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  • I have a problem with this. The 'christian' calendar is satanic. It is based on numbers. So how can the holy muslim calendar have signs co-coordinating with this jewish abomination?

    The real evidence that Muhammed was a prophet of God is the calendar itself, it is the only accurate one on earth. The q'uran has been manipulated like every text by jewish treachery.

  • off course Allah is the creator, non believers have no idea about the origin of life, where the universe is, whats outside it, what happens when the universe dies and the arrow of time dies with it (eternity is outside the universe as time is embedded in the universe which will die)...and people claim they know there is no god? they cannot know anything as they are all clueless without islam....not any relegion but islam.

  • That was the most illogical argument for the evidence of god I've heard this month , congratulations.

    I hope your faith isn't based on THAT thing you wrote below.

  • @Master8laster

    hey buddy,have you checked out the book i mentioned?

    peace

  • @HighFlyingDutchman Yes I've read the quran and the reason your argument is illogical is not due to the the source but by the method of your reasoning...

  • @Master8laster

    ahhh come on,not Quran,

    "The Case For A Creator" by Lee Strobel

    before somebody wonders about the reason of his existence,wanting him to read the Quran makes no sense to me (X

    please read it

    now order it from Amazon,i bought it from Amazon,too :D great book,includes about 10 interviews with scientists from different fields about the signs of the source of all the intelligence we see around us

    please read it

    peace and love

  • @HighFlyingDutchman What case does Strobel make that convinces you that theres a creator?

  • @Master8laster this is ONE of the other 3000 signs. He just had time to explain ONE sign very SHORTLY, and with very little info.

  • what information and intelligence are you referring to when you make that comment?

    Also what do you mean by unconscious matter?

    And how can unconscious matter have intelligence?

  • @Master8laster

    go to a library and see the information and intelligence

  • @HighFlyingDutchman I dont need to go to the library i have a computer and second of all if i did go to the library i wouldnt even know what to look up based on your comments

  • @Master8laster

    learn more about

    astronomy,biology,cosmology,ph­ysics

    and use your OWN mind to decide what they point to

    especially learn EVERYTHING about your own body,your brain,your numberless systems that work in perfect harmony(when u r healthy)also check out how you were created from a drop of semen,decide if it can be the work of an unconscious zygote?or is there an intelligent power behind the "curtain"

    i am a biology student and the more i study,the more i see the signs of creation

  • @HighFlyingDutchman I learned and i dont see any signs.

    Perhaps you can enlighten me?

  • @Master8laster

    I really appreciate your kind attitude

    I wonder what you really know about the complexity of your own body or the intelligence in unconscious cells or DNAs?

    the textbooks are always written in a naturalistic point of view,just like the textbooks we study in my university,thats a philosophy however,materialist world view and no scientist can publish a textbook including a sentence "(x)this points the existence of the designer" so you need to use your own wisdom to decide...

  • Nowadays,I am reading the book titled

    "The Case for a Creator" by the journalist Lee Strobel

    I may suggest it,if you'd like...

    it is a nice collection of some interviews with some important scientists about the scientific signs pointing to the existence of a Creator

    it is always funny to see such "rational" people believing in a book full of contradictions and some nonsense stuff to be the words of "god" but anyway their points about theism still make sense

    (: !best regards,buddy! :)

  • @Master8laster Well...1 question: What's the smallest number that has all the factors between 1 and 10? I'll give you the answer: it's 2520. What 7(days in a week) * 30 (days in an average month) * 12 (months in a year)? You get 2520. Whats half of 7!(again - days of a week) That too 2520.That's not maths in Quran though. But it is Maths applied in the universe.You wont get that happening from the cause of a big bang, even if the Earth did form from it. Just to show that there's has to be a god.

  • The 1974 is not right and as nothing to do with islam.

  • @cube12083

    so you are sure about this,right?

    thanks for enlightening us... : /

  • @hichamkamel

    watch?v=PaUs4Qp8uUc

    have you watched my response to Rashad Khalifa,

    brother?

  • where did you get this mathamatical value chart for the characters from?

    Couldnt there been an easier way too prove a miracle.

  • @Master8laster

    that is the mathematical values of the Arabic letters that was used for many years

    it is simple,maan! :D

    not a big deal to understand :)

  • @HighFlyingDutchman

    who created these mathamatical values and when were they first created?

    Seems like no one wants to give me those answers.

  • @Master8laster

    i dunno when they were first created but it was being used by Arabs in 7th century and for many more centuries they were used

    what would that change anyway?

  • @HighFlyingDutchman Well , what it changes is that if they knew what assigned values where for each character than this couldve been purposedly done.

