JFK assassination witness Sam Holland describes what he seen from the triple underpass

[TheSmokinBear]

Amazing how people are so quick to dismiss any possibility that there were other shooters, even with solid evidence proving that JFK died from the frontal head shot. The Mannlicher-Carcano bolt action rifle was nicknamed the "Humane weapon" because you couldn't hit anything with it, plus a tree blocked the 80 yard distance from the 'sniper's nest' at the depository. Too many witnesses, including Lee Bowers saw riflemen behind the fence, heard shots and saw smoke from that location. Read +THINK

[GameLover903]

what year was this taken in dealey plaza?

[RAREpicture]

Why they killed him ?

[Stillwater900]

What he "seen" ?? You sound like a total hick "I seen this, We seen that." ITS "SAW"!!!!!

[cruisersism]

These Evil LBJ statements WE believe refers to the murder of JFK

"It is the Melancholy law of human societies to be compeled sometimes to chose a great evil in order to ward off a greater evil"

YOU want to see a guilty MAN? check this out , = LBJ coments on JFK assasination 1969.wmv

LBJ Evil joke about JFK

"I told? him that morning at breakfast...Son, I'm afraid this just ant' your day. Your going to the morgue and I'm going back to the White House"

JFK

J ustice

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K ennedy

[interstategar]

numerous people saw smoke behind the fence coinciding with the head shot but the Warren Commision chose not to put them in their report. No trial for this murder, just a report. A coincidence? Go to the 6th floor Museum today, and the Oswald lone shooter is the blasted propaganda you'll see. And this is a national historical site. I asked the curator why the conspiracy position isn't displayed, he said that that can be seen a few blocks away. He is displaying history. The lie lives on...

[66ott7]

The same white chevrolet bowers saw from the tower. Interesting.

[mrfester42]

I've read almost every book about the JFK assassination in my 46 years of interest on the subject. The answers and truth about the assassination are in two books. Read "Ultimate Sacrifice" by Lamar Waldron and Files on JFK (I forget the author) about mafia hitman James Files. You'll discover, among other head spinning facts, that Oswald was an American patriot who had nothing to do with it. He was exactly what he claimed to be. A patsy! Not enough space here. Read the books!

[PabloPena108]

It just amazes me that people can believe this single shooter theory. How can people be so stupid?? He outperforms FBI sharp shooters, he denies the crime (even though he does it for notoriety), the top 2 scientific firms agree of a shot from the front, he was eating his lunch when Kennedy as SCHEDULED to have come through Dealy Plaza WTF??? There has to be a way to make money off such stupid people. Oh yeah, it's called writing a book good jub V. Bugliosi!

[mrfester42]

@PabloPena108 Learning in detail about the assassination will also teach you a great deal about human nature. People, and I mean everyone, often see what is not there and likewise don't see what is right in front of them. Another way of saying it is that what we believe often has little to do with hard cold facts. We choose what we believe regardless of facts.

[scrollandkey]

The shooter was in the storm drain on elm street.

[BrodyLuv2]

The death shot came directly from under the bridge this interview begins with.

[TheDudleyheathens]

files is a prick, he liar and just want to get famous

[mrfester42]

@TheDudleyheathens Maybe that's all true BUT... what about the shell casing with the teeth marks? That in itself is irrefutable evidence to the truth of his story.

[shakercoola]

By the time the police motorcycleman got behind that fence James Files was well past the pergola (there is a photo of a figure of a man who looks like he is carrying something past the pergola). There were several teams.If you listen to Files you realise the guy was an expert marksman recruited by Nicoletti. I think he probably ran for 20-30 yards and then walked in front of the TSBD (matching what Mary Moorman and JC Price said albeit off record).

[mrfester42]

@shakercoola Yes, I've read those things and in my 46 years of reading on the subject, that is truth my friend. Sadly, most Americans and also those on this forum wont read all the details and will dismiss what you say here thinking that the handfull of facts that they are aware of is all they need to know to ignore you. The mafia was in with the CIA to kill Castro and killed JFK knowing the govt. would cover it up for their own reasons. The most successful and ingenious crime in history!

