I'll be sure to take some new video of the view outside of the cockpit the next time we get to FL510. It's not very often that we have that opportunity so it may be a while!
@sneekeejedi. I'm amazed that you have compared flight 3701 to what we did. At no time did we exceed ANY limitations on our aircraft. The climb was conducted during a 2:40 minute flight utilizing Learjet approved altitudes (step climbing) for the aircraft's current weight, rate of climb, airspeed/mach, and engine power settings. Your comment is truly insulting and shows your ignorance. They on the other hand exceeded many limitations and in the process flamed out both engines.
@lear31apilot I don't mean any disrespect to you, and if you followed all the flight protocols then good on you. When I see a video of people bragging about being at such high altitudes its important to remember how dangerous it can be. Not everyone follows all the protocols like you did. Keep being safe.
Pilots of a CRJ-200 flight 3701 tried the same thingat FL410 on an empty flight and ended up seizing both engines. Luckily they only killed themselves, even though they crashed into a neighborhood. Listen to the cockpit voice recording of that sometime. It's great to have fun and all, but doing this stuff can be extremely dangerous.
@ebayaddict19 I said "luckily they ONLY killed themselves", as in they didn't crash into someone's house who wasn't trying to earn bragging rights. It's sad that anyone had to die, but at least they didn't take innocent people with them.
Nice video, man. I must say I'm a bit jealous. I fly Lears as well (the 35 and the 60), but they don't get nearly as high as the 31 or the 40/45. I'd love to get a chance to get up to FL510.
@onecheman The pressurization works just fine at all altitudes. At 51,000', the cabin altitude is approximately 7,000'. The reason that we wear the Oxygen masks is that for private flights, the FAA requires that at least one crew member be on supplemental Oxygen at altitudes above 41,000'. If we were to experience an explosive decompression at those altitudes, the time of "useful" consciousness is very limited.
What a cool thought.....At that moment, whatever the population of Earth is, only a handful of humans were higher above the planet than you. Thanks for sharing the video.
@danroll81, I used a Fujifilm Finepix 12.0 Megapixel compact camera. I wish there was someway that I could mount a high definition camera outside of the airplane. Some of the views that we have, particularly at high altitude, are worth sharing...
Under FAR Part 91, at least one pilot must wear an oxygen mask at altitudes above FL410. We are both wearing the masks just as a precaution. This was a repositioning flight with no passengers on board.
aahhuunnnnn and flyin high for save more fuel=money as you were without passengers hun... or was flight level 510 in the airway you were flying through?? anyways nice video!!
interesting.. thats not bad at all saying you can get your private pilots liscense with only 40 hours of flight time logged then become an instructor which can allow me to fly more than once a day, so heres a question i love learjet 31's but why didnt you go after the learjet 45, a much faster, newer learjet design with longer range? did you already invest most of your flight hours in the 31 before the 45 was even available
hey man im training to become a pilot and am still in the little cessna's unfortunately, how many years did it take you to get a job behind a learjet 31a??
I had a little over 4300 hours total flight time when I started flying the Learjet 31a some 12+ years ago. I can't tell you how long it should take you however a reasonable figure would be well past 2500 hours to be a co-pilot. Some have gotten there quicker, others have taken much longer. It really depends on who you know and what they think about your ability to learn...
@KeepitontheDL420 Like they've said before, it all depends on the person... and for example the Panamanian Airline COPA hires pilots that just has 250 hours, it all depends if you meet up to their standards... (you would be working as a co-pilot though).
What was you speed, Why didnt you stall, maybe you can help me understand. i am a pilot trainee for the Canadian Air Force Training to fly the C-17 Globemaster III cargo plane. at FL510 the air is extremely dense you're speed must have been higher at lower altitude because as you climb you speed will go down; am i wrong. Unless, of course your VS was less than 500 Ft per minute. You also never showed you PFD, What degree was you nose at? i gotta try this, in the C-17 ahaha nice job and thanks
They didn't stall because this aircraft is capable of operating at that altitude in the conditions they were in. Air density decreases as altitude increases, so it would be less dense at FL510. Your maximum speed goes down as you climb because the speed of sound is lower at higher altitudes and the aircraft may go supersonic, which most are not designed to do.
WickedChess, I've been flying since 1976, have over 6000 hours as PIC in a Lear 31 and I couldn't disagree with you more. Although we rarely get the opportunity to fly at FL510, there's not much difference between that altitude and FL450 or FL410 for that matter... You need to study your POH...
Whatever dude....you're full of it...What do you know....LOL! I miss ya bro - Wish I was flying right beside you - 100ft or FL510 we should be clearing the ski's together. Hope all's well, your new FO is treating you well and knows' he's learning from the best. Take care my friend. J
There is no practical reason for cruising at FL510. It is however something that I highly recommend (at least once) because of the view... The AFM (Airplane Flight Manual) performance section contains a table that shows the maximum altitude allowed for a given aircraft weight and outside air temperature. As long as you stay within these limits, stall/mmo is not a problem. Temp decreases approx 2 deg C per 1000'. Mach increases with decrease in temp. Slow climb (100-200' per min) above FL490.
