Magic Johnson Circus Shot around Michael Jordan vs.Bulls [Game 4-'91 Finals]

[Pamballa010]

that was def. like MAgic :) soo amazing :')

XD

[tripdogz]

Magic was the best! If you don't think so......Look up his rookie year game 7.

[ncjackson1958]

Don't care what anyone else says

Jordan is the greatest <3

Happy Birthday Michael Jordan <3

[venuecam]

Only one player could beat MJ...(E)MJ

[redeyed28]

magic has aids



[megatroll]

@redeyed28

Your mom has AIDS too, because Magic fucked her in the ass.

[23ISLIFE]

@megatroll lmao calm down "Mega Troll gtf kid

[Dian3091]

Can't blame The 60s and 70s players for what they accomplished in their time! And don't ever say what if Kobe,Lebron,Howard, Wade,Paul and Durant were to play in the 60s 70s 80s or even 90s, who would win, this guys or Magic, MJ, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, Bird,Thomas,Drexler,and Hakeen!!

[emncaity]

@Dian3091

I'm taking '80s and early '90s.

[littleprincess217]

typical MJ reaching in with no foul called.

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 So what is your criteria for determining the greatest ever?

[jrooksable]

I'll tell you how he did that! he's MagicJohnson! Mike ain't got nothin' on the Magic Man!

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 And Jordan played in a watered down expansion league, also in the 72-win year the 3pt line was shortened which helped Chicago's perimeter oriented offense considerably. If his title teams were put in the 80s, I doubt he could win even a ring.

[ChillyCloth]

@qyxzz

ya ikr, the 90's Knicks defense isn't even half of what went around in the NBA of the 70's with coke heads running around playing a combination of basketball and hockey type hits with no foul calls.

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 You should understand I'm not lifting Magic over Jordan in the 'GOAT' comparison. I'm just saying he's much more versatile and a better TEAM player, as he can do everything as good as anyone.

Jordan is NOT the scoring GOAT, Wilt is. Wilt bested Jordan's career high 37.1 ppg year THREE TIMES. Jordan never even had a 70 pt game. The reason Wilt doesn't have a career 40 ppg is because his coaches told him to pass off more, he even led the league in assists at one point.

[ChillyCloth]

@qyxzz

Maybe it's because Wilt is an overrated self centered tub of fuck? And Jordan had more range than Wilt would ever have had?

[qyxzz]

@ChillyCloth So? Kobe has more range than Jordan, is he any better?

And Jordan wasn't self-centered LOL? He's one of the most ego driven players ever. One of the best ever too, but I don't think Wilt ever.. say punched his teammate in the face?

[ChillyCloth]

@qyxzz

I was saying Wilt is self centered, not Jordan, Jordan had a different type of self centeredness to him that was a good type of self centered, unlike Wilt's.

[qyxzz]

@ChillyCloth Good type? How is being an egoistical prick in any way a good thing? You wanna be the man, yes, but if you're the best on your team and in the league you HAVE to be the man and carry your team. Mental toughness =/= selfishness.

Jordan was an asshole, period. Wilt may have been selfish, but he did what he was asked of. He gave up his scoring titles. When he played with a REAL coach, he got his titles. If Jordan had shitty coaches, he'd be a loser. No Phil, no rings.

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@qyxzz If this If that. What if kobe had a stroke. What if Kareem retired earlier. What if this. What if that. Fact of the matter is, Phil was there. And unless you got a time machine to shoot phil in the head before he became a coach then everything you say is irrelevant. Jordan was a great player. So great that he still has lovers and haters till this day. So shut up with your weak arguments.

[yt87654]

Who is Michael Jordan?

[148word]

HOW DID HE DO THAT? one word: AIDS!

[FeedMrAwesome]

UNCLE MAAAAGIC!!

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

wait who won the series again?? oh thats right, jordan put the whoopin on em.. hmmm.

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 The Lakers battled injuries. And either way, if any Jordan team faced Magic AND Kareem, they would get destroyed.

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@qyxzz no excuses. wins are wins. you can't just say what if scenarios. Take it as it is and the fact is the bulls won that year.

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 Yes, but winning a title does not lift a player over another. If Magic and Jordan had identical supporting casts, I doubt Jordan would win prime vs prime. That's hypothetical of course, but compared to Magic, all Jordan can really do is score points, whereas Magic just might be the most versatile player ever.