[themeaningoflife38]

JC Price saw a man run from the fence right after the shooting.He ran behind the TSBD building.Deputy Seymour Weitzman found Bernard Barker(Bay of Pigs vet) behind the fence claiming to be Secret Service.Officer DV Harkness found 3 men behind the TSBD who also claimed to be Secret Service.Harkness told the WC he never verified thier identity.THe Secret Service has always mantained that they had NO agents on the ground in Dealey Plaza that day.

[DannyBruiz]

And by the way, pattoncarter, where did you get the idea that hitting a target moving at 15mph in a straight path is a hard target. Most hunters have to shoot a deer or prey running at 20-30 mph and dodging and weaving as they run. If anyone is horeshit, it's you.

You need to check your facts dude!

[DannyBruiz]

I don't think the assassin planned or expected Zapruder to be there.

Like DOH! How would he know Zapruder was gonna show up.

The same applies to him having a cigarette while he was chilling. Smoking is like acting normal.

What a couple of dorks!

[mrfester42]

@DannyBruiz It obviously made no difference to the planners of the assassination that someone like Zapruder might be there. Here it is almost 50 years later and certainly his film and other evidence that you would think are just as important haven't carried enough weight to officially solve the crime.  I've said it before. The JFK assassination was the most brazen and masterfully ingenious crimes in American history. All this irrefutable evidence and still it is not officially solved.

[frankdrebin]

@mrfester42 It's officially solved and has been. Because 90% of whats been written or spun in documentaries has been pro-conspiracy, not to mention Oliver stone, doesn't change the facts.

People simply cannot or will not accept the fact that a lunatic loser like Oswald could have such a profound effect on history. In the end Oswald got exactly what he wanted.

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin Sheep.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 The naive child like notion, that a conspiracy involving so many agencies and individuals could be kept secret, w/o a shred of proof emerging for 50 years. Only perpetuated by authors who distort the truth, or completely ignore real evidence for speculation and total bullshit. In doing so, do exactly what they accuse the government of doing. And you call me a sheep? It's the other way around my little hominid friend. baaaa....baaaaa... you poor fuckin bastard.

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin An adroit way to exhibiting a calm and intelligent side of debate on your behalf. You surely are a person who endorses that people should believe their government never lies. Maybe you would prefer it if anyone who shall think otherwise would be locked up or executed.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 To the contrary, I take pride in the fact I live in a country that promotes debate, and so permits it's citizens to question it's integrity w/o being persecuted. Does our government keep secrets? Yes. But by design our country also has oversight of each branch. Our country is also 2 party system. You don't think that in 50 years one party would have exposed the other for this alleged conspiracy, or cover up? His own brother was AG, was he in on it, too? Is Obama?

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 Each subsequent administration, FBI director, CIA director, acting AG, etc etc would have to carry on the "conspiracy" or cover up. You have a right to dissent in this country, you can believe what ever the hell you want. Hell Oswald did, he even renounced his citizenship, and was allowed back. You can even write a book a/b it, and draw an income from it, the american way. No black helicopters will come after you. But you also have a right to use your fuckin brain if you have one.

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin Use my brain? Dont use such examples as that everyone would have to be in on it, because that is absolute bollox. I am not some whack-job i dont take every bit of information as truth, i make up my own mind by studying up on the facts. You strike me as a blissfully ignorant person, enjoy getting ass-raped by your government if you love them so much.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 You deny the obvious, as agencies who normally hate each other would have to work in concert to pull off a cover up, or conspiracy. And you call me blissfully ignorant? It's a simple fact. I can see now you're from the UK? You don't take every bit of info as truth? That's good. Meanwhile you can't find your ass w/ directions. Try getting around the fact every bullet or fragment found came from Oswald's rifle. Once you skip that part, sure, Prince Charles could have done it. baaa

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin You seem to have an aura of arrogance about yourself. Do you think you're better than everyone and must save all the dotterel people from themsleves for you are thou great saviour? I am not along the lines of these extremists that wont face facts, but i also dont take everything supposed to be fact at face value. Also i have something of importance in relation to those bullet fragments of which you speak as this only allows 500 characters. p.s i am not from the UK nor am i English.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 It's not arrogance you're detecting. It's the facts I'm laying out which conspiracy fruit cakes cannot overcome. If more people understood that, far less would believe there was a conspiracy, or 2nd shooter in the JFK assassination. Simple as that. Exactly why you're doing everything you can to cast doubt on the only physical evidence ever recovered in the assassination. Again, why would you plant a bullet before you knew exactly what other evidence would be found?

