Oh no, I'm not an optimist--in fact, by and large, what Somerset is saying to Mills here is true (and Mills really needed to hear it, not that that would have prepared him for wifey's head chopped off at all.) All I'm saying is that this not the last word. If there were an afterword to Seven, God help us all, there would be at the very least someone around to give Mills his medication, help him, maybe one day even restore him to normal life. That's my point--people like that are around too.
@texasB666 Not really. Somerset is a particular species of intellectual who makes disillusion a religion. He confirms everything he's saying while denying it, as Mills points out. There are people everyday who do make a difference, albeit small ones, but the small ones make the world. Even if John Doe had won as in the film, the good things would still occur.
@MrMaldoror666 Offcourse. I was talkin' about the movie, but in this life/reality good things happen often :) There is a state of a Ying and Yang, we just have to find a balance. Ever heard of the term "naive realism"? I believe its been invented by the thoughts of Plato. He said that nothing in this life is sure, which implies that everything we see is just gamble. Perhaps i'm going off track here on a Se7en vid :D, but yes, i agree with you: Good things can and will happen.
Mills' final statement says it all. At first, he repeatedly insists that he does not agree with Somerset's analysis of their society, but with every denial his confidence wanes. Finally he admits that he cannot agree. Because how could one stay hopeful and optimistic if you think like Somerset does? You just can't cope with that kind of thinking. Which gives the ending of the film all the more impact.
One of the standout scenes to me. I think this scene above the others captures what's at the heart of this film. Beyond it being an incredible crime film and definitely my favorite serial killer film, this movie is an examination and study of faith. Throughout the film, we see Mills and Somerset's contrasting perceptions of faith challenged. By the end of the film the two switch places. Mills, who was full of hope and optimism, became broken, but Somerset began to find hope again.
the fact it is : people are tired and scared to believe in something betta.. bred embodies the youth's persuasiveness whichs maybe lost and that's why this scene is a great lesson
Ditto amigo. [as a side: "tenacious outlooks" and "timorous courage" both being oxymoronic by design of each individual "by choice"; characteristic of what may be known as Living-Paradox [by choice [sic]]
I love this scene, there's so much to it. This is where the very argument of the film becomes clear with Morgan Freeman's weary, disaffected view that the world is essentially a crappy place and Brad Pitt's hopeful, tenacious outlook standing in contrast. In this context, the way the movie ended, with Pitt's character finally broken, was very bleak. Quality film nonetheless.
i thought i was the only one who really appreciated this scene! I think it's the deepest scene and script of the movie, along with the john doe scene near the end.
underrated. true. i was awestruck at morgan's words.
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Pride
Envy
Greed (Glutton)
Hatred (Wrath)
Selfishness
Sloth/Laziness
Injustice
Where does 'lust' fit in?
ScorpioBornIn69 19 hours ago
Oh no, I'm not an optimist--in fact, by and large, what Somerset is saying to Mills here is true (and Mills really needed to hear it, not that that would have prepared him for wifey's head chopped off at all.) All I'm saying is that this not the last word. If there were an afterword to Seven, God help us all, there would be at the very least someone around to give Mills his medication, help him, maybe one day even restore him to normal life. That's my point--people like that are around too.
MrMaldoror666 2 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666 Agreed ;)
texasB666 2 weeks ago
In the end, Somerset was right...
texasB666 1 month ago
@texasB666 Not really. Somerset is a particular species of intellectual who makes disillusion a religion. He confirms everything he's saying while denying it, as Mills points out. There are people everyday who do make a difference, albeit small ones, but the small ones make the world. Even if John Doe had won as in the film, the good things would still occur.
MrMaldoror666 3 weeks ago
@MrMaldoror666 Offcourse. I was talkin' about the movie, but in this life/reality good things happen often :) There is a state of a Ying and Yang, we just have to find a balance. Ever heard of the term "naive realism"? I believe its been invented by the thoughts of Plato. He said that nothing in this life is sure, which implies that everything we see is just gamble. Perhaps i'm going off track here on a Se7en vid :D, but yes, i agree with you: Good things can and will happen.
texasB666 3 weeks ago
i luv this scene guys !! anyone knows the music played on the jukebox ??
kallioui 3 months ago
Great scene from a great movie.
JRHartly1984 3 months ago
Spoiler alert, Kevin Spacey is Keyser Söze
Froebs 3 months ago
“Apathy is a sort of living oblivion.”