    See this is almost the same thing the jews are currently doing with the bible code ,

    they find similarities in the word structure and claim it to miraculous.

    I deny those claims also.If the quran can be translated into one large text of numbers im sure similarities will be found and couldve been purposely manipulated.

  • @Master8laster

    ok

    as i said it was being used when the Quran was revealed

    there is nothing in the world that would make you have to accept Quran,that would not allow you to use your free will

    but there are numberless signs for any logical and rational person who REALLY wants to find his/her Creator

    ps:this video is just one "ring" in a very long "chain" ,just like a quote out of context,you need to see the whole chain to witness the miracle in it,this can not have been made by humans...

  • @HighFlyingDutchman "there is nothing in the world that would make you have to accept Quran,that would not allow you to use your free will". I dont know what you mean.

    "but there are numberless signs for any logical and rational person who REALLY

    wants to find his/her Creator".

    When you use the word "REALLY" what you are trying to impose is that there is a God , that I believe in him, and I do not have the intention of believing for some specific reason. I would love to have eternal life

  • @Master8laster

    no i did not want to impose anything,i just wanted to mean that you need to be serious about your search,i know many atheists among my "friends" that do not care about why they exist,how and why they came to earth,this is the result of pride and pride is very dangerous on the way to God

    "I shall turn away from My Signs those who behave proudly in the land in an unjust manner; and even if they see all the Signs, they will not believe therein..."

    [Quran 7:146]

  • @HighFlyingDutchman

    Contrary to your statement "many atheists among my "friends" that do not care about why they exist,how and why they came to earth"I use to be a devote muslim, use to pray 5 times a day learned to recite the quran, fasted prayed the taraweeh, lived according to sunnah and through my CONCERN for the origins of life and truth I am currently an atheist. But all I am asking is for concrete evidence for the existence of a god.I have no biased toward any position.

  • @Master8laster

    ok so tell me what would make you accept the existence of the source of all the information and consciousness in unconscious beings who is behind the curtain of matter physically (definitely out of our dimension and nothing similar to anything we can comprehend) but at the same time who is everywhere with the things s/he/it creates

  • @Master8laster

    humans have free will

    think about a giant palace full of wonders with thousands of doors

    and we are all born outside of it as humans

    whoever wants,can enter using any of the doors

    but no one has to enter it

    and any kind of binding or compelling evidence such as seeing hell at the sky every second would shatter the meaning of the doors to enter the palace intentionally and willingly

    the doors are the signs of creation & the divinity of Quran

    &the palace is submission to God

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  • @Master8laster

    since you wanted one,here it is

    He is the one who has let free the two bodies of flowing water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.

    [Quran 25:53]

    He has let free the two seas meeting to gather. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress.

    [Quran 55:19-20]

  • The word used to describe the partition is barzakhan which means a barrier of dry land.Also if you read 55:19 where it claims that from both fresh and salt water corral and pearl cometh forth.Corral any where on earth is only found in salt water.Can any muslim on the face of this earth in anytime in history give me a prediction found in the quran before it happens. no postdictions please just predictions.Also the reason I am an atheist is because I am concerned about the truth.

  • @Master8laster

    please visit scienceislam dot c o m

    it is explained well there with references to the main textbooks of oceanography

    

  • ... Verifiable and demonstrable evidence.

    If my child told me their was a monster in the closet and I checked the closet and I could not find it puts me in a justified position not to accept my childs claims.

    So you are claiming that god is "The source of all the info. that is behind the the curtain of matter physically and it is out of this dimension definently but yet we cannot comprehend it and it is he in its creation. If this makes sense to you then our conversation comes to an end..

  • @HighFlyingDutchman because your logic is so .... contaminated by your own bias that it is encumbent upon yourself to rise out of the box and view things from a neutral point a view , only then will you be able to recognize the absurdity in your arguments.Also the purpose of telling the muslims that they cannot comprehend something is to ease their qualms of the answers to the questions that really matter.Please if you wish to discuss this matter do not erase my comments.No deceipt just truth.

  • @Master8laster

    why would i erase it? you have not brought any argument at all,in fact i have never erased an argument without slang words-blasphemy

    in fact i dont remove all the slang comments either,just check out some of my most viewed uploads and count the f-words

    anyway,of course i know you want verifiable and demonstrable evidence

    i asked you what kind of thing you would want?for example would "seeing god" with your "own" eyes be enough?i am serious

  • @Master8laster

    if i have a claim here for real,that is it

    all the "intelligence",order and harmony we see in unconscious elements,atoms,molecules,plane­ts,galaxies,cells,organs and systems all together show the source of this information behind the curtain of matter

    as if they are holding a sign "this way" and all the signs are turned to the same point,in the same angle

    this is my "argument" if you really want one,nothing else at all

    and Quran includes many of similar signs,too

    peace

  • @HighFlyingDutchman

    I didnt ask for claims Im asking for EVIDENCE

    " all the "intelligence",order and harmony we see in unconscious elements,atoms,molecules,plane­­ts,galaxies,cells,organs and systems all together show the source of this information behind the curtain of matter". Makes absolutely no sense, Your speaking jive.