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin Lovely insults, and why are you putting myslef in the same category as those people you spend your time arguing with? I never mentioned a second shooter or anything to that affect. And i have no agenda other than i dont want the truth to be swept under the rug, and if governments lie to us then people should know. Also if you read the message i sent you before you answer then maybe you wont have such an empty and attacking spat at myself.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 Yeah, anyway. Our Government has secrets, absolutely. Do politicians lie? Like rugs. But each branch of our government has oversight. Even the CIA has oversight. That's the genius of our system above and beyond any other. Any 10th or 11th grade HS student could figure out that if a one credible shred of evidence in 80 years emerged, the opposing political party would absolutely destroy the other, and expose any conspiracy or cover up. Why there were two investigations.

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin Alright lets say you're absolutly right, which would be great in my eyes, because it seems an easier truth to swallow. But lying to it's people and getting away with it due to cover ups is what America does better than anyone, i;m actually impressed by the skill of it all, it's steeped in history, what do you make of the details of 1898 maine explosion, 1941 pearl harbour, 1962 operation northwoods, 1964 gulf of tonkin and recently the september 11, 2001 attacks. etc. etc.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 Now I'm embarrassed I ever discussed anything w/ you.

Christ, man.

[philyB08]

@frankdrebin Oh seriously get off your pedestal and stop acting so high and mighty, you're just some uneducated havoc. You honestly dont even know of the gulf of tonkin of 1964 in which the government later admitted years later was a false flag movement for Vietnam? Now my time is wasted upon a person who is too blind to and lazy to go look up facts so readyily available.

[frankdrebin]

@philyB08 Pearl Harbor and 9-11?

Yeah, you're wasting your time there, crazy train.  Educated? Where were you educated? National Enquirer University? You couldn't rebut a single fact I presented to you. Now Bin Laden, KSM, and Mohammad Atta are the patsies? Children like you need this stuff to suffice for reality. As reality is far too complex and frightening for your child like mind to cope. It's ok, the adults will always be here to protect you. Stay away from sharp objects, sweetie.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin yeah frank keep watching Fox news.....your right frank conspiracies never existed, they were always a figment of everyone imagination frank.

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 it's "you're" you fucking mushroom. And, you have to throw out all real evidence (i.e. Oswald's rifle, prints, bullets from his rifle, fact he worked at the TSBD, fact he was a wacko). Furthermore have the child like belief that the Secret Service, CIA, FBI, a supreme court judge, Kennedy's own family would/could all work together to conceal a plot, or cover up, to kill their own president. Just remember schizophrenia is degenerative, so it's only going to get worse.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin to convince the public that oswald did this by himself....and now all you good citizens can go back to ur lives working and paying your taxes. We've got this....no need to worry....

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin the hsca concluded that there was a conspiracy, mr. frank.......

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 Based on flawed evidence later completely discredited. The dictabelt recording which didn't record the assassination at all.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin hey frank.....can you explain to me why 2 men were behind the knoll fence waiting for motorcade to come by.....if u were about to see the prez up close (a once in a lifetime event for most of us} wouldnt u go out to the curb to get the best view up close? lee bowers saw these men and then "a flash of light and smoke, something i couldnt explain" then bowers watched as the biker cop rode up the incline and confronted the two men....and you know what they showed ss credentials frank..

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 It had to be two professional assassins, who from all indications missed their shots, or it could have been two people simply watching the motorcade like everyone else.

Maybe the smoke came from vintage muskets they used to honor thanksgiving, huh?

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin the throat wound was frontal knoll shot, the back wound was from 6th floor,next shot 6th floor, clipped connelly, last shot was head shot from knoll.......dont know about smoke i do know about many hearing knoll shot.......