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@qyxzz can only score? yes his 10 years of scoring titles and various records make him unquestionably the greatest scorer of all time, but i don't see magic having a defensive title. jordan averaged 5 assists a game while scoring that many so it's not like he doesn't pass. Remember magic is 6 ft 9. he's got 3 inches on jordan, so of course he's gonna have more rebounds. Supporting cast? Chicago owns 3 of the top ten best records in a season. Magic's team isn't even on that list. Winning matters.

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@qyxzz Also, you can not possibly say if they have the same supporting cast because Magic has all the chemistry with those men. Those men were drafted, traded, signed, to go around magic. Same with Jordan, so it is not a good hypothetical reasoning to have the same players on the team because the team's skill sets would off set their own skills and would benefit one more than the other. No matter which way you rate it. Team or individual. Jordan wins. That's why jordan is ranked best.

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@qyxzz I am also not a Magic hater. Althought i believe Jordan is the best of all time like most people in the NBA world would believe, I believe unquestionably that Magic is the greatest Point Guard of all time, but when you watch Jordan play, no one plays with more intensity and the drive to want to win every single game like mike.

[ChillyCloth]

@CrazybeatsFire1217

Yup, whatever happened between the Lakers and the Kings in the 2002 playoffs were all wins, wins are wins, nothing else....

[ChillyCloth]

@CrazybeatsFire1217

By that logic, I guess Magic Johnson is the better basketball player because it took 7 years for Jordan to win his first championship, yet Magic Johnson won a championship his rookie season, not to mention playing the center position and becoming the first and only player in NBA history to win NBA Finals MVP?

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@ChillyCloth First off. First and only player in NBA history to win NBA Finals MVP... You are a fool for that one. Ruins your credibility don't you think? You sound like a fool. You mean first and only rookie to win Finals MVP. Michael Jordan is the one and only 6x Finals MVP. So you can suck on that. Jordan was the man for all those years. Remember he retired in his prime too. No doubt the 2 seperate Three Peats would be a solid 8. No one at the time came close to Jordan n The Bull's Dominance

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 Nobody in the 90s dominated like the Bulls true. But all-time? Uh uh. Jordan and his team are not the best/dominant ever.

As for the Finals MVPs.. Bill Russell didn't get the first F. MVP, but he was the backbone of TEN other title teams. You think he wouldn't have more than 6? The damn award is named after him. They won 11 in 13 years. Jordan =/= GOAT.

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@qyxzz Do not bring Bill into this. I am a Celtic fan. Period. At least compare guards with guards and Big men with Big men. Bill came from a time in the pioneer days when there was maybe 2 or 3 other guys other than Bill and Wilt that could play well as a big man that some might remember today. 90s Bulls has 3 of the top 5 winning seasons in all of history, so yes they are the best in history. Do your research before you talk.

[qyxzz]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 Wilt and Bill had no competition? Alright, that makes sense, cause the league was stacked with Kobe's and Wade's when Jordan was in his prime, right?

The Bulls played in an EXPANSION league. They wasted shitty teams and so they got their epic w/l records. They dominated yes, but they can't even TOUCH Russell's Celtics.

And why guards with guards only? Do you get extra points when you make a shot cause you're smaller?

[ChillyCloth]

@CrazybeatsFire1217

So you understand that Wilt and Bill played in a league with the majority of players being nonathletic under averaged White guys, so what you're saying is that if Bill and Wilt came later, they wouldn't be as great? True, as they were ahead of their time...

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@ChillyCloth Yes of course. I know my NBA history. Wilt and Bill played against No one. You can't name me many players outside the Original Celtics and sixers/warriors at the time. They were towering giants. Probably only 3 no more than 4 players were over the 7 foot limit. The average height was around 6 foot then. You base most of your argument on what if scenarios which are nothing more than what if scenarios. Which make your argument look appealing, but have no relevance

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@ChillyCloth Why not put Lebron back in the 50s and 60s or Shaq in the 50s and 60s? Shaq or Olajuwan would have been even more dominating that Wilt and Bill. The MVP trophy is named after Bill because he was the first true champ in history. No denying that. Original Celtics are the pioneer team, yet without a doubt if you put Miami Heat and their athleticism and modern knowledge of how to play the game and with 50 years of evolution of the game ahead of Bill's time, would dominate.

[truknayr23]

@CrazybeatsFire1217 IF you put Lebron in the 50's???? LOL! he'd be called for travelling all the time!!!!