Well, I'm afraid that your friend is not exactly correct. F.A.R. 91.211 (Federal Aviation Regulations) require that above FL410 (41,000 feet) at least one crew member must be on supplemental oxygen. This is because of what is known as "time of useful consciousness". At such high altitudes, should you experience an explosive decompression, you only have a matter of seconds to don an oxygen mask before you become incapacitated.
I guess I quite didn't understand him fully. It makes sense since he always flies 41,000 ft or lower and he let me once wear the mask. He also said you have around 1 second to put it on if for say a window blew out. Highest he flew was FL490. There's a picture of his plane on flightaware N29WE thanks for the answer!
hey, iv just completed my ppl and am going to go on to hopefully complete my cpl. did you think it was hard to do or did you find it a breeze to complete? oh and very impressive vid mate thats soooooo awesome! hopefully be doing this one day!
Yes Sir! Actually, I've been flying the LJ 31 for over a decade so I've gone up there a handfull of times. We went to FL510 because I have a new First Officer and he had never been. When we landed in Tucson, I bought a pin for him... Thanks for the visit...
I can see that the IAS is of little if no use at certin altitudes. So can you get your correct speed from a GPS other than the Mach meter?
Skippy585 1 month ago
Next Step, Break Through The Atmosphere And Perform Some Outer Space Orbits! Nice Vid, And I Am Extremely Envious! :-)
wadesta1986 2 months ago
Great video. You kind of look like ducks, but I'm sure there's a darned good reason for it.
You are very priviledged to be flying that high. I'm jealous as hell. If you get more videos, please share.
baileyjean1000 2 months ago
-76 cº! LOL I'm freezing my ass off just to look at it!
fielderxei 3 months ago
Nice video. I have only been at 51,000 one time before in my CJ3. It took everything she had to get her that high but it was worth it.
dmimcg 3 months ago
This is a Learjet 31a.
lear31apilot 4 months ago
what aircraft?
louistheonion23 4 months ago
I'll be sure to take some new video of the view outside of the cockpit the next time we get to FL510. It's not very often that we have that opportunity so it may be a while!
lear31apilot 4 months ago
@lear31apilot why was it all empty? Did you guys get rid of everyone?!?!
leefuji 2 months ago
i wanna see the view outsyd!!!!! :D :D ;D
peter3f 4 months ago
Damn! -76 degrees celsius outside.
Transam941 4 months ago
wow nice vid, i would like to see more of the outside views!, i heard sky is black at fl510?
IronKing79 4 months ago
@engaurd
"safety nanny bullshit" is the reason aerial travel is safer than taking the bike
Croopskate 6 months ago
@sneekeejedi. I'm amazed that you have compared flight 3701 to what we did. At no time did we exceed ANY limitations on our aircraft. The climb was conducted during a 2:40 minute flight utilizing Learjet approved altitudes (step climbing) for the aircraft's current weight, rate of climb, airspeed/mach, and engine power settings. Your comment is truly insulting and shows your ignorance. They on the other hand exceeded many limitations and in the process flamed out both engines.
lear31apilot 7 months ago 7
@lear31apilot I don't mean any disrespect to you, and if you followed all the flight protocols then good on you. When I see a video of people bragging about being at such high altitudes its important to remember how dangerous it can be. Not everyone follows all the protocols like you did. Keep being safe.
sneekeejedi 6 months ago
Pilots of a CRJ-200 flight 3701 tried the same thingat FL410 on an empty flight and ended up seizing both engines. Luckily they only killed themselves, even though they crashed into a neighborhood. Listen to the cockpit voice recording of that sometime. It's great to have fun and all, but doing this stuff can be extremely dangerous.
sneekeejedi 7 months ago
@sneekeejedi "luckily they killed themselves" Not very nice you are you,
ebayaddict19 7 months ago
@ebayaddict19 I said "luckily they ONLY killed themselves", as in they didn't crash into someone's house who wasn't trying to earn bragging rights. It's sad that anyone had to die, but at least they didn't take innocent people with them.
sneekeejedi 6 months ago
Nice video, man. I must say I'm a bit jealous. I fly Lears as well (the 35 and the 60), but they don't get nearly as high as the 31 or the 40/45. I'd love to get a chance to get up to FL510.