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 knoll shot on Kennedy would have put a wound on the LEFT REAR or left side of his head. If not completely blowing his head off. Even smart conspiracy fruitcakes have abandoned the knoll shooter, or "badgeman". You're not very smart.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin first of all badgeman is a creation with shadows......the real guys were the ones standing behind the fence that lee bowers saw......you r such atypical defender of what you perceive as the truth........because you like all conservatives do not want to hear the truth.....

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin knoll shot did exactly what it did to kennedys head..........throat wound was an entrance...check out testimony of parkland staff describing wounds.....

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin what smart conspiracy fruitcakes do you know.....kennedys head went back and to the left as did a hunk of his skull which ended up on the grass to kennedys left brain tissue and blood struck the biker cops behind him to the left that he thought he might have been shot also.......you must be knew at this....what r you doing jerking off to bugliosis book????

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 I saw Bugliousi speak in college. Total arrogant ass. He's just as guilty w/ exploiting this horrible crime as the conspiracy wackos who have made a living writing books and poisoning people w/ total bullshit.  I don't need anyone's book to figure out what happened. Neither do you. I once believed there was a conspiracy like every one else. Then I actually read both investigations and found the only real liars are the conspiracy authors, etc. Try it, if you dare.

[66ott7]

@frankdrebin Then what do you say about Holland's testimony here? Was he delusional? Hard to ignore this or dismiss it.

[frankdrebin]

@66ott7 Talk to a professional investigator you trust a/b the reliability of eyewitness testimony some time. You'll be surprised to hear it isn't very reliable. Puff of smoke? Talk to someone who knows something a/b firearms as well. What was the shooter using? A musket? Or could he just have heard the supersonic crack of oswald's bullets, and then the report of the rifle? As well as witnessed someone smoking a cigarette? btw a knoll shot doesn't jive w/ the medical evidence.

[66ott7]

@frankdrebin I think 51 people have 100 percent verified a shot or shots came from there. I say i think cuz it could be more. Its at least 51 if my memory is accurate. So? I duno? If that many people who were there say that such as S.M Holland who said "there is no doubt in my mind a shot came from there", its hard to take your word for it.

[frankdrebin]

@66ott7 And, if he was hearing the supersonic crack of the bullet passing from the TSBD, he's still wrong. But you go right ahead. Again, medical evidence doesn't back up a knoll shooter, and never has. Unless you're one of the lunatics who also believes someone "moved" the wounds.

[66ott7]

@frankdrebin I personally do not think the head shot came from the front. No question about that. It did come from behind. Kennedy's throat wound was a entry wound. You gonna tell me ALL the parkalnd doctors made a false diagnosis of the the wound? Granted they weren't performing an autopsy. Rather they were trying to revive the president. But none of them regarded that wound as anything but a wound of entry. Oswald angle could not exit from right side of head. It should go staright

[frankdrebin]

@66ott7 Yes, I am, and the MD's from Parkland, at least the most famous ones quoted admitted to such. It's right here on youtube - PBS who shot kennedy. Look it up, you said it yourself, they were giving life saving measures, not performing an autopsy. They didn't examine the head wound, the 1st lady was sitting right there, how could they? The neck wound they opened to insert a trach. They never saw the wound in his upper back at all. Well, one claims to have, but after the fact.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin yeah, but the staff spoke afterwards.....back of head blown out.... entrance wound in throat.....and while I'm at it frank, how come many witnesses testified that the shots sounded like BANG.............BANG,BANG! can you explain that please

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 The MD's in dallas were never aware of the wound in JFK's upper back. The pathologist in Dallas didn't knw the opening in the neck started out as a bullet wound and was widened for a tracheotomy. Even MD's make mistakes. Like the back of his head. Likely brain tissue stuck to his hair and swelling. Only scalp was keeping his head together at all. Back of his skull shattered, upper right side blown out. Dallas MD's never examined his head or explored his wound.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin throat wound and temple wound from front, hole in winshield examined and was an entrance hole.....i know you dont want to believe this frank but Mr. O was the fall guy for this hit.......conspiracies always existed in this world and they always will.......

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 Only in conspiracy land.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin yes, what was i thinking......conspiracies havnt existed throughout history......wow! Frank, Wow!

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 Gotcha, so you're another 911 wacko, too? Or WMD in iraq wacko? UFO's and area 51?