    What are the signs and what the hell are you talking about.

    Do you read what you write?

  • @Master8laster

    OK,I will give an example then

    Imagine that somebody brought a tribesman to his house and wanted him to discover how the TV works

    he thought and thought,opened the TV "box" examined the parts in the TV and after many years he has finally realized how the vision occurs on the screen

    and he thinks that he has finally discovered this mysterious machine

    but he is still unaware of the TV station or the satellites

    he does not know where the "information" comes from

    makes any sense:?

  • @HighFlyingDutchman

    Why do you speak in parables cant you just speak using logic and plain english?

    Cant you see how you have no response to any of my questions?

    You have to beat around the bush when asked for evidence.

    In every aspect of life excluding claims for gods we rely on our senses and PHYSICAL MANIFESTATIONS of nature and natural laws to identify our universe.

    Is there any sensical evidences or physical manifestations of a god(s).

    Your making a claim then please provide evidence

  • @Master8laster

    imagine that the codes which are all about 1s and 0s in youtube became conscious and they started to ask each other if there is any programmer of youtube or is it all about some codes luckily came together in enough time?

    if you were one of them what would you claim and why?

  • @HighFlyingDutchman I dont know man.

    your asking me if i were a 1 or 0 what would i do.

    Im not so how does that matter?

  • @Master8laster

    you are right,we are not 1s and 0s

    but we are As Ts Gs and Cs

    we are all about some codes in our DNAs

    and in this way we are not really different from the codes in computers

  • @HighFlyingDutchman We are extremely different then codes in computers.

    You always seem to fall back on metaphors and parables.

    Just speak logically.

    Your argument is one big argument of ignorance.

    You do not know the answers so you assert that you are right using these metaphors and beating around the bush.

    Im asking :

    What your proof of god is?

    Its simple..

  • @Master8laster

    sweet

    so i reply simply

    all the information and intelligence seen in the unconscious matter

  • @HighFlyingDutchman "seen in the unconsious matter" explain?

  • @MrDpsc

    shortly...

    matter,or atoms,are unconscious,they are not aware of their existence,they dont possess any intelligence

    but they get together and make all the things that amaze us including ourselves

    behind the "curtain" of matter,there is the necessarily existent one

    (if you want more,please pm)

  • @HighFlyingDutchman so you say you belief in god because its very unlikely something like us got created out of atoms?

    just to understand you clear?

  • false mircales this is made a by a man rashad khlifa muslimkilled him for it for he had to delet verses from quran to make it fit with his numbers .

  • @AllahTheLeg

    watch?v=PaUs4Qp8uUc

    please watch this to see my response to Khalifa

    thanks

  • I just think this isn't the only coincidence found in your videos.

    I am somewhat interested in the matter, but from the few videos I've seen I can only reach a conclusion that just about any text, in just about any language, contains so many different parameters (characters, paragraphs, lines, chapter numbers) that you can always find some relationships between them.

    And they can involve the number 19 just like any other one.

  • you are definitely right

    I agree with you

    in enough time you may find some interesting coincidences in any text

    but Quran and 19 is a little bit different

    first of all it mentions 19 and its being a sign for disbelievers clearly

    and if you go to the next videos you will see that there are some other things pointing to the existence of a code related to number 19 in Quran

  • you can always stay skeptic about such things,but if you learn it all about code 19,you will also admit it can not be a coincidence

    and the only thing between you and accepting Quran as a fact will be the possibility that a human wrote the Quran and put this code into it intentionally

    but i dont think you will give any chance to such event either

    anyway

    if you watch the videos,you can always ask me anything related to any of them

    best regards

    peace

  • "...the possibility that a human wrote the Quran and put this code into it intentionally..."

    Frankly, I find this very easy to accept. Sure, that's a lot of work to do, but someone dedicated to his job could've performed that.

    I will continue exploring the videos, and should anything arise I will ask it.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply.

  • you should remember,if there is an author of this book,he must have spent years to create such code(i am not sure if such thing is possible without computer programs though,because it is really,i mean REALLY complex but lets be skeptical) but he never used it to convince others,the code wasnt even known until it was discovered 30-40 years ago

    some people had known some things about the miraculousness of 19 in Quran before,but they did not realize it all

  • but lets keep watching the parts,it is up to you to decide of course with your own free will and mind

    you only should be objective and logical

    thats all

    see you in other chapters then

    peace

  • Having you made that stament, i would love to see them nickolayer, why dont you show them to us?