BenGaut 7 months ago
Why O2 mask ? Not enought pressurisation ?
onecheman 8 months ago
@onecheman The pressurization works just fine at all altitudes. At 51,000', the cabin altitude is approximately 7,000'. The reason that we wear the Oxygen masks is that for private flights, the FAA requires that at least one crew member be on supplemental Oxygen at altitudes above 41,000'. If we were to experience an explosive decompression at those altitudes, the time of "useful" consciousness is very limited.
lear31apilot 8 months ago 9
@lear31apilot All day we can learn something new, thanks ;)
onecheman 8 months ago
Awesome video. Still building hours instructing to hopefully get in something that can actually fly that high :)
KINGDANIEL00000 10 months ago
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Bravo190Charlie 11 months ago
What a cool thought.....At that moment, whatever the population of Earth is, only a handful of humans were higher above the planet than you. Thanks for sharing the video.
85iceman 1 year ago 9
@85iceman Thank you very much for such a kind comment!
lear31apilot 1 year ago 4
-76 degrees Celsius! O_O
chatsalot94 1 year ago
JUST THINK OF ALL THE TRAFFIC BELOW YOU NO WORRIES.
maplemanz 1 year ago
I love the outside air temp. Reminds me of the days on the GLEX
Bsklarski 1 year ago
oh my god!!!
micheledc 1 year ago
What camera do you use?
danroll81 1 year ago
@danroll81, I used a Fujifilm Finepix 12.0 Megapixel compact camera. I wish there was someway that I could mount a high definition camera outside of the airplane. Some of the views that we have, particularly at high altitude, are worth sharing...
lear31apilot 1 year ago
nice
efast00 2 years ago
which is the mmo for the lear? 'cause i think it's about .80, but i'm not sure...
daspidrr 2 years ago
The MMO decreases with increases in Altitude;
VMO ........325 KIAS
MMO
up to 43,000 feet ..... 0.81
43,000 to 46,000 feet ...... 0.81 to 0.80
46,000 to 47,000 feet ...... 0.80 to 0.79
47,000 feet and above .... 0.79
lear31apilot 2 years ago
I know it decreases with altitude, I just meant at 51,000 ft
Thank you very much for your reply :)
daspidrr 2 years ago
why oxygen masks?? is the packs under maintainence?? sure.... 31A has a few problems about oxygen..
gustavo87467357 2 years ago
Under FAR Part 91, at least one pilot must wear an oxygen mask at altitudes above FL410. We are both wearing the masks just as a precaution. This was a repositioning flight with no passengers on board.
lear31apilot 2 years ago
aahhuunnnnn and flyin high for save more fuel=money as you were without passengers hun... or was flight level 510 in the airway you were flying through?? anyways nice video!!
gustavo87467357 2 years ago
well the 45 isnt "much" faster
KeepitontheDL420 2 years ago
interesting.. thats not bad at all saying you can get your private pilots liscense with only 40 hours of flight time logged then become an instructor which can allow me to fly more than once a day, so heres a question i love learjet 31's but why didnt you go after the learjet 45, a much faster, newer learjet design with longer range? did you already invest most of your flight hours in the 31 before the 45 was even available
KeepitontheDL420 2 years ago
hey man im training to become a pilot and am still in the little cessna's unfortunately, how many years did it take you to get a job behind a learjet 31a??
KeepitontheDL420 2 years ago
I had a little over 4300 hours total flight time when I started flying the Learjet 31a some 12+ years ago. I can't tell you how long it should take you however a reasonable figure would be well past 2500 hours to be a co-pilot. Some have gotten there quicker, others have taken much longer. It really depends on who you know and what they think about your ability to learn...
lear31apilot 2 years ago
@KeepitontheDL420 Like they've said before, it all depends on the person... and for example the Panamanian Airline COPA hires pilots that just has 250 hours, it all depends if you meet up to their standards... (you would be working as a co-pilot though).
jomatw91 1 year ago
TAS was 406 kts, temperature -76 degrees Celsius, FL510, VS 0 and HDG 264 ...
pp6811 2 years ago 2
Whats is like at FL510?
Ground Speed?
Engine Performance?
Learjet Type?
Sorry for all the question this is just amazing to me. A Learjet at 51,000 FT how much cooler do you get.
pilotsrbest 2 years ago
ya thats its maximum service ceiling
Direwolf56 2 years ago
so tight!
zseartcc25 2 years ago
Whats the ceiling of the Lear's?
hourbuilder 2 years ago
Space.
jmr604 2 years ago
jk.. it's 51,000ft.
jmr604 2 years ago
What was you speed, Why didnt you stall, maybe you can help me understand. i am a pilot trainee for the Canadian Air Force Training to fly the C-17 Globemaster III cargo plane. at FL510 the air is extremely dense you're speed must have been higher at lower altitude because as you climb you speed will go down; am i wrong. Unless, of course your VS was less than 500 Ft per minute. You also never showed you PFD, What degree was you nose at? i gotta try this, in the C-17 ahaha nice job and thanks
propilot1012 3 years ago
They didn't stall because this aircraft is capable of operating at that altitude in the conditions they were in. Air density decreases as altitude increases, so it would be less dense at FL510. Your maximum speed goes down as you climb because the speed of sound is lower at higher altitudes and the aircraft may go supersonic, which most are not designed to do.