Stop wasting my time, and remember, if the shiny part of the tin foil is facing outward, the NSA can't hear your thoughts. May the force be w/ you... always.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin ok and Bang...............Bang Bang to you Frank!

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 The witnesses who heard an abrupt "bang" and then another "bang" were witnesses between Oswald and JFK. They simply heard the supersonic crack of the bullet, as the bullet breaks the sound barrier, followed by the sound of Oswald actually firing the shot.  Something you only hear when near, or in the path of a bullet. Standing behind a shooter at the range, you won't hear it. Simple explanation.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin maybe you should check out Lee Bowers interview with Mark lane, Bowers was in the Rail Road watch tower behind the TSBD in the parking lot...no where near the shooting....Bang...........Ban­g,Bang

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin Its not simple Because now you r eliminating one actual shot.....that verifies more than 3 shots Frank....

[frankdrebin]

@66ott7 Also, if the neck wound was an entry wound, how was the limo glass only damaged on the inside? Thought to be a bullet fragment from JFK's head. Wouldn't the shooter have to have shot through the windshield to line up w/ JFK's back wound? Sorry, never heard that one, and it just doesn't make sense. All the evidence points to one guy, and always has, no matter how much people want to distort and twist the facts.

[66ott7]

@frankdrebin Look, i can bet you read or at least watched Bugliosi's. Lets be real here and at least concede this to me, its all still a theory. Even the Warren report is a theory. The evidence is overwhelming that Oswald had unusual associates. Its a fact he knew Shaw, Bannister, Demornshildt, Ferry, anti Castro cubans etc... He had FBI and CIA contacts. There is a lot of doubt, reasonable doubt. U belive ruby killed him to spare Jacky out of grief? I think the WC is a conspiracy.

[frankdrebin]

@66ott7 Ruby killed Oswald b/c he was yet another wannabe, just like Oswald, who wanted to be a somebody. No one wants to admit a loser like Oswald could have such a profound effect on history. Further, another total loser like Ruby, could help perpetuate all the conspiracy theories to date. He had a file at the fbi b/c he went to Russia. He had a file at the cia b/c he was a communist, and he went to Russia. Know what was in the file? A profile that said he was useless to the cia.

[wizardoflawz]

@frankdrebin and we should just take your word for that? if thats all it was it would have been released a long time ago

[frankdrebin]

@wizardoflawz Beleive what you want. You'd think a former marine w/ radar experience would be valuable to the Soviets. But they figured out he was a total fuck knuckle, weren't going to let him stay, and LHO slit his wrists in a hotel. Yeah, real james bond he was. He was making minimum wage at the TSBD, the guy couldn't even drive a car. You think the cia recruits at walmart? This guy was gomer pile from full metal jacket, except he didn't shoot his drill instructor.

[wizardoflawz]

@frankdrebin so you contend he slit his wrists and failed at suicide, and then executed JFK by shooting him using a rifle that nobody has found suitable to the task? You are RIGHT, he wasn't competent enough to get off those shots.

[frankdrebin]

@wizardoflawz Really? Another lie. FBI shooters hit all the targets, but missed the dime sized aiming points Oswald hit. Conspiracy wackos love to leave out things like that. One guy did it in 5 seconds. With a scope. Oswald probably didn't use a scope at all, and simply employed his iron sights, as he was trained to by the USMC. Competent human being, not really. Ability to make those shots? No doubt. He also practiced w/ that rifle, including rapid fire. Keep trying.

[frankdrebin]

@66ott7 Nope, never read his book, why should I? It's all right there in the WC testimony and the HSCA. They're all lies? Why? B/c a conspiracy author says so? What else are they going to say? Saw bugliosi speak in college, thought the guy was an arrogant asshole. In the end he's no better than the conspiracy people, especially the authors. All they're doing is turning a buck exploiting the natural willingness of people to distrust the government and beleive a conspiracy theory

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin there was a hole through the windshield from the front. his throat wound was also an entrance wound......as witnessed by many medical staff at parkland.....

[migo53333]

@migo53333 I think I'll stick with the medical Pros at Parkland.........