  • With pleasure. Let us try this very video.

    Kindly take a look at the yellow table at 1:22. The left column contains a total of 38, or 19*2 words.

    Next, the text at 0:27. The article "the" is used 6 times in it; (6*3)+1 and (74-6*3)+1 are both divisible by 19.

    The text at 3:42 overlooks the fact that not only 741=19*31, but also (741-39+1) is a multiple of 19. BTW, this text contains 19 words of 4 letters or shorter, excluding numbers.

    I'll go on with another text if necessary, but not now.

  • so you found a text in the video that would suit a multiple of 19 and "the" being 6 times at 0.27 was suitable even though its not, great! . Also 3.42 has 19 words of four letters or shorter, excluding numbers! what interests me is how long did you spend sifting through each text counting each word looking for 19? lol...i agree anybody can do what you are doing!

  • What you did nockolayer my 4 year old sister could have done!

  • Of course. Everyone could have done it.

    I get the impression that you were expecting something different, though...

    I wonder how you determine which coincidences are "suitable" and which are not (that is, which are to be ignored).

    That was a single video; imagine what can be made out of a large book, with so many chapters, titles, pages and characters.

    In short, what is the difference between this little mathematical entertainment of mine and the efforts to find the code of 19 in the Quran?

  • hey :D

    are you still in this video?

    come on,dude!

    go to the next ones

    this is just a small ring in a long chain

    peace

  • I understand :-)

    It's just that someone asks for an example, I provide one, then it turns out anybody could do that.

    Gotta do it via PM next time, then, so as not to occupy this thread.

  • the word "little" excluding miracle simply put.

  • Excuse the question, but...

    "And there are 38 parts on YouTube now."

    38 just because it's a multiple of 19 or for a less significant reason?

  • hehe :D

    no actually i didnt try to make it 38 parts

    i had a looooong text and started making videos and they ended when the part number reached 38

    maybe a miracle of a miracle maybe a coincidence i dunno

    :=)

    so btw,are you interested in it?

    peace

  • As long as we're mixing cultures to get the results we want, why not throw in the Mayan culture. The Mayan calendar ends at 2012. (More accurately, it starts over, but why correct generally accepted fallacies at this point?) I wonder what would happen if you took some of the Mayan characters on the calendar, gave them a numeric value, and started playing numerology games with them?

    Honestly, this is like sudoku for religious whackjobs. Get a real hobby...

  • a small corection in the word "albar" the 1st is 5-96 instead of 5-97 the other ones are all correct I'v just re-checked them all hihi

  • Alrasuwl ,just use common sense, if i am tricking you , i would be tricking my self in the same time,so how can i know that it's a trick ,and still believe in it ,just does'nt make any sense,i have very good arabic knowlege and i looked up for the words my self and shown you where they are and they are only in those surat ,and again do it yourself and i recomend som on with arabic knwoledge has to assist you ,i would do it if you like.

    wish you the best

  • no dear,it does not require two words only the word " البِرْ " witch means Land,

    and " البِرْ "/Land is mentioned 13 times and "البحر" /Sea is mentioned 32 times please see in the other comment where they are mentioned in the Quran, ,and Yabas does not have any thing to do in this story I'v wrot you before to looke up for البِرْ , and البحر yourself in the surat i'v mentioned before and you will find them realy 13, and 32

  • like i said " البِرْ " with "kasra" means righteousness , and " البَرْ " with "fatha" means Land, those like i said befor are totaly different words ,and you should read the wiki pages to understand the vowels in arabic ,witch are smal lines above the words ,and the question about opposites, u should always remember quran is not a science magazine,it's a book witch tell you why you are here and what you are supposed to do in life ,stick to it and you are a winner .

    wish you best.

  • with "fatha" البر witch means land,dry land,if you see in my other comment it occur exactly 13 time,but "bir" بر has a different meaning ,(good doing ,helping people..etc) you must have knowlege in "tachkil" or ask some one with arabic knowledge ther is zero trick here, it is straightforword,"albahr" 32 time and albar 13, i dont see where is the trick i'shown you the verses and i also dont want to believe in a lie lol so i did quit a bit of searchin

    ty

  • hi,when you search you have to search for the word "albar" not "bir" they are the same but they mean different thing "albar" means land ,and it ocuure in the verses i'v wrot in the other comment ,ther is no trick i'v spent quit a bit searching this and it was correct ,see my other comment where the word "albar" is stated in the quran.