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@truknayr23 Yet another Lebron Travel joke.. ahaha. I'm more of a wade fan myself. If anything I would trade lebron for Howard

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@ChillyCloth This is why you can only compare time frames based on what they did as accomplishments at the time. Bill may be the backbone for the greatest championship run of all time, yet statistics don't lie when you have 90s Bulls owning half of the top 10 best records of all time. Also Jordan has the longest list of accomplishments in his career. You can't throw in bull about rule changes. You are comparing stats and records and awards. You are not comparing What IF.

[ChillyCloth]

@CrazybeatsFire1217

Lol. Oops, yeah I met to say rookie haha. :p

[ChillyCloth]

@CrazybeatsFire1217

Man, you should've responded quicker, I had so much more energy last night trolling all over youtube, I feel all tired now :/

[CrazybeatsFire1217]

@ChillyCloth we should team troll this qyxzz guy. He is spouting nonsense. At least You can't argue with submitted stats when i respond

[ChillyCloth]

@CrazybeatsFire1217

Lol.

[Elbarto564]

you reach, I teach

[jiujitsujedi]

@nateeeeKB24 You forget that it was all man to man no zone, so the 3 second defensive violation did not exist cause it was illegal to play zone. He shot that good cause he drove 80 percent of the time to the bucket. He was not a great shooter. He was a good mid range shooter, and a very bad 3 point shooter. The league even moved the 3pt line closer yet he still did not improve his accuracy. Had the league have a zone defense he would have scored less.

[BenMasterz23]

Look at Mike's arm on Magic. A foul in todays new rules pussy era.

These were the good old days!

[ProperPiff]

Gotta love Magic.

[thkalas]

Magic fucks Jordan and Pippen.

[ColaMaster11]

sloppy.....

[salarmander27]

@ColaMaster11 and he made it. reason why it's called a circus shot.

[Muawiye]

I DONT KNOW ABOUT CHARLES BUT KARL IS BETTER THEN MAGIC AND BIRD

[cbaldwinjr]

@Muawiye I don't know about retarded, but Muawiye was dropped on his head as a baby.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

Jordan would have won 9 rings had his father not been murdered. He left basketball for 3 years.

[miafins11]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus he missed 1 1/2 seasons, the entire '94 season and half of '95, came back full time in '96

[pastorfw]

Magic Johnson is the greatest basketball players of all time. He is far and away the best team player ever, and he was one of the biggest winners in the history of the league. During his career, he led the Lakers to nine Finals appearances in the toughest era of all time—the '80s—while winning five of them. His career averages are 19.5 points, 11.2 assists, 7.2 rebounds, and two steals per game.

[CallOfGaming39]

@pastorfw jordan led bulls to finals 6 times and you know he won 6 six times

[grosskopf2]

@pastorfw I must say that I have to agree with you. You also fail to mention that Magic was the only player to date in NBA history that could play 5 positions and play them well. I am not a Magic Johnson fan and I HATE the Lakers but this seems to be true. My apologize to MJ and Wilt.

[glocsta707]

Look at Jordan reaching and reaching and Magic straight teaching.

[KOforLiddell]

...and jordan responded by winning in 5

[cbaldwinjr]

@KOforLiddell And you responded by being a douche. The Bulls were a better team...what's your point. Let grown folks talk before you get knocked out like Chuck did. Again.

[yangyang2000]

greatest point guard of all time

[taemepramis]

@pastorfw hmm probably, but its more like lebron and kobe are not in the same class with magic, larry and michael

[nateeeeKB24]

@xXxFB4LxXx MJ never shot over 55%, but MJ did shoot 53% three times in his career and over 50% six times in his career. That's extremely high for a shooting guard especially during the era when the NBA played the best defense, hand-checking, and no defensive 3 seconds.

Wilt is great, but in the playoffs his production drops.

30 ppg on 54% in the reg. season

then drops to 22.5 ppg on 52% shooting in the playoffs.

MJ's production increases.

[QuinceyQuick]

20 years later, he still sounds the same. Love Marv Albert.

[SuperThrillerboy]

he was like, OHHHH!!!!

[JayBee671]

I did this in 2k11 with game sliders

[Haasenfeffer]

Classic Magic Johnson shot: Ugly, robotic, unathletic and lucky.

[DoomDarenxbourg]

@Haasenfeffer Classic jordan shot: Nothing Kobe Bryant can't do better, LOL!!