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 who admitted they were wrong, and that they never examind the head wound.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin they all admitted they were wrong? wow Frank i just realized that you dont really know much about the witness details of this case

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 All four who viewed autopsy photos admitted they were mistaken, yes. The most famous and most quoted by conspiracy fruitbats, being Jenkins.

[frankdrebin]

@frankdrebin The MD's at Parkland, in a pbs special, where they were permitted by the kennedy family to view autopsy photos not released to the public. It's right here on youtube. Stop sounding like a complete imbecile and watch it. Of course people like you will cling to what they said while performing life saving measures on a dying man. They weren't performing an autopsy.

[66ott7]

@frankdrebin by the way, his observations match that of Lee Bowers. Two men and the white Chevrolet.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin FRANK, FIND ANOTHER HOBBY....YOU REALLY SUCK AT THIS......

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin no one has abandoned the theory frank.....check ou mark lane interviewing lee bowers about the two men standing behind the knoll fence....

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin I dont know about muskets, Im not a pilgrim......i do know that i would stand behind a fence to watch the prez go by 30 feet away......and i wouldnt have ss credentials on me either.....check out a real player in history.....E howard hunts deathbed confession.....and explain it to me...

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 Another wacko who became a bigger wacko before he died.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin hey frank lets hear some more expertise and explain the james tague trajectory that doesnt line up with sixth floor shooter......

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 A piece of curbstone hit him from a likely ricochet, as lee harvey missed his first shot, not rocket science. 

Duh.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin when was the tague shot fired oh frank the expert???

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin curb that fragged from shot was tested for metal composition by the fbi, guess what frank, no traces of copper....oswalds bullets were full copper jackets......shot came from daltex,,,,,drum roll please the fbi accidently through the results in the garbage....

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin hey frank, i cant argue with you anymore i checked out your info page and i have to respect you for liking ice hockey(my son played for years) and the stone temple pilots, one of my favorite bands!!!!

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 Played my whole life. Hockey is the greatest sport in the world, played by warriors, who walk on water, carry what most would call a weapon, and never ever quit. STP is great. What the hell happened to good music after them, right?

See? I am human. ^ -

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin riddle me this batman, why would oswald line up the three shell casings perfectly at the 6th floor window........

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 Who says he did? Fire 3 rounds from any static weapon, and the shells will likely all end up in roughly the same place. And, they didn't "line up" two were next to each other, a third was inches away.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin Frank.....what about the james tague bullet that struck the curb 400 feet down at the overpass,shattering the curb and cutting his cheek.....trajectory does not line up to 6th floor. but lines up perfectly with daltex shooter, the curb was analyzed by fbi lab using electrolisis equipment there were no traces of copper found, guess what frank......the bullets that they say oswald fired were copper jackets!

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin continued.....and you no what frank! the test results were accidently thrown in the garbage......

[frankdrebin]

@migo53333 No, you're talking a/b the autopsy notes which were burned due blood getting on them, and out of respect for the president.

[migo53333]

@frankdrebin oh ok.....lol the autopsy notes of the crime of the fucking century are destroyed because they go blood on them.......wow....frank the brooklyn bridge is for sale...you want to buy it....

[Obelisk2290]

why whould anyone be out in the open by Zapruder It was LHO all alone

[funkmasterjee]

I believe Sam Holland saw exactly what he said he did, but what I don't understand is the "puff of smoke". In 1963 guns had been smokeless almost 100 years. Either he mistook a muzzle flash for a brief 'puff of smoke' or there was a 2 man team (one covering the other's back ?) at the picket fence and one was smoking a cigarette or it was a specialist kit rifle with special ammo. The shooter stood on the bumper up against the fence then put the rifle in the trunk of his car and drove off

[pattoncarter]

@funkmasterjee - the problem with your speculation is that another witness who would have clearly seen that happen, Lee Bowers, saw nothing of the kind. he saw no one at the picket fence, no gun, no shot, no car, and no one drive away. Try again.

[adoseofsanity]

@pattoncarter

Abraham Zapruder and other witnesses on the knoll would have been only a few feet away from the grassy knoll shooter. Why would an assassin hide right there?

