Chomsky's latest reminder to American & British citizens

[bulletproof2353]

@krugmantheking there is no way he can be that dumb , he went to mit, he is a smart guy he is either complicit  bought off or scared to tell the truth im not sure which one ,im leaning toward scared

[bulletproof2353]

@krugmantheking no thats not the official lie, that is a minor trivial talking point that is thrown out there for the dumbest of americans, the lowest common denominator, the unwashed masses and people listening to justin beiber and watching dancing with the stars & american idol and football who are totally asleep & care to not think about it or anything else,perhaps mr chomsky should sit down & watch those documentaries & look at the evidence & sit and talk with his contemporary ,gore vidal

[bulletproof2353]

@krugmantheking why dont you watch war by deception and fabled enemies and then go and find the sources and check them yourself and look into the stories and points that are brought up in them ,dont take their word for it ,do your own research,

[bulletproof2353]

@krugmantheking think you peeled back but it is so infinitesimally trivial that it dont mead shit, i bet you think your all intellectual now because you saw past that blatantly transparent main stream media talking point that the corporate owners of both bush and the mainstream media had him read off their teleprompter

[bulletproof2353]

@krugmantheking and propping us dictators who oppress their people so the US can come in and steal all their wealth and resources , that is all common knowledge not some huge revelation, that is ridiculous, sure those things have pissed off the whole arab world and made them hate the US and israel and rightly so ,but that was all planned, that just made it easier for the US cia and mossad to recruit their patsies and gives then cover, that is like 1 extremely superficial layer of the onion you t

[bulletproof2353]

@oh coem on nobody with 2 braincells to rub together belieed that line, and to think that you you think your somehow smart for figuring that one out is a joke, everyone knows abouthe saudi occupation after the 1st gulf war and how the terrorist zionist israeli regime is creating a apartheid state and killing all the arabs an taking there land, and how the US government is only in the

[bulletproof2353]

he has totally discredited himself by going along with the official 9-11 lie, and his other comments about kennedy, how can someone who writes a book called manufacturing consent, do this? i am no longe r a fan sine his comments about 9-11 and kennedy

[KrugmanTheKing]

@bulletproof2353

The official lie about 9-11 is that the Americans have been attacked because other people were jealous of their freedom... that's the official lie. The truth is that American foreign policies laid down the foundations for people to launch an attack on the American territory. Basically, that's what Chomsky explained and it's very clear if you just bother reading the analysis made by the experts in the Pentagone. Except it's not what you heard in the media.

[KrugmanTheKing]

@bulletproof2353

You can say it was predictable, maybe not in its form, but certainly in its substance. That's not supporting the official lie; the lie is "they hate us"... no, they don't. They hate the American presence, imperialist attitude, but not what Americans themselves do in their own country.

He supports his ideas, if you disagree, bring support. If you can't, well change your mind.

[LokiScoutSniper]

Translation, war is bad when the bullets and bombs have red R's on them but not blue D's. Fast forward to today and he is still against war but will probably sugarcoat Obama carrying them on. Put as much blame towards his agenda cough, I mean blaming the Republicans solely for it. Then after the bullshit gets neck high we find out hey we haven't even started talking about Libya. Whatever Noam, when the bullshit gets neck high I'm out. Always twisting it to make the left look perfect.

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper But Chomsky has been fiercely critical of Obama's continuation of the wars of Bush. He was also critical of Clinton before Bush. So what do you mean?

Chomsky is not on the left of liberals with offers preaching soft capitalism (Democrats, Michael Moore people). It is not the left of schizoid campus Maoists and Leninists. Chomsky is an anarchist, he came to the conclusion no doubt as a young person that capitalism is doomed and must be replaced with a more humane system.

[LokiScoutSniper]

@agapeiron Nothing is wrong with capitalism, people are the problem. And the exact problem with people, they are not willing to give up controlling others. Be it social issues or economic restraints or people thinking they have a right to others goods and services. It seems people are to afraid of limited federal government and a return to state rights. Afraid of personal responsibility. 50 united labs experimenting instead of one overbearing nanny. Where one can vote by ballot or foot. Freedom

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper I believe capitalism is the problem. The values that capitalism puts forth as the norm-- possessive individualism, greed, profiting at the expense of fellow citizens-- these shape people in context with the inequalities it requires in order to function. It shapes people into asocial, self-absorbed little islands of misery, without a sense of solidarity or justice. It turns democracy into a farce. True federalism and true democracy are impossible under capitalism.

[LokiScoutSniper]

@agapeiron You say you believe capitalism is the problem, but what free market stops you from taking risk and opposing the oppressor. Do you fear something but your own free will to take on bad aspects of bad men who seek to take advantage of other men. You seem to want to level the playing field but not by your own risk. You do nothing to run a good business that is the great justice you speak of because you are afraid to do what others did to do what you call tyranny in capitalism.You're wrong

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper Truly free markets have never existed. Capitalism in all of its shapes and forms is a problem, but it is one of many problems. When it shits its pants every so often it needs the state to bail it out. Never mind the fact that it explodes into wars. Face it, you prefer to have politicians that are essentially business men. You no doubt vote in line with the business sector. The picture you have of capitalism in your head is a fantasy. An emotional conservative fantasy.