ACULTURE0 4 months ago
@chaddyboyalwayswins DISGUSTIN' MOVIE with gross talk
1krazy1kitten1 5 months ago
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Arun88able 5 months ago
Mills' final statement says it all. At first, he repeatedly insists that he does not agree with Somerset's analysis of their society, but with every denial his confidence wanes. Finally he admits that he cannot agree. Because how could one stay hopeful and optimistic if you think like Somerset does? You just can't cope with that kind of thinking. Which gives the ending of the film all the more impact.
JimmySteller 5 months ago
@JimmySteller you are so right and observant, well said
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alatha3 5 months ago
One of the standout scenes to me. I think this scene above the others captures what's at the heart of this film. Beyond it being an incredible crime film and definitely my favorite serial killer film, this movie is an examination and study of faith. Throughout the film, we see Mills and Somerset's contrasting perceptions of faith challenged. By the end of the film the two switch places. Mills, who was full of hope and optimism, became broken, but Somerset began to find hope again.
sotdsotd1 6 months ago
pretty much a summation of america in the past 30 years
thebleakaffinity 6 months ago
@thebleakaffinity I think anyone can relate to this, regardless of their nationality :)
christophotographic 4 months ago
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adamsworld2k8 6 months ago
One of my all time favorite scenes in any movie.
thunderbear78 6 months ago
Great scene! Ya gotta love Pitts character...so naive and green.
cestherrun 8 months ago
The best movie scene I've ever seen in a a movie. Morgan Freeman is an example, at least acting...
friksten 9 months ago
AWwww c'mon, what's in the box.
southport97 9 months ago
I wanna say that to somebody, someday " I disagree with you, i do not agree with you " with that much confidence in his face...
majesticmaniac 10 months ago
they are drinking alcohol or water?trying to escape from something? feeble nature?
goragutagutarrok 11 months ago
My favorite line...."People don't want a champion, they want to eat cheeseburgers, play the lotto, and watch television.
thisisrumorcontrol 1 year ago 6
the fact it is : people are tired and scared to believe in something betta.. bred embodies the youth's persuasiveness whichs maybe lost and that's why this scene is a great lesson
mirelabeg 1 year ago
Great, my favorite scene!, From Argentina, Thanks Very much!!
Aristo07 1 year ago
Morgan Freeman's voice is like sweet milk straight from the lull you to sleep tit.
wowdanalise 1 year ago 2
I love the "love costs" monologue.
shawreport 1 year ago
Morgan Freeman is an awesome actor
92af 1 year ago 15
This is my favorite scene in the movie.
Thanks for posting this.
sexismorbid 1 year ago 29
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@sexismorbid youre a strange person.
wohs145 1 year ago
@wohs145
mine too,it's fundamental
sanobiz 1 year ago
@sexismorbid this is my favorite scene from my favorite movie :P
ATENakaATON 11 months ago
totally amazing scene and your right, very underrated. the dialogue flows so naturally
AndyJmovies 1 year ago
Masterpiece ...! Crucial scene.
Jambient 1 year ago
@Jambient Yes, this is an amazing scene. Truly epic!
Stardusk 1 year ago
@Stardusk Glad u agree! There's so much more to this movie than just the horror.
Jambient 1 year ago
sublime, everytime i watch this. just, sublime.
bhattmagandhi 1 year ago
great scene and great dialogue, one of the best ever (totally underrrated, i agree)
ssooccoo 2 years ago
@EatSleepPillage:
Ditto amigo. [as a side: "tenacious outlooks" and "timorous courage" both being oxymoronic by design of each individual "by choice"; characteristic of what may be known as Living-Paradox [by choice [sic]]
LampoonedHerd 2 years ago
I love this scene, there's so much to it. This is where the very argument of the film becomes clear with Morgan Freeman's weary, disaffected view that the world is essentially a crappy place and Brad Pitt's hopeful, tenacious outlook standing in contrast. In this context, the way the movie ended, with Pitt's character finally broken, was very bleak. Quality film nonetheless.
EatSleepPillage 2 years ago
damn bro!! thanks man ive been lookin for this.
i thought i was the only one who really appreciated this scene! I think it's the deepest scene and script of the movie, along with the john doe scene near the end.
underrated. true. i was awestruck at morgan's words.
hhead19 2 years ago