[cbaldwinjr]

@Haasenfeffer Classic example of child whose mom should have swallowed. Or thrown herself down a flight of stairs while pregnant

[sumskater999]

Kareem is like "Man I miss playing with that guy."

[rassclaat23]

honestly, it must've been terrifying playing against magic... and jordan... and now i feel like that player is kobe.

[mrmacross]

Jordan's the greatest 2 to ever play the game, both on offense and defense, but he couldn't guard Magic when Magic backed down on him. I still remember the 1991 Finals well, and while Jordan was absolutely killing the Lakers, he had to deal with a lot of foul trouble, courtesy Magic.

[KazaamJones]

@mrmacross True, but I think it was moreso due to the fact that Jordan was given way too much responsibility. I mean he averaged 33 PPG and 11 APG during this series AND had to guard Magic. So before Phil finally made the switch putting Pip on Magic, Jordan was the team's #1 scorer, facilitator, and contain the opposing team's best perimeter player. That's a lot of work for ANY player.

[eligah8]

@mrmacross I TOTALLY AGREE

[pastorfw]

@mrmacross so true

[vaibhavrana]

how the fuck did he do that? one word: magic!

[IRavmaNI]

AIDS

[unioncity]

Jordan had so much more help than Magic in this series. Magic literally had no second option to go to.

[Darthmonk3y]

@unioncity well he had a certain someone named 'james worthy' as a second option. and that's not a bad second option to have my friend.

[unioncity]

@Darthmonk3y

He was playing injured in the series. Didn't even play game 5. Neither did Byron Scott. Jordan easily had the more stacked team.

[siggascation]

@unioncity really? how does being the only all star on the team for the last 7 years make the team stacked? i'm sorry, try again.

[unioncity]

@siggascation

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Cartwright, Hodges, Paxson. That is a complete team. These are more than capable players. How many all stars do the Dallas Mavericks have this season? Bulls fans never want to admit to anything anyone else ever says.

[siggascation]

@unioncity you don't just look at the names, you look at their production. hodges, 4ppg, 0 rpg and 0 apg, grant, 13ppg 8 rpg, cartright, 9ppg 5rpg, pippen 22ppg 9rpg, JORDAN 31ppg, 6rpg 8apg. this is in the playoffs. as you can see only 3 ppl were in double digits, and grant and pippen rarely handled the ball in the 4th quarter unless from a set play. and i'm not a bulls fan i'm a heat fan.

[douchebag690]

@unioncity go somewhere & die!!!

[erikmexico11]

how the hell did that go in??

[JZ2001JC]

@TheCommentator2011. NO YOUR AN IDIOT because you obviously can't look at stats right. Teams (especially the top teams) would only give up 90 PPG en route to winning were in the 80s (especially the teams like Celts and Lakers) gave up 105 PPG en route to winning and they had no choice but to rely on outscoring your opponents just like the Phoenix Suns did in mid 00's with Nash. 90s Defense and AThleticism>>>>>>>>80s Defense and Athleticism. Good Night JR have a nice life.

[MsLush82]

Magic Johnson = Legend

[pastorfw]

magic johnson is the greatest player of all time. sorry micheal. the league was very weak when michael won all of his championships.

[Jordan1995ification]

are you on drugs???

stockalone and barkley are weak ?

[pastorfw]

@Jordan1995ification no offense. karl malone and charles barkley are not in the same class with magic, larry and michael.

[binka21]

@pastorfw I have to disagree with the Barkley part. If you see footage of his younger days, he was a bad ass.

[royalsteven]

True, although amazingly Karl Malone is number 2 behind Jabar and one step before Jordan in the all time points list.

[ChillyCloth]

@pastorfw

who won 1993 MVP?

[danysu123]

@pastorfw yes they are

[LectricVonThunder]

@pastorfw You're talking about the second highest scoring player ever who almost beat MJ in 98 AND the highest scoring player on the dream team who almost beat MJ in 93. I beg you to reconsider.

[chris2o4her]

@pastorfw all four are unique superstars in their own way.....

[tHeMaN998rocks]

@pastorfw barkeley is

[tkwtg]

@pastorfw uhuh, that's why magic said this: "There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us."

[JZ2001JC]

@pastorfw. The league was at its peak when MJ won all of his Titles. In the 80s Defenses in the NBA were weak hence why basically every team could score 125 PPG every night. Also, Players were much more athletic in the 90s than 80s.