    ty

  • anyway , albar with fatha witch means in arabic dry land or simply land is used in ONLY the following verses ,again search it for your self

    1st sura 5-97 , 2nd sura 6-59 , 3rd sura 6-63 ,4th sura 6-97 ,5th sura 10-22 , 6th sura 17-67 , 7th sura 17-68 , 8th sura 17-80 ,9th sura 27-63, 10th sura 29-65 , 11th sura 30-41 , 12th sura 31-32 , 13th sura 52-28 and nowhere else ,

  • I strongly recommend that you must have arabic knowledge in order to understand this , beceause

    there some words like bahrain or bahr witch does not mean literaly Sea , bahr for example could mean an adj like vast ,deep but the only word that means literaly Sea is Albahr with Al , In arabic they say , alilmo bahron/sience is vast,deep ,has no boundaries but if you emply the word albahr with al ,it has one meaning ; sea , and albahr with al is used 32 times ,

  • 12th sura 16-14 , 13th sura 17-66 , 14th sura 17-67 , 15th sura 17-70, 16th sura 18-61 , 17th sura 18-63 , 18th sura 18-79 , 19th and 20th in sura 18-109 , 21th sura 20-77 , 22thsura 22-65 , 23th sura 26-63, 24th sura 27-63 , 25th sura 30-41 , 26th sura 31-27 , 27th sura 31-31 , 28th sura 42-32 , 29th sura 44-24 , 30th sura 45-12, 31th sura 52-6 , 32th sura 55-24

  • this is my reply and i hope it clears som confusion

    if you can read arabic you will find that the word "albahr/البحر ,means by google translate ;Sea" is used 32 times in exactly thoses verses i'v searched over and over there is no "البحر" anywhere else

    1st in sura 2-50, 2nd in sura 2-164, 3rd in sura 5-96 , sura 5 103, 4th in sura 6-59 ,5th sura 6-63, 6th sura 6-97 , 7th sura 7-138 , 8th sura 7- 163 , 9th sura 10-22 , 10th sura 10-90 , 11th sura 14-32 , 12th

  • you are really loosing and your comments are so senseless. i told u baher means seawater,i em Arabic i read Quran Daily u kannot make me a fool. lol. red sea beher al ahmer beher al arabia the arabian sea. Quran has sued beher as a seawater u loose it again..

  • neher means river in arabic.

  • your are really funny evey thing present in Quran is rubbuih? thats you like a 12 year old kid who fights with his small brother. I am really not getting you. Why you search for this kind of videos./Well Quran is already proving modern Scince such is speed of light. YAbas?? lolz thats nt dry land? u kant make an arabic guy fool. the word البحر(Al baher) means sea water. like Red sea (Baher al Ahmer) بحر أحمر)

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  • R U only dependent on searching read by urself....... i hve counted it reading nt search for bar wich means dry and beher meanz water. dnt search al ard ( earth planet ) but search for bar meaning dry land in arabic nt planet earth i told u b4.. and itz better to read by urself. next time reply me after u read it. ohk?

  • yh i told u thousands times. i knw Quran by heart. and all muslimz knw this fact present in Quran and thiz is 100% true. we muslims read Quran evey day for sm minutes and more in ramadan so u kant discuss again and again and ask again and again that are u sure it used 13 and 32 times because evey 1 knws and if u still continue the way he/she will laugh out.i em sayin to true em nt lyin. and nw the light topic. every 1 knws tat fact present in Quran ,u kant deny. kmon discuss the light topic.

  • yes i em a memorizer i knw Quran by heart. and when i was leaning it i was taught and i researched it.tatz 100 % true.. i won thiz nw tell me wat u say abt the speed of light. discuss both at thiz time..

  • haha ur funny Allhumdulillah i em memorizer of Quran i em a hafiz. u loose. and tell me abt the speed of light and the expansion of universe. kmon.. and the iron was sent down later nt when the earth was born. iron was sent later.stated in Quran. we muslims study Quran Daily we knw .

  • land is used 13 times and water is used 32 times. add them 13+32=45 nw take the percentage 32/45=0.711*100=71.11 and 13/45=0.28*100=28.8

    now 28.8+71.1=99.9 .. and these are the percentages.. and watch the the speed of light derived from the Quran and yes apply it in any book and upload a video..

  • kmon apply it in other book. ohk if it can be applied to any book apply it . y such a long big coincincedence??? wat abt the percentage of earth and water. wat abt the equilibrium of the words. .. apply it any other book now. and 19 code kant be such a long1. you knw.