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember, or overthrow it..." - Abraham Lincoln

[LokiScoutSniper]

@agapeiron We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do what he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do what they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things called by the same name liberty. Different parties call this liberty and tyranny. Lincoln,1864

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper Precisely. Right wing market ideology exults in negative liberty for the rich, so they can hold onto their money bags. Right wing market creeps purr under this ideology of negative liberty (they must live lavishly, perhaps smoke weed legally one day). Then they whine and moan about taxation. Coercion! Tyranny of the majority! But it is all a hazy free market dream, a fairy world of picture thoughts. It shuns any concrete analysis of reality.

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper And I might add, if your idea of the left includes the Democrats, then it only shows how fucked we Americans are; how apathetic we have become, and how brainwashed; how doomed we are to the stale liberal bullshit of identity politics and abstract gestures against big business.

[LokiScoutSniper]

@agapeiron I'll agree that Noam is critical of both the left and right. But maybe you're to young or have not dealt with enough different people in life to know people like Noam. I really don't mean that as an insult. But Noam would have us live like a European Socialist Democracy. That goes against everything this Republic was ever meant to be. People like Noam have worked very long and hard at destroying this country, as you said he is an anarchist. To change us into something we are not.

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper If you agree Chomsky is an anarchist, why the hell would he have us in European social democracy? He advocates anarcho-syndicalism, one particular tendency within anarchism. Anarchism in the United States has a very long history. Not only with the Chicago anarchists who died to win an 8 hour work day, not only the libertarian elements in the Industrial Workers of the World-- But also the Lowell textile girls who believed that those who work in the factory ought to own it.

[LokiScoutSniper]

@agapeiron You do realize this is why I called you inexperienced in so many words and did not want you to take offense. Anarcho-syndicalism who cares, different ways to take different people of different opinions and lead them down the same road. Very smart people like Noam don't go catching people. They go fishing for people. An eight hour work day fight is a kinda noble fight but apply that to the doctor who works two shifts saving people not by force. We were advancing despite any cause.

[agapeiron]

@LokiScoutSniper If you care to actually put forth any arguments (rather than little clusters of rhetoric and unresearched assumption) I will answer them. So far you have shown me that you put more emotion than reason into your comments. This is fine; it is the glue that holds conservative ideology together. But certainly you don't know me as an individual, so I think your characterization of me as "inexperienced" is rather subjective on your part.

[fargonbastedge]

Actually during imperlism many of those nations were doing better off. The story of Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe) is a dead on balls accurate example of what I mean.

[MrMeanderthal]

AAAAAAAAH.... SHUDDUP!!

[Glennyco]

Noam- Hopefully you just die soon! A nasty old man that continues to spread his nasty lies to lemmings!

[Keinlicht]

@Glennyco What lies?

[MajorqueenB]

Chomsky: I hope your DNA is spead far and wide.... LIve ON!!!

[undeadpresident]

How about the continuing crimes domestically such as the surveillance and harassment by the government of people who don't buy into their propaganda? The US government destroys the lives of thousands with their secret police.

[irishrebelalert]

very true, sadly britian and ireland are following that trend too.

[jimanHK]

prof Chomsky-last standing hero

[WhiteLionV1]

i miss saddam hussein

[UcanbeGOD]

Chomsky is old, right in every way, but old.

[adzug]

yeah its wat i thought too. hes like an old lion. be a great loss when e goes

[gsh73la]

@UcanbeGOD Thank God

[gsh73la]

@UcanbeGOD And what a sharp mind for being "old". So what's the "but" about ?

[vktrsx]

An important one indeed.

Sadly, it will never be heeded. As Chomsky has said many times, the underlying but unstated premise of US foreign policy is that the US owns the world. It does whatever it wants, because it can -- because it has everyone else under its thumb.

It is like the bully who stalks the schoolyard with a pathetic little gang of hangers-on (the UK, Israel, etc.), who laugh at all the head-bully's jokes and punch whoever he tells them to.

[guruartist]

Tangential= touching

Rest = stale, stagnate

The rest is your opinion and I respect it.

[guruartist]

weznilez, 100% right, but is he and those who also know like him, do something really tangential to change the system? Rethoric is easy, accion is what we need! He should have been a world ambassador for peace with his utopian ideas, but instead he chose to rest in the comfort of his intellectual cocoon! therefore what a waste!!!!

