Actually it's the atheist community that openly hates pomos along with religion and feminists.
There plenty of pomo friendly youtubers, it's just nobody really announces themselves as postmodern. For example, Azrienoh's old philosophy vids were arguments for postmodernism and his books calls for the death of Philosophy by characterizing it as a bunch of Should statements that can't hold domain over each other.
Also basically anyone who specializes is tipping their hat to postmodernism....
@brokennarcissist (cont)... Though how you're attempt to sneak Rationalism through the back door is a bit concerning, it points to a belief that modernism is simply too tall of an order to expect to be completed which isn't the case being made. The issue(s) is that there are conflicting epistemes that cannot be resolved.
Also Rationalism cannot provide a fix for identity, there is no one way to live despite whatever amount of data collected.
@suddenuprising Very true. It doesn't escape the limitations of human understanding and subjectivity that it highlights, and can't provide any objective truth or complete insight.
It's not an exception to the rule that it itself posits, that the world cannot be captured and explained by any single static explanation / system of thought.
In my opinion, people that want to pretend like it is are the people who end up bringing the concepts related to it into disrepute.
an intensely good video. i applaud your patience and balance in this and it's left me thinking that i should really wean myself out of my reactionary attitude towards objectivists or those with objective epistemologies. thanks.
@gratex Glad it didn't come across as me just blathering for twenty minutes =p
It seems to me that most of the hostility towards post-modernism/relativism/subjectivism comes from the (almost universally negative) popular portrayal by certain dogmatic ideologies that understand that a questioning of their 'objective' values will quickly erode most of the edifice they've erected around the words of their chosen leaders.
Good exposition. The problem I have on youtube is that almost everybody who mentions postmodernism (negatively) evidently cannot even articulate what it is about. Your critique in the end was spot on too, in that postmodernism can be viewed as it's own meta-narrative.
@socrates856 It's a shame when people just trample over decades of challenging and intriguing thought just because it doesn't fit into their own world view, but it's all too natural to do so.
"I just kind of wanted to make a *brief* video..."
Oh you! ;)
Anyways interesting discussion. I'm reading "The Myth of Sisyphus and other Essays" by Camus and was curious if you had any ideas on absurdism as opposed to rationalism or what ways it's similar to post-modernism. Any thoughts are welcome. :]
@RageAgnstThClampdown Obviously I was referring to 'brief' in its alternate sense, as 'unnecessarily lengthy', as us post-modernists are wont to do =p
I have to admit I know precious little about Absurdism, but from the sound of it it's a form of existentialism. My intuition is that existentialism is really quite compatible with post-modernism, so that one could either view it as one movement in the post-modernist tendency, or one could interpret them as having a different focus, with ...
@RageAgnstThClampdown ... post-modernists being mainly concerned with language and the meta-narrative as making true objectivity impossible, whereas existentialists/absurdists focus more on the individual and the individual's struggle and ways in which they can live in a world in which objective meaning is impossible by creating their own subjective meaning while at the same time accepting that it is necessarily subjective.
But that's just me talking out of my backside really =p
Actually it's the atheist community that openly hates pomos along with religion and feminists.
There plenty of pomo friendly youtubers, it's just nobody really announces themselves as postmodern. For example, Azrienoh's old philosophy vids were arguments for postmodernism and his books calls for the death of Philosophy by characterizing it as a bunch of Should statements that can't hold domain over each other.
Also basically anyone who specializes is tipping their hat to postmodernism....
brokennarcissist 2 months ago
@brokennarcissist (cont)... Though how you're attempt to sneak Rationalism through the back door is a bit concerning, it points to a belief that modernism is simply too tall of an order to expect to be completed which isn't the case being made. The issue(s) is that there are conflicting epistemes that cannot be resolved.
Also Rationalism cannot provide a fix for identity, there is no one way to live despite whatever amount of data collected.
brokennarcissist 2 months ago
postmodernism is itself a meta-narrative
suddenuprising 3 months ago
@suddenuprising Very true. It doesn't escape the limitations of human understanding and subjectivity that it highlights, and can't provide any objective truth or complete insight.
It's not an exception to the rule that it itself posits, that the world cannot be captured and explained by any single static explanation / system of thought.
In my opinion, people that want to pretend like it is are the people who end up bringing the concepts related to it into disrepute.
churchofstfu 3 months ago
an intensely good video. i applaud your patience and balance in this and it's left me thinking that i should really wean myself out of my reactionary attitude towards objectivists or those with objective epistemologies. thanks.
gratex 3 months ago
@gratex Glad it didn't come across as me just blathering for twenty minutes =p
It seems to me that most of the hostility towards post-modernism/relativism/subjectivism comes from the (almost universally negative) popular portrayal by certain dogmatic ideologies that understand that a questioning of their 'objective' values will quickly erode most of the edifice they've erected around the words of their chosen leaders.
churchofstfu 3 months ago
Good exposition. The problem I have on youtube is that almost everybody who mentions postmodernism (negatively) evidently cannot even articulate what it is about. Your critique in the end was spot on too, in that postmodernism can be viewed as it's own meta-narrative.
socrates856 5 months ago
@socrates856 It's a shame when people just trample over decades of challenging and intriguing thought just because it doesn't fit into their own world view, but it's all too natural to do so.
churchofstfu 5 months ago
"I just kind of wanted to make a *brief* video..."
Oh you! ;)
Anyways interesting discussion. I'm reading "The Myth of Sisyphus and other Essays" by Camus and was curious if you had any ideas on absurdism as opposed to rationalism or what ways it's similar to post-modernism. Any thoughts are welcome. :]
RageAgnstThClampdown 5 months ago
@RageAgnstThClampdown Obviously I was referring to 'brief' in its alternate sense, as 'unnecessarily lengthy', as us post-modernists are wont to do =p
I have to admit I know precious little about Absurdism, but from the sound of it it's a form of existentialism. My intuition is that existentialism is really quite compatible with post-modernism, so that one could either view it as one movement in the post-modernist tendency, or one could interpret them as having a different focus, with ...
churchofstfu 5 months ago
@RageAgnstThClampdown ... post-modernists being mainly concerned with language and the meta-narrative as making true objectivity impossible, whereas existentialists/absurdists focus more on the individual and the individual's struggle and ways in which they can live in a world in which objective meaning is impossible by creating their own subjective meaning while at the same time accepting that it is necessarily subjective.
But that's just me talking out of my backside really =p
churchofstfu 5 months ago
Iagree.
neobudda1 5 months ago