Prometheus203 2 years ago
i fly lear and can tell you that FL510 is something you should only do for training..... just simply not smart going up there for any other reason
WickedChess 3 years ago
WickedChess, I've been flying since 1976, have over 6000 hours as PIC in a Lear 31 and I couldn't disagree with you more. Although we rarely get the opportunity to fly at FL510, there's not much difference between that altitude and FL450 or FL410 for that matter... You need to study your POH...
lear31apilot 3 years ago
ill try this with my lr45 on fsx!
yournameiswrong 3 years ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA
myrandomspaces 2 years ago
Wicked!
BA0084 3 years ago
what ISA deviation did you guys have? We needed like -10 or more to get up there in LR31A
oistein74 3 years ago
You're correct. If you look just above the altimeter, you'll see that the OAT is -76 which I believe is about ISA -12...
lear31apilot 3 years ago
cool. I miss flying Lears... pocket rockets ;P
oistein74 3 years ago
Whatever dude....you're full of it...What do you know....LOL! I miss ya bro - Wish I was flying right beside you - 100ft or FL510 we should be clearing the ski's together. Hope all's well, your new FO is treating you well and knows' he's learning from the best. Take care my friend. J
captainjgraham 3 years ago
How and why do you cruise at FL510?
At those altitudes your stall speed must be pretty close to your maximum mach number, is it really an efficient altitude to fly?
With full fuel and load can you maintain a decent climb rate to 51,000ft?
Also, does temperature increase with height at your altitude, your mach number would be effected wit temp?
Nice video, pretty scary stuff and a very alien altitude to fly, would like to try it if it was possible.
EinkOLED 3 years ago
There is no practical reason for cruising at FL510. It is however something that I highly recommend (at least once) because of the view... The AFM (Airplane Flight Manual) performance section contains a table that shows the maximum altitude allowed for a given aircraft weight and outside air temperature. As long as you stay within these limits, stall/mmo is not a problem. Temp decreases approx 2 deg C per 1000'. Mach increases with decrease in temp. Slow climb (100-200' per min) above FL490.
lear31apilot 3 years ago
You wore the oxygen mask just for fun right?
My friend flies a C680 and said you only use it during a depressurization.
FlyinFreek 3 years ago
Well, I'm afraid that your friend is not exactly correct. F.A.R. 91.211 (Federal Aviation Regulations) require that above FL410 (41,000 feet) at least one crew member must be on supplemental oxygen. This is because of what is known as "time of useful consciousness". At such high altitudes, should you experience an explosive decompression, you only have a matter of seconds to don an oxygen mask before you become incapacitated.
Thanks for your question.
lear31apilot 3 years ago
I guess I quite didn't understand him fully. It makes sense since he always flies 41,000 ft or lower and he let me once wear the mask. He also said you have around 1 second to put it on if for say a window blew out. Highest he flew was FL490. There's a picture of his plane on flightaware N29WE thanks for the answer!
FlyinFreek 3 years ago
@FlyinFreek - Did your friend fly the Citation X that got destroyed by the tornado?
umcrecservices 1 year ago
thats y me and my ol gulfstream 3 never leave fl 390
r0dnee 3 years ago
Aw, C'mon now, "Lear3Apilot"!! Tell the TRUTH!!
The TRUTH is tat you were NOT at FL510 as you claim. In reality, you were at FL350, and you FARTED!!
THAT'S why you are wearing the gas mask....... errr.... I mean the oxygen masks!!
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
The ALT says FL510...
audiracer85 2 years ago
yes really high,and then you become radioactive in a few weeks! ehe
alberto861 3 years ago
Really outstanding!!! Post more videos!!!
405ktas?
Thanks!
Pellegriniatibaia 3 years ago
hey, iv just completed my ppl and am going to go on to hopefully complete my cpl. did you think it was hard to do or did you find it a breeze to complete? oh and very impressive vid mate thats soooooo awesome! hopefully be doing this one day!
papaoscaroscar 3 years ago
Did you get your pin from Learjet?
rickythepilot 3 years ago
Yes Sir! Actually, I've been flying the LJ 31 for over a decade so I've gone up there a handfull of times. We went to FL510 because I have a new First Officer and he had never been. When we landed in Tucson, I bought a pin for him... Thanks for the visit...
lear31apilot 3 years ago
I always wanted to do it too. But my airline will bury me alive, if I even hick-up about something like that...
Andybucker 3 years ago
FL51O its really high!"!!!! AWESOME!!!
cmr17panama 4 years ago