[knightpremier]

You mean tangibile, not tangential. Rhetoric is Rhetoric. Chomsky is hated by the powerful to such an extent that he cannot even appear on U.S. television, much less become an ambassador. As for resting, he travels to give speeches and show solidarity with many people who attempt to stand up against tyranny. Learn something.

[sweetmohawklady]

Prof Chomsky is a genius. What a world we'd have if men like this ran it, instead of the greedy international bankers and international corporations.

[Bremahhah]

Please don't die Chompsky!!!!

[DanLackey]

Amen.

[Onetimerule]

America is the most sadistic and fascistic and nihilistic and intolerant and irrational and illiterate and myopic and utopian and imperialistic nation the world has ever known.

[brenna1975]

I am an American and I truly want to apologize for the insanity that has overcome our nation. I do not know what will happen but I can only hope that my own personal efforts to change our current leaders will be enough. Half of our nation understands the seriousness of our current situations and the other half just doesn't get it. I believe my country will be forever changed internally after this election and I am certain of the external consequences. I hope for the world that we get it right.

[mr1001nights]

Thanks for your message brenna. i've been giving some thoughts to our societal problems as well. I recently expressed them in a documentary montage I did called "The Evilness of Power"look for it on google video. I'd be interested in knowing what you think about it.

[YourOasis97]

i too must apologize, especially to the Iraqi civilians. even thought im very young and didnt know what was going back in 2003, only of what the media told me. -_-

[xxXCALIBURxx]

Half you say? Wow, I'd say not even 1/5 of the people even understand the current situation, or at least where I live.

[VanDoodah]

I dunno about that. I mean, Nazi Germany was pretty bad.

[warriorprince1010]

@brenna1975 If China ever becomes number one the rule of Britain then the USA will seem like a utopia of balance and human advancement. China will torch the earth.

[jammatoonarmy]

@brenna1975 i think your wrong. wall street pay roll obama. its just more spin. if half the country truly understands then march in the street untill you force a real democratic and social change

[xsdnide]

@brenna1975 Brenna, 2 years after your comments, do you think there has been any change?

[blackprincess82]

@brenna1975 Hi. I just read this in October 2011.

Obama has escalated violence in Afghanistan, and where I am from- many people compare 9/11 to Hitler burning the Reichstag to illustrate the need for martial law and ultimately more war.

What do Americans think of a) Obama, and b) do you feel you can change anything internally or do you need/want external help? I am truly sorry that you live in America. And I'm not trying to be offensive. But from one human to another- I hope you can escape.

[kinglouie1968]

Chomsky rocks! Iraq for Iraqis? What a concept. Hope it happens someday. Protest locally and often.

[weznilez]

Chomsky knows his sh1t

[mr1001nights]

Hey Sazzy. i recently completed a documentary-montage called "The Evilness of Power". I posted it on google video and veoh. I'd appreciate if you could watch it and let me know what you think.

[TheProgressistViewer]

@mr1001nights At least we are in agreement on foreign affairs. Sorry I called you a moron weeks ago BTW. Was innapropriate and immature thing to do.

[AnarchistUnderground]

Favorited and sent to my contact list.

[CrowbarUpsideTheHead]

Ditto.

[Kingarthur305]

Chomsky is gay!

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Are you one of those dichotomous thinkers who believes there is only black & white, only Capitalism & Communism, only them or us?

Do you call everybody who doesn't share your State sanctioned Worldview a Communist?

[StoneCutterChosenOne]

hah! someone with some common sense

[yeahwotevaman]

Chomsky is a reptilian space-jew working for the illuminati!!!!

[Irtidad]

I sense some anti-astro-reptilio-semitism here...

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Heh heh.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Excellent video.

Chomsky is correct - as usual - America & Britain are responsible for ALL of the deaths in Iraq; sectarian, resistance or otherwise, since they invaded in spite of expert advice that it would create a bloodbath.

In fact, there is a good video:

Cheney in 1994 on Iraq

where he justifies not invading Iraq after the Gulf War, he explains that it would lead to a quagmire.

America are as much responsible for the insurgency deaths in Iraq as the USSR was in Afghanistan in the 80s.

[keytoothed]

Will Amerika hold itself responsible?  No. Amerika has lost the war in Iraq, just like it lost the war in Vietnam. The same goes for Afghanistan. Whatever Amerika gets, Amerika deserves. Lets hope that it finally learns something. But I am pessimistic about that, too. As an experiment, democracy in Amerika ended a long, long time ago.

[CapitalistHolocaust]

Did America lose the Vietnam War?

There is a good Chomsky vid on youtube called;

Vietnam War What really happened

Actually I think it's one of mr1001nights, where he explains that from the point of view of totally devastating a poor peasant country, slaughtering 3.5 million (plus 1 million in Cambodia & Laos & then 1 million in Indonesia & E.Timor) & making sure Social Reform doesn't rear it's ugly head in Indochina & create a domino effect, America pretty much won at least SOME objectives.

[jtr3030]

what's this from?