw them as any race I saw them as silly hyenas.
quitejaded 2 years ago
Wow I never saw Jungle book that way... I mean I just thought... they were animals. Gorrilas are smart and they want to evolve to be powerful like the man. The boy is Indian, not white. I didn't see it as black vs. white...
quitejaded 2 years ago
First off, the whole movie Belle NEVER puts up with his attitude! I love how they try to say women always need to be saved, yet BELLE saves the Beast, and Mulan saves Shang (and China). And Disney isnt racist...How many of these "experts" ever played cowboys and indians when they were kids? How many supported segregation?! Yet they knock Disney for "corrupting" the kids? Also, with the "animals"...what if it were ppl instead of animals? would they still say Disney was being racist!?
mandalf0688 2 years ago
So you have a problem with interracial marriage.
Knoss 2 years ago
What about José Carioca, and Panchito Pistoles? BTW Tito is voiced by Cheech Marin based on his character in Cheech and Chong.
Knoss 2 years ago
There are complaints in the documentary about there not being native Africans in Tarzan. But if there HAD been any, you just know that there'd be an insane brouhaha over how racist and un-PC their inclusion was.
You can't please everyone.
omondieu 2 years ago
This is sensationalized. I agree with many of the points, but you cannot ignore aspects that do not support your opinion or you look like an extremist and undermine your argument. Belle leaves the castle after the Beast yells at her for going into the forbidden room and discovering his rose. but she's attacked by wolves and the Beast brings her back to the castle to save her, where SHE heals HIM. Then he gives her his library, which is when she starts to give a damn about him.
kismetprismatism 2 years ago
Belle NEVER tolerates his cruelty. She refuses to eat with him, and goes where he specifically tells her not to go. In doing so, she discovers that he has a vulnerable and intelligent side (which he shows to the other inhabitants, and is evidenced by his library, and the fact that he rescued Belle, gave her his magic mirror, and chose to let her leave). People have hated him for his appearance, & he expects the same from Belle. She only comes back in order to SAVE HIM when gaston forms a mob.
kismetprismatism 2 years ago 3
Thank you! She never excuses him. She's not staying there out of love, or out of hope that she can change him. She's staying there in her father's place as a prisoner.
omondieu 2 years ago
lol@thekidz
Ashitakaandsan 2 years ago
1:40 It doens't work like that in real life.
howitzer24 2 years ago
Exactly, that kind of mentality can get you into serious trouble. "Oh my husband only got mad and hit me because I didn't do something right, but I'll be sweeter and nicer to him next time and maybe he will treat me nicer as well"... I've learned that being nice sometimes just doesn't pay off... why be nice to someone that treats you like dirt and doesn't respect you; you only condone their behaviour. Be nice to people. If they are not nice in return, don't envorce it by being even nicer...
DigitalMortician777 2 years ago 2
lets be clear Belle was not always kind and sweet. she stood up for herself constantly.
on the flip side the racist undertone is definitely there in many disney films. though thanks to pixar this seems to have changed quite a bit.
jmduckling 2 years ago
She stood up for herself in some ways and yet lives with a very abusive 'monster' - whom she converts into a kind and caring person.
This is a most dangerous message to give our young people. One that sinks in and helps to perpetuate domestic violence in our societies.
We should be teaching young people that aggression and violence have no place in our world - and how to respond more appropriately.
explorer2101 2 years ago
i understand what your saying and agree completely. however she is not "living" with an abusive monster she is his prisoner. the truth is that he is true the king of his domain and he did show her kindness by not keeping her in the dungeon etc.
that is why i said she stood up for herself. she and her father were trespassing and by law could have been put to death. royalty had a lot of power and commoners did not. therefore she was brave.
jmduckling 2 years ago
Thank you for the comment. I can see that.
From my own perspective this film is made for children, who do not have the critical thinking ability to understand that they were very different times. Even if explained, the subliminal message that girls/women do not have more power in such a situation, is a dangerous one.
Children learn from their environment, including their play, how the world is and how to relate to that. Films can play a significant part in their learning process.
explorer2101 2 years ago 10
If I had young children, I would not be at all happy with them watching this once, let alone the repeated no of times many children watch such films.
explorer2101 2 years ago
Just being sweet and kind to change somebody doesn't work in real life.
ThisOneRocks 2 years ago