[binka21]

@pastorfw Sorry you're wrong. Jordan is the greatest player of all time, and he beat the brutal Detroit Pistons to prove it.

[jbrandonf]

@binka21 Wrong. Wilt Chamberlain is.

[binka21]

@jbrandonf Jordan-6 championships/ Chamberlain-2 championships. Jordan-32,292 career points/ Chamberlain-31,419 career points. So Jordan is the greatest of all time.

[jbrandonf]

@binka21 I always here that same tired argument. Simply put, if we compare their individual talents Wilt was unparalleled and made a bigger impact on the game at that time. If we compare championships then Bill Russell is the greatest winner in history. Take your pick Wilt or Russell.

[binka21]

@jbrandonf If Wilt was so unparalleled then why only 2 championships and less career points? I don't know what you're basing your argument on. If you go to Wikipedia and look at Wilt's and Jordan's accomplishments you'll see they were both unparalleled. In all reality I don't know if it's possible to choose. Kareem has most career points period. Is he the greatest player of all time? Maybe.

[jbrandonf]

@binka21 Why do you only focus on championships and career points? So David Robinson wasn't a great player? Oscar Robertson wasn't? John Stockton? Payton? Are you young? If you are then I can see where you get your argument because that's all anybody cares about nowadays.

[binka21]

@jbrandonf Nobody really knows who the greatest player of all time is.

[hattrick116]

@jbrandonf

Wilt Chamberlain is the most DOMINANT. Not the BEST. Because if he was in Jordan's era he'd still be good but definitely not the BEST of all time.

[jbrandonf]

@hattrick116 And if Jordan were in Wilt's era he'd be great but not the best in league like he was in the 90's. And you can't prove that Wilt wouldn't dominate in any era. The big man's game hasn't really changed too much since basketball's inception.

[hattrick116]

@jbrandonf

Jordan would absolutely dominate in the early stages of the game. Who's better? Pete Maravich or Jordan? His athleticism would just crush any opposition in his way. It would be EASY for him to score. Small men skills were nothing close to MJ's skill in that time.

[hattrick116]

@jbrandonf

And wait, if Jordan can be the best player in the NBA in the 90's, and not when Wilt played, does that mean you're implying that the talent was BETTER in the 50's and 60's? That's just idiotic.

[jbrandonf]

@hattrick116 No, the talent wasn't better but the rules of the game were. You had to dribble with your hand on top of the ball at all times back then, you couldn't have your hand on the side like you can nowadays. Also, Wilt's athleticism was and is unheard of. A 7-footer who can run and jump (Wilt ran track and did high-jump in HS)? Plus later in his career he put on more muscle (because those white guys didn't like getting dominated like they were)..

[markovicivor]

@jbrandonf

The thing is Wilt played with a lot shorter guys...

[jbrandonf]

@markovicivor There were a few other players his height in the game but his biggest challenge with these shorter guys is that they played an extremely physical game against Wilt. It was so bad that after his rookie year Wilt considered retiring because of the beating he was taking on the court.

[xXxFB4LxXx]

@jbrandonf

Unheard of? Who's more athletic, Howard or Wilt?

[makpak]

@xXxFB4LxXx wilt

[xXxFB4LxXx]

@makpak

Fucking Wilt. Are you serious? Dwight Howard is twice as atheltic.

[shaqpopcorn34]

@jbrandonf ...actually the game has changed a ton...mike is wayyy better than wilt....footage clearly shows wilts era to be weak...and way different than the modern nba..way more shots attempted,meaning higher stats..only 8 teams in the nba.....no 3-pt line,and scoring has gone down since the 3-pt line was implemented in 79-80..and teams dont shoot as quickly...wilt won 0 titles in the yrs he was scoring champ....he never fouled out,john stockton got called for way more fouls....wilt= overrated

[jbrandonf]

@shaqpopcorn34 Wilt's era was weak? So be it, but he was considering retiring because in his rookie year he was hacked so much. Those short white guys didn't like being outplayed by the tall, lanky but incredibly gifted black man. What does it matter how many teams there were? If anything it shows that the game was less watered down like it is now. I'm not talking scoring titles either because then if so, Bill Russell was the greatest player.

[jbrandonf]

@shaqpopcorn34 I also don't understand why you brought up the fact that Wilt never fouled out...if anything that shows his skills more-so than doesn't. For a big man to not foul out is impressive, considering how physical their game is. Wilt's individual accomplishments make the him the most impressive player to ever play, if you bring up how many rings Jordan has then you instantly lose that argument to Bill Russell. You can justify Jordan all you want to yourself but it doesn't change a thing.