  • haha nw u r changing, u said u will apply it. there ae several thousands numeroligical coincidence like sirius orbital vale atomic number and neutrons of Fe in surah hadded and Qamar respectivele. such as the equilibruim of words. and the number of bar and baher used in Quran prove it tat the earth is 28.8% land and 72.22 is water,

  • welll u aply it in any other religious book. and upload a video. kmon..

  • but in accordance to be discoverd in 1974 makes it a coincidence. ohk apply it in ur chemistry book as u said.

  • and more plz apply tiz in ur chemistry book pleez.

  • tatz nt n important thing if letters are added. itz jus throwing ur words into the air. a negligible topic.

  • if it is changed. then y? still y tiz coincidence occur?? if letters are changed? so wat.. it waz changed to shw us sign in present time.

  • yh Quran has nt changed, meaningz are the same.... i told u Allah choose those calliphs to do it Allah wanted to change it..so tat we get HIS warnings in 1974. ohk do it in ur chemistry book. upload a video and send it to me quiclly. iy shud be acceptable..adding laters doesnt alter it. Quran is translated into thousands languages. does it mean it is altered? verily not. so tat doesnt male a sense of smfin is added into the scripts. changing produced a big coincidence?? so tatz a warning..

  • no its not its nt. ohk if its changed. then howz tat poosible y such a big coincidence??

  • and what you wrote abt the long alif thats wrong and suppose if it is correct then also not a problem becasue that doesnt change the meaning. meanings are still the same and that means Quran is nt altered. and Quran is translated into several languages is that mean Quran is altered? verily not. so those calliphs dint knw wat they doing. why then such a big long coincidence.

  • ohk first of all what were u sayin is totally unacceptable.. that calliphs added vowels they dnt and suppose if they did this Allah choose them to do to add the vowels. that dosent meanz Quran is altered the meaningz are still the same.

  • adding vowels dnt alter it.

  • Allah used those calliphs to add vowels so tat to warn us in thiz times. i em nt getting. so y is there such a big coincidence?? well apply it in your chemistry book. and upload a video and send me. and yes it shud be acceptable.. if vowels were added. then hw those calliphs knw it tat it will be discovered it in 1974 ( 1406) nt only thiz the  Quran is full ov miracles and scientific facts.

  • how those calliphs knw that if they add vowels a big coincidence will be. So Allah did thiz and choose those Calliphs to add vowels.. Allah want us to see the 19 code in 1974.

  • so wat tatz doest make a sense if vowels were added.still y is such a big coincidece?? 1974?? hw? 1406??? hwz tatitz possible.. well might Allah wanted us to c this in 1974 tatz y vowelz were added by them and Allah choose them for doing. Allah sayz be and it will be..may be Allah did tiz thru those calliphs to add vowelz. so as we get signs frm Allah thiz way. hw do those calliphs knw tat if we add vowelz tiz sill happen. nt only thiz. Speed of light has also been derived from the Quran.

  • no it was.. .. the Quran was written by the calliphs in the order said by Muhammad if they were changed later tat was also by the orderd from Muhammad.. First Calliphs wrote the Quran nt 2nd One..but most Quran are in itz original for so tat dnt make sense if words were added. if they were added then y stiil such big coincidences??

  • No tatz dnt make a differnece. the number of verses are still the same as it was revealed.

  • the Quran miracles and knowlege is never ending

  • al rasuwl?it should be arrasuwl lol

  • yeh your right the prophet went thru the sab.Atu(7)samawaat than in to jannat

  • WHy dont this jesus just clicks or claps and kills his anti-christ if he is god ??

    why does he hav to come to our very great planet and take supporters and swords with him to kill the anti-christ ??

    this shows that he is not the son of god but a normal messenger like Abraham,Adam,Moses. poor deviated christian bastards.Piss of on your deviated minds.

    The fight of evil is with human and not with god or any son of god.

  • LOL..just wake up and realize youve been lied to..thats all Im saying..Peace..

  • I would love to see a picture of you I BET MY LIFE you have a down syndrome face...because you are fucking RETARDED!!! LOL! Its funny how you cant even see your telling me a fucking FAIRYTALE...LOL! Ya Grown ass telling me a bed time story..LOL! God, jesus, the devil OH MY! LOL! Ok we have God, jesus the Lion, and the devil aka the wicked witch..Your the fucking STRAWMAN aka the scarecrow...LOL!!!!!! Wheres the fucking TIN MAN and TOTTO..! LOL!!! Click ya heals three time for heaven LOL

  • Smoking that shit got ya head past the 7th level of paradise..LOL!!! What are you shrooming..Lol! Im not an atheist they are dumbasses too..some believe in god still and some aliens..they are confused just like you religious fools. What you googled gods address in paradise in heaven..LOL!!! How the hell do you people know a socalled god is in paradise..LOL. Seriously you people are the reason why the entire world is fucked up..without religion there would be PARADISE ON EARTH..!