Zapruder was standing on a concrete plinth right smack in front of the sniper's line of sight. The limosine was passing from left to right in front of him. It is extremely hard to hit a moving target at close range moving right to left. The grassy knoll assassin theory is horseshit. I can't believe anybody took it serious. lol

[buttknuckle55]

@pattoncarter Lee Bowers interview is available on Youtube. It's called Witness Lee Bowers. He claims he saw a flash or what appeared to be smoke from the grassy knoll. The Warren Comission forgot to include that. Also, simultaneous shots were heard, Inconsistent with one shooter theory. I'm no conspiracy nut, and always believed Oswald did it. But the more your read and listen to interviews, the more that theory sounds like bs.

[adoseofsanity]

@funkmasterjee

Why the fuck would a professional assassin smoke a fucking cigarette if he didn't want to be seen behind the picket fence? Why the fuck would you need two men behind the picket fence? Why the fuck would an assassin hide behind the picket fence which can be overlooked by people standing on the bridge and would have been only standing a few feet away from witnesses on the knoll? The grassy knoll theory is fucking bullshit. It's absolutely fucking ridiculous.

[freddycupples]

@adoseofsanity why do you have such a filthy mouth (or fingers)? Do you think it makes your disinfo lies more convincing? Sorry, big fail!!

[PabloPena108]

@adoseofsanity Dude you need to relax and think clearly. The mafia is used to sending someone into a restaurant walking right up to a guy and shooting him in the face while EVERYBODY is watching. It has been documented many times. So taking these kind of risks is not unusual for them. Also You would need 2 guys because one is a scout making sure to keep other pain in the ass witnesses away. Several witnesses have testified to be turned away from the grassy knoll area by Secret Service personnel.

[PabloPena108]

@adoseofsanity And if you can't stand the thought of B.S. then how in the world can you swallow the pristine bullet theory? The original round weighs roughly 165 grains the specimen CE399 weighed 157 grains. The ONLY way the Army could achieve this little loss of material (in tests they fired) was by shooting into cotton wadding. The US Army was EMPHATIC that there was NO POSSIBILITY of a lone shooter without assistance. The W.C. said the army test were "inconclusive", lol yeah.

[pattoncarter]

Yeah, forget about all that pesky physical evidence that contradicts eyewitnesses, because eyewitnesses always get it exactly right, especially in the heat of the moment.

Modern rifles puffing smoke? LOL. No shooter found. No gun found. No shells found. Riiiight!

[funkmasterjee]

@pattoncarter No one is saying that eyewitnesses always get it right but when you build an overall impression from multiple witnesses many of which suggest more than one firing position you have to conclude that either the Warren commission was incredibly inept OR had agreed to or been instructed to rubber stamp Oswald as the 'Lone Nut'.

There are several things (too many to list here) that do not add up with the official version and this is not the only witness that contradicts it

[pattoncarter]

@funkmasterjee - What you don't seem to understand is that you are picking 'gnat $4i7 out of pepper'...you're picking and choosing which witnesses you choose to believe. The overwhelming majority of witnesses...even grassy knoll witnesses...heard only three shots...and even more heard ALL shots from one direction ONLY. So, for the conspiracy theory to be true...YOU have to dismiss the testimony of an overwhelming majority of the witnesses...so go ahead...tout that eyewitness testimony.

[Obelisk2290]

zapruder did not hear a sot and he was closer

[Doug41160]

is this interview available on any current selling dvd?

[kodiakbeer1]

NO hightechinvestigation needed NO high intelligence needed NO exploding cokebottle NO complex statement NO rumours NO razzle dazzle NO money NO mistaken NO changing NO  other interests NO other options NO dandy NO publicity

Better believe him and his co workers

[mmangum4444]

@kodiakbeer1

yes, these are ordinary, hard working Americans, with no hidden agenda.They know what they saw and heard. And the mainstream media continues to ignore all the credible evidence, such as this.

[kodiakbeer1]

@mmangum4444 Agree .This is clear first hand information from him and tod, jc price and others and co workers who all agreed at this.point

but according to : they were liars,cheating and mistaken all in a row

can we imagiane that ????

than they should be put in jail for that !!.

it,s like a footbalmatch if you don,t take your chances you loose the match

these guy,s should have been on the johny carson show when the sup was stil HOT this was likely the biggest chance off them all