[shaqpopcorn34]

@hattrick116 ...nope...wilt is not he most dominant....that goes to shaq,by far....in scoring title years,wilt never even cracked 55%....when he shot high percentages,it was because he rarely shot.....wilt played for stats,thats a fact....he played in an era with way more possessions,meaning more ppg and more rpg....thats why oscar robertson could average 12.5 rpg,more than hakeem did as mvp in 1994.....as for leading the nba in assists,its a fact he passed to catch and shoot players to get that

[hattrick116]

@shaqpopcorn34

When someone can score 100 points in a game... there pretty dominant. They actually stopped counting around 100 so even more.

[xXxFB4LxXx]

@shaqpopcorn34

Well MJ NEVER cracked 55%. Just cause you have a high FG% does not mean you're dominant. It just means you take easier shots. Tell me another player who could score over 100 points in a game.

[wornoutshoes11]

@xXxFB4LxXx having a high FG % has nothing to do with dominance nor taking "EASIER SHOTS" like u said... having a high FG % simply means you're EFFICIENT!

[Bragadoshis]

Magic Johnson said Jordan would beat him 10 times n a row, no problem. It is overwhelming thinking someone could be as good a as Jordan, but the truth is, Jordan Is Jordan, everyone knows, that his drive and ability, skill, knowledge was unparelled, why don't you haters just give up and confess, like Larry bird, God disguised as Michael Jordan!

[deveraux32]

Magic the greatest player EVER

[Bragadoshis]

@deveraux32 You evidently are calling magic johnson a liar. Magic said Jordan was the greatest back in the late 80's. Come on man, i know you love magic, but magic just recently said if he and Jordan played 10 times in a row, Jordan would defeat him without breaking a sweat. That's just how good Jordan was!

[hghskid]

you kno why magic was so good since he got aids nobody wanted to guard him  unless he got aids after his nba career

[jbrandonf]

@hghskid LOL that is a dumb comment but it has me cracking up!

[kinglouie23]

I think he pulled a Homer...

[Edd1e8]

This was one of the rare plays where a Grant or Levingston double team didn't change Magic's spin move to the basket.

For some reason, Magic didn't use the hook or look for his own offense just about the entire series.

He could've taken Pippen or Jordan down low anytime he wanted. I guess it's because one of the weaknesses this Laker team had was no deadly shooters other than Scott.

Michael Cooper would've really helped out this series with his defense on Jordan and his shooting.

[Domini478]

@Edd1e8 Nobody would shut MJ's down!

[pacmanisapatriotfan]

@Domini478 gary payton held MJ to career finals lows so i would say payton did a good job

[willsmackyoudown]

@pacmanisapatriotfan

MJ was also 35 years old coming out of retirement. No speed. This is a 1991 lightening fast MJ.

[Hoopfanify]

@willsmackyoudown That is nothing but an excuse. MJ was considered better the 2nd time around because he devoloped a more well rounded offensive game. The only part of his game that suffered was his defense. Also Gary is known as the best defensive PG ever iam sure he could lock any PG or SG gaurd down on any given night

[willsmackyoudown]

@Hoopfanify

Disagree. Maybe better team oriented and all around. But his speed and his ability to penetrate through the lane would have blown that sonic team apart.

[Hoopfanify]

@Hoopfanify MJ got a post game the 2nd time around(He was taller then gary) MJ's jumper had gotton better the 2nd time around(He was taller and should have been able to just shoot over gary). Let's not forget slasher MJ would have ran up against kemp in the lane who in that series who had two 4 block games. When it comes to the final three finals MJ had people automatically chalk it up to him being old, that might be a small part of it but people just don't accept the fact he had bad finals

[Bragadoshis]

@pacmanisapatriotfan If payton had done such a good Job he would have won a championship against Jordan, not try to get on the Lakers as a has been to win one. The fact still remains, Jordans bulls smashed Gary paytons, Sonics. End of discussion. Mark jackson called Kobe the greates, because he is a sore looser! Mark never one a title, he is a looser. Gary Payton i like the glove, but he is a looser too when it comes to Jordan, Jordan is a winner, he knows how to win! That's Y he beat Enemies!

[pacmanisapatriotfan]

@Edd1e8 well put