  • Yeah and snow white had SEVEN dwarf...Man shut that bullshit up.. Read your statement again..you agreed to what I said about SKY is HEAVEN! Its AMAZING how fucking ignorant people are..what schools did you people attend? The shit is very scary that you cant even read the quran or the bible to comprehend the fucking mental trick..the spell they have you under.. You dont even Own yourself dumb bastard.. Levels of Paradise..LOL!!!!!!!! What islamic comic book did you read that from..LOL!!!

  • I'm a muslim, and I say this is ABSURD. Prophet Muhammad did not even LIVE to see the book being assembled to what it is now. The chronological order of which it is placed in is simply put out according to their sound judgement. These numbers bubmping together are pure coincidence.

    There are enough scientific miracles mentioned in the Quran. Numbers have NO ROLE except the fact that they make it easier to navigate around..

    This is absurd.

  • anyone that believe in religion is half retarded and half asshole..

  • Anyone who doesn't believe in God will rot in hell.

  • You are in hell according to your bible and quran asshole...heaven is the SKY..

  • but in arabic heaven dosent mean sky..

  • O brothers , we have about 1000 miracle in quran , plz stay away from those calculations ...

  • the koran is the final book of god(ALLAH)

    Mohammed is the messenger of the lord

    peace be upon him...

  • Ya muslims! Do you know about this 19 "miracle"? You need to remove 2 Quran verses to make this miracle complete. The maths doesn't add up if you dont corrupt the Quran!!!

    Do some critical research about this number. We shouldn't blindly follow everything we here.

    Again this 19 doesn't add up if we don't remove(GOD FORBID) 2 verses from the Glorious Quran!

  • Please substantiate your claim.

  • he's correct, I remember an egyptian scientist (the man who came up with this whole number 19 thing) said that those two verses aren't genuine and must be removed. sorry i have no links for that.

  • I think this is all rubbish. The arabic alphabet has no numerical value. Mess around with that stuf N u end up deviating on to magic N astrology. If u dont belive me run it by a scholar N he will elaborate and u will see. Ahmed deetdat once had a thing 4i think the number 19 or 17 and one surah in the quran didnt fit in with his calculatons n he sad it was therfore wrong...big mistake. I think he was conviced to retract this statement but the message was out there and the damage had been done

  • SubhanAllah Allah the greatest Mathematecian and Rabulalameeen

  • the only reason i would count this as a miracle is that God (swt) knew it would turn out to be like this, so, one of the reasons he probably organized it like this might have been for this miracle, all I'm saying is WOW, God (swt) KNEW this when He was saying it. Glory of God!

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  • after the prophet (pbuh) saw (gibreel) for the first time he was so scared, he ran to (Khadeega)'s home and he kept saying "datherony"which means hide me ,so almoddather means the hidden

  • 74  *******

  • Haha, funny.

  • Brother this could be true,but it has nothing to do with the mericle of the Quran.The challange still stands,come up with one sentence of equal grammatical value than the God's words.There is no need for more,it is marginal.I will admit very interesting, but don't give it much attention.

  • Brother, you can't believe in part of the 19 miracle. As it says in the Qur'an, God knows the number of all things. The last two verses in surah 9, have numerous evidence against them, not only the # 19 (such as the absense of the Basmala).

    Rashad Khalifa being messenger is a bit hard to accept, even for me, but it might be true...if this 19 thing wasn't a coincidence. If you go in depth into his "proof" of messengership, it really convinces you.

  • I don't know too much (because I've just recently discovered Islam/submission, but I'd be more than willing to talk it out with you if you'd like.

  • first of all Allah means God in Arabic

    and ArabiC Bibles use the same word

    thanks :D

    and Quran speaks about the miracles of Jesus in details

    thanks again :D

    he was one of the most importent Prophets that was supported by Holy Spirit (Rouh'ul Quds) and he was the Messiah,the son of Mary

    and because of that the revelation he got wasnt preserved,one last revelation was a must and already he prophecies about another "one" that would come after him in the Bible

    regards

  • very nice video, amazing work done, May ALLAH give you the reward for all this, and may ALLAH give the light of Imaan to all the people who watch these videos. As a muslim it is our responsibility to call people towards the right path, for non muslims please dont look at the life of muslims, look at Quran, the word of GOD, yours and mines ... Ignore people they will do whatever they like, we will see what our creator say, and his messangers on this earth.

  • heres another one of the verses you quoted...in full context of course. "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers."-2:191. It is clearly instructing self-defense. So yeah try not to make yourself look so stupid next time.

  • your the stupid, dumbass. who´s taking the words out of context? Him? Or the abominations who go around, de facto, killing people in the name of something that is clearly a very bad idea...

  • godofemptyness, you are a prime example of nonmuslims taking the qur'an's words out of context. "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."-9:5. It does not just say "slay them"....idiot.

  • please you also watch the "Quran orders: kill them wheverever you find" video on my main page

    u will see what a poor tactic they are using

    those who you follow

    peace

  • Are you telling me the serial killer like jack the ripper kill people because the bible or the Qu'ran tell him to do so??What's wrong with believing in god??Did you die believing in Him??Religion gives way of life..Law to people..

  • you're stupid. you don't know what i mean. you better read more books on FREEDOM, LOGIC, and DOGMATISM.lol

  • xpressivist

    please watch

    "Quran orders: Kill them wherever you find..."

    video on my main page

    to see the "quote out of context" tactic on anti Islamic media

    thanks

  • lol so whose telling u that we wanna kill u...quran clearly says "there is no compulsion in religion"

  • 666GODOFEMPTYNESS666- i have spoken to many non muslims & you have to be the most stupid & most ignorant person i have ever witnessed that puts something like this on youtube. Il show u why u r so dumb can you please post (2:190 to 2:193)?likewise look at the context of each verse and tell me if any dont involve self defence??

    Dickhead....

  • No pal, you are not missing anything!!!!! :D

  • Muslims thinks their religion is the right one,

    Christians thinks theirs is the right one,

    Hindus thinks theirs is the right one,

    Buddhists thinks theirs is the right one too...so who is on the right path...the answer is....all of you as long as you believe there is a creator. those who dun have any or dun believe in god is the worst of them all, I pity their soul. May Allah have mercy on them.

  • Also this is just pattern clinging. The human brain is good at finding these. Its nothing special. Im sure christians have tons of these as well but I guess some people will fall for it. Have you ever seen the movie 23? this is the exact same thing. Searching for signs hard enough will find signs, even where none exist.

  • lol

    yeah movie 23

    but you havent seen the 40 chapters of this "chained" code

    peace

  • Just want to let the author know that the code does not seem plausible. The 1974 thing during 15-30 seconds is untrue simply because we as human beings are excellent at identifying patterns and had the date been 1976 they would have used some other surah and made logic out of it. This is well known in psychology. If you believe this is a code your mind will automatically start looking for patterns even if there is nothing there. Just for the record, I am a muslim myself.

  • although I am not religious on any level, it makes me very happy to see one that 'is' religious, who is willing to point out such an obvious thing. :) especially since you're Muslim! The steriotype of Musclims these days, at least aorund here is just so evil, and terrible. I can't believe that ALL Muslims (or any other religion) is filled with nothing but Destructive Fanatics instead of people who actually have some intelligence.

  • Well there are extremist in every society and muslims are no exception. Part of the reason is because much of muslim society does not have access to good education, a fault which is clearly our own. I don't agree with enforcing ones beliefs on others and neither does Islam allow this.

    I would recommend you try reading the Quran in english and decide for yourself :)

    As far as pointing out factual errors, this is something very natural to do as Isalm emphasizes the Truth.

    Peace

  • you know mol, I personally find that religion and its holy text can justify just about anything. Its not so much the stereotype of muslims being violent, its that islam and any other religion allows and fosters the possibility of those kind of people. If you want to find peace in the Qur'an you'll find it, if you want violence, you'll find it too and yes even in the qur'an. Having a holy book seems to just provoke violence by justifying it in gods name.

  • If the Quran was from the true creator don't you think that Muslims would lead the world in SCIENCE ?

  • Actually muslims led the science world for many centuries. The works of the greeks, persian, chinese and indians from their philosophies to mathematics were all collected and analyzed by Islamic scholars. The European Renaissance would probably have not taken place if they had no contact with muslim Spain or Al-Andalus.

    It is ironic that under the Abbasid islamic scholars would debate ideas such as Aristotle's logic which in Europe was considered heretical. Sadly, The reverse is true today.

  • GodForum that's an ignoratio elenchi. but nice try.

  • Try "The God Delusion" by R. Dawkins.

  • you have make a dangerous statement.

  • He didn't make a dangerous statement. Just think about what a lame statement people usually make when they end it with "End of story"

  • Well said, as the 9th century Persian Skeptic Muhammad al Warraq said "people developed the science of astronomy by gazing at the sky, and no prophet was necessary to show them how to gaze." If there really was a spiritual need to worship one way or another, the urge would be as natural as hunger. No one, so far as I know, ever went to war over how to interpret the urge of hunger.

  • cant we all just get along?

  • I wish.